In Turkey, 50 generals are immediately biased.

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In Turkey, 50 generals are immediately biased.In the leadership of the army of Turkey passed mass dismissal. The Supreme Military Council, which includes officials of the country, which is responsible for personnel issues in the armed forces, sent to retire 56 generals and admirals. The official wording is “no job promotion.” However, among the dismissed - 40 military leaders arrested on suspicion of preparing a coup. The general's sweep demonstrates that the Turkish army is gradually losing ground to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who represents the moderate Islamist Justice Party, reports Newspaper "New News".

Mass resignation was almost a special operation. The two-day meeting of the Supreme Military Council, chaired by Prime Minister Erdogan, ended on Friday. However, journalists learned about the personnel decision made on it only on Saturday, when it entered into force after the signature of President Abdullah Gul. The official reason for the resignations is the need to reduce staff. One officer is fired due to his retirement age. At the same time, by the decision of the Supreme Military Council, the titles 29 were given to generals and admirals, 47 colonels were assigned the rank of generals and admirals, 33 generals and admirals extended for a year service in the army.

A significant part of those who were dismissed are the participants of military coups who are under investigation, of which there were only three years from 1960 to 1980. So, last week in the country began the trial of two elderly retired generals who are accused of organizing a military coup 1980 of the year. In April 2012, several dozen retired officers, including four generals, were arrested on suspicion of organizing a change of power in 1997. Then, although the military did not take control of the country, the government of Necmettin Erbakan was forced to resign, which was loyal to strengthening religious sentiments in Turkish society. Erdogan’s supporters believe that the army was trying to change the current Prime Minister at least twice, in 2004 and 2008. They claim that the last such coup was being prepared by the secret organization Ergenekon, which consisted mainly of the military. On the sensational criminal case of this organization are about 400 people.

“From the side of Erdogan, this mass resignation is, of course, a very risky step,” said YI, senior researcher at the Center for Euro-Atlantic Security at MGIMO, Julia Kudryashova. - The Prime Minister went to him, apparently because he is aware of his strength. But it would be a mistake to assume that in the confrontation of the government and the army, the military suffered a complete defeat. " The expert notes that the armed forces are still very strong position. “Ataturk’s authority in society is still high, including among young people,” Ms. Kudryashova notes, “and the army is perceived as the heiress of his ideas, as a guardian of the secular foundations of the state. In addition, the military maintains extensive international relations, both through NATO and business - trade. weapons. And this is also important. "
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    1. +4
      6 August 2012 06: 42
      Probably, everything is interconnected with the last trip to Moscow and after a conversation with Putin, where he put the whole situation in the region on the shelves, and the fact that the amers do not spare their partners in solving their selfish issues ..
      1. Yarbay
        +1
        6 August 2012 07: 28
        Dear Sirs!
        The third day I read this * news * and at a loss!
        The feeling is that those who give this news are not at all aware of the laws and rules that exist in Turkey!
        Every year, dozens of generals and senior officers are dismissed and announce this, nothing supernatural and extraordinary happened!
        Where did the wording come from - ** “lack of vacancies for career advancement **, I constantly read the Turkish media and watch TV, I haven’t seen this anywhere!”
        Newly appointed posts!
        Assigned to a number of officers the rank of general, among those who received this general rank there is a person under investigation!
        This is a regular personnel rotation in Turkey, ANNUAL!
        1. +5
          6 August 2012 07: 58
          You seem to know what you're talking about.
          1. Yarbay
            +4
            6 August 2012 08: 27
            Dear Victor!
            The fact is that all the appointments and assignments of senior ranks, dismissals in the competence of the Supreme Military Council of Turkey!
            to all the highest military posts from the chief of the general staff, commanding the arms of the armed forces to the commander of the division and corps inclusively, they are appointed for TWO years, that is, no one has been in these positions for more than two years!
            There are certain traditions, for example, everyone knows that the commander of the ground forces, if something unusual happens, will become the chief of the general staff in two years, the commander of the 1st field army will become the commander of the ground forces and so on!
            Last year, a major event took place: the general appointed to the post of chief of the general staff, if I am not mistaken, Koshaner and all the commanders of the military branches who didn’t really take up the post resigned in protest of the military prosecution and the only one among the commanders who did not was the gendarmerie commander ( BB) General Ozkok, and he was appointed chief of the general staff!
            That was an event, demarche!
            There such a system once every two years, the main destination!
            And they annually make dismissals and appointments that are usual in age at the Supreme Council, and some have extended their service life!
            There, in full information of the Supreme Military Council, there are generals who have extended the term of resignation for a year, there is an age qualification!
            And all this is widely covered and nothing supernatural has happened for Turkey!
            1. +1
              6 August 2012 09: 35
              Since you are in the know about Turkey, what are your assumptions in the context of Turkey-Syria-Russia-NATO? Those. I see Turkey’s participation in Syria as one of the key ones and that this could develop into a clash between the armed forces of these countries, possibly with the Russian contingent near Tartus. It is also not clear how the situation with the Kurds could turn out. Your opinion is interesting. And then something I have a gloomy vision, is there really no chance that Turkey will turn around a bit from NATO? It seems that recently Turkey’s interest in the Customs Union flashed in the news, correct.
              1. Yarbay
                0
                6 August 2012 10: 30
                Dear Victor!
                Look, almost all Western countries and Arab leagues themselves removed their diplomatic missions before the events in Syria and didn’t easily remove them, but curtailed their activities and bilateral relations and said that Assad would not have diplomatic relations in power!
                This suggests that the bridges were burned and the only salvation for Assad is the deployment of Iranian or Russian troops like Bahrain where the Saudis sent troops!
                But everyone understands that this can lead to a big war and do not!
                Turkey is very strongly connected with NATO and I don’t think that in the coming years there may be discontent between them! Turkish representatives are represented at the highest level in the NATO military command and it suits them!
                Turkey has already made a decision with Syria, and it will go all the way to preserve its image! If Erdogan changes his position, the opposition will seize him!
                He’s been ridiculed now because of Obama’s pictures with a bat in his hands!
                And in general, there were a lot of stocks in foreign policy!
                Erdogan helps out the economy!
                As for the relationship with Russia, it seems that they are sparking, especially in economic matters, and in the military-political among the people there is a large percentage of people who distrust Russia, as in Turkey, Russia! (Of course, historical events and wars are the basis here!
                That is, they can go to economic unions, but I don’t believe in military-political !!
                1. +1
                  6 August 2012 10: 45
                  Those. most likely protracted terrorist activities in Syria, or will there still be interest? Thanks for the previous answer.
                  1. Yarbay
                    -1
                    6 August 2012 11: 14
                    Victor!
                    I am convinced that in the West they decided to achieve the destruction of the Assad regime by the hands of Arabs under the dressing of a war of liberation!
                    The Arab world is now full of scumbags who are ready for anything for money!
                    All sorts of Alkaids, lawless people and the like arming send them there, the good of this cannon fuss is heaped!
                    The Turks will intervene in one case if they see the threat of creating a Kurdish state in this territory connected with the PKK and then this will certainly be a limited operation!
                    You see, even though the military are silent and show their readiness to fulfill any order, it seems that the Erdogan government is afraid of fraud!
                    the government is afraid that there could be staged defeats or a deafening victory, and in either case, the military will collect the dividends!
                    1. -1
                      6 August 2012 14: 14
                      You somehow really think Arabs as independent. And they have ambitions. Both Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And in Turkey, in which the ideas of neo-Ottomanism are strong, too.
                      1. Yarbay
                        -1
                        6 August 2012 14: 50
                        Quote: Pimply

                        You somehow really think Arabs as independent. And they have ambitions. Both Qatar and Saudi Arabia. And in Turkey, in which the ideas of neo-Ottomanism are strong, too.

                        No, you inattentively read both Saudis and Qatar deep in your pocket in the West and cannot be independent!
                        These are the media, especially the Israeli and Western ones, trying to tell us that everything has changed and they have ambitions !!
                        Turkey is the same as quarreling with Israel, it turns out she had ideas of neotomanism !!
                        In Turkey, Ataturk's ideas are still the most popular and out of competition !!
                        These are the ideas of the savior of the nation and the winner!
                        my advice is read less Israeli newspapers!
                        1. -1
                          6 August 2012 16: 57
                          Yes, they are not deep in the pocket of the West. There is such a term - symbiosis. Mutually beneficial cooperation. That does not negate the independence of decisions. The Saudis and Qatar, snatching the flag of primacy from each other, are building a new Sunni caliphate. And the States here have to lag more in the tail so as not to lose the initiative, because the "allies" are very young guys with a temper.

                          In Turkey, the topic of neotomanism has gone long ago. They had attempts to follow the European path - but Europe showed them clearly and visually: "You can't come to us." And the Turks began to change their policy abruptly. If you really followed the situation over the past 10 years, you would see it very well.
                        2. Yarbay
                          -2
                          6 August 2012 17: 05
                          Nothing has changed in Turkey!
                          This is all talk!
                          As they strove in Europe to strive, only the ardor cooled down !!
                          And the policy on the Arab countries is compelled proceeding from those events which occur!
                          Turkey, being one of the regional players, cannot be aloof from events!
                          So Pimply do not drive the blizzard!
                          And about Qatar and the Saudis, you generally say nonsense!
                          The Saudis have nothing to do with the Sunnis, among other things, like the small Qatar!
                          And without the support of the West and the USA, they don’t dare to utter a laugh !!
                          Caliphatists * great * and * independent * host US bases and beg them not to leave !!)))))
                          Without US bases, in their territory in a day, the Saudis and Qatar will become sweet, peaceful countries, ready to share all their wealth!
                          So read less on western gazettes!
                        3. -1
                          6 August 2012 17: 11
                          They are seeking in Europe by inertia. But to regain the position lost at the beginning of the 20 century is completely conscious.

                          Tell me, what side do the Saudis and Qatar have no relation to the Sunnis? Explain?
                        4. Yarbay
                          -2
                          6 August 2012 17: 17
                          Dear Pimpy!
                          Saudis - Wahhabis, as well as the leadership of Qatar!
                          And the Wahhabis not only have nothing in common with the Sunnis, but in general they have nothing with Islam!
                          They can pretend to spread Wahhabism, but by no means to unite Muslims !!
                          About aspirations to regain position at the beginning of the 20th century, nonsense!
                          the idea is bigger after a quarrel with Turkey, thrown into the world media by Israel!
                          And Europe remains the number one goal for any government in Turkey !!
                          Read speeches of politicians, comments of famous Turkish political scientists !!
                          Although sometimes, through the lips of small diplomats and political scientists, they blackmail Europe, saying that we will go a different way!
                        5. +1
                          6 August 2012 17: 30
                          Which does not cancel their adherence to Sunni Islam, and the desire to lure most Sunnis to their interpretation of Islam, right?

                          Naturally, the goal remains - such a market, and potential growth. But the goal is unrealistic. Because populism, a sharp change in rhetoric - and much more.
                        6. Yarbay
                          -3
                          6 August 2012 17: 35
                          Pimpy!
                          The Saudis-Wahhabis do not have a commitment to Sunni Islam !!!!!!
                          Not one of the main Sunni madhhabs has anything to do with Wahhabism, I ask you not to write that which you do not know or are rumored to know !!
                          The desire to lure is, in this you are right !!
                          I don’t argue about the last two lines either !!
                        7. -1
                          6 August 2012 17: 41
                          As we do not call the rose, it will also smell under a different name. Officially, this is Sunnism. The fact that this is extremely radical Sunnism is on the verge of retreat - yes. But nonetheless. And it should be noted - this interpretation is gaining more and more popularity.
                        8. Yarbay
                          -3
                          6 August 2012 18: 05
                          Quote: Pimply
                          As we do not call the rose, it will also smell under a different name.

                          This is Wahhabism!
                          AND DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING COMMON TO SUNISM !!
                          this is again your aggressive Israeli propaganda!
        2. +4
          6 August 2012 08: 31
          Dear Alibek. It is interesting - how many generals are there in Turkey, if 56 generals roll out ANNUALLY?
          1. Yarbay
            0
            6 August 2012 08: 40
            Dear Tang!
            In order for you to understand me, I will give you more complete information, and not the half-information that we are reading now!

            By the decision of the Supreme Military Council of Turkey, 56 generals and admirals were dismissed. According to 1news.az with reference to Haberturk, the decisions of the council were published on the website of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces. The decisions will enter into force on August 30. By decision of the council, the ranks of 29 generals and admirals were raised, 47 colonels were awarded the ranks of generals and admirals, 33 generals and admirals were extended for a year in the army. 56 generals and admirals were dismissed due to the expiration of their term of office. By another decision of the council, Colonel Galib Mendi was assigned the rank of general, and he was appointed commander of the 2nd Army. The Council rejected the request to expel General Nusret Tashdeler from the Supreme Military Council, in respect of whom a decision was made on the arrest.

            Details: http://www.1news.az/region/20120804063143553.html
            Pay attention to those dismissed before August 30 will SERVE!
            That is, if they would be removed on charges, would they leave before the 30th to serve ???
            and the arrested general remains a member of the HIGH MILITARY COUNCIL !!
            THIS IS HAPPENING ANNUALLY ORDINARY ROTATION !!
        3. bremest
          0
          6 August 2012 10: 24
          You are perplexed, but the bloody dictator Recep Tayyip Erdogan, under the dictation of Western intelligence agencies, is conducting a sweeping operation in the country.

          Here read and understand everything.
          http://bs-kavkaz.org/2012/05/gander-tajnaya-vojna-v-turcii-i/
        4. -1
          6 August 2012 12: 56
          Yes, the resignation of 50 generals with arrests is an ordinary event .. you think what garbage ...
        5. -1
          6 August 2012 14: 12
          There is a different situation, dear. There is a confrontation between Erdogan, who is trying to squeeze the army, and the army, which at one time actively infringed on the Islamists and returned the country on the way of Ataturk. While Erdogan wins, he exchanges the old elite for his people.
          1. Yarbay
            -2
            6 August 2012 14: 46
            You are deeply mistaken Pimply!
            I know the Turkish army!
            There are no supporters of Erdogan or any other politician there ,!
            These are fairy tales!
            The Turkish Army is a single and completely independent from political parties organism!
            It is impossible to change the elite of the military there!
            Young officers are even more conservative, aggressive, and secularists than generals !!
            They all understand that they have achieved all that they have achieved thanks to the secular system!
            You live by rumors!
            1. 0
              6 August 2012 17: 20
              Well, take, for example, Nadzhet Ozel, the former chief of the gendarmerie, and now the head of the General Staff, who saved Erdogan from the assassination attempt, carried out a purge in his ranks, and, according to some information, the person is very close to the prime minister.
              1. Yarbay
                -3
                6 August 2012 17: 26
                Quote: Pimply
                Well, let's take, for example, Nadzhet Ozel, the former chief of the gendarmerie, and now the head of the General Staff, who saved Erdogan from the assassination attempt, carried out a purge in his ranks, and, according to some information, the people are very close to the prime minister

                These are rumors !!
                He didn’t save anyone; he didn’t carry out any cleaning !!
                And he has the same attitude to the Prime Minister as the others !!
                there is no chief of the gendarmerie!
                There the commander of the gendarmerie, this is a branch of the army, type (BB)
                He became the chief of the general staff as a result of long negotiations!
                It’s just that the yellow press also began to write about it after all the commanders of the military branches and the chief of the general staff resigned last year, but he didn’t !!
                But this was clearly stated so that he did not resign, he was recommended by the Supreme Military Council!
                1. -1
                  6 August 2012 17: 39
                  Yes?
                  Your affairs are wonderful, Lord! It is evident that in Turkish newspapers all publications are lying, as one.

                  Well and so - a good analysis of that situation.
                  http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/08/04/meyer/
                  1. Yarbay
                    -2
                    6 August 2012 17: 45
                    Pimpled well do not tell me how long the tape. ru Turkish edition?))))))))))))
                    And judging by the name and surname * of the expert * of Turkey Mikhail Meyer, he is a thoroughbred
                    Turks and * big * specialist in Turkey))))
                    Well, do not put yourself in the place !!
                    In his analysis, the truth is funny with a lie, which is why it is interesting to read!
                  2. Yarbay
                    -2
                    6 August 2012 18: 04
                    Where in the link you indicated about the salvation of Erdogan, the commander of the gendarmerie ??
                    Where, about the fact that Turkey does not seek Europe?
                    Where is that among the military there are many supporters of Erdogan !?
                    You even inattentively read what you advise!
                    There is a lot of common sense in your link, but there are nonsense and rumors!
                    1. +1
                      10 August 2012 03: 50
                      And what - are you too lazy to get Turkish resources?
        6. Neutral
          -4
          6 August 2012 22: 42
          Ankara refutes information about the arrest of a Turkish general in Syria

          A spokesman for the Turkish Foreign Ministry, Selchuk Unal, denied reports circulated by Iranian media sources that a Turkish army general had been arrested while helping rebels in the Syrian city of Aleppo.

          The Turkish Foreign Ministry issued an official statement refuting this information, which also noted that Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi had a telephone conversation with his Turkish counterpart and asked for help in the release of 48 Iranians kidnapped the day before in Syria. Ahmet Davutoglu promised to make efforts in this direction.

          Recall that the vice-chairman of the Commission on National Security and Foreign Policy of the Islamic Majlis of Iran, Mansour Hakikat-pur, said that Turkey should be responsible for the activities of the Turkish general arrested in Syria. "Turkey does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Syria, therefore, Ankara must give an answer as to the purpose of developing what activities the Turkish general was sent to Syria"He said.

          "Dear" albay-oglu. So what was the Turkish general doing there?
      2. +1
        6 August 2012 08: 36
        And requests to accept Turkey in the SCO
      3. beech
        +2
        6 August 2012 09: 44
        we wouldn’t be bothered by such a cleaning !!!
        1. +3
          6 August 2012 09: 51
          Maybe there are enough fat asses in the army, but there are professionals too, and if the general is like an conscript, then we will fight like the Turkish army (that is, we will shred everything we can from the conquests of our ancestors).
        2. bremest
          +1
          6 August 2012 11: 49
          I agree with you, but without prompts from Western intelligence agencies and start with Taburetkin and Makarych ....
    2. rinzhak
      +2
      6 August 2012 06: 42
      one gets the impression that Mr. Gul has been spending the last weeks at his post.
      The wave of revolution will soon reach Turkey ...
    3. +7
      6 August 2012 07: 08
      After carefully reading the information, I came to the conclusion that the answer lies in the info itself. Quotes from the info

      1. A significant part of the dismissed are under investigation participants in military coups, whom only 1960 by 1980 there were three years in the country.
      2. The military ..... forced the resignation of the government of Nejmettin Erbakan, who loyal to strengthening religious sentiment in Turkish society.
      3 ..................... the army is perceived as the heiress of his ideas, as the guardian of the secular foundations of the state.

      and considering that Erdogan is a moderate Islamist and Erbakan was his protege,Erdogan is ahead of the curve
      1. -1
        6 August 2012 14: 16
        Erdogan has been ahead of the scenes for several years. He had already arrested or fired hundreds of high-ranking military men, and placed his people in key posts.
        1. Yarbay
          -1
          6 August 2012 15: 00
          Pimply do not be silly !!
          Who are his people ??
          Where are they from ???
          In the military environment, even replanting a thousand, it’s still a special caste !!
          And Erdogan and everyone perfectly understand this !!
          The military is not brought up in the imam khatibah!
          1. -1
            6 August 2012 17: 25
            So a thousand have already been transplanted. Actively push forward middle and junior officers, a new generation that grew in ranks under him, and which shares ideas, people from related structures, etc. From the 2008 year, they began to actively arrest and imprison generals. Among those arrested are General Nusret Taschleder, who commanded the training corps of the Turkish army, former Secretary of the National Security Council General Tuncher Kılınç, former commander of the Air Force General Ibrahim Firtin, former head of military intelligence General Ismail Beijing, former commander of the Navy, Admiral Ozden Ornek, retired admirals Ahmet Feyyaz Ogutchu Lutfi Sankar.
            1. Yarbay
              -3
              6 August 2012 18: 09
              So pimply you carefully read me!
              Am I arguing that they were not arrested ??
              All these arrests cannot change the main thing, the ARMY is a special caste and its path cannot be changed by these methods in Turkey!
              It is worth the West and the United States to tell the military and Erdogan will be in a separate prison !!
              And since Erdogan’s America’s project as well as the Alkaeda and others, there’s no front team yet!
              Erdogan has not yet fully completed the tasks set by the United States!
              1. 0
                10 August 2012 03: 50
                The army is a special caste that loses its influence greatly
    4. +4
      6 August 2012 07: 13
      The Turkish army is now not up to Syria.
      1. wolverine7778
        +2
        6 August 2012 08: 46
        Or maybe with accuracy and vice versa, usually when one officer (maybe even not decisive) can not complete the assigned combat mission, he will be replaced by an officer who is quicker, and he will do as necessary for the high command. What has the Turkish army, in addition to military exercises on the border with Syria and hints of Assad about his overthrow, have done so far? Nothing. Saudi Arabia and the United States are now demanding that Erdogan, as never before, more courageous actions from Turkey to help overthrow Assad, otherwise Erdogan could be replaced by someone more smart winked
    5. Yarbay
      0
      6 August 2012 07: 33
      “Ataturk’s authority in society is still high, including among young people,” said Ms. Kudryashova, “and the army is perceived as the heir to his ideas, as the guardian of the secular foundations of the state. In addition, the military maintains extensive international ties, both through NATO and through the business of arms trade. And this is also important. ”- That's right!
      I am convinced that all coups in Turkey were made with the submission of NATO and the United States!
      The military is silent, because they are restrained by forces from outside !!
      Erdogan is an American project!
      If the military would like, that is, would have received good from NATO, then in a couple of hours they would have ousted this government!
      1. -2
        6 August 2012 14: 17
        Erdogan is a purely Turkish project. Change of mood in society, dissatisfaction with old elites, strengthening of Islamic sentiments
        1. Yarbay
          -3
          6 August 2012 14: 54
          Well, yes, you in Israel see better than us))))))))) ???
          You would like it to be a purely Turkish project !!)))
          Purely Turkish military projects suppressed and will be suppressed INSTANTLY !!
          Be more serious !!
          If Erdogan was a purely Turkish project, you would already be in prison and repent of your actions!
          1. -1
            6 August 2012 17: 27
            Yes, they will not suppress. Because they missed the moment. There is a struggle between old and new elites in society. And the election confirms that the majority supports Erdogan's party. Erdogan waited a long time. And when the young officers grew up in ranks, the formation of a career which fell on his board - dealt a blow.
            1. Yarbay
              -3
              6 August 2012 18: 36
              Pimpy!
              Among you there are really stubborn people like you and the professor who, knowing or not knowing the subject matter, are arguing!
              The military with a team from the United States will strangle Erdogan as a blind kitten INSTANTLY !!
              There is no support for him in the army and no elite struggle in the army!
              I repeat this is a single organism!
              As for Erdogan, he waited a long time, also your speculations of Israeli * specialists *, and when they grew up .... WRONG!
              The fate of the young, old ranks and their career are decided solely by the military, and not Erdogan or some kind of official !!
              And at least they would read their link on this subject))
              Before writing on this topic, read the materiel!
              And she is one Turkish army, a completely independent body and the elite of Turkish society !!
    6. itr
      +2
      6 August 2012 07: 37
      Syria is at hand
    7. +3
      6 August 2012 07: 44
      LATERAL !!!

      1. Change of commanding staff and turbulence in the Turkish army.
      2. An attack by Kurdish militants on Turkish border guards in the last couple of days.
      3. Lack of news on TV from Syria. I mean, nothing interesting.

      Turkey, you "Barboriska". Enjoy it bye! For this is good!
    8. +9
      6 August 2012 07: 45
      There is such a proverb: every state in the world has its own army, and only one army has its own state - this is Turkey. Since the days of Kamal Atatruk, almost all power was in the hands of the military, which did not allow Turkey to slide into strong Islamism. It seems that the military is getting harder and harder, it’s not good.
    9. +1
      6 August 2012 07: 53
      37 year some ..., it seems Turkey will flare up soon ..., the Kurds intensified
    10. DIMS
      +2
      6 August 2012 08: 00
      The next step towards the Islamization of the region
    11. patriot2
      +1
      6 August 2012 08: 54
      Then a thought slipped through about the removal of Erdogan's government in a couple of hours by the army, if NATO had given it the command "face".
      I think this is the truth, but if this happens, then Turkey will have a cleaner mess than in Libya and Egypt, because Turkish youth is quite progressive and Islamic radicalism is not in fashion here.
      Therefore, Nata will not give such a command to the Turkish army, and then Nate will have to solve the Kurdish issue with her own little hands. And this is again unforeseen expenses in six-digit figures.
      1. Yarbay
        +2
        6 August 2012 09: 02
        Dear Nikolai!
        The Terets army has experience of coups and I assure you that they will not meet with any special organized resistance, and if they meet they will be crushed as soon as possible because the authority among the population is huge!
        The face team is not given because, as I wrote above, Erdogan is a US project and has not yet done everything that he has to do !!
        But the Kurdish question was and is, and on this issue I also have a special opinion !!
        1. Goga
          +6
          6 August 2012 09: 17
          Yrbay - Greetings, Alibek! In the article, the facts are taken out of context, you correctly wrote - everything happens in a planned manner, perhaps (even for sure) - those who have extended their service are more loyal to the prime minister, and those generals who have doubts about their loyalty have not been extended. Such actions take place regularly in Turkey and to attach excessive importance to this would be a mistake. And the poor fellow Kurds who just did not speculate - both the British and Hitler and Stalin, etc., as it so happened that the Kurds are always like a bargaining chip in someone else's game request
          1. +2
            6 August 2012 10: 13
            Gog, we rephrase a little, who just did not ignore, the Kurdish question - and the British and Hitler and Stalin. The rule of the Sunni minority in Iraq (yes, throughout the entire Vostok) - the English project, the sheikhs power, the British oil, Atatürk - the freemason, his senior comrades from European lodges (the execution of decisions by the members of the fraternity is mandatory), retained his power in exchange for control of the Bosphorus passage and allowed for the preservation of the state to cleanse the Greeks and Armenians, and the Kurdish issue was not even considered. But now Total has made a deal with Iraqi Kurdistan and a single Kurdish state, having the opportunity to put a millionth army under arms, but also having an economic component, has become not only real, but also inevitable. Moreover, the Kurds needed the NATO troops to defeat Iraq, but they are also necessary for the subsequent defeat and dismemberment of Iran. Ataturk Turkey, as a project, for the West is losing its relevance and is replaced by the Kurdistan project.
          2. Yarbay
            0
            6 August 2012 10: 38
            Dear Igor, good afternoon!
            You have not been seen for a long time!
            Are you all right?
            The first time I read this info in Regnum I did not pay attention, then I asked the owners of the site and everything fell into place!
            It seems to me that this is an element of the information war, but I don’t understand who it is intended for?
            to fool the Russian reader ??
            instead of deceiving the enemy we deceive ourselves ??
            As for the Kurds, from the beginning of the Iraqi wars they were no longer pawns in the Britons chess game, but between a pawn and a piece!
            I am sure if they can officially proclaim a state in Iraq, they will become a figure!
            Being used by different states at different times, they gained enough connections and experience!
            1. Goga
              +3
              6 August 2012 14: 22
              Yrbay - Alibek, thanks for the trouble, everything is fine with me, I'm just an engineer. the builder, and now the season is not like going to the site - it’s not always possible to sleep normally, but it’s good - it would be worse to sit without work.
              The article is really unknown to what, for provocation it is rather weak, but simply as information it is extremely incomplete, which means it is unreliable, so, "about nothing" ... And with the Kurds, the question is not quite obvious - the "puppeteers" are holding the Kurds like a stone in their bosom - against Iran and Turkey, Syria for some time managed to knock out this trump card, giving their Kurds maximum autonomy, but for how long it is unknown. Yes, and the Kurds themselves do not have unity, so here the card will fall: Now the “West” needs the Iraqi Kurds - they conclude contracts with them and endow them with statehood ... but the situation is changing quickly and the option is not ruled out that the current “friends” of the Kurds will merge them, to please their interests, as has happened more than once over the past 100 years. I think it is simply impossible to predict the development of the "Kurdish question".
              Sincerely, Igor drinks
      2. -3
        6 August 2012 14: 21
        Well, here's how to say it. There was 4 a bloodless coup when the military returned the country to secular rails. But taking into account how Erdogan is active ... He will either put everyone in prison, and the country will finally turn on Islamic tracks, or they will specifically put him in
        1. Yarbay
          -2
          6 August 2012 14: 58
          Pimpy see you are not at all up to date!
          There were various reasons for the coups!
          Only one half-turn was associated with the return to the so-called * light rails * ??
          Then they didn’t even have time to think to turn off secular rails !!
          While the Americans support Erdogan nothing will happen to him!
    12. albanec
      +3
      6 August 2012 09: 38
      If in Turkey it is customary to dismiss generals every two years and appoint new ones to these posts, the question arises of the professionalism of the Turkish army. A year of adaptation in a new position another year to the work itself and op! resignation! Personally, I think this is somehow not rational smile
      1. Yarbay
        0
        6 August 2012 10: 47
        I’ll try to explain to you the Albanian!
        This does not mean that after being appointed general, two years later you quit!
        Every year whose age reaches a certain he is fired and they usually accumulate in a year of 30, 40 generals!
        Someone is given a new title and the service time is extended automatically, someone is extended by the High Council for a year !!
        The chief of the General Staff and the commanders of military branches are two-year posts; they can only sit there in the event of war, or their special service life can be extended by a special decree of the President and the military council!
        After the resignation of the chief of the general staff, transfers and appointments are already underway automatically!
        As I noted above, the commander of the ground forces becomes the chief of the general staff, the commander of the first field army in his place, the commander of the second army in the place of the commander of the first army!
        In the Navy and in the Air Force is also similar!
        They don’t need such adaptation there, the officers are very disciplined and united !!
        and the term of two years for senior positions, as far as I heard, is connected with the fact that no one has the idea of ​​usurping power and that there is no personal gain and attempts to bring close people to the posts !!
        In principle, in many respects, thanks to these and other traditions, principles and rules, the army is in many ways the only structure that Turkey has not been accused of corruption and respected !!
    13. patriot2
      +2
      6 August 2012 10: 07
      albanec, East is a delicate matter, dear YarbayYou will be told how this is happening, especially Turkey and its Erdogan - the "US project".
    14. bremest
      +3
      6 August 2012 10: 26
      I’m what I think ... If Turkey has transferred MANPADS to Syrian terrorists, then B. Assad has every right to transfer an even greater number of MANPADS to Kurdish freedom fighters.
      Turkey comes to you with democracy in the Arab spring .......

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