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New Russian fleet: first UDC, frigates and submarines

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20th for the first time in Russian stories laid universal amphibious assault ships - only two UDC of project 23900. In addition, two newest multifunctional nuclear submarines of project 885M, as well as two frigates of project 22350, were laid. It must be said that the start of construction was a bit late. Allegedly, a single day of laying down new ships and submarines was supposed to pass on the 16th: at least this was reported to TASS by an informed source in the military-industrial complex. However, this changes little. In any case, July 2020 can be considered the starting date of the history of the new Russian fleetwith fundamentally different capabilities.


UDC of the 23900 project


Characteristics (hypothetical):

Manufacturer: Zaliv shipyard.
Displacement (full): more than 25 tons.
Length: 220 meters.
Width: 33 meter.
Crew: 320 people.
Troopers: up to one thousand people, up to 70-75 pieces of equipment.
Armament: one 100-millimeter gun A-190, three anti-aircraft missile-artillery systems "Palash", two anti-aircraft missile systems "Pantsir-ME".
Air group: more than 20 Ka-29, Ka-27 or Ka-52K helicopters.


The most important point can be considered the laying of universal amphibious ships. They will receive the names "Ivan Rogov" and "Mitrofan Moskalenko". Previously, the country (this applies to both the Russian Federation and the Soviet Union) did not have such combat units, although various landing ships, of course, were built in the interests of the fleet.

It is worth saying that the very concept of the UDC originates from the experience of the Vietnam war, when the Pentagon clearly realized that they lacked combat units that would combine the qualities of various landing ships and support ships.

Russia decided not to lag behind. The country did not receive the French Mistral for obvious reasons, so it had to rely on its own capabilities. Recall that the signing of a contract for the construction of new Russian ships became known in May this year. The amount of the agreement, according to the source, was approximately 100 billion rubles (80 billion, according to other sources). It is believed that the price of two Russian ships is twice more the cost of the French Mistral. Given that the country does not have experience in creating such ships, this should not be ruled out, although there is and an alternative point of view. The first of the ships, according to previously presented data, may enter the fleet in 2027, the second - in 2028.

Multipurpose nuclear submarine project 885M "Yasen-M"


Characteristics (hypothetical):

Manufacturer: Northern Machine-Building Enterprise.
Displacement (underwater): 13800 tons (project 885).
Length: 139 meters (project 885).
Width: 13 meters.
Crew: 64 person.
Armament: eight torpedo tubes and ten launchers. The boat can carry Onyx anti-ship missiles, Caliber cruise missiles, torpedoes, mines and portable anti-aircraft missile systems.


The laying of new submarines can be considered the second most important event: given the fact that the fourth generation strategic submarines of Project 955 do not have adequate cover, the importance of building fourth generation boats can hardly be overestimated. “The nuclear submarines are named after the cities of military glory: Voronezh and Vladivostok,” said President Vladimir Putin.

We will remind, now Russia has only one submarine of project 885 - K-560 "Severodvinsk". All subsequent (K-561 "Kazan", K-573 "Novosibirsk", K-571 "Krasnoyarsk", K-564 "Arkhangelsk", "Perm", "Ulyanovsk" and the submarines laid down on July 20) belong to the modernized project "Ash -M ". They are smaller than the lead submarine. Presumably, these boats have not ten torpedo tubes, but eight, and the number of launchers, on the contrary, has increased: there were not eight, but ten.

There are questions about the armament of new submarines (this applies to all Russian boats). It is not entirely clear whether the fleet managed to overcome the notorious "torpedo crisis" and replace the old USET-80 torpedoes with something more advanced. According to some reports, the process is underway. At various times, the media talked about equipping Russian submarines with "Physicist" and "Case" torpedoes. The first should develop a speed of 50 knots and hit targets at a distance of 50 kilometers. For comparison: the range indicator of USET-80 is 18 kilometers, which is significantly less than that of modern Western counterparts.

Even more curious is the issue of arming the Ashes with the Zircon hypersonic missile, which has been talked about very often lately. According to some reports, the rocket will be able to reach speeds of up to Mach 8, and its range will be 400-600 kilometers.

Frigate project 22350


Features:

Manufacturer: Severnaya Verf.
Displacement (full): 5400 tons.
Length: 135 meters.
Width: 16,4 meter.
Crew: 180-210 people.
Armament: up to sixteen Onyx and Caliber missiles, 130-mm A-192M gun, anti-aircraft artillery, anti-aircraft missiles, anti-submarine weapons and mine-torpedo weapons.
Air group: one Ka-27 helicopter.


Another important event was the laying of two Project 22350 frigates: Admiral Yumashev and Admiral Spiridonov. They will be, respectively, the seventh and eighth ships of Project 22350.

This is one of the key programs of modern Russian shipbuilding. She is seriously "stuck": we recall that the lead ship "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov" was laid down back in 2006, and was commissioned only in 2018. In addition to him, the first serial ship was handed over to the fleet - "Fleet Admiral Kasatonov". The third ship, Admiral Golovko, is currently being tested.

It should be said that earlier there was information about the modernization of the frigate of project 22350. The displacement of the ship of project 22350M is going to be increased to 7000 tons, and the ammunition of the Onyx and Caliber missiles - up to 48 units. It is also assumed that Project 22350 frigates and upgraded ships will be able to carry hypersonic Zircons. Undoubted, hypersonic weapon can dramatically increase the combat potential of Russian surface ships, but in order for them to turn into a truly formidable force, you will need aviation cover. And with this, things are clearly not very good.

However, it is worth repeating, the laying of six powerful modern ships at once is a new milestone in the history of the Russian fleet. Their commissioning will significantly strengthen the potential of the Navy.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 22 July 2020 05: 15 New
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    Let's see how many new UDCs will be built ... if each ship will be built for 11 years far, our Navy will not leave.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 22 July 2020 06: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      Let's see how many new UDCs will be built ... if each ship will be built for 11 years far, our Navy will not leave.

      I'm more interested in something else. It turns out that the Russian Federation is moving from a continental to an oceanic strategy with the projection of power to distant regions?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 22 July 2020 06: 25 New
        +3
        Is Russia moving from a continental to an ocean strategy with the projection of power to distant regions?

        Silenok is still not enough ... this process is not fast and directly depends on the country's internal well-being. hi
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 22 July 2020 06: 40 New
          -3
          I agree with you and will add more ...
          Was it too early for the author to sing the praises?
          In theory - an ordinary event. Laying of new ships. Yes, two are of a new type. So and so with the date did not work out, but how many loud words!
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 22 July 2020 10: 29 New
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            Was it too early for the author to sing the praises?
            In theory - an ordinary event

            No, not an ordinary one. Each of these ships is an important event for Russia, and here they are immediately bookmarked 6 at the same time. In the modern history of shipbuilding, in my opinion, this is the first time. Obviously not an ordinary event.
          2. 3danimal
            3danimal 23 July 2020 22: 28 New
            +1
            There is another question: which shores are planned to be captured? The Chinese may need such ships - they have the money and opportunities for expansion. The budget is 10 times larger than the Russian budget, the main income of which is from industrial production (the share of profit is higher)
            Maybe first become a little richer?
    2. yehat2
      yehat2 22 July 2020 17: 33 New
      -3
      it's minimum. see what salaries at the bay plant
      it is also useful to watch a video where employees describe the remaining potential of the enterprise.
      in general, this whole project from the ship itself to the choice of the plant, I consider a big gamble.
      We need UDC, it's a fact. But first you need to deal with the work of the shipyards, and not engage in adventures. This also applies to enterprises in Crimea and the purchase of a shipyard in India.
      In my opinion, we should build a stable shipbuilding cluster somewhere in a logistically more sane place - only the Krasnodar Territory comes to my mind. Not north, not Far East, not St. Petersburg - only Krasnodar and nowhere else. There are a lot of unemployed people, the climate, railway transport, the sea and many other factors.
      True, it is better to build some of the SMALL ships and icebreakers at the northern shipyards, in the Far East and in St. Petersburg, in order to better adapt them to the climate.
      And all the big ones are only on the Black Sea.
  2. Avior
    Avior 22 July 2020 06: 10 New
    +5
    There is a question on UDC, which has nowhere been answered. What about the landing craft and the dock camera? How will a thousand people disembark ashore?
    Can someone clarify or throw a link?
    The 100 mm gun on the UDC is a bit surprising, of course. Usually such ships are kept away from direct fire contact.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 July 2020 08: 17 New
      +6
      It's ceremonial. Approximately then, why did the Soviet UDC have a whole AK-130. Landing cruiser must have a cannon.


      Put some thread of the boat. Again, there is a simple solution:
      - to cram what is or is developed. Small TDK, or one Dugong or even some thread to Muren, how many talked about their revival.

      However, this is a wild crutch. For UDC requires other ships that have a through passage (otherwise, you will have to load the close one, take out the close one, bring out the loaded close one, start the closing one, load it, and only after that have 2 boats ready for disembarkation). There are none yet. We need to develop it. However, in general, it is not a problem to make an ordinary TDK with a through passage.
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 July 2020 08: 26 New
        +1
        I heard a version that ak130 was then designed specifically to disrupt the project during the struggle to build Soviet aircraft-carrying ships
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 23 July 2020 22: 24 New
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          Generally stupid idea of ​​a double-barreled automatic gun. It's like with tanks: instead of two, better one, but of a larger caliber. Would make 152mm AU.
      2. sav
        sav 22 July 2020 08: 40 New
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        I, too, always wondered why we didn’t make the TDK pass-through? After all, river ferries did this. A dugong, for example, could have been designed this way from the beginning.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 22 July 2020 08: 44 New
          +1
          Well, the classic layout is more convenient to operate and maintain, easier to build and design. The end-to-end MDK functions are useful only if you can make a bridge out of them, or load / unload is possible in one place and you need to greatly speed up it.

          That is, they just did what was more practical and cheaper.
          1. sav
            sav 22 July 2020 08: 48 New
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            Apparently, yes. At that time, no one planned to push the MDK into the dock.
        2. Avior
          Avior 22 July 2020 08: 49 New
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          And the superstructure? She won't give Dugone.

          Dugong is too big for a camera dock, in my opinion.
          1. sav
            sav 22 July 2020 08: 53 New
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            Well, we don't know yet what the internal height of the dock will be? If they planned to use Dugong, then the height could be adjusted.
            1. Avior
              Avior 22 July 2020 08: 55 New
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              Dugong itself is too big in length and a large superstructure, it takes up a lot of space.
              When disembarking at 500 miles, this is useful, but at forty kilometers, as with an udk, it is superfluous, only interferes with loading, as in my opinion.
              1. Rakovor
                Rakovor 22 July 2020 09: 42 New
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                В вики написано - до 6 катеров типа "Серна" или пр. 02510.
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 22 July 2020 10: 05 New
                  +4
                  You can write anything in Vick. Raptors / BK-16 carry only people, a little but fast. However, it is quite possible to have a base like that of the Murikans.



                  Chamois fit poorly and are not produced. Well, there will be even more crap with them. For loading a group of 6 chamois looks like this:
                  - 4 chamois are dropped from the dock
                  - two are loaded, they are taken out of the dock
                  - start 2 previously dropped and load them
                  - take out of the dock, start the last 2 and load them

                  That is, there are many operations, a very long time, very large restrictions on following (well, that is, at full speed, in the open sea it is not normal to do this).
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 24 July 2020 12: 12 New
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                    without successful boats and a well-established technology for their use, the effectiveness of the UDC will not meet expectations and, in general, the meaning of its creation. This is one of the key elements to build an expensive UDC, and not a military transport.
                    Moreover, there is absolutely no need to invent a bicycle - there are 3-4 successful designs of such boats in the world that can be copied.
                    or will we again have our own special path with jet engines, nuclear reactors, hydrofoils and only in the form of prototypes? Oh yeah, we can't make a paratrooper without a 3 ton unit with 20mm cannons. Be sure to remember to deliver!
                    1. yehat2
                      yehat2 24 July 2020 12: 24 New
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                      By the way, who can say how adequate the A223 project is for landing craft?
                2. Avior
                  Avior 22 July 2020 10: 38 New
                  -1
                  Yes, thanks, sorry there is no link to the source
      3. alex80
        alex80 22 July 2020 11: 33 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        It's ceremonial. Approximately then, why did the Soviet UDC have a whole AK-130. Landing cruiser must have a cannon.


        Put some thread of the boat. Again, there is a simple solution:
        - to cram what is or is developed. Small TDK, or one Dugong or even some thread to Muren, how many talked about their revival.

        However, this is a wild crutch. For UDC requires other ships that have a through passage (otherwise, you will have to load the close one, take out the close one, bring out the loaded close one, start the closing one, load it, and only after that have 2 boats ready for disembarkation). There are none yet. We need to develop it. However, in general, it is not a problem to make an ordinary TDK with a through passage.


        This question is interesting because back in 2013, the plant. Gorky, together with the St. Petersburg "Agat Design Bureau", offered the military to build their own landing boats of the "river-sea" class (project A223) for the Mistrals.

        The A223 has three modifications. All have a crew of four, cruising range with cargo is about 500 miles, but other characteristics are different. For example, the A223-1 can take on board either one T-90 tank, or four BTR-80, or four Ural-4320 trucks. А223-2 - either two T-90 tanks, or 6 BTR-80s, or 6 trucks. But the largest option is the A223-3: either three T-90 tanks, or 7 BTR-80s, or 7 trucks. The boats are designed on the principle of end-to-end transportation: vehicles enter from the stern and leave from the bow. Such a vessel does not need to back away, turn with its bow, moor - how convenient it is to dock, from that side the work is done.
        More details on "BUSINESS Online": https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/475280?utm_source=readable-box
      4. yehat2
        yehat2 22 July 2020 17: 36 New
        0
        it seems that I am not the only one who see that the project is, to put it mildly, crude.
        What problems do you still see? Personally, I think that there will be a problem with the quality of boats, and without them the UDC is useless.
    2. Potter
      Potter 22 July 2020 08: 20 New
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      The dock camera accepts 6 landing craft. If we assume that 2/3 of the helicopter fleet will be Ka-29, then DK and helicopters can land 400-500 people in one wave. A 100-mm universal weapon in the armament is understandable. This is the provision of air defense, this is the fire support of the landing. Finally, the mosquito fleet (combat boats) of one of the great maritime powers to scare away.
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 July 2020 08: 34 New
        +3
        Can you give a link? What boats and how many helicopters are there in the amphibious assault, how do you land the equipment?
        For the UDK, they usually plan an over-the-horizon landing, the ship is too expensive to drive close to the coast with the risk of getting under coastal fire.
        for this, helicopters and a docking camera with boats are placed, while the support of the landing force with a gun is impossible.
        And for air defense, 100 mm is not the best choice, as well as against the mosquito fleet.
        Better less caliber, but faster fire.
        1. sav
          sav 22 July 2020 08: 41 New
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          Quote: Avior
          Can you give a link? What boats and how many helicopters are there in the amphibious assault, how do you land the equipment?

          Nobody will give such data now. Some assumptions.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 22 July 2020 08: 52 New
        +5
        100mm is not needed for air defense. For, she is alone with unclear angles of fire. Again, this is not Trieste, where there are as many as 3 Melars, and in the air defense version with a wild rate of fire (130 in / m for Strales versus 80 for A190) with PFF shells (which Russia does not have, the damned Serdyukov did not have time to buy).




        In general, an additional Armor or a pack of Duets for completing is better for AA defense than the A190.

        For shelling. The shelling of a 100mm cannon will not impress even the Syrian broads. I’m already silent about the fact that upon reaching the line of opening fire, the ship will start responding from 122-155mm guns.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 22 July 2020 17: 42 New
          -1
          мне кажется, к проектированию УДК подошли как обычно - все напихали "чтобы было"
          And the fact that it should ideally perform its direct functions and, preferably, 50-60 years old, did not occur to anyone. Such a ship shouldn't go without an escort anyway - I don't understand why it should be fully armed. In my opinion, he only needs air defense systems, anti-boarding elements and anti-torpedo / anti-mine equipment + electronic warfare. I don't know what set of sensors is needed. In addition, all these additives should be made in the form of easily replaceable modules, preferably as vertical PU. And everything else - if there is nothing to shove, which of course never will. It would be better if additional premises for the landing and the command were made.
    3. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 22 July 2020 13: 20 New
      +3
      Проект ещё не завершён, это закладка в лучших российских традициях - "чтобы было". Так что пушки может и не быть потом.

      As for the landing craft - the dock camera will be there, like the boats, the question is in the landing helicopter - we do not produce them, before the Lamprey, even before China, with cancer.

      There is a strange thing - when these arguments were voiced by me in the press, one high-ranking comrade from the 1st Central Research Institute hinted that everything was not so clean with the UDC, and answers to questions about helicopters (and others) could be received in five years (for reasons secrecy).

      So here I would wait.

      But what is interesting is the GEM. We do not have an optimal power plant for such ships.
    4. bk0010
      bk0010 23 July 2020 12: 48 New
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      Quote: Avior
      The 100 mm gun on the UDC is a bit surprising, of course. Usually such ships are kept away from direct fire contact.
      And I would, on the contrary, prefer it to have all the weapons from 22350: hope for the retinue, but don't make a mistake yourself.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 July 2020 13: 24 New
        -2
        In the experience of other countries, this is not done.
        Probably for a variety of reasons.
        It takes up volume and weight to the detriment of its main purpose, interferes with each other's work, and makes the ship more expensive.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 23 July 2020 13: 35 New
          0
          Yes, it increases in price, yes it takes up space, but on the ship, which will be a priority target, there is a crew and a thousand paratroopers. And if the BDK, for example, is likely to be a one-time ship, then the UDC should not enter the zone of destruction of coastal means, they could have invested in it.
  3. Kail.kail
    Kail.kail 22 July 2020 07: 21 New
    -1
    And on the news they said that the bookmark of the Project 22350m frigate seemed to be like they wanted. xs who to believe. But the news is definitely good!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 July 2020 08: 19 New
      +6
      22350M - about as many versions as MiG-29M.

      In this case, we are talking about an improved version with an additional UKSK-8 - a total of 24 missiles of the strike complex.

      Project 22350M - which is SuperGorshkov, bigger, even more armed, etc. still in development.
      1. Rakovor
        Rakovor 22 July 2020 09: 47 New
        0
        Due to which they will shove 8 extra. cells? What will they donate or increase the size?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 22 July 2020 10: 07 New
          +2
          Due to the redistribution of the available volumes.
          1. Rakovor
            Rakovor 22 July 2020 10: 09 New
            +1
            Is there something to redistribute? For some reason I thought that for their displacement they were already stuffed with weapons to the very least. Well, if there is, then good.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 22 July 2020 10: 41 New
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          They said that most likely the size. Otherwise, it would have been possible to shove them on those under construction from the first four.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 22 July 2020 17: 44 New
            0
            ships should not only shoot while standing at the pier, but also serve.
            getting carried away with stuffing weapons is not always useful.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 22 July 2020 18: 33 New
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              The first 4 should and the next shouldn't or what?
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 22 July 2020 21: 24 New
                0
                what are the first 4 speech about?
                can you remember more about triremes? also type UDC)))
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 22 July 2020 21: 39 New
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                  what are the first 4 speech about?

                  The first 4 frigates 22350.
                  Gorshkov, Kassatonov, Golovko and Isakov.
                  We were talking about them.
                  This I mean that your comment about
                  ships should not only shoot while standing at the pier, but also serve.

                  Doesn't sound convincing at all.
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 22 July 2020 21: 40 New
                    0
                    we are not talking about armament not of corvettes and frigates, although this also partially concerns them.
                    speech about the armament of the UDC.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 22 July 2020 21: 49 New
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                      speech about the armament of the UDC.

                      Seriously? And if you still read the comments to which you answer?
                      .. said that the laying of the frigate of project 22350m ..

                      ... about an improved version with an additional UKSK-8 - a total of 24 missiles ..

                      Due to which they will shove 8 extra. cells? What will they donate or increase the size?

                      And so on ...
                  2. yehat2
                    yehat2 24 July 2020 12: 08 New
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                    have excesses been encouraged? What's so unconvincing?
                    Well, they will send Gorshkov, for example, to the Persian or Aden Gulf on patrols for a month. And what, he can handle it? Will he have enough autonomy to go on patrol without being overwhelmed?
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 24 July 2020 12: 45 New
                      -1
                      Well, they will send Gorshkov, for example, to the Persian or Aden Gulf on patrols for a month. And what, he can handle it?

                      Well, I seem to have coped with the circumnavigation.
                      1. yehat2
                        yehat2 24 July 2020 14: 47 New
                        0
                        you can sail around the world on a raft, the difference is in passing adventures.
                        to patrol the northern waters, ships are being created with the necessary level of comfort for the crew, but about our new frigates, I doubt that this is so.
                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 24 July 2020 14: 53 New
                        -1
                        Firstly, this ship is still primarily designed for those very northern waters.
                        Secondly, it has 30 days of autonomy.
                        Well, in the latter, who will send him on an autonomous voyage to the Gulf of Aden? Even the first ranks of the BOD went there, accompanied by a tanker, or they went to ports to replenish supplies (by the way, they have the same 30 days of autonomy).
                      3. alexmach
                        alexmach 24 July 2020 15: 01 New
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                        Ну и возвращаясь к теме. Ведь по-моему решение о добавлении ещё одной ПУ было принято в результате эксплуатации в том числе. Пришли к выводу, что 16 ракет маловато для многоцелевого корабля. Их же не просто так туда "засунули" ибо так захотели. Коллеги вот считают что для этого секцию дополнительную в корпус добавили.

                        And last but not least, of all the variety of ships that are currently being built for the Navy, 22350 looks the most balanced and most capable of performing the tasks for which it is intended. Perhaps we do not know something there, but criticizing him and the decisions related to his armament against the background of the presence of everything else looks somehow strange.
  • ares1988
    ares1988 22 July 2020 07: 37 New
    +2
    The 2nd four Gorshkovs have 24 uvp for calibers.
  • sav
    sav 22 July 2020 08: 45 New
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    Now it is possible to conclude a contract with ASZ according to project 20380. BMZ also needs to be saturated.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 July 2020 10: 06 New
    -3
    Good news, the chicken is pecking by the grain, and then six at once.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 22 July 2020 10: 27 New
    +3
    The day is very important, ships were laid down very necessary for the fleet.
    In the article, I was very surprised by the prioritization .. Why on earth are Ash trees second in importance, and UDC first, I would put them in third place after Ash trees and after Frigates.
    The third ship, Admiral Golovko, is currently being tested.

    What other tests then? It is being completed afloat, it was only recently launched.
    Armament: one 100-millimeter gun A-190, three anti-aircraft missile-artillery systems "Palash", two anti-aircraft missile systems "Pantsir-ME".

    A very curious set.
  • Vlad Malkin
    Vlad Malkin 22 July 2020 11: 16 New
    +1
    In fact, frigates with 24 launchers should have been laid, not sixteen!
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 22 July 2020 11: 56 New
      0
      Yes, on the new 3 UKSK-8
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 22 July 2020 11: 55 New
    -1
    Хе-х, проще было бы сухогруз новопостроенный "охалзанить"
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 July 2020 15: 07 New
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      Quote: Bersaglieri
      Хе-х, проще было бы сухогруз новопостроенный "охалзанить"

      И опять повторится история "Халзана": smile
      - a ship based on a civilian project will not pass due to non-compliance with the requirements of the Navy for survivability and security;
      - a ship on which these requirements are met at least in the minimum volume will have very little in common with the civil progenitor;
      - The Navy wants a special-purpose ship, on which all requirements will be met in full.
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 22 July 2020 15: 39 New
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        А УДК России вообще не нужен- разве Родина "дипломатию канонерок" ведет? Вот для "экспрессов" и "пираторазгона" "халзаноподобие"- идеально. Так что тот, кто поставил "минус"- не понимает задач :)
  • Undecim
    Undecim 22 July 2020 13: 15 New
    +6
    However, it is worth repeating, the laying of six powerful modern ships at once is a new milestone in the history of the Russian fleet. Their commissioning will significantly strengthen the potential of the Navy.
    The site is increasingly slipping into the agitation and propaganda side. puffing panfares and knocking tulumbases.
    By itself, the laying of ships does not strengthen the potential of the Navy, even if it is carried out with great fanfare and with the participation of the tsar and his retinue.
    The potential of the fleet is determined by the active ships.
  • Beregovic_1
    Beregovic_1 22 July 2020 20: 24 New
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    I’m wondering, who told the author about the change in the armament composition of the 885m project compared to the 885? Author, spit in the face of the source. 10 and 32 vpu. All.
  • arkadiyssk
    arkadiyssk 22 July 2020 22: 54 New
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    Where did the author of the fantasy get that 22350 with a displacement of 5400 tons? From the fact that some rag fantasized about 5400, he no longer became, although he really wants to reach the first rank of the classic second rank, because they die gradually, and there is nothing to fully replace their tasks, seaworthiness is not the same. The official website of the Northern Shipyard gives 22350 - a total displacement of 4500 tons. http://www.ru.nordsy.spb.ru/products-and-services/navyn/. Let's not lie to ourselves at least in such things, but the enemy intelligence services have already counted everything exactly.
    1. Beregovic_1
      Beregovic_1 23 July 2020 01: 09 New
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      Length x width x draft x coefficient of fullness about 0.5. It turns out 5.5 kilotons
      1. arkadiyssk
        arkadiyssk 23 July 2020 07: 39 New
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        It is strange that such a calculation was obtained by the Internet chela and not by the MANUFACTURER! Here is a quote from their website: The total displacement of the ship is 4500 tons. Designed for warfare in the far sea zone. Full speed - up to 29 knots
        Yes, even if in your way: 135x16x4.5 * 0.5 = 4860 Obviously not 5400.
        .. to take the length of the ship by the bow, and not by the design waterline, such a thing ... As a result, it is called - to adjust the result to the dream.
        1. Beregovic_1
          Beregovic_1 23 July 2020 22: 10 New
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          And who considered it, is this displacement? In addition, you have calculated the draft without the bulb. Yes, and I estimated the coefficient of completeness to be about 0.5. The ship midships has an almost square hull. It is more appropriate to consider 0.6. Honestly, the results were calculated before me at the maritime forum. They got about 6 kilotons there.
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 21 September 2020 17: 50 New
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    "Новый русский флот" -название громкое,но сколько лет они будут строится и сколько будет списано(или точнее условно состоять ) из действующего флота аналогичных(по вооружению,возможностям) кораблей.Если судить по царскому режиму ,то этот набор заложенных кораблей даже на эскадру не тянет."Эскадра Флота морских сил России, на 1914 год, состояла из дивизии линейных кораблей (8 кораблей), бригады броненосных крейсеров (4 крейсера), дивизии крейсеров (8 крейсеров), дивизии эскадренных миноносцев (36 миноносцев и один крейсер) и вспомогательных судов"