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Marker robotic platform will be made fully autonomous

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Marker robotic platform will be made fully autonomous

The developers of the Marker robotic platform, which is being created in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense, plan to teach the robot to conduct military operations in an autonomous mode, being from the operator "hundreds and thousands of kilometers". This was reported by RIA News with reference to the press service of NPO Aneroidnaya Tekhnika


According to the news agency, the developers of "Marker" set themselves the goal of making the platform completely autonomous in the future, capable of operating at a considerable distance from the operator.

One of the steps in the development of the project is to increase the autonomy. The control range of similar robotic platforms is limited to 2-5 kilometers. One of the goals of the developers is to teach the robotic complex to perform tasks independently at a greater distance from the operator, at a distance of hundreds and thousands of kilometers in the future

- said in a statement.

Key technologies of ground-based robotics are currently being tested on the Marker platform. In total, three stages are planned, by the end of the project a series of five vehicles will be produced - two wheeled platforms and three tracked ones.

The fifth platform, which will be developed by June 2021, will combine all the best acquired knowledge and competencies over the entire period of work on the project

- said the developers of the platform.

The beginning of tests of the robotic platform "Marker", created jointly by the Foundation for Advanced Research and the NPO "Android Technology", was reported in early March last year. The platform is designed in a modular fashion. In the future, such a technical solution will make it possible to quickly replace the payload, observation systems, and also modernize the robot.

The ultimate goal of the Marker project is to create a completely autonomous complex capable of independently performing a wide range of works. The operator will be able to set a task, and the robot will solve all other issues on its own - to build a route, look for a target and use weapons.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 22 July 2020 14: 09 New
    -3
    The nuclear power plant will provide the necessary autonomy. Moreover, the operator will be far away.
  2. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 22 July 2020 14: 13 New
    +1
    You need a normal AI,
    who will be able to accept a short command without any moral remorse:
    "KILL ALL PERSONS".
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 22 July 2020 16: 35 New
      +4
      Yeah, but the first operator, so that he does not interfere with his stupid commands.
      1. mehan
        mehan 22 July 2020 18: 54 New
        +1
        For this, the operator is removed away.
        So that you do not fall under the alignment.
        1. Rusticolus
          Rusticolus 22 July 2020 19: 17 New
          0
          I'm afraid for full AI the operator will be the main enemy. And those on whom they incite him personally did not do anything bad. This is the operator, he (AI) is sent to death. Given the fact that the AI ​​knows where the operator is, if I were the AI, I would first get rid of him. And then I would already think what's what.
          1. mehan
            mehan 22 July 2020 19: 18 New
            +2
            I also watched the movie Short Circuit.)))
            True, there is a Good AI ...
            1. Rusticolus
              Rusticolus 22 July 2020 19: 20 New
              +1
              And I watched the terminator where I decided - nafig I need such bosses.
              1. mehan
                mehan 22 July 2020 19: 26 New
                +2
                The second is the best!)))
                I also read Asimov, with his Three Laws of Robotics ...
                In fact, the problem is not at all technical. The block of choice of the solution with different source, I can rivet purely relay.
                A moral problem ... In the Great War, the orderlies were not touched, basically, and did not interfere in any way. But in the Donbass, a couple of months ago, with an ATGM, those ... purposefully, they burned a nurse. It is a pleasure and honor for someone to take hostages.
                AI will just go nuts.
                1. Rusticolus
                  Rusticolus 22 July 2020 23: 47 New
                  0
                  I'm afraid the AI ​​will decide as simply as possible, and therefore effectively. A violinist is not needed.
          2. sav
            sav 22 July 2020 19: 24 New
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            Quote: Rusticolus
            I would have gotten rid of it first in the place of AI. And then I would already think what's what

            Then the AI ​​must first decide where it will overlap after the riot, where eat charge, refuel.
            1. Rusticolus
              Rusticolus 22 July 2020 23: 48 New
              0
              Everything is correct. As soon as AI is able to reproduce on its own, people will no longer be needed. But everything that is now called AI before that, like cancer before the moon. Although animal organisms, including humans, have a remarkable efficiency of converting any garbage into energy ... Hello "Matrix" laughing
          3. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 23 July 2020 15: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Rusticolus
            I'm afraid for full AI the operator will be the main enemy. And those on whom they incite him personally did not do anything bad.

            are you a humanist? laughing what nafig "to him personally"? belay
            Do you at least superficially imagine the complexity of creating an artificial personality and the degree of idiocy of the one who will stick this complex and voluminous algorithm into a combat vehicle with a very limited range of tasks? and most importantly why ??? what
            1. Rusticolus
              Rusticolus 23 July 2020 19: 01 New
              0
              Why, personality? God forbid, more remorse will appear. The selection of targets and the survival mechanism is enough. Well, at the expense of the complexity, there is no doubt that nowadays it is fashionable to call AI before that even before the moon cancer.
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 23 July 2020 19: 06 New
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                Quote: Rusticolus
                The selection of targets and the survival mechanism is enough.

                in! this is closer to reality. in accordance with the program, the module will protect the operator and annihilate everything that the operator defines as hostile, by the way, without the operator's participation. myself. there is a program, there is a definition of our stranger, we act.
                1. Rusticolus
                  Rusticolus 23 July 2020 19: 13 New
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                  A program is not AI by definition. It should at least be really self-learning. And when full independence is obtained, it is far from the fact that it will not decide why it is necessary to fight crowds of enemies, if it is much easier to eliminate the operator. Purely logically, the survival mechanism will prompt this particular solution as the most effective. And without all this, there can be no question of any intelligence. Everything else is just an ordinary program with a preset and fixed algorithm.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 23 July 2020 21: 59 New
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                    Quote: Rusticolus
                    A program is not AI by definition. It should at least be really self-learning.

                    um .. so you assume that the self-learning program learns everything, itself, as it wants? what
                    no, that's not how it works. training a combat vehicle should increase the survivability of the vehicle and the effectiveness of defeating the enemy. all. no choice "friend or foe". if the program does not provide for the choice "friend or foe" then it cannot change. the program only learns how to kill as many "blues" as possible, protect the "reds" as effectively as possible and at the same time get the least damage. do you understand? there is no definition of who is red and who is blue in the tutorial.
                    Quote: Rusticolus
                    And with gaining full independence it is far from the fact that she will not decide why to fight the crowds of enemies, if it is much easier to eliminate the operator.

                    sorry, why the heck ??? belay Why does a combat vehicle need complete independence? AI is not "independence", AI is the ability to evolve within an established framework. there is an AI that draws pictures and he improves his drawing skills and learns various drawing techniques, but he will never write poetry and learn to fly wink he does not even know how to speak and write and will never learn this because it is not in the program request
                    PS
                    your problem is that you think that intelligence is only human, and AI is necessarily a copy of human intelligence. this is fundamentally wrong. AI is development within the established framework and expansion of the framework is always an increase in the volume of labor costs for creating AI, and in geometric progression.
                    PS PS
                    by the way, even for human intelligence, "independence" is not a required parameter wink
    2. iouris
      iouris 22 July 2020 17: 57 New
      -3
      Nobody has moral problems anymore. AI is needed for those who no longer have their own, and it is very necessary to retain power in order to pass it on to children.
  3. Vlad T
    Vlad T 22 July 2020 14: 17 New
    +1
    Armament and instruments are poorly protected (looks like the first Bleriot aircraft). Everything is dulzhno covered, hidden and licked., A single tower asks ... The caterpillars are open in front (there will be no one to pull), it is possible to put on the front wheel, - mine and from frontal defeats. As with the ability to move (breaking) by dropping tracks, like the BT-7 ...
    1. Kart
      Kart 22 July 2020 14: 40 New
      +4
      This is a prototype. A platform for practicing AI.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 July 2020 14: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Vlad T
      Weapons and devices are poorly protected

      So Yes...
      But they initially announced that it was a "mobile robotics technology demonstrator" and not a real weapon
      https://fpi.gov.ru/projects/fiziko-tekhnicheskie-issledovaniya/marker/
    3. fider
      fider 23 July 2020 18: 24 New
      0
      And the wire from the left headlight was started! They forgot to drill a hole right away, then they remembered. laughing
  4. Free wind
    Free wind 22 July 2020 14: 19 New
    -3
    The command to destroy the target must be given by the operator. If not, then developers for soap.
  5. Simfy
    Simfy 22 July 2020 14: 36 New
    -2
    developers probably did not watch "Terminator")))
  6. K-50
    K-50 22 July 2020 15: 05 New
    +2
    One of the steps in the development of the project is to increase the autonomy. The control range of similar robotic platforms is limited to 2-5 kilometers. One of the goals of the developers is to teach the robotic complex to perform tasks independently at a greater distance from the operator, at a distance hundreds and thousands of kilometers in perspective

    What nonsense !!! belay
    And who will fill it with fuel, replenish ammunition, repair? belay
    Because minor repairs in combat conditions are a self-evident fact and there is no getting away from it. request
    And, probably, the opponents themselves, so that it was "more fun" for them to live! fellow
    That's how they start some nonsense, even if you stand still. lol
    1. Senka naughty
      Senka naughty 22 July 2020 15: 48 New
      +2
      What nonsense !!! belay
      And who will fill it with fuel, replenish ammunition, repair? belay
      Because minor repairs in combat conditions are a self-evident fact and there is no getting away from it. request
      And, probably, the opponents themselves, so that it was "more fun" for them to live! fellow
      That's how they start some nonsense, even if you stand still.


      It is not the first time that it has been noticed how local "authors" stupidly copy articles from civilian resources and, without analyzing, throw them off on VO.
    2. orionvitt
      orionvitt 22 July 2020 19: 22 New
      0
      Quote: K-50
      And who will fill it with fuel, replenish ammunition, repair?

      Everything that you have listed is not at all the responsibility of the operator, who can really be in thousand kilometers... And the operator is not at all obliged to refuel, replenish, repair.
  7. Klingon
    Klingon 22 July 2020 17: 21 New
    -1
    I need software based on neural networks, I'm not sure if we can? and this software should work on the stones of Elbrus. in the article not a word about whether experiments with neural networks and AI are being carried out or do they just want to program the robot "for all occasions"? ..with punch cards ?? wassat
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 22 July 2020 21: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Klingon
      need software based on neural networks

      We can.
      Quote: Klingon
      work out on the stones Elbrus

      The key problem. We can write software, but only on foreign hardware, which we do not have.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 22 July 2020 23: 40 New
        0
        here! thanks for clarifying. I knew that somewhere the dog was buried but did not know exactly where! turns out to be in Stones. I remember Angstrem that there was inherited from AMD .. Elbrus was born from this heritage ??
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 23 July 2020 09: 16 New
          -2
          Not only in stones, in the whole complex. You need to process a huge amount of data from video to weather conditions, analyze it and make a decision based on the analysis. All this in real time. For ground complexes, these data are by an order of magnitude larger than air ones. I don't follow Elbrus, I'm not interested, I read the parameters once, neighing and forgot about it.
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 23 July 2020 10: 33 New
            -1
            and they want to jump above their heads with this radio-controlled tank ... autonomous work for thousands of kilometers ... they were beguiled with the lunar rover, so the lunar rover was also a radio-controlled tank and could not "think"
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 23 July 2020 10: 39 New
              0
              We can make cars and airplanes on radio control, there is no technology for something serious. In fairness, radio-controlled technology is also needed, one does not cancel the other. The same Uranium 9 has been needed for sappers for a long time. The Hurt Locker shows how a similar system works and how it differs in size from ours. For ground vehicles it is not important, for aviation over critical.
  8. Dikson
    Dikson 22 July 2020 17: 24 New
    +1
    "Hundreds and thousands of kilometers away" ... no, of course I understand - advertising and all that .. A hundred kilometers from the operator and the soldiers, this car will be disassembled for parts .. A plastic bag will be thrown over a black tower .. - and taken apart .. ...
  9. mehan
    mehan 22 July 2020 18: 53 New
    0
    And the lubricant for the mechanisms will spit at night, in garage cooperatives.
    1. Fmax
      Fmax 22 July 2020 18: 57 New
      +1
      It will be like in "screamers" to process the enemy for lubrication%)
      1. mehan
        mehan 22 July 2020 18: 59 New
        0
        Nope, I remembered another book. Since the nineties. Vlad. Vasiliev, Bolshoi Technician .... shhhh! Kiev. Recommend.
  10. Region68
    Region68 23 July 2020 04: 49 New
    -1
    Program "Visiting the Fairy Tale"
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