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"Deep power" in the Soviet Union: on the prerequisites and consequences of the collapse of the USSR

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"Deep power" in the Soviet Union: on the prerequisites and consequences of the collapse of the USSR

The subject of the collapse of the USSR is extremely painful for millions of citizens of our country. A huge state with one of the strongest armies in the world, with effective special services, with an ideology, with a large percentage of self-sufficiency, ceases to exist almost overnight. Of course, this raises at least questions to those persons, during whose rule irreversible processes suddenly began to occur.


Reflecting on these questions, some experts in Russia touch upon the existence of “deep power” in the Soviet Union. Was the CPSU politically and ideologically homogeneous? Or, to a greater extent, as often happens today, it was the ruling party, to which all those who wanted to use membership only in their own interests managed to stick?

Vyacheslav Matuzov, a guest on the air of Day TV, who previously worked as a responsible employee of the international department of the CPSU Central Committee, reflects on the topic of "deep power" in the USSR, as well as on the topic of globalists and Trotskyists. Among other things, the conversation raises the topic of the fact that people who found themselves in high positions in the last period of the existence of the Soviet Union played their role. The host asks the question, why did it happen that these people were in these posts.

On the prerequisites and consequences of the collapse of the USSR, on the problems of globalism and Trotskyism:

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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 05: 10 New
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    Nothing new was discovered. Some details.
    From the very beginning, the ideas of socialist development were unacceptable to the supporters of capitalism. Perversion of methods of economic management, material incentives and other, incomprehensible to perception, phenomena "sharpened" the socialist system, like rust iron.
    You can still clearly see this theory of Overton windows, when we are "accustomed" to homosexuality, slave labor, loyalty to wealth (even of unknown origin). Along with this, the most common human qualities are ridiculed and denigrated: trust, adherence to principles, honesty ...
    I can only say one thing: the notorious committee played not a weak job in the collapse of the USSR and discrediting socialism, in whose power it was to put in place both the stupid GMC and the presumptuous drunkard.
    The tempting opportunity to become “immediately” the owners of capital and the actual owners of the people's property overcame all the nobility. Greed, unrestrained (inexplicable) thirst for profit in any way rallied the flock of "nouveau riche". And we are all waiting and hope that someday they will come to their senses, that someday a rose will grow from a thistle ...
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 23 July 2020 07: 21 New
      +9
      The whole problem was that after Stalin's death the system stopped cleaning itself from rot. So all the abomination from khrushch to humpback climbed into power. And the KGB was no exception. Stalin did not leave behind a worthy successor. Beria was eaten not without the help of Zhukov, and there were no other worthy people there, well, perhaps only Kosygin, but he would not have been allowed to the sole power.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 23 July 2020 09: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        The whole problem was that after Stalin's death the system stopped cleaning itself from rot. So all the abomination from khrushch to humpback climbed into power. And the KGB was no exception.

        First of all, under Stalin there was a CLEANING IN THE PARTY. Which, after the death of Stalin in the country, was abolished by Khrushchev.

        The careerist-bureaucratic degeneration of the former "Leninists" - participants in the civil war who managed to head important party and economic posts in the country's regions after the civil war - began under Stalin in the mid-1920s. Among such leaders, in particular, was N.S. Khrushchev.
        The reincarnated people began to feel themselves the masters of the regions independent from the center.

        In this regard, and there was a need for purges in the party from career shifters.
        It was thanks to these purges in the party of the USSR that he won a victory over Nazi Germany in the Second World War.


        With Khrushchev's rise to power, the Stalinist purges in the party were CANCELED.

        People who challenged Stalin. Andrey Fursov. • 22 Mar Dec 2019
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 23 July 2020 12: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          In this regard, it became necessary to purge the party from shape-shifting careerists.

          Tatiana and a lot of shifters cleaned out ... exactly shifters? And if they were cleaned out, how did Khrushchev, Mikoyan, Malenkov, Beria, Voroshilov, Kaganovich, Budyonny stay in power? Here is a riddle then? Stern was shot, and Vlasov became a favorite, Pavlov was shot, and Oktyabrsky also received a Hero for surrendering Sevastopol! Will we be able to rethink what happened to our country after the 17th year? Tell the truth to ourselves? Here, at least under the article .... somebody will tell the truth what is the reason for the collapse of the USSR? After all, it all began much earlier than Gorbachev. So what is your real reason?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 July 2020 14: 55 New
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            Quote: Serg65
            Will we be able to rethink what happened to our country after the 17th year? Tell the truth to ourselves? Here, at least under the article .... somebody will tell the truth what is the reason for the collapse of the USSR?
            There are several reasons.
            Primarily first reason lies in the imperfection of the m / l itself. theory. There are very serious methodological errors from the standpoint of the dialectical-materialist method - i.e. from the standpoint of the most perfect - in the scientifically sound sense - of the philosophical method. And these mistakes were made by Marx himself, and Lenin simply did not critically miss them as a guide to action. Lenin categorically "did not see" sophistic errors in Karl Marx's theory.
            In other words, the m / l theory is internally logically contradictory and, by and large, cannot be fully used as a guide to action. It needs improvement - in the sense of correcting logical errors. But the communists do not want to admit this, they cannot, because they themselves do not possess the dialectical-materialist method.
            As a result, the communist parties therefore "RELEASED" and turned, at best, into the party of social democrats and nothing more. The people will not follow them either. For this in the country, the communists do not have a full-fledged theoretical basis.
            If you correct m / l. theory, it turns out that SOCIALISM can be built, but COMMUNISM never.
            This is a very serious question. And if we again follow the same - not corrected - m / l. theory, then we will ruin the country a second time and lose it completely.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 23 July 2020 15: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: Serg65
              Here, at least under the article .... somebody will tell the truth what is the reason for the collapse of the USSR? After all, it all began much earlier than Gorbachev. So what is your real reason?
              There is another reason as a consequence of the first. This is the existence in the country since 1917 of the Russian question with the administrative-territorial division of the Bolsheviks of Soviet Russia on the basis of i.e. TITLE nationality. Namely.

              The development of Soviet Russia - the first socialist in the world. State was twofold - CONFLICT - character.
              On the one hand, Russian people who believed in a communist. the idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and. being the bearer of a DOMINANT, not a small-town-outskirts national mentality, on all fronts of the public. construction really created socialism within the entire country as its entire multinational. Homeland. In principle, he had nothing else to do.
              But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former royal nat. outskirts, where feudal relations and own nat prevailed. the proletariat was absent (there were no carriers of the proletarian mentality there), power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control received the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords.
              National industry was built by the hands of Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
              At the same time, everything that was created was truly a national council over the years. power in the once backward tsarist nat. in the outskirts - it is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.).
              This nat. the party and Soviet bureaucracy and the intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to those who came, in their opinion, to “hump the Russians against them” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev's “new thinking”.

              TOTAL National problems in the USSR were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. And the counter-bourgeois coup of 1991 in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 24 July 2020 10: 55 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                the first reason lies in the imperfection of the m / l itself. theory

                Tatyana, your concept is quite interesting, at least it makes you think about the reasons for the creation of Marxism.
                Quote: Tatiana
                one more reason as a consequence of the first

                This reason is also quite interesting, if we disassemble this reason by the bones, then we will see a lot of interesting things !!!
                Peace Decree of November 8, 1917 ...
                "If any nation is kept within the boundaries of a given state by violence, if, contrary to the desire expressed on its part, it does not matter whether this desire is expressed in the press, in popular assemblies, in party decisions or in indignations and uprisings against national oppression, it is not granted rights by a free vote, with the complete withdrawal of the troops of the annexing or generally stronger nation, to resolve without the slightest compulsion the question of the forms of state existence of this nation, then its annexation is annexation, that is, capture and violence. "
                With this, the Bolsheviks, without knowing it, opened the Pandora's box!
                But Tatyana, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see in these reasons the sprouts of the future collapse of the USSR.
                Here is my personal view of this phenomenon ...
                The "black" year for the Bolsheviks, in my opinion, was 1907! What is so remarkable about this year ... in the spring of the 5th Congress of the RSDLP banned exs, which hit hard on the Bolshevik cash desk. In the summer, on the direct orders of Lenin, Krasin and Bogdanov involve Stalin in the Tiflis robbery of a postal carriage. This robbery caused a great uproar in the Central Committee of the RSDLP. Lenin, in order to look white and fluffy in front of the Central Committee, dumps all the blame on Krasin and Bogdanov, i.e. essentially surrenders them. In my opinion, it was then that Stalin understood the whole essence of the RSDLP, and it consisted in the fact that the party struggle is not done with white gloves and that the struggle for the freedom of the people is just a screen covering a banal struggle for power. What was Stalin after the revolution .... this is an incessant struggle for power! And this fight cannot be called fair.
                What's the bottom line? As a result, Stalin removed all Leninists from his road, resulting in an administrative vacuum. Taking advantage of the leader's suspicion and lust for power, all and sundry rushed into this vacuum. And there were eulogies, denunciations, undercover games. As a result of natural selection by the end of the 30s, a group of "loyal Stalinists" was formed, which ultimately outplayed Stalin himself!
                Output. If we discard all the husks and highlight the essence, then the root cause of the collapse of the USSR, paradoxically, was the character of Stalin, namely suspicion, distrust, insidiousness, Georgian pride! It was precisely these features of the Stalinist character that the unscrupulous party stratum took advantage of. It was this group of "Stalinists" who, through denunciations, spreading rumors, participating in the notorious "troikas", removed little competitors from their path, it was this group that accelerated Stalin's death, it was this group that laid the foundations of the ideology of the collapse of the USSR!
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 23 July 2020 19: 10 New
            +2
            So what is your real reason?
            The fact that the USSR actually lost the Second World War ... Among other things, about 4 million sincere communists died, besides, they were still grounded in theory .. The best of the best, those who were the first with a grenade under a tank to climb for their socialist Fatherland .. Otherwise, they could not ... And the Union did not manage to compensate for this loss ... If they were alive - hell, they would have allowed Khrushch and the nomenclature to get loose like that. And ultimately lead the state to death ... Comrade Stalin was right, as always - cadres decide everything ..
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 July 2020 10: 59 New
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              Quote: paul3390
              The USSR actually lost the Second World War

              And how did he lose this war ???
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 24 July 2020 12: 30 New
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                As everybody. For the war can be considered won when, according to the results, you are in positive territory and managed to cover the losses incurred .. The USSR lost more than 20 million, of which 4 million were communists, a colossal amount of property was lost. And in return - we got a bunch of worthless bums from Eastern Europe .. Where is the victory here? Yes - they fought back, yes - they survived, but nothing more. Please note that in the USSR the Victory Parade was held only THREE times, in the 47th, on the 20th and 40th anniversary .. And on May 9 until the 65th it was generally a working day. Why do you think? Yes, because our leadership believed that there was nothing to celebrate. To remember forever, to be proud, to tell children - but not to celebrate .. Here is the United States - those on the results of the ratio of losses and gains clearly won. And everyone else, even the USSR and Great Britain, alas, lost ..
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 24 July 2020 13: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Yes - fought back, yes - survived, but no more

                  Somewhere I have already heard it ... in my opinion, Suvorov ...
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 24 July 2020 13: 48 New
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                    But in fact - there is something to say? Is there a reasoned objection? Why, for example, in the USSR, the 9th of May was not celebrated? And the parades were not held? Huh? I think that Comrade Stalin and those who fought knew better what had happened. Squirting patriotic saliva is much easier than thinking ..
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 24 July 2020 14: 54 New
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                      Quote: paul3390
                      Squirting patriotic saliva is much easier than thinking ..

                      laughing Do you still think?
                      Quote: paul3390
                      I think - Comrade Stalin and those who fought, knew better what happened

                      Of course you know better wink People are the Winner !!! So the people grew bolder, turned up their nose, began to ask unnecessary questions wink The NKVD camps were filled with front-line soldiers because they did not win? Zhukov with a face on the table and to Odessa because they didn't win? Kuznetsov was mixed with manure because they did not win? After the military repression for not winning? Huh? What the hell is a parade when the Soviet people have forgotten who is the boss! And you say lost! You need to think Pavel (Whom do you, my friend, remind me of!), And not push other people's ideas for the truth !!!
          3. lelik613
            lelik613 25 July 2020 07: 48 New
            0
            Under Stalin, a building was built, but they forgot about the sewage system and SHIT chopped with axes. And after that they simply preferred not to notice, raking into a corner. And by 91 IT climbed to the roof.
        2. snucerist
          snucerist 28 July 2020 20: 25 New
          0
          Those. has Khrushchev been one of such degenerates since the 20s?
          Then the question arises: why did Stalin, regularly, as they write here, carry out purges in the party, did not cleanse Khrushchev?
          Was Stalin myopic? Didn't recognize the reincarnated traitor Khrushchev? A class enemy? A threat to the party?
          Or did the reincarnated Khrushchev suit Comrade Stalin in all respects?
          Eh?
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 23 July 2020 12: 43 New
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        Quote: Varyag_0711
        The whole problem was that after Stalin's death the system stopped cleaning itself from rot.

        what Alexei, after all, after Stalin, the people most loyal to Stalin, people who were ready to kiss Stalin's boots just to get a piece of bread from his table, stood at the helm of the state! Maybe they are not the problem?
      3. businessv
        businessv 24 July 2020 19: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Beria was devoured not without the help of Zhukov, and there were no other worthy people there, well, perhaps only Kosygin, but he would not have been allowed to the sole power.
        Until I read up to Zhukov, I wanted to put a plus, but it is simply not worth comparing the merits of Beria and Zhukov to the country. It was Beria who said that the country does not need so many marshals (although he himself was in this rank) and they should be sent to the civil service, which ruined life and service for the benefit of the Motherland, very many. For Zhukov and Beria, people were "consumables", so to speak, but Zhukov felt sorry for the people and took care of them, while Beria was an ardent supporter of forceful solutions to all problems. Therefore, I do not consider Beria not only "worthy", but even an unworthy person, like his henchman, the sadist Yezhov - these are non-humans.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 23 July 2020 12: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I can only say one thing: the notorious committee played not a weak job in the collapse of the USSR and discrediting socialism, in whose power it was to put in place both the stupid GMC and the presumptuous drunkard.

      laughing Vasilich, then the Trotskyists are to blame for you, the skis are not going, now here is the committee. But the problem is much deeper! Try without emotions and ideology to analyze the entire history of the RSDLP (b), the VKP (b), the KPSS! By the way, why are there so many names of the seemingly one and the same party? Maybe this is the answer to the reasons for the collapse of the Union, and not at all in the committee?
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 23 July 2020 19: 04 New
      +1
      "After 1953, nationalists and careerists-bribes came to power on the ground in the USSR. Covered from the Kremlin. When the time comes, they will throw off their masks, throw away party membership cards and openly rule their counties like feudal lords and serf-owners ..."Mao
  2. arhitroll
    arhitroll 23 July 2020 05: 27 New
    +2
    One of the main real prerequisites is the lack of motivation to develop (including between people). The communists did not think over this issue to the end.
    Example:
    1) Vasya - the future good welder has already started smoking and is walking with girls at school. Lesha - the future chief engineer at this time studying sits at textbooks, envies in the window.
    2) Vasya goes to college or "sharaga" and continues to enjoy life, has already lost his virginity, bought himself a motorcycle. Lesha finishes his studies at school and goes to university - where he continues to spoil his eyesight for five years. She spends her parents' money on school and keeps her virginity carefully.
    3) Vasya does not take a steam bath - he goes to work from 8 to 17 - reluctantly agrees to overwork - women are waiting for Vasya. Lesha begins a long journey at the plant - starting with the operator. Goes through all jobs. Books. Practice. Books ...
    and so on and so forth. And at that moment when Vasya continues to hone his profession, Lesha finally reaches his goal. And at this wonderful moment it turns out that the basis of the society is Vasya. Seeing this, not all Lesha continue to develop, learn - make discoveries, etc.
    Separately, I will note that I have the most respect for work, especially with my hands. But this unresolved issue (by the way, is strongly hushed up among the communists / socialists, instead of trying to solve it) strongly affects the stopping of development.

    Apparently a person (with a small letter) is a beast (with a capital letter) and does not yet deserve a fair society ...
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 23 July 2020 06: 14 New
      -5
      From the eighth grade Vasya earns his own living, receives a specialty, and Lesha sits on his parent's neck. Vasya got his specialty and started working, and Lesha is sitting on his parent's neck, Vasya has served, and maybe fought in the army or in the navy for 2-3 years, being wounded, and Lesha is sitting on his parent's neck. After Vasya's army, the girls are in great demand. and Lesha once approached the girl, and got a turn from the gate. The girl knew that Lesha went to college so as not to go to the army.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 July 2020 07: 33 New
        +6
        Quote: Free Wind
        The girl knew that Lesha went to college so as not to go to the army ...

        I will draw a few more situations from life:
        Engaging in productive work, mastering new equipment, Vasya understands exactly which nodes are flawed (design errors) that negatively affect productivity, and brings his rationalization proposal to Lesha, who represents the production process in theory, but he knows for sure that Vasya earns more than him and girls like guys like Vasya. So he ...
        Or ... During his work, Vasya made tens (hundreds) of thousands of parts with his own hands, and Lyosha, being an engineer at that time, improved the PTB, raised prices or pretended that thanks to his thought processes, the entire production was moving ...
        Or ... After graduating from some aviation or shipbuilding institute at the state expense, Lyosha suddenly realizes that this is not him and becomes a party organizer (Komsomol organizer), or some kind of humorist, or goes into government. Vasya all this time continues to create material values ​​...
        Or... wassat
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 23 July 2020 12: 40 New
          +3
          Lesha finishes his studies at school and goes to university - where he continues to spoil his eyesight for five years.

          The girl knew that Lesha went to college so as not to go to the army.

          Lyosha, being an engineer at this time, improved the PTB,

          Lyosha suddenly realizes that this is not his and becomes a party organizer (Komsomol organizer),

          Not so.
          Lesha entered and graduated from the Gorky Polytechnic, then the Leningrad Engineering and Economics, and there he met Tolya.
          Then he worked as an economist at the Cherepovets Metallurgical and became Director for Economics and Finance.
          Then he carried out the correct privatization, organized his own company and is now in 4th place in the Forbes list in Russia.
          And Vasya remained Vasya.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 23 July 2020 13: 06 New
          -2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Or.

          So I say ... DEATH TO ENGINEERS, BOTH LEARNING! GIVE A WORKING SMILE !!!!!!!
          good
      2. arhitroll
        arhitroll 23 July 2020 08: 58 New
        +1
        You only confirm the desire of a popular person to be Vasya - in the end, a loss to competitors.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 23 July 2020 13: 03 New
        -3
        Quote: Free Wind
        Lesha went to college so as not to go to the army.

        Conclusion, we will shut down all institutes and universities to hell !!! All the same, there is no sense from them !!! good
        Quote: Free Wind
        Vasya received his specialty and started working

        It's much easier! While Lesha was taking the sessions, Vasya realized and joined the party, received a "behind-the-ear" higher education, and by the time Lesha became a certified engineer, Vasya was already the head of the shop! from here one more conclusion .. learning may be light, but the PARTY is still cooler !!! bully
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 23 July 2020 15: 02 New
          0
          Be so kind as not to distort, like Lesha, who is struggling to preserve his virginity, in the dark under the covers. I did not write about the unnecessary need for study. Simply "all sorts of professions are needed, all sorts of professions are important." Therefore, I don't think I need to whine that Vasya gets more than a safety engineer. Learning is light, but ignorance, a little light and back to work.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 24 July 2020 11: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Free Wind
            Please do not juggle

            How can you not distort laughing
            Quote: Free Wind
            Lesha sits on the parent's neck. Vasya received his specialty and began to work, and Lesha sits on his parent's neck, Vasya served, and maybe fought in the army or in the navy for 2-3 years, being wounded, and Lesha sits on his parent's neck

            You write in plain text that botanists are going to institutes who want to exclude the army exclusively!
            Quote: Free Wind
            Lesha, struggling to preserve virginity

            Were you a student living in a hostel? In the hostel, even curtains do not have virginity!
            Quote: Free Wind
            Therefore, whine that Vasya gets more than a safety engineer

            I whine about it somewhere?
    2. The popuas
      The popuas 23 July 2020 06: 21 New
      +8
      Yeah ... welder Vasya ruined the union fool
    3. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 23 July 2020 07: 54 New
      +6
      arhitroll (Alexander)
      One of the main real prerequisites is the lack of motivation to develop (including between people). The communists did not think over this issue to the end.
      They even thought it over. Or do you think development is compulsory higher education? You can develop in different ways.
      A good example is the dialogue from the film "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears" Gosha and Alexandra after the fight, where he says that not everyone wants to be leaders. And he is 100% right, if everyone rushes to managerial positions, then who will work?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 July 2020 09: 05 New
        0
        For a highly skilled worker, a higher education will not hurt. An engineer is not always a leader. In the same aviation, many engineers work by hand.
    4. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 23 July 2020 08: 26 New
      +3
      Yeah, it's not even funny ... but maybe everything is different?
      After the sharaga, Vasya first goes to the army (and Lesha at this time gets to the girls at the institute).
      Vasya has been painting the grass for two years and is engaged in fulfilling the wishes of the Motherland (mainly solving tactical tasks of officers), then he comes to the plant and begins "lazily" to carry out the plan, standing at the machine for days, while coffin his eyesight, hearing, spine and, for dessert, sniffing Coolant, metal vapors and other production wastes.
      Lesha, meanwhile, is clean and goes to the department and becomes an engineer - the salary may be less, but there is no heat and cold, and the same women love more clean and intelligent engineers, and not "unpromising, pale and grimy Vasek" 27 years from "GOST working conditions" look like 40+ years ...
      That is why the USSR appreciated the worker more, because in fact, this is a suicide bomber - a person ruined health several times faster, while the worker's knowledge should be at the level of an engineer.
      There is no need to say anything about the worker - he did not ride anything on other people's humps in any era
      1. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 23 July 2020 11: 19 New
        +2
        Cottodraton (Nikolai)
        Quote: Cottodraton
        Lesha, meanwhile, is clean and goes to the department and becomes an engineer - the salary may be less, but there is no heat and cold, and the same women love more clean and intelligent engineers, and not "unpromising, pale and grimy Vasek" 27 years from "GOST working conditions" look like 40+ years ...
        That is why the USSR appreciated the worker more, because in fact, this is a suicide bomber - a person ruined health several times faster, while the worker's knowledge should be at the level of an engineer.

        Apparently, you've never worked as an engineer. You haven't asked yourself why:
        Quote: Cottodraton
        fulfill the plan, standing at the machine for days, while coffin vision, hearing, spine and, for dessert, sniffing coolant, metal vapors and other production waste.

        Why weren't CNC machines created? At one time, engineering work, especially in the civilian sector of industry, was equated to 0. In the defense sector, it was slightly better.
        Now, let's consider this option:
        I am Lesha, a design engineer. developed a mechanism. During development, I made a mistake - I did not calculate the shaft correctly: let's say instead of a diameter of 25 mm, I indicated 20 mm in the working drawing.
        Vasya has "golden hands" but he assembled it according to the drawings with an error!
        Now tell me, what is the use of this mechanism and Vasya's work?
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 28 July 2020 18: 29 New
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          Vasya is a performer! He is not obliged to guess what is there and who is planning ... He was given a drawing and he is obliged to do the work on it. If according to the drawing it turned out to be in tolerance, but the work was defective, these are questions for designers and engineers. Vasya is the last person here.
          As for the CNC, you need to turn the nuts there, and sometimes not less, especially when the programs are 2 minutes long. In addition, this profession has a minus - it is always post-work in 3 shifts, with many delights - especially insomnia from irregular working hours. And yes, I have seen more than once how "Vasya" rewrote programs for engineers ... for using this program it was possible not to make a part, but to pierce the machine with a mill.
          I do not need to see the work of an engineer, I am an employee of the 5th category with more than 15 experience, moreover, with an engineering education received on the job ... I know perfectly well how both "Lesha" and "Vasya" work.
          And "Vasya's" fate is much worse. I say this as a direct participant
      2. Bumblebee_3
        Bumblebee_3 23 July 2020 11: 29 New
        +2
        Cottodraton (Nikolai)
        I was very pissed off by the fact that a method such as "price revision" was being used for productivity purposes. Again, my work was simply swept aside. Let's go back to the same shaft: production technology. I am Lesha, indicated: Turnovers - O, feed - P, shaft production time - B, how can you make it faster? yes easily - breaking the technology. Hence the poor quality of the product.
    5. bober1982
      bober1982 23 July 2020 08: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: arhitroll
      Apparently a person (with a small letter) is a beast (with a capital letter) and does not yet deserve a fair society ...

      Every man is a lie (Psalm 115 of King David)
      A spoken thought is a lie. (F. Tyutchev)
      There has never been any just society, and there never will be, this is a lie.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 23 July 2020 09: 47 New
        +2
        Everyone says there is no truth on earth.
        But there is no truth above.
        This is as clear to me as a simple scale.

        A.S, Pushkin. "Little Tragedies".
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 23 July 2020 09: 59 New
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          A.S. Pushkin is our everything!
    6. lucul
      lucul 23 July 2020 08: 48 New
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      Example:
      1) Vasya - the future good welder has already started smoking and is walking with girls at school. Lesha - the future chief engineer at this time studying sits at textbooks, envies in the window.

      That is the whole problem, that it is undesirable for the conventional Lesha to hold a leading position - there will be no "exhaust" from him at all. He is incapable of creation. And he received his higher education, only because he has a low hormonal background, which is why he was able to sit at textbooks.
      And in the conditional Vasya, hormones are raging with might and main, which means that life is in full swing, he is capable of creation, he does not wait for instructions, he himself sees how to do it. But because of the powerful hormonal background, at this age, he is completely unable to sit still, behind textbooks, the body resists. And this moment is KEY - Vasya needs to be made to learn by any means, I repeat, by any - from him in the future there will be the maximum "exhaust".
      And in our country, without exception, with a higher education conditional "Lesha" - they are not capable of creation, they are still waiting to be told what to do and most importantly how. A gamma male is by definition a follower, not a leader ...
    7. veritas
      veritas 23 July 2020 09: 01 New
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      One of the main real prerequisites is the lack of motivation to develop (including between people). The communists did not think over this issue to the end.

      Now everything is exactly the same. It turns out that the capitalists did not think over the motivation? The question that you raised takes place in society, but it is rather from the category of personality psychology.
      Here is the motivation of the managerial level and responsibility were out of balance. Of course, the time we are talking about is important here. During Stalin's rule, the balance between responsibility and motivation was perfect. And there was a jerk. Under Khrushchev, responsibility began to erode, and motivation became false. And subsequently, the imbalance only increased.
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 23 July 2020 06: 24 New
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    All around there were enemies, And where were these figures who were sitting in large offices when conspiracies were being woven against the USSR, everyone knew that the Zhidomassons were to blame, but they were afraid to say, or they were saving information, but now the time has come for revelations. Amused by the phrase of this responsible employee, What kind of Funer, first went to Paris, and then died. This is truly an incredible mystery. Now, if I had died first, and then left, it would not have been interesting.
    1. for
      for 23 July 2020 06: 50 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      And where were these figures sitting in large offices

      So they fell apart, not some kind of Zhidomassons, or they themselves were. The collapse of the USSR is a purely internal achievement.
  4. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 July 2020 07: 28 New
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    Frankly, we studied Marxism-Leninism for general development. And we knew about capitalism only from the products brought from the West. And if so, many cannot remember the connection of the benzene ring. Only experts can tell about him. A deep opposition has existed in the world since time immemorial, including in Russia. Only historians had a different approach to them. For someone, Orlov played the statement on the throne of Catherine the Great, for me Dashkova. Why, if we do something well, do we want to improve by all means? At all times, historians, some have tried to clarify the understanding of this science. Others, to designate their name. In "Virgin Land Upturned" Davydov says to Nagulny- "You, Makar, live as if in a dream." That's how many of us live now.
  5. arhitroll
    arhitroll 23 July 2020 09: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Popuas
    Yeah ... welder Vasya ruined the union fool

    These are the stubborn and ruined. Instead of understanding the contradiction and trying to resolve it within the framework of a communist society. Nobody says that Vasya is bad.
  6. arhitroll
    arhitroll 23 July 2020 09: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    Example:
    1) Vasya - the future good welder has already started smoking and is walking with girls at school. Lesha - the future chief engineer at this time studying sits at textbooks, envies in the window.

    That is the whole problem, that it is undesirable for the conventional Lesha to hold a leading position - there will be no "exhaust" from him at all. He is incapable of creation. And he received his higher education, only because he has a low hormonal background, which is why he was able to sit at textbooks.
    And in the conditional Vasya, hormones are raging with might and main, which means that life is in full swing, he is capable of creation, he does not wait for instructions, he himself sees how to do it. But because of the powerful hormonal background, at this age, he is completely unable to sit still, behind textbooks, the body resists. And this moment is KEY - Vasya needs to be made to learn by any means, I repeat, by any - from him in the future there will be the maximum "exhaust".
    And in our country, without exception, with a higher education conditional "Lesha" - they are not capable of creation, they are still waiting to be told what to do and most importantly how. A gamma male is by definition a follower, not a leader ...


    Monkeys confirm this - look how they plow the vastness of the universe ...
  7. Ercog
    Ercog 23 July 2020 10: 20 New
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    Respect and respect to the editorial board! The first studies (publications) about the deep state appeared in the States in the eighties of the twentieth century. “For today” is a general law. All (any) countries have a deep state. And what is the deep state of Russia ”? Hello fans, contributors, supporters and h.z. what else is a social contract.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 23 July 2020 12: 41 New
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      Quote: Ercog
      And what is the deep state of Russia

      Russian Crimea, Syria, the modern rearmament of the Army, the pogrom of the liberals, their expulsion from power - this is the result of the actions of representatives of the deep state of Russia.
      That is, a small group of people endowed with power seizes control from the clumsy power majority, and this small group is focused on protecting national interests.
  8. UIZ2002
    UIZ2002 23 July 2020 19: 52 New
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    Remember the general laws of development of nature and society. An evolutionary process that includes periodic revolutions. In my opinion, the USSR, as a result of an attempt to inculcate ML in society, was doomed from the very beginning. The ideology of a just world order arises when the level of injustice reaches a critical point. Faith in paradise after death was replaced by faith in paradise before death. And nothing more. And nature was originally arranged according to the principle of "who will eat whom." The inequality is at the molecular and deeper level. And the myth of a just society in such an environment could not take root for a long time. It gives rise to too serious contradictions. So, it is better to let go of the ghost (dead project) from consciousness in peace and live, adapting as much as possible to a hostile environment, evolving slowly.))
  9. bulava
    bulava 24 July 2020 16: 23 New
    -1
    Yes, they just missed the moment. It happened under Khrushchev. The most offensive thing is that we helped build communism in China, but we could not cope with it ourselves in the end. And the Chinese did it.
  10. 1536
    1536 24 July 2020 16: 46 New
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    The collapse or destruction of the USSR is the greatest catastrophe of the late 1990th century. There is nothing to discuss here. Imagine that overnight at the South or North Pole. There will be only one left. What will happen to all life on earth? About the same thing happened in the socio-economic and socio-political life of the planet after the Soviet Union was gone. It is known that after that the United States began to appoint who should be the opposite pole in order to at least somehow maintain the balance of the world. But as time goes on, the United States simply began to weaken, lose resources, technology, people, in the end, as evidenced by the crisis of power that arose at the turn of the decade. The most dangerous tendency here is that the Americans want to replenish these resources primarily at the expense of Russia, partly China and the rest of the more or less developed countries or those with minerals and human potential. But the main goal is Russia. From the beginning of the 2015s to approximately 1922, the States lived comfortably and serenely, bathing in an inexhaustible, as it seemed to them, source of energy - defeated and defeated after the collapse of the USSR, Russia and the rest of the post-Soviet space. And here something happened that should have happened. Capitalism in our country began to gain momentum. Naturally, no one today wants to share with grandfathers from across the Ocean and their boorish offspring, especially to be on the sidelines. And the question is posed as follows: will the bourgeoisie, strictly oriented towards the USA, that is, the destruction of everything national, including the separation of territories, as happened in the late USSR, or will national forces prevail and raise the issue of protecting their interests and territorial integrity of the state and already on this basis organizes the movement forward. Moreover, it is impossible to divide the country into those and these, leaving one this, and the other then. There should be only one left. It's like "white" and "red". Imagine for a moment that in XNUMX a joint government of Bolsheviks and White Guards was formed in Russia, who suddenly mysteriously reconciled and decided to rule the country together. Impossible, right? Because the difference in the representation of reality is too great.
  11. lubesky
    lubesky 25 July 2020 01: 50 New
    -1
    If we want to learn a truly important lesson from our history, we must finally realize that the betrayal of the top of the party became possible through our fault, the common fault. The general and progressive degradation of Soviet society, the obvious discrepancy between this society and state propaganda and the monumental image of an advanced socialist, progressive society, as an example to international society. They did not retain such a high rank and landmark, which contributed to the substitution of the values ​​and concepts of a high and developed, advanced society of developed socialism, betrayal of the achievements of the party and people. From the values ​​of Soviet society in the early 80s, not to steal from production - but to "carry" from work, not to speculate - but to "get", not to earn - but to receive a "paycheck", not to join the party and the Komsomol to advance the party's achievements and the people - but "reach out" to the ticket to life, etc. I do not ignore the betrayal and degradation of the party leadership, I am only talking about learning a lesson from the bitter past - we all need to confess to ourselves our common guilt and mistakes, leaving in the lumpen and philistine consumerism (dacha, car and apartment), I’m already silent about the capital trouble - gum, jeans, tape recorders. The great achievements and landmarks of the entire Soviet people ceased to be such for everyone as a close-knit team and the obvious discrepancy between state propaganda and the realities of the life of a Soviet citizen. Learning lessons is an important task of our contemporaries, the formation of new national goals in the future is our area of ​​responsibility, the upbringing of young people, whom to implement our plan is our contribution to the future of the country and the continuation of the family as a Kin (to end the generation gap between parents, children, grandchildren - and then not interesting). To learn how to influence the formation of the elite, and the elite to become mature and plan for a long time, to understand that the people are not slaves, but the basis of the state and only the people can give guarantees for the existence of this very elite for many years, to understand the elite that only by participating in paying for reforms and transformations are the people it will continue and legitimize in the future (even their dubious capital). To learn lessons, not to argue with each other, not to look for the guilty, not to be divided into red and blue, but only by uniting in a single national goal - to start a difficult path ...
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 28 July 2020 07: 04 New
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    Is this the role of personality in history? When we are told that the people, and not the Bolshevik Red Army led by the Soviet government, won the Second World War, someone considers this opinion appropriate. Gorbachev signed his own verdict, leaving for Crimea. There was no conclusion. There was resistance to Gorbachev's policies. Nina Andreeva and others opposed it. But the new government had already taken a bite at the bit and decided not to pay attention to it. They say that ignorance of the criminal code does not exempt from responsibility. And ignorance of history?
  13. Petlyuk
    Petlyuk 13 August 2020 10: 26 New
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    In the USSR, it was not socialism that developed, but state capitalism, an economically unsound social formation, according to Marx, which collapsed under the influence of absolute overaccumulation predicted by the same author. You can get acquainted with the rationale in detail in the author's work Absolute overaccumulation in the USSR and modern Russia (https://vk.com/doc56420908_513994881).
  14. place
    place 27 August 2020 11: 23 New
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    Thoughts on this topic were expressed by Lenin (State and Revolution, 1917), and before him by Engels. The bottom line is that not every state is an instrument in the hands of the ruling class, for such a class may not yet be formed. For example: in France in the late 18th and early 19th centuries or in Germany in the 19th century.

    Then the state apparatus temporarily becomes the leading "supra-class" force of society, and a person appears at its head. like Napoleon or Bismarck. BUT time passes, a new class is formed in the depths of society (and this is "deep power") and takes the state apparatus into its own hands.
    Everything that happened under Stalin and after Stalin fits perfectly into this simple scheme.
  15. kriten
    kriten 21 September 2020 18: 43 New
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    Now it's easy to throw mud at everyone. Where were such stubborn commies then? Did you help lead the country to collapse? Such truth-seekers are more dangerous than liberals.
  16. Vitaly Utkin
    Vitaly Utkin 9 October 2020 18: 28 New
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    What was the reason for M.S. Gorbachev's failure? The fact that he, having received the absolute power of the secretary general in the country, immediately began to introduce democratic principles into the environment of degenerates, primitives.

    Democracy is the rule of the people. But in order to exercise reasonable government, the mentality of this people must be true morality. The majority of the Russian people professed drunkenness and fascism.

    Gorbachev, possessing very many positive features, could do much more good for the people of the country if he carried out the reforms he had outlined, using the fullness of his secretary general power. Only by “cultivating” the people over several decades of wise and strict (!) Government, it would be possible to transfer democracy to such a people.

    If we continue to indulge the dominant mass form in our country - with its evil, aggressive, devoid of Love and stuffed with psychopathology mentality, with its nothing-understanding of religion - then no other positive state reforms will help to prevent further decay and decay of souls on the territory our country.

    ***

    It is necessary to educate the spiritual and moral principles of humanism.

    Why in the “calm” countries of the “East” friendliness, cordiality, disinterestedness, hospitality are characteristic national features - in contrast to Russia, where you can hardly find this now? The reason ... In those countries, this is how the education of many generations of people went. And in Russia, the “masses of the people” have been educated for almost an infinitely long time on the ideas of aggressive intolerance and fear; as well as drunkenness.

    Spiritual culture on Earth is close to decay.