UAC is considering the option of creating a Sukhoi Superjet with increased capacity

Russian short-haul aircraft Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) may receive a version with an increased passenger capacity. According to Vedomosti, citing sources familiar with the situation, the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is considering the possibility of developing a new version of the aircraft.

As the newspaper writes, the UAC is currently considering options for the development of Sukhoi Superjet for 115, 120, 125, 130 and 140 seats in a single-class layout. It is reported that, at the request of the UAC, TsAGI (Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute named after Zhukovsky) is already working on modeling the technical parameters of the liner and its behavior when the capacity is increased to a different number of seats.

However, the start of a new project to develop an aircraft with an increased passenger capacity is only possible after the UAC finishes the development of a new SSJ-100 new aircraft - a modernized liner of the current size, created mainly from Russian components. The UAC previously announced that deliveries of the SSJ-100 new are planned to begin in 2023.

In addition, a decision has not yet been made on the creation of a shortened version of the Sukhoi Superjet with 75 seats. As previously reported by the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company, the final decision on the creation of a shortened version of the aircraft will depend on the availability of firm orders for such an aircraft; currently, there is no decision on its creation.

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[Sahalinets]

Yes, you at least bring a hundred to mind first! After all, even our carriers are forced to push it!

[mdsr]

Quote: Sahalinets

Yes, you at least bring a hundred to mind first!

This flying monument to corruption is the standard of how one should not approach the construction of aircraft if your country strives to be at least partly an independent aviation country. How many hundreds of billions of budget money have already been poured into it and how many more are planned to be poured into it is simply unthinkable. Just think, after so many years from certification, its production and even maintenance is still unprofitable.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Sahalinets

After all, even our carriers are forced to push it!

What ours? Those who work on Boeing and watermelons?
To those who do business in Russia and "prescribe" the liners over the hill?
These are not ours. In the truest sense of the word.

Ours are those who in Russia both earn and spend.
Ours do not need to cram.

There is only one trouble - ours simply do not exist. They need to be created.

This is what they are doing.
Aeroflot managers correct the cuckoo.
Redwing is launched.
They create new rules for working in Russia.
The rules that will be for a person living and working in Russia.

And our planes are reliable. It is a fact.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: mdsr

Just think, after so many years from certification, its production and even maintenance is still unprofitable.

Another liberal mantra.

The construction of the Transib was unprofitable. It is a fact!
Transib made it possible to defeat the Germans. It is a fact.
Money cannot measure it. It is a fact.
An accountant will not build a country. It is a fact.

Superjet is the firstborn in the revival of Russian civil aviation. It is a fact.
It was impossible for others (completely Russian) to create it at that time. It is a fact.
The Superjet is reliable. No worse than Boeing and watermelons. It is a fact.

[Sahalinets]

Yah? All airlines are shying away from the Superjet. Read at least the materials of the conference of carriers on the operation of this miracle. And tie it up with jingoistic patriotism.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Sahalinets

Yah? All airlines are shying away from the Superjet.

The airline cannot shy away.
Specific people are going around.
Specific people receive a lot of money.

The same crap with tractors, bulldozers, excavators.
Their factories were ditched for the sake of imported equipment.
Who benefits from even a child.

And there, too, shy away.
Only they shy away not from something but somewhere.
And this shuffling brings these reckless individuals not a small income in their pockets.

[Sahalinets]

Are these people deliberately giving up on a lucrative plane?

[dimasik-nl]

They are not getting rid of the plane, but from the servicing. The plane has already flown a lot, both in Russia and abroad. 200 were released, of which 2 accidents were caused by the pilot.

[Sahalinets]

Not only from service. More from increased fuel and engine consumption. They are cracked after 1000 hours. For a civil engine, this is an epic fail. And accordingly they fly very little. And the plane standing on the ground is a complete loss.

[Rzzz]

And the fact is that the existence of an airline is impossible in Russian realities. Expenses for the purchase / leasing of equipment, insurance, tax burden, and other expenses will lead to the fact that only the cost of the flight will be higher than the retail price of competitors who work through offshore companies. Accordingly, you will not have passengers.

Our state itself is against the operation of airlines under the Russian flag, I don't know why.

[Garant_Solntselikij]

And our planes are reliable. It is a fact.

Yes, the electronics were knocked out by lightning, the landing gear pierced the tanks ... Of course, the pilot is to blame, but who else

[Rzzz]

Quote: Garant_Solntselikij

Yes, the electronics were knocked out by lightning, the landing gear pierced the tanks ...

By the way, the electronics and chassis are imported. The chassis is from the same company that it does for the airbus.
But the electronics did work, after all, the plane flew in and landed exactly on the runway. And the chassis didn't break. If you take a closer look at the video, you can see as if the seam of the wing box is diverging. The plane landed with a six-fold overload, and even almost at the limit of the landing weight. This is not a fighter that would withstand such loads, I think that the wings of the Su-27 would fall off from such a landing.
I see human factors there. Namely "factors", not one, but a bunch of them at once. Armored pilots, those who taught them, checked and signed papers for them that they know how to steer aeroplane, those who are responsible for emergency support at the airport, there are many "heroes".

[Kurare]

Quote: Sahalinets

Yes, you at least bring a hundred to mind first!

You read the article carefully:

However, the start of a new project to develop an aircraft with an increased passenger capacity is possible only after the UAC finishes developing a new aircraft SSJ-100 new - a modernized liner of the current size, created mainly from Russian components.

Those. all further evolutions will be AFTER the processing and already on the basis of an actually new aircraft, including the PD-8 installation, created on the basis of the PD-14 for the MS-21. By the way, they say that the MO is also interested in the new SSJ, but only after remotorization and import substitution.

[Sahalinets]

It will definitely not get better from import substitution, but certainly more expensive. And its engines will remain just as unreliable. And to whom shall we sell this miracle? Well, perhaps Iran and Cuba, and even then for a song ...

[loki565]

It will definitely not get better from import substitution, but certainly more expensive. And its engines will remain just as unreliable.

What is this logic of the blonde ???))) PS engines will be replaced with PD-8

[Sahalinets]

These engines are not yet available! And when they are brought to mind, only Gd knows ...

[loki565]

So re-read the article, and then your comment and all questions will disappear by themselves

[Sahalinets]

What to re-read, the next promises? Yes already fed up ...

[loki565]

What to re-read, the next promises? Yes already fed up ...

Well then, re-read your next all-gone)))

[Sahalinets]

Some people choose to deny the facts and live in a world of illusion. Do you recognize anyone?

[Sahalinets]

Just a quote:

PJSC UEC-Saturn will spend 1,5 billion rubles by the end of 2023 on the development of a high-pressure turbine of the PD-8 engine, which is planned to be used in the Be-200 (amphibious) and SSJ aircraft

https://vz.ru/news/2020/5/7/1038094.html
Do you still not believe that there is no PD-8 in nature, but it is still in development? And surely it won't be ready by 2023?
Well, then you only have to watch Solovyov ...

[max702]

He is on a salary, like half of those present here ..

[Kurare]

Quote: Sahalinets

It will definitely not get better from import substitution, but certainly more expensive.

And where does this information come from? And the fact that at any moment they can turn off the tap and then SSJ-you will stand up completely, did you not think?

Quote: Sahalinets

And its engines will remain just as unreliable.

Read above, read more carefully: REMOTORIZATION at PD-8.
The main problem with SaM146 is its hot part, which is produced in France.

I don't know how reliable the PD-8 will be. But your suggestion "not to do" just because it won't get any better is stupid.

[Sahalinets]

And where does this information come from? And the fact that at any moment they can turn off the tap and then SSJ-you will stand up completely, did you not think?

You are probably very far from our reality. The domestic manufacturer breaks the incredible price tag, especially for components, and their quality ... Take, they say, domestic!

[Kurare]

Quote: Sahalinets

The domestic manufacturer breaks the incredible price tag, especially for components, and their quality ...

Let's not generalize and put everything in one heap. There are examples from aviation - on the table. And if not, then your post is akin to trolling.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Sahalinets

And its engines will remain just as unreliable.

What makes you think that the engine is not reliable?
What makes you think that the new engine will be worse?

You're an engineer? Do you do engines?
Any facts?
Or so, try hunting?

Quote: Sahalinets

And to whom shall we sell this miracle?

You definitely won't sell to anyone. You don't have an airplane.

Airplanes, comrade accountant, are created not in order to sell, but in order to improve the country's transport system.
Of course, there is a money turnover in this system, but the state does not need profit from the sale, but the aviation industry and transport accessibility of our vast Motherland.

[Sahalinets]

Moreover, we still do not have a single world-class engine. Even in the military. Compare the resource of our fighter engines with those of America. And this despite the fact that we were already dealing with them seriously. Well, there is nothing to say about civilians.

[snucerist]

"Airplanes, comrade accountant, are created not to sell, but to improve the country's transport system."
This is a masterpiece.
Those. you need to rivet planes, but you don't have to sell? At the same time, the country's transport system will improve by itself? No sales?
Are you all right with logic?
Who needs a product if no one takes it? To do just to do? Pay salaries to employees, consume resources for the production cycle - materials, components, water, gas, etc.? If only a product would come out?
For what? To wallow in a warehouse? For who needs it without established maintenance and uninterrupted supply of consumables?
Take, for example, the RD-180 engine. Not rubbish, we note, not scrap metal, but a thing at the level of world standards. It would seem - just rivet according to the already worked out technology and row the loot with a river. But no. There is no demand for it in Russia. Nobody needs him. For the simple reason that there is no Russian carrier for it. Thanks, Americans take it. And even then only for Atlases. And then only for the time being. Therefore, the party is extremely limited. And soon this production will be in general.
And by Suprjet the situation is even worse. Well, this plane is not popular in Russia. Not among companies, not among pilots. Why turn a blind eye to this? Facts are stubborn things.
So the question remains - why make a product that is not in demand? You can, of course, reduce everything to coercion, as it was in the Soviet Union. But then at least the carcasses, yaks and silts were generally on a level with the exception of little things (such as noise, increased fuel consumption and in some places poor comfort).
And Superjet ... The history of its creation smelled bad from the very beginning. Why was it necessary to assemble the plane from mainly foreign components? To loudly announce: and we, they say, can ?!
And who was ultimately deceived? If this is just the case when import substitution needs to be really done not in words, but in deeds?

[Rzzz]

It should not be produced from "Russian components", but from components that can be bought anywhere without a three-month wait.
Otherwise, competition with A and B cannot be won.
Any downtime immediately nullifies all the advantages of an airplane.
Unfortunately, the manufacturers of "Russian components" are very slow, very clumsy. A spare part order can take months.

[Fungus]

Chukchi not a reader? In 2023, there will be a new modified version.

[mdsr]

Quote: Fungus

Chukchi not a reader? In 2023, there will be a new modified version.

It depends on what you mean by the word will. When was the PD-14 born? 5-7 years ago? He still hasn't finished testing. And if you delve into history, then the same best our PS-90 for twenty years was brought to mind. This is our most problematic engine. So, from the moment the PD-8 and PD-14 appear, a bunch of years can pass until they are brought to mind. Until that time, they will be hemorrhoids for developers, technicians, pilots, and airlines.

[SSR]

Quote: Sahalinets

Yes, you at least bring a hundred to mind first! After all, even our carriers are forced to push it!

is possible only after how the UAC will complete the development of the new SSJ-100 new aircraft - a modernized liner of the current size, created mainly from Russian components.

This is what they are doing at the moment, because the "partners" even with spare parts famously hooked up.

[Mavrikiy]

Russian short-haul aircraft Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100) may receive a version with an increased passenger capacity.

Is it really necessary for Russia? Or did China promise us its Asian market, or did Indonesia promise to buy everything?

[Senka naughty]

Is it really necessary for Russia? Or did China promise us its Asian market, or did Indonesia promise to buy everything?

Is it not an option for you to change all Russian civil parks for your own planes?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Senka Mad

Is it not an option for you to change all Russian civil parks for your own planes?

For God's sake. Only on our medium highways, the increased load is not relevant, the flight will be half empty. I'm talking about that.

[Nastia makarova]

and the battles mean fly half-empty?

[The leader of the Redskins]

This is, in general, a normal topic. The line of ANY passenger aircraft includes cabins of different capacities and layouts. The need for some is another matter.

[bar]

Unhappy suitcase without a handle ...

[prior]

It’s strange. Why design 5 types of aircraft for 115, 120, 125, 130, 140 passengers, if you can design one for 140.
And due to the transformation of the seating arrangement, to make a salon for 115, 120, 125 and 130 passengers, respectively ?!
What ? Do you want money for design again?
After all, "work on modeling the technical parameters of the liner and its behavior when increasing" or decreasing the load is still necessary.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: prior

And due to the transformation of the seating arrangement, to make a salon for 115, 120, 125 and 130 passengers, respectively ?!

Generally introduce standing places, 1-2 hours, spray. And the capacity .....

[Doctor]

It’s strange. Why design 5 types of aircraft for 115, 120, 125, 130, 140 passengers, if you can design one for 140.

Once I drove a Kamaz truck to the district warehouse 350 km away for a year's supply. Loaded 3 boxes of cubic meters each. NSh didn't give me a car for six months.

[Senka naughty]

Quote: prior

It’s strange. Why design 5 types of aircraft for 115, 120, 125, 130, 140 passengers, if you can design one for 140.
And due to the transformation of the seating arrangement, to make a salon for 115, 120, 125 and 130 passengers, respectively ?!
What ? Do you want money for design again?
After all, "work on modeling the technical parameters of the liner and its behavior when increasing" or decreasing the load is still necessary.

As the newspaper writes, the UAC is currently considering options for the development of Sukhoi Superjet for 115, 120, 125, 130 and 140 seats in a single-class layout.

This is exactly what is planned to be done if you do not understand.

[Eug]

How many regional airfields in Russia are capable of receiving and releasing an aircraft with an engine nacelle height of 65 cm above the takeoff? After the creation of a version on domestic components, for successful operation, a massive reconstruction of the runway will be required ...

[loki565]

How many regional airfields in Russia are capable of receiving and releasing an aircraft with an engine nacelle height of 65 cm above the takeoff? After the creation of a version based on domestic components, for successful operation, a massive reconstruction of the runways will be required ...

All who already accept Boeing / Watermelon

[Rzzz]

Look at the clearance of the B737, be surprised.

[Karaul73]

Quote: Vladimir16

Quote: mdsr

Just think, after so many years from certification, its production and even maintenance is still unprofitable.

Another liberal mantra.

The construction of the Transib was unprofitable. It is a fact!
Transib made it possible to defeat the Germans. It is a fact.
Money cannot measure it. It is a fact.
An accountant will not build a country. It is a fact.

Superjet is the firstborn in the revival of Russian civil aviation. It is a fact.
It was impossible for others (completely Russian) to create it at that time. It is a fact.
The Superjet is reliable. No worse than Boeing and watermelons. It is a fact.

Firstborn? And what was wrong with the Tu-334, Tu-204, which were hacked to please the Superjet? Already rolled back projects were killed.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Sentry73

Why were the Tu-334, Tu-204, k

They were great. It was difficult to make money only on them. And for an air show - just right, especially 334.

[senima56]

That's it! There was a flying TU-334! Well, if something did not suit you, so bring it to mind! But no! "We will create a NEW aircraft" the best in the world, inferior, and much superior "! And entrusted this" super task "to a company that NEVER (!!!) made civil aircraft! Billions of dollars were thrown into this failed project, and it is still unprofitable, like that "suitcase without a handle"! And why did no one answer for the spent state money ?!

[Vadim237]

No one will bring the 334 to mind - all the more so with the Ukrainian units and engines, the Il 114 is now a priority.

[senima56]

You talk about "now", and I - about "then"!

[NordUral]

Superjet is the firstborn in the revival of Russian civil aviation. It is a fact.

- he is the killer of Russian aviation!

It was impossible for others (completely Russian) to create it at that time. It is a fact.

It's a lie!

[iouris]

Type SSJ-100 Max. And the result can be like Boeing.
You need to start building an aircraft with engines and aviation equipment.

[pavelty]

Okay, okay, what to do with MC-21?

[Genry]

Quote: pavlentiy

MS-21

MS-21 is already in the 200 pax niche.
First analyze the characteristics, and only then spit out your indignation.

[pavelty]

You can spit in the mirror, hamlo

[NordUral]

It's time to shut down this Superjet and start developing 100% Russian projects. Otherwise he will devour them all.

[senima56]

“Otherwise he will devour them all!” - he has already devoured! "Thank you" Martirosyan!

[Xenofont]

Will Old Man Hotabych be hired to maintain airworthiness? "Fuck-tibidoch!" and the units are already new.

[NordUral]

What are you talking about, Xenofont?

[Xenofont]

The fact that the Superjet project itself was burned out by the lack of post-sale support.

[NordUral]

Sergei, they don't want to calm down. Everyone hopes that friends from the States will change their anger to mercy.

[Xenofont]

And I'm talking about the same thing: the main thing is to master the money.

[senima56]

Until there is a "NORMAL" engine, all this is "gimmicks and jumps"!

[yfast]

Doing nothing is bad, doing something bad. I wonder what prevents our military engines from catching up with America in terms of resource?

[Phoenix040]

We need a new aircraft, with domestic engines with a higher suspension of turbines under the wing. There is no point in spending money on this stillborn joint project with France.

[Pavel57]

Some kind of throwing. As in Soviet times, we did not do it, but we take on new, increased obligations.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Xenofont

The fact that the Superjet project itself was burned out by the lack of post-sale support.

It is not clear what is more important in this case, post-sales support, or a French turbine with a low resource.