Baku refutes the statement of the Armenian Defense Ministry about the attack by the Azerbaijani special forces

The Armenian Defense Ministry previously published a release stating that Azerbaijani special forces tried to attack the positions of Armenian troops in the Tavush region. It is stated that as a result of the attack, Azerbaijani troops suffered losses, and the attack itself was successfully repulsed. The message was disseminated by the press service of the defense department of the Republic of Armenia.

Press Secretary of the Armenian Defense Ministry - on Facebook:

The Armenian side has no losses.

It was also added that several Azeri special forces "were trapped." What exactly was meant, and whether they were taken, is not reported.

These statements were almost immediately commented on by the Azerbaijani side. The head of the press secretariat of the department stated that all the statements of the Armenian Ministry of Defense are "invention and disinformation." At the same time, Baku accused Yerevan of shelling the adjacent territory by the Armenian army. Azerbaijan notes that the statements of the press service of the Armenian Ministry of Defense were made in order to try to justify firing from positions in the area of ​​Anvakh.

Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan:

We call on the Azerbaijani media not to succumb to provocations, not to replicate false information spread by the Armenian press and to expose the enemy's disinformation.

To remind, the Armenian-Azerbaijani armed confrontation resumed on July 12. At the same time, the parties, which have already become customary for both Yerevan and Baku, see the exclusively opposite side as the culprit in the current situation. At the same time, the question is not even raised that this kind of tension on the border, by definition, cannot be in the interests of both republics.

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[Mavrikiy]

At the same time, the question is not even raised that this kind of tension on the border, by definition, cannot be in the interests of both republics.

But how to say. Armenia is interested in maintaining the status quo. Azerbaijan wants to return the lost territories, which is understandable. Therefore, it is they who always start the showdown.

[Same lech]

Armenia is interested in maintaining the status quo. Azerbaijan wants to return the lost territories, which is understandable.

Frozen and sluggish conflict ... you can always pedal it at the right moment by clicking on the right point.

[Zeev zeev]

Armenia has been in deep political and economic crisis for a very long time. And in order to distract people from him, a "small victorious war" is needed. Even if it is victorious only in the media space.

[Same lech]

Well, in Azerbaijan, it's not better either ... the coronavirus has put everyone on the ears.

[Zeev zeev]

In general, it is better in Azerbaijan. And in Armenia the problems began long before the crown

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: ZeevZeev

a "small victorious war" is needed.

What do you drink at night, who do you work for? This war, 100% destruction of Armenia.

[AML]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: ZeevZeev

a "small victorious war" is needed.

What do you drink at night, who do you work for? This war, 100% destruction of Armenia.

Well, as if Armenia is in the CSTO, so I would not make such unequivocal statements.

[antivirus]

The CSTO (perhaps?) Will protect the borders of Armenia. and NKarabakh is outside the recognized borders of Armenia. fork

[Zeev zeev]

Well, as if last time, in 2016, all CSTO members (except for the Russian Federation) unequivocally supported Azerbaijan.

[Stavros]

It's funny to see when in Armenian-Azerbaijani topics the Jewish special forces rushes to the aid of the Azerbaijanis, as the topic concerns Jews with Arabs, the Azerbaijani special forces disappear there) I wonder if the Jews clash with the Turks, on whose side will our brave Azerbaijani askars be?)

[Oquzyurd]

Jews and Turks will never, in any case, never fight. In the future, peace in the east will be based on the alliance of Jews and Turks, just as the Khazar Kaganate ruled at one time. Friendship of Azerbaijan and Israel should be looked at in this context. Armenians will be subjects of this. kaganate, those who did not have time to go to Sochi and Pyatigorsk, in the future, another "historical land" of the sufferers.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

Jews and Turks will never, in any case, fight

Never say never...

Quote: Oquzyurd

In the future, peace in the east will be based on the alliance of Jews and Turks, just as the Khazar Kaganate ruled in due time.

Here we must understand that the Turks in the Khazar Kaganate were on the sidelines and, in fact, in a subordinate position. Read, you can Gumilyov, expands the horizon. Again, the Turks and Turks are somewhat different, but for you this is apparently a trifle. However, if you want so badly, then obey

The friendship between Azerbaijan and Israel should be viewed in this context.

[Oquzyurd]

"that the Turks in the Khazar Kaganate were on the sidelines" In the Khazar Kaganate, the founders of the Turks. In the reign were Turks, representatives of the Hunnic, Ugric and other tribes. Only a part of them adopted the faith of Judaism. They drove themselves into the background, and ruled by themselves, right?

[Tank hard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

"that the Turks in the Khazar Kaganate were on the sidelines" In the Khazar Kaganate, the founders of the Türks were in the reign. There were Türks, representatives of the Hunnic, Ugric and other tribes. Only a part of them accepted the faith of Judaism. They drove themselves into the background, and ruled by themselves, right?

Sometimes you need to read more. Educate yourself. I don’t do an educational program.

[Oquzyurd]

I am reading, and I made this conclusion from what I read)

[Tank hard]

Quote: Oquzyurd

I am reading, and I made this conclusion from what I read)

Gumilev wrote well about the Turks in general, and about the Khazar Kaganate, and about Russia, and about the Cossacks. As if an educational program. They did not dare to argue with him during his lifetime, the authority was too high, they threw mud at him "behind the eyes" and especially after death. Read what laudatory ode a Russian wrote about the Turks. Expand your horizon.

[Oquzyurd]

Gumilyov is a great scientist, and the closest to the truth about the Turks.
"Read what a laudatory ode a Russian wrote about the Turks." Yes, this is so. I will add that he is also very brave. In Russia, everything is associated with the Mongols, and before the Mongols and after in history, darkness, as for the Turks. As if there were no Turks in this space. Very few mentions. , and then in the form of a negative. A long topic that requires thorough analysis and study. I associate this with competition, for the same space. For example, if the Europeans fight, they are an enemy force, enemies, but not as competitors in space. Turks, they are local, from the same space, therefore, competitors. Therefore, there is little mention of them, not noticing them, since mentioning them gives rise to a competitor in the historical space .. An easy way, not to notice them in the depths of history, or turn them into Mongols , not radiating from themselves "danger" for many centuries.

[APASUS]

Quote: AML

Well, as if Armenia is in the CSTO, so I would not make such unequivocal statements.

Nagorno-Karabakh is also in the CSTO, or did the territories that belonged to Azerbaijan and were occupied by Armenia manage to enter?

[AML]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: AML

Well, as if Armenia is in the CSTO, so I would not make such unequivocal statements.

Nagorno-Karabakh is also in the CSTO, or did the territories that belonged to Azerbaijan and were occupied by Armenia manage to enter?

And what matters to Karabakh?
Everything mixed in a heap - horses, people

[Tank hard]

Quote: AML

Well, as if Armenia is in the CSTO, so I would not make such unequivocal statements.

Well, as if there is such an opinion, many will not like it, but it is:

[bayard]

If Azerbaijan was the initiator of the conflict, it would start it in Karabakh - there it is in its own right. But the skirmishes began much to the north on the DIRECT border of Armenia and Azerbaijan, and the Armenian media themselves claim that the Armenian side was the first to open fire - at the UAZ with the Azerbaijani military.
And the threats to attack infrastructure facilities, and even the dam of the Mingachevir hydroelectric power station were directly from the officials of the Armenian side.
So who instigated all this?
And the goals of this foolishness and abomination must be sought a little further and higher. Armenia is only listed in the CSTO, but at the same time is VERY tightly connected with the British special services and the US special services, so isn't it all in their interests?
And doesn't the Armenian administration want to drag Russia into this abomination? Say "I was attacked", "I am not guilty"?
Is it in our interests to stand up for these swindlers?
On the wrong side?
Moreover, their representatives ran immediately for help not only to Moscow, but also to NATO headquarters ...
Do we need such an ally?
And is this our ally?
Look at what embassy (complex of buildings) the United States has built in Yerevan, which is not at all the size of the host state. This is the snake nest of their intelligence. And not only against Iran, but also against us - whom they (Armenia) call the guarantor of their security!
This is just the height of arrogance and deceit.

Moreover, if the initiator of the conflict were the Azerbaijani side (no matter where it was conceived), there would probably already be a REAL conflict, for which Azerbaijan (and Armenia as well) has enough funds.
But the conflict is sluggish, with periodic skirmishes across the border line ...
Something doesn't add up.
With Armenian tales.

[the finish]

On the part of Armenia, a statement about the dam was made by the former Minister of Defense of the 90s, on the part of Azerbaijan by the current official press secretary of the Defense Ministry, Dairakhly. Who is the official at the moment? Don't mislead people with your posts!

[Scorpio05]

In fact, the Armenians at any level make statements that they intend to destroy the Mingechaur hydroelectric power station in Azerbaijan, as well as Baku, by the way. The Armenians have been planning this for a long time, they call their "strategy" theirs. They seriously think that a strike on the largest CIVIL hydro-technical structure in the region is an integral part of the war. They are just sick people.
And how was it possible to give people known for their predilection to blow up civilian objects, including: metro (in Moscow and Baku (twice) and airports (Orly, Paris), Azerbaijani trains, sea ferries, civil aircraft and helicopters) powerful weapons like Iskander and Elbrus?
The statement of the highest Armenian military ranks made in 2018!
"The Defense Army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) will immediately strike at the Mingechevir hydroelectric power station in Azerbaijan, if the need arises," Head of the NKR Defense Ministry Lieutenant General Levon Mnatsakanyan said at a press conference in Stepanakert on Tuesday, July 24.

The Karabakh military leader said that the Mingechevir hydroelectric power station was included in the tactical plans of the NKR Defense Army as a target. “The art of war requires striking similar and military targets. This will damage the economy and exclude the possibility of providing the enemy's armed forces with appropriate resources. This facility is included in our plans, "Mnatsakanyan said.
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2018/07/24/armiya-oborony-nkr-preduprezhdaet-esli-nado-udarim-i-po-mingechaurskoy-ges?fbclid=IwAR3-aZ8R1gEfE9yA55JEgmN1HfTRve2zdGzs3eurNouLNndINqtvLeuDFSo

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bayard

And the threats to attack infrastructure facilities, and even the dam of the Mingachevir hydroelectric power station were directly from the officials of the Armenian side.

I would still like to find out the full names of these very officials and their posts. And then we have been talking about some official anonymous for a week.

[Scorpio05]

Please:
The statement of the highest Armenian military ranks made in 2018! Prior to that, the same statement was made in 2014 by the Minister of Defense of Armenia Vagharshak Harutyunyan. As you know, the strategy does not change (if one can call such cannibalism a strategy), the executors change ...

"The Defense Army of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR) will immediately strike at the Mingechevir hydroelectric power station in Azerbaijan, if the need arises," Head of the NKR Defense Ministry Lieutenant General Levon Mnatsakanyan said at a press conference in Stepanakert on Tuesday, July 24.

The Karabakh military leader said that the Mingechevir hydroelectric power station was included in the tactical plans of the NKR Defense Army as a target. “The art of war requires striking similar and military targets. This will damage the economy and exclude the possibility of providing the enemy's armed forces with appropriate resources. This facility is included in our plans, "Mnatsakanyan said.
Подробнее: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2018/07/24/armiya-oborony-nkr-preduprezhdaet-esli-nado-udarim-i-po-mingechaurskoy-ges?fbclid=IwAR3-aZ8R1gEfE9yA55JEgmN1HfTRve2zdGzs3eurNouLNndINqtvLeuDFSo

[genisis]

You should tighten up the materiel slightly, and you flog nonsense.
Azerbaijan has been shelling the territory of the Tavush region of Armenia incessantly since the 2000s. Civilian infrastructure came under fire all the time, and the military came under fire from time to time. To check my words, it is enough to write in the search line of Google “Azerbaijan fired at Tavush marz in Armenia in 2012” You can specify any year, in the interval from 2008 to 2019, because Azerbaijan attacked this section of the state border with Armenia almost every week these years. In 2019, the soldiers of the 3rd Army Corps of the Armenian Armed Forces under the command of the then Colonel Georgy Yuryevich Khachaturov took a number of actions, thanks to which the civilian population was ensured safety from shelling by the Azerbaijani side. And this year, the guys of the 3rd Army Corps of the Armenian Armed Forces under the command of Major General Georgy Yuryevich Khachaturov once again, but already much more sensitively changed their positions in relation to the Azerbaijan ones. It was the quality of the changes in the Armenian positions that caused such a fierce reaction from the Azerbaijani Armed Forces. To the credit of the Armenian Armed Forces, they held their ground.
Further pouring mud on Armenia in general has no connection with reality.
They say the size of the US embassy is a confirmation that the Americans are conducting intelligence from the territory of Armenia and against the Russian Federation as well. First, so that you know, in Yerevan, the second largest Chinese embassy after the one opened in Russia. Does this mean that the Chinese also run the government of Armenia? And secondly, do you know anything about the size of the premises and, in general, about the location of the "Armenia" FSB border department, which is definitely carrying out intelligence activities in the interests of the Russian Federation from the territory of the Republic of Armenia in relation to Turkey and Iran?
So tie a square. meters to measure the intensity of exploration, otherwise you will always be confused in a decent society.
With regard to Article 4 of the Collective Security Treaty. Neither Armenia nor its representatives resorted to this article. Otherwise, you would have had a chance to observe with your own eyes the coercion of Azerbaijan to peace by the armed forces of the Russian Federation. And not because the leadership of the Russian Federation likes the leadership of Armenia or the Armenian people, and does not like the Azerbaijani. But because Russia keeps its word, it complies with its contractual obligations.
Your definition of the "wrong" side in the conflict, whose historical roots go back centuries, betray you as an engaged person, whose subjectivism is divorced from reality, and therefore does not carry any informational value.

[bayard]

Your (Armenian) sources themselves testified that it was your military who opened the fire, deploying positions at the dominant height (or heights) the day before. The fire was opened on a lonely UAZ vehicle with the Azerbaijani military.
Since this all started .
And there were no reports that the day before there were shelling from the Azerbaijani side.
I even received photographs of that UAZ vehicle stopped by the fire and the Azerbaijani soldiers who came out of it were sent by your retired colonel ... now he lives in Spain. And I sent the screenshots from your Russian-language sites, where this event is described as I described it - the Armenians took a new position at the height, and when a military UAZ appeared, circling the border zone, fire was opened on it.
The UAZ was thrown, perhaps it was shot through by the engine.
So who should blush for such antics?
And you don't have to teach me the history of your conflict. The one that began in 1990 (in fact, you can call the turn of 1987-88), developed before my eyes. I served there then.
And you can't fool me with falsifying the facts, because my service was held as part of the intelligence and information center of the air defense unit. And we had enough information.
And I know the background of your conflict well.
And about your Dashnaks.
And he was holding their certificates in his hands - with a map of "Great Armenia" on a spread - from Lebanon to Baku.
So I have no commitment. Moreover, there is a friend whose grandmother barely escaped as a child from the massacre of the Kurds incited on the Armenian villages (their village stood on the banks of the Van, I forgot the name. He is the son of a Don Cossack, and his grandmother is an Armenian, a refugee from the Van region.
But I know everything about the roots of your conflict. On duty, including.
And you will definitely not like my knowledge.
And to shoot across the border at border guards of a neighboring state is bestiality. And you have nothing to justify with.

[genisis]

I wrote that the soldiers of the 3rd Army Corps of the Armed Forces of Armenia moved forward and improved their positions. Indeed, the UAZ with the Azerbaijani military was fired upon. Where did you read that there were shelling by Azerbaijani servicemen the day before? These attacks lasted 11 years. In the end, the Armenian soldiers deprived the Azerbaijani of the opportunity to carry out such attacks.
If you think that one should blush for such actions, then excuse me, I disagree with you. It is necessary to blush that these actions were not taken earlier.
The fact that you use the word "dashnaks" perfectly illustrates what information your "intelligence and information center" possessed. I am sure that Safronov and Polyanichko used the same information.
With regard to the events of that stage, it is better for you to argue with a person who was no worse informed, and many times better than yours. For example, with Viktor Vladimirovich Krivopuskov, the author of the book "Rebellious Karabakh", who at that time served as chief of staff of the Investigative-Operational Group of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs in the NKAO. I don’t know where your center was stationed, but the headquarters of the group was in Stepanakert from the very beginning of the conflict.
If you think you can refute it, I would love to read your point of view.
As for the shooting at border guards across the border and your definition of this - "bestiality", I'm sorry, but again I have to ignore your opinion.
It is maximally engaged. I have never once met a reproach against the Azerbaijani side in your comments. Blaming the Armenians one-sidedly, are you sure that Azerbaijanis are saints?

[bayard]

I had enough complaints against the Azerbaijanis during the events of January 1990, but then this problem was solved quickly and decisively. And many Azerbaijanis were grateful to us for the quick restoration of order.
It was then that a similar constitutional order was not established in Armenia, where it all began.
And if you tell me what kind of sabotage group, on two Mi-8s, tried to blow up the oil and gas pipeline from Azerbaijan to Armenia (we prevented them), and why it retreated to Stepanokert ..., I will answer you why the culprits of the Karabakh conflict were initially and in general, I consider it the Armenian side.
And her diaspora.

[genisis]

You know, to say that in January 1990 anti-Armenian pogroms and murders were dealt with in Baku “quickly and decisively” - this is an outrageous level of cynicism. So quickly and so decisively that there have simply been no Armenians in Baku since then.
In this sense, yes, quickly and decisively. Faster than the Nazis, by the way.
If by the restoration of constitutional order is meant the entry of troops into Baku under the command of Lebed, then I don’t remember why you think the same thing should have happened in Yerevan. Well, there were no pogroms and murders in Yerevan, bloody weekly bacchanals.
As for the reconnaissance and sabotage groups that you are asking to tell us about, I will tell you directly: "It is impossible to find a black cat in a dark room when it is not there." Considering that I do not have reliable information in general about the existence of such a group, I would venture to suggest that the existence of this group is a myth. You can try to prove otherwise.
You consider the Armenians to be the culprits of the conflict. I would venture to suggest that you see their guilt in the fact that they did not want to repeat the fate of the Armenian population of Nakhichevan, that is, disappear from their native land, but began to fight for it.
And I will tell you who is the real culprit of this conflict. His name was Heydar Aliyev. It was he who was the ideological inspirer, developer and main implementer of a set of actions that led to the complete squeezing of Armenians from Nakhichevan. It was his attempts to do the same with the NKAO that led to what we have now.
And your accusations against the Armenians are a standard substitution of a reason for a consequence.

[bayard]

Quote: genisis

You know, to say that in January 1990 anti-Armenian pogroms and murders were dealt with in Baku “quickly and decisively” - this is an outrageous level of cynicism. So quickly and so decisively that there have simply been no Armenians in Baku since then.

Pogroms in Baku began on January 13, 1990 (before that, on January 11, power was seized by the "popular front" in Lankaran), the local government was eliminated. During the week there was a transfer of troops to Azerbaijan, their accumulation, 17 helicopter regiments were transferred (42 - 48 helicopters in each) within one day, families of servicemen were evacuated from military towns. The military units received and sheltered Armenian refugees.
The decision was made in Moscow, but with Gorbachev's antics and quirks.
On the morning of January 20, 1990, power in Baku was restored, order was established. The operation was personally led by Marshal Yazov. His report to Gorbachev on the restoration of constitutional order went through our communications center.
The Armenians were evacuated to other regions of the USSR, providing security, at the places of accommodation they immediately received help from the local authorities - housing, all the necessary things for life and material assistance. The generosity of this aid depended on the capabilities and impulse of the authorities of the regions of settlement.
At the expense of the state!
And as for the fact that after January 1990 there were no Armenians left in Baku ... tell me, how many Azerbaijanis at the time of 1988 (!) Remained in Yerevan and Armenia as such?
And how did it happen that they were not there, although in 1987 there were up to 150 thousand of them?
So don't confuse cause and effect.
At the end of 1989, the Supreme Soviet of the Armenian SSR declared Nagorno-Karabakh de facto its territory and included it in Armenia's economic development plan for 1990.
These two events - the expulsion of the Azerbaijani population and the proclamation of N. Karabakh as one of them - became the detonator of the events of January 1990.
I have already written about my attitude to these events.

Quote: genisis

If the establishment of constitutional order means the introduction of troops into Baku under the command of Lebed,

But this already testifies to the level of your ... awareness - Colonel Lebed was then the commander of ONE of the airborne divisions involved for that operation. And the Airborne Division was not alone.
And at least three.
And there were other troops - internal, as well as mobilized reservists.
And he commanded the operation PERSONALLY D.T. Yazov. And also many commanders and commanders of the branches of the armed forces visited there during the January events.
Lebed had not even received a general at that time.

Quote: genisis

I don’t remember why you think the same thing should have happened in Yerevan.

Because riots in Armenia began much earlier, including attacks on small military units, looting of military enlistment offices and DOSAF warehouses, public burning of Soviet passports, obtaining weapons, explosives and equipment under the guise of humanitarian aid after the earthquake in Spitak.
All this happened before (much earlier) the January events in Baku in 1990.
And remind me, who from your community organized the explosions of the "goose girls" in the Moscow Metro?
And how many people died then?

Quote: genisis

As for the reconnaissance and sabotage groups that you are asking to tell us about, I will tell you directly: "It is impossible to find a black cat in a dark room when it is not there." Considering that I do not have reliable information in general about the existence of such a group, I would venture to suggest that the existence of this group is a myth. You can try to prove otherwise.

Why should I try if I myself took part in that event. Not only that - readiness when an unidentified target is detected near the border, it was I who announced - it happened on my alert duty.
And the fact that in Imishli and Kurdamir we had Mi-24s with excellent Afghan-trained crews on duty (from Afghanistan, after being withdrawn to our division, a squadron of Mi-24 was assigned) turned out to be very useful. It was these helicopters that carried out the interception.
And the saboteurs had already tied the pipes of oil and gas pipelines with explosives, only they did not have time to connect the detonators - they were lying nearby in a backpack. As the KGB officers said from the scene, if it had been for one or two more minutes, the pipeline would have been blown up.
And these two Mi-8s with saboteurs saw the approach of our Mi-24s (one of the Mi-8s went up to observe - we found it locally). Our helicopter pilots did not have time to force or destroy (the order was given to the crews) these helicopters - the targets were already over Stepanokert, where they landed.
In the central square.
No freezing.
And the terrorists from them immediately fled.
But this episode was immediately classified by Gorbachev and Kryuchkov.

Quote: genisis

And I will tell you who is the real culprit of this conflict. His name was Heydar Aliyev. It was he who was the ideological inspirer, developer and main implementer of the set of actions,

You should look for your analogues for Aliev.
Aliyev is the same nominee of Andropov as Shevardnadze. It was Andropov who cultivated that Union destroyer nursery:
Gorbachev
Shevardnadze
Yakovlev and others, which are innumerable.
So there is nothing to be missing in fragments - there were all the first persons in the share.
And Armenia was the first among the destroyers of the Union - even the "proud Balts" lagged behind it.
And again we remember the goose-girl in the Moscow Metro and the burning of Soviet passports at rallies in Yerevan in winter from 1984 to 1985.
I warned you - you will not like my arguments.
But I am not in the least engaged with the Azerbaijani side.

[Oquzyurd]

What you wrote is enough to understand the essence of this conflict, what happened in those years. Thank you for the truth.

[Zeev zeev]

First, no one is going to seize Yerevan, not even Turkey. Genocide is not in vogue these days, and no one needs to leave under their rule and feed 2.5 million of the disloyal population, without having a real return. Secondly, Armenia does not want a full-scale war either, but I really want to show (first of all, to its population) that "it is difficult for us, but we won the best of all and all".

[siberalt]

Armenia may be in crisis, but it has never officially recognized NPOs as part of its territory. So, you have an obvious discrepancy here. And it is clear to Azerbaijan for 30 years that they will never return Karabakh from the word. Yes, and at the time of gaining independence by Azerbaijan, Karabakh was no longer their territory in fact.

[Zeev zeev]

I would not be so sure that Karabakh will not return to Azerbaijan.

[Finches]

Yes! I am also inclined to believe that the main reason for what happened is the internal contradictions of society, both Armenian and Azerbaijani! The coronavirus pandemic has caused significant damage to the economies of both countries. Armenia did not prosper before, plus the active work of agents of influence of the Anglo-Saxons, and Baku suffered significant losses due to the collapse of oil prices - and this is the main source of funds! The quarantine struck a blow to the sales of tomatoes ... Here the nerves of the management could not resist, realizing that a social explosion was on the way, they decided to rattle their weapons! In addition, Baku publicly supported Erdogan, and without Turkey's support, Azerbaijan does not even dare to go to the closet on its own.

[icant007]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Therefore, it is they who always start the showdown.

Who are they? Azerbaijan?

[Deniska999]

Tales are told on both sides.

[Pereira]

I would listen to tales about the demarcation of borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Is there a border between countries fixed by treaties or in the UN (I don't know exactly how this is done)? And not approved by the godless Bolsheviks, but democratically formed?

[alone]

Quote: Pereira

I would have listened to tales about the demarcation of borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Is there a border between countries fixed by treaties or in the UN (I don't know exactly how this is done)? And not approved by the godless Bolsheviks, but democratically formed?

All former Soviet republics were admitted to the UN within the boundaries that they had during the USSR. You can ask for sources.

[Pereira]

Some time ago there was a lot of noise that the borders of Russia with Ukraine were not coordinated and illegal.
A border within a common state is one thing. International borders are different. As I understand the demarcation of borders between Armenia and Azerbaijan, there were no independent states.

[silverwolf88]

marasmus grows stronger ... Maidan Pashinyan ... needs a scandal and war instead of tedious work on the prosperity of Armenia and solving long-term political / territorial jambs ... with serious risks, he will fall over the hill ... and Russia will save the people (under their spitting) ...

[tarabar]

I never thought that I would say so, but in today's situation, the balanced position of Azerbaijan is somehow more credible than the hysterical throwing of the Armenian leadership, they were attacked everywhere, they all won, there are no losses. Apparently this is a generic trait of young, promising democracies. We will probably find out the truth of what is happening much later.

[Stavros]

Because it is impossible to hide something there, the country is small. In addition, the entire press and TV are in the hands of former thieves and crooks, and if they had lost the first they would have raised a howl.

[the finish]

Attempts to recapture the height are even possible. she is of great importance and controls vast territories!

[alone]

Quote: finish

Attempts to recapture the height are even possible. she is of great importance and controls vast territories!

The height is at Azerbaijan. Why fight back what is in your hands? These positions have been there since 1991, as they were with Azerbaijan, and they are still with Azerbaijan.

[the finish]

Incorrect information. This height is not in the hands of Azerbaijan or its territory. Since the times of the USSR, it has been part of the Armenian SSR. And the translation of the height Anvakh (Armenian) is Fearless.

[alone]

Quote: finish

Incorrect information. This height is not in the hands of Azerbaijan or its territory. Since the times of the USSR, it has been part of the Armenian SSR. And the translation of the height Anvakh (Armenian) is Fearless.

Of course, you know better from a thousand kilometers who has something under control. The configuration of positions is such that the loss of positions means withdrawal from the entire territory. .I mean the height which is called the Black Rock (Karakai). What is on the territory of Armenia cannot be attacked or captured. As well as the Azerbaijani positions. If he goes over, he is an open aggressor. Both sides understand this.

[Stavros]

There is nothing to prove to the winners of apricots and peaches.

[Stavros]

Quote: bayard

Look at what embassy (complex of buildings) the United States built in Yerevan, not at all the size of the state

Something at the time of Kocharyan, as he is considered a great friend of Moscow, everyone absolutely did not care about the largest embassy, ​​at the time of Pashinyan, for some reason everyone was startled by this problem.
Now the Chinese are also going to build the largest embassy in Yerevan. What prevents Russia from keeping a huge staff there.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Stavros

What prevents Russia from keeping a huge staff there.

But why?

[Prisoner]

Both sides declare that they have neither attacked nor attacked. Then they declare that they have no losses, and the enemy has losses in piles. Finally, both sides declare that they have won. Strange wars have gone on in the 21st century.

[Zeev zeev]

The Armenians stated that they started the conflict by firing at a lost Azerbaijani army vehicle. Azerbaijan acknowledged all its losses and published the names of those killed. The Armenians hid their losses to the last and published only four names. Moreover, after these names were published in Baku. In short, the Armenians in this case are great storytellers.

[Livonetc]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Well, as if last time, in 2016, all CSTO members (except for the Russian Federation) unequivocally supported Azerbaijan.

RF.
That says it all.
Russia maintains peace, especially among its own neighbors.
There will be no big war.

[Zeev zeev]

And nobody wants a big war. Azerbaijan wants to return its own (Karabakh and adjacent territories captured in the 90s), the Armenians need to distract the people from the internal problems of the country.
By the way, thanks to Russia for the delivery of the Iskander to Armenia. Thanks to this, Azerbaijan began purchasing missile defense systems and high-precision missiles with a range of over 100 km. In Belarus (MLRS "Polonaise") and in Israel (EXTRA and OTRK LORA missiles).

[lopuhan2006]

It's funny to watch this car fuss from the side. The forces in power need this conflict on both sides. Both in Armenia and Azerbaijan there are problems and it was a matter of time to switch society to a win-win side for ratings. If this frozen conflict did not exist, it would have been invented. The only reason for tension there is the power of these states. The common people would have lived as they would have lived in their villages, but they had to come up with boundaries)

[Vladimir61]

And for me, so let them figure it out themselves. Armenia's participation in the CSTO is exclusively necessary for it, for political maneuvers. The course of the current Armenian government towards the United States, they hope for a powerful Armenian lobby and they do not hide it.
Is it possible to forget that the Armenians arranged for the Russians in the 90s, and how many provocations and victims there were among our military, who refused to surrender their weapons. Today, Russian channels are banned in Armenia, an unprecedented campaign is being conducted in the media to discredit Russia. Nafik!
We have smoother and more stable relations with Azerbaijan. 102 base? And what, in terms of Russia's defense, is it of strategic importance? Better to rent Cam Ranh from the Vietnamese.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Vladimir61

Better to rent Cam Ranh from the Vietnamese.

The Americans are doing the right thing by placing their permanent bases - you need security, pay! At the same time, they do not cram into friends, but feel themselves in the country of location, at worst, in a privileged position, at best, masters.

[Stavros]

Quote: Vladimir61

We have smoother and more stable relations with Azerbaijan. 102 base? And what, in terms of Russia's defense, is it of strategic importance?

Turks with half-Turks are already doing almost everything in Georgia, if Armenia falls and the Turks connect the borders with half-Turks and go further to Central Asia to create their Turan. Then, when they start to stir up the whole Caucasus and further along the border of Russia, only then will you understand what Armenia meant to you, and what significance the 102nd base had.

[icant007]

Quote: Stavros

Turks with half-Turks are already doing almost everything in Georgia, if Armenia falls and the Turks connect the borders with half-Turks and go further to Central Asia creating their Turan

And the Armenians are in full control in the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov Region. Yes, and in the North Caucasian republics there are quite a few Armenians. Probably Great Armenia is created from sea to sea)

Russia has already lost its influence in Armenia, and will continue to lose it. And the existence of the 102nd base is a matter of time.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Stavros

Turks with half-Turks are already doing almost everything in Georgia, if Armenia falls and the Turks connect the borders with half-Turks and go further to Central Asia to create their Turan. Then, when they start to stir up the whole Caucasus and further along the border of Russia, only then will you understand what Armenia meant to you, and what significance the 102nd base had.

I am a curious individual. until I was interested, not interested. Then it became interesting, began to look for information and learned that Karabakh belonged to Azerbaijanis. Now the question is closed for me. Crimea was Russian, Karabakh was Azerbaijani. If you are for justice, be fair. If I'm wrong, let them justify. Peace for everyone. As they say, Peace to Your Home.

[Stavros]

Quote: AzeDefense2020

i repeat 1 on 1 they can't do anything.

Repeat more often so as not to forget what kind of warriors you saw everything, especially your war with apricots)

[Scorpio05]

Quote: AzeDefense2020

Usually, the Armenian side publishes such news for its public. I very often came across Armenian news, where they write, one soldier single-handedly shot down 6 tanks, he was all wounded, was bleeding, could not walk, one arm was broken ... ... blew himself up and destroyed 10 Azerbaijani special forces.

I used to laugh at such news ......... but now we are used to it. This is how their whole history, valiant exploits, was built.

It is an old habit of Armenians to tell lies at every opportunity. Whole generations have grown up with these Armenian fantasy:

S. Lurie: “This is a legend about the history of the people, which was deliberately invented, has specific authors, famous or unknown, and which predetermines the attitude of the people to modernity, primarily to the political sphere. In these books, according to the French historian Marc Ferro , "A very naive, pure vision of history is presented; good and evil people, traitors and heroes act in it. Armenia, which has suffered defeats many times, willingly exalts its history, gives it a bright image of martyrdom. Dismembered, ruined, persecuted, above all with the side of the Turks, excluded from the number of states, creates a history for itself on the verge of a golden legend. In it giants and heroes act, breaking bones of lions, breaking ribs of bulls. It is difficult to imagine that such a nation could suffer defeat, lose statehood. in a Benedictine textbook (we are talking about a textbook on Armenian published in Venice in 1979 by Armenian Benedictine monks oh stories for children) the misfortunes of the Armenians are depicted so skillfully and sincerely that in the end you cease to understand when Armenia was actually independent, and when foreigners ruled there ... The legend in this book is intertwined with reality, even when it comes to periods well developed by science. "

[Scorpio05]

Quote: genisis

I wrote that the soldiers of the 3rd Army Corps of the Armed Forces of Armenia moved forward and improved their positions.

I love Armenian euphemisms: "improved their position" ... this is a replacement for one word "attack" or "attack". And then the people think, wonder where these battles began on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. It turns out that "There it is, Mihalych", the "valiant" Armenian soldiers tried to improve their position))