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The State Duma adopted a law equating the alienation of the territory of the Russian Federation with extremism

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The State Duma adopted a law equating the alienation of the territory of the Russian Federation with extremism

The bill equating the alienation of Russian territories with extremism was adopted today by the State Duma in the third and final reading. This was reported on the official website of the State Duma.


The bill was developed by Pavel Krasheninnikov and Andrei Klishas, ​​co-chairs of the working group on drafting constitutional amendments, and is the first draft law prepared following the amendments to the Russian Constitution.

Under the new law, not only violation of Russia's territorial integrity, but also the alienation of part of its territory is recognized as extremism. At the same time, it is specified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

Together with this bill, amendments to the Criminal Code and the Code of Administrative Violations are presented in one package, but they will be considered already at the autumn session of the State Duma. According to these amendments, a fine will be imposed for the first offense: for citizens - from 30 to 60 thousand rubles, for officials - from 60 to 100 thousand, for legal entities - from 200 to 300 thousand rubles. The amount of the fine will increase if the calls were made via the media or the Internet.

Repeated appeals will already entail criminal liability, providing for a fine of up to 400 thousand rubles or imprisonment for up to 4 years. In addition, the Criminal Code is proposed to add a new article 280.2 "Violation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation." The sanctions part of this article establishes a penalty in the form of imprisonment for a term of 6 to 10 years.

(...) Many hotheads may cool off after we adopt the norms of this law. And they will understand that this is punished very seriously. Any calls to separate the region or part of it from Russia are unacceptable and must be strictly suppressed

- said the speaker of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 22 July 2020 16: 57 New
    -61
    Here it is a democratic dialogue - through the law, as through the knee ... What would the heirs be like in blinders ...
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 22 July 2020 17: 11 New
      32
      Not fines, but real terms to give, without hesitation! This would be a law, yes, 15 years ago, how much dishonor a Russia willing to divide would have been honored! And there are birds-talkers, ready to sell the country for a couple of crackers!
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 22 July 2020 17: 20 New
        49
        The leader is red, I saw democracy in my grave as a result of which my country will collapse.
        It is still necessary to return to the agreements in the Belarusian Pushcha.
        Get the fuck out of these agreements and return the Russian lands.
        1. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 17: 45 New
          -23
          Get the fuck out of these agreements and return the Russian lands.


          the purely procedural part interests. Can you share how the "Russian lands" gathered to return? And how wide are your appetites?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 22 July 2020 18: 31 New
            19
            Can you share how the "Russian lands" gathered to return? And how wide are your appetites?
            All. what was once ours .. And yes - the appetites are wide .. wink
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 18: 37 New
              -22
              And yes - the appetites are wide ...

              no doubt about it, but this is secondary.
              What about the recipe? Can you share the "return" methodology? Already for thirty years it was possible to sketch out some kind of reanimation plan.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 July 2020 18: 43 New
                21
                Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                What about the recipe? Can you share the "return" methodology?

                "Polite people", referendum, new territories. It seems that everything is not a surface, you just have to think a little.
                1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                  Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 18: 48 New
                  -28
                  hasn't the Crimean euphoria gone yet? Something dragged on. Do you think that a decrepit leader is capable of a couple more blitzkriegs?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 22 July 2020 18: 51 New
                    17
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                    hasn't the Crimean euphoria gone yet? Something dragged on. Do you think that a decrepit leader is capable of a couple more blitzkriegs?

                    You can only hope that you are "incapable".

                    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                    hasn't the Crimean euphoria gone yet?

                    What kind of "euphoria" can there be from planned work?
                  2. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 22 July 2020 19: 16 New
                    22
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                    hasn't the Crimean euphoria gone yet?

                    What's wrong? What's burning? I was in the Ukrainian Crimea, then in the Russian, in the Russian version Crimea became better. To say the opposite, either the individual was neither there nor there, or the individual, pursuing certain goals, is telling a lie.
                    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                    Do you think that a decrepit leader is capable of a couple more blitzkriegs?

                    I think some are crushed by impotent anger, but this is always the case with losers. wink
                    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                      Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 19: 36 New
                      -15
                      yes no, it does not "flatten" and does not "burn". I personally do not go to the Crimea - I do not like it there, regardless of whose it is. Here, as they say, is a matter of taste and preferences - I am not getting into the "good / bad in Crimea" disputes. I say that it is hardly possible to repeat the Crimean scenario with the Baltics, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and further with everything that the local "land gatherers" plan to fasten to the Rossiyushka in fulfillment of the old dream of the USSR 2.0. It is very curious how Comrade Lopatov was going to hold a referendum, say, in Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan.
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 22 July 2020 19: 45 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        I personally don’t go to Crimea - I don’t like it there.

                        Well, it's not for everyone. Akhmatova, Mayakovsky, Chekhov ..., some of them did not like it, it's a matter of taste, tastes are different. Some have no taste at all, sometimes it's a personal matter. hi

                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        I say that it is hardly possible to repeat the Crimean scenario with the Baltics, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and further with everything that the local "land gatherers" are planning to fasten to the Rossiyushka in fulfillment of the old dream of the USSR 2.0.

                        Quite possible. But is it necessary? This is another question. Who needs the "Tribaltic extinctions" here, I don't know. but part of what was taken away from the truth, it would be necessary to return, however. this is IMHO.
                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        It is very curious how Comrade Lopatov was going to hold a referendum, say, in Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan.

                        And I here not so long ago laid out a video. where interesting territories are described (interesting, this does not mean that all that were part of the USSR) were minus, but in vain, there was a hint. repeat
                      2. Pereira
                        Pereira 22 July 2020 20: 51 New
                        14
                        I say that it is hardly possible to repeat the Crimean scenario ...

                        So after all, very few people believed in the Crimean scenario in 13. So do not relax the rolls.
                      3. Private-K
                        Private-K 23 July 2020 07: 24 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        plan to fasten to the Rossiyushka in fulfillment of the old dream of the USSR 2.0.

                        The RSFSR within the framework of the USSR was the most powerless "union republic" - it did not even have its own party organization.
                        T.N. the "union republics" were attached not to the "Russian-RSFSR", but to the union state of the USSR.
                        Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia are not planning any accessions to the Russian Federation, but they are categorically prohibited. Only putting under external control, external control and a solid border with evil armed border guards.
                        Kazakhstan - yes, at least the northern part will be annexed.
                        The southeast of Ukraine will be added, of course. On the basis of Belarus, a new state will be created, to which a part of Little Russia will be attached (with Kiev, Poltava, Zhitomir, etc.).
                        It may be necessary to take control of the Tripbaltics without being included in the Russian Federation itself. But that is if Western Europeans ask .......
                        And, of course, no wars. The maximum is a small force support for "soft" reassignment.
                        And of course, they won't give Russian citizenship just like that. Only through filters.
                        The creation of the USSR 2.0 would be very beneficial to the world Finintern, the USA and Britain. This would again impose on the Russians "international moral obligations" to support the "southern allied peoples", which, of course, leads to the impoverishment of Russia proper and the Russians.

                        In general, everything is described by the left-conservative Andrey Shkolnikov - see "Radio Aurora" on YouTube.
                      4. Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 July 2020 08: 05 New
                        -2
                        and, thanks, made some clarity about the plans to reorganize the world) And then the local passionary dredgers do not suffer from any specifics, more and more indistinct mumbling with threats to somehow return something somewhere without georeferencing and methods - vulgar populist revanchism without strategic horizon.
                        Left-conservative, you say? Curious, curious.
                      5. Private-K
                        Private-K 23 July 2020 08: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        clarity about plans to rebuild the world)

                        These are not so much plans as logic natural process on the general the redistribution of the world and the division of spheres of influence within the framework of the end of liberal Globalization and the self-fusion of the United States.

                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Left-conservative, you say? Curious, curious.

                        Yes, without turning Russians into "firewood for the fire of the world revolution" and hard workers for "raising the outlying southern peoples."
                        In general, any "revolutionism" is not allowed.
                        The course towards the gubernization of the Russian Federation (the abolition of Lenin's legacy in the form of "federation") with its transformation into a normal, correct Russia.

                        Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                        the local passionary dredgers

                        People who vote for terrorism against the Russian authorities not are "dredgers". They are either levocate provocateurs or emotionally succumbed to propaganda. History lessons are empty words for them about nothing. (Everything is like a Russian literary classic: "I don't know anything, but I have an opinion!")

                        PS However, the scenario of the disintegration of Russia and the final self-destruction of Russians under liberal-leftist slogans is also quite valid - the Maaaskov Noviopian high-ranking officials are generally anti-Russian, and their strength is very great.
                      6. Dr. Frankenstucker
                        Dr. Frankenstucker 23 July 2020 08: 50 New
                        -3
                        yeah ... well, that has some theoretical potential. In contrast to the primitive unpromising rhetoric of "liberation campaigns" and the "kuzka mother" of adherents of the doctrine, "let's take our own."
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            2. Clear
              Clear 22 July 2020 22: 08 New
              +5
              Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
              hasn't the Crimean euphoria gone yet? Something dragged on. Do you think that a decrepit leader is capable of a couple more blitzkriegs?

              Oh, Sasha, many would like to "shake things up."
              By the way, we women usually say: "A good bitch does everything to curses to envy ..."
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 23: 51 New
                -5
                I agree, I agree, with the 'decrepit' I have gone too far, perhaps, yes, sir. The age qualification for a modern politician is about nothing) And given our specifics - you know, the funniest breaking of copies for me is the question of cadences, turnover, and the resulting, sorry, cad about zeroing. The good old - from the Kremlin - only on the gun carriage.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 23 July 2020 19: 26 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
                  And taking into account our specifics - you know, the funniest breaking of copies for me is the issue of cadences, turnover and the resulting cadence, sorry, about zeroing. The good old - from the Kremlin - only on the gun carriage.

                  I would like to clarify who and for whom to change and how? hi
          2. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 22 July 2020 21: 33 New
            +1
            Ireland, Scotland, Malta, Japan, Turkey Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Greece, Yugoslavia, Cyprus ... We will welcome everyone to the Russian world ...
            We will sell the S-400 to everyone.
            1. Region68
              Region68 23 July 2020 04: 58 New
              -2
              This is in dreams ... but in reality, "Russian World", on the contrary, shrinks
              1. flicker
                flicker 23 July 2020 17: 28 New
                0
                But in reality, "Russian World", on the contrary, shrinks
                And then what?
                Everything is known (and evaluated) by comparison.
                As soon as the Russian world begins to shrink, its place begins to take the "American world" belay
                But after that, everyone begins to understand the value of the Russian world.
                ---
                The fact that "shrank" is not the worst thing, it is much more important that he survived. good
                Today "shrank" - tomorrow it will unclench. bully
                1. Grim Reaper
                  Grim Reaper 23 July 2020 18: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: flicker
                  But in reality, "Russian World", on the contrary, shrinks
                  And then what?
                  Everything is known (and evaluated) by comparison.
                  As soon as the Russian world begins to shrink, its place begins to take the "American world" belay
                  But after that, everyone begins to understand the value of the Russian world.
                  ---
                  The fact that "shrank" is not the worst thing, it is much more important that he survived. good
                  Today "shrank" - tomorrow it will unclench. bully

                  If at least one person remains from the squad, it will be revived.
                  (C) Glen Cook. "Black Squad"
                2. Region68
                  Region68 24 July 2020 11: 10 New
                  0
                  It would be nice to think further ..
                  Why does this happen ..
                  Otherwise, we have already lost a screaming geostrategist, and we will lose Belarus.
            2. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 23 July 2020 08: 28 New
              -6
              Quote: Tank jacket
              We will accept everyone in the Russian world ...

              laughing
              We will rename the UN to the United Russian World Organization!
              The S-400, like the former Kalashnikov assault rifle, will appear on the Swaziland flag and will be added to the hammer and sickle on the Austrian coat of arms. The most demanded profession in the world will be the "teacher of the Russian language". The anthem of Vanuatu will be "There was a birch in the field." The film "Shugal" will become the standard for Bollywood.
              So win! (from)
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 23 July 2020 08: 33 New
                -4
                Sylvester? Innokenty? I don't recognize you in makeup ... Kesha ... laughing
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 22 July 2020 18: 44 New
          +3
          What is there to share? The restoration of socialism in Russia, and further - socialism around the world .. And let's start - with the former USSR .. And then slowly, little by little ..
          1. Dr. Frankenstucker
            Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 18: 46 New
            -19
            The restoration of socialism in Russia, and further - socialism around the world .. And let's start with the former USSR ..

            a, clear. You, reanimators of the USSR, are such dreamers ...))
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 22 July 2020 18: 48 New
              10
              Let's see ... Once - our grandfathers have already succeeded, I don't see why not try again. And it's better to be a dreamer than a liberal tolerant ..
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 18: 50 New
                -18
                Once - our grandfathers have already succeeded, I don't see why not try again.


                through the blood of the civil war? Well, try it on yourself first. Self-harm is, apparently, fascinating.
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 22 July 2020 20: 52 New
                  +2
                  There are more successful experiences. We use it.
            2. tatra
              tatra 22 July 2020 20: 13 New
              16
              Well, you, the reanimators of the Russian Empire, did it all. You returned to the Russia you captured the same that was in "Russia We Lost" in October 1917 - capitalism, the richest power and the Church, a system with a huge gap in the incomes of the people, a miserable raw-material economy, take away social benefits from the people, returned high mortality of the people, implanting religion.
              1. Dr. Frankenstucker
                Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 20: 20 New
                -9
                Are you calling, my dear, for the violent overthrow of the government? Yes, you are an extremist) I wanted revolutionary romance and a fratricidal mess?) Otherwise, why praise the 'old-fashioned' methods?
                1. tatra
                  tatra 22 July 2020 20: 37 New
                  +3
                  Ha, well, you, enemies of the communists, and all 70 years under Soviet power, and all 30 years after your capture of the USSR, by what you did, said and wrote, you proved that you, with a maniacal fix idea, were eager to arrange a counter-revolution, and did not consider it your crimes. On the contrary, you have declared the communists criminals because they repressed you for this.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 06 New
            +2
            There is no need to mix. Not all supporters of the return of Russian lands are supporters of socialism.
          3. Doctor
            Doctor 22 July 2020 23: 37 New
            -1

            What is there to share? The restoration of socialism in Russia, and further - socialism around the world ..

            At whose expense will the music be? Again, to put a Russian peasant in a pose?
      2. unaha
        unaha 22 July 2020 18: 40 New
        -9
        It also became interesting, "ours" - who is it, are you about yourself in the 3rd kind? And "once" is when?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 22 July 2020 18: 46 New
          +7
          Ours - in the sense of not yours. Not liberal-shitty .. When - yes always .. What is not clear - what was ours, ours will be. And yes - Alaska and California are also included .. laughing One hell of a socialism will inevitably win all over the planet ..
          1. unaha
            unaha 22 July 2020 19: 00 New
            -7
            uuuuu ... how everything started)))
            I have no more questions.
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 22 July 2020 22: 29 New
          -1
          Tell me, unaha,? and uhaha is different from unaha ??? With a wand? or with a stick /?
          You have no more problems there, how to write about the Russian Federation? Like Israel is creating a border service? Light up ...
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 22 July 2020 22: 44 New
            -1
            Otherwise, ask to join the Eurasian Customs Union, but we don't seem to mind, but the sediment remains ...
            Let's make the Covid-19 certificates collect in one place in turn ... Sweat to wait.
            1. Tank jacket
              Tank jacket 22 July 2020 23: 08 New
              -1
              Didn't Grandma Merkel explain to you that the United States is no longer pulling Jewish, ugh, European security, so it's time to think about who you will ... dance (c) laughing
              Little Palm ... Hint ...
              To betray in time is not to betray, but to foresee ... wassat
          2. unaha
            unaha 23 July 2020 05: 55 New
            0
            What is the conclusion about any my involvement in Israel? Even interesting. I already understood that you breathe unevenly towards Jews, but all the same?
    2. primaala
      primaala 22 July 2020 19: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
      Get the fuck out of these agreements and return the Russian lands.


      the purely procedural part interests. Can you share how the "Russian lands" gathered to return? And how wide are your appetites?

      ... if necessary, and we will not ask.
      1. New
        New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 09 New
        -3
        Quote: primaala
        ... if necessary, and we will not ask.

        walking wide you risk tearing your pants
        1. primaala
          primaala 22 July 2020 19: 19 New
          -6
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: primaala
          ... if necessary, and we will not ask.

          walking wide you risk tearing your pants

          forgive readers. And you are a "little machine" ...
          1. New
            New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 24 New
            0
            Quote: primaala
            forgive readers. And you "mаshonku "...

            the darling just needs to know what "mоshonka "and is it torn? laughing You may have experience like this laughing
            2 points, definitely!
            ***


            Like Lamina Cribrosa
            Crista Galli settled,
            Ahead - Foramen Caecum,
            Behind Os Sphenoidale,
            1. Clear
              Clear 22 July 2020 22: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: primaala
              forgive readers. And you "mаshonku "...

              the darling just needs to know what "mоshonka "and is it torn? laughing You may have experience like this laughing
              2 points, definitely!
              ***


              Like Lamina Cribrosa
              Crista Galli settled,
              Ahead - Foramen Caecum,
              Behind Os Sphenoidale,

              Oh, how strict, and immediately to the girl "2 points, definitely!" Did you, as a man, receive a convincing blow in the groin, which, as a paramedic, confused
              Quote: Silvestr
              "scrotum" and does it break?
              with the names of the bones of the skull in Latin?
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 22 July 2020 22: 06 New
          0
          Sylvester, would you like to ask a question in a new way ... Is your mother or grandmother Jewish? And then the puzzle does not add up ...
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 22 July 2020 23: 34 New
            -3
            Sylvester, do you know what the next question will be? ... That's right ... You guessed it ... Have you already received Izgail's citizenship ???
            You don't have to answer ... We all know you ... Work it. laughing
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 22 July 2020 20: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
      Can you share how the "Russian lands" gathered to return? And how wide are your appetites?

      This is our land! - "Wide and free
      You, home country! "We do not need someone else's, we will return ours!
      Sevastopol has returned, and the rest of the Russian lands will also return.
    4. mehan
      mehan 22 July 2020 20: 24 New
      -5
      Minced meat and meat grinder.)))))
    5. Kazbek
      Kazbek 22 July 2020 22: 21 New
      0
      Approximately like this:
      I see mountains and valleys, I see rivers and fields.
      This is Russian freedom, this is my homeland.
      I see Paris and London, Budapest and Bucharest.
      This is a Russian power, how many favorite places are there?
      I see pagodas in Sri Lanka and Korea, and China ...
      Wherever I go in a tank, my favorite land is everywhere!
      I see the Amazon river, I see crocodiles ...
      This is the Russian side, this is my homeland!
      Near the pyramids, the Nile flows - rich in water,
      Washes the Russian coast!
      My Russia, I am proud of you!
      I see Washington in the valley, Dallas I see Texas,
      How nice it is to drink delicious Russian kvass here in Russia!
      The sun rises over Sydney. The platypus sniffs in the pond.
      The speaker starts the hymn.
      I’ll enter the day with the Russian anthem!
      [B] [/ b]
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 22 July 2020 17: 27 New
    +3
    This would be a law, yes, 15 years ago, how much dishonor a Russia willing to divide would have been honored!

    What is this nonsense? The text is written in black and white

    delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    That is, the Kuril Islands are an open question. Kaliningrad is an open question. Crimea is an open question. Yes, the entire border is essentially in question. And what, one wonders, does this law change? The fact that the conditional Paraguay will not be able to get the Ryazan region? It's funny.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 22 July 2020 17: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      What is this nonsense? The text is written in black and white
      delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.
      That is, the Kuril Islands are an open question. Kaliningrad is an open question. Crimea is an open question.

      Many people simply do not want to understand legal terms and "fall for" loud slogans.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 July 2020 18: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        Many simply do not want to understand legal terms and "fall for" loud slogans.

        Bingo!
        And that's why some try to lie.
        But we won't believe them, will we ?:
      2. flicker
        flicker 22 July 2020 21: 05 New
        +2
        Many people simply do not want to understand legal terms and "fall for" loud slogans.
        Do you understand them?
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 July 2020 17: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      And what, one wonders, does this law change?

      And this changes the fact that if we say something, then they will point us to the turma, and if the state Duma decides to demarcate the km border with the presidents. 200, Duc is gut!
      1. primaala
        primaala 22 July 2020 19: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        And what, one wonders, does this law change?

        And this changes the fact that if we say something, then they will point us to the turma, and if the state Duma decides to demarcate the km border with the presidents. 200, Duc is gut!

        Who is your right to designate the nickname "private airborne forces" ??? Not ashamed???
        1. Clear
          Clear 22 July 2020 22: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: primaala
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          And what, one wonders, does this law change?

          And this changes the fact that if we say something, then they will point us to the turma, and if the state Duma decides to demarcate the km border with the presidents. 200, Duc is gut!

          Who is your right to designate the nickname "private airborne forces" ??? Not ashamed???

          Alla, why not?
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 22 July 2020 20: 00 New
        -2
        Quote: Stroporez
        then they point us to turmu,

        laughing Come on, a lot of honor - for the state. the account to feed. Shibanut is affordable, and will be with you. yes
      3. Kisa
        Kisa 22 July 2020 21: 19 New
        +3
        on the main VO there is still an article about the Kuril Islands discussed 3 days ago. here I have the only question - to Lavrov a fine to slap 50 tyrs or 250 as a legal entity to a person who announced after the amendments adherence to the treaty of the 56th year (according to which 2 ostorov should be given to the Japanese for peace treaty). Zakharova also jumped off without explaining whether the Japanese case is suitable for demarcation delimitation ???
      4. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 22 July 2020 21: 45 New
        -5
        Stroporez-your inscriptions-extremism! "E" will take care of you
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 July 2020 18: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Simon Schempp
      That is, the Kuril Islands are an open question.

      It's a lie

      Quote: Simon Schempp
      Kaliningrad is an open question

      And that's a lie

      Quote: Simon Schempp
      Crimea is an open question.

      And again a lie.

      As a child, did you learn that lying is not good?
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 22 July 2020 18: 50 New
        -1
        It's a lie

        What is the lie then?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 July 2020 18: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          It's a lie

          What is the lie then?

          The fact that these territories can go somewhere in the process of delimitation, demarcation or redemarcation of state borders.
          1. Simon schempp
            Simon schempp 22 July 2020 18: 59 New
            +2
            The fact that these territories can go somewhere in the process of delimitation, demarcation or redemarcation of state borders.

            A very productive answer. Everything became clear and understandable at once.
            Of course, it would be interesting to know why, for example, the Kuril Islands would not fall under the demarcation / redemarcation of the state border. But this I already find fault.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Simon Schempp
              Very productive answer

              What do you want to receive in response to your lie?

              Quote: Simon Schempp
              Of course, it would be interesting to know why, for example, the Kuril Islands would not fall under the demarcation / redemarcation of the state border.

              Elementary.
              There is the Sakhalin region. There is the country of Japan. When delimiting and demarcating the border, the outline of the border can be established. No more. But the transfer of the territory of the subject of the Federation, or the entire subject, as you are lying, has not been made.

              So it goes....

              And yes, for the Gang. A bunch of cons won't change reality. This lie will not stop being a lie. laughing laughing
              1. Simon schempp
                Simon schempp 22 July 2020 19: 17 New
                0
                There is the Sakhalin region. There is the country of Japan.

                And there is the Kuril ridge. Which, in the course of demarcation, can quite legally be transferred to Japan. Neither federal law nor the nullified constitution prohibits this.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 28 New
                  -4
                  Quote: Simon Schempp
                  And there is the Kuril ridge. Which, in the course of demarcation, can quite legally be transferred to Japan.

                  You can't lie?
                  Or is this work?
                  Quote: Simon Schempp
                  Neither federal law nor the nullified constitution prohibits this.

                  They are prohibited.
                  With delimitation and demarcation, it is possible to establish how the border passes between Hokkaido on the one hand and Kunashir and Habomai on the other, nothing more.

                  There are two suburban areas, there is a fence between them. And you don't need to tell me that when determining the coordinates of the pillars of this already existing fence, it is possible to chop off the floor of the plot from a neighbor.
                  It will be a lie. For the fence is already there.
              2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke 22 July 2020 20: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                When delimiting and demarcating the border, the outline of the border can be established. No more. But the transfer of the territory of the subject of the Federation, or the entire subject, has not been made

                Would you please explain by the example of Damansky Island what was produced there:
                demarcation, delimitation or transfer of part of the territory?
                "-" to you hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                  Would you please explain by the example of Damansky Island what was produced there:
                  demarcation, delimitation or transfer of part of the territory?

                  Transfer of territories.
                  In accordance with the agreement signed on May 19, 1991 by Gorbachev.
                  If you tried to hint at Putin, then by the beginning of his presidency Damansky had already been entirely Chinese for 9 years.

                  Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                  "-" to you

                  You are also a minus.
                  For ignorance of history and stubborn unwillingness to know it.
                  1. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 12 New
                    -1
                    Rather, delimitation followed by demarcation, given the meager size of the island and the fact that, according to international law, it should have been Chinese, because it lies closer to the Chinese bank of the Amur.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 23 July 2020 06: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    Rather, delimitation followed by demarcation, given the meager size of the island and the fact that, according to international law, it should have been Chinese, because it lies closer to the Chinese bank of the Amur.

                    It is "transfer". For the fundamental decision of Khrushchev on the passage of the state border was documented
      2. primaala
        primaala 22 July 2020 19: 17 New
        -2
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        It's a lie

        What is the lie then?

        Once Confucius was asked the question:
        - Is it right to answer good for evil !?
        To which he replied:
        - Good must be answered with good. For evil, to answer with justice.
      3. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 22 July 2020 21: 43 New
        -4
        Your words are extremism!
    4. ancient
      ancient 22 July 2020 19: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: Spade
      It's a lie

      With all due respect, but ... you are deeply wrong, because ... you are wrong ... 9 you cannot learn to read between the lines wink )?
      As they say, we missed the "flash on the right"! Let's read carefully, once again the proposed wording!

      "Actions (with the exception of delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states) aimed at alienating part of the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as calls for such actions, are not allowed."

      Got the point? If not, I'll explain.

      Suppose, earlier, the conditional president wanted to give, say, the Kuril Islands to Japan. Could he have done it legally? Of course he could!
      But above his decision, there is the Constitutional Court, which had every right (not to be confused with its implementation) to make a decision on the illegality of this gift, thereby canceling out the gift so long-awaited for Japan.

      How is it now?

      And now, if the president decides to donate, again, conditional, Kuril Islands - no Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation will be able to object to him and declare this decision illegal !!!
      Why?
      It's all about the wording of the new constitution.
      If you look closely, the following is clear - any action aimed at alienating the territory is illegal.
      With the exception of delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of the Russian Federation with neighboring states

      Let's decipher.

      Delimitation - determination of the general position and direction of the state border between neighboring states through negotiations.

      Demarcation - drawing a dividing line; definition of the border. Drawing the state border on the ground with its designation with special signs.

      Redemarcation - Checking a previously demarcated border and rebuilding or replacing destroyed border markers.

      In other words, the transfer of conditional Kuriles to Japan, on contractual terms, is nothing more than a delimitation!

      Which emoticon to put funny or sad?

      Many don't really understand what happened!
      Expecting that it will not be possible to give the territory, but it is not!
      Transfer of territories now REGULATED IN THE CONSTITUTION!
      That's the problem!
      And no Constitutional Court or any other state body will be able to accuse the President of illegal actions, since they will fully comply with the constitution, which means they will have full legitimacy!
      But why this is done ... the question is completely different.

      That's all. The curtain.

      PS All of the above is exclusively my personal opinion, the publication of which is guaranteed by Russian Legislation!
      I am not calling anyone for anything.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 08 New
        -5
        Quote: ancient
        In other words, the transfer of conditional Kuriles to Japan, on contractual terms, is nothing more than a delimitation!

        It's a lie.


        Again.
        There is one summer cottage, there is a second summer cottage. There is a fence between them, which is the border.

        The neighbor says to the neighbor: "We will consider the pillars as the landmarks characterizing the passage of the fence on the ground." This is delimitation.
        We agreed and went to the area. We determined and wrote down the coordinates of the pillars, they nailed the signs "border" This is the demarcation

        After half a year, a couple of "border" signs rusted and came off. They came and nailed new ones. This is a redemarcation

        With these actions, it is impossible to teleport the fence so that it grabs a piece from a neighbor. For the fence is already there.

        And do not listen to someone else's stupid agitprop that teleportation of the fence is possible.
        Moreover, do not listen to the even more stupid agitprop that in the process of delimitation and demarcation of the border, the subjects of the Federation can be transferred entirely.

        Think, damn it. head.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 22 July 2020 20: 48 New
          +9
          Wait, I’m no longer getting the point. Here Lake Sladkoe was completely transferred to Kazakhstan during the redemarcation, although earlier the border passed through the middle of the lake. As far as I understood from your example, this is impossible. And as far as I know from history, this has already happened. Where did I go wrong?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: forty-eighth
            Lake Sladkoe was completely transferred to Kazakhstan during the redemarcation.

            ???????
            Did you get it right?
            This is simply impossible.
            Based on the definition of "redemarcation"
            1. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth 22 July 2020 20: 57 New
              +5
              So I ask that because I remember that incomprehensible story when the border passed in the middle of the lake, and from the summer of 2017 the whole lake became entirely owned by Kazakhstan. I'm already completely confused.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 July 2020 21: 01 New
                -4
                Quote: forty-eighth
                So I ask that because I remember that incomprehensible story when the border passed in the middle of the lake, and from the summer of 2017 the whole lake became entirely owned by Kazakhstan. I'm already completely confused.

                This means that the lake originally belonged entirely to Kazakhstan. And during the restoration of the border pillars, this was revealed. Someone looked sober and was surprised.

                For demarcation, like redemarcation, occurs directly on the ground
                There certainly won't be any way to move anything.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 22 July 2020 20: 26 New
        +4
        Greetings, Kamrad! hi drinks Our opinions coincide with you. I think that now it is possible to trade territories without asking anyone, the "voting" has passed, the clamps are happy with the job.
      3. dauria
        dauria 23 July 2020 00: 25 New
        0
        I am not calling anyone for anything.


        Explained correctly. Therefore, you can safely call for .. ". Give through demarcation." But not "alienation" .. laughing
        I just did not understand one thing - Russian is not the native language of our senators? Turn the law upside down. It would seem that something simpler - "You can not give, you can take" And that's it.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 22 July 2020 18: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: Simon Schempp
    This would be a law, yes, 15 years ago, how much dishonor a Russia willing to divide would have been honored!

    What is this nonsense? The text is written in black and white

    delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    That is, the Kuril Islands are an open question. Kaliningrad is an open question. Crimea is an open question. Yes, the entire border is essentially in question. And what, one wonders, does this law change? The fact that the conditional Paraguay will not be able to get the Ryazan region? It's funny.


    Nonsense is what you wrote, read what it is delimitation and how does it affect demarcation / redemarcation.. And then read the main point on alienation territories! That is, even in the process of detimitation, the process of alienation or violation of the integrity of territories is impossible .. But! Demarcation fully allows you to annex other territories to Russia by means of a treaty / delimitation.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 22 July 2020 19: 10 New
      +3
      read what delimitation is and how it affects demarcation / redemarcation

      Thank. I know what delimitation is.

      But! Demarcation fully allows you to annex other territories to Russia by means of a treaty / delimitation.

      If everything were as you say, then the law would have written like that: "it is forbidden to alienate territories, even in cases of demarcation / redemarcation. "

      But the law wrote exactly the opposite: "it is forbidden to alienate territories, but cases of demarcation / redemarcation. "
      1. Senka naughty
        Senka naughty 23 July 2020 03: 41 New
        +2
        More than one state in the world will not agree to the prohibition of delimitation in the event of the conclusion of peace treaties. Since in the event of a war and an unfavorable outcome, this country will not be able, due to amendments to the constitution, to sacrifice the occupied territory, in the name of peace and the preservation of the rest of the territories .. It was such a law that was adopted in Latvia and Lithuania, where it was forbidden for people to surrender and give their lands, for the sake of ending the war and concluding a "peace deal". Which means - in the event of a war in these countries, the complete destruction of the population and the seizure of all territories. So there is a double-edged sword, not "nonsense".
  • flicker
    flicker 22 July 2020 22: 29 New
    -2
    That is, the Kuril Islands are an open question.

    For the Kurils, the question is CLOSED. yes
    Since the border there is sea. bully
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 23 July 2020 19: 35 New
    -1
    Quote: Simon Schempp
    Kaliningrad is an open question. Crimea is an open question.

    Seriously? within the demarcation of the transfer of the federal district? nuka, strain and try to explain how wink
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 22 July 2020 17: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    And there are birds-talkers, ready to sell the country for a couple of crackers!

    Do you mean citizen Putin who handed over the island to the PRC in 2004? Or a citizen Medvedev who gave 80 thousand square kilometers to Norway?
    Yes, you are my friend, an extremist ...
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 22 July 2020 17: 37 New
      -15
      And back in 1921 they transferred to Turkey, in the 40s they exchanged with Poland, in the 50s they gave Port Arthur, later they transferred Damansky to the Chinese ...
      And this is under the USSR. Which has always been considered indestructible. But my backers don't read history ...
      1. tatra
        tatra 22 July 2020 17: 54 New
        +2
        Under Soviet rule, the territory of the USSR increased in comparison with the Russian Empire, and you, the enemies of the communists, dismembered Russia and the USSR into separate States, and you justify these crimes. And after the seizure of the republics of the USSR, they did not calm down, they began to dismember them, and seize territories from each other.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 22 July 2020 19: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: tatra
          Under Soviet rule, the territory of the USSR increased in comparison with the Russian Empire, and you, the enemies of the communists, dismembered Russia and the USSR into separate States, and you justify these crimes. And after the seizure of the republics of the USSR, they did not calm down, they began to dismember them, and seize territories from each other.

          Well yes? And Finland and Poland as part of the Russian Empire ?! Did you even finish school ?! lol
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 20 New
            +2
            It would be more correct to say part of Poland. Within the modern borders of Poland, the former Kingdom of Poland makes up slightly more than 40% of its territory.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 22 July 2020 22: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Sergej1972
              It would be more correct to say part of Poland. Within the modern borders of Poland, the former Kingdom of Poland makes up slightly more than 40% of its territory.

              Where was Warsaw? It would be correct not to lie about most of the "acquired" USSR in comparison with RI. It does not seem? wink
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 22 July 2020 23: 49 New
                +4
                Strictly speaking, the territory of the USSR in 1947 (after this year, the territory of the USSR did not grow with new lands) and the territory of the Russian Empire in 1917 were approximately equal, the USSR was even slightly larger. In the USSR there was no territory of Finland (although we returned part of the territory of the VKF in 1940-1947) and the former Kingdom of Poland, as well as Kars and Ardahan. On the other hand, the USSR included the territories of the former Bukhara Emirate and the Khiva Khanate, which depended on the Republic of Ingushetia, but were not part of its territory. And also Tuva, Eastern Galicia, Northern Bukovina, Transcarpathia, the southern part of Sakhalin (lost by the Portsmouth Peace), the Kuril Islands (most of it was transferred to Japan at the end of the 19th century under the Petersburg Treaty, and the southern part was never part of the Republic of Ingushetia), Kaliningrad region, Klaipeda (formerly Memel) with the adjacent area. Compare the territory and population of the regions of Ingushetia, which were not included in the USSR, and the regions that entered the USSR, which either never entered Ingushetia, or were lost by the empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
      2. Dr. Frankenstucker
        Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 17: 54 New
        +2
        in the 50s they gave up Port Arthur


        and this is what side to the "alienation of territories"?
      3. orionvitt
        orionvitt 22 July 2020 18: 06 New
        17
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        And this is under the USSR. Which has always been considered indestructible

        The division of the Union, from a legal point of view, is not legal. So, all "new democracies", in fact, have bird rights. Hence the conclusion, everyone who profited from territories in 91 at the expense of the former USSR, before barking, let them think carefully.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 22 July 2020 18: 40 New
          +5
          Moreover, passports of the Russian Federation are illegal .. on this basis .. And in general, not a single law adopted in the Russian Federation does not apply to a citizen of the USSR .. Have you applied for Russian citizenship? Not? Did you write a statement, on the basis of which the USSR passport was taken from you and the Russian passport was issued? Children born after the "collapse of the USSR - maybe they are citizens of the Russian Federation .. But those who were born in the USSR .. - everything is not so for them .. If everything" automatically "changed, then why the hell, then they are not automatically recorded in citizens of Russia of ALL representatives of the Union republics that were part of the USSR? Why do Russians from these republics find it difficult to confirm their citizenship if someone was automatically assigned it? Why such a marvelous selectivity? Serfs were divided? Therefore, the Central Bank is controlled by someone, because that we live in an LLC of the Russian Federation, registered in some offshore ...
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 22 July 2020 18: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Dikson
            Moreover, Russian passports are illegal .. based on this.

            On the site of the former Union, new states were formed, and only Russia took upon itself the burden of succession from the USSR, but someone had to do it. As for the former republics, they put themselves and their newly-minted citizens in such conditions. Not only has Russia paid for everyone, all the debts of the former Soviet Union, but it also has to take on the balance sheet, one hundred million, not quite adequate and not quite loyal people from the now near abroad? No, let it be yourself. Moreover, they achieved this, and now they whine about Russian citizenship. And now only Russia decides to whom to grant citizenship and to whom not. Citizenship of Russia, you still need to earn it, and give everyone, you know what will break.
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 23 July 2020 04: 31 New
              -3
              The USSR has not gone anywhere .. - the number of republics has decreased, yes .. but did Yakutia, Dagestan or Chechnya write petitions to join the Russian Federation? Not. Abkhazia or Ossetia ... Yes, the same Donetsk and Crimea .. - none of the people living there WRITTEN statements about replacing the passports of the USSR with any other .. These people, like inventory, were simply copied from one statement to another. ..
              1. orionvitt
                orionvitt 23 July 2020 11: 44 New
                +1
                And in the village of Mundyukino, there are individual citizens who consider themselves a separate nation of "Mundyukins" and demand their Mundyukin republic. So nobody asked them either. If you look into the mouths of various "Ingrian" people and the like, then there is absolutely nothing to fuss with the state. Makhno will help them.
        2. tatra
          tatra 22 July 2020 19: 32 New
          -7
          Yes, the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR denied themselves the right to own them. If they all have nothing to do with responsibility for their seizure of the republics of the USSR, then they have no right to own them either.
          1. Vestnik
            Vestnik 22 July 2020 19: 43 New
            -1
            Quote: tatra
            Yes, the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR denied themselves the right to own them. If they all have nothing to do with responsibility for their seizure of the republics of the USSR, then they have no right to own them either.

            How many of you have accumulated here with the symbols of the USSR? And the main thing is not banned, like Jews from Israel .. Unsinkable?
            And write such nonsense, Stalin would have put you against the wall long ago for insulting and betraying the Motherland under Article 58!
            1. tatra
              tatra 22 July 2020 20: 03 New
              -7
              So, at least one of the enemies of the USSR honestly admitted that all the enemies of the USSR are evil totalitarians, fiercely hating dissidents. Although calling them totalitarians means flattering them. Totalitarians say "this is good and this is bad," "these are good, and these are bad." And the enemies of the USSR, both under Soviet power and after their capture of the USSR, always have one stupid, spiteful, irrational malice AGAINST something or someone, never offering the country and the people their best alternative, and never for anything in country they do not bear the slightest responsibility. And at the same time, they also climb in droves to discuss the history and politics of their country.
              1. Vestnik
                Vestnik 22 July 2020 20: 54 New
                0
                Quote: tatra
                So, at least one of the enemies of the USSR honestly admitted that all the enemies of the USSR are evil totalitarians, fiercely hating dissidents. Although calling them totalitarians means flattering them. Totalitarians say "this is good and this is bad," "these are good, and these are bad." And the enemies of the USSR, both under Soviet power and after their capture of the USSR, always have one stupid, spiteful, irrational malice AGAINST something or someone, never offering the country and the people their best alternative, and never for anything in country they do not bear the slightest responsibility. And at the same time, they also climb in droves to discuss the history and politics of their countries.

                A purely liberal answer with inner sarcasm ..
                Here is another one with the coat of arms of the Soviet Union)))
                Quote: Alf
                The law is not retroactive.

                What did he say? )))))
                There are also about twenty of them with sivolika inhabiting and have a weight .. So they will bypass everyone here. And then, after cleaning, they start to drive here .. How would the men soak them? The Baolabols will pile up other Makhnovists as well.
                1. A good one
                  A good one 22 July 2020 21: 10 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vestnik
                  There are also about twenty of them with sivolika inhabiting and have a weight .. So they will bypass everyone here. And then, after cleaning, they start to drive here .. How would the men soak them? The Baolabols will pile up other Makhnovists as well.

                  I approve, plus you yes
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 22 July 2020 22: 51 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Not bad
                    Quote: Vestnik
                    There are also about twenty of them with sivolika inhabiting and have a weight .. So they will bypass everyone here. And then, after cleaning, they start to drive here .. How would the men soak them? The Baolabols will pile up other Makhnovists as well.

                    I approve, plus you yes

                    Viktorovich, what an interesting photo you have on your nickname. Precisely apolitical. Your children?
                  2. A good one
                    A good one 23 July 2020 08: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: Clear
                    Quote: Not bad
                    Quote: Vestnik
                    There are also about twenty of them with sivolika inhabiting and have a weight .. So they will bypass everyone here. And then, after cleaning, they start to drive here .. How would the men soak them? The Baolabols will pile up other Makhnovists as well.

                    I approve, plus you yes

                    Viktorovich, what an interesting photo you have on your nickname. Precisely apolitical. Your children?

                    And you are smart, sweet and beautiful. love
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 17 New
      +3
      Port Arthur was a leased territory from China, the transfer of which later to China's control was taken for granted.
  • Alf
    Alf 22 July 2020 18: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Odyssey
    Quote: Thrifty
    And there are birds-talkers, ready to sell the country for a couple of crackers!

    Do you mean citizen Putin who handed over the island to the PRC in 2004? Or a citizen Medvedev who gave 80 thousand square kilometers to Norway?

    The law is not retroactive.
    1. tatra
      tatra 22 July 2020 19: 35 New
      -3
      The enemies of the communists have. On January 16, 1989, a Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR is issued, canceling out-of-court decisions made in the period of the 30s - early 50s. extrajudicial "troikas" of the NKVD-UNKVD, the OGPU collegiums and "special meetings" of the NKVD-MGB-Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 23 New
        0
        Out-of-court "troikas" were actually created in violation of the then Soviet laws.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Odyssey
    Do you mean citizen Putin who handed over the island to the PRC in 2004?

    It's not him. These are especially gifted communists, who at one time managed to draw the border along the channel of the river.

    Quote: Odyssey
    Or a citizen Medvedev who gave 80 thousand square kilometers to Norway?

    And here, yes ...
    Leaked the territory.
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 July 2020 19: 16 New
      -1
      Quote: Spade
      These are especially gifted communists, who at one time managed to draw the border along the channel of the river.

      Yes, the communists are to blame, but why didn't He draw the border on THAT side of the river Himself? Didn't you want to offend your "partners"?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Alf
        Yes, the communists are to blame, but why didn't He draw the border on THAT side of the river Himself?

        How could he do it? This is their territory. For decades they almost manually changed the fairway.
        1. Alf
          Alf 22 July 2020 19: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Alf
          Yes, the communists are to blame, but why didn't He draw the border on THAT side of the river Himself?

          How could he do it? This is their territory. For decades they almost manually changed the fairway.

          So it was necessary to count from the beginning of the relief change.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Alf
            So it was necessary to count from the beginning of the relief change.

            It would be illegal. A contract is a contract.
            1. Alf
              Alf 22 July 2020 19: 24 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Alf
              So it was necessary to count from the beginning of the relief change.

              It would be illegal. A contract is a contract.

              What exactly is illegal? And what kind of contract are we talking about?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 38 New
                +3
                Quote: Alf
                And what kind of contract are we talking about?

                Signed by Gorbachev in March 1991
                1. Alf
                  Alf 22 July 2020 19: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: Alf
                  And what kind of contract are we talking about?

                  Signed by Gorbachev in March 1991

                  I don't know, in a nutshell, can I?
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 44 New
                  +4
                  It was he who signed the Khrushchev version of "along the fairway."
                  He then poured the most active of everything to China, from Afghanistan to the Vietnamese in Kampuchea. At the same time, he poked them there.
                  And then the Union collapsed, to maintain the "hydraulic confrontation" China had neither the strength nor the means, and the fairway stupidly moved

                3. Alf
                  Alf 22 July 2020 19: 46 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  It was he who signed the Khrushchev version of "along the fairway."
                  He then poured the most active of everything to China, from Afghanistan to the Vietnamese in Kampuchea. At the same time, he poked them there.
                  And then the Union collapsed, to maintain the "hydraulic confrontation" China had neither the strength nor the means, and the fairway stupidly moved

                  Clear. And then the labeled man screwed up. Why did Putin decide to change the border? No, that's all, and don't like it, your problems.
                4. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 50 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alf
                  Why did Putin decide to change the border?

                  There was no change. Legally, it turned out that Russia illegally occupied part of the territory of China.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 22 July 2020 20: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Leaked the territory.

    belay Quite the opposite. The Norgs howl at the moon and curse Stoltenberg for signing that treaty. The water area that they got turned out to be not even fishy - just water and the bottom. Well, the preferences received by the Russian Federation from this deal have already been announced many times. And yes, no one would have allowed Medvedev to give anything for "just like that", given that his task during the presidency was "to feed the dogs and not touch anything." yes
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 14 New
      +1
      Nevertheless, formally he gave away the water area.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 30 New
        +2
        But this water area was not part of our territorial waters, but was part of the exclusive economic zone, which is not part of the country's territory.
    2. Pereira
      Pereira 22 July 2020 20: 55 New
      0
      Medvedev felt better after such words. And then he was already sitting on treason.
  • tatra
    tatra 22 July 2020 20: 19 New
    -3
    There is no need to excuse Putin. He gave part of the territory of his country to another country.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 21 New
      0
      Quote: tatra
      He gave part of the territory of his country to another country.

      He returned part of the territory of this country to another country.
      Thanks to the communists ...
      1. tatra
        tatra 22 July 2020 20: 34 New
        -2
        And when did these territories belong to China before the October Revolution? The Romanovs did not give up these territories, the Communists did not give them away, even Gorbachev and Yeltsin did not give them away, but Putin did. BUT, according to the manuals of his propagandists, "it has nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame."
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: tatra
          even Gorbachev

          That's exactly what he gave.
          Communist.
          Moreover, the General Secretary of the CPSU
          1. tatra
            tatra 22 July 2020 20: 50 New
            -2
            Enough to get out. Putin gave it away - the same "communist" as Gorbachev
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 22 July 2020 22: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: tatra
              the same "communist" as Gorbachev

              The same communist as the Tatra. repeat
              Quote: tatra
              Enough to get out.

              laughing
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 23 July 2020 06: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: tatra
              Enough to get out. Putin gave it away - the same "communist" as Gorbachev

              Putin was not the General Secretary of the CPPS. So not "the same"
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 32 New
          +1
          Torubarov Island and a number of small islands around our country began to be controlled after the Soviet-Chinese conflict in 1929.
        3. flicker
          flicker 23 July 2020 17: 07 New
          +1
          China? The Romanovs did not give up these territories, the Communists did not give them away, even Gorbachev and Yeltsin did not give them away, but Putin did.
          You do not seem to understand at all what you are writing about. laughing
          Firstly, these islands of the Amur River during the period of shallow water turn into a Chinese peninsula, i.e. connect to mainland China.
          ---
          Second, the communist Gorbachev signed an agreement with China (the so-called delimitation), according to which the border between the USSR and China along the Amur River runs along the fairway, and the fairway passes between the Russian coast and these islands.
          Those. according to the already existing (since the time of Gorbachev) agreement, these islands were to belong to China.
          Those. delimation took place under Gorbachev, and Putin was only forced to legitimize the demarcation following the already existing delimitation.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 22 July 2020 21: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        He returned part of the territory of this country to another country.

        Do you mean this? laughing

        2013-2014 years.
        The Russian authorities gave Azerbaijan 3 large plots of mountain pastures. These places were used by the Lezghins for grazing livestock and agricultural needs. This is not the first territorial concession. The year before last, we recall, the Russian Federation transferred to Azerbaijan two Dagestani villages and half of the water intake of the Samur River.
        After the transfer of the villages to Azerbaijan, the inhabitants of the settlements were faced with a choice - either to accept the citizenship of Azerbaijan or to leave. Most of the residents of the village of Khrakh-Uba refused to accept Azerbaijani citizenship and decided to leave their homes, while the residents of the village of Uryan-Uba basically agreed with the conditions of the Azerbaijani side
        Source: https://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/302477/
        © Caucasian Knot
        Quote: Spade
        Thanks to the communists ...

        and thought - to the Pechenegs and Polovtsians laughing
        Stop blaming everything on the communists. There is no Union for 30 years, and something is still hindering a bad dancer
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 27 New
    +1
    The border is exactly in the middle of the river channel and must pass according to the norms of international law. Medvedev gave away part of the water area that was part of our exclusive economic zone. But the exclusive economic zone is not part of the country's territory; it is outside the territorial waters of the state.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 22 July 2020 20: 07 New
    -2
    Quote: Odyssey
    who gave 80 thousand square kilometers to Norway?

    Oh again ... laughing And how many more dense people with an old hat are worn ... request
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 July 2020 17: 32 New
    +8
    Quote: Thrifty
    Not fines, but real terms to give, without hesitation! This would be a law, yes, 15 years ago, how much dishonor a Russia willing to divide would have been honored! And there are birds-talkers, ready to sell the country for a couple of crackers!

    This law was true 30 years ago. Then the Union would not have collapsed.
  • Bad thing
    Bad thing 22 July 2020 17: 51 New
    -9
    As I understand it, the government can dispose of border areas under the guise of demarcation as it wants, but the grandfather whose fence, in the opinion of the local administration, is wrong, is an extremist.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 July 2020 18: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Bad
      As I understand it, the government can dispose of border areas under the guise of demarcation as it wants, but the grandfather whose fence, in the opinion of the local administration, is wrong, is an extremist.

      Y-yes ...
      Your understanding is very bad ...
      1. Bad thing
        Bad thing 22 July 2020 20: 01 New
        0
        No, comrade artilleryman, first figure out your concepts, and then talk about strangers. Enlighten yourself what delimitation and demarcation are, what alienation is, in the conventional sense, and then you can speculate.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 22 July 2020 20: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: Bad
          Enlighten yourself what delimitation and demarcation are, what alienation is, in the conventional sense, and then you can speculate.

          I already know this, therefore it is useless to lie to me, do not even try.

          But about "grandfather whose fence" you are trying to bring under this Law ....
          You see, when they lie like that, this is no longer propaganda. This is a failure.
  • sav
    sav 22 July 2020 19: 37 New
    +9
    At the same time, it is specified that the law does not apply to delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states.

    In fact, such a law does not protect against anything. If desired, alienation can be called whatever you want.
    1. tatra
      tatra 22 July 2020 20: 21 New
      -6
      As it is now, on this topic, Putin's propagandists justify the distribution of Russian territories by Putin to other States.
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  • Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 23 July 2020 00: 56 New
    0
    But all the same it will not work, and it would not work. The one who really can and will alienate their immunity from all and they spat on such laws.
  • Olegi1
    Olegi1 23 July 2020 02: 43 New
    0
    You - minus for the Russian language. In fact, I agree.
  • hydrox
    hydrox 23 July 2020 09: 01 New
    +3
    Excellent!
    Now we can put E. Shevardnadze on trial (virtual, but with a real sentence), and D. Medvedev under a completely real trial. Both of these figures in very similar circumstances, of their own free will, gave their counterparts (no one asked them about it, did not compel or threaten them (therefore, there was a malicious intent towards Russia)).
    Each of these liberdians gave (Shevardnadze in 1990 to the Americans, and Medvedev in 2010 to the Norwegians 80 thousand square kilometers of the Russian water area (fishing)), thereby causing billions of dollars in losses to Russia.
    D. Medvedev's guilt is aggravated by the fact that the shelf donated to the Norwegians contains at least $ 30 billion of oil and natural gas lying at shallow depths. The guilt of D. Medvedev becomes even heavier before the lonely cell, since his action completely canceled out the conclusion of an agreement with Norway on the joint development and use of raw materials from this field in the interests of both countries - at that time, the conclusion of such an agreement was very relevant for us.
    In pursuit: the Duma did not take a decision on the entry into force of these Transfer and Demarcation Agreements.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 25 July 2020 08: 58 New
      +1
      By the way, Shevardnadze did not give fishing to the Yankees on his own behalf: this Nobel scoundrel is still alive, but he is afraid to show his filthy snout to Russia, he prefers to advertise pizza in Germany, which has sheltered him - apparently, the American owners paid him very little for 80 thousand sq. ... km of Russian water area, if you have to trade with a filthy muzzle in order to live ... am
  • zenion
    zenion 23 July 2020 16: 50 New
    0
    You need to start from the zero years, there are enough people to take by the scruff of the neck.
  • Vlad T
    Vlad T 23 July 2020 20: 20 New
    -1
    With the adopted amendments to the Constitution, changes in the territory of the state are excluded. Thus, prohibiting and punishing one's opinion, which does not coincide with the laws, without violating the Constitution (the territory does not change), is redundant and restricts freedom of opinion. It seems that the deputies overdid these laws, not understanding the redundancy, which is a negative indicator of the level of the Duma's work ... So you can go somewhere with such rash efforts ...
  • ioan-e
    ioan-e 22 July 2020 17: 19 New
    14
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Here it is a democratic dialogue - through the law, as through the knee ... What would the heirs be like in blinders ...

    Are you a supporter of the distribution of Kemsky volosts?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 22 July 2020 17: 19 New
      +2
      we will reverse it
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 22 July 2020 17: 20 New
        14
        Quote: c-Petrov
        we will reverse it

        Well, let the Kharkov region give us!
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 22 July 2020 17: 29 New
          +1
          Well, let the Kharkov region give us!


          of course it will.
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 22 July 2020 18: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: ioan-e
          Well, let the Kharkov region give us!

          Why only Kharkovskaya?
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 22 July 2020 18: 09 New
            0
            Why only Kharkovskaya?

            and Odessa and Mariupol will also give. And the tricolor will hang out on the balcony


            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 22 July 2020 19: 00 New
              +2
              He will also submit an application to United Russia
          2. ioan-e
            ioan-e 23 July 2020 07: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Quote: ioan-e
            Well, let the Kharkov region give us!

            Why only Kharkovskaya?

            To start....
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 22 July 2020 17: 33 New
    +4
    Here it is a democratic dialogue - through the law, as through the knee ... What would the heirs be like in blinders ...

    Minus. Many people here do not like the fact that serious laws appear.
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 July 2020 18: 29 New
      -3
      Quote: Interlocutor
      Here it is a democratic dialogue - through the law, as through the knee ... What would the heirs be like in blinders ...

      Minus. Many people here do not like the fact that serious laws appear.

      Let's see how these "serious" laws will be implemented ...
  • Finches
    Finches 22 July 2020 17: 47 New
    +8
    Our Duma adopts a lot of populist laws, dead laws ... Just the other day in Sochi, the local mayor, under pressure from some incomprehensible Circassian diaspora, in which for some reason the citizens of Turkey got in their way, dismantled a monument to Russian heroes of the Caucasian war ... That is, some kind of local national organized crime group led by Turkish agents of influence type hinted to us that this is not the land of our country .... The law itself is correct! But Joseph Vissarionovich knew how to properly deal with extremism, but now a fine! The monument to Konev was demolished here on VOr stood, and in Sochi they demolished a monument to Russian wars silent ... Double standards are obtained! Caucasian War ...
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 22 July 2020 18: 09 New
      -6
      What, sly title of the article, and the article itself, does not reveal the real essence. In fact, they adopted a law on "calls" for alienation and on "non-recognition". For example, now those who do not recognize "Crimea" as Russian can be judged. "Cool," huh? Everything "more fun and more fun" is becoming to live in this country .. The people, like this thin, shabby cat, can only "laugh".
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 22 July 2020 18: 11 New
        -1
        For example, now those who do not recognize "Crimea" as Russian can be judged. "Cool," huh?


        upset, patriot? Normally we reset your sad tribe)
      2. Finches
        Finches 22 July 2020 18: 11 New
        +4
        hi Whoever does not recognize Crimea as Russian, I would shoot without trial or investigation ... In general, I would not even collect a triple!
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        2. Snail N9
          Snail N9 22 July 2020 18: 13 New
          -4
          Well, like, like, like this:

          hi
          1. Clear
            Clear 22 July 2020 23: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: Snail N9
            Well, like, like, like this:

            hi

            Well, what obscene photos you have ... and a terrible nickname. Carefully, the dark side of man, evil, will not let you go.
        3. Simon schempp
          Simon schempp 22 July 2020 19: 32 New
          -3
          Who does not recognize the Crimea as Russian, I would shoot without trial or investigation ...

          ahahahah
          98% of the planet will have to be shot. Will there be enough cartridges? laughing laughing
          1. Finches
            Finches 22 July 2020 19: 33 New
            +1
            I beg your pardon. Are you in a state of severe mental development characterized by an almost complete absence of thinking? What are 98% of the Earth ??? laughing
            1. Simon schempp
              Simon schempp 22 July 2020 19: 57 New
              -6
              You are in a state of severe mental development

              An anti-scientific set of words with no specific meaning. You have problems thinking.

              What are 98% of the Earth ???

              Such. List of countries that have recognized the return to their home harbor, lead?
              1. Finches
                Finches 22 July 2020 20: 10 New
                +1
                No, you are not entirely right - this is from Wikipedia - the definition is - idiocy! laughing
              2. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 07: 33 New
                +3
                what does the country have to do with it when it comes to the citizens of Russia, and what they think in Africa does not bother us
        4. Vestnik
          Vestnik 22 July 2020 19: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Finches
          hi Whoever does not recognize Crimea as Russian, I would shoot without trial or investigation ... In general, I would not even collect a triple!

          No Three is needed Eugene! Otherwise they will say abuse of authority, etc.
          Something today the liberda has gone crazy in earnest! I received manuals, especially those who have the symbols of the USSR on their avs! wassat
          If only they alternated))) And then I look at all the Russophobes terry ..
          1. Finches
            Finches 22 July 2020 19: 51 New
            -1
            Before vacation - they work out vacation pay! laughing
            1. Vestnik
              Vestnik 22 July 2020 20: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Finches
              Before vacation - they work out vacation pay! laughing

              But for sure! then there is such a hubbub laughing
          2. tatra
            tatra 22 July 2020 20: 26 New
            -6
            Ha, what are the primitive training manuals of the paid Putin propagandists — all those who are against the Yeltsin-Putin regime — "liberals and hirelings of the State Department." Since kremlebots write only what the authorities need, the authorities have even stopped pretending that they are interested in the opinion of Russian people about it.
            1. Finches
              Finches 22 July 2020 20: 51 New
              +5
              Can you say anything specifically? Anything actual? Do you write from the dungeons of Butyrka - as a victim of a "totalitarian" regime or from the Kolyma quarries?
            2. Tank hard
              Tank hard 22 July 2020 22: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: tatra
              Ha, what are the primitive training manuals of the paid Putin propagandists — all those who are against the Yeltsin-Putin regime — "liberals and hirelings of the State Department." Since kremlebots write only what the authorities need, the authorities have even stopped pretending that they are interested in the opinion of Russian people about it.

              I don't know about the Kremlin bots, but the "communists" in all their glory:

              repeat
      3. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 22 July 2020 19: 55 New
        +3
        now those who do not recognize "Crimea" as Russian can be judged.

        And it was high time, and not only in the Russian Federation, but also to take away from over the hill.
        Py Sy Crimea with a capital letter
        The name of the regions of Russia is always written with a capital letter. Also, the name of the districts is written with a capital letter.
      4. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 07: 31 New
        +1
        in general, whoever does not recognize Crimea as part of Russia must be sent to a labor camp for 6 months in Crimea
    2. Vestnik
      Vestnik 22 July 2020 18: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Finches
      Just the other day in Sochi, the local mayor, under pressure from some incomprehensible Circassian diaspora, in which for some reason the citizens of Turkey have got around to dismantle the monument to the Russian heroes of the Caucasian War ... our country...

      I read about it and was very indignant, but somehow "our media" hushed it up .. But it could be a pebble that will create an avalanche ... hi
      All these amendments and laws are now being adopted for a reason, that something is being prepared in the country like a coup or Maidan ugh it .. Russia is shaking and strong!
      Nothing will come of them, the vaccine of the 90s developed immunity for a long time.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 22 July 2020 22: 14 New
    -4
    And I like the law on "three-day voting", passed recently by the State Duma, according to which not only will they vote for 3 days, but also outside the polling stations and without a mandatory minimum turnout threshold. Now only the "right" people will be appointed / elected to "elected" posts.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 July 2020 16: 58 New
    +2
    ... At the same time, it is specified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    "They wrote beautifully! So it is understandable, sometimes similar processes take place by agreement of the parties, but still, the rumor CUTT!
    According to these amendments, a fine will be imposed for the first offense: for citizens - from 30 to 60 thousand rubles, for officials - from 60 to 100 thousand, for legal entities - from 200 to 300 thousand rubles. The amount of the fine will increase if the calls were made via the media or the Internet.
    But this is all very, very, not easy to imagine, in our reality!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 July 2020 17: 21 New
      -3
      Quote: rocket757
      hearing and CUTTING!

      But this does not cut?
      At the same time, it is clarified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2020 18: 01 New
        +3
        So, this is what he pointed out.
        In light of recent losses / gains, the balance is not in our favor.
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 July 2020 19: 49 New
          +6
          Yes, colleagues, not only does the rumor hurt, but there is a direct contradiction between the law on extremism and the constitutional norm on delimitation.
          After all, what is delimitation? This is not a border demarcation. This is the alienation of any part of the territory of one state in favor of another state on the basis of intergovernmental negotiations. The delimitation amendment was introduced into the Constitution at the suggestion of the deputy Klishas. And how can this be reconciled with the law on extremism? If Putin comes to an agreement with the Japanese on the transfer of the Kuril Islands into their possession, then according to the delimitation amendment, everything is according to the constitutional norm. Do such actions of the head of state fall under the law on extremism? No, they don't, since the constitutional norm is higher than the usual law. But how then will the law on extremism behave in relation to the Kuril residents who disagree with Putin?
          This is the contradiction between the constitutional norm and the law. The contradiction is removed if we assume that the Constitution presupposes the silence of citizens. What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull or whatever. If the USSR collapsed on the basis of the constitutional provision on the self-determination of the republics, which allows secession from the USSR, now the head of state makes the decision on the disintegration of Russia into independent parts according to the delimitation norm. Essentially alone. As he says, so be it. Well, there, the Security Council will be notified for decency. And, perhaps, they will even consult with him about the boundaries. Here is a bomb planted under the country. It turns out that the existence of Russia in one piece depends on one person. On the one hand, the law on extremism holds the country together, and on the other, the constitutional provision on delimitation allows its disintegration.

          What can you object to? Delimitation is the transfer of territory based on intergovernmental negotiations. Yes it is. Well, so tiny island states - in bulk, there are 47, maybe more. Silently, without reporting to the inhabitants (delimitation allows!), They will transfer, say, the Far East to some Nauru, and some Rotenberg will be elected President of Nauru. Given its resources.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 July 2020 20: 07 New
            +1
            So for the top and the law is that the tongue!
            They turn it to where they need it.
            Nothing new, basically.
            We have a lot of where the agreement prevails ... so in that we are to blame !!! We made the main mistake 30 years ago, and now we just make mistakes a little, a little or a little more, but once, again, many more, many times!
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 22 July 2020 22: 52 New
            +3
            Delimitation is the definition of a border on a map, demarcation is the design of a border on the ground. In practice, in the process of delimitation and demarcation, the border line is clarified, but we are talking about extremely small territories, and often on a compensation basis. That is, the border line can move several meters, or tens of meters in one direction or another. Or, for example, relatively speaking, the border runs in the middle of two approximately identical neighboring hills. They can agree, for example, that one hill is completely yours, the second is ours. Etc. The overwhelming majority of commentators on this thread do not understand the essence of the issue, unfortunately.
            1. depressant
              depressant 23 July 2020 00: 25 New
              -1
              That's great, colleague! )))
              After all, I deliberately sharpened the problem so that you could be found and competently reassure me, and along with me and other forum visitors ...
              There is only one "but". Delimitation as working with SMALL areas of the territory is just an accepted practice, which in this aspect has not even found its reflection in Wikipedia. The trouble is, practices change over time in line with the growing appetite of law enforcers, look around! My task is to call to convert a previously established application into a constant.
              1. Senka naughty
                Senka naughty 23 July 2020 04: 01 New
                0
                Delimitation does not mean "gifts" in the form of territories. It was invented for the conclusion of peace agreements, and at its core is part of the documents on the surrender of one of the parties. As at one time Germany was divided in 1945, or "dismemberment" of Yugoslavia. If you exclude delimitation from the constitution, as Latvia and Lithuania did, prohibiting citizens in wartime, to alienate territories even to conclude a "peace deal" and surrender .. In case of war, these countries will be completely captured and the population destroyed.
  • mongol9999
    mongol9999 22 July 2020 17: 03 New
    +2
    Oh well. That is, when a journalist, for example, CNN says that Crimea is a disputed territory, he will be fined? Or is it only for persons with Russian citizenship?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 22 July 2020 17: 05 New
      -18
      Of course, for their own. And the supremacy of our laws, also for our ...
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 07: 37 New
        +1
        try to say in texas about secession in favor of mexico))))
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 22 July 2020 18: 05 New
      +4
      Why not if the journalist is within our jurisdiction? Let's "dream" a little, a little.
      In principle, the practice is generally applicable, fine and ... send to house.
    3. gurzuf
      gurzuf 22 July 2020 19: 07 New
      +2
      Look - the effect of normative acts in space.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 July 2020 17: 04 New
    -5
    Did you understand correctly or not: the enemy attacked, tried to alienate the territory, was captured, will he also be judged as an extremist?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 July 2020 17: 17 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      tried to alienate the territory, was captured, will he also be tried as an extremist?

      I wonder what they will give more for, or will they be judged on two articles at once?
      1. Vestnik
        Vestnik 22 July 2020 19: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: parusnik
        tried to alienate the territory, was captured, will he also be tried as an extremist?

        I wonder what they will give more for, or will they be judged on two articles at once?

        They will interrogate and soak .. negative
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 23 July 2020 00: 40 New
      +5
      They will express concern, issue another "last Chinese warning", draw up a protocol on an administrative offense and write out a fine to begin with. Own talkers, "demarcators" and damp lust for peace treaties, of course, with lifelong "immunity" and the death mask of a "benefactor." bully
  • BAI
    BAI 22 July 2020 17: 05 New
    -11
    Any calls to separate the region or part of it from Russia are unacceptable and must be strictly suppressed

    - said the speaker of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin.

    Rare de.bi.ism. Where is the specification that this is only for citizens of Russia, on the territory of Russia? How will he imprison and fine all of Ukraine? Where will he go to Japan, where has a law been passed obliging the Japanese government to fight for the return of the islands? Where, in the end, will it go to the European Union and the UN, which do not recognize the reunification of Crimea?
    We have put Russia in splendid isolation in an idyllic position.
    1. loki565
      loki565 22 July 2020 17: 17 New
      16
      Rare de.bi.ism. Where is the specification that this is only for citizens of Russia, on the territory of Russia? How will he imprison and fine all of Ukraine? Where will he go to Japan, where has a law been passed obliging the Japanese government to fight for the return of the islands? Where, in the end, will it go to the European Union and the UN, which do not recognize the reunification of Crimea?
      We have put Russia in splendid isolation in an idyllic position.
      Well, they say there in Ukraine, is it cold or hot for you ??? but if the situation starts to shake on the territory of Russia, then responsibility comes and it does not matter which country citizen
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 22 July 2020 17: 27 New
      -1
      Quote: BAI
      We have put Russia in splendid isolation in an idyllic position.

      This law is aimed at making sure that only the right guys can trade in the Motherland. And the wrong ones should not be allowed into this business.
      That is, it is directed only inside the country, it does not apply to "respected partners".
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 22 July 2020 18: 00 New
        -2
        Quote: Odyssey
        This law is aimed at making sure that only the right guys can trade in the Motherland. And the wrong ones should not be allowed into this business.

        Perfectly formulated !!! + 100500 So we have come to the final point of the plan for the disposal of Russia.
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 23 July 2020 00: 46 New
        +6
        And the wrong ones should not be allowed into this business.

        That's why he is "family". hi

        That is, it is directed only inside the country, it does not apply to "respected partners".

        This is how you need to dodge in order to fuck yourself? bully
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 22 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      Rare de.bi.ism. Where is the specification that this is only for citizens of Russia, on the territory of Russia?

      But it is understandable as regards the citizens of Russia. Russian laws apply on the territory of Russia.
      Why are you not outraged about ISIS sponsorship (banned in Russia)? And what are they going to do with all those countries that ISIS somehow support?
      Or about justifying Nazism. For some reason you do not propose to catch everyone who cultivates Nazism in one way or another and uses the swastika. For example Bundstver.
      Heard the ringing, but from where, you no longer care. It is important to resent as soon and louder.
      1. BAI
        BAI 22 July 2020 17: 54 New
        -5
        But it is understandable as regards the citizens of Russia.

        Why would Mr. Volodin happily assert that Russia will now have the opportunity to prosecute foreign citizens and demand their extradition to Russia?
        Why are you not outraged about ISIS sponsorship (banned in Russia)?
        Or about justifying Nazism.

        More examples of ill-conceived, stillborn laws, adopted by an enraged printer to please the momentary political situation. They work selectively on request.
        And what are they going to do with all those countries that ISIS somehow support?

        Yes, to the same place as those countries that do not support the annexation of Crimea.
        It is important to resent as soon and louder.

        It is important to pass thoughtful, working laws. And not to crow, and there, though, do not dawn.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 22 July 2020 18: 16 New
          +2
          Are you so aggressive, pinched your finger? However, you may not answer. Your position is already clear: whoever disagrees with you is your enemy, zombified, bought, simply does not understand anything, and so on, and so forth, and so on.
        2. Alf
          Alf 22 July 2020 18: 32 New
          0
          Quote: BAI
          will Russia now have the opportunity to prosecute foreign citizens and demand their extradition to Russia?

          Berezovsky was demanded to return for 20 years ...
          1. Vestnik
            Vestnik 22 July 2020 18: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: BAI
            will Russia now have the opportunity to prosecute foreign citizens and demand their extradition to Russia?

            Berezovsky was demanded to return for 20 years ...

            Well, they returned from heaven to earth)))) He doesn't even have a normal grave, so there is a plate ..))))
            The dudes got loose and their own banged wink
            1. Alf
              Alf 22 July 2020 18: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Vestnik
              Well, they returned from heaven to earth

              But technically, the Britons sent us for ... twenty years.
              1. Vestnik
                Vestnik 22 July 2020 19: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: Vestnik
                Well, they returned from heaven to earth

                But technically, the Britons sent us for ... twenty years.

                Of course, even now they have there in London, "our thieves' raspberry" is sitting out with the loot .. They began to pinch them there, as if from where the wealth show the information .. Oh no, so we confiscate EVERYTHING in our budget and send the hicks to Russia What did you think of? laughing
                It is still difficult for Russia to demand something, we are still weak, but we will be able to give it in the face and have something. hi
                1. Alf
                  Alf 22 July 2020 19: 13 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Vestnik
                  It is still difficult for Russia to demand something, we are still weak

                  And who prevented the muscle from pumping up in the "fat years"?
                  Quote: Vestnik
                  but we can give in the face and have something.

                  Do not be like those who sculpt the inscription on cars - We can repeat.
                  1. Vestnik
                    Vestnik 22 July 2020 20: 06 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alf
                    Do not be like those who sculpt the inscription on cars - We can repeat.

                    Well, everything is clear with you .. It is necessary to sculpt "I furgal and down with the bloody regime" ..he he laughing How dodgy you are here, but how easy is it to calculate liberians ..)))
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 22 July 2020 20: 40 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Vestnik
                      You need to sculpt "I am a van and down with the bloody regime"

                      So sculpt yourself. you can even put it on the refrigerator.
                      Quote: Vestnik
                      but how easy is it to calculate libers ..)))

                      It's just that unlike you like you, I don't consider myself a zaputin, because I took off my rose-colored glasses back in 2000.
        3. New
          New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 14 New
          -1
          Quote: BAI
          Why would Mr. Volodin happily assert that Russia will now have the opportunity to prosecute foreign citizens and demand their extradition to Russia?

          what can't you say in a fit of flattery laughing
          What will he say to the desire to prosecute members of the United Russia Party and himself abroad?
          1. Alf
            Alf 22 July 2020 19: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            What will he say to the desire to prosecute members of the United Russia Party and himself abroad?

            That all this is directed against Russia and the people need to unite even more strongly with the leader ...
            1. Vestnik
              Vestnik 22 July 2020 20: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Silvestr
              what can not be said in a fit of flattery laughing
              What will he say to the desire to prosecute members of the United Russia Party and himself abroad?

              You will be talking here ..
              Quote: Alf
              That all this is directed against Russia and the people need to unite even more strongly with the leader ...

              Which leader? I almost choked on "Vasily USSR".)))))
              You sarcastically assigned that name to yourself and the attributes of the Soviet Union?
              All kidding, well, well ..
    4. orionvitt
      orionvitt 22 July 2020 18: 21 New
      -1
      Japan, Ukraine, someone else is dissatisfied with something. Send everyone away. And they will arise, on the sopatka. This is the policy of a strong power. Just like that, no one, nothing, no one alienates. All redistributions of borders (at least with regard to Russia) occur as a result, either of the close and aggressive policy of unreasonable neighbors, which sometimes need to be put in place, or as a result of global cataclysms, such as world war. In any case, only by the right of the strong. And to listen to the whine and go on about some incomprehensible democratic "values", and even not clear from whom (like the Balts), is somehow even humiliating. It has always been and will be so, and whoever starts playing at democracy and political correctness usually loses everything. Well, or almost everything, we have seen already, in our lifetime.
      1. New
        New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: orionvitt
        This is the policy of a strong power.

        Curiously, what characterizes a "strong power"?
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 22 July 2020 19: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Silvestr
          Curiously, what characterizes a "strong power"?

          If you do not understand such simple things, I will explain. A strong power is one that defends its interests. Sometimes you don't even give a damn about what others think and want (these others have a lot of wishes). You won't please everyone, especially if you listen to what all kinds of democracy carriers and their jackals want from Russia. And you probably think you need to listen to the so-called "world community" and "progressive humanity" in everything? Do you have these? Then you cannot understand.
          1. New
            New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 53 New
            -2
            Quote: orionvitt
            A strong power is one that defends its interests.

            unquestionably
            Quote: orionvitt
            Sometimes even giving a damn about what others think and want (these others have a lot of wants)

            but it is very expensive
            Quote: orionvitt
            And you probably think you need to listen to the so-called "world community" and "progressive humanity" in everything?

            I believe that first you need to sweep the floor in the house, patch up the roof, feed, clothe and give work to the household, and not do the opposite, proving to someone that you are the navel of the earth
            Quote: orionvitt
            when you don’t understand.

            that's for sure! Hit your own. for strangers to be afraid
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 23 July 2020 11: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              I believe that first you need to sweep the floor in the house, patch up the roof, feed, clothe and give work to the household, and not do the opposite,

              Well, that's enough rubbish already. Even liberals of all stripes, squeaking at their hearts, admit that the average Russian has never lived as well as under Putin. Not under the "blessed" 90s, not under Soviet Russia, and even less so under Tsarist Russia. If you are an honest person, then you admit it. If not, then you are an ordinary liberal balabol who is constantly dissatisfied with something.
          2. Dangerous
            Dangerous 23 July 2020 22: 25 New
            -1
            Quote: orionvitt
            Sometimes even giving a damn about what others think and want (these others have a lot of wants)
            Well, yes, apparently because the Savings Bank and three mobile operators did not appear in Crimea for 6 years
        2. Vestnik
          Vestnik 22 July 2020 20: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: orionvitt
          This is the policy of a strong power.

          Curiously, what characterizes a "strong power"?

          When people like you run away from Russia! The whining of liberals has always ruined Russia and threw it into bloody confusion ... But what is interesting, these callers and whining were the very first ones who managed to escape and whine again from abroad, you misunderstood us and in general Russia is a backward country there is no human rights there, etc. ... Ugh damn
          1. New
            New Year day 22 July 2020 20: 21 New
            -3
            Quote: Vestnik
            When people like you run away from Russia!

            why are you so confident? Have they taken God by the beard?
            Quote: Vestnik
            The whining of liberals has always ruined Russia and threw it into bloody turmoil

            indisputably! EBN, GDP and Co.!
            Quote: Vestnik
            and in general Russia is a backward country there is no human rights there, etc.

            so prove otherwise laughing
            In terms of living standards, at the end of 2019, Russia is 59th out of 71 nominee countries!
            Really, there is something to be proud of laughing After all, our neighbors in this rating are Pakistan and Indonesia
    5. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 07: 38 New
      +1
      the law operates on the territory of Russia and what is there in Africa nobody cares about
  • Svarog
    Svarog 22 July 2020 17: 10 New
    -7
    At the same time, it is clarified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    Border delimitation determination of the general position and direction of the state border between neighboring states through negotiations.
    Delimitation orders are usually an integral part of peace treaties or special agreements on the establishment or change of state borders.
    People are confused in terms of .. what if delimitation happens?
  • Dikson
    Dikson 22 July 2020 17: 16 New
    -11
    Well, that is, if I am a Chinese and cut myself a piece of Buryatia, for example, or the Chita region, then nothing will happen to me, because this law only applies to citizens of the Russian Federation? Does it apply to presidents and ex-presidents? Someone not so long ago gave Norway something .. And China ... Again, if I am Chinese, and there are a lot of us in a separate region of the Far East .. - can we hold a referendum and secede? Self-determination .. Create a certain Chinese district ... with its own self-government ..
    1. mark2
      mark2 22 July 2020 17: 30 New
      +7
      Well, that is, if I am Chinese

      Are you Chinese?
      I cut myself a piece of Buryatia, for example, or the Chita region, then nothing will happen to me

      There will be war. Or other laws will come into force that regulate controversial issues by territories.
      because this law applies to citizens of the Russian Federation only

      Why are you all alarmed here? This law will be applied to all citizens and non-citizens who, being on the territory of the Russian Federation, call for the "Kemsk volost" to be given. It's like they talked with spies here, here they were convicted and imprisoned. And then they exchanged it.
      Does it apply to presidents and ex-presidents? Someone recently gave something to Norway ..


      The law comes into force from the date of its publication or from the date specified in the law itself. It acts on future innuendo. Doesn't affect the past. What was passed. Have you staked out a place for yourself on the land of Franz Josef?
      Presidents should be free in making decisions and not be subject to jurisdiction after the rule, otherwise they will not do anything at all.
      There are a lot of dreamers to put old Gorbachev in prison for the past. And why in the past, when he did not overthrow all this? So it was approved? A good dinner spoon.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 22 July 2020 17: 36 New
        -2
        No, no .. I will definitely not post it at the FFI .. Here on the Bolshevik Island - this is Severnaya Zemlya .. - there it would be happy to self-determine .. There gold - in the right place with a Caterpillar scrub - and you can take 17 kilograms right away ..)) ) But who will let go there, for self-determination? )))
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 22 July 2020 18: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: mark2
        Why are you all alarmed here?
        Now, perhaps, they will more often answer a question with a question like
        -Whose Crimea?
        -And who asks me about this?
    2. loki565
      loki565 22 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +4
      Well, that is, if I am a Chinese and cut myself a piece of Buryatia, for example, or the Chita region, then nothing will happen to me, because this law only applies to citizens of the Russian Federation?
      If you are on the territory of the Russian Federation then "will")))
      Again, if I am Chinese, and there are a lot of us in a separate region of the Far East ... - can we hold a referendum and secede?

      To do this, you need to be a citizen of the Russian Federation, and there already see point 1, in general, a vicious circle)))
    3. Dikson
      Dikson 24 July 2020 09: 07 New
      -1
      All gentlemen minusers ...)) The Chinese do not have to separate a piece of Buryatia or Chita ..- "The Ministry of Natural Resources of the Russian Federation signed an agreement with the Department of Land Resources of the State Council of China to lease 3,5 million hectares of land to Beijing at 6,53 rubles per 1 hectares for 125 years, 70% of the transferred territories are forest, the Xinhua news agency reports ... And so, yes .. - minus ... this will undoubtedly change a lot in what is happening on our land ... it costs then, 6 rubles per hectare .. for non-citizens of our country ..)))
  • Yves762
    Yves762 22 July 2020 17: 19 New
    -5
    Pfff .... laughing
    But what about the “right of the people”, according to which Crimea “deserted” from Ukraine.? what
    1. mark2
      mark2 22 July 2020 17: 39 New
      -4
      Ukrainians did not hurry up in time, and now the train has left. And now about self-determination. There is no self-determination, there are those who benefit from a herd of sheep, who were told that it is beneficial for them.
      1. Yves762
        Yves762 22 July 2020 17: 42 New
        -2
        It was "rhetorical banter", Cap .... wassat
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 22 July 2020 17: 23 New
    -7
    At the same time, it is clarified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    Well, actually, who would have doubted? Populist law exclusively for domestic consumption.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 22 July 2020 17: 24 New
    -4
    Hee-hee ... Ha-ha ... laughing

    Here, the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation passed through the "vote" ... and the very first legislative initiatives from the "servants of the people" are the prohibition of transsexuals after changing the sex in their passports and confirmation of what happened before - for calling for the sale of the Motherland - article RF Criminal Code wassat

    Our "servants of the people" clearly have nothing to do !!! they are fine!!! am

    Where are the new laws, what would, according to the new Constitution:
    - the minimum wage was equal to the minimum living wage - and the cost of living was equal to the REAL LIVING STANDARD - purely soooo, by the way, right now, so that an adult man could not get a job LESS than 25 thousand rubles ?!
    - the minimum pension was equal to the minimum subsistence level of pensioners - this is at least 20 thousand rubles ???
    - where are the laws, as, for example, in Belarus - where a mother of 3 children can forget about work before they enter school - because her "job" is raising children !?

    etc lol
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 28 New
      -1
      An hour and a half ago I saw on TV over tea how the joyful Volodin, before this thought went on vacation, promised the people that in the fall they would begin to work for our good with tenfold strength. He was smiling from ear to ear.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 30 New
      -1
      What they have in mind, they do. With our ram connivance.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 22 July 2020 17: 24 New
    0
    This law is very beneficial to the "Lake cooperative".
    1) In fact, it facilitates trade in the territories of the Russian Federation under the guise of "border delimitation".
    2) At the same time, given the general extreme difficult situation in the Russian Federation, regional separatism is becoming more and more active. This law will be directed against the "competing firm" represented by regional politicians and citizens with the slogans "enough to feed Moscow".
    The general principle is simple, "this is my cow, and I milk it."
    1. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 22 July 2020 17: 37 New
      +4
      "enough to feed Moscow"

      Breadwinner on laughing lol laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 22 July 2020 17: 33 New
    -3
    It is clear: how the "people" will vote - so it will be.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 25 New
      -4
      It is clear: how the "people" will vote - so it will be.

      As people sit out in the bushes, so it will be that all for these.
      1. iouris
        iouris 22 July 2020 19: 04 New
        -4
        Whoever votes is the "people". These "people" do not sit out "in the bushes", they are always in sight: sit down or go on vacation. Business - time, fun - (parliamentary) hour.
      2. New
        New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 17 New
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        As people sit out in the bushes, so it will be that all for these.

        maybe the people deserve the power they have?
  • flicker
    flicker 22 July 2020 17: 38 New
    +5
    According to these amendments, a fine will be imposed for the first offense: for citizens - from 30 to 60 thousand rubles, for officials - from 60 to 100 thousand, for legal entities - from 200 to 300 thousand rubles.

    It may be necessary to pass a law on fines for unauthorized rallies.
    And even heavy fines from those who provoked unauthorized rallies.
    And with the money raised, you can build gyms, playgrounds, help the poor, and so on.
    1. mark2
      mark2 22 July 2020 17: 43 New
      0
      It may be necessary to pass a law on fines for unauthorized rallies.

      For this already there. That is why FBK has merged. 89 million. He needs to be paid.
    2. Prahlad
      Prahlad 22 July 2020 17: 47 New
      -4
      You walk down the street, and there is a rally, in the bus and the fine is fine.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 20 New
        -4
        No need to walk the streets, Prahlad. It takes a couple of times all people to go to the polls and sweep all these Volodya, klishas and K out of power.
        1. Alf
          Alf 22 July 2020 18: 37 New
          0
          Quote: NordUral
          It is necessary a couple of times with all the people to go to the polls and sweep all these Volodya, klishas and K out of power.

          It is possible at least 10 times with the whole crowd to fill up the electoral center, and in the evening to find out that 146% voted for the preservation of power.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 51 New
            -1
            It is possible that these will do so. But it is necessary not only for everyone to vote, but also to arrange turnout control. And also - a parallel poll at the exit, anonymous how he voted.
            If it comes to everyone that his future, the future of his children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren depends on him, and he is not indifferent to this future, then you can spend a few days in your life on sweeping these people out of power.
            1. Alf
              Alf 22 July 2020 18: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: NordUral
              and arrange the turnout control.

              And how to do it with ELECTRONIC voting?
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 56 New
                -3
                And how to do it with ELECTRONIC voting?

                1. Fight against him. 2. Break your head, there are no unsolvable problems.
          2. New
            New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Alf
            It is possible at least 10 times with the whole crowd to fill up the electoral center, and in the evening to find out that 146% voted for the preservation of power.

            now it is not necessary. According to the new law, it is possible to elect deputies sitting in the toilet and nodding their heads towards the box, especially since it will not be known who will count for several days laughing The idea of ​​elections is dead request
      2. Region68
        Region68 23 July 2020 05: 20 New
        -2
        The penalty is not so bad ... or maybe so ... I looked at the phone, the National Guards decided that you were doing something wrong there, they rushed at you, but unsuccessfully and one shoulder hurt yourself ..
        And now they are asking you for a three-ruble note.
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 22 July 2020 17: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: flicker
      It may be necessary to pass a law on fines for unauthorized rallies.

      Right ! In general, all these rallies need to be banned. Oh, look, the vile people take to the streets. Dissatisfied with something else. And all the money must be immediately given to Putin and Vekselberg. They are patriots, they will clearly dispose of them.
      Until they liquidate Russia and steal the last ruble, the process must continue!
      1. flicker
        flicker 22 July 2020 22: 16 New
        +3
        In general, all these rallies need to be banned.
        What are you so worried about?
        Do you yourself take part in the rallies?
        If not, then don't worry.
        If so, where and when?
        bully
    4. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 July 2020 18: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: flicker
      It may be necessary to pass a law on fines for unauthorized rallies.
      And even heavy fines from those who provoked unauthorized rallies.

      Let's shoot them all at once and only you will remain.
      Quote: flicker
      And with the money raised, you can build gyms, playgrounds, help the poor, etc.

      The proceeds are still stolen, but you are not going to touch the thieves, but only those who point to these same thieves. prala?
    5. NordUral
      NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 22 New
      -1
      And with the money raised, you can build gyms, playgrounds, help the poor, and so on.
      These are dumb - children on playgrounds and money for treatment.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 July 2020 17: 45 New
    -1
    Normalek, the topic of the alienation of Russian territories disappears! Especially on the always screaming so-called talk shows, on the Russian central channels. Maybe these shows will be closed? lol
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 22 July 2020 17: 52 New
    0
    Why this federal law, if the prohibition has already been written down in the Constitution? IBD?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 22 July 2020 17: 58 New
      -2
      then, so that no Khabarovsk wants to play in a separate region .. - that's for the calls to separate from Moscow and will punish all those who want self-determination in the above ways ..)
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 22 July 2020 18: 04 New
        +4
        Even did not hear that there were slogans for secession from the Russian Federation at the rallies .. but if against those who want to leave the Russian Federation, that Chechnya, that Khabarovsk .. then it’s right .. although I don’t think that Khabarovsk residents will benefit from secession .. subsidized region .. in Russia is definitely better for them .. in general I agree with you .. those who want to go out are extremists.
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 22 July 2020 18: 26 New
          -6
          And the slogans "enough to feed Moscow" were there? - Here's an article for this case drawn .. - separatism and this ... how his .. alienation!
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 22 July 2020 18: 10 New
      -4
      [quote = 2nd level advisor] Why this federal law, if the prohibition is already written in the Constitution? IBD?
      And this law just allows trading in the border regions of the Motherland, only not to everyone, but to the chosen, "right" people.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 July 2020 18: 07 New
    0
    A mockery of their own population to terrorism do not want to accept? Or if we are a corian base for them, then no questions - they don't ask the cattle.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 15 New
      -2
      We're not even a brute for these. Cattle are well fed for slaughter.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 22 July 2020 18: 13 New
    -3
    At the same time, it is clarified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    That nullifies it all blah blah.
  • Vestnik
    Vestnik 22 July 2020 18: 18 New
    +2
    And they will understand that this is punished very seriously. Any calls to separate the region or part of it from Russia are unacceptable and must be strictly suppressed

    Good law! I remember this was happening in the media ..Type Russia is divided into principalities .. Siberian republics, etc. And all this was discussed in all seriousness, already under Putin in Libersmi .. Now, probably in the Khabarovsk Territory, these calls are coming, like a referendum and with all the consequences .. NO "Messrs. Liebermans" you will not get anything!
  • north 2
    north 2 22 July 2020 18: 21 New
    +2
    first there must be a court that must figure out how it happened that Russia ended up in the current
    state borders. After all, there are official documents that Russia has declared itself the legal successor of the USSR. And the territory of the USSR is not the territory of the Russian SSR and not the Russian Federation. And the court must declare
    that for Russia there is not only the succession of the USSR, but the continuity of the USSR, and the traitor Yeltsin
    announced only succession. In order not to give up or alienate our territories in the future, it is necessary from the beginning to return those territories of Russia that Yeltsin took from her in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 July 2020 18: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: North 2
      In order not to give up or alienate our territories in the future, it is necessary from the beginning to return those territories of Russia that Yeltsin took from her in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.

      And return those that Tandem generously gave.
  • Simon
    Simon 22 July 2020 18: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
    Get the fuck out of these agreements and return the Russian lands.


    the purely procedural part interests. Can you share how the "Russian lands" gathered to return? And how wide are your appetites?

    And Crimea, as it came - here's the procedure! It would not hurt to accept Donetsk and Lugansk in this way.
    1. New
      New Year day 22 July 2020 19: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: Simon
      It would not hurt to accept Donetsk and Lugansk in this way.

      so what's up? The massacre has been going on there for 6 years, "" but things are still there "
  • vavilon
    vavilon 22 July 2020 18: 31 New
    +4
    Shouldn't this law be applied to figures of the 90s
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 July 2020 18: 48 New
      -5
      Quote: vavilon
      Shouldn't this law be applied to figures of the 90s

      "We don't hand over our own" ... "Boris Nikolayevich did a difficult, albeit unpleasant job, but someone still had to do it" ...
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 22 July 2020 19: 25 New
        +4
        Yes, our Boris has Nick. worked well especially after drinking a bottle
  • vavilon
    vavilon 22 July 2020 18: 33 New
    -1
    Andreevsky. Flag returned
    It remains to return only the lost territories - Ukraine, the Baltic States, Finland and the Asian republics and then justice will prevail
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 22 July 2020 18: 47 New
    -3
    Good law! Don't let the figs dissolve languages ​​about squandering Russian territories! Moreover - to promote and help this !!!
  • Million
    Million 22 July 2020 18: 52 New
    0
    And the Vkontakte boys will be fined ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 July 2020 19: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Million
      And the Vkontakte boys will be fined ...

      So there is no need to run after them, and they are defenseless, they will not impose sanctions and personal accounts will not be arrested. You can beat your own, so that strangers are afraid ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 July 2020 23: 03 New
      +2
      Do these guys have a head on their shoulders?
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 22 July 2020 19: 04 New
    0
    it turns out that even the negotiations on the Kurils themselves are already equated with extremism, so we'll see.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 22 July 2020 19: 40 New
    -1
    What about the alienation of natural resources?
    1. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 22 July 2020 21: 12 New
      -2
      It is necessary to turn to the USSR. They pumped oil to the west in full for buns.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 22 July 2020 19: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: Spade
    Quote: Dr. Frankenstucker
    What about the recipe? Can you share the "return" methodology?

    "Polite people", referendum, new territories. It seems that everything is not a surface, you just have to think a little.

    Polite people gave a ride only in Crimea and only in the moment of weakness and uncertainty of the new government in Kiev. They also tried it in Donbass. And what did you get? A devastated region and thousands killed, and sanctions. Where will you introduce the polite again? There will be no more stupor and fear of shooting. Neither in Belarus nor in the Baltics. The train left.
  • Karaul73
    Karaul73 22 July 2020 19: 44 New
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    Quote: vavilon
    Andreevsky. Flag returned
    It remains to return only the lost territories - Ukraine, the Baltic States, Finland and the Asian republics and then justice will prevail

    Sugar, sugar, sugar! Repeat more often and believe honey, believe!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 22 July 2020 19: 45 New
    +1
    At the same time, it is clarified that delimitation, demarcation, redemarcation of the state border of Russia with neighboring states are not subject to the law.

    And so I wanted to attract those responsible for the return of the sea territories in the north ... crying
  • tatra
    tatra 22 July 2020 20: 40 New
    -3
    And no matter how the enemies of the communists get out, this law is political repression.
  • Sasha Minakov
    Sasha Minakov 22 July 2020 21: 11 New
    0
    Shortage.
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 22 July 2020 21: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: unaha
    It also became interesting, "ours" - who is it, are you about yourself in the 3rd kind? And "once" is when?

    In Israel, at your request, we will leave capitalism with the "holy and invisible hand of the market" for edification ...
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 22 July 2020 21: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Spade
    These are especially gifted communists, who at one time managed to draw the border along the channel of the river.

    Yes, the communists are to blame, but why didn't He draw the border on THAT side of the river Himself? Didn't you want to offend your "partners"?

    Is the referendum retroactive? Does Alaska have the right to a referendum on democracy? Matsmai?
  • And Makarov
    And Makarov 22 July 2020 21: 51 New
    +6
    Why introduce exceptions to the law? After all, it becomes possible to bypass it. Or is it calculated?
    1. Alf
      Alf 22 July 2020 22: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: A Makarov
      Why introduce exceptions to the law? After all, it becomes possible to bypass it. Or is it calculated?

      Actually, that's what it was written for.
  • Serhio Dias_2
    Serhio Dias_2 22 July 2020 22: 00 New
    -3
    In short, the peoples of the Russian Federation have no rights to self-determination. It's like living in the Federation))
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 July 2020 23: 06 New
      +3
      Calm down, there is no such right in the United States, India, Pakistan, or other federations.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 22 July 2020 22: 06 New
    -4
    Quote: NordUral
    An hour and a half ago I saw on TV over tea how the joyful Volodin, before this thought went on vacation, promised the people that in the fall they would begin to work for our good with tenfold strength. He was smiling from ear to ear.

    Yeah ... exactly right laughing What else did we have urgently under the amendments? And, remember - to equate pets with the rights of people like? recourse So, in the fall we expect that my dog ​​will be equated to my rights bully And the rest of the laws will wait, sir fool
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 22 July 2020 23: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Crown without virus
      So, in the fall we expect that my dog ​​will be equated to my rights

      The opposite is true. Your rights will be reduced to the rights of a dog.
  • Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 22 July 2020 22: 26 New
    +3
    It is right. Hopefully now no one even thinks about the transfer of the Kuril Islands, or their part of Japan!
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 22 July 2020 23: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: Tank Hard
    What's wrong? What's burning? I was in the Ukrainian Crimea, then in the Russian, in the Russian version Crimea became better. To say the opposite, either the individual was neither there nor there, or the individual, pursuing certain goals, is telling a lie.
    I am also glad that Crimea is ours, but now I returned from there (from 2 to 16 I was in Alushta and Yalta), talked to the people (taxi drivers, sellers, waiters), and it turned out that people mostly say that the economic situation has worsened over the past 6 years, and on the contrary, corruption has grown, many have their businesses taken away, prices for everything have increased several times, etc. In general, not everything is so rosy in the region as the authorities and the official media present us.
    ps I say it again, I only conveyed the opinion of the mood of the local people.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 23 July 2020 01: 45 New
      +8
      Quote: 72jora72
      , and it turned out that people for the most part say that the economic situation has worsened over the past 6 years, and corruption, on the contrary, has grown, many have their businesses taken away, prices for everything have increased several times, etc. In general, not everything is so rosy in the region as the authorities and the official media present us.
      ps I say it again, I only conveyed the opinion of the mood of the local people.

      You described everything correctly, in Crimea everything is very ambiguous, I am even ashamed to write what they say there. and many locals try to have two passports.
  • DPN
    DPN 23 July 2020 00: 40 New
    +2
    YOU don’t tell me, but who does such alienation ??? - only the power and in any case the CONSTITUTION will not interfere with it. If there is a concept in the head of the country-territory, you cannot trade, that is, and if not, then no Constitution will help.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 23 July 2020 01: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: Odyssey
    Quote: Crown without virus
    So, in the fall we expect that my dog ​​will be equated to my rights

    The opposite is true. Your rights will be reduced to the rights of a dog.

    Unfortunately, even before the amendments, my dog ​​had more rights than me bully
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 23 July 2020 06: 42 New
    0
    Freedom of speech...
    Give me back my 2000s, the most sane time in the country. In those days, you shouldn't have been afraid to sit down because you don't like the power, for jokes with ... (ahh, now for such jokes from 30k, so).
    Article 29 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - it is easy. No freedom of speech for you! As for thoughts, there is still a question, the day is not far off when they will be imprisoned for thoughts.
    What is the next law? Thank you for at least breathing without a penalty. Although, if there is no fine, then there will certainly be a tax.
  • Clueless
    Clueless 23 July 2020 07: 33 New
    0
    Such laws are always "touched". Why dialogue, why discussion, etc. Let us force our decision.
    And now let's imagine some Hitler comes to Power and, for example, squeezes out a part of a country. And just try to open your mouth ...

    Any law of this kind can play a very "cruel joke" with us. Don't believe me? Yes, it's easy - they break your social network, write slogans that give some part of Russia and you fly off to the bunk. The court will not really understand whether they broke you or not, was there a post? Was. Well, sit now.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 July 2020 12: 28 New
    0
    I’m not Yeltsin or Gaidar to wish my country the return of my land.
  • AML
    AML 23 July 2020 20: 43 New
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    Quote: Senka Naughty
    More than one state in the world will not agree to the prohibition of delimitation in the event of the conclusion of peace treaties. Since in the event of war and an unfavorable outcome, this country will not be able to due to amendments to the constitution,

    In case of war, the constitution walks through the forest.