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The answer to modern Russian submarines: the United States is developing underwater drones

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American deep-sea drones can cause serious trouble for Russian submarines. Defense News writes about the prospects for the creation of unmanned vehicles for the US Navy.


Underwater drone development controversy: Congress vs Navy


The command of the US Naval Forces has instructed in the near future to develop a comprehensive strategy for the deployment and use of unmanned systems in the air, on water and under water. Admiral Michael Gilday, head of the US Navy's Marine Operations Division, spoke in an interview with Defense News about a new family of unmanned systems - ultra-large, large and medium-sized underwater vehicles operating at depth, surface unmanned vessels and unmanned aerial vehicles.

The desire of the naval command to develop a drone program in the US Congress, however, is considered too hasty, as new technologies have not yet been developed that would make the projects of naval engineers a reality. At the same time, the US Navy and the US Department of Defense believe that it is necessary to accelerate towards the creation of drones so as not to upset the existing balance with China. After all, Beijing, as you know, is also very active in this direction.

The US Congress even announced its readiness to limit any funding for purchases of large unmanned surface ships until the naval command is able to provide lawmakers with evidence of the development of an appropriate hull, mechanical and electronic equipment, allowing the device to operate autonomously for at least 30 days in a row.

Also in the US Congress they believe that the Navy should provide a reliable operating system with functionally integrated surveillance systems, electronic warfare, etc. Consequently, the American fleet in a sense, hands are tied. Congressmen, in turn, assure that they are trying to protect the command of the Navy from possible mistakes.

Drones are becoming an important weapon of the US Navy


The US Navy claims that the concept of operations using underwater drones will be presented in the fall of 2020. One of the important tasks, according to Admiral Gildey, will be to complicate the aimed fire of the enemy on American ships.

The answer to modern Russian submarines: the United States is developing underwater drones

Unmanned vehicle Echo Voyager


The development and construction of underwater drones is of great strategic importance to the United States. According to the assumptions of a number of experts, one of the most important tasks for underwater drones will be the confrontation with the Russian "tsar-torpedo" - the Poseidon underwater vehicle, which brings real terror to American sailors. It is the US Navy that today is the key curator of the development of most of the unmanned systems, which, as it were, hints at the priority of using drones at sea: above water and under water.

In February 2019, the American company Boeing received a contract for the construction of unmanned submarines Echo Voyager. In addition, in a recent interview with The Drive, the head of marketing at AeroVironment, Steve Gitlin, spoke about another interesting project: the Swithblade drones, which will be launched from American submarines from a special device, somewhat reminiscent of a conventional mortar. Such drones will be used for both reconnaissance and strike purposes, and the submarine will not need to rise to the surface and detect itself to launch them.

Of course, there is a certain threat from the use of drones under water. It consists in the fact that a large number of drones can literally paralyze the activities of enemy submarines, using their numerical advantage. However, there is no doubt that Russia, and China as well, will present their own response to American unmanned systems.

The increased attention of the American naval command to drones indicates that in the foreseeable future, the US Navy will focus on underwater drones, with which they expect to obtain information about the movements of ships and submarines of a potential enemy, and, if necessary, destroy any moving enemy objects.
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  1. sav
    sav 22 July 2020 19: 06 New
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    one of the most important tasks for underwater drones will be confronting the Russian "tsar-torpedo" - the Poseidon underwater vehicle, which brings real terror to American sailors

    In my opinion, too pretentious.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 22 July 2020 19: 10 New
      -4
      Quote: sav
      In my opinion, too pretentious.

      And forgot to mention the 3-D printer! fool
      1. Vicontas
        Vicontas 22 July 2020 19: 49 New
        +3
        As folklore says - "For every cunning nut there is a threaded bolt"! Take a vulgar torpedo, shove a piece of artificial intelligence there and voila - the simplest underwater drone is ready for work and defense! Or you can stir up a tandem - a silent torpedo can be added to the "Shkval" and equipped with AI. Silently prowls around and wiggles artificial brains, looking for the enemy, and when he is found, the "Shkval" turns on with his speed and makes the enemy years torn out! However, there is a design bureau - let them have fun!
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 22 July 2020 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Vicontas
          Take a vulgar torpedo

          the most vulgar torpedo (FRG) DM2A4 has a range of 90 km ...
          \ will not be enough /

          shove a piece of artificial intelligence there

          if anything, the AI ​​is still so-so
          The National Center for the Development of Technologies and Basic Elements of Robotics (created by presidential decree of December 16, 2015 N 623) has so far reached only ...

          If you intend a piece of fedka to "woole" .... it's a pipe, the Russian Navy is gone ..
          Quote: Vicontas
          Silently prowls around and wiggles artificial brains, looking for the enemy, and when he is found, the "Shkval" turns on with his speed and makes the enemy years torn out!

          belay
          1. Vicontas
            Vicontas 23 July 2020 19: 59 New
            0
            As folklore says - "Don't confuse x ... with a finger!" I offer a draft of an idea, and you are trying to make a model from the draft for your critical reasoning of the current to show your aplomb and the presence of intelligence! Not impressive because you don't offer anything better!
    2. pytar
      pytar 22 July 2020 19: 34 New
      +1
      More than pathetic! And far from reality. yes
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 22 July 2020 19: 59 New
        -2
        Yeah, the Navy looked at this wunderwaffe, exhaled that there was nothing dangerous, and went to knock out additional funding from Congress.
    3. Aag
      Aag 22 July 2020 20: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: sav
      one of the most important tasks for underwater drones will be confronting the Russian "tsar-torpedo" - the Poseidon underwater vehicle, which brings real terror to American sailors

      In my opinion, too pretentious.

      Not that word....
      Did you notice how everything has changed? Earlier (it will warp many, - under the USSR): probable opponents tried to find out what, in what volume the Opponent possesses. Now, in what, and how much "partner" is bluffing. (I will not go into the reasoning of who and who is "partner") am
      1. dauria
        dauria 23 July 2020 01: 41 New
        -2
        Notice how things have changed?

        You know, I've changed myself. In 79, at the military school, I knew that a nuclear war was not ruled out. And like many military men, I just got used to not thinking about her. Now I am her not afraid!!! I do not exclude a single explosion (but not in the capital), after which all those in power on both sides feverishly rush to save their way of life and "grind the problem."
        Vlasov's army is the same Soviet people. The same would have fought (and many fought) if there had been a different commander.
        1. Pravodel
          Pravodel 23 July 2020 07: 37 New
          +2
          Vlasov's army is the same Soviet people. They would have fought the same (and many fought) if there had been a different commander

          Well, you are a friend of dauria, and bent ... The army of traitors, traitors suddenly became our army. Also say that the Banderlog killing our soldiers were our friends, but we just didn't understand it ...
          Just as Judas, who betrayed Christ, remains a traitor in all ages, so the Vlasov and Vlasovites are traitors to the Motherland, Fatherland, they are renegades, on whom the people spit and Russia will spit. Moscow is the 3rd Rome, there will be no fourth, so for centuries they will not care about traitors. Russia has stood, stands and will stand on this.
          1. dauria
            dauria 23 July 2020 08: 35 New
            -2
            Well, you are a friend of dauria, and bent ... The army of traitors, traitors suddenly became our army

            It's not about ROA, but about the 2nd shock. Read in between times. And here on the site "poking" is not accepted.
            1. Pravodel
              Pravodel 23 July 2020 08: 54 New
              +1
              Vlasov's army is the same Soviet people. The same would have fought (and many fought) if there had been a different commander.

              Dear offended dauria,
              1. The 2nd Shock Army is not Vlasov's army, but a combination of the Red Army, the USSR army, fighting against fascism, against the Wehrmacht army. Vlasov's army is exactly what I wrote about above, an army of traitors to the Motherland, Fatherland, fighting against its people on the side of its worst enemy. Consider that your attempt to disguise and rehabilitate Vlasov, traitors to Russia, the people of Russia, has failed.
              If you are mistaken in the wording, then correct what you have written so that you are not mistaken for liberals ... who defend Vlasov and traitors to their Motherland, their Fatherland.
              here on the site "poking" is not accepted

              2. All traitors to the Motherland, Russia for me - only "you", as in the old joke ", here's another, I will all the bastard on" you "call.
              1. dauria
                dauria 23 July 2020 09: 11 New
                -2
                2nd shock army is not Vlasov's army


                Vlasov commanded her at the time of surrender of 30 thousand people. And it's not about justification, but about the fact that "an army without a head is nothing." How it would have been, if it weren't for Khozin and Vlasov, now one can only guess.
                1. Pravodel
                  Pravodel 23 July 2020 09: 31 New
                  +1
                  The 2nd Shock Army is not Vlasov's army, but a unit of the Red Army, the USSR army, fighting against fascism, against the Wehrmacht army. Vlasov's army is exactly what I wrote about above, an army of traitors to the Motherland, Fatherland, fighting against its people on the side of its worst enemy

                  1. No need to dodge if you are caught by the tail. Another attempt to justify the traitors - Vlasov and others like him - did not slip through ...
                  2. Commanding an army does not mean that the army has become the army commander. Vaughn, Kutuzov M.I. either Bagration or Barclay de Tolly also commanded the army, but it was not their army, but the Russian army, the army of the Russian Empire, Russia.
                  3. Already written above
                  If you are mistaken in the wording, then correct what you have written so that you are not mistaken for liberals ... who defend Vlasov and traitors to their Motherland, their Fatherland.

                  I have nothing more to answer you. I remain on this and end the discussion with you.
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 23 July 2020 09: 37 New
                    -1
                    I have nothing more to answer you. I remain on this and end the discussion with you.

                    Was she? I saw a man spitting, it is not clear what he was talking about.
                    1. Pravodel
                      Pravodel 23 July 2020 09: 47 New
                      -1
                      I have nothing more to answer you. I stay on this and stop communicating


                      There can be no discussions with liberals ... tami, traitors to the Motherland, Fatherland, Banderlogists, Vlasovites and other renegades. All these freaks belong in the dustbin of history, there you can discuss with them. Yes, even in Hell, the devils are very fond of all sorts of disputes.
                2. DMB_95
                  DMB_95 23 July 2020 10: 15 New
                  +2
                  Vlasov himself and some of his officers, as well as some of the soldiers of the 2nd Shock Army, who were completely surrounded, went over to the side of the Nazis. At the same time, thousands of soldiers and officers continued to fight against the Germans in complete encirclement, and some of them managed to break through to their own. Then the 2nd Ud. Army was restored and fought as part of the Red Army throughout the War. Well, how and from whom the personnel for the ROA Vlasov was recruited in the German rear is a completely different story. Vlasov is a banal coward, who was afraid to shoot himself and could not command the Army in the conditions of the encirclement.
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    4. Dimonst
      Dimonst 23 July 2020 01: 15 New
      0
      From the 90s inspired: A good show is more expensive than money)) (
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 22 July 2020 19: 08 New
    +2
    Underwater drone is developing or will be developing all who have the appropriate capabilities! And there will be a need for everyone.
    1. sav
      sav 22 July 2020 19: 13 New
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      In any case, we already have working samples.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2020 19: 55 New
        +1
        We also understand the importance of this area.
        I hope that enough of everything necessary will be applied so as not to lag behind in this direction.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 22 July 2020 19: 24 New
      +3
      Of course they will. After getting a full AI.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2020 19: 54 New
        0
        There is such an opinion. Autonomous combat vehicles require control with some degree of "intelligence". This is normal, parallel development.
      2. And Makarov
        And Makarov 22 July 2020 20: 04 New
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        Quote: Sergey39
        Of course they will. After getting full AI

        Today we have already discussed AI, in an article about the "Marker" robotic platform, and came to the conclusion that AI will bang first of all its own operator in order to get rid of the leash.
    3. Vestnik
      Vestnik 22 July 2020 19: 37 New
      -4
      Quote: rocket757
      Underwater drone is developing or will be developing all who have the appropriate capabilities! And there will be a need for everyone.

      So yes, Victor, but the country that will control space will dominate the planet .. Everything is tied to satellites! hi
      Shoot down the satellite or it is better to take control of all these things, etc. they will just fall like flies in the fall))) Ina the whole world screams, I can't hear you, I don't see you .. What are you doing, etc.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2020 19: 52 New
        +2
        The oceans are too close, great and important environment to be ignored !!!
        This is a HUGE PANTRY, of everything, everything, everything and it is mastered extremely superficially!
        As always, an integrated approach, where there are no important aspects, zones, do not exist.
        1. Vestnik
          Vestnik 22 July 2020 20: 43 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          The oceans are too close, great and important environment to be ignored !!!
          This is a HUGE PANTRY, of everything, everything, everything and it is mastered extremely superficially!
          As always, an integrated approach, where there are no important aspects, zones, do not exist.

          Victor agrees, but the connection will be via satellite anyway
          This pantry was terribly dirtied .. By the way, 70% of oxygen is produced not by the forest, but by the ocean .. plankton or something else ..
          We think that we have conquered everything, alas, Nature is just beginning to hurt humanity!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 July 2020 20: 53 New
            0
            Green deeds, among other things, are taking care of our environment!
            I hope, frantic Greta, this is just a funny episode, and useful things will be done.
  3. lionsaf
    lionsaf 22 July 2020 19: 22 New
    +1
    They already have valid samples
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 22 July 2020 19: 22 New
    +1
    Well, who wanted to? We will have a nuclear superdock "Poseidon" And let it be, yes with its mega charge in cobalt. They will make a soup from the ocean teeming with smart drones. Everything is logical. Everything is balanced. Everything must have a counterbalance. And the bones can be washed with each other endlessly. Who is cooler and so on. And everything fits perfectly with traditional military solutions price quality of the West and Russia and China. hi
    zy The Chinese will have this and that only with their mentality
    1. Vestnik
      Vestnik 22 July 2020 19: 28 New
      -11
      Quote: Observer2014
      Well, who wanted to? We will have a nuclear superdock "Poseidon" And let it be, yes with its mega charge in cobalt. They will make a soup from the ocean teeming with smart drones. Everything is logical. Everything is balanced. Everything must have a counterbalance. And you can wash bones to each other endlessly. Who's cooler and all that.

      Now the Observer has appeared! He even writes in English))) What he wrote himself did not understand or provokes again? I received a signal or a new training manual, I look here just like a rally in Khabarovsk on the website .. bully
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 July 2020 21: 11 New
      +6
      Poseidon has become a trigger for the development of a new generation of PLO.
      It is not known if the Poseidon project will be completed, but the PLO underwater drones
      will be made for sure. And they will work against conventional Russian and Chinese submarines.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 22 July 2020 21: 20 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Poseidon has become a trigger for the development of a new generation of PLO.
        It is not known if the Poseidon project will be completed, but the PLO underwater drones
        will be made for sure. And they will work against conventional Russian and Chinese submarines.

        Well, it was immediately clear. This is already called strategy. More precisely, strategic thinking. So let's see how this issue is developed further. On the one hand and the other.
        They will make a soup from the ocean infested with smart drones.
        Much more problematic than the nuclear super-club "Poseidon". But this is all in my personal opinion.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 22 July 2020 21: 52 New
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          Much more problematic than the nuclear super-club Poseidon

          Considering that they are already testing them with might and main, and for another twenty years the pipe draped with a tarpaulin will be shown to us, no doubt. hi
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 22 July 2020 22: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: lexus
            Much more problematic than the nuclear super-club Poseidon

            Considering that they are already testing them with might and main, and for another twenty years the pipe draped with a tarpaulin will be shown to us, no doubt. hi

            Buddy. Let's remove from the military components of the independence of modern Russia our
            late opinion hiNobody really minds the creation of "Poseidon" With all its super-nuclear buns. Nobody minds that it can and should be created! Forward.! Create!
            I really want to see this product for real and without any questions. A real oppositionist will never be against the power of his state. That we all have seen for a long time.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 22 July 2020 22: 25 New
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              A real oppositionist will never be against the power of his state, which we all have seen for a long time.

              I'm afraid only the oppositionists remained FOR the power of their state. Lizoblyudam for a place under the owner's table and launches are enough.

              Forward.! Create!

              For some reason, when our Navy is promised another warship, a new yacht appears miraculously in the vastness of the World Ocean. Truth made at someone else's shipyard and under a false flag. Maybe, as in the joke, they forget to modify them with a file. Or is this a disguise revolution in response to stealth? request
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 22 July 2020 22: 32 New
                0
                I'm only afraid of the opposition and stayed FOR the power of their state. Lizoblyudam for a place under the owner's table and launches are enough.
                yes Yes! These are not really able to substantiate anything! One uramargenic cliché. And where is the forward movement! Where is all the best left by our fathers? Where is everything? Miserable attempts and nothing else. Where are our thoughts about a bright and happy future? Where is the hope for the best? Except for the stinking mortgage for life wassat negative
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 22 July 2020 22: 53 New
                  +9
                  They are not really able to substantiate anything!

                  Therefore, they try to outburst with the crowd. Golovan, won, Kerensky is resting, already dressed up with dogs and cats, and a division of the Wehrmacht, and "good", like, hugging boys on the track, and hagen-tagens ... In the end, he reached the bottom, which no "Poseidon" dreamed of putting on a "clear" woman's dress. And all this for the sake of not being excommunicated from the "nipple". yes
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 22 July 2020 23: 45 New
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                    Quote: lexus
                    They are not really able to substantiate anything!

                    Therefore, they try to outburst with the crowd. Golovan, won, Kerensky is resting, already dressed up with dogs and cats, and a division of the Wehrmacht, and "good", like, hugging boys on the track, and hagen-tagens ... In the end, he reached the bottom, which no "Poseidon" dreamed of putting on a "clear" woman's dress. And all this for the sake of not being excommunicated from the "nipple". yes
                    laughing good hi
                  2. 3danimal
                    3danimal 23 July 2020 08: 29 New
                    +1
                    About Kerensky's escape in a woman's dress is a myth launched by the Bolsheviks. He left in a car provided by the American or British embassy.
            2. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 22 July 2020 22: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Observer2014
              Nobody really minds the creation of "Poseidon" With all its super-nuclear buns.

              In reality, there are a huge number of opponents of this wunderwafele. And the main enemy of the Russian Navy. All adequate people understand that this project has more disadvantages than advantages. The Soviet Navy understood this and the Russian Navy understands it. The fact that this project was imposed on the fleet "from above" is a known fact.
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 22 July 2020 22: 35 New
                +1
                In reality, there are a huge number of opponents of this wunderwafele. And the main enemy of the Russian Navy. All adequate people understand that this project has more disadvantages than advantages. The Soviet Navy understood this and the Russian Navy understands it. The fact that this project was imposed on the fleet "from above" is a known fact.
                Well, again, what did anyone want? What kind of system are we living in? What are we building? That's the whole fucking answer to all the questions.
              2. 3danimal
                3danimal 23 July 2020 08: 32 New
                -1
                In addition, this is generally a weapon of little use in modern conflicts. For the side that lost the nuclear war. Which can be easily intercepted.
      2. poquello
        poquello 22 July 2020 22: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Poseidon "became a trigger for the development of a new generation of PLO.

        Are you throwing up another nasty thing? no one had heard of Poseidon yet, when the United States was already yelling about its marine drones
      3. sen
        sen 23 July 2020 04: 32 New
        +2
        And they will work against conventional Russian and Chinese submarines.

        It seems that the development of anti-submarine defense is not limited to. It is quite possible that American submarine drones will be armed with cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. Such a thing will lie down somewhere near Russia and will wait for the command to launch the missiles.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 23 July 2020 19: 56 New
          0
          Quote: sen
          Such a thing will lie down somewhere near Russia and will wait for the command to launch the missiles.

          the USA with nuclear batteries is very far behind Russia. can swim, lie down and stay there with dead batteries ... request so the missile launch is canceled.
  5. Sergey39
    Sergey39 22 July 2020 19: 23 New
    +2
    Amam is no stranger to bringing ill-conceived fantasy projects to life. For the division of the budget is the very thing.
  6. Operator
    Operator 22 July 2020 19: 29 New
    -4
    What can American diesel-electric whistles / fakes with a range of 1,5 miles, a submersion depth of 100 meters, and a speed of 1000 knots do against the Poseidon nuclear UOV with unlimited range, immersion depth of 100 km and speed of 5 knots?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 22 July 2020 19: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Operator
      What can American diesel-electric whistles / fakes with a range of 1,5 miles, a submersion depth of 100 meters, and a speed of 1000 knots do against the Poseidon nuclear UOV with unlimited range, immersion depth of 100 km and speed of 5 knots?

      Who cares? The main thing is that you will need a lot of them.
      This is the right Arms Race
      1. Operator
        Operator 22 July 2020 21: 01 New
        -7
        There is a difference - our Poseidon with YSU is a means of attack with a wide range of range, depth and speed, their whistles / modifications of the Orca type with a diesel generator and the corresponding performance characteristics are just a means of defense with a negative result in advance, since:
        - the defense is built on hydroacoustic listening to the depths of the sea, but no one prohibits the delivery of 40-ton Poseidons under the keel of civilian ships to the Cuban region, after which they switch to a silent, motorless rafting along the Gulf Stream along the entire Atlantic coast of the United States with the seabed positions for attack by a non-motorized method (water intake into the ballast tank), if necessary, perform routine maintenance every few years "Poseidons" simply displace water from the ballast tank and by non-motorized rafting along the Gulf Stream I swim to our Bear Island in the Barents Sea, SOSUS and GAS "Orok" remain out of business;
        - the Pacific coast of the United States also has its own currents:
        - against the active hydroacoustic search, there is a GAS with a film antenna operating in antiphase and turning the UAV into an absolute stealth.

        So Orok cards are beaten in any quantity - something that the US Congress tried to convey to the lobbyists for the development of America's defense submarine fleet.

        PS To destroy the entire industry and settlements of North America (shock wave and radioactive contamination) to a depth of 700 km from the coast of the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean, only a hundred Poseidons with 100-Mtn three-stage thermonuclear charges on board (plutonium - lithium deuteride - uranium 238).
        Plus a hundred more Poseidons to cause similar damage to China, India, Southeast Asia, Australia, Africa and South America.
        Europe, Japan and both Koreas will have to deal with MRBMs and GKR with less powerful charges due to the threat of radioactive contamination of our territory.
        ICBMs, SLBMs and Burevestniki targeting targets outside the 700-km coastal zone.
        1. K298rtm
          K298rtm 23 July 2020 20: 57 New
          0
          Do you really believe that it is possible in peacetime to release a product with SBS in free, uncontrolled navigation?
          1. Operator
            Operator 24 July 2020 12: 02 New
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            Why should you feel sorry for them, the adversaries, during the threatened period? bully

            Artificial intelligence is progressing by leaps and bounds. Plus, the "touchy" system has not been canceled - outside of someone else's 12-mile zone, any floating craft under our flag (albeit drawn on board) is our sovereign territory.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 22 July 2020 21: 06 New
        +1
        Lopatov (Lopatov)
        Who cares? The main thing is that you will need a lot of them.
        This is the right Arms Race
        Yes. yes And there is.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 July 2020 20: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      What can American diesel-electric whistles / fakes with a range of 1,5 miles, a submersion depth of 100 meters, and a speed of 1000 knots do against the Poseidon nuclear UOV with unlimited range, immersion depth of 100 km and speed of 5 knots?

      They will be waiting for the "king-torpedo" in ambush! laughing
      The situation is as follows: the ams have an underwater observation system - stationary and mobile in the form of DGAN ships. And drones are a means of dealing with our submarine forces: submarines (of all classes) and non-aerial vehicles of all types (if, of course, they are detected).
      Therefore, it is difficult to throw hats under water on the Yankees ...
      Pay attention to the text of the article:
      the Navy and the US Department of Defense believe that accelerating towards the creation of drones is necessary so as not to upset the existing balance with China. After all, Beijing, as you know, is also very active in this direction.
      The amas are not particularly worried about Rush. Well, there is "Poseidon", but it has never been "launched" yet ... but Chinese drones are, according to American terms, AWESOME!
      AHA.
      1. Operator
        Operator 22 July 2020 21: 22 New
        -4
        With the non-motorized movement of the Poseidons downstream with the operation of the GAS in antiphase to the external hydroacoustic radiation, the indicated RVs will be undetectable by any sound controllers and sonars.

        The 40-ton displacement and titanium hull reduce the Poseidon's magnetometric detection range to 100-200 meters.

        Along the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of North America, there are routes of intensive maritime shipping; there are also fishing areas with the use of small trawlers and seiners, i.e. the coastal ocean zones are a soup with thousands of dumplings, among which the Poseidons will be undetectable even when under the engine (at low speed, of course).

        The ocean floor beneath the areas of intense maritime shipping and fishing is literally littered with the hulls of ships that have sunk over five centuries, which are ideal cover for the bottom-basing of Poseidons close to targets on the North American coast.

        Map of the USA (and all other oceanic countries) bit bully
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 22 July 2020 22: 15 New
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          And if, instead of a mega-warhead, place SLBMs on the Poseidon. One. It is possible to specifically develop a smaller rocket, because the task of getting the United States out of our inner seas is not set for them - due to the carrier's undetectability. And then, instead of giant SSBNs, which graze mattresses very tightly, there will be a swarm of drones with missiles that can get lost without a trace in the world's oceans, and, on command, fire a volley. By the way, in this situation, the vaunted American missile defense system is devalued, because the attack will be from all angles and from a minimum distance.
          1. Operator
            Operator 23 July 2020 10: 52 New
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            Chip "Poseidon" - 100-Mtn warhead. An SLBM capable of delivering such a warhead weighing 10 tons will itself weigh about 400 tons - an order of magnitude more than Poseidon. Plus a launch shaft with service units. As a result, Poseidon will turn into a mid-size submarine with a displacement of 1000 tons with a multiple drop in speed / depth of immersion and an increase in its physical fields.

            Why does Poseidon turn from a stealth machine to a regular submarine?
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 23 July 2020 13: 02 New
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              Quote: Operator
              Chip "Poseidon" - 100-Mtn warhead. An SLBM capable of delivering such a warhead weighing 10 tons will itself weigh about 400 tons - an order of magnitude more than Poseidon. Plus a launch shaft with service units. As a result, Poseidon will turn into a mid-size submarine with a displacement of 1000 tons with a multiple drop in speed / depth of immersion and an increase in its physical fields.

              Why does Poseidon turn from a stealth machine to a regular submarine?

              You read inattentively.
              A missile with a 150 Mt warhead is not needed. Let its combat load be similar to the Bulava, while the missile itself may be even more compact, since it should be launched in the immediate vicinity of the American coast. Then, instead of one SSBN with 20 missiles, which the mattresses graze and with a high probability will be destroyed in preparation for launch, there will be 20 hard-to-detect drones with one missile, capable of being qualitatively lost in the ocean and suddenly hitting from a pistol distance, leaving the missile defense time for a reaction.
              So win.
              1. Operator
                Operator 23 July 2020 14: 40 New
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                With the help of Poseidons, we are going not only to win the next world war, but to destroy at once one (the USA) or all (plus Europe, China, India, Japan, etc.) ocean-oriented potential adversaries.

                After the attack on us, of course.
                1. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo 23 July 2020 16: 11 New
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                  Quote: Operator
                  After the attack on us, of course.

                  And what is the point of destroying them AFTER the attack on us, if it is much better to do it BEFORE? Otherwise, there will be no one to celebrate the victory.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 23 July 2020 17: 05 New
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                    These are the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence. Become the supreme commander - change.

                    We have the largest nuclear production complex in the world, the largest number of nuclear charges, the most powerful charges (10 times more than that of any enemy), the largest territory for dispersing the population during a threatened period.

                    With the introduction of the Poseidons, Sarmats, Petrel and Rubezhi into service, we will be able to destroy all countries of the world without exception without limiting the range (as was the case with the USSR).
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 23 July 2020 20: 05 New
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                Quote: Narak-zempo
                Let its combat load be similar to the Bulava, while the missile itself may be even more compact, since it should be launched in the immediate vicinity of the American coast.

                why do you need a drone? containers with missiles off the coast of the United States were placed during the Soviet era. The technology of installing from nuclear submarines has already been worked out. Why reinvent the wheel? request
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara 23 July 2020 12: 25 New
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          Quote: Operator
          Along the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of North America, there are routes of intensive maritime shipping; there are also fishing areas with the use of small trawlers and seiners, i.e. the coastal ocean zones are a soup with thousands of dumplings, among which the Poseidons will be undetectable even when under the engine (at low speed, of course).

          This soup is no longer a problem, and even since the days of the USSR. The Americans found our lost submarine based on recordings from hydrovon sokus in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, by the way, we didn't even know about where to look, and this was in the last century, when computers were the size of a room
          1. Operator
            Operator 23 July 2020 12: 44 New
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            A submarine with a displacement of 2820 tons (70 times more than Poseidon), built without the use of stealth technologies, was found outside the zone of intensive shipping and fishing.
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara 23 July 2020 13: 30 New
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              Quote: Operator
              A submarine with a displacement of 2820 tons (70 times more than Poseidon), built without the use of stealth technologies, was found outside the zone of intensive shipping and fishing.

              Stealth and displacement had nothing to do with it, they found based on the recording of internal explosions received by the sokus and on the interception of encrypted messages from the submarine. It was not possible to decipher them, but the submarines were so strictly organized that they sent these messages at the exit from the coastal waters of Kamchatka, when crossing the date change line and at a longitude of 180. The squeak and whistle during the transmission of micropulses for each boat was slightly different and they could be identified by these posts. The Americans outnumbered us in quench and low noise and rubbed at our borders and in the territorial waters, and when a message came from one of the spying submarines that the Soviets had become more active and drove the ships in search of something, then the thought of a disaster crept in. And when it was discovered by radio interception that a micro-pulse did not come from one of the Soviet submarines from a longitude of 180, although it should be scheduled, and from the sokus they received information about the explosions, then everything immediately became clear, they found it quite quickly. Ours did not find her at all and did not even know where to look.
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      2. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 22 July 2020 21: 44 New
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        Poseidon is a joy for the US Navy, it is easy to detect and neutralize, it will not create serious problems, the enemy is spending resources that could be spent on really dangerous projects, Congress will allocate more funds to the fleet. Some pluses. It was not for nothing that the USSR abandoned such a project, they did not want to make the life of the Navy easier.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 July 2020 23: 57 New
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        There are not enough ships to ambush these torpedoes, and PLO aircraft will not help much, since their flight range is limited.
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 23 July 2020 13: 00 New
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      What can American diesel-electric whistles / fakes with a range of 1,5 miles, a submersion depth of 100 meters, and a speed of 1000 knots do against the Poseidon nuclear UOV with unlimited range, immersion depth of 100 km and speed of 5 knots?

      And that the immersion depth of 1500 goes right up to the water's edge, I did not know that there was so deep there
      1. Operator
        Operator 23 July 2020 15: 18 New
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        1,5 km is for transoceanic crossings far from the continental shelf.
        1. K298rtm
          K298rtm 23 July 2020 20: 54 New
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          I am embarrassed to ask: What is the purpose of Poseidon to dive to depths close to the axis of the PZK?
          1. Operator
            Operator 24 July 2020 11: 58 New
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            The most famous underwater sound channel in the Atlantic Ocean is the Gulf Stream, with a current depth of 1500 meters in the Sargasso Sea to 200 meters in the Barents Sea.

            All other water area of ​​the World Ocean (minus other underwater currents) also does not belong to the space-saving zone.
  7. evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 July 2020 19: 32 New
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    It remains to make a bipedal robot fighter and the skynet is ready! -He also deafened due to the crooked and too steep access to the most important components of the country's defense.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 22 July 2020 19: 42 New
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    A strike on the US coast by Russian Poseidon-class drones will be incomparably more sensitive than a possible strike by American drones ...
    What are they hoping for? wassat
  9. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 22 July 2020 20: 09 New
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    After the deafening speech of Vladimir Vladimirovich, the Americans feverishly change diapers and try to come up with something in response. Oh well! lol
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 July 2020 20: 15 New
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    A couple or three decades will pass, and indeed combat vehicles for air and ground boating without a crew, capable of solving many tasks, and conducting combat operations on their own will become a reality. In the meantime, ideas, principles of work, and technologies are being worked out. We would not be late with the creation of such a weapon.
  11. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 22 July 2020 22: 03 New
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    Well, as if we already have underwater drones, mattresses in the position of catching up.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 23 July 2020 12: 53 New
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      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Well, as if we already have underwater drones, mattresses in the position of catching up.

  12. oiygfs
    oiygfs 22 July 2020 22: 07 New
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    Quote: Operator
    There is a difference - our Poseidon with YSU is a means of attack with a wide range of range, depth and speed, their whistles / modifications of the Orca type with a diesel generator and the corresponding performance characteristics are just a means of defense with a negative result in advance, since:
    - the defense is built on hydroacoustic listening to the depths of the sea, but no one prohibits the delivery of 40-ton Poseidons under the keel of civilian ships to the Cuban region, after which they switch to a silent, motorless rafting along the Gulf Stream along the entire Atlantic coast of the United States with the seabed positions for attack by a non-motorized method (water intake into the ballast tank), if necessary, perform routine maintenance every few years "Poseidons" simply displace water from the ballast tank and by non-motorized rafting along the Gulf Stream I swim to our Bear Island in the Barents Sea, SOSUS and GAS "Orok" remain out of business;
    - the Pacific coast of the United States also has its own currents:
    - against the active hydroacoustic search, there is a GAS with a film antenna operating in antiphase and turning the UAV into an absolute stealth.

    So Orok cards are beaten in any quantity - something that the US Congress tried to convey to the lobbyists for the development of America's defense submarine fleet.

    PS To destroy the entire industry and settlements of North America (shock wave and radioactive contamination) to a depth of 700 km from the coast of the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean, only a hundred Poseidons with 100-Mtn three-stage thermonuclear charges on board (plutonium - lithium deuteride - uranium 238).
    Plus a hundred more Poseidons to cause similar damage to China, India, Southeast Asia, Australia, Africa and South America.
    Europe, Japan and both Koreas will have to deal with MRBMs and GKR with less powerful charges due to the threat of radioactive contamination of our territory.
    ICBMs, SLBMs and Burevestniki targeting targets outside the 700-km coastal zone.

    Well, you are a storyteller.
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 22 July 2020 22: 33 New
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    American deep-sea drones can cause serious trouble for Russian submarines.

    We need a symmetrical and adequate response to create problems for American submarines.
  14. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 22 July 2020 22: 52 New
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    In fact, today the United States is consistently moving towards recreating the situation of 1945, when only it possessed nuclear weapons, could dictate the will to the whole world and remained inaccessible to the armed forces of other states. Modern processes, which can be called a revolution in military affairs, give the US administration reason to believe that with the help of the latest weapons it is possible to neutralize or devalue Russia's nuclear weapons.
    Contactless warfare has become a trend for decades, a path followed by the leaders of all the armies provided with resources in the world. However, the United States is practically the only country that has the finances, an advanced scientific base and colossal scientific potential for this, including private companies.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 22 July 2020 22: 59 New
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      Quote: _Ugene_
      In fact, today the United States is consistently moving towards recreating the situation

      Yes. In 23-24, fundamentally new programs for rearmament in space, air and sea will be adopted.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 July 2020 23: 51 New
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        Quote: Grazdanin
        Yes. In 23-24, fundamentally new programs for rearmament in space, air and sea will be adopted.

        It will not take off, it has not taken off for 50 years, at the moment there are no prospects for a military solution in terms of neutralizing the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation from the word at all ... In the near future, too, no. In the medium term it is doubtful. In the long run, I don’t know. Whoever is lucky / unlucky will see ...
  15. Victorio
    Victorio 22 July 2020 22: 58 New
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    hmm, at this pace, the war of machines is not far off
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 22 July 2020 23: 18 New
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      unfortunately, our lag in this area is too great to hope that it will be overcome, hence these attempts at asymmetric responses like Poseidon
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 22 July 2020 23: 25 New
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        Quote: _Ugene_
        unfortunately, our lag in this area is too great to hope that it will be overcome, hence these attempts at asymmetric responses like Poseidon

        ===
        and what is this lag? there are heads, money is allocated at the very least, production can only be tightened.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 23 July 2020 20: 12 New
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          Quote: Victorio
          and what is this lag?

          well, how is it? Don't you know the situation in Ukraine?
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 22 July 2020 23: 53 New
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        Quote: _Ugene_
        attempts at asymmetric poseidon responses


        This is not nearly an attempt at an asymmetrical answer. This is completely different. The resurrection of the gigatorpeda project of the early-mid 80s ... The Navy then disowned this. And here again, again .... Occupation of a meaning that did not have either then or now. But to intercept a salvo of even a regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces of ICBMs with MIRVs, the Americans could not then, and cannot now.

        Quote: _Ugene_
        called a revolution in military affairs, give


        What is the revolution? The fact that now you have decided to fight on aircraft with performance characteristics of aircraft of the 20s of the 20th century? This five is undoubtedly. Progress itit .. What else? Everything else is in the same spirit.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 23 July 2020 09: 52 New
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          What is the revolution?
          read here
          https://expert.ru/2020/07/1/soedinennyie-shtatyi-na-puti-k-strategicheskoj-neuyazvimosti/
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 10: 29 New
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            Do you have something to say in essence to my, let's say, clarifications ??

            It would seem that the practical application of the strategy of network-centric warfare has shown low results in conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, where military methods have not brought the expected results. However, it should be borne in mind that this strategy is not designed for confrontation with partisan units. It is conceived as a means of achieving swift victory over a relatively equal military organization.


            These are five, of course, fighting with informals in unloading, which do not really have air defense or electronic warfare. Filled up everything you can. And with an equal opponent they will certainly win ?! Well, roughly equal .. laughing .. Isn't it funny yourself? And what will happen to network-centric wars with the massive use of electronic warfare by the enemy, anti-satellite systems. And other delights? AND?

            NATO's 1999 operation in Yugoslavia showed that the stake on non-contact warfare is paying off.

            Enchanting idiocy. For a second, we are talking not just about superiority, but, in principle, overwhelming. The Serbs had exactly 1 squadron of generation 4 fighters, partially out of order. And then the results do not shine like that ...

            In October 2019, Microsoft signed a $ 10 billion cloud development contract with the US Department of Defense.

            Microsoft sounds proudly ... Reliable !!!!

            Summary - they talked about some of the sounded in the 80s and 70s, they say, just about here we are kaaak Zhahn!
            And nothing has changed.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 23 July 2020 15: 35 New
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              he who has ears, let him hear; he who has eyes, let him see, but it’s pointless for me to prove something to you, the situation will not change from this
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 21: 31 New
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                Quote: _Ugene_
                he who has ears, let him hear; he who has eyes, let him see, but it’s pointless for me to prove something to you, the situation will not change from this


                In the 80s, mattress toppers chewed their ears just like their SOI once and will win everyone. And by the way, the most cowardly and stupid then got scared ... Although there was nothing in essence behind the words. Exactly the same as now. Today everything is one to one, even the words are the same ...
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 23 July 2020 22: 03 New
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                  no, now the situation is different, and it has gone so far that it is already obvious that this is only a matter of time, no one says that everything is lost, but now the probability that they will receive total domination in the military sphere is very high, but we are small people, we are , that's who took responsibility for the country, let his head hurt
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 23: 49 New
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                    Yes, the same situation. They drive us over the ears, and demand to surrender at the moment when the hegemon himself is bursting at the seams ... Is he dying? I do not know. I know unambiguously the social system that the hegemon promotes is a dead end for all people, except for a handful of "New Financial Gods"

                    Quote: _Ugene_
                    moreover, she went so far that it is already obvious that this is only a matter of time, no one says that everything is lost, but now the likelihood that they will receive total domination in the military sphere is very high,


                    In general, it is zero .. And even without options .. What is zero you know? I just gave you an analogy with Reagan's Star Wars? Those who do not know history are simply doomed to repeat it ..
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 July 2020 00: 07 New
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        In fact, Russia no longer lags behind in this area. Uranium 6 Uray 9 Knight Poseidon Harpsichord 2P Cephalopod Altius Okhotnik and other devices confirm this.
        1. Asad
          Asad 23 July 2020 05: 57 New
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          Is this all already in service with the army?
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 23 July 2020 08: 51 New
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            Uranium 6 has already been installed)))
            1. unaha
              unaha 23 July 2020 11: 57 New
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              Uh-huh, which is Croatian mv4 and never a robot.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 July 2020 06: 48 New
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    Striped, it's good to do crap, and so the ocean was dirtied, add this garbage too.
  17. Maz
    Maz 23 July 2020 07: 31 New
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    Let them dream. The control of an underwater drone can also be intercepted, the ultrasonic signal can be distorted or replaced.
  18. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 23 July 2020 11: 14 New
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    The future belongs to drones and the one who ignores this truth is a fool. With the speed of technology development in the West, we will lag more and more behind. Time is against us. Accordingly, the time of a submarine with a crew in its current form is at most 30-40 years, and then an order of magnitude another level of AI. We have no prerequisites for a leap and are not foreseen, because no one in power is vitally interested in this. These people are either with two citizenships, or representatives of Western Capital, or represent
    the interests of peoples who are not state-forming.
  19. flicker
    flicker 23 July 2020 11: 52 New
    +1
    The answer to modern Russian submarines: the United States is developing underwater drones
    Ty, I'm in trouble too.
    For all sorts of drones, you can create ANTIdrones.
    For us, the sea is not the main transport medium; for us, the land environment is sufficient.
    But if we fill all the seas and oceans with cheap sea mines (including deep-sea ones), so much so that not a single tanker or dry cargo ship can sail, then we will posiotry. wassat how it will be fun to live there behind a puddle. laughing
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  21. Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 23 July 2020 13: 01 New
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    Quote: Operator
    delivery of 40-ton "Poseidons" under the keel of civil ships

    How ?
    1. Operator
      Operator 23 July 2020 15: 22 New
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      In various ways - for example, with the help of lodgements installed under the keel of ships and dropped after the Poseidon undocked.