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Bad example for the USA: what to learn from the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky

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Today, the United States is swept by a wave of demolition of monuments. In American cities, statues are being dismantled one after another - not only of the generals of the "racist" Confederation, but also of presidents, and even Christopher Columbus. But the "statuette" began by no means from the New World.


Demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky as a symbolic act of anti-Sovietism


On the evening of August 22, 1991, after it became known about the failure of the coup organized by the State Emergency Committee of the USSR, thousands of Muscovites and guests of the city gathered at the building of the State Security Committee on Lubyanskaya Square. The democrats considered the headquarters of the Soviet secret service to be the main hotbed of "evil", and the monument to the founder of the Cheka Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky standing in front of it was a symbol of the power of the KGB. The idea to knock down the Iron Felix statue arose spontaneously and was received with a bang by the protesters: people climbed onto the monument, attached a rope to it, then, as if by an unknown director, a truck appeared from somewhere.

Moscow Council deputy Sergei Stankevich urged people to calm down and not topple the monument, but to wait for its "official" demolition. Soon the statue was carefully removed from the pedestal and taken away. So symbolically, as it seemed to the democrats then, the "era of KGB domination" ended, but soon people began to warmly remember the name of "Iron Felix", faced with a wave of crime, homelessness, drug addiction and other inalienable attributes of the "dashing nineties".

In the United States, the situation is now completely different, but certain parallels can still be drawn. Crowds of protesters, without a twinge of conscience, destroying monuments to the founders of American statehood, do not think that if the state is “broken”, the consequences for the United States will be much more sad than for the USSR. And it’s not about the consequences for the state: the oligarchy will not suffer and the States will probably retain military and political power, but the life of a white American citizen will become much less secure than now, with the “racist” police and statues of generals and presidents still standing.

Whether or not the United States should take the "statuepad lesson"


It is noteworthy that the demolition of monuments of the Soviet era and current events in the United States have also linked the Moscow correspondent of The New Yorker Joshua Jaffa. In an anti-Soviet and anti-communist manner familiar to American journalists, he writes that the statue of Dzerzhinsky embodied the role of the KGB in the life of the Soviet state, and laments that the fight against communism was limited only to the demolition of the Iron Felix, but no real sentences followed to the Soviet system.


"Former monument" in the USA

Now, Jaffa concludes, the same followers of Felix Edmundovich are in power, who no longer need even the statues of their famous predecessor to rule the country: there are enough small portraits in their offices. Therefore, Russia can become an example for the United States of the sad consequences of a passion for fighting with monuments instead of fighting with a real system, the American journalist believes.

True, it is not very clear which system the "monument fighters" in the United States want to demolish? If we are talking about the American statehood created 240 years ago, then, I'm afraid, the creation on the territory of the States of a state similar to South Sudan or even South Africa, first of all, will not please Mr. Jaffa himself. It is precisely the lessons of the “statue fall” in the crumbling USSR and the countries of Eastern Europe that the current American leadership should draw in order to understand the consequences of such symbolism for the American state.

For the Soviet Union, the demolition of the monument to "Iron Felix" did not bring anything good: the state collapsed, armed conflicts still continue in the post-Soviet space, the inhabitants of many sovereign post-Soviet republics are in deep poverty. The same Moscow residents who applauded the demolition of the monument in 1991, for the most part, after the collapse of the USSR, began to live much worse than before, and if they retained their prosperity, it was due to the high cost of Moscow housing donated in Soviet times. This, of course, if we do not talk about the representatives of the clans of "raspberry jackets", many of which later came to power.
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  1. Asad
    Asad 20 July 2020 16: 52 New
    15
    I am against the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky, after all, this is history, our history! And we probably don't know the whole truth!
    1. credo
      credo 20 July 2020 17: 06 New
      +8
      What is the significance for Russia "... the Moscow correspondent of The New Yorker Joshua Jaffa ...", but absolutely nothing, as well as his opinion about the dismantling of the monument in Moscow to F.E. Dzerzhinsky.
      Yes, yet another scribbler from the United States is throwing mud at Russia and writing fables for illiterate Americans about bad Russia. It's familiar.
      Now, if he really wanted to somehow understand the history of the demolition of monuments in a particular country and understand the reasons for this action, then there would be no need to tie Russia to this story, but simply consult with historians who would clearly tell him that from the most ancient times the coming to power of the winners in a particular territory always turned into the demolition of symbols and signs (including monuments) of the defeated.
      An axiom familiar to any educated person.
      1. tatra
        tatra 20 July 2020 18: 06 New
        +1
        The only difference between the winners as a result of the October Revolution, and the winners as a result of the anti-Soviet counter-revolution in Perestroika, is that if the former demolished monuments erected by those from whom they took the country and erected to their great people and heroes, the latter have been demolishing monuments for 30 years. established by those from whom they took the country, BUT did not give the country and the people a single normal hero and great person - only anti-Soviet and Russophobic, and those close to the authorities, those to whom the authorities are simply supportive, such as Rotenberg and Kadyrov. ...
        1. savage1976
          savage1976 21 July 2020 03: 28 New
          -2
          Traditionally, lying is not tossing bags for the type of "communists" who are enemies of the communists.
          https://piterbu.ru/pamyatniki-peterburga/pamyatnik-a-d-saxarovu-v-peterburge-na-pl-saxarova.html
          Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov (21.05.1921/14.12.1989/1953 - 1956/1962/1966), an outstanding Soviet theoretical physicist who took part in the creation of a thermonuclear bomb, Hero of Socialist Labor (1967, 1970, 1980), human rights defender (from XNUMX - XNUMX), subjected to repression, persecution and bullying by the KGB of the USSR in the XNUMXs - XNUMXs, Russian democrat.

          You should be "communists" who are "enemies of the communists" who are "communists are enemies of communists" and then your "communists are enemies of communists who are communists" achievement, human flight into space. ”But it’s not clear if Khrushchev is“ the enemy of the communists ”, then whose merit in this accomplishment, the communists or“ enemies of the communists. ”And then they are the enemies of the communists, they handed out free apartments, they built hospitals and schools, to humanity the way into space was being opened, and what the communists were doing at that time was completely incomprehensible.
          1. tatra
            tatra 21 July 2020 09: 44 New
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            Ha, you, the enemies of the communists, are those who both under the USSR and after the capture of the USSR, only spite against the communists, and offered nothing and no one to their country and people BETTER than the communists, including the "democrat" Sakharov. These are those who cowardly whine in chorus that you "have nothing to do" with everything that you have created in the Soviet and post-Soviet periods - responsibility for unleashing the Civil War after the October Revolution in order to overthrow the power of the Bolsheviks, and capture Russia by you, and. your accomplices, interventionists, up to responsibility for the results of your highly paid work for 30 years after the capture and dismemberment of the USSR.
            1. savage1976
              savage1976 21 July 2020 16: 28 New
              -1
              So I ask, where were the communists all this time, if the revolution was made by the enemies of the communists, the civilian was won by the enemies of the communists, the Great Patriotic War was won by the enemies of the communists, the enemies of the communists were sent into space, the enemies of the communists mastered the atom, the enemies of the communists also handed out apartments for free. And the communists, where were they wrong all this time? In taverns with women? Or with nebabs?
        2. Roman123567
          Roman123567 21 July 2020 09: 30 New
          -1
          the first to demolish the monuments erected by those from whom they took the country, and put their great people and heroes, then the second stupidly 30 years demolish the monuments erected by those from whom they took the country,BUT did not give the country and people a single normal hero

          And the Yeltsin Center ??
        3. your1970
          your1970 21 July 2020 09: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: tatra
          Only the difference between the winners as a result of the October Revolution, and the winners as a result of the anti-Soviet counter-revolution in Perestroika, is that if the former demolished the monuments erected by those from whom they took the country, and put their great people and heroes
          -oops!!!! Remind me on whose command all the monuments to Stalin were demolished in one day throughout the country ???
          The beginning of the title of the position is different for ALL of these people - but the end of the title is the same "....... KPSS". No? Or was Stalin not great? Or all the leaders from the level 1 secretary of the district committee of the CPSU - were "enemies of the communists"?
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 20 July 2020 23: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: credo
        but simply to consult with historians who would clearly tell him that since the most ancient times, the coming to power of the victors in a given territory has always turned around the demolitions of symbols and signs (including monuments) of the vanquished.
        An axiom familiar to any educated person.

        However, it must be admitted that there is a tendency in Russia that more and more often, and more broadly geographically, the erection and restoration of monuments to Stalin is taking place, and this is good, since it demonstrates that the demand for real justice is growing in society, and not for ghostly and amorphous democracy.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 17: 13 New
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      Any monuments should not be demolished. Good or bad, but it is a memory. History.
      1. credo
        credo 20 July 2020 17: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Any monuments should not be demolished. Good or bad, but it is a memory. History.

        In this matter, human memory is not decisive, since the winner always puts politics at the forefront, and she, as the memory knows, is neither a friend nor a sister.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 July 2020 19: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Any monuments should not be demolished. Good or bad, but it is a memory. History.

        Our shitty story looms:
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 19: 04 New
          +4
          What is the story. What was, it was. It's definitely not worth decorating history.
      3. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 30 New
        +2
        History shows that the monuments were demolished everywhere in all ages in all countries. But something still remains, despite all the efforts of the eradicators of the past. However, the processes that we observe are truly global in nature, which was not the case before.
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2020 00: 36 New
      +4
      Totally agree with you. And the point here is not only in the historical memory, even from the aesthetic point of view, this monument "held" the entire square, being its harmonious center.
      But if they removed the monument to Marx from Okhotny Ryad, then, in my opinion, they did the right thing, he would be there in general "neither to the village, nor to the city." And if Dzerzhinsky is our history, then Marx has a very indirect relationship to it.
      I remember when this monument was opened, the following joke immediately began to circulate in Moscow:
      "What is Super-Jewry?
      - This is when one Jew erects a monument to another Jew in the square named after the third Jew. " smile
      (Monument to Marx by sculptor Karbel on Sverdlov Square).
      You still have to think about what to put where and when.
  2. Lopatov
    Lopatov 20 July 2020 16: 53 New
    +8
    They were also bastards .... Now they are trying to excuse themselves "this is completely different", look who is interested in Stankevich's recent interview on Euronews:
    "Therefore, let's treat history with care and when this happens, we need to understand the meaning of the events: well, let's say, it is useful to get rid of some monuments in order to mark a break with the wrong unpleasant tradition in history. " (C)

    But the fact remains that your own history cannot be defeated.
    Nobody succeeded, including the Egyptians of the time of the pharaohs, who diligently knocked down the images and names of their predecessors.
    1. Asad
      Asad 20 July 2020 17: 12 New
      +1
      You ruined my dinner with Stankevich!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 July 2020 17: 52 New
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      Quote: Spade
      well, let's say, it is useful to get rid of some monuments in order to mark a break with the wrong unpleasant tradition in history. "

      We went through this after 1917, then in 1956, when "in one night" the monuments to Joseph Stalin were demolished. Stankevich has nothing sacred.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 July 2020 22: 22 New
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        Monuments to Stalin were demolished not in 1956, but in 1961, after the 22nd Congress. The decisions of the 20th congress were moderate, and occasionally Stalin was quoted in newspapers both in 1956 and in 1957-1960.
    3. sailor roman
      sailor roman 20 July 2020 19: 05 New
      -1
      Well, let’s say that history has been redrawn at all times to please the ruling power in the country, from ancient times to the present day. Even today you and I do not know who we are, where we are from and why ... It was not for nothing that the original sources of the world's history were destroyed with the coming to power of a new "house".
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 20 July 2020 16: 57 New
    +2
    . For the Soviet Union, the demolition of the monument to Iron Felix did not bring anything good:

    Obvious and not so incredible.
    The sad lessons of history should, like, society teach how NOT to deal with their history .... to see too many skipped History or did not consider it an important subject at all!?!?!?
  4. svp67
    svp67 20 July 2020 17: 00 New
    15
    Demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky as a symbolic act of anti-Sovietism

    How to call the demolition of the monument to General Skobelev and many other monuments almost immediately after the 1917 revolution?
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 20 July 2020 17: 03 New
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      So to call it barbarism. My great-grandfather, who fought under his command, it is good that he did not see this.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 20 July 2020 17: 05 New
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      Quote: svp67
      What to call the demolition of the monument to General Skobelev and many more monuments almost immediately after the 1917 revolution?

      How stupid.
      Because it gave absolutely nothing.
      And Skobelev was remembered again already under Stalin.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 July 2020 17: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      How to call the demolition of the monument to General Skobelev and many other monuments almost immediately after the 1917 revolution?

      Vandalism. I am surprised that the monument to Peter the Great in Petrograd was not demolished.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 18: 02 New
        +6
        We defended the Bronze Horseman. Catherine was defended. In Moscow, Minin and Pozharsky also wanted to dispose of.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 27 New
          +2
          Well, after all, they moved it aside only so that it would not interfere with traffic on Red Square. He stood elsewhere. Bagration and Nicholas I, for example, also survived in St. Petersburg. In general, there was more in St. Petersburg - more and survived, so it must be assumed. But Barclay de Tolly in Riga was uprooted back in 1989. I don’t know with what joy he came to Riga. The pedestal with the inscription remained then. And here recently, about two years ago, some American shook his own bust in the Historical Museum. Allegedly by accident. He stumbled, fell, grabbed onto Barclay de Tolly. No luck to him.
    4. tatra
      tatra 20 July 2020 18: 14 New
      +1
      Oh, this eternal hypocritical "pathos" of the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, who constantly do what they accuse the Bolshevik-Communists of, and believe that they themselves have every right to do so, and when they themselves are accused of this, they cowardly "shift the arrows "-" Well, after all, the Communist Bolsheviks did the same. " And now already "in the afternoon with fire" you will not find those who joyfully hooted the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky, ran to the White House to defend Yeltsin in August 1991. They all keep quiet cowardly. And then they walked around Moscow as "gogols" and pestered people "and where were you in August 1991, why didn't you go to the White House to defend Yeltsin?"
      1. Nikolai Korovin
        Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 21 New
        +2
        Here I discussed in the subway with one guy quite loudly how many revolutions our generation experienced, and what is considered a revolution and what is not - the type clung to, demanded an answer what we were doing in August 91. In business!
    5. awdrgy
      awdrgy 30 July 2020 21: 05 New
      0
      In short, if you demolished monuments, then it is necessary to demolish yours if there is such a thing.And that's fair
  5. knn54
    knn54 20 July 2020 17: 04 New
    +5
    As there is not enough KKK. And why don't they burn bucks with portraits of "oppressors"?
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2020 17: 05 New
    +2
    And they gathered at the Lubyanka at the command of an unknown director, and the monument was demolished at his command ... Yes, and the name is probably known ... they only keep silent. GKChP is a very dark matter ... It looks more like a well-directed performance ..
    1. VIP
      VIP 20 July 2020 18: 23 New
      0
      Maybe this director appeared back in 1953?
  7. prior
    prior 20 July 2020 17: 08 New
    0
    Black racism in America is gradually turning into black fascism. And the demolition of monuments is a consequence.
    The slogan "The life of blacks matters" has the same meaning as the slogan "Ukraine is above all."
    And this process will not dissipate by itself.
  8. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 20 July 2020 17: 10 New
    +2
    Not only in the 90s, but now there is a lot of work for Iron Felix.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 20 July 2020 17: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Not only in the 90s, but now there is a lot of work for Iron Felix.
      Reply

      That's why they took down a monument to him and put it back!
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 July 2020 18: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        That's why they took down a monument to him and put it back!

        If the Mausoleum is draped on Victory Day, then the monument to Dzerzhinsky will not be restored.
        1. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 17 New
          -1
          There is some sense in the drapery of the Mausoleum. To climb to his tribune means to trample underfoot the burial site. So, in my opinion, the issue of drapery is controversial. And, of course, you don't need to demolish 100%. Isn't he draped the rest of the time? Please look outside. I don't know if they go inside now. I remember that I was about 12 years old, and this visit made a rather painful impression on me. The crypt is the crypt, no matter how you light it.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 July 2020 20: 23 New
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            Quote: Nikolai Korovin
            I remember I was about 12 years old, and this visit made a rather painful impression on me. A crypt is a crypt, as it is not illuminated.

            I was there for a long time, but impressions, like you.
  9. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 17: 25 New
    -2
    There would be no State Emergency Committee - and no one would demolish the monument to Dzerzhinsky ... good
    And so, here the authorities themselves are to blame for that moment ...
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 20 July 2020 18: 21 New
      0
      And how did Dzerzhinsky interfere with the Emergency Committee? Or how is this related? It's just that some of their brains dried up from permissiveness and no one was able to correct them.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 21 July 2020 13: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Corona without virus
      There would be no GKChP - and no one would demolish the monument to Dzerzhinsky

      laughing That's exactly a head without a crown!
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 July 2020 17: 34 New
    0
    So maybe Stankevich secretly advised the striped, too quickly their monuments began to fall.
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 10 New
      -1
      Judging by the transfer of Solovyov, Mr. Stankevich hastily changed his shoes in the jump, not particularly advertising this process.
  11. Astra wild
    Astra wild 20 July 2020 17: 49 New
    +3
    In all fairness, the "war on monuments" in our country did not begin in 1991. There are the brightest dates: 1) 1918 "Lenin's subbotnik", when, on the initiative of V. I. Lenin, they began to clear the Kremlin of rubbish and monuments of the previous era.
    Later it turned out that the monuments to the REAL HEROES of RUSSIA were sent to the "trash": General Radetsky, Arkhip Osipov and many others, but despite such distortions from the stupidity of various "Shvonders", this was the BEGINNING OF THE ERA OF CREATION.
    2) 1956 when the 20th Congress of the CPSU condemned the "personality cult" and again monuments flew to the "trash", I do not undertake to evaluate the role of Stalin and his associates, this is a topic for a separate conversation. But later it turned out that they were sent to the "trash" with Stalin: decency, ideological spirit. Lenin's party degenerated and as a result our Motherland of the USSR did not
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 20 July 2020 18: 23 New
      +1
      It is easiest to fight with monuments, you don't need a lot of mind
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 20 July 2020 22: 32 New
      -1
      Monuments began to be demolished not after 20, but after the 22nd Congress of the CPSU in 1961.
  12. Astra wild
    Astra wild 20 July 2020 17: 55 New
    +1
    [quote = knn54] There is a lack of KKK. And why don't they burn bucks with portraits of "oppressors"? [/ Quote
    From the point of view of socialism, the CookKlusKlan is bad, but from the point of view of common sense it must be done
    1. Gato
      Gato 20 July 2020 18: 09 New
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      Quote: Astra wild
      From the point of view of socialism, the CookKlusKlan is bad, but from the point of view of common sense it must be done

      Um .. Why? I wonder what would have done comrades. J.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria, if such events had happened in the United States during their stay? Would you really care about the revival of the KKK?
  13. Gato
    Gato 20 July 2020 18: 05 New
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    Crowds of protesters, without a twinge of conscience, destroying monuments to the founders of American statehood

    What a woe! Is the author really very sorry about this?
  14. Junior Private
    Junior Private 20 July 2020 18: 11 New
    -1
    To appeal to Americans for History and its understanding, together with other sciences, is a doomed occupation. Mass education in the USA is of the same story, very superficial and often deceitful. Americans mentally do not know and do not respect History, and their monuments do not matter.
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 08 New
      -2
      Suffice it to recall the press conference of Jane Psaki and the statement of the African-American congresswoman (he forgot his last name) about the events in Limpopo, where the pro-Russian Aibolit overthrew the legitimate President Barmaley. What can we say about ordinary Americans ... After all, they taught and teach better here. In the exam, the questions are not so simple ...
  15. bandabas
    bandabas 20 July 2020 18: 15 New
    0
    And the guys in the "skin" poured vodka with a snack with cutlets. Everything for the plebs. Odnokashniki told. Have an internship at ZIL ..
  16. VIP
    VIP 20 July 2020 18: 16 New
    +1
    The creation of a state on the territory of the States similar to South Sudan will not, in the first place, be desired by the Negroes themselves.
    1. Nikolai Korovin
      Nikolai Korovin 20 July 2020 19: 04 New
      0
      Whether they want it or not, this does not change matters. Everything that depends on them, they do for this. But what will happen is unclear.
  17. tatra
    tatra 20 July 2020 18: 20 New
    -2
    For 30 years, an empty space on the site of the monument to Dzerzhinsky on the Lubyanka, on which trees are erected only on New Year's, is a symbol of the ideology of the enemies of the communists - their history of their centuries-old country is EMPTY. They are an anomaly not only in comparison with the Soviet people, but also with the people in pre-revolutionary Russia.
  18. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 18: 26 New
    -3
    Quote: _Sergey_
    And how did Dzerzhinsky interfere with the Emergency Committee? Or how is this related? It's just that some of their brains dried up from permissiveness and no one was able to correct them.

    It was the GKChP that the monument to Dzerzhinsky did not interfere in any way - it was neither cold, not hot then - it was not up to the monument then - I speak as a participant in those events hi
    But when every ... let's call it - political - "evil" with shaking hands - put in a tower - then the people "got loose" on the monument laughing
  19. VIP
    VIP 20 July 2020 18: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Ros 56
    So maybe Stankevich secretly advised the striped, too quickly their monuments began to fall.

    So he sold out to blacks ??! Well then, what to call this? What are the names of street women, I know, but a man who sold himself black?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 20 July 2020 19: 37 New
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      Quote: V I P
      Well then, what should I call this? What are the names of street women, I know, but man, what has sold to black?

      Liberal? smile
  20. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 19: 48 New
    0
    Quote: tatra
    Oh, this eternal hypocritical "pathos" of the enemies of the Bolshevik-Communists, who constantly do what they accuse the Bolshevik-Communists of, and believe that they themselves have every right to do so, and when they themselves are accused of this, they cowardly "shift the arrows "-" Well, after all, the Communist Bolsheviks did the same. " And now already "in the afternoon with fire" you will not find those who happily hooted at the demolition of the monument to Dzerzhinsky,fled to the White House to defend Yeltsin in August 1991. They are all cowardly silent. And then they walked around Moscow as "gogols" and pestered people "and where were you in August 1991, why didn't you go to the White House to defend Yeltsin?"

    Let's discuss the words from your post that I highlighted bold font! drinks
    What to go far - here I am, the "villain", and I'm not hiding !!! soldier
    Only you mixed in one heap many different factors !!!
    For me, in 1991, the State Emergency Committee was, by and large, a damn thing - I then plowed as a student in the summer as dad carlo, making money for myself and my family, I was not up to politics! bully
    And I went - and brought some 20 friends from our hostel - when I personally heard on the telly that the gkchpists were gathering US !!! army students !!! send in 2 weeks for potatoes !!! am laughing
    As soon as I said about ours - we collected 30 boxes of commercials in the evening !!! empty bottles in the hostel and rushed to the White House to "defend Yeltsin" wassat Fighting brotherhood - you won’t drink it! drinks (they made a Molotov cocktail from empty bottles at the site at the White House) - the tanks were already across the river 100 meters away ... we were going to defend ourselves ...

    And what has you got to do with us - young army students "- now" roll the barrels "?))) The GKChPists would have kept silent then about potatoes - and figs would I hit my finger then bully

    But there is something to remember ...)))) I got into the lead tank then, while the soldiers were "clapping their ears" and saw the White House in the sight of the tank - I will tell my grandchildren soldier The first and last time I was sitting in the tank, I finally have 90 meters, then the soldiers pulled me out of the hatch under the ensigns' matyuki - I wouldn’t get out myself - it’s very crowded for my height bully it’s good that the ensign came to be a peasant - I would have in my place I would have beaten myself with lyuli to death)))
    1. tatra
      tatra 21 July 2020 09: 23 New
      -3
      A monstrous story. Yes, some for the sake of a large German ration betrayed their homeland to the Great Patriotic War, fled to grovel before the invaders of their homeland, while others, because they were too lazy to go "for potatoes," betrayed their homeland, helped to seize it to criminals and enemies of the country and the people.
  21. VIP
    VIP 20 July 2020 19: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: V I P
    Well then, what should I call this? What are the names of street women, I know, but man, what has sold to black?

    Liberal? smile

    And FIG knows. Maybe libiral, or maybe a fagot. He is just waiting for the black one to stick a "leather syringe" in him.
  22. barin
    barin 20 July 2020 20: 27 New
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    Once destroyed, it means someone needs it. The main thing is not to stop.
  23. cabbage
    cabbage 20 July 2020 20: 35 New
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    Monuments to dudes are not modern. Much more tolerant is the monument to "Black Boot". Anyone can come up, kneel and snuggle.
  24. APASUS
    APASUS 20 July 2020 20: 51 New
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    Primitive thinking of the Black Lives Matter, like demolition of monuments, will be able to change their social status
  25. 1536
    1536 21 July 2020 00: 15 New
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    Was an eyewitness of the demolition of the monument to F.E. Dzerzhinsky. That day I was walking from work on the street. Kirov (in the past and now st. Myasnitskaya), went to the square then still called the Dzerzhinsky square. One can say that a crowd of many thousands has gathered. More than a thousand people gathered for sure. But nothing more. Half-drunk boys of 20-25 years old threw a noose on the statue, tied it to the ZIL, pulled it. The rope snapped, nearly hitting the nearby citizens. An official from the Moscow City Council came and tried to persuade the "activists" not to do something stupid. As I remember now, his words spoken into a megaphone: "What are you doing? There is a subway under us, the monument is heavy, falling, it can damage communications, crush people ... We will remove it centrally, we have already called a crane." It all looked as if they wanted to protect the distraught people from themselves. I left, it was pointless to watch what was happening. Late in the evening I watched on TV as the monument was being removed with a huge crane. But then standing on the square, I was waiting, probably many others were waiting for the doors of the building to open, in front of which there was a monument to F.E. Dzerzhinsky, a detachment of armed people will come out from there (they were supposed to protect their symbol and country) and this drunken sabbath in the center of Moscow will stop. Alas! Apparently, the "knights of the cloak and dagger" at least decided not to interfere. Well, that's right, people are military, they have no right to use weapons without a command. And if the Bolsheviks had a plan for the ideological education of the people, when in 1917-1918. were removed from the pedestals by decree of the Central Committee of the RCP (b) statues of tsars and commanders who "stained" themselves in front of the people, what plan was the then party leadership of the USSR and the RSFSR, as well as the Moscow rulers, God only knows.
    Probably the same is happening today in the United States. Everyone is waiting for something, someone stares blankly, someone just lives, works, raises children, cares for the elderly, studies. Well, or he goes to rallies and protests, as a person who sincerely wants to change something in life. And someone is catching a fish in troubled water, hoping in the future to bring to life the slogan "who was nothing, he will become everything." Conclusion: all this comes from poverty and the inability to get out of this poverty, because all the roads to get out are blocked. And this is happening in the freest and most democratic country. In a word, gentlemen Americans have sunk.
  26. Pavel57
    Pavel57 21 July 2020 00: 44 New
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    That the period when the monuments to the tsars were demolished, that the period when the monument to Dzerzhinsky was demolished was marked by a redistribution of property under beautiful slogans.
  27. begemot20091
    begemot20091 21 July 2020 05: 59 New
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    Quote: savage1976
    Andrei Dmitrievich Sakharov (21.05.1921/14.12.1989/1953 - 1956/1962/1966), an outstanding Soviet theoretical physicist who took part in the creation of a thermonuclear bomb, Hero of Socialist Labor (1967, 1970, 1980), human rights defender (from XNUMX - XNUMX), subjected to repression, persecution and bullying by the KGB of the USSR in the XNUMXs - XNUMXs, Russian democrat.

    awesome repression: Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences (1953). In the same year at the age of 32 he was elected a full member of the Academy of Sciences, becoming the second youngest at the time of his election as an academician in the history of the USSR Academy of Sciences (after S. L. Sobolev) [13]. The recommendation accompanying the presentation to academicians was signed by Academician I.V. Kurchatov and Corresponding Members of the USSR Academy of Sciences Yu.B. Khariton and Y.B. assignments of the Government Sakharov Andrei Dmitrievich was awarded the second gold medal "Hammer and Sickle" ..... And insanity would not have started, he would have received even more awards ... Everything he had was given by the Soviet government and Stalin and Beria (curator of the atomic design) including.
  28. Alexander Chirukhin
    Alexander Chirukhin 21 July 2020 06: 44 New
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    Demolish, break, bomb ...

    First, you need to offer something sensible to create, build
    Otherwise it is anarchism, as in the textbook
  29. AB
    AB 21 July 2020 11: 54 New
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    With the loss of the monument to Dzerzhinsky, the square lost its dominant, the monument "kept" it both from an architectural point of view and from an aesthetic point of view. And now it is just an empty place, where the Reindeer Breeder periodically erects either a New Year tree or incomprehensible art objects.
    The monument to Dzerzhinsky, representing aesthetic, general cultural and historical value, was removed to the backyard of Muzeon Park.

    But at the very entrance "C" to the Branch of the Tretyakov Gallery on Krymskiy Val (Muzeon park) there is a true monument to all shitcrats. Not bearing no aesthetic, general cultural, or historical value. Just a painted bulldozer with the flags of our sworn "friends".
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 21 July 2020 13: 14 New
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      And what should he symbolize: blunt destruction? Or: dad threw the bulldozer, and Little Johnny is learning to draw.
  30. xomaNN
    xomaNN 21 July 2020 13: 03 New
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    The author recalled the "foolishness" of the turbid foam of the early 90s, after which the Russian Federation "fell down" and sold everything. angry I wish the same to our "pseudo-girls" - the Yankees
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    The boomerang always returns to whoever threw it! hi
  31. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 21 July 2020 23: 10 New
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    Quote: tatra
    A monstrous story. Yes, some for the sake of a large German ration betrayed their homeland to the Great Patriotic War, fled to grovel before the invaders of their homeland, while others, because they were too lazy to go "for potatoes," betrayed their homeland, helped to seize it to criminals and enemies of the country and the people.

    We did not betray our Motherland - we each of our company gave 2 years to the Motherland !!! soldier And they served wherever the Motherland sent us !!! good

    And two ... Just take it for granted !!! bully And now I would have done the same = BECAUSE ARMENIANS CANNOT BE SENDED TO A POTATO !!! stop AND THIS IS AN ANSWER TO AN UNRESENTED QUESTION - "WE WERE THERE WERE THERE, OR NOT" tongue
  32. Serpet
    Serpet 23 July 2020 12: 47 New
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    I don't see anything wrong with the US destroying part of its history. Let's consider this as an atonement before the cynically deceived countries of the "third world"
  33. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 23 July 2020 13: 57 New
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    The statue of Decata is next in line, I'm looking forward to it !!!