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Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" showed a photo of the new CJSC "Malva"

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Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" showed a photo of the new CJSC "Malva"

A photo of a new self-propelled gun "Malva" on a wheeled chassis has appeared in the Russian media. The image was provided by the Central Research Institute "Petrel", leading the development of a new artillery gun in the framework of the R & D "Sketch".


The first image of SAO 2C43 "Malva" (figure) appeared in mid-October last year. At the same time, the first information about the new wheelbase artillery was announced. As reported, the 152-mm 2A64 cannon used in the Msta-S self-propelled guns is used as a firing component at Malva. It is possible to install an upgraded version of this gun, but the data is not available due to the secrecy of the development. Also, the developer has not yet disclosed the characteristics of the new complex.

The presence in the new CAO of elements of already produced artillery systems will significantly reduce the cost of mass production of the Malva and will facilitate its development in the troops if this novelty is adopted by the Russian army. It should be noted here that wheeled artillery systems are not widely used in Russia, while in the West this technique is very popular.

The Malva chassis is the BAZ-6010-027 all-terrain vehicle with an 8x8 wheel arrangement manufactured by the Bryansk Automobile Plant, and not the Belarusian MZKT tractor, traditionally used in the Russian army as a platform for placing various weapons. As stated, the use of a Russian all-terrain vehicle with a high cross-country ability and reliability as a chassis will allow the Russian army to get rid of foreign components in military equipment, which greatly simplifies operation.

As previously reported, in the framework of the R&D project “Sketch” a whole flower garden is being developed, which, in addition to “Mallow”, includes 120-mm Flook SAO on the Ural-VV chassis, 120 mm Arctic Magnolia self-propelled guns on the chassis of a two-link tractor DT-30MP and 82-mm mortar "Drok" on the chassis "Typhoon-VDV".
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  1. Doccor18
    Doccor18 20 July 2020 15: 48 New
    21
    As part of the ROC "Sketch" a whole "flower garden" is being developed ...

    And all this "flower garden" in the "flower bed" of the army, but more lively ...
    1. Bar1
      Bar1 20 July 2020 16: 49 New
      -34
      Mallow? What the hell again, for a foreign army? Maybe Malvina or Malvina?
      1. Varaga
        Varaga 22 July 2020 14: 47 New
        0
        Why for a stranger? Mallow is a flower. Our artillery is replete with "flower" names.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 July 2020 16: 51 New
      22
      Quote: Doccor18
      And all this "flower garden" in the "flower bed" of the army, but more lively ...

      A beautiful flower, "Mallow forest", in a bouquet of "Carnations", "Chrysanthemums", "Tulips", "Peonies" and "Acacia" - will look great yes

      In our Donbass, not often and densely, but found in the wild ...
      1. Varaga
        Varaga 22 July 2020 14: 48 New
        +1
        In Siberia, malva began to grow - it became warmer. I have a whole flower bed under my windows.
    3. VO3A
      VO3A 20 July 2020 17: 13 New
      -40
      Why is it needed? It will be like everyone else from the trench to shoot with direct fire, or shoot at stationary rechecked targets that do not change their position in space and time!
      We do not even include UAVs in the states of such systems and their SLAs ... We do not have target designation systems for such ART systems, and missile systems, too, in real time ... Each Chinese terminator has a full-time UAV and two kamikaze drones .. . And we have not only that there are no real-time target designation systems without people on the front end, including primitive full-time SLAs with ridiculous characteristics and people in them, so all UAVs are put in shelves .... The stupidity of our leaders is off the scale! They produce not what is needed, but what they know how ... and what it is and how it will work and whether it is necessary at all they do not know ... And the military in the person of the leaders, like rams follow the Supreme ... and that's all ... Stupid, but but the devotees ..
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 July 2020 19: 56 New
        32
        Quote: VO3A
        The stupidity of our leaders goes through the roof ...

        And the military, represented by the leaders, follow the supreme like rams.

        Dumb, but loyal

        The "cleverness" of some sofa experts has no boundaries at all. Well, all the types, except for them.
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 20 July 2020 21: 50 New
          -18
          But in essence? Are you a political scientist or political officer?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 July 2020 22: 31 New
            10
            Quote: VO3A
            But in fact?

            I spoke in essence of your expressions.
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 20 July 2020 23: 22 New
              -10
              All the same ... politically ... I read your comments, you ... lucky chatterbox, no more ... Empty replicas of an empty man ...
              \
              1. poquello
                poquello 21 July 2020 00: 35 New
                +6
                Quote: VO3A
                Empty replicas of an empty man ...
                \

                specifically here
                Quote: VO3A
                We do not even include UAVs in the states of such systems and their OMS ... We do not have target designation systems for such ART systems, and missile systems too, in real time ...

                gee gee, unlucky chatterbox, when the UAV was not in the name, they were already
                1. VO3A
                  VO3A 21 July 2020 02: 52 New
                  -10
                  when the UAV was not in the name, they were already

                  Learn to express your thought at least logically! While a set of words without communication and thought ... You are not mistaken forum? He's not medical ...
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 July 2020 09: 17 New
                    +4
                    Quote: VO3A
                    Learn to express your thought at least logically!

                    Great tip.
                    And it is also worth knowing at least at the minimum level of materiel, isn't it?
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 22 July 2020 21: 30 New
                    0
                    Quote: VO3A
                    when the UAV was not in the name, they were already

                    Learn to express your thought at least logically! While a set of words without communication and thought ...

                    non-Russian or what? The Smerchevsky airplane was developed in the 90s, when the name "UAV" was coined?
              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon 21 July 2020 10: 05 New
                0
                Now, this is what I was talking about. You have hypertrophied conceit with a great deal of boorishness. Don't go into your pocket for insults. I gave quotes from your posts.
            2. YOUR
              YOUR 21 July 2020 05: 09 New
              -8
              Try yourself in a different genre. Speak out on the essence of the material under discussion.
              On my own, in essence, the material under discussion. As in everything, the top-top is in place. Well, they put the gun on a wheeled chassis, so what? Msta is, was it somehow improved? Not. Well, what is it for? another sawmill and laundry, budget development.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 21 July 2020 09: 26 New
                +7
                Quote: YOUR
                Well, what is it for? another sawmill and laundry, budget development.

                Well, yes, it is much cheaper to change soldiers, because "women still give birth"

                Quote: YOUR
                Msta is, was it somehow improved? Not.

                This is not true.
                Between this one:

                and this

                the difference is very large, and it is definitely not in favor of the thirty-four-year-old 2A65, which at the time of its appearance was lagging behind its "classmates"
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 21 July 2020 10: 08 New
                  +3
                  Just now I noticed that there is an ejector on the gun. This is the first time I see him on a gun that is not installed in the turret.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 21 July 2020 10: 11 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    Just now I noticed that there is an ejector on the gun. This is the first time I see him on a gun that is not installed in the turret.

                    Apparently, the development of the weapon is far from complete.
                2. race
                  race 21 July 2020 23: 27 New
                  0
                  Explain, please, to me, what is the advantage of this self-propelled gun over the towed one, if you do not take into account the characteristics of the guns themselves, since they are different?
                  1. alexander 2
                    alexander 2 22 July 2020 00: 43 New
                    +1
                    In the speed of putting on alert. And in the speed of changing positions. Possibly guided by satellite. And the drone will not be included in the composition for a long time. After all, this is just a prototype.
                    1. race
                      race 22 July 2020 21: 06 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander 2
                      Possibly guided by satellite. And the drone will not be included in the composition for a long time. After all, this is just a prototype.

                      This upgrade can be used to equip a classic towed weapon. And what remains in the bottom line? Time to deploy and back? And even then, not a fact. Because Malva will also have to be prepared to open fire, as well as a towed weapon. And if you still need to lay ammunition on the ground, then this advantage will be minimal.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 22 July 2020 09: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Rasen
                    Please explain to me what is the advantage of this self-propelled gun over a towed one.

                    Time.
                    Transfer from field to combat and back. Time to be ready to fire. Higher mobility. And so on ...

                    As a result, it makes sense to carry out a counterfire maneuver with the Malva. to get away from retaliation, but with Msta-B it makes no sense.
                    1. race
                      race 22 July 2020 20: 52 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      As a result, it makes sense to carry out a counterfire maneuver with the Malva. to get away from retaliation, but with Msta-B it makes no sense.

                      But, nevertheless, the calculation of Malva, as well as the calculation of Msta-B, is completely unprotected, and in case of falling under the enemy's artillery fire, it has no more chances to survive than the calculation of the same Msta-B. Or am I wrong?
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 23 July 2020 06: 53 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Rasen
                        But, nevertheless, the calculation of Malva, as well as the calculation of Msta-B, is completely unprotected.

                        I agree.
                        But this does not change the fundamental difference.
      2. HUNTERDON
        HUNTERDON 20 July 2020 23: 29 New
        0
        comment is superfluous, you need to grow up
        1. VO3A
          VO3A 21 July 2020 03: 09 New
          -15
          You sat in the water and started bubbles .... This is how your comment is characterized ....
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 21 July 2020 09: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: VO3A
            You sat in the water and started bubbles .... This is how your comment is characterized ....

            About bubbles ...
            Name at least one modern weapon, the control system of which includes a UAV.
            laughing laughing laughing
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2020 15: 48 New
    13
    The Malva chassis is the BAZ-6010-027 all-terrain vehicle with an 8x8 wheel arrangement manufactured by the Bryansk Automobile Plant, and not the Belarusian MZKT tractor, traditionally used in the Russian army as a platform for placing various weapons. As stated, the use of a Russian all-terrain vehicle with a high cross-country ability and reliability as a chassis will allow the Russian army to get rid of foreign components in military equipment, which greatly simplifies operation.
    .... This is how it should be ... On the other hand, the Union State of Russia and Belarus turned out to be a premature baby who ordered to live long ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 July 2020 18: 43 New
      +2
      As previously reported, an entire flower garden is being developed as part of the Sketch R&D project, which, in addition to the Malva, includes the 120-mm Floks SAO on the Ural-VV chassis, the 120-mm Arctic ACS Magnolia
      What is the caliber? Why not 122 or 125, which are common with us? 120 - I know the mortar. Or am I behind the times?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 11 New
        11
        Quote: AUL
        Or am I behind the times?

        Aha laughing
        And it is very strong.
        Here is the first representative of the family that entered service:

        General Margelov got his bearings at that time and was the first to do it.
        Then there were 2B18 "Nona-M", 2B16 "Nona-K", 2S23 "Nona-SVK", 2B23 "Nona-M1",
        2C31 "Vienna", 2C34 "Hosta", 2C40 "Phlox", "Magnolia" and 2C42 "Lotos"
        1. AUL
          AUL 20 July 2020 19: 15 New
          +2
          Well, I've heard about them. But this is a mortar gun, a specific weapon. Or Phlox and Magnolia from the same row?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: AUL
            But this is a mortar gun, a specific weapon.

            More like a mortar howitzer. Or a "rifled mortar". And officially they pass as a "weapon", except for "Nona-M" and "Nona-M1"

            Quote: AUL
            Or Phlox and Magnolia from the same row?

            Ага.
            And "Magnolia" is generally "Vienna", just on a different base, a joint instead of an BMP
            1. AUL
              AUL 20 July 2020 19: 37 New
              +4
              Thanks for clarifying! hi
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 43 New
                +5
                As far as I understand, "Vienna", "Khosta", "Phlox", "Magnolia" and "Lotos" use different modifications of the same 2A80 gun
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 21 July 2020 11: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              And "Magnolia" is generally "Vienna", just on a different base, a joint instead of an BMP

              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 21 July 2020 20: 39 New
                0
                Video on this topic:
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 21 July 2020 21: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  Video on this topic:

                  Strange, the video is not what I threw here. It was according to our designs.
                  (this is missing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRb3K28ZQl0&feature=emb_logo)
                  what
  3. svp67
    svp67 20 July 2020 15: 49 New
    18
    Wow, what a "Beauty" you are ... Well done "Petrels". And you can see the stock for a longer barrel "Msta-M" or "Coalition"
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 20 July 2020 16: 07 New
      +3
      Why did they take the aging Msta as a basis?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 14 New
        18
        I would not call it "obsolete"
        Apparently, it's all about the ammunition. Which are on the "Mstu". Unlike the "Coalition"

        And apparently this self-propelled guns should go to replace 2A65. Of which there are many that are actively used, including and in Syria and which are hopelessly outdated.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 20 July 2020 17: 06 New
          +5
          I would not call it "obsolete"

          I tried to be softer.
          And apparently this ACS should go to replace the 2A65

          Well, in that case, a self-propelled gun is of course an improvement.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 July 2020 17: 08 New
            +5
            Quote: alexmach
            I tried to be softer.

            This is a modern, world-class ACS.

            Quote: alexmach
            Well, in that case, a self-propelled gun is of course an improvement.

            Not always.
            Some modern towed guns will be better than other SPGs ...
            1. Genry
              Genry 20 July 2020 17: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              Some modern towed guns will be better than other SPGs ...

              The advantage of self-propelled guns in the speed of leaving the position.
              She does not need to fold into the stowed position, cling to the tractor and the speed of movement on the car chassis is much higher. There are also fewer servants.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 July 2020 18: 51 New
                +6
                Quote: Genry
                The advantage of self-propelled guns in the speed of leaving the position.

                Modern towed guns can do it too

                Quote: Genry
                She doesn't need to fold into the stowed position

                Necessary.

                Quote: Genry
                cling to a tractor

                Modern towed vehicles can do without a tractor, moreover, their cross-country ability when coupled with a tractor is higher, since they can help it with their propeller.

                Quote: Genry
                There are also fewer servants.

                This is a highly controversial advantage. Especially in local wars.
                It is more difficult to organize security and fire self-defense, watch, it is more difficult with engineering equipment, with the maintenance of guns and ammunition, and so on.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 20 July 2020 19: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: Genry
                  The advantage of self-propelled guns in the speed of leaving the position.

                  Modern towed guns can do it too

                  Did they mean such a miracle? Or what?

                  Quote: Spade
                  Modern towed vehicles can do without a tractor, moreover, their cross-country ability when coupled with a tractor is higher, since they can help it with their propeller.

                  laughing lol belay
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: Genry
                  There are also fewer servants.

                  This is a highly controversial advantage. Especially in local wars.
                  It is more difficult to organize security and fire self-defense, watch, it is more difficult with engineering equipment, with the maintenance of guns and ammunition, and so on.

                  Why is all this necessary, if after your work, the whole position is mixed with ..... In modern warfare, question number one: where is the goal, and its processing is no longer a problem.
                  Therefore, we need ACS with a short leaving time ...
                  Once you move to your safe location, you will automatically find yourself inside guards and supplies and ....
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 31 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Genry
                    Did they mean such a miracle? Or what?


                    Modern towed. Almost all are self-propelled.

                    Quote: Genry
                    ..... In modern warfare, question number one: where is the goal, and handling it is no longer a problem.

                    It is not a question of "target processing". The question is that a dozen militants in rubber slippers and with rusty machine guns will easily destroy a modern self-propelled battery firing. Therefore, "fewer servants" translate into a heap of infantry, which will guard the area of ​​firing positions.
                  2. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 51 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Genry
                    laughing lol belay

                    For example, this function was possessed by the Swedish FH1978 gun created back in 77.

                    If the tractor stuck, it was possible to start the power plant of the gun, and using the hydraulic drive on the wheels to help pull the tractor out.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 20 July 2020 20: 25 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Spade
                      Modern towed. Almost all are self-propelled.

                      In fact, they are under-SPGs.
                      And they move poorly and turn slowly and hide in an ambush is difficult / impossible and there is no way to survive under fire.
                      Quote: Spade
                      For example, this function was possessed by the Swedish gun created back in 1978

                      Your 77 FH1978 has already been forgotten (like a bad dream). Instead, there is already a new "Archer" and what is it towed by? tongue
                      Quote: Spade
                      It is not a question of "target processing". The question is that a dozen militants in rubber slippers and with rusty machine guns will easily destroy a modern self-propelled battery firing. Therefore, "fewer servants" translate into a heap of infantry, which will guard the area of ​​firing positions.

                      You have confused something. Such systems are used before reaching the front line. They quickly shot home and a new position - this has already become a highlighted target.
                      It would be necessary to protect your under-self-propelled guns, since they unfold for a long time and leave for a long time, but only a weak "partner" will allow them ...
                      Quote: Spade
                      If the tractor stuck, it was possible to start the power plant of the gun, and using the hydraulic drive on the wheels to help pull the tractor out.

                      And I have already shown the nervously twitching "Bofors" with dancing Indians ...
                      This idiot with her "hole" can hardly move herself, and pull herself out with a tractor ... (there are no suitable emoticons for you angry ).
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 21 July 2020 10: 07 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Genry
                        In fact, they are under-SPGs.
                        And they move poorly and turn slowly and hide in an ambush is difficult / impossible and there is no way to survive under fire.

                        And they move in the same way as self-propelled guns on a car chassis off-road, and "turn around" as fast as they
                        But it is easier to "hide in ambush" them. How to ensure safety during shelling.

                        Quote: Genry
                        Your 77 FH1978 has already been forgotten (like a bad dream). Instead, there is already a new "Archer" and what is it towed by?

                        Yah?
                        Learn materiel ... The first three Indian-made FH77s were handed over to the Indian army just two years ago. And the total order for "Danush" is 144 guns

                        Well, what about the "new archer" laughing Sweden was so eager to make money on a corrupt Indian contract that it wrote off all of its 155mm artillery. And for almost 10 years I sat without her, only with mortars
                        And now, after a long break, supplies for their own army have begun. Moreover, only 48 guns were ordered. This is less than three Russian divisions.
                        And that is by accident. To the great joy of the Swedish military, 24 guns intended for Norway, the government was forced to purchase in order to "support the domestic"

                        Quote: Genry
                        You have confused something. Such systems are used before reaching the front line. They quickly shot home and a new position - this has already become a highlighted target.

                        No, it is you "beguiled something" For there is such a concept as "the continuity of fire on the enemy." Therefore, the tactics of artillery units is fundamentally different from the tactics of militants, who run away after a couple of volleys from mortars, and make the next attack in a few days.
                        And the new position is located hundreds of meters from the previous one, again for the sake of this "continuity"



                        Quote: Genry
                        It would be necessary to protect your under-self-propelled guns, since they unfold for a long time and leave for a long time, but only a weak "partner" will allow them ...

                        Be honest. Have you ever seen how "fast" a truck travels on a country road?
                        laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Genry
                        And I have already shown the nervously twitching "Bofors" with dancing Indians ...
                        This fool with her "hole" can hardly move herself, and pull herself out with a tractor ... (there are no angry emoticons for you).

                        Well .... defining the stats of a weapon from this youtube video is not a level of serious discussion.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 20 July 2020 17: 12 New
        +1
        Since the development is secret, it means that we need to be updated. The main caliber is good, and the rest will follow.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 20 July 2020 18: 40 New
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Wow, what a "Beauty" you are ... Well done "Petrels".

      Two approaches. How harmonious "Malva" is, so controversial is the option with the wheeled "Coalition".
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 July 2020 18: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Two approaches. How harmonious "Malva" is, so controversial is the option with a wheeled "Koalitz"

        On the contrary.
        "Malva" - a controversial option, albeit simpler and cheaper
        "Coalition" is more adequate for local wars, but the choice of chassis is very embarrassing because of its obvious tendency to overturn.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 20 July 2020 19: 09 New
          +6
          Quote: Spade
          "Malva" - a controversial option, albeit simpler and cheaper

          In my opinion, the logical development of towed artillery. And "Malva" is a competent implementation of the plan (transition from a towed installation to a transportable one).
          Quote: Spade
          "Coalition" is more adequate for local wars, but the choice of chassis is very embarrassing because of its obvious tendency to overturn.

          Wheeled "Coalition" - installation of a machine gun on a wheeled chassis - I agree that such an option is needed, but its current embodiment in metal is 100% unsuccessful.
          I think so.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 19 New
            0
            Quote: Bad_gr
            In my opinion, the logical development of towed artillery.

            The problem is that to change the shooting sector, she needs to move.
            And this kind of manipulation is extremely common for modern local wars. Accordingly, the "Coalition" has no such problem
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 20 July 2020 19: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              The problem is that to change the shooting sector, she needs to move.

              Clear. Thanks for the information.
            2. sanek45744
              sanek45744 20 July 2020 19: 58 New
              +2
              Do you think that the enemy will let you shoot for a long time from one position !?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 July 2020 20: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: sanek45744
                Do you think that the enemy will let you shoot for a long time from one position !?

                What will he do?
                In Afghanistan, for example, previously Soviet, and now NATO artillery has been standing in the same positions for years.
                1. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 20 July 2020 20: 04 New
                  +3
                  I am more interested in the Donbass experience.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 20 July 2020 20: 10 New
                    +2
                    The question is not "interest", but that. that the tools must be versatile enough.
      2. Kaw
        Kaw 20 July 2020 19: 33 New
        -10
        If in the second self-propelled gun only the layout is unsuccessful, then in the first everything is unsuccessful. I would understand if this was done for sale in poor African countries, but judging by the gigantic and expensive chassis, it was done for us. Apparently they could not master the production of the Coalition. The coalition will probably remain in the plans for 2100.smile
        1. sanek45744
          sanek45744 20 July 2020 19: 56 New
          +2
          and what is the 2nd option inconvenient yes in everything!?
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: Kaw
          If in the second self-propelled gun only the layout is unsuccessful, then in the first everything is unsuccessful.

          Very couch.
          How poor and African do you think a country like France is?
      3. Genry
        Genry 20 July 2020 19: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Two approaches. How harmonious "Malva" is, so controversial is the option with the wheeled "Coalition".

        Yes, KamAZ is too narrow here. And the twin tires aren't off-road.

        It can be assumed that the "Coalition" is better adapted for longer shooting, and "Malva" is more sharpened for the operational finishing of newly discovered ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 July 2020 19: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Genry
          and "Malva" is more focused on efficiently finishing off newly discovered ...

          "Malva" is simpler and much cheaper.
          1. Genry
            Genry 20 July 2020 20: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            "Malva" is simpler and much cheaper.

            Nuuuu ...., judging by the chassis, they didn't save on it at all.
            Now they are more oriented in terms of functionality. She is more youthful-aggressive in comparison ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 21 July 2020 09: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Genry
              Nuuuu ...., judging by the chassis, they didn't save on it at all.

              Nevertheless, this arrangement provides a much lower cost than a "tower" type ACS.
              Quote: Genry
              Now they are more oriented in terms of functionality.

              The functionality with this layout is limited. Due to the limited sector of fire. Plus the lack of protection of the crew during combat work

              Quote: Genry
              She is more youthful-aggressive in comparison ...

              On the contrary, it is a striking representative of the previous generation of self-propelled guns on an automobile chassis. Presented machines such as "Caesar" or ATMOS
    3. Old Operator
      Old Operator 21 July 2020 09: 30 New
      0
      It is strange, why is there an ejector nozzle on a gun without a closed fighting compartment? Who is there to ventilate?
      1. nks
        nks 21 July 2020 12: 05 New
        0
        So this 2A64 from MSTA-S was taken (possibly with minimal changes in the breech). There probably AZ is supposed
  4. PValery53
    PValery53 20 July 2020 15: 54 New
    +1
    With such a barrel length, "Malva" should "reach" for 40-45 km.
    1. Hermann
      Hermann 20 July 2020 16: 05 New
      +3
      A cannon from Msta-S, a 29km active-rocket projectile, it’s all about charges from howitzers from WWII.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 19 New
        14
        Quote: Herman
        it's all about the charges from howitzers during the Second World War.

        ?
        No, "Msta" has its own charges, excellent from the earlier ones.

        It's just that we have never chased records. And the guns shoot at the range provided by the standard accessory.
        1. Hermann
          Hermann 20 July 2020 16: 20 New
          +1
          So the charges from Acacia are not suitable?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 31 New
            +7
            Quote: Herman
            So the charges from Acacia are not suitable?

            No.
            Shells are suitable and used, but require their charge. As far as I remember, initially, during the USSR, it was a long-range charge in a long plastic sleeve, a full variable and a reduced variable

            1. Hermann
              Hermann 20 July 2020 16: 33 New
              +1
              If you can ask another question: Are the charges from ML-20 to D-20 / Acacia suitable?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 40 New
                +4
                As far as I know, no
        2. novel66
          novel66 20 July 2020 16: 23 New
          +2
          Well, so, in appearance, what range would you define for her?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 32 New
            +2
            I have no idea if it's a word.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 20 July 2020 19: 09 New
              +4
              But in theory there Msta is unchanged. And the characteristics must be appropriate. Judging by the presence of the ejector, there are no changes.
  5. Alexga
    Alexga 20 July 2020 16: 05 New
    0
    https://topwar.ru/163694-pojavilos-izobrazhenie-rossijskoj-sao-malva.html
    It looks like a regular reprint of an old article for 2019.
  6. loki565
    loki565 20 July 2020 16: 07 New
    +6
    Only the loading mechanism is not clear, it may be something like CAESAR
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 20 July 2020 18: 45 New
      0
      Quote: loki565
      maybe something like CAESAR

      Interestingly, and where does he put the spent cartridge cases?
      1. loki565
        loki565 20 July 2020 19: 47 New
        +7
        Interestingly, and where does he put the spent cartridge cases?

        There are no cases, this is a powder cap, it completely burns out.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 20 July 2020 20: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: loki565
          There are no cases, this is a powder cap, it completely burns out.

          Clear. And the system for igniting this charge?
  7. Lebed
    Lebed 20 July 2020 16: 10 New
    +9
    I think that a certain number of such CAOs in the troops are fully justified. In any case, it will not be superfluous.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 20 July 2020 17: 59 New
      -10
      I think that a certain number of such CAOs in the troops are fully justified. In any case, it will not be superfluous.

      It seems to me that the place of this fluff in our conditions is in the National Guard.
      She arrived quickly, dispersed someone and home, saving the asphalt. wink
      Therefore, the shells - those that are, and the barrel, the one that already exists.
      1. your1970
        your1970 20 July 2020 19: 09 New
        +3
        Has dispersed anyone for 20-30 km ??? fool fool
        Who are we fighting with?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 20 July 2020 19: 24 New
          -4
          Read what, in the second Chechen, the village of Komsomolskoye was stormed.
          And then beat yourself as much as you want. yes
          1. your1970
            your1970 20 July 2020 20: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Alex777
            Read what, in the second Chechen, the village of Komsomolskoye was stormed.
            And then beat yourself as much as you want. yes
            pardon repeat - mistook you for a screeching liberalist ....
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 20 July 2020 20: 58 New
              0
              I am not him even once. drinks
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 21 July 2020 09: 11 New
            -1
            For the fact that the Russian Guard called the National Guard of the minuses like fleas picked up ...
            Only in the morning I figured out what I wrote wrong ... sad
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 20 July 2020 20: 01 New
        +2
        Seems to me

        The Russian Guard does not have systems with a caliber of more than 120 mm (not counting the D-30).
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 20 July 2020 20: 24 New
          0
          What is your version of the possible application of the wheeled artillery system?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 20 July 2020 20: 34 New
            +2
            In the army, just like towed guns.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 20 July 2020 20: 41 New
              +2
              The advantages of a towed gun known to me are the price and the ability to throw it (including on the hands) where the self-propelled gun will not go. hi
              Can you imagine this system in high intensity combat?
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 20 July 2020 20: 58 New
                +2
                Advantages I know of being towed

                Only for wars with the Papuans who do not know how to organize a counter-battery fight, i.e. where you can not bother with the anti-fire maneuver.
                http://militaryarticle.ru/voennaya-mysl/1993-vm/8505-v-inostrannyh-armijah-2
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 20 July 2020 21: 08 New
                  0
                  Well, you smoothly moved on to what I was hinting at ... yes
                  That in conditions of war with a professional army, this tool is of little use.
                  Expensive (one chassis costs money) and vulnerable to counter-battery combat.
                  Therefore, I suggested it in Rosguard. Or for export.
                  Although, of course, I could be wrong. hi
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 20 July 2020 21: 43 New
                    +2
                    That in conditions of war with a professional army, this tool is of little use.

                    Two ways - equipping conventional towed guns with ASUNO kits, self-referencing (relatively cheap) allows you to disperse the battle formation by placing guns individually, and not with batteries - divisions, as before.
                    The second one is self-propelled guns, the engine + hydraulics allows the gun to independently switch from the combat position to the stowed position and vice versa, as well as to perform the POG. Those. shoot in the mode: short fire raid (1 minute) - move - short fire raid.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 20 July 2020 22: 56 New
                      +2
                      Vladimir!
                      I understand about the towed guns. I agree with everything you say.
                      But this chariot on the battlefield is for me a white elephant. hi
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 20 July 2020 22: 39 New
                +6
                Alexander, Msta-B 152mm in the stowed position 7000kg - throw on hands belay ?! D-30A 122mm stowed 3290kg - Mi-8 carrying capacity 4kg hi
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 20 July 2020 23: 00 New
                  +3
                  I agree! smile
                  Our 152mm guns must be moved by the engine.
                  As a colleague rightly pointed out strannik1985 (vladimir):
                  self-propelled guns, engine + hydraulics allows the gun to independently switch from the combat position to the stowed position and vice versa, as well as to perform the POG

                  The 155 mm howitzer M777 weighs 4218 kg.
                  1. cat Rusich
                    cat Rusich 20 July 2020 23: 18 New
                    +2
                    M 777 - $ 3 (737 data). hi
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 20 July 2020 23: 20 New
                      +1
                      It would be cheaper with us. Our titanium is the best. wink
                      1. cat Rusich
                        cat Rusich 20 July 2020 23: 30 New
                        +2
                        Pat-B - 4 kg, only a range of 350 km ...
      3. Alex777
        Alex777 21 July 2020 09: 09 New
        0
        Error is error.
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 July 2020 16: 14 New
    +1
    Powerful thing !!!!
  9. Fedorov
    Fedorov 20 July 2020 16: 16 New
    +3
    It should be noted here that wheeled artillery systems are not widely used in Russia, while in the West this technique is very popular.

    Explainable why. Lupanet Oktyablsky rain, And in our open spaces and European horseradish on wheels. Only a goose. Not stupid "Carnations and" Acacia were created.
    1. novel66
      novel66 20 July 2020 16: 25 New
      +5
      since the last war, the number of roads has increased slightly lol
      1. Fedorov
        Fedorov 20 July 2020 16: 29 New
        +1
        I agree. But for whom?
        1. novel66
          novel66 20 July 2020 16: 30 New
          +4
          so, for everyone request
          1. Fedorov
            Fedorov 20 July 2020 16: 40 New
            +1
            That’s if I’m a tourist. And suddenly, God forbid, a T-72 column, pret. There are just roads.
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 20 July 2020 16: 41 New
        -2
        If you are talking about the Second World War, then in that war the spacecraft did not have artillery self-propelled guns.
        1. Fedorov
          Fedorov 20 July 2020 16: 51 New
          -2
          Don't beoo. There is no doubt.
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 21 July 2020 16: 21 New
          0
          Quote: strannik1985
          If you are talking about the Second World War, then in that war the spacecraft did not have artillery self-propelled guns.

          excuse me, but what is SU122, SU152 and ISU152?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 21 July 2020 16: 37 New
            0
            Assault, technically, PDO can shoot, but the main purpose is direct fire.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 21 July 2020 18: 01 New
              0
              Quote: strannik1985
              Assault, technically, PDO can shoot, but the main purpose is direct fire.

              and you are not confused? it seems like the main purpose is just like an ACS, but with the ability to use it as an assault. and in the name of the SU and in all sources it is classified as an ACS. request
              but the SU-76 is definitely not an assault gun wink
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 21 July 2020 18: 39 New
                0
                and you are not confused?

                http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/SbornikBoevyhDokumentov/Issue21/Issue21_27.html
                300-600 meters behind tanks or infantry.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 21 July 2020 18: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: strannik1985
                  300-600 meters behind tanks or infantry.

                  and?
                  hmmm ... the very first lines:
                  "Until now, tank and combined-arms commanders use self-propelled artillery often incorrectly, using it without fire and tactical interaction with tanks, infantry and artillery, in front of the battle formations of infantry and tanks, that is, using self-propelled artillery installations (ACS) like tanks. "
                  and you say that they are not recourse Note that it is the self-propelled artillery mounts (ACS), not the assault guns. the USSR really did not have such a class of equipment as assault guns. yes re-read the text of the document at your link. there is not a single mention of a shooter weapon.
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 21 July 2020 18: 56 New
                    0
                    and you say that they are not

                    These are the nuances of the designation - ACS NPP (direct infantry support) or an assault gun, the essence is the same. The conversation began with a mention of the "last war" and the patency of vehicles on a tracked base.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 21 July 2020 19: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: strannik1985
                      These are the nuances of the designation - ACS NPP (direct support of the infantry) or an assault gun, the essence is the same.

                      understandably. I will not insist hi I see you are ready to write everything that ever fired directly into assault guns request
                      1. strannik1985
                        strannik1985 21 July 2020 19: 28 New
                        +1
                        Not me, but MO.
                        https://encyclopedia.mil.ru/encyclopedia/dictionary/[email protected]
                        Are you fundamentally not interested in the beginning of the conversation?
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 20 July 2020 16: 40 New
      +4
      Explainable why.

      In theory, regimental (brigade) / divisional guns are better on a tracked base in order to pass tanks and infantry, and above the level, army ones are wheeled, operational mobility is better.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Fedorov
      Explainable why.

      Inexplicable. For the cross-country ability of the numerous towed artillery is even lower.
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 July 2020 17: 09 New
      +6
      Take action in Syria, Afghanistan, the Caucasus ... why pull a tracked howitzer there .... In Syria, Msta with a KamAZ tractor is successfully firing with might and main. And Baz will pass even more.
  10. garri-lin
    garri-lin 20 July 2020 16: 17 New
    0
    More information. Details.
  11. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 20 July 2020 16: 59 New
    -1
    There is a suspicion that this "Malva" will be tested with 2A64, and will go into production with 2A83 winked
    Which would be very good
    1. Genry
      Genry 20 July 2020 19: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      There is a suspicion that this ...

      wassat
      I wonder which doctor treats suspicions? lol
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 20 July 2020 17: 01 New
    +1
    Artillery is the GOD OF WAR !!!
    Schaub was not invented there by couch "experts", real military men do not think that it is time to be scrapped!
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 July 2020 17: 05 New
    0
    I wonder why the new gun, like on KamAZ, was not installed? And so, the idea is sane. The French put their 155mm cannon on 6x6 Renault and 8x8 Tatras with armored cabins.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 20 July 2020 20: 06 New
      +1
      Cheaper, 2A88 - a modular charge, new fuses, and under 2A64 the entire infrastructure is already there, and export.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 July 2020 20: 24 New
        +1
        They wrote that the main weapon will be a new one.
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 July 2020 17: 39 New
    0
    BAZ-6010-027 with an 8x8 wheel arrangement produced by the Bryansk Automobile Plant, and not the Belarusian MZKT tractor - the option of import substitution, plus Bryansk must be loaded.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 July 2020 17: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Pavel57
      the option of import substitution, plus Bryansk must be loaded.

      The entire Almaz-Antey is now working on loading Bryansk - BAZ is to replace all the chassis of the MZKT in the air defense. smile
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 20 July 2020 20: 25 New
      +1
      Their mass is different. MZKT 8X8 will be heavier.
  15. Tugarin
    Tugarin 20 July 2020 18: 03 New
    14
    There is something similar in Coast Defense.
    1. Denis Medvedev
      Denis Medvedev 20 July 2020 20: 00 New
      +2
      Coastal artillery complex "Bereg" on the MAZ-543 chassis
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 July 2020 07: 23 New
        0
        KZKT .... which is no longer there.
  16. +5
    +5 20 July 2020 18: 27 New
    +2
    I like the flower names of our artel .... But ... How is it better than Msta-B plus Kamaz or Ural? Is there any kind of mechanization there?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2020 07: 25 New
      0
      Did you carry the gun? MT-12 for 3 tons weighs ... and here is a 152mm howitzer
  17. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 20 July 2020 18: 55 New
    -2
    why one and the same howitzer cannon and towed both on a tracked chassis (the best option) and on a car chassis, I think this money would be for the further development of missile defense systems with high-precision ammunition, well, and close, medium distances for armored chassis
  18. Motorhead
    Motorhead 20 July 2020 19: 03 New
    +1
    A beautiful product. Based on BAZ, a big plus.
  19. Kaw
    Kaw 20 July 2020 19: 17 New
    -1
    It seems that they were going to put the Coalition tower (with automatic loading and other buns) on a wheeled chassis. Instead, they made the most simplified version in which the calculation would have to carry 50 kg with their hands. shells, and even installed an obsolete gun from Msta
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 20 July 2020 19: 23 New
      -3
      This is how our plans differ from real life. They began to build a death star, and they built a corncob.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 July 2020 08: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Kaw
      It seems that they were going to put the Coalition tower (with automatic loading and other buns) on a wheeled chassis. Instead, they made the most simplified version in which the calculation would have to carry 50 kg with their hands. shells, and even installed an obsolete gun from Msta

      Not instead of, but in parallel. "Petrel" made both "Coalition" on the basis of "Kamaz", and "budget" wheeled "Mstu" on the chassis of BAZ.
  20. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 20 July 2020 19: 40 New
    +1
    As reported, as a firing component at the Malva Joint Stock Company is used 152-mm cannon 2A64 used in the Msta-S self-propelled guns. It is possible to install an upgraded version of this gun, but no data due to development secrecy.

    The author of the article is apparently joking ...
    2S19 "Msta-S" (S - self-propelled, in contrast to the towed gun 2A65 "Msta-B", adopted for service in 1986 year and having a swinging part similar to 2C19).

    https://topwar.ru/4127-152-mm-samoxodnaya-gaubica-2s19-msta-s.html
  21. Denis Medvedev
    Denis Medvedev 20 July 2020 19: 57 New
    +1
    A good concept, but not new ... There was a project in the USSR on the basis of KRAZ, then at MAZ, on the 4-axle KAMAZ, the artillery component itself was the same 152 mm-MSTA
    1. Denis Medvedev
      Denis Medvedev 20 July 2020 20: 01 New
      +1
      In fact, the "Coalition" is a deep modernization of the "MST", compatible in terms of shells
      1. Kaw
        Kaw 20 July 2020 20: 22 New
        -1
        This is not a modernization. This Mstu was put on a wheeled chassis and greatly simplified. At Msta, at least, the charging process was partially mechanized.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 July 2020 07: 27 New
          0
          But in fact, they were loaded from the ground .... here, most likely there are some rammers. For such machines, the main thing is a long-range gun and corr shells.
  22. Kaw
    Kaw 20 July 2020 20: 19 New
    -3
    Quote: Spade

    Very couch.
    How poor and African do you think a country like France is?

    Well, why be equal to the worst, and then, this self-propelled gun and Caesar is inferior in almost everything and in the firing range and the bulkiness and weight of the chassis.
    They tried, did as the worst of what they do, just a little worse. wink
  23. V1er
    V1er 20 July 2020 20: 40 New
    +4
    A-222 "Bereg" - Soviet and Russian coastal self-propelled artillery system (coastal defense artillery system) of 130 mm caliber
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 20 July 2020 21: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: V1er
      A-222 "Beach"

      As a variant of the layout for the wheeled "Coalition".
      Only instead of the Mazov chassis to put BAZ.
  24. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 20 July 2020 21: 53 New
    0
    And I personally like the flower ......... And what about her with horizontal guidance by the way. Sector 15-20 degrees? Who knows?
  25. Morglenn
    Morglenn 20 July 2020 22: 22 New
    0
    I really don't understand why a gun was stuck on it from the msta, if there is a better one from the coalition. Let's hope that this is just a prototype for running in systems
  26. paco.soto
    paco.soto 20 July 2020 23: 50 New
    0
    Neutral opinion: I tried to google the photo - this "Malva" is nowhere else. I was a little confused by the stability of the platform.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 21 July 2020 09: 15 New
      +2
      Neutral opinion: ..... and I have a negative one ... the only thing that can be wished for the crews of these Malma so that the shovels would be strong, dig, there is no digger like on Msta, you have to dig the caponier for a long time and with diligence
  27. paco.soto
    paco.soto 20 July 2020 23: 53 New
    0

    Photo of the French counterpart on the platform and a slightly larger caliber.
  28. Evil 55
    Evil 55 21 July 2020 02: 41 New
    +1
    Just for the desert ... I hope the vertical load and its implementation with a wheeled propeller will allow it to move at least on roads with improved surfaces.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 July 2020 07: 29 New
      +1
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOXLT-EsZss&t=492s
  29. Normal ok
    Normal ok 21 July 2020 11: 08 New
    -2
    I remember that only the lazy did not speak negatively about wheeled SPGs. It turns out that the matter was in the absence of its own.
  30. Radikal
    Radikal 21 July 2020 22: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: VO3A
    Why is it needed? It will be like everyone else from the trench to shoot with direct fire, or shoot at stationary rechecked targets that do not change their position in space and time!
    We do not even include UAVs in the states of such systems and their SLAs ... We do not have target designation systems for such ART systems, and missile systems, too, in real time ... Each Chinese terminator has a full-time UAV and two kamikaze drones .. . And we have not only that there are no real-time target designation systems without people on the front end, including primitive full-time SLAs with ridiculous characteristics and people in them, so all UAVs are put in shelves .... The stupidity of our leaders is off the scale! They produce not what is needed, but what they know how ... and what it is and how it will work and whether it is necessary at all they do not know ... And the military in the person of the leaders, like rams follow the Supreme ... and that's all ... Stupid, but but the devotees ..

    good good good Respect! hi