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Russian pensioners will not go to Paris again: reflections on reform

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Imperceptibly, but with sufficient persistence in our media they begin to "disperse" a new topic. Now these are poor pensioners who are simply dying of hunger in Russia, on the one hand, and, probably, one of the few categories of Russian citizens to whom the state is constantly increasing payments, on the other hand. The topic is really fertile for a writer with any political orientation.


Why retirees will always "starve"


I think that we will not argue that retirement for any pensioner is accompanied by a real decrease in income. This is a given, the law of life, if you like, which no state in the world can change. The transformation of a citizen from a depositor into a consumer is always a serious blow to the state for the state. A new pensioner is another mouth on the neck of a working citizen.

Even in the ideal society that we all dream of, the pension should be approximately 70% of the income that a person previously received. Note that I did not name the amount of the pension. I did not name it simply because this amount is individual for each person. And it depends on many factors, ranging from the position and place of residence of the citizen and ending with the quantity and quality of property that he owns.

A pension of 20 thousand rubles somewhere in a village located "on the periphery" and the same pension in Moscow or another megalopolis of the country are completely different pensions. The same pension for a janitor, who, being an employee, received a little more wages, say, 22 thousand rubles, and for the People's Artist of the Moscow theater is perceived differently.

Hence, any pension will always be small for a person, "a mockery of a person", if you like. And the state cannot do anything about it at this stage. In order to fill someone's pocket, you need to take some of the funds from another pocket.

What to expect for pensioners in the current situation


Of course, ideally it would be great if the system that we have heard about for many years now works. The system of funded pensions. The state old-age pension plus a funded pension from some kind of pension fund will add up exactly the funds that a citizen received as an employee. Or reduce the gap between pensions and wages that exists today.

Today, young pensioners simply do not have funded pensions. For one simple reason: when this system was introduced, they simply could not save something in a private pension fund due to their rather serious age. This was discussed even when the system was introduced. Even the age of future retirees was clearly indicated.

Thus, it is not worth waiting for a miracle from the Russian government in the form of a sharp increase in pensions for all categories of citizens in the coming years (and there is not much time left before the start of the funded pension payment system).

Miracles are the prerogative of God, not the government. Pensioners will receive a pension in accordance with the adopted amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And the lower limit of the amount of a particular person's pension will be the cost of living in the region of residence. Therefore, our pensioners will not go to Paris for a cup of coffee on the Champs-Elysees again ...

Something specific


A draft of the main characteristics of the budget of the Pension Fund of Russia for 2021 and for the planning period: 2022-2023 appeared in the media. The project was drawn up on the basis of a mid-term forecast of the socio-economic development of the Russian Federation according to the basic version of the Ministry of Economic Development. It was this project that was sent to the government of the Russian Federation as the main document.

What specific data are given there? We are so used to "percent" and "times" that specific numbers are really perceived as unusual. Therefore, it is worth voicing them again.

So, let's start with the old-age pensions that are offered in the project for the coming years. To clarify, this is not yet an official document, but only a draft budget of the PF RF. Therefore, it is too early to speak of numbers as a fact. We will assume that these are possible indicators that the Pension Fund in its current state will pull in the next year and in the next three years, respectively.

The Pension Fund of the Russian Federation proposes to index old-age pensions next year by 5,7%, which in monetary terms corresponds to 17.432 rubles. Few? I agree, not enough. But let's add the second number here: the pensioner's subsistence minimum. Naturally, again predictable. 9.498 rubles. And what happens? Pensioners are not on the brink of survival, but they will receive the very same percentage of real wages.

Yes, pensioners will not be able to live on that kind of money. And in Paris, as already mentioned, they will not be able to go on an excursion. But we will not talk about survival and nutrition from the nearest garbage dumps with such a pension either. Pensioners will be able to really live, if, of course, the state retains benefits for medicines, medical and sanatorium services, and utilities. In short, pensions and benefits will really seriously help the elderly live if the state will provide these two social factors.

By the way, according to the project, this trend will continue in the coming years. In 2022, the average pension is said to reach 18357 rubles (an increase of 5,3%), with a living wage of 9840 rubles. And in 2023, the numbers will increase even more. 19283 rubles at a minimum of 10193 rubles. That is, the Pension Fund intends to keep pensions at about twice the cost of living.

The same approach holds for social pensions. True, the numbers here are not so impressive. The state again proceeds from the subsistence level. So I will give the numbers against the background of this particular indicator. So, 2021 - 10044 rubles (the cost of living is 9498 rubles). 2022 - 10338 rubles (PM - 9840 rubles). 2023 - 10697 rubles (PM - 10193 rubles).

Instead of a conclusion


Issues related to pensions concern all of us in one way or another. Most of the citizens of our country are anxiously awaiting the moment when they have to become a pensioner. They are waiting anxiously simply because all the previous years of our country's existence have taught people not to believe in the "good heart" of the state and government. The pension is perceived as not a very happy transition from a citizen necessary for the country into ballast, which this state does not need.

Alas, in many ways these fears are true. Today's pensioners remember the pensioners of the USSR, their parents. They remember, sometimes idealizing that time, but remember as a time when a pensioner lived not richly, but with dignity. When a grandmother's arrival from another city to see her grandson or granddaughter was perceived as quite ordinary.

It seems to me that the situation will not change in the coming years, until the appearance of the first pensioners with savings in private pension funds. The government will support pensioners at the minimum that gives at least some guarantee of survival. The state does not have enough strength for more.

For those pensioners who are still able to work, conditions will be created for returning to work. Not for the positions that they held before retirement, but for low-paid jobs that young people do not go to, which do not require any special skills, such as guards, concierges or watchmen.

The rescue of the drowning is the business of the drowning themselves. A relevant slogan not only today, but also tomorrow. Dear average pensioners, we will not go to Paris again this year. How did you not go in the past, the year before last and all previous years ...
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 23 July 2020 15: 29 New
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    The constitution stipulates the obligation of children to help their parents .. So, probably, this is not the last increase in the retirement age.

    The government will support pensioners at the minimum that gives at least some guarantee of survival. The state does not have enough strength for more.


    Furgal reduced the salary and expenses of his apparatus and saved 1 billion ... and how much can you save throughout Russia? If you try and want to, then you have enough strength for everything. But they have different goals ..
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 23 July 2020 15: 36 New
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      In this state, with this SYSTEM, working people are not spoiled by the care of the state, a pensioner from that working people, in general at that stage ..... normal words cannot be found, some expressions climb.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 July 2020 15: 56 New
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        Dear average pensioners, we will not go to Paris again this year. How did you not go in the past, the year before last and all previous years ...

        "See Paris and Die?" Why do I need it? stop
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta 23 July 2020 15: 57 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        In this state, with this SYSTEM, working people are not spoiled by the care of the state, a pensioner from that working people, in general at that stage ..... normal words cannot be found, some expressions climb.

        Ndaaa, not spoiled by concern ... Our "beautiful" state generally wants to get rid of the category of citizens called "pensioners". This state does not need such a burden.
        This education, which we mistakenly call the state, generally wants to get rid of any social obligations, but in turn, citizens must pay always, everywhere and for everything from the moment of birth to death, and sometimes even after it.
        And in this sense, I constantly ask myself the same question, what the hell do I need such an erroneous state ?!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 July 2020 16: 05 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          And in this sense, I constantly ask myself the same question, what the hell do I need such an erroneous state ?!

          Even the Nobel laureates asked a similar question .. but the situation is changing and I expect that statesmen who think about their people will still come to power during my lifetime .. although the people are patient .. but not so much ..
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 23 July 2020 16: 19 New
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            with a living wage of 9840 rubles.
            The author of this living wage would try to live on it!
            1. Malyuta
              Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 25 New
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              Quote: Uncle Lee
              The author of this living wage would try to live on it!

              I would like all officials and deputies to live with the author with this money until the end of their days, together with the president.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 23 July 2020 16: 56 New
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                I would like all officials and deputies to live with the author with this money until the end of their days, together with the president.
                well you are a "villain" wink I agree if the president lives on seven salaries of the subsistence level.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 23 July 2020 17: 11 New
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                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Well, you "villain" agree if the president will live on seven salaries from the living wage.

                  Look at how much the president costs us .. Whole cities can be supported ..
                  1. Pereira
                    Pereira 23 July 2020 19: 15 New
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                    Judging by the figures, Khabarovsk is superfluous in the list of recipients of money. And Irkutsk and Vladivostok. Why, everything except the administration is superfluous.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 23 July 2020 19: 36 New
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                      Quote: Pereira
                      Judging by the figures, Khabarovsk is superfluous in the list of recipients of money. And Irkutsk and Vladivostok. Why, everything except the administration is superfluous.

                      Yes, in general, a paradox .. one person costs like a whole city, but there is zero benefit ..
                      1. Pereira
                        Pereira 23 July 2020 19: 40 New
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                        But there is also a Nanomer. He also loves to eat. And not macaroons.
                        Here someone Vadim asked below where to get the money ...
                      2. Lexus
                        Lexus 23 July 2020 23: 10 New
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                        But there is also a Nanomer.

                        It is in one of the palaces every morning, and not only are the guards looking for, but also firefighters and the police are connected. Otherwise, it will fall asleep somewhere in the crack and overgrow with cobwebs. And the whole marked "straight flush" will collapse because of the "six".
                    2. Lexus
                      Lexus 23 July 2020 22: 55 New
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                      Yes, in general, a paradox .. one person costs like a whole city, but there is zero benefit ..

                      hi There, if all the "equity holders" of only one cooperative "Lake" are at the subsistence level, or better simply, to plant, then you can more than scrape together for the second and third budgets of the entire country without straining. And if all the thieving officials and "affiliated" (smeared and greedy) "businessmen and businesswomen" are jittery, then there will be enough for the fifth and sixth. And convincingly to break out of the company of Mexico with the Netherlands, not by the shameful equivalent of PPP, but in absolute numbers. Considering the volumes of pumped out and exported - to the region of France-Germany.
                    3. Roman123567
                      Roman123567 24 July 2020 11: 14 New
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                      and zero benefit.

                      If so, it's not so bad ..
                      But instead of good or zero, we also have no small harm ...
            2. ancient
              ancient 23 July 2020 17: 15 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              I would like

              And I ..... "kill" (figuratively) this .. "aftor".
              You need to write this ... belay "one of the few categories of citizens of the Russian Federation to whom the state is constantly increasing payments"
              And what "? The value is increasing", thanks to these "increases" in the pensioner? Amount of his INCOME, or the ability to eat NORMALLY?
              Preferential medicines ... "you can't say without a mat" .... am.. what are the .... discount vouchers ...? belay (not some nerves are not enough to get it, but when you arrive ... it is better to shoot right away ...). !!!
              Benefits for housing and communal services ... yes, I receive compensation 9 as a veteran of labor, military service, BD) ... in the amount of 1900 rubles in the summer ... in the winter about 2,2-2,5 (depending on how .. " I am heated ") ... that for one water. I use some water (Arkhyz-natural mountain) - 2,5 per month with delivery. Well, besides that I pay for water supply and sewerage ... at" crazy prices "... for water .... which is only for watering, or for washing dishes. if only with soda and mustard. "
              In general .... "killed" the author's mood .. completely .... "cosmonaut ........ enov" wassat
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 23 July 2020 17: 59 New
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                This is how you will find a source of additional 7 trillion rubles in the Pension Fund for raising the minimum pension in Russia to 25000 rubles a month each subsequent year - then there will be a conversation, but for now there is no such free money and there is no court.
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 23 July 2020 19: 19 New
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                  I would find it. But who will allow me without a Mauser and a mandate?
                  1. ancient
                    ancient 23 July 2020 19: 46 New
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                    Quote: Pereira
                    I would find it. But who will allow me without a Mauser and a mandate?

                    You can easily "find" without a Mauser with a mandate ... to get what you find ... yes ....... wassat
                    And so .. open and "enjoy" lol
                    1. Pereira
                      Pereira 23 July 2020 21: 12 New
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                      That's all right. Therefore, we need a Mauser with a mandate.
                      The mandate to go through the security, and the Mauser to ask - where, my dear, are you hiding what you stole?
                      Key names are on everyone's lips. And there is also a second echelon - camouflaged.
                      And it's interesting with the colonels. Some apartments are cleaner than Ali Baba's caves.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 23 July 2020 23: 43 New
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                    If you didn't find it, you need to sell products by 50% more than all of Russia is selling now, so that taxes are constantly collected every year for 7 trillion - and one-time receipts will not solve the problem, the money will run out and hello.
                    1. Roman123567
                      Roman123567 24 July 2020 11: 25 New
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                      %)
                      If you didn't find it, you need to sell products 50% more than now all of Russia



                      The share of the richest Russians, who own virtually all financial assets and cash savings in Russia, is only 3 percent of the population. This is the conclusion reached by analysts of the Higher School of Economics and the Institute for Research and Expertise of Vnesheconombank, having conducted a number of studies of inequality in the Russian Federation, writes the Kommersant newspaper on Friday, April 12. Economists state that over five years, the share of all financial assets in the country belonging to the richest citizens of Russia increased by 5 percentage points: if in 2013 it was 84,3%, then by 2018 it increased to 89,3%. A similar indicator for cash savings increased over the same time by 11 percentage points - from 78% to 89%. As of May 2018, the richest Russians owned 92 percent of all time deposits in the country (compared to 2013 in 92,2). While the savings in cash and securities of the richest 3 percent of citizens were growing, their real incomes, and also debt and deposits decreased.



                      I translate:
                      1% of the population own 3% of all funds.
                      2. The entire population (97%) now lives on the remaining 10% of their funds.
                      3. If everyone lived on 100% of their means - the difference is TEN times !!

                      As they say - cabbage soup and mat .. The source of funding is found ..
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 24 July 2020 17: 06 New
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                      "Kommersant" - Moreover, that source of truthful information 3% own 90% of all funds - the general fortune of all our billionaires, taking into account the market value of movable and immovable property, 450 billion dollars, and only 10% of this amount is cash. In Russia, the total turnover for the year in the ruble equivalent of 280 trillion is something that is 3 trillion rubles that all billionaires have and 277 trillion that are circulating in a year for 147 million people - "3% of the population own 90% of all funds .." its sources, sucked out of your finger, as always, and your empty head as you peck at all sorts of ducks for fools.
              2. Malyuta
                Malyuta 23 July 2020 22: 51 New
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                Quote: Vadim237
                This is how you will find a source of additional 7 trillion rubles in the Pension Fund for raising the minimum pension in Russia to 25000 rubles a month each subsequent year - then there will be a conversation, but for now there is no such free money and there is no court.

                I am very sorry, but there is a lot of money in the country, just not for pensioners and not for citizens.

                Above, Svarog laid out what it costs us to maintain only one president, not counting the thoughts of various and other parasites, we just need to reduce the content by three or four times.
                Well, of course, shake the president's friends and there will be enough money for everyone and everything.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 24 July 2020 00: 03 New
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                  We allocate 1,5 trillion for the maintenance of the entire bureaucratic apparatus every year - if you want to remove all the officials, who will then work, and even these 1,5 trillion will not do much good in this regard, and as for the net profit of billionaires, it goes not only in the pocket of a billionaire and for the payment of dividends to hundreds of thousands of shareholders, the development of production and much more, in the end, there will be 20-30 billion rubles from the snout, and even then it will hardly make it, at best, 4 trillion from all of them all the remaining three where to get it? And this money needs to be collected every year, that is, the NWF will have to be increased several times so that every year 14 trillion is paid to pensioners in the event of an economic crisis or a decline in production or other events like the current pandemic, but in addition to small pensions, Russia has other problems that are also needed big money depreciation of all fixed assets 46% this is 89 trillion rubles defense industry social security education science industry tens of trillions are needed for all this - alas, Russia does not have that kind of money, even if you dispossess all the rich - but this is a one-time measure and income is needed constantly, alas, this will be possible only when Russia's GDP increases by 250 - 300% in the next 30 years, there will definitely not be such growth and money out of thin air for all pensioners to make a minimum wage of 25000 will also not appear. Therefore, we live within our means in all directions.
            3. Aag
              Aag 23 July 2020 20: 05 New
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              Quote: ancient
              Quote: Malyuta
              I would like

              And I ..... "kill" (figuratively) this .. "aftor".
              You need to write this ... belay "one of the few categories of citizens of the Russian Federation to whom the state is constantly increasing payments"
              And what "? The value is increasing", thanks to these "increases" in the pensioner? Amount of his INCOME, or the ability to eat NORMALLY?
              Preferential medicines ... "you can't say without a mat" .... am.. what are the .... discount vouchers ...? belay (not some nerves are not enough to get it, but when you arrive ... it is better to shoot right away ...). !!!
              Benefits for housing and communal services ... yes, I receive compensation 9 as a veteran of labor, military service, BD) ... in the amount of 1900 rubles in the summer ... in the winter about 2,2-2,5 (depending on how .. " I am heated ") ... that for one water. I use some water (Arkhyz-natural mountain) - 2,5 per month with delivery. Well, besides that I pay for water supply and sewerage ... at" crazy prices "... for water .... which is only for watering, or for washing dishes. if only with soda and mustard. "
              In general .... "killed" the author's mood .. completely .... "cosmonaut ........ enov" wassat

              Strange, the profile site did not touch upon the topic of MO pensioners.
              There is a letter from the Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee V.A. Shamanov to the Minister of Defense S.K. Shoigu dated 08.07.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX I don’t know how to download a PDF file ((... repeat
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 23 July 2020 17: 34 New
            +9
            I think they spend such an amount on their beloved cat, or there a dog, and hardly a month.
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 24 July 2020 06: 02 New
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          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Would try the author

          6 people, apparently, tried ... Judging by the cons. So how is it ?
      3. Malyuta
        Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 27 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        but the situation is changing and I expect that statesmen who think about their people will still come to power during my lifetime .. though the people are patient .. but not so much ..

        I apologize a lot, Colleague, but now Putinophil's urrya-skakuas will come and tell you about the stability, and then they will ask a question, what do you suggest?
        In short, do not rock the galley and do not loosen the braces.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 July 2020 16: 30 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          In short, do not rock the galley and do not loosen the braces.

          When I think what I will do and how to survive after 50 .. I want to rock the galley and send the rower by swimming to the shore ..
          The future is really scary ...
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 39 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            When I think what I will do and how to survive after 50 ..

            And after me ...
            Quote: Svarog
            I want to rock the galley and send the rower by swimming to the shore ..

            And I have an irresistible desire, a stone on his neck and overboard!
          2. saigon
            saigon 24 July 2020 06: 21 New
            +3
            Well, get used to it, perhaps.
            55 years old disability pension and work can only be found for 20 thousand chaf per month.
            But the group and the occupational disease in the place already excuse me, move over.
        2. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 23 July 2020 16: 47 New
          -10
          In other words, all those who ask uncomfortable questions at once are the very skakuasses, and what is very convenient and you do not need to answer - yourself ...
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 50 New
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            Quote: Nikolay73
            In other words, all those who ask uncomfortable questions at once are the very skakuasses, and what is very convenient and you do not need to answer - yourself ...

            You ask uncomfortable questions to Putin and he will answer you about 25 million jobs and that under his presidency there will be no increase in pensions.
            Although you and him canceled the promises together, now you can promise again, but by 2030 to catch up with Portugal, only pensioners will die out to hell by that time.
            1. Nikolay73
              Nikolay73 23 July 2020 16: 54 New
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              What are the habits of arrows to translate to others? If I want to ask Putin, I will contact the hotline. What to do and when, I will decide without you. You have said enough in your answer.
        3. ancient
          ancient 23 July 2020 17: 45 New
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          Quote: Malyuta
          Colleague, but now Putinophil's urrya-skakuas will come and tell you about the stability,

          Well .. they can "say" anything ... that they still have to do, but in fact ... I read our Rostov news about ... another "achievement" - In the Rostov region, the cost of the minimum set of products increased by 2,9% compared to the indicator at the beginning of the year.
          Well, what comes up ... there is 3% + housing and communal services 4% + everyone and everyone, but ... the author then "broadcasts" to us ... that .. "how good ... we live" wassat
          I read further ... the composition of the basket:
          1.9 kilograms of bread,
          2 kilograms of potatoes,
          3 kilograms of fruit,
          4 kilograms of vegetables,
          5 kilograms of meat,
          6 kilograms of oil,
          7 kilograms of fish,
          8 kilograms of dairy products
          9 eggs.
          In theory ... you can live (though all the macaroons and cereals for some reason excluded vegetable oil) well, it's okay all the same for ... 1 person.
          But then ...... the price is announced ..... this "basket" ... attention .....- total 4 167,68 rubles. belay belay
          Okay, that for me ... the man was cut off the meat ration by 50% (but after all, meat has a tendency to boil and fry and has bones0, and what does not have ... has a price of 400 rubles kg. (I.e. 2000 already we have 0.
          Fish ... in the sense of a fish? Goby and sillyavka or hamsa 9 sprat) the same fish.
          I prefer Sulu (pike perch), Carp, and Silver Carp ... the price varies from 150 to 350 depending on the weight and quality (rates of seafood) (i.e. on average ... 3000 we already have).
          I buy cottage cheese 1,5 kg-150 rubles (homemade, whole) on the market this "starts" from 300 rubles (and then .. half .. badyaga).
          And here with delivery .. (we take it every 3 days) ......
          In general, I will not continue further, and so it is clear ...
          That's for sure ... take the author for one place and shove with these 4 167,68 ... together with his "inhabitants of heaven" and make ... live ... in reality ...
          am
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 23 July 2020 22: 57 New
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            Quote: ancient
            1.9 kilograms of bread,

            In tsarist times, the peasant's diet was 6 pounds of bread per year, that is, 7,8 kg per month, peasants ate more bread per month in tsarist Russia than in Putin's RF.
            1. ancient
              ancient 24 July 2020 10: 55 New
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              Quote: Malyuta
              In tsarist times, the peasant ration was 6 pounds of bread per year

              So it was real bread from real grain, and not ........ for us am
              And normal bread (high quality, without yeast) starts to cost from 100 per (brick, round).
              We have appeared as a second and a private bakery .. so they bake bread only from rye flour ... the products fly off and the price is very acceptable - loaf 2r, round-40.
              They get out of the stove somewhere at 10.30 .. they start at 11.00 to 13.00 ... only empty shelves.
              When I still used bread, it used to be left in the bread bin for 10 days ... practically as soon as you bought it. wink
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 24 July 2020 11: 48 New
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                Quote: ancient
                When I still used bread, it used to be left in the bread bin for 10 days ... practically as soon as you bought it.

                You are right, now there is no bread on sale, but there is some kind of trash, it is not clear from what! Mold appears 5-6 hours after purchase.
                Glory to Ebnoputinism, heroes of labor - glory!
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 July 2020 16: 53 New
        +9
        statesmen who think about their people
        Gold words! Not a fight between fans of socialism and kleptocracy. And for a strong Russia, for meritocracy.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 23 July 2020 17: 53 New
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      The authorities, too, in childhood Efremov read "The Hour of the Bull" ... If you are 60 years old, come to the Palace of Tender Death ... And no expenses for your pensions .. You can put everything in your pocket .. Especially since the type of elite -that just lives as long as he can. By the way - and you can save on medicine - why treat them if you die anyway at 60? Yeah, but then we thought it was fantastic ..
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 July 2020 18: 08 New
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        Come at 60 to the Palace of Tender Death.
        I'm certainly far from Efremov, but ... https: //proza.ru/2018/06/20/518
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 23 July 2020 20: 42 New
      +1
      There are not so many countries in the world where pensioners are blessed by the state.
      The Soviet government acted in its own way, everything seemed to be in equal conditions, but there were imbalances too.
      What do we have now .... without a fundamental change in the system, it is naive to wait for changes.
      Therefore, all indignations are futile, only the unification of all working people, for the sake of a worthy idea, can at least change something.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 23 July 2020 16: 14 New
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    Of course, Furgal is great) at the same time Amurstal sold himself on the way for a penny, but is this garbage true?) In two years, the region increased its debts by a much larger amount, but this is also trifles?) what you called economy is just populism for those who loved to listen to it)
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 July 2020 16: 20 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      of course Furgal is great)

      I'm not going to defend or blame Furgal. Let the court do it. But his initiatives, which he confirmed not only in words, but also in deeds, are very correct and necessary. The gap between income and spending on the bureaucratic apparatus is colossal, as is the number of bureaucrats .. There is where to look for funds, right? And this is only a small part of where you can save .. And how much can the state get from the nationalization of the oil and gas sector? Alcohol? You are aware that about a trillion dollars have been withdrawn from Russia during Putin's rule .. Can you imagine what kind of money this is? And what prevents a true patriot from doing the above? Only friends are oligarchs, whose interests he defends.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 23 July 2020 16: 26 New
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        I, too, will not show you how he does this economy and at the expense of what. the sources are open and everything is easy to check for yourself. if everyone in the country does so, you will be the first to blow. I repeat, this is just a show-off on the camera. instead of whom you appointed you want to say what did you do today? dressed the whole city in masks totally. another clown
        1. depressant
          depressant 23 July 2020 19: 20 New
          10
          There, above, as always, our beloved entrepreneur Vadim 237 is crying. Like, as you find a source of additional 7 trillion rubles annually, this will be happiness for pensioners. Well, not 7 trillion, but I did find something. And already last year, as she reported, but passed by everyone's eyes, and since July 1 of this year, it has come on all of us with a very tangible reality.

          From an article by Sergei Beginin, Russian Monitor:
          "In 2015, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev instructed to create a Unified National Product Labeling System to Combat Counterfeit. The Center for the Development of Advanced Technologies (CRPT), which belongs to the structures of USM Holdings shareholder Alisher, was selected as the operator of the system without any transparent procedure or tender. Usmanov, Rostec State Corporation and Aleksandr Galitsky, Managing Partner of Almaz Capital Partners. The center is developing the system and its implementation. The system should be widely implemented by 2024, but since 2016, fur products are subject to mandatory labeling, since 2017 medicines are labeled (so far The marking will cover a significant (possibly large) part of the Russian market in 2019. The principle of the system is as follows: each unit of goods is marked with a unique code, and then the system records data on the movements of this unit, including its retail sale. Data is processed in a single information system. "

          At first, such tracking should have cost at least 50 kopecks from each barcode, now it's 60 kopecks and with the prospect of further growth. But even with a tax of half of 50 kopecks, the incomes of the Usmanov CRPT will be colossal. So, according to RBC, if only tobacco products were subject to labeling in 2017, then Usmanov would have earned 6,25 billion rubles only on cigarettes.
          Thus, the oligarch Usmanov, together with the oligarch Galitsky and Rostec, receive an essentially inherited patent for collecting tribute from the population of Russia. Most manufacturers will have to pay 50 kopecks from each unit of production for a sticker, which means they will include them in the price of the goods, therefore, a minimum of 50 kopecks will be charged from all of us. But a sticker with a barcode must be ... glued! To do this, the manufacturer of the goods needs to spend money on equipment, and it is not cheap, which means that the introduction of a barcode will not only enrich Usmanov, it will impoverish us. Billions spent on equipment and personnel training will be taken out of our pockets by manufacturers, which means that labeling will provoke an avalanche-like increase in prices for socially important essential goods and food.

          “The unscrupulous PR specialists of the labeling project insist on the fact,” says Sergey Beginin, “that, they say, in Europe they have long been using product labeling to control the quality of goods. However, the Europeans have a priority goal for food safety, because they focus on food products. in Russia, the emphasis is more on product groups with a high rate of illegal turnover, from which, first of all, large companies incur losses. "
          But be that as it may, I repeat: from 25 to 50 kopecks and more from each of our purchases, oligarch Alisher Usmanov, as well as Rostec and the oligarch from IT-technologies Alexander Galitsky, will receive as a beneficiary.
          Having invested 15 billion rubles over 205,7 years, Usmanov and Co. will receive the eternal right to collect the marking "tax", in fact, "tribute" from all Russians.
          Such is Putin's tender concern for his friends.
          But then where is Putin's creativity to show such tender concern for pensioners? I believe it is not and will not be, but there will be eternal groans of "no money, but you hold on" as a stable state of our power. The money from the labeling will not go to pensioners (but they could), but for this, the labeling system had to be made state-owned. As already mentioned here alcohol production. But this is by no means, because this is socialism.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 July 2020 00: 25 New
            -8
            Something I did not find specifics in your answer - due to which you will find an additional 7 trillion rubles of constant tax receipts in the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation in order to increase the pension to 25000 per month. What a mess about product labeling. How many goods do you buy per year 1000 - 2000 - 3000, let's say 3000 of all the names of goods, 80 percent of the products, we multiply all these goods by 50 kopecks for the new labeling and by 147 million people - we get 220500000000 billion rubles per year - the sum of 7 trillion rubles here I didn't even stand nearby. But it is necessary to fight against counterfeit as an example of some left-hand auto parts in our market from 40 to 50% by oil is the same.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 24 July 2020 06: 45 New
              -9
              Quote: Vadim237
              Something I did not find specifics in your answer - due to which you will find an additional 7 trillion rubles of constant tax receipts to the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation

              Do you want to re-educate the sect of emo-communists and force them to reason with their heads? Naively .... For all your arguments, they have one answer - Putinaftopku. sad
            2. depressant
              depressant 24 July 2020 10: 58 New
              0
              Vadim, in the comment below I showed that even one person can have an amount of more than 228 trillion rubles. And the colleague Hagen, who answered you, called me an emo communist. I'm not standing nearby!
              I take a realistic position, according to which in Maslow's pyramid, as one moves up, the needs increase non-linearly. However, everyone prefers to focus on the fact that spiritual needs increase nonlinearly: the homeless person does not read books, but the entrepreneur Vadim reads! And I say differently: a homeless person, by definition, does not dream of opening an enterprise, and entrepreneur Vadim not only dreams, but does. To reach the next rung of the pyramid, I emphasize this, material needs. But at the same time, Vadim and those who are on the steps above forget that under all of them there is the foundation of a pyramid in the form of a layer of the poor, which independently, due to genetic data, is not able to engage in entrepreneurship, but ultimately is the consumer of most of the products that they produce. higher layers of the pyramid of needs. And if the foundation collapses, then the pyramid will sag, all its layers will become impoverished.
              But this is if the pyramid is an independent structure, and not built at the expense of layers higher than its own rolling pitch, but resting on someone else's, foreign rolling pitch, which expands the support and makes the foundation for our upper ones more stable. That is why Putin is constantly striving to attract as many foreign investors as possible. Someone else's pyramids, realizing that by this he, as it were, albeit in part, appropriates their own foundations, they, other people's pyramids, impose sanctions against ours. As if to say "Our foundation is our rolling need, not yours!" But instead of strengthening his own foundation, that is, feeding his own rolling pitch, Putin says "Well, if that's the case, then ..." and begins to actively rely again on someone else's foundation, but of a lower quality - on conventional Tajiks ... Those who work here, but sending the main part of their earnings to the conditional Tajikistan, thereby at the very least strengthen its foundation - the lower step of the pyramid, and the conditional Tajikistan does not fall apart for this reason. And at this time in our pyramid at the expense of the tajiks the upper layers are strengthened, but the foundation is gradually collapsing and becomes unusable due to the poverty of the population. This situation cannot last long. And no black hundred Ramzan Kadyrov will keep the pyramid from destruction. Or maybe it was intended that way. I don’t need this!
              Is it accessible?
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 24 July 2020 17: 15 New
                -3
                Keyword May have - but in fact it does not and no one in the world has, there are no multi-trillion dollar dollars yet, they may appear in 40-50 years. And how does the above relate to the real permanent source of 7 trillion rubles for the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation per year to increase the minimum pension in Russia to 25000 rubles?
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 26 July 2020 04: 49 New
                +2
                ..... pyramid ..... built at the expense of higher layers, but relies on someone else's ......
                good morning, Lyudmila! hi I really liked the explanation about the pyramid. As wonderful as the upper part is, the pyramid will collapse if the base is not strengthened. In the context of rising oil prices, the inflow of $$$$$ increased. Therefore, investors were calm about the return on their investment. With a fall in oil prices --- the inflow of $$ into the Russian economy decreases, the dollar debt increases ..... accordingly, investors see it without glasses even. Moreover, from our side it is also known. (Sarcasm am ) there is a suspicion that appeals - spells for investors - are about nothing. Investments in rubles are not possible.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 23 July 2020 17: 58 New
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        They say that Stenka Razin, before being executed in the square, asked the people for forgiveness for his deeds: "Forgive me, Russian people! Forgive not for hanging the boyars - forgiving for not hanging them enough."
    2. Aag
      Aag 23 July 2020 18: 57 New
      0
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Of course, Furgal is great) at the same time Amurstal sold himself on the way for a penny, but is this garbage true?) In two years, the region increased its debts by a much larger amount, but this is also trifles?) what you called economy is just populism for those who loved to listen to it)

      They do it this way: https: //www.facebook.com/100008648178257/posts/2422403634724552/? Sfnsn = scwspwa & extid = bkBeBHOGR2HDWkYe
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 23 July 2020 17: 16 New
    +9
    Quote: Svarog
    The constitution stipulates the obligation of children to help their parents .. So, probably, this is not the last increase in the retirement age.

    So it is likely that they will soon do - let the children support their disabled parents.
    Quote: Svarog
    Furgal reduced the salary and expenses of his device and saved $ 1 billion

    So this ... I encroached on something sacred. And he also demanded that officials pass tests for aptitude, and he forced the roads to be done not as "necessary", but as it should be ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 23 July 2020 18: 09 New
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      Hmm ... And in Russia it turns out that pensioners are taken care of ... Yes, and they take care of the people, too ...
  • Snarkxnumx
    Snarkxnumx 23 July 2020 18: 13 New
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    "Furgal reduced the salary and expenses of his apparatus and saved 1 billion ... and how much throughout Russia?"
    The government wrote off the debt to Sber-Bank of more than 150 billion rubles, with the bank's profit under a trillion. And you mean one billion ... Bolivar (People of Russia). Can't stand it ...
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 July 2020 19: 52 New
      10
      Quote: Snark1876
      The government wrote off the debt to Sber-Bank of more than 150 billion rubles, with the bank's profit under a trillion.

  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 23 July 2020 18: 22 New
    -16
    Quote: Svarog
    If you try and want to, then you have enough strength for everything. But they have different goals ..

    Sorry, sorry! Let me ask you, did Russian pensioners go to Paris under socialism ...? Perhaps only on a tank! fellow oh ... The children went ... but I can't get there ... I'd rather go to the Crimea, near Sevastopol to the Grand Canyon!
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 24 July 2020 08: 49 New
      +1
      I wonder what the cons ... What, someone during the USSR went to Paris as a tourist ...? Or adults, normal children now in Paris cannot eat .... Yes, I am a pensioner and, apart from being in my small homeland in Sevastopol and the Crimea, I can hardly afford a vacation for a number of reasons ... First of all, health! And all of you are minus players of good health, common sense, wink success in b.p. and p. p. soldier Good luck to you !
      1. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 24 July 2020 13: 57 New
        +3
        Children of different diplomats may have gone, but pensioners will not. And now pensioners will not go. If they are not retired officials! That is, often the very same children of diplomats and leaders, communists and party workers of the Soviet era, only matured and old!
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 24 July 2020 15: 11 New
          0
          Of course we did ... Athletes, artists, dip. body, all sorts of different bargaining. representations, party leaders at the invitation of the Communist Party of France ... At work, their business, the exchange of delegations, for competitions ... Life was like that then ... An ordinary person could get abroad only "on a tank". Now everyone lives in different ways .. Good or bad, but in different ways .. Someone can go to Paris, someone not .. A trip to France is no longer a problem .. The problem is money.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 23 July 2020 19: 14 New
    +1
    Yes, it would not hurt to shock the officials with their "salaries" that does not fall under any logical explanation. But that's not all. All the same, the filling of PF comes from enterprises. And a big part. Only an increase in labor productivity will give a significant increase in income to the PF. But just with the increase in labor productivity, we, as always, are not so hot. And it is not the worker-worker who is to blame for this, but just the ENGINEERS and MANAGERS. It is they who do not work on that, and this is their main purpose, so that the worker can do more per unit of time.
    And labor productivity is affected by:
    1. Organization of production.
    2. Organization of labor (workplace of the worker)
    3. Using the best tool
    4. Application of the best material
    5. TECHNOLOGIES!
    These are the issues that should be the focus of the entire leadership team ANY HOURLY.
    1. depressant
      depressant 24 July 2020 00: 14 New
      +6
      And here is the source of tax funds, allowing for many years to pay good pensions to all pensioners in a row. I am giving the exact address.

      630091
      Novosibirsk region, Novosibirsk,
      St. Gogol, house 7, apt. 13.
      LLC PIK "Charter of Safety".
      Leader - Pavel Eduardovich Levutin.
      Number of employees - 1.
      The status is a micro-enterprise.
      Activity - ensuring the efficient functioning of financial markets

      Charter capital
      228 rubles.
      (over 228 trillion rubles!)

      Free access - pictures of documents with authorized capital.
      Question: and how many such "micro-enterprises" are there in Russia? Who do they belong to? Aliens?
  • snake
    snake 24 July 2020 09: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    But they have different goals ..

    Their goals are different. And the message they have is like in the article: "If you didn't live richly, don't fucking start. There is one shirt ..."
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 July 2020 15: 33 New
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    He worked for a large international company.
    First they turned my boss.
    They said we must give way to the young.
    At that time he reached retirement age.
    When he talked with foreign colleagues (Germans), they began to congratulate him on his retirement.
    When he announced that his pension would be ten percent of his salary, the congratulations stopped and there was a pause.
    I was kicked shortly after the chief.
    However, I still have time to work before retirement.
    Here are just sadness, to postpone this "wonderful" survival does not work.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 July 2020 15: 38 New
      14
      Quote: Livonetc
      However, I still have time to work before retirement.
      Here are just sadness, to postpone this "wonderful" survival does not work.

      You have a very similar story to mine. But I can be seen younger. I have been looking for a job for three years .. it is good now, but for how long? The company is breathing in a daze.
      My manager was a German responsible for the development of Russia and the CIS countries, he was 58 years old at that time .. And he worked all his life in one place and for them it is normal, I have not seen TOP management over 50 years old .. They are fired and put the young.
      1. Livonetc
        Livonetc 23 July 2020 15: 45 New
        +7
        I was lucky to find a job in three months.
        Now in the state. enterprise.
        I would like to hope for stability, people who have already reached retirement age also work there.
        However, no one knows what the coming day is preparing for us.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +5
      So now I am stupidly "to zero" turns out. Until retirement (new) fifteen years (there is a preferential experience), but what will change over these years ... Alas, I do not know. And it's even scary to think.
  • arnulla
    arnulla 23 July 2020 15: 35 New
    14
    The state lacks desire, not strength and resources
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 23 July 2020 18: 00 New
      +5
      By the way, a little about Paris. Today, a decision has been made to provide free rides in public transport for all schoolchildren and students under 18 years of age.
      "What are you !? Do you want it like in Paris !?" wassat
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 July 2020 15: 45 New
    15
    I would live to see her now ...
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 23 July 2020 17: 22 New
      14
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I would live to see her now ...

      And you make a zapadlo to the one who promised not to raise the retirement age. drinks drinks drinks Let it be zeroed, slightly upset. I've retired soon, like five years, I don't get sick on purpose, these, from the pension fund, I am nervous, I promise to live up to the second pension laughing laughing good drinks
  • Van 16
    Van 16 23 July 2020 15: 48 New
    13
    "The living wage of a pensioner. Naturally, again predictable. 9.498 rubles."

    Who sets such a minimum - so that you yourself can live on that amount.
    1. alone
      alone 23 July 2020 16: 17 New
      +9
      Quote: Van 16
      Who sets such a minimum - so that you yourself can live on that amount.

      If we lived on this, we would not have installed it ..
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 July 2020 16: 26 New
        +9
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: Van 16
        Who sets such a minimum - so that you yourself can live on that amount.

        If we lived on this, we would not have installed it ..

        That's right .. If their children / grandchildren studied in our schools / universities .. and not in England .. if they were treated in our clinics .. if they received an average salary ..
        What prevented the introduction of these simple but necessary points into the Constitution?
      2. Van 16
        Van 16 23 July 2020 16: 29 New
        +9
        "If we lived on this, we would not have installed .. '
        Yes, this is understandable .. they have no shame, no conscience.
  • Revival
    Revival 23 July 2020 15: 49 New
    17
    "But let's add the second number here: the living wage of a pensioner. Naturally, again predictable. 9.498 rubles. And what happens? Pensioners are not on the brink of survival."

    Class!
    Under the slogan, but it probably won't die!
    Isn't the author ashamed to start without blushing from such a "correct" living wage?
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 23 July 2020 16: 04 New
      12
      This author is no longer ashamed - he made his choice and, probably, “morally” justified it for himself. Therefore, from him we will hear more than once legends about the current cheerful life.
      Himself in such a risk group, in a private company. I have my own recipe - I have taken upon myself a sector of work that is not core to me, but necessary for the business, and I do it voluntarily and for the same salary. Necessity and usefulness, of course, is not a guarantee or insurance, but a certain indicator.
      Hang on, guys!
      1. dauria
        dauria 23 July 2020 16: 20 New
        +8
        Necessity and usefulness, of course, is not a guarantee or insurance, but a certain indicator


        wink This is an indicator that you are destined to be the conductor of the orchestra on the sinking "Titanic". You will not be thrown out until the very end. Believe me, I did. It's just that your "unnecessary" colleagues will already find a job, because they will start looking before you. And if this is not "Titanic" - then you have nothing to be afraid of.
      2. yuliatreb
        yuliatreb 23 July 2020 17: 20 New
        +7
        I have a similar impression, a feeling of understatement and lack of disclosure of the topic, as well as an attempt to justify the actions of our government made changes to the pension reform. If we take the average salary in Russia, honest, not invented and not combined with the salaries of effective managers and deputies of all stripes, then we will approximately get about 30 thousand, and what is 70% of this amount, shame and shame at the exit and deep sympathy for the ruling elite. As voiced by many colleagues, the state does not want to solve this problem, although there are options for solving it.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 21 New
      16
      Quote: Revival
      Isn't the author ashamed to start without blushing from such a "correct" living wage?

      Why should he be ashamed, he is already on a decent pension, he received a fee for the article, and the paper will endure everything.
      Let us wish the author good health, so that he could not feel all the "delights" of the life of modern pensioners.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 July 2020 15: 50 New
    12
    Most of the citizens of our country are anxiously awaiting the moment when they have to become a pensioner.
    ..... The majority are not waiting for retirement, but for layoffs. at the pre-retirement age, if you are 50 or slightly over 50, it is difficult to find a job with a salary, so that your pension would be more or less ...
  • Ham
    Ham 23 July 2020 15: 56 New
    -18
    Why do Russian pensioners need Paris? to look at niggas and Arabs with gypsies?
    let them go to the Crimea, Altai, the Urals, Siberia ...
    there is nothing to do in these paris, but nowadays there are boutiques in any regional center!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 23 July 2020 16: 04 New
      10
      Quote: Ham
      Why do Russian pensioners need Paris? to look at niggas and Arabs with gypsies?
      let them go to the Crimea, Altai, the Urals, Siberia ...
      there is nothing to do in these paris, but nowadays there are boutiques in any regional center!

      This is sarcasm. Although German retirees quite travel the world. And even live, for example, in Turkey, where the climate is good.
      And let the state stop freezing pension savings. As it is too often we have pension reforms
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 July 2020 16: 09 New
        -17
        Even in Germany, you can't go around the world on a state pension. All these tourists of retirement age have either savings or some kind of income-generating assets. As an option - a corporate pension. And if you look closely, it cuts a lot of our pensioners over the hill.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 23 July 2020 16: 18 New
          -9
          it's just that they are different as we have. Germans themselves are people like that. for example, the rule is to postpone part of the salary regardless of the situation. and not touch them for years.
        2. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 23 July 2020 17: 09 New
          -6
          Simply if you say that there are pensions of 500-600 oiro - no one will believe, even 1200 with the price level is not the ultimate dream if you do not leave Germany for a less expensive country, but that's another story ...
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 23 July 2020 16: 11 New
      +8
      Why do Russian pensioners need Paris?
      ... So Paris EBN promised in due time. Literally, I won't say it anymore, but I said something like this: I want our Russian pensioners to receive such a pension, headquarters for it to go to Paris and feed pigeons on the Champs Elysees. About Crimea, Altai, Ural, Siberia there was no talk. smile
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 23 July 2020 18: 18 New
        +8
        I really wanted EBNa to see on the rails as he promised
    3. 210ox
      210ox 23 July 2020 19: 01 New
      +8
      For many, Crimea is like Paris. For example, I want to look at Baikal. But alas, finance.
    4. Aag
      Aag 23 July 2020 19: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Ham
      Why do Russian pensioners need Paris? to look at niggas and Arabs with gypsies?
      let them go to the Crimea, Altai, the Urals, Siberia ...
      there is nothing to do in these paris, but nowadays there are boutiques in any regional center!

      Of course, we have enough of our "Gypsies" and "Arabs", however, Central Asian bottling, from the former Soviet Union ...
      Of the places you have listed, I can afford Siberia (I live in it), but I can't afford a vacation, puppy's mother ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 23 July 2020 15: 59 New
    -11
    Quote: Svarog

    Furgal reduced the salary and expenses of his apparatus and saved 1 billion ... and how much can you save throughout Russia? If you try and want to, then you have enough strength for everything. But they have different goals ..

    There are nuances. Evil tongues say that four ruined lives are on his conscience. Don't want to sacrifice yourself for the sake of common prosperity and economy?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 July 2020 16: 06 New
      14
      Quote: Tagan
      Evil tongues speak

      Look at what evil tongues say about Putin .. the whole YouTube is crammed .. and a lot of what they say, I tend to believe .. and you can see not?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 23 July 2020 16: 10 New
    -13
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Tagan
    Evil tongues speak

    Look at what evil tongues say about Putin .. the whole YouTube is crammed .. and a lot of what they say, I tend to believe .. and you can see not?

    Should I explain to you how YouTube is being hammered? :)
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 July 2020 16: 11 New
    17
    Well, let's consider the "living wage of a pensioner of 9840 rubles" on the example of my neighbor on the staircase - as they say, so as not to go far bully

    1. Communal + electricity + gas = take out and put 3 thousand rubles a month
    2. For medicines - another 5 thousand rubles a month
    3. Rounding up - 10000 - 3000 - 5000 = 2 thousand rubles a month for everything !!!

    We divide 2000 rubles per month by 31 days - = roughly 70 rubles per day ... for food ... about everything else - I am silent ...

    A woman at 72 can live on 70 rubles a day? How do you think???...
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 23 July 2020 16: 16 New
      24
      Quote: Corona without virus
      A woman at 72 can live on 70 rubles a day? How do you think???...

      And you scare, he will answer, well, he lives and I suppose he is putting it off.
      Quote: Corona without virus
      We divide 2000 rubles per month by 31 days - = roughly 70 rubles per day ... for food ... about everything else - I am silent ...

      And you try, for clarity, to compare with the keeping of animals in a zoo or service dogs, I'm just sure that the comparison will be in favor of animals.
      Glory to Putinism, heroes of labors - glory, damn it!
    2. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 23 July 2020 17: 18 New
      -3
      Okay, come on, roommate for seventy 22 and? over 80, more than 30 ... not in Moscow, if anything, but there is an acquaintance in Belgorodskaya 11, although the last 7 years have not officially worked ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 July 2020 19: 04 New
        +7
        So one third of the country does not officially work.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 July 2020 19: 41 New
          10
          Quote: 210ox
          So one third of the country does not officially work.

          The problem is that if everyone is transferred to an official, then half of the offices will close right there ... the taxation system is wild ..
        2. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 24 July 2020 12: 58 New
          -1
          ... no, you did not understand me, no one forced him and did not refuse anything, he himself was looking for similar places ... why? I don't know, apparently he needed it for some reason.
    3. ancient
      ancient 23 July 2020 18: 01 New
      11
      Quote: Corona without virus
      2. For medicines - another 5 thousand rubles a month

      With that kind of money, you can buy medicines only for a practically healthy pensioner.
      I spend at least 15 rubles a month and then .. on a club card with a big discount, since since 000 there has already been a 2017% discount. (And of course medicines, and not ... "chalk" in a beautiful package ..type. . "from bryntsalov").
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 July 2020 19: 28 New
        -6
        Quote: ancient
        With that kind of money, you can buy medicines only for a practically healthy pensioner.
        I spend at least 15 rubles a month and then .. with a club card with a big discount

        And there is nothing for such an ancient to go around in clubs! laughing
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 July 2020 19: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And there is nothing for such an ancient to go around in clubs!

          There is a very chic network of pharmacies (I do not give the name, since this is an advertisement laughing ) and a card is issued (an exact copy of the bank card, only this pharmacy chain0 is called..CLUB card.
          I recommend purchasing ... a 9-month installment of only 176 rubles and with the possibility of prolongation.
          In one purchase, I immediately recouped all the costs, but the benefit ... I wrote everything there 25% of the cost (and their "starting" prices are lower than in retail).
          If they are dumping, say yes ... but very competently and the marketing department and the management department work for them for ... 5 points good
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 23 July 2020 20: 04 New
            0
            Quote: ancient
            I recommend to purchase.

            With my pension, I cannot spend 15 thousand a month. lol Yes, for such a sum, I don't need drugs yet (I hope), even if I have a disability group. But even I do not spend 5 thousand a month - this happens occasionally, with exacerbation of sores. But when you retire, you are unlikely to spend 15 thousand on medicine, because then there is simply nothing to eat. And you have to pay for housing and communal services, for example, I pay about 6 thousand rubles. It saves that my wife and I are alone, and this is much easier than one - two pensions are more than one! yes
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 July 2020 20: 27 New
              +8
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              But when you retire, you are unlikely to spend 15 thousand on medicine, because then there is simply nothing to eat.

              Dismissed from the ranks of the RF Armed Forces on December 28, 1999 in connection with OShM wink (born 1952 wink), so ... about .. "that's when ...." so I'm already retired so much .. how long you haven't served. this is the first.
              2. Pension 48 plus + 3069 for WBD wink
              3. So your sores are "bearable" ... and I have an edge ... lifelong because ... or-or ... so as they say .. "who was what ...... studied ... then and ... borrowed ... for all sorts of hardships and deprivations of military service " crying
              4. I have medicines from France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Hungary, Croatia (there are the most German ones - 4 items, the most expensive Italian ... with a discount of about 8, and before I took 000).
              The same I live with my wife ..... she has a "standard" - 9.
              5.And you want to live ... spend how much you need ... if you still want to live soldier
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 23 July 2020 20: 07 New
            13
            Quote: ancient
            If they are dumping, say yes ... but very competently and the marketing department and the management department work for them for ... 5 points

            Colleague, the fact is that pharmacies charge up to 1000% on drugs, there is a lot to roam around here. A simple example, my acquaintances from the Muscovite, brought a monthly course of drugs for liver ceyrosis for 180 thousand rubles, in the Russian Federation this course costs from 2,5 to 3 million rubles.
            The second example, on the street where I live, there are 10 pharmacies of different chains and only one is not a network, in it I buy Indian ointment for 75 rubles and in the networks start from 350 rubles, etc., including hydrogen peroxide 10 rubles and 50 rubles for a standard bottle !
            The state has withdrawn from the regulation of prices for medicines, although there are, of course, essential medicines, but manufacturers are in no hurry to make them, the "exhaust" is scanty, or they use medicinal substances and ingredients of Chinese origin and of dubious quality.
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 July 2020 20: 29 New
              +9
              Quote: Stroporez
              Colleague, the fact is that pharmacies charge up to 1000% on drugs

              Friendly ..... I am aware of ... this event ..... when we are strained with medicines, sons send me from the capital, when there was no "crown" yet, they brought from there .. so ... to live you can (but prices are very different from .. "local"
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 23 July 2020 20: 46 New
                13
                Quote: ancient
                Friendly ..... I am aware of ... this event ..... when we are strained with medicines, sons send me from the capital, when there was no "crown" yet, they brought from there .. so ... to live you can (but prices are very different from .. "local"

                My dear comrade! I here in connection with mourning events came across such things that if earlier I simply hated scars, now ... I keep silent, I am silent ...
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 16: 17 New
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    They continue to fool us with various projects. But everything was invented long ago: a pension is a guaranteed state old-age benefit + a personal retirement savings account (where part of the deductions from the company and the deposits of the future pensioner go). Only this account has a real embodiment in the chosen bank and can be bequeathed, issued in confidence, etc.
    At the same time, there should be no categories in the country who receive a pension under special conditions (various kinds of public servants and guardians of the law).
    The country could have switched to such a system long ago, when both the size of the state old-age benefit and social pensions would receive annual approval by law.
    And we are all calculating pensions at 10% (exaggerated) of salaries, when officials and others ... receive completely different payments by special standards.
    1. dauria
      dauria 23 July 2020 17: 04 New
      +9
      Only this account has a real embodiment in the chosen bank and can be bequeathed, issued in confidence, etc.


      Stunned? belay "Where am I going to eat?" ... This is what happens - the person saved up, saved up, died and the money will go to his family. Disorder. Then you can’t say, "What is the pension? There are 3 pensioners for each worker" laughing
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 July 2020 16: 19 New
    19
    I would like to wish the author of this laudatory and life-affirming opus to receive a pension of 12 thousand a month.
  • Sofa
    Sofa 23 July 2020 16: 21 New
    +9
    And how does a pensioner from a village differ from a city one, as far as I know, the prices we have everywhere are practically the same, the author confuses something and separates the city and the village. Village labor is much harder than in the city and health goes away faster. And why then the pension reform was needed if promised raise pensions, and where did you see 20 thousand ??? if there are pensions and 9 000 the so-called minimum wage
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 23 July 2020 21: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Couch
      as far as I know, our prices are almost the same everywhere

      Alas, in the village prices are much higher than in the city. The only store is not shy about pricing.
  • Blue fox
    Blue fox 23 July 2020 16: 21 New
    12
    For those pensioners who are still able to work, conditions will be created for returning to work. Not for the positions that they held before retirement, but for low-paid jobs that young people do not go to, which do not require any special skills, such as guards, concierges or watchmen.
    For the word "concierge" in a bending timber industry somewhere in the Suorjarvsky region of Karelia, you can get it in the eye, but there is no job in this position.
  • prior
    prior 23 July 2020 16: 29 New
    13
    I read the article.
    I would like to take an ax and go to the author, talk about pensions ...
    Retiree.
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 23 July 2020 17: 21 New
      -5
      Why? Retiree.
  • seacap
    seacap 23 July 2020 16: 30 New
    10
    Quote: Svarog
    The Constitution fixed the duty of children to help their parents

    In reality, almost always, it only turns out the other way around, especially when grandchildren appear, with their 10 thousand old people still have to help children, cutting their needs to a minimum. And this is a lie when they say that the state has no money, there is nowhere to put it, the PF was always subsidized from the budget before, there were no such problems under the Soviet Union.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 17: 08 New
      12
      Quote: seacap
      And this is a lie when they say that the state has no money, there is nowhere to put it, the PF was always subsidized from the budget before, there were no such problems under the Soviet Union.

      It’s obvious that they’re bawling:
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 July 2020 18: 35 New
      -5
      Would your hand turn to take money from old people - parents? It is a mistake, speaking in Russian, for a healthy, able-bodied person, to beg for money from pensioners.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 July 2020 16: 49 New
    18
    Even in the ideal society that we all dream of, the pension should be about 70% of the income that a person previously received.
    Now I have a question for the Kremlin fans. In the late 80s, you all yelled that Soviet pensioners had a small pension, you are still yelling like that. What is the pension of modern pensioners of the Federation, or is it enough to treat with understanding. And who is dissatisfied with that State Department. you can talk hysterically about krymnash. and when our pension will be. Or are show-offs more important than people now?
    And further,
    The state does not have enough strength for more.
    What happened? was there a war? if there isn't enough yet, then it won't be.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 17: 13 New
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      Or are show-offs more important than people now?

      Yes they bred us in black (from 3:35 to 4:15)
  • Vestnik
    Vestnik 23 July 2020 16: 51 New
    +6
    With such a pension and prices, euthania must be legalized ... hi
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 July 2020 16: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    The constitution stipulates the obligation of children to help their parents .. So, probably, this is not the last increase in the retirement age.

    The government will support pensioners at the minimum that gives at least some guarantee of survival. The state does not have enough strength for more.


    Furgal reduced the salary and expenses of his apparatus and saved 1 billion ... and how much can you save throughout Russia? If you try and want to, then you have enough strength for everything. But they have different goals ..

    For the first time in my life, right now I learned that "The Constitution enshrined the duty of children to help their parents." hi
    Are you seriously?! drinks I ask the question without a joke)) Maybe I missed something again in that heap of amendments
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 July 2020 17: 02 New
      +9
      Quote: Crown without virus
      Quote: Svarog
      The constitution stipulates the obligation of children to help their parents .. So, probably, this is not the last increase in the retirement age.

      The government will support pensioners at the minimum that gives at least some guarantee of survival. The state does not have enough strength for more.


      Furgal reduced the salary and expenses of his apparatus and saved 1 billion ... and how much can you save throughout Russia? If you try and want to, then you have enough strength for everything. But they have different goals ..

      For the first time in my life, right now I learned that "The Constitution enshrined the duty of children to help their parents." hi
      Are you seriously?! drinks I ask the question without a joke)) Maybe I missed something again in that heap of amendments

      Quite .. adult children are obliged to take care of their parents (clause "g" part 7 of article 1 of the Law on the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation of 11.03.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX)
      https://pikabu.ru/story/dazhe_ochen_khoroshaya_popravka_imeet_svoyu_tyomnuyu_storonu_7536367
      drinks hi
  • prior
    prior 23 July 2020 16: 57 New
    15
    If the state (read Putin) wanted to help pensioners, it (he) could easily cancel housing payments for pensioners. That would be real and substantial support.
    But no. The swing continues: the cost of housing and communal services rises, and then penny compensation for pensions. And so on to the grave.
    Such a leap, such national projects ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 17: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: prior
      Such a leap, such national projects ...

      There are suspicions that these are projects of the defining nation ... yes
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 July 2020 18: 26 New
      -2
      Heh, then all apartments will be re-registered as pensioners. For savings. I personally would not be at a loss.
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 23 July 2020 16: 59 New
    +8
    Well, yes, a simple pensioner will not go to Paris, the heads of the Pension Fund go there, there is no money for the first. If you seriously understand why such small pensions, then the answer is simple, most of the enterprises pay gray wages, they officially show the minimum wage. The way out of this situation is the desire of the country's leadership, there are articles in the Criminal Code on this matter. But there is no desire, and will hardly appear.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 July 2020 17: 02 New
    14
    In the "conclusion" the author tried to look for "optimism". Hinted at private pension funds. It is difficult to imagine that someone will entrust them with their EARNED money. Even banks near the state bear little resemblance to "fireproof safes". And other financial organizations often “forgive everyone”. There is no reliable protection of deposits, contributions in the Russian Federation (neither legislative nor physical). The Deposit Insurance Agency cannot cover the losses of depositors of 1-2 large banks. Payments to small regional banks drag on for years.
    To alleviate the problem of older people could be the opportunity to earn good money for workers. But this idea is simply offensive to our elite. Both businessmen and officials, instead of a decent salary, calculate for a long time and tediously how much we "need". The salary in the Russian Federation is small, poorly reflects qualifications, experience, discipline, and learning ability. Good workers would be paid 2000 "non-rubles" and they could support their parents. But the elite of the Russian Federation is not capable of building a highly developed business either intellectually or ideologically. The apotheosis of such a system was the appointment of the "megacapter" Mishustin with his talents of inventorying the "needs of the population." Any nonsense will be legally formalized - just not to pay adequate salary!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 23 July 2020 17: 10 New
    +8
    Watch Paris on TV and die. Make a gift to the PF RF. winked
  • AB
    AB 23 July 2020 17: 22 New
    +9
    For those pensioners who are still able to work, conditions will be created for returning to work. Not for the positions that they held before retirement, but for low-paid jobs that young people do not go to, which do not require any special skills, such as guards, concierges or watchmen.

    The author does not like pensioners very much, I wonder why?
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 July 2020 17: 22 New
    14
    Custom article? Essentially nothing. "No money, but you hold on" just in other words.
  • Esaul
    Esaul 23 July 2020 17: 23 New
    +7
    If I myself personally disposed of all the taxes that the employer pays for me to the Pension Fund, then I would retire not only to Paris, but also to travel around the world!
  • Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 23 July 2020 17: 37 New
    +5
    ... For those pensioners who are still able to work, conditions will be created for returning to work. Not for the positions they held before retirement, but for low-paid jobs

    Those who survive will reach retirement age 65 (although no one guarantees another increase in the retirement age) working in difficult conditions will only be able to crawl to trash cans wink
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker 23 July 2020 17: 38 New
    +9
    Where did the author find the old people's pensions of 17 thousand rubles ?! I think the absolute majority of pensioners were very surprised by this!
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 23 July 2020 17: 46 New
      -1
      Is your option more or less?
  • Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 23 July 2020 17: 52 New
    +6
    Somewhere security guards in supermarkets tensed. laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 July 2020 18: 03 New
      -6
      And they started tying the products themselves.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 July 2020 18: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Quote: Svarog
    The constitution stipulates the obligation of children to help their parents .. So, probably, this is not the last increase in the retirement age.

    For the first time in my life, right now I learned that "The Constitution enshrined the duty of children to help their parents." hi
    Are you seriously?! drinks I ask the question without a joke)) Maybe I missed something again in that heap of amendments

    Quite .. adult children are obliged to take care of their parents (clause "g" part 7 of article 1 of the Law on the amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation of 11.03.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    https://pikabu.ru/story/dazhe_ochen_khoroshaya_popravka_imeet_svoyu_tyomnuyu_storonu_7536367
    drinks hi

    I am writing positively !!! drinks
    ALTHOUGH I have a very bad relationship with the Russian language (see, even now I started to write clumsily what ) - but you cannot put an equal sign between the words "must" and "must" hi
  • unaha
    unaha 23 July 2020 18: 18 New
    13
    Actually, pensioners and state employees have fulfilled their task of zeroing, and now:

    "The plan to improve the living standards of pensioners, to which the Russian authorities explained the pension reform of 2018, may go to waste.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin allowed the government to freeze pensions in real terms for the next 10 years, follows from the decree on national development goals published on the Kremlin's website.

    The document, signed by Putin on Tuesday, adjusts the goals of the national projects that the Kremlin launched in 2018, promising economic and technological breakthroughs.

    In the May decree of Putin, 3 years ago, 9 goals were fixed, which need to be realized until 2024, including "the growth of the level of pension provision above the inflation rate."

    This wording has been removed from the 2020 decree. Now the government is required to ensure "a steady increase in the level of pension provision not lower than inflation."

    This means that the indexation of pensions can only be carried out by the value with which the consumer price index calculated by Rosstat has grown. In real terms (after deducting inflation), pensions need not be increased.

    The same principle, as follows from Putin's decree, applies to the general living standards of the population. In 2018, the president demanded to ensure “sustainable growth in real incomes of citizens,” that is, income adjusted for inflation. Now the task is being set for incomes to grow "not lower than inflation."
    In real terms, accordingly, even zero income growth will already be considered the implementation of the presidential decree.

    At the same time, Putin extended until 2030 the deadlines for all the key goals of national projects: reducing poverty by half, increasing life expectancy to 78 years, increasing non-resource exports, and increasing the number of people employed in small businesses to 25 million people.

    The revision of the decree is associated with "an unfavorable international economic situation", explained on the eve of the presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov. He added that "the goals must be realistic and achievable."
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 July 2020 18: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Corona without virus
    2. For medicines - another 5 thousand rubles a month

    With that kind of money, you can buy medicines only for a practically healthy pensioner.
    I spend at least 15 rubles a month and then .. on a club card with a big discount, since since 000 there has already been a 2017% discount. (And of course medicines, and not ... "chalk" in a beautiful package ..type. . "from bryntsalov").

    Some of the medicines are provided by a free scheme from the state - she buys the rest herself ... Well, like herself ... If the children just can't help her with medicines, we, neighbors, dump money and I personally go to her and buy medicines ... good
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 July 2020 20: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: Corona without virus
      Some of the drugs are provided free of charge from the state - she buys the rest herself ..

      I was the same when I just quit "got registered" at the Rehabilitation Center for Veterans of the DB ... the doctors are normal ... I won't say bad things ... but they prescribed medications for sores ... they themselves said ... sorry, but ... we are not others we can.
      I took it, and then accidentally ended up in a "thieves' place" ... for examination ... as they found out what medications I was taking ... they said ... well, at least 2-3 years of your life you took away crying
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 July 2020 18: 39 New
    +5
    Of course, we will not die of hunger, and we will not eat in Paris. Unlike those who created these laws. The author did not mention the pensions of civil servants, who, with their considerable salary, have a pension equal to 70% of their salary. Everyone complains that pensioners there have become a lot. And no one will say that this "a lot" once worked, and created a large reserve for a good life.
    ,
  • Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 23 July 2020 18: 42 New
    11
    All soldiers, sergeants, foremen, as well as sailors who served urgently in the armed forces were (if they later did not go to the security forces) victims of a scam. Their service is not included in the length of service required to calculate the pension. The winners were those who stupidly squandered and did not serve. With which I congratulate all of us!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 July 2020 19: 07 New
    +7
    The state itself kills the belief in pensions .... for my short experience since 1999, how many times have the rules of accrual been changed? And how many times has the exchange rate changed? But there was a funded system, then a ballroom ..... in the end, looking back, there is no point in working in white and paying pension contributions. And if you transfer the same money to an account (from which you cannot withdraw money until retirement) and stabilize the rate of savings (in foreign currency, gold, oil, gas), then a completely different story would come out. Therefore, when I see an advertisement for the PF RF, I want to sue for advertising services that this fund cannot provide. And it changes the rules like the MMM Pyramid.
  • basal
    basal 23 July 2020 19: 09 New
    +6
    A question for connoisseurs. And what is the name of the chela who promoted the idea that retirees sit on the neck of workers? Who invented this? Formation of the pension budget at the expense of income tax is nothing more than a whim. Shall we outweigh pensions on subsoil tax and will pensioners be in chocolate? Will not. There is a revenue side of the budget and there is an expenditure side. Pensions are part of the expenditure. And where are the specific items that form the revenue side? Yes, nothing to do with.
    The author writes that pensioners need to be helped and taken care of. Well, yes, we must. Only the Author has forgotten, or does not remember from his youth, how pensioners were robbed to the fanfare of the "monetization of benefits". Indeed, why benefits and protection, if you can afford everything on retirement. Are we really living well now?
    And how were military pensioners robbed with a "castration coefficient"? ... I do not want to stomp on the patient.
    In general, occasionally driving past GazpromKukuruzina (the tallest building in Europe, if anyone does not know), such pride sneaks that it is not up to pensions already. They can build and the money is full. Well, we'll grind it ourselves somehow.
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 23 July 2020 19: 34 New
    +5
    do not require any special skills, such as security, concierge or watchmen


    It is unlikely that this is relevant since the technology of "guards" is replaced very quickly. A video surveillance camera with a face recognition function on the wall or ceiling of an entrance can replace watchmen and concierges much cheaper, and a system with night vision cameras can guard a high-rise building, since it watches around the clock, and will raise the alarm if it sees strangers not living in the house.
    It is more logical for pensioners to fill the service and transport sectors and create jobs there for specialists - for example, gerontology and medicine, small aviation for regional flights of grandmothers to grandchildren; suburban sanatoriums and boarding houses where you can effectively treat and rehabilitate elderly villagers and townspeople and organize recreation, if not on the seas, but not in summer cottages, in the well-known "gardener's pose" - which can only take away the remnants of health through hard work.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 July 2020 20: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Corona without virus
    Some of the drugs are provided free of charge from the state - she buys the rest herself ..

    I was the same when I just quit "got registered" at the Rehabilitation Center for Veterans of the DB ... the doctors are normal ... I won't say bad things ... but they prescribed medications for sores ... they themselves said ... sorry, but ... we are not others we can.
    I took it, and then accidentally ended up in a "thieves' place" ... for examination ... as they found out what medications I was taking ... they said ... well, at least 2-3 years of your life you took away crying

    Here I am just about this ... about those "drugs" that doctors are FORCED to prescribe under a free scheme from the state ...
  • Drugov
    Drugov 23 July 2020 20: 23 New
    +8
    Honored Builder of Russia, Honorary Builder of the Stavropol Territory. Pension 14000. Such is the concern of the state.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 July 2020 07: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Drugov
      Pension 14000.

      The state becomes rich not in income, but in expenses.

      If it's not a secret, how do you spend your pension?
      I guess:
      ~ 2 tr. Housing and communal services;
      ~ 4-5 tr. for food.
      A 7-8 tr. where?
  • for
    for 23 July 2020 20: 30 New
    +3
    to whom the state is constantly increasing payments,

    These payments do not cover real price increases.
    The new pensioner is another mouth on the neck of a working citizen.

    The author, and you are the ROT already or the future.
  • Million
    Million 23 July 2020 21: 21 New
    +7
    The state, as always, deceived the citizens ... A common thing ... More precisely, a familiar one.
    PS, why is there no news about the assignment of the next military rank of Major General to Academician Kadyrov?
    1. basal
      basal 23 July 2020 22: 14 New
      +4
      So Kadyrov already seems to have received a general through the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Twice general ??? belay
      1. Million
        Million 23 July 2020 22: 15 New
        +5
        I do not know, but I will not be surprised
      2. Million
        Million 24 July 2020 08: 00 New
        0
        on Rambler the news slipped through, but then it was removed.
  • SVD68
    SVD68 24 July 2020 07: 00 New
    +4
    Most of the citizens of our country are anxiously awaiting the moment when they have to become a pensioner. They are waiting anxiously simply because all the previous years of our country's existence have taught people not to believe in the "good heart" of the state and government. The pension is perceived as not a very happy transition from a citizen necessary for the country into ballast, which this state does not need.

    Just like back in 2018. When state propagandists tried to convince people that work instead of retirement is good. But here they are trying to deceive - they are trying to replace the concept of "pension". They say pension is some period of life following the period of "work". In fact, a pension is a cash benefit. Insert this value instead of the word "pension". Most citizens of our country are anxiously waiting for the moment when they will receive cash benefits. Absurd? Absurd. I am sure that not a single person who talks about how to work well instead of a pension has given up on his pension as a cash benefit.
    In fact, people are anxiously waiting for the moment when they will not be able to earn due to their age (it does not matter, because of age-related sores or because of the situation on the labor market for the elderly). And the pension is a cash benefit) here only to help. Pension is not alarming; on the contrary, it reduces anxiety.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 24 July 2020 07: 32 New
    -6
    Dear average pensioners, we will not go to Paris again this year. How did you not go in the past, the year before last and all previous years ...

    And what is there to do then? The money earned here should be spent here, and not sponsor the economy of our enemies.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 25 July 2020 17: 51 New
      0
      Boris! It's you that 3% with a small addition of% to 10 say. The rest of our people do not invest in foreign countries.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 July 2020 08: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: NordUral
        The rest of our people do not invest in foreign countries.

        Ask how many of the rest of our people are accustomed to skiing in foreign resorts (before the epidemic) and how much of their hard-earned money they leave there.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 26 July 2020 10: 32 New
          0
          I think that no more than 15% of the total people.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 July 2020 11: 02 New
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            I think that no more than 15% of the total people.

            According to the Russian FSB Border Service, in 2019, Russian citizens made 176 trips to 48 foreign states and territories (excluding Belarus, since it does not appear in border statistics).

            In the "overall standings", without dividing trips into tourist and made for other purposes, the following 2019 countries are leading in the outbound flow from Russia in 10. It:

            Turkey (6 trips, + 991% growth over 528)
            Abkhazia (4 trips, + 802%)
            Finland (3 trips, + 962%)
            Kazakhstan (3 417 996 trips, + 7,5%)
            China (2 trips, + 606%)
            Ukraine (2 trips, + 577%)
            Estonia (1 trips, + 890%)
            Germany (1 trips, + 426%)
            Italy (1 trips, + 361%)
            Thailand (1 trips, + 231%).

            This TOP-10 countries account for almost 63% of all trips (with all departure purposes, not only tourist ones) made by Russian citizens in 2019.

            Excerpts from this site: https://www.atorus.ru/news/press-centre/new/50475.html

            If, yes, each of them left there for 1 ruble, then the amount is already not small.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 26 July 2020 16: 56 New
              0
              Boris! divide that by about three. And there will be a real number that one, two, several times go abroad. Which I wrote approximately.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 24 July 2020 08: 37 New
    +2
    Let's be honest, the new bourgeois do not have a sense of respect for those who work for them and displays them in the Forbes squeaks. And they are not going to provide for their old age, let anyone. And no matter what they say, an ideology superior to the socialist cannot be created, so we are constantly looking for a national idea, only it is not there (like cats in a dark room). So our pensioners will not go anywhere to rest. Since a lot of money can only be stolen, but you can earn a crap or hernia.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 24 July 2020 12: 32 New
      -2
      Let's be honest, the new bourgeois do not have a sense of respect for those who work for them and displays them in the Forbes squeaks.

      Everyone works for themselves or hires people who work. If you don't like it, then for God's sake - ciao and do what you want.

      And they are not going to provide their old age, let anyone

      And they shouldn't. What is going on in the minds of people who think that someone will support them?

      And no matter what they say, ideology superior to the socialist does not create

      Under capitalism, man exploits man, and under socialism, the opposite is true. laughing

      So our pensioners will not go anywhere to rest

      Why? A lot of pensioners have a rest in the near and far abroad.

      Since a lot of money can only be stolen, but you can earn a crap or hernia.

      It's good that today's youth don't think so, but study and earn money.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 25 July 2020 17: 49 New
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        They said fellow actors from Hollywood that Ronnie was somewhat dumb and liar.
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 25 July 2020 18: 42 New
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          Not a fact, he did not grumble in old age at retirement age, and his career was much better than a security guard in a supermarket or an "elite" truck driver. laughing
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 25 July 2020 19: 10 New
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            His advisers were cunning, and that was the secret of his career.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 July 2020 09: 45 New
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    We have a state for oligarchs, not for pensioners. All this is a fact. The entire system of power is created and works for the rich, not for the poor. The rest is for the crafty politicians.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 24 July 2020 11: 10 New
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    in monetary terms, it corresponds to 17.432 rubles ........... Pensioners are not on the brink of survival, but they will receive the very same percentage of real wages ............... ..we will not talk about survival and nutrition from the nearest garbage dumps with such a pension either. Pensioners can really live


    $ 242 .. No, of course .. it's not on the brink of survival ..
    And what is - on the verge of survival ?? Probably the line means the level of homeless people ?? And here it seems as if not homeless .. For housing and communal services for water, enough to pay .. and bread will remain .. Well, buy a phone for 10tyr. or, for example, a tablet for 20 - sorry .. this is already too bold for a person .. About Paris / Turkey, as well as about buying a car, you can not even talk ..
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 24 July 2020 11: 26 New
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    The share of the richest Russians, who own virtually all financial assets and cash savings in Russia, is only 3 percent of the population. This is the conclusion reached by analysts of the Higher School of Economics and the Institute for Research and Expertise of Vnesheconombank, having conducted a number of studies of inequality in the Russian Federation, writes the Kommersant newspaper on Friday, April 12. Economists state that over five years, the share of all financial assets in the country belonging to the richest citizens of Russia increased by 5 percentage points: if in 2013 it was 84,3%, then by 2018 it increased to 89,3%. A similar indicator for cash savings increased over the same time by 11 percentage points - from 78% to 89%. As of May 2018, the richest Russians owned 92 percent of all time deposits in the country (compared to 2013 in 92,2). While the savings in cash and securities of the richest 3 percent of citizens were growing, their real incomes, and also debt and deposits decreased.



    I translate:
    1% of the population own 3% of all funds.
    2. The entire population (97%) now lives on the remaining 10% of their funds.
    3. If everyone lived on 100% of their means - the difference is TEN times !!

    As they say - check and checkmate .. Funding source found ..
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 24 July 2020 11: 29 New
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    “If you had saved $ 10 every day since the Egyptian pyramids were built, you would have amassed only 000% of the average fortune of the five richest people in the world,” charity Oxfam writes in its annual report on inequality for the World Economic Forum. (WEF) in Davos. Inequality has gotten out of control, the authors believe: 20% of the wealthiest people are richer than the other 1 billion people.

    One of the reasons for such super-wealth is the reduction in tax rates for the rich and the largest corporations and their tax evasion, according to Oxfam experts. Since 1945, the maximum income tax rate in the United States has reached 90%, by 1980 it had dropped to 70%, and now it does not exceed 40%. In developing countries, the maximum personal income tax rate is even lower, at 28%, and on corporate profits, at 25%. In some countries, poor people pay more taxes than rich people - for example, in Brazil, the effective rate of the poorest 10% is over 30%, and the richest 10% is 20%. “I seem to pay less taxes than any of my employees,” billionaire Warren Buffett was quoted by Oxfam in a 2019 report.

    The wealthy provide only 4% of the world's tax revenue while dodging 30% of their tax liabilities.
  • blackies
    blackies 24 July 2020 18: 16 New
    -1
    about the rescue of drowning people - let the media, authorities and others honestly say that this is the business of the drowning themselves, otherwise the people in Russia still believe that in the current world someone will give them something (if only Putin is removed)