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The split in the LDNR. Where to go and what will happen next

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The crack gets wider



There is a split in the LDNR society, which is fraught with serious problems in the future and is already provoking a lot of misunderstanding between various factions. The irreconcilable opponents of Ukraine have finally ceased to find a common language with those who have nothing against their former compatriots. Moreover, people who hold conciliatory positions, in fact, cause irreparable harm to the unrecognized republics.

Indeed, what could be more harmful? War - on the contrary, it keeps you in good shape, tempers you. And not an endless "Minsk": since the days when the inhabitants of the LPR began to receive Russian passports, there was a very real hope for a transition to a completely different quality. Not the opposition, which is actually 2-3%, and not the government (with its ridiculous powers), because both the first and the second will always be; this is a constant, only the names change. The most irreparable damage to the republics is caused by people who do not care about the opposition with its hysterics, and who will wish Happy New Year from TV (even Pushilin, even Poroshenko, even Mickey Mouse). If only they could live well and calmly, for the sake of which they are ready for anything, right up to the return to Ukraine.

And if it makes sense to talk about the "drain" of Donbass, then it is not Putin and Peskov and not Girkin, who stains everything that they can reach, and not the local nouveau riche who, although they harm a lot, are not doing it around the clock, but the road to Ukraine is closed to them. in connection with which they associate their future with Russia and the republics. Nothing compares with the harm that indifferent people, concerned only with consumer matters, do to the republics. Those who constantly travel to Ukraine (because it is profitable today), but receive a Russian passport (because it may be profitable tomorrow) and see nothing wrong with it. Every day there are more and more such people, and they are infinitely far from those who created the LPNR in the spring of 2014 or defended them later.

Irreconcilable minority


When in 2014 the familiar to all Ukraine cracked at the seam and perished forever, Crimea and Donbass protested not only against the junta that had seized power, but also against everything that it symbolized. The values ​​that the adherents of "European integration" carried with them. The question was not only about the need to protect the Russian language and the fight against Russophobia, but also about the rejection of same-sex marriage, juvenile justice, cosmopolitanism and other attributes of today's West. Many realized the need to protect themselves and their children, their faith from cultural Marxism, which successfully subjugated the once conservative culture of the US and the EU.

Even more people looked at Russia as a potential source of benefits, which would not only bring order in Ukraine (in the South-East, Donbass, on the peninsula), but also instantly, by magic spells, correct everything that had been spoiled during 25 years of independence, and will provide everyone with a standard of living equal not to Tula or Kursk, but at least to Peter. Crimea was very lucky (although there are already a lot of dissatisfied and "unbeaten" citizens), but Donbass had to fight. And when it became clear that the war was for a long time, and the standard of living was approximately equal to the Russian outback, whining floated over the steppes and waste heaps, and the checkpoints on the contact line were filled with crowds of those who had never quarreled with Ukraine.

Society in the LDNR has split into irreconcilable ones who see in Ukraine (or at least its government) exclusively an enemy and are ready to fight with him to the last patron, and into those who, in principle, do not feel negative emotions either towards Kiev, or even more so towards the Ukrainians. and therefore considers it normal to have both Ukrainian and Russian passports and regularly travel to Nenka for rest, shopping or even work, despite the mandatory 1,5% tax on military operations.

The gulf


The more well-fed and prosperous life becomes, the more claims arise (especially among those who have sat out the hot phase of the war in Ukraine or in the Russian Federation), the faster appetites grow. Russia turned out to be guilty all around - it didn’t support it so much, it didn’t save it so much, it didn’t feed it so well ... Regular trips to Ukraine ceased to be a reason for suspicion: do they need to eat somewhere? The number of those who do not realize or simply do not want to see the crimes of Ukraine and the essence of its authorities is becoming more and more every day. On the other hand, there are ideological people who fought and are at war. Those who lost relatives and friends under Ukrainian artillery and air raids. Those who will never call themselves Ukrainians.

It is clear that the interests of these people are incompatible. Someone dreams of canceling the curfew, that in Donetsk it would be possible to buy fashionable computer games or something else "vital", so that it would be convenient to get to Crimea, or better to Berdyansk; to have loans, shares. And for the sake of this they are ready to endure at least LGBT parades, at least gender education in school, at least the regular shelling of Gorlovka. And someone wants to reclaim the lost territories and wants the gallows on Bankova, on which war criminals will hang out. It is clear that these things are incompatible.

How to bridge this gap? Hard to say. Probably, first of all, for this, there should be a sane ideology and reasonable propaganda, and not popular artworks of republican luminaries and throwing from anti-Ukrainian rhetoric to the thesis "Zelensky, recognize Donbass" associated with Minsk. There must be some specifics that will definitively and irrevocably determine who Ukraine is for the LPNR: a mother or a stepmother. Who are the Ukrainians themselves: a bloodthirsty fascist clique, supported by a quiet, silent majority, or good guys who just made a mistake somewhere (plus they are run by some villains). New meanings are needed, not ambiguity. Otherwise, a split in society is inevitable, and the abyss will grow so much that it will never be possible to cross it.
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  1. Megatron
    Megatron 22 July 2020 15: 09 New
    32
    The Soviet Union was also destroyed, exchanged for sausage and jeans, and only then did they realize what they had done.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 July 2020 15: 24 New
      20
      The Soviet Union was also destroyed, exchanged for sausage and jeans, and only then did they realize what they had done.

      The hands are the same. Growing "from there" and grabbing. Only irrepressible appetites are constantly growing. Give them all palaces, yachts and foreign estates with gold and diamonds. And the "free queen". They pray for portraits of dead presidents and sold their souls to the devil for them. Hello!
      Fragment from the movie "72 meters" (2004)
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 22 July 2020 15: 46 New
        +9
        There must be some specifics that will definitively and irrevocably determine who Ukraine is for the LPNR: a mother or a stepmother. Who are the Ukrainians themselves: a bloodthirsty fascist clique, supported by a quiet, silent majority, or good guys who just made a mistake somewhere (plus they are run by some villains). New meanings are needed, not ambiguity.

        Ekka skidded Yegor Makhov what But he (in his words) fought ...

        Yesterday an article by Roman Skomorokhov, a liberal wing, pitying, and almost justifying thieves, embezzlers, murderers and traitors to the Motherland, today - Yegor Makhov with a strange message "make a choice" ...

        Donbass has made its choice! Finally, and irrevocably!
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 22 July 2020 16: 00 New
          17
          Yesterday an article by Roman Skomorokhov, liberal

          What ..? Did he give an ode to the "main liberal" in the bunker? In general, do you read articles or so to speak out? The author actually focused on the primacy of the Law, and not the tongue under the control of Sharik with Matroskin solely for his own benefit.

          Fragment from the movie "Winter in Prostokvashino." (1984)

          "Face" will not crack?

          Donbass has made its choice! Finally, and irrevocably!

          Has the Kremlin ever wondered about the opinion of Donbass? Why does the back pan constantly turn on? Because he doesn't care about anyone but himself and his homies.
        2. Dr. Frankenstucker
          Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 17: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: Insurgent
          Donbass has made its choice! Finally, and irrevocably!

          and what choice? Something unrecognized by anyone, with which Russia keeps Ukraine on a short leash away from NATO?
          1. mehan
            mehan 22 July 2020 19: 31 New
            +5
            Comrade loves to sign for the entire Donbass.
            For both halves.
            1. Dr. Frankenstucker
              Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 19: 39 New
              -2
              I know this. Here in the same thread, a certain comrade spoke to me on behalf of the entire Russian people. laughing
              1. mehan
                mehan 22 July 2020 19: 53 New
                -1
                Yes, there are. Everyone, by the scruffs, to everyone's happiness. How they understand it.
            2. REZMovec
              REZMovec 24 July 2020 21: 33 New
              0
              The author is right, there are too many opportunists in the LPR. "Change shoes" on the fly. Normal people don't want to go back to the fascist-Bandera Ukraine.
          2. Paul Siebert
            Paul Siebert 23 July 2020 15: 43 New
            10
            Yesterday I spent the whole day in a sick state.
            I watched YouTube Sharia with the filming of an action camera from the helmet of an Estonian physician killed in the DPR.
            In a few words:
            A medic, in military uniform, with a helmet on his head and with an AK-74 in his hands, participates in the evacuation of the "XNUMXth" sabotage group, which ran into the "separatists" a few hours ago. At least one of the "rescuers" took part in this shootout and knows where to go. A hohlyatsky copter accompanies them from the air - constantly correcting their movement.
            Medic - call sign "Delta" breathlessly, whistling, breathing. The path is not easy for him, but he constantly chases his younger companions. He speaks Russian purely, without an accent. "The main thing is time, guys. Go ahead. You are the Marines!"
            The militias are called "separatists" and "bastards."
            The group is well equipped - on machine guns, all, except for the medic's machine gun, have collimator sights. On the heads - NATO helmets - at the chest of drawers a helmet with cutouts on the ears, for headphones, an option for tankers and drivers of military vehicles. Many have walkie-talkies. Every thirty seconds they begin to crackle and squeal in a hohlyatskiy patter: "Wait, beat ten hodyn - copter? Check while ..."
            The fighters have light armor, obviously of European appearance. The feeling is that you can pierce with a needle. But it's not hard to walk.
            A quarter of an hour after the clowning with radio conversations, which can be heard from a kilometer away, the group raids on militia fire. Bursts rattle, bullets whistle.
            Warriors of Light fall to the ground and crawl in the opposite direction, losing orange Bakelite magazines from their discharge pockets.
            A mess begins. The group is spreading, the fighters are losing each other. The main guess is that they are shooting their own. From the walkie-talkie you can hear: "Stop fire! Tse - our own. Do you feel it?" Doesn't help - shooting starts again and again.
            The chest of drawers, it seems, is the only one who at least understands something, crawls around, pulls the medic with it, tries to complete the task. He moves on his bellies, cuts his hands with sharp sedge, lowers his rolled up sleeves, puts on tactical gloves.
            In the valley, in the thick grass, they lose each other. The chest of drawers crawls forward, looking for the wounded. The Medic remains in a ravine in the canopy of deciduous trees. The voice of the drone operator is heard on the air: "I hovered over them. They are under me. Write to me! Write to the drone!" Doc unfastens his backpack with medicines - he no longer has the strength to carry it.
            Looks around between the trees, looking for a hovering drone. Finds him. Tries to contact the operator, assess the situation. In vain. He mutters some crap ...
            The Medic jumps up and runs into the gap towards the copter.
            A deafening shot.
            Without a sound, the dock falls face down. Dies in a split second, without even having time to cry out.
            All day I walked as if dipped in water.
            For what, for what idea, did this Russian guy from the Baltics die? What did he need in the Donetsk steppes? Did he really think the Russians were bastards?
            What a haze? What was in his head? Is there an end to this?
            A few hours before him, an American with Nazi convictions died in a shootout with DPR fighters. They wanted to take out his corpse together with the "three hundred". Here is this cattle - do not mind a damn thing. I came on a safari. And it became a fertilizer.
            Sorry for the Russians.
            It's time to solve this bloody problem. Force Banderlog to peace. Drive out of the territory of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. For now. Defeat them.
            That's it. am
            1. Oleg Bikmukhamedov
              Oleg Bikmukhamedov 24 July 2020 11: 50 New
              0
              Hello ! and you can link to the video
              1. Paul Siebert
                Paul Siebert 24 July 2020 14: 11 New
                0
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH0wwgU5AG8&t=124s
            2. Alt 22
              Alt 22 26 July 2020 08: 28 New
              +2
              this russian guy
              - I'm sorry, but this guy was not Russian. He was just Russian-speaking. And he ceased to be a Russian at the moment when he realized his readiness and desire to raise weapons against the Russian world and the Russian people. He was not Russian, he was a Russian-speaking Bandera, Vlasov-Vyrus.
        3. Ivan Ivanov_6
          Ivan Ivanov_6 22 July 2020 19: 56 New
          -8
          Well, look what you have done with your choice, solid cons are flying!
        4. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 22 July 2020 21: 08 New
          +8
          Quote: Insurgent
          Ekka skidded Yegor Makhov

          Yes, not that word! Just some kind of fountain of emotions.
          And no analysis. Just complaining over and over again:
          Nothing beats the harm that indifferent people, concerned only with consumer matters, do to the republics. Those who constantly travel to Ukraine (because it is profitable today), but receive a Russian passport (because it may be profitable tomorrow) and see nothing wrong with it. Every day there are more and more such people, and they are infinitely far from those who created the LDNR in the spring of 2014 or defended them later.


          WHY are there more people like that?

          It seems that the author has only one answer - they are just such scum.
          But ordinary people live quite simply - first by faith, then by stomach. The faith has ended, so the stomach becomes the main thing. Here you have to understand with faith: why did it end?
        5. DeKo
          DeKo 22 July 2020 22: 17 New
          +2
          Military review has become frankly Russophobic. Roman Skomorokhov, allegedly a hero of Novorossiya. And according to his articles, an agent of the SBU. Yegor Makhov, too, a provocateur
          1. mdsr
            mdsr 22 July 2020 23: 41 New
            -2
            Quote: DeKo
            Military review has become frankly Russophobic. Roman Skomorokhov, allegedly a hero of Novorossiya. And according to his articles, an agent of the SBU. Yegor Makhov, too, a provocateur

            If you cannot, or do not want, or are afraid to see the real state of affairs, read and listen to Mikhans and Finchs. That's where urya patriotism blooms and smells fellow... This is why VO is valuable. Here everyone can express their opinion, even if this opinion was put into his head with jelly with a nightingale.
            1. DeKo
              DeKo 23 July 2020 18: 42 New
              -3
              You're wrong. I'm not a jingoistic patriot. And smelled gunpowder. But ... a lot of "friends" of Russia are beginning to quote you. Isn't it too much?
            2. Rusland
              Rusland 25 July 2020 10: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: mdsr
              Quote: DeKo
              Military review has become frankly Russophobic. Roman Skomorokhov, allegedly a hero of Novorossiya. And according to his articles, an agent of the SBU. Yegor Makhov, too, a provocateur

              If you cannot, or do not want, or are afraid to see the real state of affairs, read and listen to Mikhans and Finchs. That's where urya patriotism blooms and smells fellow... This is why VO is valuable. Here everyone can express their opinion, even if this opinion was put into his head with jelly with a nightingale.

              The Observer of women's skirts has already gotten tired of it.
            3. Morrrow
              Morrrow 26 July 2020 12: 40 New
              0
              Only here is an unrealistic state of affairs. There are misanthropic ideas
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        7. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
          ROMAN VYSOTSKY 22 July 2020 23: 25 New
          +5
          And the article is about nothing and the comments are also about nothing. Yes, everywhere there are and will be passionaries and those who have sucked in. So it was, is and will be. And this is not a tragedy. And nothing will crack, and neither will it. One cannot expect that for six years people will only dream of how to hang Piglet and Zelya on Bankova Street. People want to live in peace and happiness. And at rest.
        8. pereselenec
          pereselenec 23 July 2020 09: 12 New
          -6
          Quote: Insurgent
          Donbass has made its choice! Finally, and irrevocably!


          Sorry, of course, but you are not an object, you are a subject of politics. What will happen to you - the Kremlin will decide.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 23 July 2020 09: 19 New
            +7
            Quote: pereselenec
            Sorry, of course, but you are not an object, you are a subject of politics. What will happen to you - the Kremlin will decide.

            Not worth an apology. And there is yes We are the subject, because they only broke away from the ideologically hated Nazi Outskirts, they broke away, moreover, not entirely, part of our territories is still occupied.
            We have nothing to be ashamed of by this, unlike the "square" Outskirts, which had objectivity, but it stupidly exchanged it for lace panties ...

            And yes, the Kremlin will decide, it is already deciding yes In small, small steps ...
            1. the lord
              the lord 25 July 2020 02: 07 New
              -2
              You have shown such universal stupidity right now, without seeing the key zashkvar in the words of this "immigrant" - subjectivity in politics is just good, it means that you are considered everywhere. When someone, like a ruin, becomes the object of a politician, this is the khan himself. The object in politics is the one who is taken advantage of
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 25 July 2020 08: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: znavel
                You have shown such universal stupidity right now, without seeing the key zashkvar in the words of this "immigrant" - subjectivity in politics is just good,

                I confess, in this sense, I confused the concepts yes , but nevertheless, I think that those around me understood my idea even with an annoying and awkward mistake ...
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    2. A.Lex
      A.Lex 23 July 2020 11: 43 New
      -3
      That is why Russia is in no hurry to admit those who have not yet defined themselves as Crimea. There are too many of these well-fed khatoskrainiks, whom the Nazis have not yet had time to omit.
      1. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 23 July 2020 19: 56 New
        +3
        Do you have a conscience to talk about people who have been bombarded for 6 years? and in general why the Russians from Russia are better than the Russians from Donbass, so you can declare Russia to blame for the fact that Lenin gave Donbass to the outskirts
        1. the lord
          the lord 25 July 2020 02: 12 New
          +1
          That would almost support you, but your defecation towards Lenin ... Are there many more of you like that? So Lenin could not transfer the regions of the USSR between the Soviet republics? This republic already had an industrial region for development, and it was transferred. Don't you think that it is your White Guard and monarchist views among the Novorossiysk militia that reject the majority of Russians to support the LPNR? Right now, we have the USSR and Lenin and Stalin are in favor and honor.
          1. A.Lex
            A.Lex 26 July 2020 21: 58 New
            0
            I gave you a plus, but the mistakes of the first rulers of the USSR still cannot be denied. The transfer of part of the regions of the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR allowed the current Ukraine to behave so arrogantly and shamelessly. In this I agree with VVP: let them return what they were given as allies in state education and the structure of the Soviet Union. the impudent and shameless lodges of farmers should be punished by the rejection of RUSSIAN territories (although here I contradict myself, but it would become historically fair ... another question is that a significant part of the current population of these territories is zombified by the modern leaders of this territorial entity, misunderstandingly called state of Ukraine ")
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 27 July 2020 07: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Megatron
      The Soviet Union was also destroyed, exchanged for sausage and jeans, and only then did they realize what they had done.

      The question is different: what status does LPR and DPR want and can live in. If Russia itself recognizes them as the territory of Ukraine. A person lives once and wants to live normally
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 22 July 2020 15: 11 New
    +8
    New meanings are needed, not ambiguity. Otherwise, a split in society is inevitable, and the abyss will grow so much that it will never be possible to cross it.
    ..... New meanings, the USSR was not enough, the result is on the face ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 July 2020 15: 34 New
      11
      hi
      Whole dynasties of farmers formed and sat on the "oars". I am more than sure that they have already laid not only the LPNR in the world “pawnshop”.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 22 July 2020 15: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      ..... New meanings, the USSR was not enough, the result is on the face ...

      That's right, "new meanings"in the vision of Judas Gorbachev, and led to such a catastrophic result yes
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 22 July 2020 15: 51 New
        +8
        Stalin spoke about new meanings, and added if we did not find we would die ...
  3. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 22 July 2020 15: 11 New
    +4
    Yes, with these "refugees" only inconvenience. They have priority in clinics, in kindergartens, and even in the passport office. It seems like everyone owes them. And they, with a Ukrainian passport, rush back and forth across the border.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 22 July 2020 15: 46 New
      15
      Yes, with these "refugees" only inconvenience. They have priority in clinics, in kindergartens, and even in the passport office.

      The ostentatious generosity of the "rowers" of the largest fragment of the Great Soviet Union should not mislead anyone. Under the glossy "candy wrapper" there is only true concern for one's own beloved. In bright dreams - to give ordinary citizens of Russia the only "priority" who did not manage to become refugees. Two square meters of "non-residential area".
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 22 July 2020 16: 10 New
        12
        The author, apparently, at a young age, did not hear the expression "bread and circuses", did not read "Khiba the waters roar, like the number of povni" ...
        People will not be fed up with loud patriotic phrases. All these slogans are good when you and your children are fed, dressed, shod. When there is no war outside the window and you are confident in the future.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 23 July 2020 05: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          "Hiba the waters roar, yak number povni "...

          "I heard a ringing, but did not understand where he is" yes .

          "Hiba roar of will, yak Яsla povni"- a novel written by brothers Panas Mirny and Ivan Bilyk in 1875.
  4. boris epstein
    boris epstein 22 July 2020 15: 19 New
    +8
    "Do not be afraid of a traitor, he can only betray. Do not be afraid of the enemy, he can only kill. Be afraid of the indifferent, it is because of them that the Hitlers come to power." (Erich Maria Remarque).
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 July 2020 16: 36 New
      +8
      ... Do not be afraid of your enemies - in the worst case they can kill you.
      Do not be afraid of your friends - at worst they can betray you.
      Fear the indifferent - they do not kill or betray, but with their tacit consent, treason and lies exist on earth.

      Victor Zisman. Conspiracy of the indifferent.
      hi
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 22 July 2020 16: 37 New
        +3
        I read the phrase I quoted in Remarque's Three Comrades.
        1. Avior
          Avior 22 July 2020 16: 55 New
          +3
          I do not insist, but I think you were a little mistaken
          Plot Three comrades takes place in the 20s, before Hitler came to power.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 22 July 2020 16: 43 New
      +9
      "Do not be afraid of a traitor, he can only betray. Do not be afraid of the enemy, he can only kill. Be afraid of the indifferent, it is because of them that the Hitlers come to power." (Erich Maria Remarque).

      A very relevant reminder. Under the strained guise of a permanent "savior", it is definitely not a new Stalin looming. "Chatlanes" do not consider everyone else as their fellow citizens, except in words, when it is profitable. In fact, a sufficient expression of a civic position is supposed to be only the right to waste money on the master, throw off SMS-kami for the treatment of children and wait for enlightenment in the "hut on the edge". The experience of all the "optimizations" suggests that, by a "great command", the houses of ordinary Russians will soon be recognized as "unnecessary property", and the "fabulous" will explain that one "people-place" is enough for everyone who is not his friend. And "he will ask you to treat with understanding."
  5. prior
    prior 22 July 2020 15: 25 New
    +8
    Until the "forester" comes and hangs on everyone's tinsel, the "reds" and "whites" will continue to chase each other through the forest and bark at each other. But the "forester" for some reason is not in a hurry .... apparently such a mess suits him.
    1. the lord
      the lord 25 July 2020 02: 19 New
      +1
      Your forester is a notion from an anecdote. In a match between reds and whites, the reds must definitely win, only then the issues and needs of ordinary people will be somehow resolved. The alternative always leads to the oligarchy with its contradictions. And military-technical progress under the oligarchs increasingly threatens the total destruction of everything.
      1. prior
        prior 26 July 2020 13: 54 New
        0
        You are too serious when discussing serious things.
        When oligarchs share power and money, they are least concerned with the needs of ordinary people.
        Actually, I'm from the Reds and for the Reds, but where can I get the Red Forester ?! Here's the question .....
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 27 July 2020 07: 36 New
      0
      Quote: prior
      Until the "forester" comes and hangs on everyone's tinsel, the "reds" and "whites" will continue to chase each other through the forest and bark at each other. But the "forester" for some reason is not in a hurry .... apparently such a mess suits him.

      So the forest is reserved. Nature will figure out who to eat
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 July 2020 15: 29 New
    -2
    We need drastic measures and decisions, otherwise indifference will kill the Donbass, the Kiev region will seize the republics, and mass torture and murder of unwanted people will begin. From the very first days of their existence, the republics had to deal with the population, conduct continuous agitation and propaganda work to eradicate small-town uk-roinness in the population! People needed to explain with examples from life that a return to the past is a step into the grave! Now, it is necessary to put tough people in power, ready to defend independence from Ukraine at any cost, Donbass has no other option.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 July 2020 16: 03 New
      11
      Well, of course, instead of bread, we will give people propaganda
      1. Region68
        Region68 22 July 2020 22: 41 New
        0
        Such are the things and they will probably give ... Shipko literate like this tavarisch
  7. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 22 July 2020 15: 31 New
    +9
    "so that you can buy fashionable computer games in Donetsk"
    The author of the publication is aware that games can be downloaded on the network, for example, World of tanks? And how much are the original games on discs? Or do the inhabitants of the LDNR have no Internet?
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 22 July 2020 18: 31 New
      +5
      In general, what does the expression "fashionable computer game" mean? This is nonsense)) But in fact - what annoyed the author with those who travel to Ukraine? Well, maybe a person has a business there, maybe friends or relatives, and what's the difference at all? Do you propose to close the border? Can you also introduce a watch in the trenches for prevention? And write less about gay pride parades and the like. Three times in the article these terms are used this overkill. No, well, you must, most of the inhabitants of the LDNR should be recorded as potential traitors only because they want to live normally and peacefully
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 22 July 2020 18: 43 New
        +3
        Now mostly people play network computer games, they are downloaded for free. If the author wrote games for for example the PS4 console, I would understand that there is a disc with the game "Ghost of Tsushima" 4.5 thousand rubles. worth it. But is such a console affordable for an ordinary resident of the LPNR? I don't know about gay pride parades, since the author writes, then he is interested in the topic.
      2. the lord
        the lord 25 July 2020 02: 29 New
        -1
        To live peacefully on the bones of relatives and neighbors killed by the junta under the blue and yellow rag of the Downs? Hmm, something like that is always classified as a betrayal. ..
        And the problems that are described by the author arose from that. that for some reason the LPNR stopped disobeying the Kremlin. And it’s time to do it and go to the continuation of the military conflict with the junta (fortunately, the junta regularly gives reasons, having already lost caution). In the end, the Kremlin will have to support it, otherwise the Russian leadership will not be able to resist. And then there is the loss of prospects from the "streams" and other nishtyaks that require "careful and tactful behavior." The LDNR armies need to use the moment to the fullest. Otherwise, the khataskrayniks and such runners to the opposite side will begin to prevail and, as a result, will hang the commanders of the LPNR. Something like this
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 27 July 2020 07: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      "so that you can buy fashionable computer games in Donetsk"
      The author of the publication is aware that games can be downloaded on the network, for example, World of tanks? And how much are the original games on discs? Or do the inhabitants of the LDNR have no Internet?

      At one time there providers blocked Russian resources
  8. truck driver
    truck driver 22 July 2020 15: 32 New
    10
    In fact, the LDNR is that for Ukraine and for Russia a suitcase without a handle is hard to carry, it's a pity to throw it away. But Russia needs the LDNR only to keep Ukraine behind the Faberge and not let it float away to NATO and the EU, which are also not happy with it, they are satisfied with the current position of Ukraine as a supplier of raw materials, primarily round timber and labor force. The Ukrainian government, too, cannot officially refuse the LPNR, although the solution would be to refuse, thus stop the war and move on without looking back at Russia. Therefore, the current situation is beneficial to everyone except the people of the LDNR and Ukraine, people understand this and arrange themselves as best they can, in Russia, in Ukraine, but there is no future in the LDNR.
  9. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 22 July 2020 15: 57 New
    18
    The author mentioned Girkin, "who dirty everything and everyone." Are there any specific claims, or are we all unfounded accusations?
  10. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 22 July 2020 15: 59 New
    +8
    Only when there is a serious state on the territory of Russia, only then will there be changes in Novorossia. ,, Capitalist Russia ,, that for 30 years ,, rules ,, on the territory of the country of Russia, is little of itself. ,, RK ,, is a quasi-state. It LIKES the state. It puffs its cheeks and ... is embarrassed to open branches of its banks not only in Donbass, but even in Crimea. “And what will the Western partners say, will not our harsh actions upset them? “Why is the“ RK ”leadership so concerned about the reaction of the West? Very simple. There, in the West, they have real estate, kids, prospects ... And in Russia, they just cut the loot ... tirelessly.
    Khabarovsk rages for ten days. So what? Are the Kremlin top-managers who are bringing down the shaft to the Far East? Communicate with the people, listen, take into account the opinion, come to a common decision? FULL IGNOR! About the Dyatlov pass, the pro-Kremlin media are happy to talk avidly, but about Khabarovsk they are silent.
    They ignore their region ... And who in the RK needs the problems of the residents of Novorossiya?
    And she herself will not solve her problems. Too small, too young, too heavy is the burden of unresolved issues inherited by the republics from the past
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 22 July 2020 16: 00 New
    +8
    Any imperfection entails unpredictable consequences. More often than not, not very good.
  12. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 22 July 2020 16: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Megatron
    The Soviet Union was also destroyed, exchanged for sausage and jeans, and only then did they realize what they had done.

    NO, do not understand. Today we have a lot of Kollei-s-Urengoy, and all kinds of perverts. And so, nothing new, the state is collapsing - parasites and all kinds of abomination come to this territory. If the State does not act in relation to the marginalized, it is doomed. I didn’t come up with it. This is Mother History.
  13. Kronos
    Kronos 22 July 2020 16: 05 New
    18
    Once again, the author accused ordinary residents who do not want to live their whole life in suffering for an incomprehensible reason
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 22 July 2020 23: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Kronos
      Once again, the author accused ordinary residents those who do not want to live in suffering all their lives for no reason

      ===
      probably they should deal with those who bring this suffering
  14. U-58
    U-58 22 July 2020 16: 19 New
    -5
    A song about "khataskrayniks".
    The fact of the matter is that such a mentality just dominates in Ukraine, including in its southeastern part.
    It was this inescapable feature that prevented the Donetsk people from organizing in '14 and creating a united front of opposition to Kiev.
    Everyone defended their home, their street, their village. And did not give a damn about the defense of a neighboring farm or town.
    Therefore, they skidded, lost territory.
    Cleverness came later ...
    What to do?
    Since selfishness and mesochiness cannot be eliminated at once, the situation could be corrected by a strong and active position of Russia.
    There is none at the moment.
    Why is another question.
    Either the Donbass was really drained, or they are preparing active actions closer to the year 24 for the enlightenment of the darkened face of the Great and Mighty Cliff, the Shining Battle with one leg in the sky, Living while machines exist ©.
    Whether this will happen, how events will go, God knows.
  15. Garant_Solntselikij
    Garant_Solntselikij 22 July 2020 16: 20 New
    +3
    Nothing beats the harm that indifferent people, concerned only with consumer matters, do to republics

    Well, as usual, the people of Donbass were appointed as the last one
    All the other white and fluffy sheep
  16. Alsur
    Alsur 22 July 2020 16: 21 New
    0
    Quote: LKW Fahrer
    In fact, the LDNR is that for Ukraine and for Russia a suitcase without a handle is hard to carry, it's a pity to throw it away. But Russia needs the LDNR only to keep Ukraine behind the Faberge and not let it float away to NATO and the EU, which are also not happy with it, they are satisfied with the current position of Ukraine as a supplier of raw materials, primarily round timber and labor force. The Ukrainian government, too, cannot officially refuse the LPNR, although the solution would be to refuse, thus stop the war and move on without looking back at Russia. Therefore, the current situation is beneficial to everyone except the people of the LDNR and Ukraine, people understand this and arrange themselves as best they can, in Russia, in Ukraine, but there is no future in the LDNR.

    As he began, nobody needs the LDNR, neither Ukraine nor Russia, but ended that the situation is not beneficial to the peoples of the LDNR and Ukraine. And for the people of Russia, this situation with Donbass turns out to be beneficial. Probably it is, we are glad to help financially and this "nothing" costs Russia. Comrade, you are apparently from Ukraine and your cunningness did not pass, you burned. And you slept on the fact that you do not understand that for the Russians the majority of the population of the LDNR and Ukraine are the same Russians, separated from Russia together with Ukraine. The future is not for the LPNR, but for the population who lives there. And the name of the territory is the tenth thing.
  17. rudolff
    rudolff 22 July 2020 16: 23 New
    16
    What is happening now in Donbass is natural. Six years ago, people were inspired by Crimea, and Putin's famous statement actually became a call for resistance: "... And let someone from among the servicemen try to shoot at their own people. Behind whom we will stand behind. Not in front, but behind. Let them be they will try to shoot women and children. I will look at those who will give such an order in Ukraine. " The thought was in the air that "to stand for a day, but to hold out for a night" and Russia would come to the rescue. But ... the Minsk agreements came. Instead of dreaming about the best - war as a way of life and the absence of any intelligible perspective. So is it any wonder that the number of the disenchanted is increasing every year? People are tired. And they survive as best they can. Before blaming them, it's worth answering a simple question. If Putin hadn’t said then about women, children and our soldiers, but would have said: "No, guys! Donbass is not Crimea! Your place is in Ukraine, forget about Russia!" Would there be a LDNR in general? Would there be resistance? Or ... Odessa 2.0?
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 July 2020 17: 01 New
      +9
      I think the whole problem is that the level AND quality of life in the LPNR has dropped dramatically.
      People were ready to endure problems for some time, but endlessly endure it is unclear why they are clearly not ready
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 22 July 2020 23: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        I think the whole problem is that the level AND quality of life in the LPNR has dropped dramatically.
        People were ready to suffer problems for a while, but infinitely put up with it is unclear what they are for obviously not ready

        ===
        the quality of life has dropped both in Russia and in Europe. and in Ukraine too. and from each iron pouring - buy, rest, have fun
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 23 July 2020 00: 11 New
          -1
          the quality of life has dropped both in Russia and in Europe.


          This is superfluous with Europe ... laughing I do not know a country where the quality of life in the EU has fallen. Can you tell me? :)
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 23 July 2020 01: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            the quality of life has dropped both in Russia and in Europe.


            With Europe is superfluous. laughing I do not know a country where the quality of life in the EU has fallen. Can you tell me? :)

            ===
            you may have too much, but I do not.
            http://ereport.ru/reviews/rev202006.htm, а больше, то инет в помощь.
      2. REZMovec
        REZMovec 24 July 2020 23: 58 New
        -3
        It is your opinion that the standard of living has dropped. Everything is there. And the prices are adequate to income. In dill, prices are several times higher. Bread for example, utilities ...
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 July 2020 07: 49 New
          -2
          Has the standard of living in the republics increased?
  18. Suslin
    Suslin 22 July 2020 16: 37 New
    -6
    The status of a winner is always in the head, and the status of a conciliator is in the stomach ... It is unacceptably disgusting to be both yours and ours. Having two passports is mean, and first of all in relation to yourself and your children.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 July 2020 20: 31 New
      +3
      If the stomach is empty, then no lofty thoughts will enter your head
      1. Suslin
        Suslin 23 July 2020 11: 56 New
        -2
        During the war, the carts did not always keep up with the units, they had to starve and eat "pasture. So your statement is not very true.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 23 July 2020 12: 01 New
          +4
          Everything is right I said. Hungry soldiers fight worse than well-fed
    2. Cristall
      Cristall 23 July 2020 00: 11 New
      +9
      Quote: Suslin
      The status of the winner is always in the head, and the status of the conciliator is in the stomach.

      in the name of a great goal, you can always live and fight.
      She's not here. More precisely, it was announced and used. And now there is no goal.
      Quote: Suslin
      It is unacceptably disgusting to be both yours and ours.

      Why so?
      LDNR ours and Russians.
      Donbass is Ukraine
      We are for the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
      We are for the Minsk agreements
      We are for independence
      We are against Ukraine
      Ukraine-perform MC 2
      And a bunch of other conflicting statements from different angles.
      About children.
      7 year gray zone. A generation of children already.
      And they have no place in this zone. Either Russia or Ukraine.
      Because the "showcase of the Russian world" is an unrecognized gray area with shelling and an incomprehensible future.
      And people WANT TO LIVE!
      After all, they were simply used. And they still use it. Screen of distraction from Crimean.
      And after 7 years of gray zone - and trying to survive - do you blame them for trying to survive this hopelessness?
      About 2 passports.
      PMR - desperately wanted in the Russian Federation. A bunch of requests and other things.
      Passports. PMR, Moldova, Ukraine, Romania, EU countries ..
      Rebuke them? For what? People want to live.
      And politicians twist them like a screen.
      So it is with ORDLO. They have arranged a gray zone and they believe that everyone wants such a "Russian world". And they also want to push him into Ukraine. They push them with one hand and say that they should be in the Russian Federation.
      1. Suslin
        Suslin 23 July 2020 12: 00 New
        -1
        Well, let's say Donbass existed long before Ukraine. And the Ukrainian SSR was created by V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin). Something like this.
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 23 July 2020 22: 43 New
          0
          Quote: Suslin
          Well, let's say Donbass existed long before Ukraine.

          Let's assume that much has existed for a long time in Ukraine.
          The same UNR, Hetman and others ... Little Russia ..
          Quote: Suslin
          And the Ukrainian SSR was created by V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin). Something like this.

          He needed a world revolution. The autonomous republics did not pass, but the union republics.
          I believe that the Ukrainian SSR / RSFSR ,, BSSR and others are the brainchild of Stalin.
          It was under him that they took shape (plus the Crimea under Khrushchev) completely.
          1. Suslin
            Suslin 24 July 2020 10: 44 New
            0
            Turn on your head! Enough of clip thinking.
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 27 July 2020 07: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Suslin
      The status of a winner is always in the head, and the status of a conciliator is in the stomach ... It is unacceptably disgusting to be both yours and ours. Having two passports is mean, and first of all in relation to yourself and your children.

      Well, if the legislation of Russia allows you to obtain citizenship without renouncing the previous one ... How many talked about dual citizenship but things are still there
  19. Jaromir
    Jaromir 22 July 2020 16: 40 New
    0
    How can they not call themselves Ukrainians by their fathers !? Why should I refuse my father, grandfather, great-grandfather, great-great-great-great? You write, but do not talk. Nobody is going to your Race. It is no longer necessary to free us. Naasvabazhad already.
    1. Dr. Frankenstucker
      Dr. Frankenstucker 22 July 2020 17: 38 New
      -4
      Nobody is going to your Race. It is no longer necessary to free us. Naasvabazhad already.


      This is clear. And what do you want?
  20. Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 22 July 2020 16: 47 New
    -1
    And that's all because the approach of states (including Russia) intervening in solving such problems is completely stupid and does not correspond to the realities of modern civilization.
    Follow the example of Britain with its decision on Hong Kong and everything will be fine with you.
  21. Maks1995
    Maks1995 22 July 2020 17: 27 New
    +2
    In general, for all the good versus all the bad.
    Only good wishes, "thoughtful" reflections and not a single fact or statistics.

    Why is the LDNR so loved lately?
  22. mehan
    mehan 22 July 2020 19: 50 New
    +3
    I read .....
    Most commentators know neither the history of the region, nor the mentality of the urban population .... I emphasize - the urban!
    Other people live in the villages ...
    And I was there, for a long time, and talked ... a lot ...
    Most, it is customary that in Russia they will "receive" (just receive, not earn, this is important!) 50 thousand rubles each. And the prices will remain Ukrainian. Most of them, even in the outback of Russia, have not been, without already creating outside the borders. Egypt does not count.))))
    About the closed mines and unemployment in the all-round Gukovo did not hear. Perspective word, a dirty word.
    In general, we drew ourselves a captivating picture. Would you like her to come to them herself, they are smart, they won't trample on her?
    Get off your seat and leave to raise money, as before on shifts and other severi, this is for ... Ukrainians.
    The reality turned out to be different.
    Five years is what I predicted. And they saw, and it came.
    Stocks have eaten up, hopes have died. They don't know what to do.
    The propagandons have nothing to do with it, they simply cannot offer anything intelligible. There is no ideology.
    And so they rush like a toad in a hole.
    Zugzwang.

    PS. Of course, I know how it will end, but I won't say. Otherwise, some of them will be visited by grandfather Kondrat.
  23. Undecim
    Undecim 22 July 2020 20: 06 New
    +7
    Every day there are more and more such people, and they are infinitely far from those who created the LDNR in the spring of 2014 or defended them later.
    The author either pretends or is really far from reality in his cognitive dissonance, to eliminate which it is enough to illuminate who created the DLNR in the spring of 2014 and for what purpose. And then everything falls into place and there is no need to fight in creative hysteria and generate groans that the DLNR got the wrong people.
  24. Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 22 July 2020 23: 05 New
    -2
    That's all right. There is a decent number of Ukrainians in Donbass. We have such a feature (Ukraine, Belarus, Russia), a character trait - by ... fifigism. Back in 2014, I noticed that many people think only of momentary benefits. I don't care what will happen tomorrow. The main thing is to grab more. This also applies to Crimeans, by the way. There, too, they basically thought that Russia would raise the standard of living, and not about the "Russian world." And all because there is no ideology. And in capitalism it cannot exist, except for currency. And in the Russian Federation they do not want to solve it in any way - which may come back to haunt in the future. Faith and greatness of the country unites. But I don't notice anything specific about the Russian people.

    And all because people live one day. In 1991, the current "quilted jackets" also did not care where and who to be: Russia, Ukraine ... and it - just like - after 25 years backfired.
    1. mehan
      mehan 24 July 2020 21: 22 New
      0
      So Donbass is Ukraine.
      Where should they live if not at home?))))
      I see that you have never been there.
  25. Vladimir Bor
    Vladimir Bor 22 July 2020 23: 13 New
    +1
    Vysotsky wrote "there are few real violent ..." ideological ones are always a minority, the bulk always wants to eat deliciously and have a good rest. Therefore, if Ukraine gives gingerbread, most of them will run over to her, but at the moment Ukraine cannot give gingerbread, she herself is waiting for gingerbread from the EU, and they promise everything ...
    and the Russian Federation is not a bottomless well of free benefits, although most Russians believe that the state owes them a lot ...
  26. Phoenix040
    Phoenix040 22 July 2020 23: 53 New
    0
    Those who have not quarreled with Ukraine, only in the Donbass and in the Russian Federation pretend to be people who are not interested in politics, and when they come to Ukraine, they behave quite differently. Donbass needs to be cleared of Bandera. He left for Bandera's, let him go, don't let him go to Donbass anymore! Russia, too, would not hurt to clean up of Russophobes of all stripes! And then how to eat Russian bread, so they are like Russians, but as far as business goes, so are patriots of foreign states hostile to the Russian Federation!
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 23 July 2020 22: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Phoenix040
      ... Donbass needs to be cleared of Bandera. He left for Bandera's, let him go, don't let him go to Donbass anymore!

      In numbers, suggest how much will the population decrease?
      Or do you not value the main resource at the moment in the modern world purely out of principle?
      It is customary to fight for people. For their mind, for their attention. They pay a lot for this. Because it is a resource without which the economy does not work.
      And you will get rid of all relatives, young people, active pensioners in one fell swoop.
      Quote: Phoenix040
      He left for Bandera's, let him go, don't let him go to Donbass anymore!

      one to one as our nationalists.
      Only that they are led as the devil.
      They also do not understand what kind of people need to fight. Soft power, its level of development, its economy, its ties, direct cash flow.
      Because they are the ones who produce the product and consume it. That is, they create an economy.
      Get rid of unnecessary people in a weakening economy.
      it's like speeding up a steam locomotive by reducing the coal supply ...
    2. mehan
      mehan 24 July 2020 21: 24 New
      0
      Well, free the sofa and go clean the Donbass ...
      To begin with, pass the young growth through the screens, which is going to enter.
  27. Sergey ivachev
    Sergey ivachev 23 July 2020 06: 08 New
    0
    Refugees from those regions came to Amurka. Live, work. We wrinkled their noses. It's cold here. They drove off to Krasnodar. And such a carriage and a cart.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 23 July 2020 10: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Ivachev
      Refugees from those parts came to Amurka. Live, work. Wrinkled noses. It's cold here.They drove off to Krasnodar.And such a car and a cart.

      ===
      So what? people have lived all their lives in the south, why should they leave there. whoever needs a good job or career, desire, will go not only to the Far East, and not only immigrants.
    2. Alt 22
      Alt 22 26 July 2020 08: 41 New
      0
      It's hot in "those parts". And people from Donbass are simply not used to living in a different climate, I know from myself that it is very difficult to get used to a very different climate, especially for middle-aged and older people. I checked it personally - in 2014 I was in the Murmansk region, then, in 2015, in the Astrakhan region, for six months. It was very hard, if I were at least 30 years old, I would probably get used to it, but it was very hard ...
  28. pereselenec
    pereselenec 23 July 2020 09: 17 New
    -6
    Quote: Thrifty
    Kiev region will seize the republics, and mass torture and murder of unwanted people will begin.


    And did the Kiev region kill a lot, in the same Slavyansk, for example, after it was handed over?
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 26 July 2020 08: 45 New
      0
      I called up one girl from Slavyansk, after its surrender - they did not kill everyone in a row, but there were corpses. Especially memorable was the message about two girls who were raped and not cut (abdominal wounds), accidentally found in the bushes near the road. The girls, fortunately, survived, did not write a statement ...
      In fairness, when the Pravoseks and Natsiks in Slavyansk were changed to normal people, there were practically no cases of rape and murders.
  29. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 23 July 2020 10: 26 New
    +2
    People throughout the 20th century fought for ideology, and now the 21st century is no longer relevant. What does a person need? feed the family, provide housing, raise children and educate them. All this requires money. Someone calls these consumers, and so on, while others have played enough politics and war for a long time and work a job for which they pay the money needed for the family. In other words, Vasya wants to achieve universal justice, and Vanya wants to exchange a 4 * 4 cornfield for a Cadillac, but he needs money
  30. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +4
    "Russia turned out to be to blame all around - it didn't support it that way, didn't save it that way, doesn't feed it that way ..."
    Isn't that so? Conclude "Minsk" is it considered to support? Yes, if not for this truce, there would be no LDNR, but New Russia with borders up to Transnistria! Not saved - shelling because of this Minsk and the murder of civilians, this is what is called salvation? And how does Russia save the LPR in general? They killed all the leaders and prohibit revenge, because this is a violation of "Minsk". Not so feeding. Why so, or what? No work, no wages, no trade. No war, no peace, no life! Do not die of hunger and let them rejoice !?
    I believe that people have already been betrayed and are now slowly being destroyed for the sake of Bender's scum!
    1. Drugov
      Drugov 23 July 2020 22: 11 New
      +3
      I would add that one of the most global failures of Putin's team was the deliberate loss of Ukraine from the areola of political influence. For so many years they ignored what was happening with their neighbors, and now they shrug their shoulders and talk nonsense about the impossibility of influencing the policy of a foreign and sovereign state. At first they destroyed everything, but now they don't know how to glue it together.
      1. mehan
        mehan 24 July 2020 21: 27 New
        0
        They ignored themselves.
        Look how many sent Kazachkov returned home to Russia after the Maidan! Starting with the president and prime minister.
        It couldn't. It turned out that some wrong people live there.
        1. Drugov
          Drugov 25 July 2020 14: 42 New
          0
          So the first Maidan dates back to 2004. It was then that it was worth thinking about the fact that the Russophobic policy was frankly flooded with the neighbors and it was time to deal with this neighbor.
      2. bulava
        bulava 27 July 2020 11: 25 New
        +1
        The failure of not Putin, but of his predecessor, who preferred a barbecue near the white house to resolving issues with neighbors. GDP is trying to solve these mistakes, but! "Western partners" do not sit idle either. And if you consider that during the EBN, our elite prefers "London and Zurich", then it is generally very difficult to act straightforward and tough. You have to maneuver between different interests.
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 July 2020 00: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: steel maker
      Yes, if not for this truce, it would not have been the LDNR, but New Russia with borders to Transnistria!

      The LDNR had an army of at least 20-30 divisions of the military staff ???? !!! Won what ...
      I'll tell you a secret - even the Russian army is not enough to occupy the territories of your scope ...
  31. AleBors
    AleBors 23 July 2020 18: 07 New
    +2
    Double-dealing is the essence of Ukrainianism itself. Unfortunately, most of the irreconcilable fighters for the "Russian spring" died in 2014-2015, or were later destroyed or compromised by the "former" who came to power on a wave of patriotism. And now, in general, confusion and vacillation. No war, no peace. Neither in Russia nor in Ukraine.
    1. mehan
      mehan 24 July 2020 21: 17 New
      0
      If so, then who are the double-dealers?
    2. VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV
      VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV 25 July 2020 21: 22 New
      -1
      What are you talking about, sick? There is no war in Russia ... It is in Ukraine that there is a war between the people and those who want to put on a Galician muzzle on the citizens of Donbass and force them to speak their village language ...
      1. AleBors
        AleBors 28 July 2020 09: 44 New
        0
        You don’t poke me ... There is a war of independence in Russia. While sluggish. And I know what is going on in Donbass ... I saw it ... in 2014-2015.
  32. Valery Kuzmin
    Valery Kuzmin 24 July 2020 06: 43 New
    +1
    Complete nonsense that has no meaning and no logic.
  33. REZMovec
    REZMovec 24 July 2020 22: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: Paul Siebert
    Yesterday I spent the whole day in a sick state.
    I watched YouTube Sharia with the filming of an action camera from the helmet of an Estonian physician killed in the DPR.
    In a few words:
    A medic, in military uniform, with a helmet on his head and with an AK-74 in his hands, participates in the evacuation of the "XNUMXth" sabotage group, which ran into the "separatists" a few hours ago. At least one of the "rescuers" took part in this shootout and knows where to go. A hohlyatsky copter accompanies them from the air - constantly correcting their movement.
    Medic - call sign "Delta" breathlessly, whistling, breathing. The path is not easy for him, but he constantly chases his younger companions. He speaks Russian purely, without an accent. "The main thing is time, guys. Go ahead. You are the Marines!"
    The militias are called "separatists" and "bastards."
    The group is well equipped - on machine guns, all, except for the medic's machine gun, have collimator sights. On the heads - NATO helmets - at the chest of drawers a helmet with cutouts on the ears, for headphones, an option for tankers and drivers of military vehicles. Many have walkie-talkies. Every thirty seconds they begin to crackle and squeal in a hohlyatskiy patter: "Wait, beat ten hodyn - copter? Check while ..."
    The fighters have light armor, obviously of European appearance. The feeling is that you can pierce with a needle. But it's not hard to walk.
    A quarter of an hour after the clowning with radio conversations, which can be heard from a kilometer away, the group raids on militia fire. Bursts rattle, bullets whistle.
    Warriors of Light fall to the ground and crawl in the opposite direction, losing orange Bakelite magazines from their discharge pockets.
    A mess begins. The group is spreading, the fighters are losing each other. The main guess is that they are shooting their own. From the walkie-talkie you can hear: "Stop fire! Tse - our own. Do you feel it?" Doesn't help - shooting starts again and again.
    The chest of drawers, it seems, is the only one who at least understands something, crawls around, pulls the medic with it, tries to complete the task. He moves on his bellies, cuts his hands with sharp sedge, lowers his rolled up sleeves, puts on tactical gloves.
    In the valley, in the thick grass, they lose each other. The chest of drawers crawls forward, looking for the wounded. The Medic remains in a ravine in the canopy of deciduous trees. The voice of the drone operator is heard on the air: "I hovered over them. They are under me. Write to me! Write to the drone!" Doc unfastens his backpack with medicines - he no longer has the strength to carry it.
    Looks around between the trees, looking for a hovering drone. Finds him. Tries to contact the operator, assess the situation. In vain. He mutters some crap ...
    The Medic jumps up and runs into the gap towards the copter.
    A deafening shot.
    Without a sound, the dock falls face down. Dies in a split second, without even having time to cry out.
    All day I walked as if dipped in water.
    For what, for what idea, did this Russian guy from the Baltics die? What did he need in the Donetsk steppes? Did he really think the Russians were bastards?
    What a haze? What was in his head? Is there an end to this?
    A few hours before him, an American with Nazi convictions died in a shootout with DPR fighters. They wanted to take out his corpse together with the "three hundred". Here is this cattle - do not mind a damn thing. I came on a safari. And it became a fertilizer.
    Sorry for the Russians.
    It's time to solve this bloody problem. Force Banderlog to peace. Drive out of the territory of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. For now. Defeat them.
    That's it. am

    AKM-TK7 from the Baltic states, Ukrainian modernization of the Soviet AKM 7,62 mm. He is not Russian, Belarusian. It was not an American who died - Dmitry Krasnogrud, the commander of the Marine reconnaissance platoon, another sergeant was killed, it was the Baltic states who came to his aid. A dog's death to dogs.
  34. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 25 July 2020 00: 57 New
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    When you start a revolution, you need to know what you will do after it ends! And nobody in the LDNR ever thought about it. The main thing is to start, as one character said, who fell over the hill after his "creations". So what is called "no peace, no war" has happened. And the "big uncles" are in no hurry to resolve this sluggish military conflict. This is PERMANENT INSTABILITY, but ordinary people suffer, as always.
  35. VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV
    VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV 25 July 2020 21: 04 New
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    The opinion of the author of this article, nothing more than his personal opinion ... The people of Donbass have already decided everything for a long time ... Either to be a part of Russia, or to live in their republics ... There will be no return to where they are considered separatists and subhumans never!
  36. VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV
    VYACHESLAV PROSHAKOV 25 July 2020 21: 10 New
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    Whose is this "Military Review"? What kind of nonsense is it? Does Zelensky want to return Donbass for a cheap price? I doubt that he will succeed in anything at all ... Let him think about how not to be left without "Square" ...
  37. Alt 22
    Alt 22 26 July 2020 08: 31 New
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    Some kind of rotten article. It's not a secret for anyone that people in Donbass do not live as long as they survive. Tens of thousands of pensioners go to Ukraine for pensions - because the pensions paid by the LPNR are not enough for life. A lot of people go to visit relatives, close friends, to solve family matters. Many - they go to buy something they need, sometimes to earn extra money - and they cannot be blamed for this either, people want to live a normal life. But the author, in my opinion, is precisely for this desire to live a little better, and criticizes them ...
  38. Morrrow
    Morrrow 26 July 2020 12: 35 New
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    The author urges to die of hunger and go ragged - only Downs can want this. And what does Girkin dirty there?
  39. Alexander Yolgin
    Alexander Yolgin 29 July 2020 21: 29 New
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    they are Ukrainians and Ukrainians in Africa
  40. loaln
    loaln 2 August 2020 16: 45 New
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    If things went like this, then all the patriots from the Lao PDR should be taken to Russia, and everyone with dual citizenship (both in the Lao PDR and in Russia) should be deprived of their Russian citizenship and deported to Ukraine.
    AND FORGET about this hotbed of deb ... c.
  41. Elena Subbotina
    Elena Subbotina 7 August 2020 18: 48 New
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    A question to the author, do not give statistics, how many people who do not care who live with, there are no such people in my environment in Donetsk, and there are no acquaintances among my acquaintances, where do such statements come from, the author lives in the DPR or sucks nonsense from his finger?
  42. vasya kot
    vasya kot 11 August 2020 11: 34 New
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    it is criminal for a man with a weapon to compare opponents with peaceful suum cuique
  43. Ilya Aksyonov
    Ilya Aksyonov 18 August 2020 05: 58 New
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    Having received Russian citizenship, Ukrainians automatically turn Ukraine into Russia upon the fact of their stay in Ukraine.
    Now in Donbass half a million have become citizens of Russia! And by the end of this year, almost the entire Donbass will become Russian!
    That's it!
    The war is over!
    And the end to all the problems that are being discussed here for the lack of a subject for discussion.
  44. misti1973
    misti1973 20 August 2020 13: 53 New
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    In the state in which they are now, people cannot live. This is abnormal. Rusophobia is an invention of propagandists, it is enough to go to the same Europe to understand that there is no Russophobia at all. And no one forbids speaking Russian. this is another nonsense! Each country should have its own language. Why should it be different in Ukraine? It is criminal to appeal to such "arguments" by organizing a civil war. At the moment there is only one circumstance that prevents this conflict from being resolved - the criminals do not want to be held accountable and are being held hostage the entire population. Sad but true! There is no law there and civilians suffer in the first place. Why look for some stupid excuse if you don't have the courage to admit that they were mistaken and did not calculate the situation? It looks pathetic!
  45. Serge Koval
    Serge Koval 25 August 2020 22: 48 New
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    Left stuffing of false information from the west! Interestingly, a lot of the author eats pechenyukh for such a chyush? There is no split. Everything is organized with us. And if someone doesn’t give a damn about whose leadership they live, then they will go to the cegeyrope!
  46. Lew
    Lew 3 September 2020 17: 52 New
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    who does not like Russia, give out deadly shirts and send to Kiev
  47. Woland
    Woland 14 September 2020 07: 56 New
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    Who would doubt that! This became clear already when these endless "minski" -1, 2,3, etc. went. Popular sympathies are fleeting. If today you cannot provide a quick result (of course, VICTORY), then tomorrow there will be a mass of dissatisfied with everyone and everything. This is an axiom of democracy. In fairness, we must admit that for YEARS there are few willing to endure war and devastation, and a sluggish war is very quickly becomes a bone across the throat MOST. The leadership of the LDNR has only one way out - VICTORY, and in the near future In the event of defeat, the exodus of all the irreconcilable to Russia is inevitable. There will be more and more people dissatisfied with this ambiguous situation every day.
  48. Sergey Kovalev
    Sergey Kovalev 20 September 2020 21: 15 New
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    The LDNR wanted to go home to Russia - and there is Putinism, the Russian people are not a father - but a stern stepfather It is Putinism that made everyone, without exception, sick of it - and friends and even enemies. And people can be understood - than such a king, better in a noose!
  49. Vladimir Balaev
    Vladimir Balaev 27 September 2020 10: 50 New
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    What are modern weapons - missiles, tanks? Modern weapons do not have a completely ancient name - SMUT! What is happening in Belarus - a woman with a cook's education confused the whole country - if you can read something from a sheet, then you can run the country - and look how many such managers were found on the principle - why are we worse! She's the only one in History, no, but Zelensky and Guaido And that Macron (he himself surfaced on the eve of the elections-) and how this proud Tikhanovskaya was ordered to Macron-hey! Well, well, vyakni - and vyaknul, both from the same orogod., Troubles - a great weapon destroys the state to the ground- That Hitler, the military leader, a mighty mind that made all the blue blood of Europe obey? Or the writer Lenin, who seized power from the instigators of the unrest (LDPR) in Russia. And the false Dmitri or Cromwell and various Robespierres? There is only one sure remedy against unrest - the Guillotine. For Russia and Belarus and Ukraine, as for China, Hong Kong - and the slogan should be one - one people - one state - and the time of troubles a place on the block - next to Pugachev
  50. Azamat Ramazanov
    Azamat Ramazanov 10 October 2020 16: 29 New
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    The author of the stupid junta in Ukraine there is no junta is the power of the military. There is no military power in Kiev