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ROFAR will allow transferring the Su-57 fighter to the 5+ generation

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ROFAR will allow transferring the Su-57 fighter to the 5+ generation

Five years have passed since the announcement of the representatives of KRET (Concern "Radioelectronic Technologies") to begin work on a promising project related to the creation of radio-optical phased antenna arrays. Initially, the work was initiated by the FPI (Foundation for Advanced Research).


New technologies, as indicated, will allow for more compact and efficient radars. Devices based on ROFAR were positioned by the employees of the concern in 2015 as those that would enable domestic funds aviation receive all the necessary data on multiple and single targets at distances of more than half a thousand kilometers.

ROFAR technology assumes the use of RFM / D (radio frequency modulation / demodulation) of the main optical signals (photons).

An additional comment that could be heard from domestic developers was related to the fact that a promising radar will allow converting the signal into a visualized version, which will make it possible to further analyze potential targets. This makes it possible to implement, in particular, a wider frequency range in comparison with AFAR, with an upper bar of about 100 GHz.

Another major advantage of ROFAR is the stability of the radar to the action of electronic warfare (electronic warfare). To suppress the operation of devices with ROFAR, a generator is required, which is at least 2,5-3 times higher than the functionality of existing generators for electronic warfare systems. So far, such a generator (at least in the version of placement on an airplane, helicopter or UAV) does not exist even in the version of promising developments. If we draw any analogies, considering the potential actions of modern electronic warfare against systems with ROFAR, then this could resemble an attempt to keep water in the sieve.

This alone can give an understanding of how far the Armed Forces will step forward, if they receive devices based on ROFAR at their disposal.

However, at the moment, even less is known about the results of work in the direction of ROFAR in Russia than about similar work abroad. It is quite possible that this is even good. Since it is better to do it first, and then talk about it, than to make a sea of ​​promises and constantly postpone their fulfillment, as it often happens, by the way.

Just a month ago, there were reports of the development progress in Britain. We are talking about promising systems that are planned to be used as an integration of electronic warfare and communication / detection systems, including those based on ROFAR. A technology based on the use of a semiconductor compound such as gallium nitride GaN is said to be gradually being introduced. However, how long this "gradual introduction" will last and whether it will lead to the appearance of devices with radio-optical phased antenna arrays at all is also not clear.

ROFAR works in the USA, China, South Korea.

In this regard, it can be stated that the correspondence struggle for the possession of the ROFAR technology has now developed into a serious one. For Russia, obtaining the latest radars would enable them to equip fifth-generation Su-57 fighters, transferring them to at least generation 5+. The same can happen with the appearance of aviation radars with ROFAR in relation to the American F-35 and Chinese J-20.
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  1. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 July 2020 11: 38 New
    -34 qualifying.
    "ROFAR works in the USA, China, South Korea" ////
    ----
    Not ROFARs, but new generation AFARs.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 22 July 2020 11: 58 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Not ROFARs, but AFARs of a new generation

      AFAR (active PAR) for 20 years as the old generation. And they became widespread only in the last 10 years, after it was possible to achieve an efficiency of the transmitter that is acceptable for aviation.
      ROFAR (Radio-Optical Phased Array) is a new generation of radars based on radio-photonic technologies that can significantly expand the width of the signal spectrum.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 July 2020 12: 02 New
        -9
        They send to the object under study, in any case, not photons,
        and radio waves. The same AFAR module, but works in a broader
        range of radio waves.
        1. novel66
          novel66 22 July 2020 12: 35 New
          +6
          it will be necessary - and we will send the photons (oh, or is it already a laser?) lol
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 22 July 2020 12: 48 New
            21
            It will be necessary - just send laughing
            1. novel66
              novel66 22 July 2020 12: 48 New
              +5
              yes, this one we can
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 22 July 2020 13: 15 New
            +8
            "and send photons (oh, or is it already a laser?) lol ////
            -----
            good
            It will be called - LIDAR lidar.
            There really are photons being sent, and according to the time of arrival
            the reflected signal, the computer calculates the three-dimensional shape of the object.
            Used in cities - scanning buildings and in open areas -
            scanning mountains.
            1. dauria
              dauria 22 July 2020 13: 55 New
              13
              It will be called - LIDAR lidar.

              Yes, there is a mess in the article. Both the modulation of the carrier laser, which was actually used, and "radio-optical" in the sense of an elementary key - something that refers to a promising elementary
              base, not locators. And analog-to-digital conversion directly on the carrier and virtual superresolution in angle. They say that we can see the pilot's pants with polka dots, what is called the CAR (TSAFAR).
              And the reason is simple - no one in Google wrote what kind of animal they mean by the name ROFAR. laughingSo poor fellow journalists are prowling, scolding each other.
              "The calf is in the goose, but the crap I will do!" Is the most accurate.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 22 July 2020 14: 44 New
                +1
                Porridge in the article + vacuum in the head = "topwar" 2020 smile
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 12: 28 New
                  -2
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  vacuum in heads


                  It reminds me of someone! Well, yes. How could I forget !? This is your self-portrait.
        2. BAI
          BAI 22 July 2020 14: 38 New
          +6
          They send to the object under study, in any case, not photons,
          and radio waves.

          Have you heard about the dual nature of the photon? He is both a particle and a wave in one person.
        3. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 23 July 2020 11: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          They send to the object under study, in any case, not photons,
          and radio waves.

          As far as I know from my high school physics course, a radio wave can also be thought of as a low energy photon. So here we can only talk about the frequency of the wave or the energy of the photon. Such is this two-faced Janus.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 July 2020 12: 31 New
            +6
            This device operates from centimeter to submillimeter range
            wavelengths. Photons are still very, very far away. This is radar. AFAR of another
            range than current ones.
            And the photons are emitted by the laser. And if it takes it back, then it's a lidar.
            1. Mikhail m
              Mikhail m 23 July 2020 16: 50 New
              0
              Your misconception is very widespread, but try to clarify this issue at least with the help of Wikipedia.
        4. alex-defensor
          alex-defensor 23 July 2020 13: 53 New
          +3
          The fact of the matter is that it works precisely in the radio frequency range but with the use of optical principles. That is, like two in one. Read the link!
          https://vpk.name/library/f/rofar.html
          1. Mikhail m
            Mikhail m 23 July 2020 16: 55 New
            0
            the transition to the high-frequency radio range makes it possible to detect objects invisible in the optical range.
            Quote from the article at the link. Can you give an example of such an object of military equipment?
            1. alex-defensor
              alex-defensor 23 July 2020 18: 16 New
              +2
              I referred to an official source. All questions to the developers. I am sure that if such a device were easy to understand and build, it would have been built in the last century. The developer, and this is obvious, is in no hurry to reveal the physics of the process and it is clear why, but you can contact directly laughing maybe they will answer you, as an exception.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 July 2020 16: 56 New
            +1
            There is only one optics: photons generate radio waves.
            Radio waves are sent to the target.
            And the photons themselves do not work anywhere outside the device.
      2. MrFox
        MrFox 25 July 2020 12: 27 New
        0
        Now we still need to answer the question why we need to expand the signal spectrum
    2. Avior
      Avior 22 July 2020 12: 49 New
      0
      But I have never heard of this that I have never heard of ROFAR-based radars abroad.
      ROFAR works in the USA, China, South Korea.

      For some reason, information cannot be found about any such works
      1. vic02
        vic02 22 July 2020 13: 48 New
        +1
        For some reason, information cannot be found about any such works
        Probably because there is no desire.
        There is enough information about quantum radars. For example, in the news a year ago: "Another" world's first "quantum radar" https://vpk.name/news/318611_ocherednoi_pervyi_v_mire_kvantovyi_radar.html
        Or, for example, another first in the world already this year: "Physicists have created a microwave superconducting quantum radar for the first time" https://yandex.ru/turbo/s/nplus1.ru/news/2020/05/13/micowave-quantum-illumination
        1. Avior
          Avior 22 July 2020 14: 24 New
          +2
          Looked at the first link
          This is definitely not ROFAR, which is discussed in the article. Yes, there are the words quantum and photon, but something completely different is described.
          I didn't write about quantum radars
          hi
          1. vic02
            vic02 22 July 2020 14: 39 New
            0
            I didn't write about quantum radars
            I thought that the answer would be just that. Well then, explain to me what you mean by the word "ROFAR" and what is the difference from quantum radar, if you can, of course laughing
            1. Avior
              Avior 22 July 2020 14: 53 New
              +3
              You see, you are already making demands on me, indicating what I should do, although I did not demand anything from you. And I thought it was you, if you wrote a post to me, such things are explained in response to the outpost on ROFAR, you give links to quantum radar with a lesson that I was looking badly
              I'll write to you, and you will still demand that I continue to explain.
              ROFAR is a method of optical control of the APM of an airborne radar antenna
              Success
              hi
              1. vic02
                vic02 22 July 2020 15: 16 New
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                "PMM" - what else is it? belay There is a PPM - a transceiver module.
                ROFAR is a method of optical control of PMM antenna
                thanks, made me laugh for the rest of the day laughing ! That is, in your opinion, we are also talking about a conventional optoelectronic device such as a remote control for a TV.
                The article contains the phrase:
                ROFAR technology involves the use of RFM / D (radio frequency modulation / demodulation) of the main optical signals (photons)
                Despite all the illiteracy of this phrase, since a photon is not an optical signal, but an optical quantum or an EMP quantum, it is obvious that we are talking about the processing of EMP quanta by a radar in a wide frequency range, primarily in the radio range. And this is the very same quantum radar.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 22 July 2020 15: 36 New
                  0
                  Eck everything is obvious to you!
                  This is not the first article with a link to KRET on this topic, so the article is about the understanding of this term KRET, and not who wants to.
                  And if, like me, you did not find the use of the specific term ROFAR in the publications about which I wrote, but undertook to lecture me on what I desire and what I do not, then you would like to prove that KRET means by this term in a specific article about a specific development, and you, I see straight away from the phrase, which you yourself recognized as illiterate, made conclusions. I will tell you a secret, in old articles you will find it cooler, google KRET Rofar
                  And yet, yes, management of the PPM, you are in a hurry to read the answer, give time to correct the error
                  smile
                2. Aibolit
                  Aibolit 22 July 2020 19: 40 New
                  +5
                  Quote: vic02
                  And this is the very same quantum radar.

                  quantum radar somewhat different
                  The principles of the device are simple: instead of using conventional microwaves, the researchers entangle two groups of photons called signal and inactive photons. Signal photons are directed towards the object of interest, while idle photons remain and are measured in relative isolation, free from interference and noise. When photonic signals are reflected back, the true entanglement between the signal and idle photons is lost, but little correlation remains, creating a signature or pattern that describes the existence or absence of the target object - regardless of the noise in the environment.
                  good
                  1. vic02
                    vic02 23 July 2020 10: 15 New
                    0
                    We heard the ringing, but you don't know where he is. You at least read our previous dialogue before.
                3. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 23 July 2020 12: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: vic02
                  "PMM" - what else is it?


                  Well, how is that !? Makarov pistol Upgraded. Only with the context something is wrong.
      2. Aibolit
        Aibolit 22 July 2020 19: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        But I have never heard of this that I have never heard of ROFAR-based radars abroad.

        many knowledge many sorrows? They're so dumb, right? belay
        Yao J. Microwave photonics, IEEE. J. Lightwave Technol. 2009;



        Published 2017 Oct 23 Photonics-based real-time ultra-high-range-resolution radar with broadband signal generation and processing


        MAY 8, 2020 Physicists at the Austrian Institute of Science and Technology (IST Austria) have invented a new prototype radar that uses quantum entanglement as a method to detect an object.

        APRIL 20, 2020 The EPFL Research Group has been able to fabricate silicon nitride waveguides with the lowest loss in any photonic integrated circuit. Using this technology, the generated coherent soliton pulses have a repetition rate in both microwave K- (~ 20 GHz, used in 5G) and X-band (~ 10 GHz, used in radars).
        Demonstration of integrated soliton microcosms with microwave repetition rate connects the fields of integrated photonics, nonlinear optics and microwave photonics
        Quote: Avior
        For some reason, information cannot be found about any such works

        maybe your hands are crooked?
        1. Avior
          Avior 22 July 2020 20: 05 New
          +3
          Maybe curves, where do I care about you, I didn’t boast that they are the best for me? I just wrote that I have not seen this. And about "them" I did not seem to write anything bad, especially this
          They're so dumb, right?

          You probably have such an associative array, it seems, if this was deduced from my post.
          I am grateful to you that you even brought me links and pictures, you yourself understand, so much has been written on the Internet, forever.
          And where did you get the idea that what you brought is exactly the same ROFAR from the article that KRET is engaged in? There are similar words, why?
          Is KRET dealing with waveguides or quantum entanglement?
          Or did you just drop me something similar with the words that Google gave you in the search?
          After all, I wrote about a specific type of airborne radar, which KRET specifically claims to be developed, which is written about in the article.
          Did I write about something else? Did I ask for links on radio photonics in general? Such a wagon on the Internet, why do I need them? And you yourself were not embarrassed that there are two different technologies in your examples?
          Thank you, of course, that you were touchingly concerned about my development, but, really, it was not worth it to strain so much, especially since I did not ask about this specifically ...
          hi
        2. scientist
          scientist 22 July 2020 23: 05 New
          +7
          Quote: Aibolit
          They're so dumb, right?

          Quantum radar and radio-optical phased array use completely different physical phenomena. In the first case, the basis is the effect of quantum entanglement, and information is obtained from the analysis of changes in the recession of quantum pairs. In the second case, after the conversion of quantum energy into electromagnetic energy, the classical radar problem is solved. True, with much greater possibilities associated with a significant expansion of the signal spectrum and, as a consequence, the distribution of energy over the entire width with a proportional decrease in power and an increase in masking properties, + the possibility of superresolution. Although + superresolutions are relative, since the effect of many "bright spots" significantly reduces the energy potential of the reflected signal and the corresponding detection range.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 July 2020 06: 30 New
            +3
            I am confused that KRET immediately makes an airborne radar.
            Logically, sufficiently powerful modules for converting quantum energy into electromagnetic energy should be developed first.
            Some kind of working mock-up has been built, a prototype of just such a radar, and only then you can move on to the airborne ones for the fifth generation.
            And from their statements one gets the impression that they are skipping intermediate stages - there are no transformation modules, and the model is already being built.
            So the question arises - were the statements about the Ultra-high capabilities of such technology confirmed at all?
            How feasible is it?
            Somehow it seemed to me that at first they make at least some kind of radar based on these principles, confirm the characteristics, and only then - onboard for the fighter
      3. Fff
        Fff 23 July 2020 05: 53 New
        -1
        Because the Kytays have had it for a long time, they have already launched communication satellites based on entangled photons
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 22 July 2020 14: 23 New
      +1
      The article is another promise, about nothing
    4. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 24 July 2020 07: 55 New
      -2
      Don't be smart if you don't understand anything. ROFAR is based on a different direction finding method, the use of photons.
  2. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 22 July 2020 11: 41 New
    +5
    Of course, I would like to believe in these brilliant prospects ...
    But in fact, we see that they still cannot make a serial aircraft AFAR. And given the situation with the element base, this is not surprising. And therefore, when you read such victorious reports, for some reason skepticism arises and the word "Saw cut" pops up in my memory. How many times has it happened!
    1. Sneaky Urus
      Sneaky Urus 22 July 2020 12: 15 New
      +5
      There are no problems with the production of gallium arsenide (GaAs) microwave transistors for a long time. Rostech mastered the production of gallium nitride (GaN) transistors. Gallium is mainly mined in China (80%). But there is also in Russia (and in Ukraine too smile ) - enough for the AFARs for the eyes and ears, which means problems of a different kind. smile ROFARs have a slightly different element base associated with photodetectors, IMHO.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 July 2020 13: 18 New
      -1
      Perhaps rofar are going to be put into series at once.
    3. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 24 July 2020 07: 59 New
      +1
      Who told you that we do not have AFAR? Never heard of Zhuk-AE and Zhuk-AME? If there is already a country where the budget is being cut, it is the United States, that is where they steal so.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 22 July 2020 11: 44 New
    +3
    I don’t understand, what a quirk, it is necessary to have a "premium" figure, the definition of which is invented by someone ???
    There is a clear technically justified ADVANTAGE over the technique of others, but then call it what you want, if you did BETTER!
    You just need to do better !!!
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 22 July 2020 11: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      You just need to do better !!!

      Best the enemy of the good.
      All this verbiage.

      It is important to have weapons that allow our military to reliably deter enemies.
      The myrrh sky overhead is the result of this.

      The best, five +, three minus, unparalleled, blah blah blah

      Korea is now participating in the development.
      Only in the case of a naughty Korea will be wiped off the face of the earth in five seconds.

      History shows that Korea is only a territory where other states are waging war. No more.
      Russians and Americans clashed. In Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria.
      Let the koeytsy all go to the ram, proving their importance, but this was a confrontation between third countries on their territory.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2020 12: 04 New
        0
        Southerners began to create something of their own.
        Let's see what they do.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 22 July 2020 12: 10 New
          +3
          These are not southerners. They are Americans. Southerners are only a part of the global world space controlled by the Americans. Everything that is produced in the controlled territories belongs to the Americans. And Koreans and Jews and Europeans, they all work for Uncle Sem and with the permission of Uncle Sem.
          After all, it's cheaper and more practical to scatter tasks around the world and let someone succeed.

          Remember Japan? Thirty years ago, no one knew about Koreans.
          And then in an instant, Uncle Sem changed Japan to Korea.

          And if someone again thinks of themselves will break out - sanctions.
          And as the Jews say - thank you, Lord, for taking the money.
          Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 July 2020 12: 43 New
            0
            All the same, we will look, and then make final conclusions.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 July 2020 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      I don’t understand what quirk it is, it is imperative to have a "premium" figure, the terms of which are invented by someone

      Yankesy came up with these tsiferki and now they measure themselves with the whole world, like guys with pipis. For me, so let him be at least 1-, so long as he effectively performs his task.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 July 2020 12: 41 New
        0
        The way it is. The plane is flightable, flightable, no other.
        Also, the aircraft is capable of effectively performing the assigned tasks, YES / NO?
        That's all.
        1. Region68
          Region68 22 July 2020 13: 51 New
          +3
          Say nonsense ... Everyone has planes ... and all are airworthy and capable of performing tasks assigned to them ...
          But there are nuances as they say ... they decide everything
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 July 2020 14: 26 New
            +2
            We do not consider the state of agricultural aviation, for example, there are tasks there. Combat aviation has its own, well-known, specific tasks.
            Is our aviation capable of performing them effectively?
            By what is checked, confirmed, exactly YES.
            For what has not yet been verified, the answer is YES / NO.
            It will be better for everyone if you check, you don't have to confirm.
            By the way, who has real confirmation that he does have YES? Or is it NO?
            1. Region68
              Region68 22 July 2020 15: 01 New
              0
              Where is it checked? In Syria or what?
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  5. JD1979
    JD1979 22 July 2020 11: 54 New
    +3
    Again ... as I understand it, the orange varieties have all been researched. It is necessary to get into the topic of ROFAR.
    1. sg7s
      sg7s 22 July 2020 11: 58 New
      +2
      This topic comes up once a month ... We work, what to talk about. Whoever does it first in iron is a fine fellow, and everyone has already understood the direction ...
  6. Snail N9
    Snail N9 22 July 2020 11: 56 New
    -5
    Another - "catch up and overtake" - "super-duper", "there will be no analogs" ....
  7. VIP
    VIP 22 July 2020 12: 00 New
    -4
    "it is better to do it first, and then speak" precisely said.
    This ROFAR is certainly good if they only do it, otherwise they know how to promise "40 barrels of prisoners" and that's it
  8. Aag
    Aag 22 July 2020 12: 05 New
    -2
    The essence of the statement of the Sukhoi corporation is clear: if an elderly woman who has left reproductive age had primary sexual characteristics of the opposite sex, she would be ... well, you know, a grandfather)).
  9. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 22 July 2020 12: 10 New
    +1
    I thought something new ... And this is a retelling of rumors 5 years ago ...
    The chatter ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 July 2020 12: 52 New
      +2
      According to what they wrote several years ago, in 2019 in the summer of KRET was to present a working layout
      But for now there is silence about him
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 23 July 2020 06: 12 New
        -3
        And, as always, there are only two reasons: either something went wrong in the guts (they misunderstood - they did not work), or there is simply not enough money (they miscalculated the costs) - this also happens, and quite often ... and sawed off too much, but does not crawl into the throat, but girls with surnames reminiscent of the letter combination "Vasilyeva" who are in similar positions know about this best of all.
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  11. Boris Radevich_2
    Boris Radevich_2 22 July 2020 13: 20 New
    -4
    Eternal Glory to Russia!
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 July 2020 14: 51 New
      -7
      Quote: Boris Radevich_2
      Eternal Glory to Russia!

      ... and memory.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 23 July 2020 06: 16 New
        +4
        And what, you already have a funeral service for Russia? And what diagnosis did liberda give her (what caused her death?) laughing yes
        It’s a little early.You undertook to bury Russia ...
  12. Urs
    Urs 22 July 2020 13: 30 New
    0
    But I don't understand nifiga who, why and most importantly, by what criteria assigns these figures of generations. I have never heard about this organization, I know about the global certification system, but this is for civil aviation. They proudly hang these pluses on their planes. For me, I don't care, the rocket is dvina C75, probably according to the classification 1+, but it wets all sorts of "invisibles" for hello, let's remember what and where the first "invisible" F18 was filled up, yes, exactly with the "Shilkoy" ZSU23_4. meaning to hang a label 5+ on a car that a kid with a sling can dump.
    The same garbage with armored vehicles, of course, it can be convenient for narrow specialists.
    1. agond
      agond 22 July 2020 15: 01 New
      0
      Question about ROFAR, this device will generate (emit) light or only receive it as a matrix in the camera.?
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 22 July 2020 22: 16 New
      -3
      But I don't understand nifiga, who why and most importantly by what criteria assigns these figures of generations

      - Elementary Watson! The next generation of fighters should be able to guarantee to "blow" the previous generation in a duel situation, and the score should not be 1: 1, but 1: 5, 1:10 and better. Then the next generation can be assigned a number one more than the previous one. The difference in generations is due to the multiplicity of combat effectiveness - the ratio of victories and losses to each other. F-22 beats F-15, F-16, F-18 with a score of 144: 0. Therefore, he belongs to the 5th generation, and they - only to the 4th.
      What's so obscure?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 24 July 2020 02: 35 New
        0
        Where wins, in a computer shooting game? In which?
        1. Outsider
          Outsider 24 July 2020 10: 02 New
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          - At numerous (since 2005) complex exercises of all stripes.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 24 July 2020 11: 25 New
            0
            And it's straight 144: 0 lol ? I saw a little more modest numbers, and this was the result of computer modeling.
            1. Outsider
              Outsider 24 July 2020 12: 58 New
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              - These were completely real exercises "Northern Border". What does computer modeling have to do with it? In the early years, when the F-22 was not limited in any way in the exercises, the first "downing" of the F-22 occurred when the number of "dry" ("zero") victories of the F-22 exceeded 700!! laughing Then it became "not interesting to live" - ​​and on the F-22 they began to impose various restrictions on the exercises: their opponents were allowed to "come to life" up to five times after the "shot down": the "red", having received an indication that he was "shot down", instantly revealed by the central computer of the exercise by means of telemetry, had to pass 30 seconds in a straight line, after which he was considered "resurrected" and could again engage in battle with the "blues", including the F-22. Of course, the "blue" was not provided with such happiness - they shot down, so they shot down. Further: the F-22 could have banned the use of long-range missiles - only short-range missiles and a cannon - and spin as you want. Could have banned the F-22 from using missiles altogether - just a cannon! lol The Reds were given an AWACS aircraft, while the F-22s had to rely exclusively on their own airborne radars, the "red" ones were provided with electronic warfare aircraft - the F-22 did not have electronic warfare equipment, and so on.
              And yet, the F-22s have been victorious over and over again! Although not with such astronomical accounts already ...
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 24 July 2020 13: 21 New
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                The fact of the matter is that F22 super victories are achieved at long distances, where the effectiveness of missiles is laid down as 90%
                1. Outsider
                  Outsider 24 July 2020 13: 24 New
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                  - Actually, it is 97% for the AIV-120 of all modifications, and not 90%. Polygon, of course.
                  90% were in late Sparow models ...
                  1. Herman 4223
                    Herman 4223 24 July 2020 13: 44 New
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                    The highest sperm rates were achieved during Operation Desert Storm of about 30%, although the Iraqi pilots did not undertake evasive maneuvers or interfere.
                    Before Desert Storm, the efficiency was 6%. Out of line of sight and 10% within line of sight.
                    Recent examples include the conflict between India and Pakistan. Almost three dozen missiles and one MIG-21. In India, everything went into milk.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 July 2020 16: 02 New
    +2
    Let's, first, make and see the 5th generation with AFAR ..... then the modernized 4th generation with AFAR. We will master serial production and immediately switch to RoFar
    1. Genry
      Genry 23 July 2020 02: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Let's, first, make and see the 5th generation with AFAR ... then the modernized 4th generation with AFAR

      And there is also a problem with composites ... Therefore, it is necessary to make aircraft out of plywood (a composite of the previous generation).
  14. Yuriy Filatov
    Yuriy Filatov 22 July 2020 18: 01 New
    0
    Pavilion!
    Already in the confrontation between the F-22 and the SU-57, the Russian plane received one plus =)
    1. Aag
      Aag 22 July 2020 19: 33 New
      -1
      Quote: Yuri Filatov
      Pavilion!
      Already in the confrontation between the F-22 and the SU-57, the Russian plane received one plus =)

      I don't even know how to assess parity, efficiency, - you can't divide by zero! Sorry, that's how they taught ...
    2. Outsider
      Outsider 22 July 2020 22: 08 New
      -1
      - I have not received, but is going to receive! Before that, they were going to put a serial on-board radar with AFAR and it was called N-036 "Belka". Are her tests still going on? Or is it already over?
  15. Aag
    Aag 22 July 2020 20: 11 New
    0
    Today marks the 125th anniversary of the birth of Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi ... Bright memory ... I'm afraid the quiet hero would not be happy about what is happening ...
  16. AML
    AML 22 July 2020 20: 53 New
    0
    Quote: BAI
    They send to the object under study, in any case, not photons,
    and radio waves.

    Have you heard about the dual nature of the photon? He is both a particle and a wave in one person.


    That yes, the photon is generally a "magic particle". 0 mass, 0 charge. But, just in case, he was credited with backs, so as not to rewrite the theory. And then suddenly there is a charge, but we are not ready, and so, well, like the spin turned. With this approach, any nature can be attributed.
  17. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 22 July 2020 21: 04 New
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    Not a single serial has yet been built, but they are already talking about 5+ ... Eh guys, sip honey with your lips))
  18. Outsider
    Outsider 22 July 2020 21: 59 New
    -1
    - No, guys, you need to send gravitons anyway! As a last resort - tachyons! Well, at worst - neutrinos!
  19. Sars
    Sars 23 July 2020 16: 49 New
    0
    Another ten years, various modernizations and the Su-57 can be equated to the 5th generation, another twenty years - to the sixth, thirty - to the 7th. There is no limit to perfection and the amount to master it.
  20. igrx
    igrx 23 July 2020 18: 55 New
    0
    This is very interesting material!
    1. igrx
      igrx 23 July 2020 18: 56 New
      0
      Yes you are right sir