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The sunken floating dock PD-50 was never raised

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Soon two years ago, as a result of an accident at a shipyard in the Murmansk region, the floating dock PD-50 sank. They promise to raise it for a long time, but so far the matter has not progressed beyond promises. Should we expect the dock to be raised in the foreseeable future?


The fact that the floating dock will certainly not only be raised, but also restored, officials announced almost immediately after the accident. Raising PD-50 is required, according to them, to ensure free entry into the harbor and the work of the ship repair enterprise. Vladimir Gusev, chairman of the committee for ensuring the safety of the population of the Murmansk region, then, in 2018, said that the necessary equipment and all the resources to raise the dock are available. Denis Manturov, a higher-ranking official, Minister of Industry and Trade, said the same thing, saying that the sunken dock impedes the normal functioning of the 82nd shipyard.

Then, in December 2019, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Yuri Borisov said that the dock would need to be raised for environmental reasons, but they would not restore it, because it was not built in Russia, and indeed it is “morally outdated” for our time.

But, as we see, almost 2 years have passed, and the situation does not change. There is no information that the PD-50 is going to be lifted in the near future in the foreseeable access. However, even then, in 2018, apart from the statements of officials, there was no substantive discussion of raising the dock. It follows from this that for the Russian shipbuilding and the Naval fleet the question of raising the PD-50 is not of fundamental importance.

Meanwhile, PD-50 was the only dock on which the only Russian aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov" could also be serviced. There are problems with floating docks of this type in the country, and this circumstance also raises concerns.

The president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, in an interview with the Polygon Says Moscow program, said that it was decided to build a new dry dock to carry out further work on Kuznetsov and other ships of the Northern Fleet. As for the PD-50 dock, it is under the jurisdiction of the 82nd shipyard, so everything will depend on the decision taken by the owner, and at present the plant, as you know, belongs to the structure of Rosneft.


The only Russian aircraft carrier was repaired at PD-50 floating dock

It is clear that even if we do not talk about restoring the dock, lifting it from a 60-meter depth is a complicated and expensive business. It is unlikely that the structures of Rosneft would like the financing of such an event, especially since back in December 2019 the government made it clear that they would not restore the dock, but focus on creating new docks, and not only a dry dock for the Northern Fleet, which is said head of OSK, but also floating docks for the Pacific Fleet and the Baltic Fleet.

The economic problems that Russia faced as a result of the collapse in oil prices and the coronavirus pandemic, of course, affected the planned spending, forcing to make its own adjustments to existing plans. In the current situation, raising the dock still appears to be an optional task: "it lies to itself and lies, but we will always have time to lift it" - something like this can be said about the fate of the PD-50 both in the government and in the corporation.

Ultimately, now everything will depend on what are the plans for the further use of the 82nd shipyard. If it is planned to continue to be heavily used, which, incidentally, has also been stated, then you want to - do not want to, but you have to raise the dock - it prevents full access to the harbor. If there are no global plans for the future plant, then in this case, the lifting of the dock may be postponed indefinitely.
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  1. military_cat
    military_cat 20 July 2020 11: 28 New
    25
    It was expected. The uplifting talk was more like trying to "think positively" and push forward a positive agenda, with little grounded in it.
    1. figwam
      figwam 20 July 2020 11: 32 New
      -23
      A new one will be built, it’s already clear.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 July 2020 12: 46 New
        13
        The question is where will it be built ....? .. It was actually built by the Swedes ... The North could not, they were not imprisoned under the docks ... The South could not (now Ukrainian) were overwhelmed with military orders, and even drag such a dock around Europe, the North is more expensive ... Ordered from the Swedes ...
        1. figwam
          figwam 20 July 2020 12: 50 New
          -3
          Quote: parusnik
          The question is where will it be built ....?

          Dry dock in Murmansk.
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Crimea26
            Crimea26 20 July 2020 20: 51 New
            +1
            There they expand (and lengthen) the already built dry dock. Expand due to the nearby standing the same dry, and lengthen due to the shore (crashing into it). It is no longer possible to completely "hollow out" the shore; they managed to build "leather ub-yuki" houses.
        2. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 20 July 2020 19: 34 New
          +2
          in the ussr, the aspdr of the baltic shipping company towed the floating dock from the quiet to the baltic and nothing, the icebreaker bmp lisyansky acted as a tug
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 July 2020 11: 37 New
      36
      Rosneft can spend money on all kinds of nonsense, but it’s simply not able to raise the dock managers.
      I’m also unlikely to be able to build a new dock in Russia, it remains only to order from the Chinese or in Korea.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 20 July 2020 11: 45 New
        0
        .. the soldier is sleeping - the service is in progress ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 20 July 2020 11: 59 New
          26
          Quote: ver_
          ... the soldier is sleeping - the service is in progress ...

          Yeah, the barn burned down, burn down and the hut. Rosneft can calmly sell a non-core asset to some offshore company that will disassemble it for scrap and take the loot offshore, so kiddies in milk.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 13: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            an offshore company that will disassemble it for scrap and take the loot offshore

            In Ukraine, the largest floating dock-4-meter (163M or dock No. 2002), which sank in XNUMX, has not yet been raised, and no one wants to cut it up. Even if the Ukrainians have not sold it for scrap metal, it means that the business is not profitable.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 23 July 2020 11: 34 New
            +1
            ... urya - the bell began to work ...
      2. figwam
        figwam 20 July 2020 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        it remains only to order from the Chinese or in Korea.

        There have been reports that the Chinese will build.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 12: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: figvam
          There have been reports that the Chinese will build.

          It was a fake about the Chinese. A dry dock at the 35th shipyard for an aircraft-carrying cruiser is being built.
          1. figwam
            figwam 20 July 2020 12: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            A dry dock is under construction at the 35th shipyard for the aircraft-carrying cruiser.

            That's good, you need to build such things at home.
            1. Genry
              Genry 20 July 2020 13: 00 New
              -1
              Quote: figvam
              such things must be built at home.

              Therefore, they buy a bankrupt shipyard from the Indians.
              Both the enterprise and the technology.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 20 July 2020 18: 11 New
                +1
                Well, let's say the turkeys build a floating dock. And how to drag him from there to Murmansk? Like, half a calf across the sea, but a ruble ferry?
                1. Genry
                  Genry 20 July 2020 18: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nagan
                  Well, let's say the turkeys build a floating dock. And how to drag him from there to Murmansk

                  What for? Floating docks are needed for those who do not have enough dry ones (they are being built now).
                  Each shipbuilder should have several dry docks specific to the type of product. And the equipment is much higher and the delivery of parts is better and easier.
          2. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 21 July 2020 13: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            It was a fake about the Chinese ...


            Here it is worth clarifying that the information that the floating dock is being built for us has not been confirmed, but the fact that the Chinese are not building it is not a fake, it is being built, just not for us.
      3. NIKN
        NIKN 20 July 2020 12: 30 New
        11
        Quote: Stroporez
        Rosneft can spend money on all sorts of nonsense


        A disservice is when roads, education, and medical care are required.
        services, but offer nanotechnology, USE and national projects.
      4. barin
        barin 20 July 2020 12: 57 New
        12
        Quote: Stroporez
        Rosneft can spend money on all kinds of nonsense, but it’s simply not able to raise the dock managers.

        Hence, it turns out that they will be raised or cut at the bottom when Rosneft wants it. Or until he gets a kick.
      5. Russian Bear_2
        Russian Bear_2 20 July 2020 13: 47 New
        -1
        But how to drag him north?
        1. ver_
          ver_ 21 July 2020 11: 41 New
          0
          ... we have to harness the reindeer - we can do it, but through the anus ..
      6. Aag
        Aag 20 July 2020 18: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        Rosneft can spend money on all kinds of nonsense, but it’s simply not able to raise the dock managers.
        I’m also unlikely to be able to build a new dock in Russia, it remains only to order from the Chinese or in Korea.

        Such are the damned realities. The classics of "Marxism-Leninism" have been lost (even T9 is ruled by the entry: Marx St., Izh Mash). I am not an adherent, but after all, the capitalist's craving for profit, sorry, -profit, has been known for a long time. And no exhortations of this fix it!
      7. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 July 2020 19: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        I’m also unlikely to be able to build a new dock in Russia, it remains only to order from the Chinese or in Korea.

        Calm down, in the USSR they also could not and ordered from the Swedes.
      8. ZAV69
        ZAV69 20 July 2020 19: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        Rosneft can spend money on all kinds of nonsense, but it’s simply not able to raise the dock managers.

        Raising this rot will not pay off the cost of the scrap obtained from it.
        1. water
          water 24 July 2020 12: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Stroporez
          I’m also unlikely to be able to build a new dock in Russia, it remains only to order from the Chinese or in Korea.

          Calm down, in the USSR they also could not and ordered from the Swedes.

          About the USSR they could not - not the right word. It was just more expedient to build from the Swedes. But they could lift everything from the bottom, especially the sunken dock from depths of up to 60 meters. It's just that in the current economy, the rise of ships as a direction of activity is absent. Accordingly, there are no specialists or technical means. In the USSR, ship lifting was carried out mainly by the military, more specifically the Search and Rescue Service of the Navy. And now there is no one.
  2. prior
    prior 20 July 2020 11: 40 New
    44
    Raise the float - it’s not for you to amend the constitution to vote, then you won’t get off with chatter.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 July 2020 12: 12 New
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      Quote: prior
      Raise the float - it’s not for you to amend the constitution to vote, then you won’t get off with chatter.

      There was no article about raising the docks in the "old" scraping, and they forgot to amend the "new" one.
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 20 July 2020 11: 44 New
    +5
    Apparently not really needed.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 12: 13 New
      19
      PD-50 sank during a dock operation due to metal corrosion; operation in the North did its job. The casing of the tower could not withstand the water pressure + there was a power outage, while the pumps were already threshing, constantly pumping water out of the rotten floating dock. Due to the age of the tower, the floating dock turned into a sieve and the PD-50 drowned. For 38 years without repair, PD-50 still served + he had a birth injury, which is associated with the operation of pumps. Due to their incorrect operation, at one of the moments of PD-50 testing in Sweden, a water hammer occurred on the hull and PD-50 "floated up with dents." It was noted that the steel sheets of the PD were literally pressed inside, as a result of which they had to be "digested" in an emergency manner. This was a few days before the transfer to Soviet sailors. The PD-50 also suffered damage during transportation to the USSR, when it got into a severe storm. This also required restoration. A similar situation was with the Ukrainians on the German captured floating dock with a carrying capacity of 60 thousand tons (for the battleship Tirpitz), which in the USSR had the number 4M. Krupp's steel held out for the time being, and after more than 65 years of operation, it finally cracked. The dock, the height of a 9-story house sank, sank to the bottom. Today the floating dock 4M is not going to be lifted. Brotherly peoples in one word, common approaches.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 20 July 2020 12: 30 New
        +4
        Moreover, it is not needed.
        Thanks for the detailed help.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 12: 57 New
          17
          Two floating docks of the Murmansk Shipyard / SRZ-1 have not yet been raised in Murmansk. 20 years will soon be sunk. You can see them from space. Nobody wants anything. Even the sunken nuclear submarines K-159 and K-27 are only going to be raised for disposal in the 20s.
          1. Dante
            Dante Alighieri 20 July 2020 18: 02 New
            +8
            Yeah, we don’t have our own Ernest Cox, who, having no experience, managed to raise an entire German fleet from the bottom with bare enthusiasm. True, for him it was a fleet of the defeated enemy, who was not sorry then to put on needles. Although here, in principle, too, a kind of victory - a victory over common sense and mastery
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 20 July 2020 19: 53 New
              +1
              The cost of the scrap received will not pay off the cost of lifting. Cox raised battleships during the time, there was a lot of metal there. And how much metal is in the floating dock? And there is no shit there
              1. Dante
                Dante Alighieri 20 July 2020 21: 24 New
                +4
                It's not about value, it's about enthusiasm and the desire to do something, which compensates for the lack of experience. Coke is also on the verge of profitability, all this turned and even though in the end it turned out to be a plus, there were still a lot of costs. But they were driven not only by the pursuit of profit, but also by the excitement of “if I can”, “and whether I can handle it”.
                We have neither the desire nor the will to do this, although it’s clear to the fool that the presence of such large structures at the bottom in the area of ​​intensive shipping will not lead to anything good. In the Arctic, it seemed to work out well, but there was close external monitoring by European eco-activists, and you can even erect multi-apartment buildings in your own nuclear repositories - the biomass will be erased again.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 21 July 2020 11: 48 New
        0
        ... a bad dancer always gets * bells * in the way ... and as soon as the forelocks don't lose them? ...
  4. iouris
    iouris 20 July 2020 11: 45 New
    15
    Chicago Boys is a company.
    Since May 28, 2014, Alexey Lvovich Rakhmanov has been the President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.
    Alexey Rakhmanov was born on July 18, 1964.
    In 1986, he graduated from the Automotive Department of the Nizhny Novgorod State Technical University with a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
    Later, he received a diploma from the Nizhny Novgorod Linguistic University with a degree in “Translator”, received additional education at the School of Business of the University of Chicago, receiving a specialty “Master of Business Administration”.
    In 1996, at the Ernst & Young international audit and consulting company, he held the position of Corporate Finance Manager at the Moscow office of the company. In 1998 he became a senior consultant in the corporate finance department of the company in London. Since 2000, he got a job as a senior manager of the corporate finance department in Moscow.
    Lisa Peskova said that at the end of her studies in Paris, she intends to engage in “legal proceedings” (production of ships).
    This is not me, this is on the Internet.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 July 2020 11: 56 New
      32
      Quote: iouris
      Lisa Peskova said that at the end of her studies in Paris, she intends to engage in “legal proceedings” (production of ships).

      Lisa Peskova, also a French citizen, just like her dad, is too stupid to do anything at all, except to take selfies in the institute. "Golden, damn it, youth" of the Putin era.
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 20 July 2020 12: 03 New
        20
        Quote: Stroporez
        Lisa Peskova, who is also a citizen of France, just like her dad, is too dumb to do anything at all,

        You have described the ideal official of the Putin government.
        1. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
          evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 20 July 2020 18: 03 New
          11
          No officials, Gtazdanin. Gubastenky, aunties, and thick-assed, uncles, in civilian and military uniforms - no officials. So ... - Parod i. To whom did they take the oath? What do they have to do with the Army, Navy, Air Force? What do they know about the honor of an officer, how can they realize this knowledge?
          and n and me?
          In this regard, the current state ,, Capitalist Russia ,, (,, RK ,,) that ,, rules ,, on the territory of the country
          Russia and the, more primitive state ,, Russian Empire ,, beginning of the XVIII (!) Century.
          Trade is not viable "construction" - that's what "RK" is. The prophet Abel, who lived at the turn of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, called it coarser and more precisely - the "Yid yoke".
          ,, Almost two years ,, can not deal with the sunken dock.
          But they are supposedly in love with capitalism. They cheerfully led the country along this path 30 - 35 years ago. Where is the success? Where are the achievements, ,, capitalists ,, (so-and-so)? In the prime of prostitution and gambling? In the cultivation of super-rich for the first lines ,, Forbes ,,?
          All ,, successes ,, ,, RK ,, in the second hundred world ratings.
          “Capitalism” is different. ,, Ordinary nonhumans ,, (,, UFO ,,) - one thing is understood by this concept. For PEOPLE it is different. The socio-political system, as well as the nistrumen t. All-only.
          This OPS CAN give (and maybe take away) unique opportunities for people to develop, create, and fly. As he gave them, for example, to the citizens of the state ,, PRC ,,. Or ,, USA ,, more than 100 years ago.
          By the way, in about two years, the US state has built the most powerful aircraft carrier, Midway. With a displacement of 60 tons, a length of 000 meters, a width of 295 meters, and a flight deck height of 41 meters.
          193 (!) Mm of armor - the thickness of the side, 160 mm - bulkheads ... And this is the middle of the 40s of the LAST century!
          Can you imagine where the country of Russia has RAPED under the sensitive leadership of all these, m and l I g, all e and x, Chubais,, gref,, katsev,,, rotenbergs ,,, ,, Mendels ,,?
          And now another question is urgently on the agenda: ,, But what about us? ”
          1. ver_
            ver_ 21 July 2020 11: 54 New
            0
            ... well, what do you really want from the humanities - their place is in the buffet ..
      2. Sergey V.
        Sergey V. 21 July 2020 09: 48 New
        +4
        Well, you think that she is stupid. I am sure neither she nor her dad categorically agree with this point of view. And that means they will find her an important position. As well as the sons of Rogozin and Patrushev, for example.
        Yeltsin's head of security, Korzhakov, called Zolotov an oligophrenic (Zolotov served under him). And you look - the commander of the Russian Guard.
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 20 July 2020 12: 45 New
      17
      I watched an interview with Liza Peskova. Only for her, legal proceedings and shipbuilding seem to be the same! The Frenchwoman does not seem to distinguish between a court and a ship!
      1. Aag
        Aag 20 July 2020 19: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
        I watched an interview with Liza Peskova. Only for her, legal proceedings and shipbuilding seem to be the same! The Frenchwoman does not seem to distinguish between a court and a ship!

        Fucking realities!
        "He who does not swear, and does not drink, does not follow the situation in the country."
        And after that they talk about Brezhnev's stagnation ?!
        Well, yes. Of course, stagnation. There was no such activity in drinking, theft ...
        Excesses, flaws, I don’t deny ... And now? Even on this site. It is worth paying attention to one of the problems, they are easily recorded among the employees of the State Department, or, which, in my opinion, is more terrible, among the Banderaites.
        I would like to draw the attention of the false patriots to the fact that the ostrich, hiding his head in the sand, leaves the defenseless. Or, in the light of new realities, is it shameless to trade in this?
    3. Aag
      Aag 20 July 2020 19: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      Chicago Boys is a company.
      Since May 28, 2014, Alexey Lvovich Rakhmanov has been the President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.
      Alexey Rakhmanov was born on July 18, 1964.
      In 1986, he graduated from the Automotive Department of the Nizhny Novgorod State Technical University with a degree in Mechanical Engineering.
      Later, he received a diploma from the Nizhny Novgorod Linguistic University with a degree in “Translator”, received additional education at the School of Business of the University of Chicago, receiving a specialty “Master of Business Administration”.
      In 1996, at the Ernst & Young international audit and consulting company, he held the position of Corporate Finance Manager at the Moscow office of the company. In 1998 he became a senior consultant in the corporate finance department of the company in London. Since 2000, he got a job as a senior manager of the corporate finance department in Moscow.
      Lisa Peskova said that at the end of her studies in Paris, she intends to engage in “legal proceedings” (production of ships).
      This is not me, this is on the Internet.

      And so bleak, you are still here!))) hi
  5. Mytholog
    Mytholog 20 July 2020 11: 45 New
    17
    It will lie down for a couple of years, and the point of raising it will completely disappear.
    The dock rots at the bottom - the problem is "solved". Effectively, economically, you don’t need to lift an ass from a chair either.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 12: 42 New
      10
      PD-50 rots under water, it is not visible, eyes are not corns, and okay.
  6. Senior manager
    Senior manager 20 July 2020 11: 59 New
    +2
    Someone is lobbying hard for PD-50 at the bottom.
    1. iouris
      iouris 20 July 2020 12: 00 New
      +2
      Nah, it’s itself: it happened.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2
        SOVIET UNION 2 20 July 2020 12: 47 New
        +9
        Shaw !? Again!? Nasyalnik is not to blame !? laughing
  7. Snail N9
    Snail N9 20 July 2020 12: 01 New
    23
    Remember how in the famous cartoon? "There will be a reward for business" ... In Russia:
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 July 2020 12: 02 New
      19
      Quote: Snail N9
      "There will be a reward for business" ... In Russia:

      What disgusting faces they all have ...
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 20 July 2020 12: 08 New
        14
        And where did it start ..... "lifting from the knees" ....
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 20 July 2020 12: 16 New
          19
          Quote: Snail N9
          And where did it start ..... "lifting from the knees" ....

          The characters in the photo argue what can be sold and stolen in St. Petersburg and the wafer so malad that the heart is anxious in the chest.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 20 July 2020 12: 24 New
            10
            "Never liberals" surrounded by "non-liberals" .... Never a "fifth column" .... laughing And what is the look of the character, which is on the far right .... -no, the place of the "duel" is looking out ".... wink
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 20 July 2020 12: 26 New
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              Quote: Snail N9
              And what is the look of the character who is on the far right ...

              Dreams of how he will resell cabbage at exorbitant prices laughing
            2. Dante
              Dante Alighieri 20 July 2020 17: 41 New
              +4
              One to One Zolotov
    2. SOVIET UNION 2
      SOVIET UNION 2 20 July 2020 12: 51 New
      12
      What? And there were few awards handed out? It seems that Gorbachev received something from his own hands! And the bearded dissident is not forgotten and immortalized! And Defense Minister Serdyukov was awarded the award! And it seems that Tolik was not forgotten about nano despite his nano!
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 23 July 2020 20: 16 New
        +1
        I hope the severity of these awards will drag them to the bottom, where they belong ...
  8. Alien From
    Alien From 20 July 2020 12: 11 New
    +1
    Saboteurs! Rosneft nevermind on this dock!
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2020 12: 37 New
    +6
    If there are no global plans for the future of the plant, then the raising of the dock may be postponed indefinitely.
    .... The future belongs to Rosneft smile Rosneft, why does it need a floating dock, it does not need a floating dock, not a tanker ...
  10. Igor Vladimirovich
    Igor Vladimirovich 20 July 2020 12: 47 New
    +4
    Building new floating docks or raising an old one is of course global and interesting. But let me assume that the problem is deeper here. It seems that it's time for someone to end the bad habit of patching up their flaws and maintaining their property at the expense of the state. The hat was not according to Senka, or the performer was fashionable, not contracted. Too many stocks for one upgrade. One thing comes to mind, it's a pity the long-suffering "Admiral Kuznetsov", he has no luck either with us or at all.
  11. Hikaro
    Hikaro 20 July 2020 12: 47 New
    +3
    The condition of the dock is of course deplorable! Then I understood the question of the advisability of raising it! Everything is linked to the further fate of 82 SRZ! If this plant did not give up to the owner, which most likely is, then everything will be abandoned and left, and after us even a flood! If they see that they can still grab the dough on repair orders, they will have to raise it! In general, everything looks very sad!
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 13: 07 New
      +3
      hi PD-50 also hit the ground at an angle, it only remains to be lifted in parts. The question is how much it will cost.
      1. water
        water 24 July 2020 12: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        hi PD-50 also hit the ground at an angle, it only remains to be lifted in parts. The question is how much it will cost.

        The diving survey of the dock seems to have been carried out, but I have not seen the results. Accordingly, the cost of lifting it is not a definite value. After all, it's one thing: to seal, blow through, towed and thrown aground, and then cut. And it is quite another to cut it into sections on the spot and then lift it.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 24 July 2020 13: 53 New
          0
          It looks like you have to cut and lift on the spot. The Mammut company could have raised it.
  12. demo
    demo 20 July 2020 12: 49 New
    11
    Raising such crap from the bottom is not a whim - it's a necessity.
    It has been said that it interferes with shipping.
    Anyway.
    But how many years have passed since the death of TU 154 with the ensemble. Alexandrova near Sochi?
    The investigation is over. But the reasons that led to such a tragic ending are classified.
    What is the reason for this secrecy?
    Why classify what needs to be voiced?
    What's so secret?
    The secrecy of carelessness is one thing.
    But if there is a fact of sabotage - that's another thing.
    But both must be presented to people.
    Or will they be shelved again in order to present a claim to someone at the "right" moment?

    It is from such "facts" that a persistent aversion to the present sweetness is formed.
    Nobody wants to tell the truth.
    Everyone lies and dodges.
    1. 5-9
      5-9 20 July 2020 18: 23 New
      -3
      Well, why and who needs the truth in both cases? I mean real? Only for PR and so that one group uses it against another ...
      For the fun of the populi to bring the deputy minister to their knees, and to broadcast "despise me gentlemen - I'm a scoundrel"? Well, they will put it, and not the fact that the really guilty one ..
      Investigated, made conclusions ... According to the dock, 90% of the conclusion: old, if not a flood before a great miracle. there is no other, so Kuzya was put in it .. no dough ...
      1. demo
        demo 20 July 2020 18: 37 New
        +8
        Those. do you think that the power in the country belongs to the GROUP?
        And at the head of the groups are -?
        Okay - that's right, by the way.

        I, you, we need the truth.
        It is impossible to live in an atmosphere of lies.
        Any normal person cannot constantly exist while realizing the truth - AUTHORITY LIES CONSTANTLY.

        Once upon a time, I read the book "Body Language" long enough.
        By Allan Pease.
        There is one interesting section there.
        How our body betrays itself when trying to lie.
        Small children, not yet realizing that "you need to watch your hands," when pronouncing an obvious lie, cover their mouth with their palm.
        This disappears with age, but not completely.
        Instead of covering the mouth with a hand, politicians or officials involuntarily raise their hands to their faces, but instead of closing their mouths, they scratch the tip of their nose, eyebrow, and touch the eyelid.
        Those. the desire to tell the truth in a person is inherently laid.
        But lying is an acquired quality.
        I told this in order to draw your attention to how our leaders, including Putin, behave at non-protocol events, where they sometimes receive very tricky questions.
        Sick of how often everyone lies.
        1. 5-9
          5-9 20 July 2020 18: 42 New
          0
          When you find a country, you may not even have one today, in which the elite and the authorities cut the truth, uterus with cool populi with or without populations, let me know ... And if there are flying ponies that have violets instead of dung ...
          1. demo
            demo 20 July 2020 18: 57 New
            +6
            There is no such and I will not look.
            The thing is different.

            In a normal state, I exist as those who lead (and lie, on occasion) and those who expose them.
            Sometimes a politician official who has lied is kicked out of the ass.
            Ours is a bit tight with the whistleblowers.
            1. 5-9
              5-9 20 July 2020 19: 02 New
              -2
              They’re screwing and sitting down one governor right on the air ... do you miss mass repressions? And in principle, someone should be shot for a sunken dock and a crashed plane?
              1. demo
                demo 20 July 2020 19: 13 New
                +6
                Shooting is an extreme.
                Only for the most gifted person should be applied.
                Everything is quite simple.
                Found the culprit?
                FULL NAME. voiced?
                Punishment declared?
                Are those who made promises and made statements known?
                Who made the promises and failed to fulfill them was fired?
                Is bloodthirstiness traced in my sentences?
                The usual requirements for the usual (in the figurative sense of the word) situation.
                Guilty - punished.
                He promised to do and did not do - he was fired.

                But when the guilt is known, but the guilty continues to live the same life, with the knowledge that his guilt can at any time be transferred from the category of knowledge to the category of punishment, then this situation is beneficial, first of all, not to him, but to the one who directs , or stops the hand of justice.
                It is precisely the one who created such a vicious system - the main culprit of our troubles.
              2. AUL
                AUL 20 July 2020 19: 54 New
                +5
                Quote: 5-9
                ... you lack massive repression? And someone, in principle, must be shot for a drowned dock and a crashed plane?

                Do you propose not to pay attention to "minor flaws in the work"? For some - indeed, it would be necessary to shoot. For others - to drive you home from work. Or demoted to the level of a cleaning lady. And impunity breeds irresponsibility with all the consequences!
        2. UIZ2002
          UIZ2002 23 July 2020 20: 25 New
          -1
          Well, I'm sick, go hug the toilet. The topic is somewhat different. From you anti-Putin, as well as Putin is no longer breathing. You are everywhere.
          1. demo
            demo 23 July 2020 20: 39 New
            +1
            That's straight and I don't know how to answer you - as a well-mannered person or as an uncultured cattle?
            Okay.
            I will pretend that you are a cultured person and you are not.
            Putins or anti-Putin are two extremes of our further development. And mine and yours, and all of us.
            It is obvious?
            If these two extremes are absent, then what remains in the bottom line?
            Right ! Nothing.
            The situation in the country is extremely polarized.
            The people fled to the camps - some for Putin, and some against.
            It is very difficult to stay on the sidelines.
            You, dear man, for whom will you be? And whose are you?

            If your breathing is bad, then you better not read. Otherwise, asphyxiation can happen.
            1. UIZ2002
              UIZ2002 23 July 2020 20: 46 New
              -1
              ))) the last paragraph should have been written at the beginning of the text. I wouldn't read it. Trolling me is useless. If you have something to say or discuss on the topic, it is welcome. No, - go to the forest, neolibera sect adept ...
              1. demo
                demo 23 July 2020 21: 36 New
                +1
                You yourself would have said something on your own, without a manual. on the topic, and then demanded from others.

                I was not awarded with any epithets, but an adherent of the neoliberal sect - this is the first time.
                You would have looked at my comments, an eagle flying low, and then you would have hung labels.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 20 July 2020 12: 58 New
    +7
    .The fact that the floating dock will certainly not only be raised, but also restored, officials said almost immediately after the accident

    Many can make statements! To answer for your words ??? With this we have a lot worse!
  14. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 20 July 2020 13: 13 New
    +2
    It seems to me that after 2 years in water it will be more expensive to "restore" than a new one (taking into account the price of lifting, repairing and restoring functions). The dock itself was on fire and outdated for a long time, and the use of a floating dock for serious repair and modernization does not seem to me the most effective solution (although I may be wrong). A stable ground structure for these tasks seems to me much more effective - both in peacetime and in conflict conditions .. it is better to invest in it.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 July 2020 13: 37 New
      +3
      The floating dock is more effective, you can dock something radioactive (emergency submarine, for example) away from the coast. Another thing is that they operate floating docks until they are fully depreciated and flooded.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 21 July 2020 12: 12 New
        0
        ... the armor is strong and ... our tanks are fast ..
  15. Allex
    Allex 20 July 2020 13: 22 New
    -1
    Who needs 50 years old Dutch junk! Saw up and build a new one
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 July 2020 14: 43 New
      +1
      It will be left at the bottom - and in order to cut it, you need to raise it, an acetylene cylinder of 40 liters costs more than 2000 rubles, cutting itself will cost hundreds of millions of rubles, so you can forget about any work with it.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 21 July 2020 12: 21 New
        0
        ... there is a cord explosive .. There are specialists - * cut * the dock with explosions as a cutter of a cloth ..
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 July 2020 19: 45 New
          0
          Yes, and explosives - plastids apparently cost nothing, they are likely to come out even more expensive than acetylene in volume.
  16. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 July 2020 14: 45 New
    0
    And who knows the fate of the docks at the Murmansk shipyard (a miracle of the shipyard), they also drowned, but much earlier. They were repaired more than once. The dock for nuclear icebreakers when will they change? I’m about the one at the seaport, on the left. He, too, for years, God knows how much?
  17. Glaaki
    Glaaki 20 July 2020 17: 46 New
    +1
    It’s just that the updated constitution has not been amended to raise it. If they had made it, they raised it the next day.
  18. Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 20 July 2020 17: 53 New
    +2
    I alone cannot understand what the shipyard has to do with Rosneft?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 20 July 2020 18: 25 New
      0
      This is her property. I bought Rosneft a toy for myself - a floating dock.
  19. 5-9
    5-9 20 July 2020 18: 15 New
    0
    For RN this is a social burden .... More or less, the shipbuilding business is a Star.
    Kuzya is a suitcase without a handle ... And a training suitcase .. It’s heavy, expensive and don’t understand why ..
    1. UIZ2002
      UIZ2002 23 July 2020 20: 30 New
      0
      I completely agree with your opinion.
  20. Ersh
    Ersh 20 July 2020 19: 33 New
    -1
    And if without emotion and without "Putin is to blame for everything," "all around one thief"?
    Someone of the most zealous "all-propals" saw something like this "alive"? This is not a bucket that drowned from a well to get! Such a dock is a colossus! Big ships get into it, there are a lot of rather complicated equipment on it (not just pumps). Its rise is a complicated and very expensive operation. Do you need to pick up junk? How much money will it take to recover? Isn't it cheaper to build a new one?
    So before screaming and moaning, you need to think and count!
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 20 July 2020 19: 55 New
      +2
      Not. Recovery (don't go to your grandmother) is a utopia.
      Two years to fall under water ... All electrics, equipment, mechanisms, will be defective. And there are kilometers of cable-routes, pumps, generators, pipelines ... Mother dear ... And all the machines are dual-use. Who will sell them to us ?!
      And to fight for the old rusty case ... I'm afraid the game is not worth the candle spent on it. Already.
      And I have not been to it. I have been to PD15 and Pallada. And this one is much bigger.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 20 July 2020 20: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: Ersh
      So before screaming and moaning, you need to think and count!

      And they don’t need it. The main thing is to scream and moan.
  21. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 July 2020 19: 45 New
    +1
    I still said ...
    Now it’s obvious. Doc will be taken out sooner or later. But exclusively for cutting / recycling.
    I hope that not all of the competent gas cutters have been brought out since my time.
  22. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 20 July 2020 19: 47 New
    0
    Words, as always with our officials, diverge from deeds. Only promises. Well, so they have someone to take an example from.
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  24. APASUS
    APASUS 20 July 2020 21: 07 New
    0
    As I understand it, in a place with a lift of PD-50, can the question again arise of the responsibility of decision makers? ,
    And so, he drowned and everything is sewn indoor, they don’t remember! It looks like faces are still at the helm
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 July 2020 21: 34 New
      -2
      What are the solutions? This floating dock has worked its 40 years, forget about it.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 20 July 2020 21: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        What are the solutions? .

        Optimization solutions, when they wrote off the team, they stopped the diesel engine and switched it to external power. Do you know the cause of the accident? And I can explain approximately, the valve didn’t work. And there was nothing to pump out as a counterweight. For PD-50 they didn’t follow it corny.
        Quote: Vadim237
        This floating dock has worked for 40 years, forget about it.

        You could safely forget, there are 10 pieces around the corner and choose which one you like
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 July 2020 19: 48 New
          -1
          He drowned due to the destruction and fatigue of the structure and not because of the actuation of some kind of valve - if necessary, a new one of the same size will be ordered in China, South Korea.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 21 July 2020 21: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            He drowned due to the destruction and fatigue of the structure

            Tired and gone to the bottom?
            The accident, we recall, occurred on the night of October 30, 2018, when power outages were observed in the Murmansk region due to bad weather and wet snow adhesion to power lines. Water began to flow uncontrollably into the ballast tanks of the floating dock in which the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" was located. Which led to a constantly increasing list.
            This could be combated by turning on the evacuation pumps. However, the power supply from the coast was cut off. In such cases, it is supposed to use diesel generators located on the PD-50. But after Shipyard No. 82 was acquired by Rosneft, effective managers optimized costs. As a result, the dock crew was abolished and the purchase of diesel fuel was stopped.

            Will be ordered immediately in ice performance, to lead through the NSR laughing laughing laughing Will we weld Kuzyu to the pier like Aurora at this time?
  25. Alexander Marat
    Alexander Marat 21 July 2020 14: 25 New
    +1
    Nobody will restore this stuff. But for the lifting and disposal of the dock you need money and considerable, as well as technical means.
  26. Serpet
    Serpet 21 July 2020 18: 46 New
    +5
    After the construction of the dry dock at SRZ-35, everyone calmed down with the PD-50. Here you have to order from above.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 July 2020 19: 49 New
      -1
      Everyone has no time for him and no one will raise him.
  27. Alexey Z
    Alexey Z 21 July 2020 21: 07 New
    0
    The costs are even deeper. At first he wrote there that he was lying on the edge of which slope. And they will forget.
  28. Alexey Z
    Alexey Z 21 July 2020 21: 11 New
    0
    They would flood even deeper, they wrote that he was lying on the edge of some cliff. And that’s it. Really ends in water
  29. Sergey Zhukov_2
    Sergey Zhukov_2 22 July 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    In short, nafig nobody needs him)))
  30. Polar Bear
    Polar Bear 22 July 2020 12: 19 New
    +2
    Officials can state whatever they want. But the Russian Federation is not Holland, in the sense of underwater technical ship lifting operations there is no one and nothing.
    1. UIZ2002
      UIZ2002 23 July 2020 20: 38 New
      0
      Yes, what is not only in Russia ... and that is not there and that. And, most importantly, there is no roast rooster. Without it, we "do not get baptized.")))
      1. Polar Bear
        Polar Bear 19 September 2020 11: 52 New
        0
        Even though roosters, even cross, even pray, the dock will not come up from this.
  31. Vestnik
    Vestnik 23 July 2020 21: 42 New
    -1
    I was told that under this article all the libertine of Russia and others gathered whining, while Putin laid the serial ships of the Navy ..?
    And for sure! wassat
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 24 July 2020 16: 16 New
      +1
      Good health, once again hi Really a distracting maneuver, that is, laughing through tears. yes
      1. Vestnik
        Vestnik 24 July 2020 16: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: Rusland
        Good health, once again hi Really a distracting maneuver, that is, laughing through tears. yes

        Thank you namesake hi Wow, they've become a bit of a mischief lately ... laughing
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 24 July 2020 17: 30 New
          +1
          Come on, let them be fierce. Do not bother the admins, they are great in this part, one size fits all, by the way, they seem to have organized another rainbow gang, like those respected guys from the Order.
          1. Vestnik
            Vestnik 24 July 2020 18: 03 New
            -3
            Quote: Rusland
            Come on, let them be fierce. Don't bother the admins, they are great in this part, one size fits all,

            I am silent, their work is hard, there are practically no spam ... good
            Quote: Rusland
            By the way, they seem to have organized another rainbow gang, like those respected guys from the Order.

            This is for sure, they work very effectively, but we are not bastard either.
            It is a pity for the youth only .. they are hammered in at once. negative
            1. Rusland
              Rusland 24 July 2020 18: 52 New
              0
              There are smart girls here, both old and young, though they are immediately crushed by pseudo-communists yes the same arsonists, and then hide their heads in Western cowards, as on the Maidan.
              1. Vestnik
                Vestnik 24 July 2020 20: 17 New
                -3
                Quote: Rusland
                There are smart girls here, both old and young, though they are immediately crushed by pseudo-communists yes the same arsonists, and then hide their heads in Western cowards, as on the Maidan.

                Oh, you are right namesake. hi .How difficult it became here, but it all strengthens all the same
                Recently I remember .. "We will replace their values ​​with our own and then destroy them.!"
  32. Berg berg
    Berg berg 26 July 2020 14: 34 New
    +1
    You cannot raise it yourself, give the task to the Chinese, they will raise it in a week and it will be cheaper! The new one is also needed, but the old one would be useful, but it takes place. And so it rusts and it turns out not ours or yours.