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The first Arab spacecraft went to Mars

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The launch of the spacecraft for Mars exploration took place today. Attention is drawn to the fact that the spacecraft belongs to the United Arab Emirates, and the vast majority of Arab monarchies were not previously particularly interested in space exploration.


The spacecraft was named "Amal" and is planned to be used to study the upper layers of the Martian atmosphere and for climatic changes taking place on the Red Planet.

Amal's mission is timed to coincide with the 50th anniversary of the founding of the UAE state - the declaration of independence from Great Britain.

In the Arab media, the dispatch of the Amal spacecraft to Mars is receiving increased attention. It is noted that this is the first Arab spacecraft to travel such a long distance to explore the planet of the solar system.

The launch of the device took place in cooperation with the UAE, the Japanese space agency and NASA. Amal was launched using the Japanese H-IIA launch vehicle. Initially, the start was planned to be carried out on July 15, but due to bad weather it had to be postponed for five days.

On Mars orbit, Amal (Hope) will conduct observations of the planet for 2 years.


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  1. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 20 July 2020 10: 39 New
    18
    Happy research!
    1. Finches
      Finches 20 July 2020 10: 42 New
      -14
      People should have thought long ago that money, energy, knowledge ... should not be invested in wars and maidans, but in science - to fly to other planets! If it were not for the Anglo-Saxons, mankind would have traveled across the Universe long ago! And because of their constant craving for aggression and robbery, you have to think only about protection ... Truly devil-pleasing people!
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 47 New
        29
        Quote: Finches
        If it were not for the Anglo-Saxons, mankind would have traveled across the Universe long ago!

        Especially Newton, the Anglo-Saxon slowed down the world science wassat
        Well, the other Hubls and Einsteins were only engaged in slowing down the movement of mankind to the stars. wassat

        You, Zablitsov, are certainly a patriot, but you don’t need to dig the Black Sea. laughing
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 20 July 2020 10: 50 New
          -4
          Sure! Anglo-Saxons all slowed down!
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 51 New
            29
            This award is not an indicator.
            The prize is the fruit of politics.

            Obama got it too. Only this has nothing to do with science.

            Anglo-Saxons rarely received the USSR State Prize. wink

            Scientists are not politicians. And this is good.
            Do scientists have the right to be born in any country? Or is it prohibited by some convention? wassat
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 20 July 2020 11: 03 New
              +8
              Good in nominations. Let me remind you that this is a Swedish award.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 20 July 2020 11: 57 New
                16
                There is a lot of politics in science and the human factor prevails in the form of banal envy. For example.
                1. Maria Skłodowska-Curie, who discovered radium and was twice awarded the Nobel Prize, did not become a member of the French Academy of Sciences just because she was a woman.
                2. And why did the genius Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleev not become a full member of the Russian (Imperial) Academy of Sciences and become a Nobel laureate? And because in 1880 the physics and mathematics department of the Academy of Sciences, which was dominated by the so-called "German party", failed D.I. Mendeleev's academicians. In connection with this sad event, N.A. Menshutkin, as a clerk of the Russian Physicochemical Society, sent all the members of the Society for signature the following document: , which was proposed as a member of the department to the place of the deceased N.N. Zinin. The indisputability of the merits of a candidate whom Russian science can not equal, his fame abroad makes him completely inexplicable. scientists, we consider it necessary to draw public attention to this. "

                Dmitry Ivanovich Mendeleev was nominated for the Nobel Prize in 1905, 1906 and 1907 by foreign scientists. Russian never ...
                In 1906, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences refused to accept the decision of the Nobel Committee on awarding the prize to DI Mendeleev for the classification, periodization of chemical elements in a table, and that year this prize was awarded to F. Moissan for the discovery of fluorine. Does anyone remember the name of Moisson? And Mendeleev?
                In 1907, it was proposed to "divide" the Nobel Prize between the Italian S. Cannizcaro and D. I. Mendeleev (Russian scientists again did not participate in his nomination). However, to our regret, on February 2, Mendeleev, at the age of 73 years old, passed away.
            2. Guba
              Guba 20 July 2020 16: 15 New
              -4
              Quote: Vladimir16
              Obama got it too. Only this has nothing to do with science.

              Gorbachev is also remembered for the collapse of the USSR ...!
              There is also such a thing as brain drain and theft of scientific ideas, etc. The Anglo-Saxons succeeded in this ..
          2. Finches
            Finches 20 July 2020 11: 00 New
            0
            The United States is not a state, but a mega-corporation, and it just simply hired talented kids all over the world - organizing revolutions and wars in countries, and then, using the mess created there, gathered cream, including in the form of smart guys ... But they rule it's still Anglo-Saxons! And therefore, the talents of the people whom they have bought are directed far from peaceful purposes! And you hung your ears and advocate!
            1. Finches
              Finches 20 July 2020 11: 16 New
              -4
              My post - as an example of the meanness of the Anglo-Saxons, but assembled by the hands of the Chinese they bought - I write "just plainly", but the phone, for some reason, divides "into simple" ... As the youth would say - This is a setup! I have enough errors without these edits! laughing
            2. Guba
              Guba 20 July 2020 16: 18 New
              -6
              Quote: Finches
              The United States is not a state, but a mega-corporation, and it just simply hired talented kids all over the world - organizing revolutions and wars in countries, and then, using the mess created there, gathered cream, including in the form of smart guys ... But they rule it's still Anglo-Saxons! And therefore, the talents of the people whom they have bought are directed far from peaceful purposes! And you hung your ears and advocate!

              I agree with you, Evgeny, only there are many fans of Western democracy and it is useless for them to push something .. hi
              All the wars and robberies in the world are their work, and now Russia and China have begun to rise, they immediately smell of war and persecution of everything and everyone ..
          3. loki565
            loki565 20 July 2020 11: 11 New
            +8
            Sure! Anglo-Saxons all slowed down!

            Just do not cite the Nobel Prize as an example, it has long become an analogue of the Oscar. By the way, remind me why they gave Gorbachev the Nobel Prize ???)))
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 20 July 2020 11: 13 New
              0
              This is the Nobel Prize of the World and Literature, where without politota is nowhere, and the rest work perfectly
          4. Shahno
            Shahno 20 July 2020 12: 55 New
            +7

            Maybe part of the answer is this ...
          5. Yaro Polk
            Yaro Polk 20 July 2020 14: 08 New
            0
            This is a political office, why was Obama given the Nobel Prize?
            Yeah, all 375 people are purebred Americans.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 21 July 2020 09: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: Yaro Polk
              375 people are purebred Americans
              A purebred American can only be called an Indian. All the rest are immigrants from all over the world.
        2. Finches
          Finches 20 July 2020 10: 53 New
          -2
          I did not say that there are no ingenious people - there are! And they are great, but this is just an exception to the rule ... For example, I am delighted with Richard Feynman, one of the greatest physicists of the twentieth century, along with Einstein, but he worked on a nuclear bomb, which the Americans dropped on the heads of the Japanese, only to indicate that the Anglo-Saxons are the navel of the earth ... However, he was, like Einstein from the God-chosen people, and for his participation in the Manhattan project, he often regretted later - if he worked on going out into space, not about how to turn the sons of the rising sun into radioactive ash - that would be more useful!
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 20 July 2020 11: 01 New
            +5
            When the United States started developing a nuclear bomb, they did not know where the war would turn.
            And thrown off so that the Japanese surrender.
            Let me remind you that even after the dropping of two nuclear bombs, the destruction of a number of cities by carpet bombing, the defeat of the aviation and fleet of Japan, and even after the USSR entered the war, one should not forget. The surrender gained only 1 more vote in the council of Japan and triggered an attempt at a military coup during which the Imperial Palace was captured, and the prime minister was running around the capital from the coup d'état. If it were not for the keeper of the Imperial Seal, stuck where. Japan would not have surrendered in 1945
          2. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 20 July 2020 11: 03 New
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            Quote: Finches
            And they are great, but this is just an exception to the rule

            Eugene, the Anglo-Saxons have their own civilization. They wrote their own rules.
            Science in its present understanding is the fruit of their civilization.
            Let me remind you that even the calendar we ended up trying them on.

            I am not saying what is bad and what is good.

            But facts are stubborn things.

            And we need to live with our mind using everything that humanity has learned in this world.

            But pouring slops on a neighbor is the last thing in the movement towards the stars.

            The Arabs launched a rocket to Mars (paid for), and you poured a tub of slops on the Anglo-Saxons.
            Do you feel better?
            1. Finches
              Finches 20 July 2020 11: 07 New
              0
              So I do not argue - if there is a people chosen by God, then for the world balance there must be a devil's chosen people!
              1. snucerist
                snucerist 20 July 2020 12: 55 New
                +9
                Zyablitsev, would you be closer to the topic, or something ...
                Why flood?
                It would be better to tell about the new drawings of Angara 5A-B-C-G-D-E-Z-Z ... and further alphabetically to Z.
                Would tell us about the achievements of domestic astronautics against the background of news about the UAE project instead of throwing mud at everything around.
                And closer to the topic of the article, and more interesting to the people.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 20 July 2020 13: 09 New
                  -8
                  Sorry, for God's sake! It so happened - you are there to the people, as their authorized representative, please tell me, I will not do this again! laughing
                2. mdsr
                  mdsr 20 July 2020 18: 00 New
                  +4
                  Quote: snucerist
                  Zyablitsev, would you be closer to the topic

                  Do not stop a person from fighting enemies. Yes, and these calls are useless, to be honest. He was a military man for most of his conscious life. Even reached the head of some part. Will or not will, but he looks at everything through these glasses. He is not to blame, human physiology is simply arranged like that. Take the same retired cops. They also get psychological illnesses or even disabilities. Many of them often have breakdowns, blowing down the roof.
                  Quote: snucerist
                  Would tell us about the achievements of domestic astronautics against the background of news about the UAE project instead of throwing mud at everything around.
                  And closer to the topic of the article, and more interesting to the people.

                  good
            2. NIKN
              NIKN 20 July 2020 11: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir16
              Arabs launched a rocket to Mars

              So I think what religion will be the first to appear on Mars? Buddhism or Islam? smile
              1. Finches
                Finches 20 July 2020 13: 11 New
                -4
                I don’t know about religion, but if the Anglo-Saxons and traitors, such as Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlevs, all sorts of ... would not have destroyed the Soviet Union - apple trees would have bloomed there already!
            3. +5
              +5 20 July 2020 16: 26 New
              0
              At first, the Normans, as the Poles of the Little Russians, put the Anglo-Saxons into the knee-elbow, then after a series of wars with the Netherlands (where the crypto-Jewish black aristocracy flowed from Venice) in which the king of England defeated the stat state halter and then to the heap they were replaced by the Hanover dynasty .. From this America of these Aglo-Saxons fled 10 times more than the French ... They are patient, Anglo-Saxons ... And their rulers are neither Angles nor Saxons, and not even Germans ..
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 20 July 2020 21: 04 New
                0
                whoever kicked someone there is not so important, the main result .. in fact they (yes, albeit not by our methods, but by their sneaky and often inhumane), but in the first roles in the world .. and we were ruined .. God willing to recover .. therefore, to say that they are worthless, is not worth it, otherwise it turns out we were a worthless enemy in the 90s defeated ..
          3. Vladimir B.
            Vladimir B. 20 July 2020 11: 45 New
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            Quote: Finches
            he was like Einstein from God's chosen people

            So what? Vitaly Lazarevich Ginzburg is our physicist, Nobel Prize laureate in physics. Jewish by nationality. In your opinion, if a Nobel laureate has one nationality, but he lives in another country, then, for example, in the case of Ginzburg, he is not a Russian?
            1. Finches
              Finches 20 July 2020 11: 52 New
              +2
              Not! You probably don't understand - Pushkin is Russian, Ginzburg is Russian, Dzhugashvili is Russian ... Russians are not biology, they are culture! Lermontov, with Scottish roots, German Fet ... Russian people - from Jew to Slav, from Pomor to Cossack ... this is a state of mind! And the Anglo-Saxons are the governing superstructure - a spiritless pragmatic supranationality, sharpened for making profit through the constant exploitation of other peoples!
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 20 July 2020 12: 14 New
                +3
                Your examples are not entirely correct. Pushkin and Lermontov are Russians precisely in the ethnic sense, by blood, and a small admixture of Ethiopian or Scottish blood does not play a role, and in no way with
                affected their self-awareness and creativity. Fet had German roots, but he is completely Russian in his identity. But Stalin is still Georgian. Russian is not a state of mind, but membership in a Russian (Great Russian) ethnic group that is quite homogeneous. Pomors and Cossacks, by the way, are sub-ethnic groups of the Russian people. The Russian people are replenished with Russified representatives of other peoples, but in this case they no longer belong to these peoples. The Russified Mordvin, Tatar, German is no longer Mordvin, not Tatar or German. You must admit that Stalin never refused to be a Georgian. In all his official biographies, his nationality was indicated. And in his behavior there were many precisely Georgian-Ossetian features.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 20 July 2020 12: 19 New
                  +4
                  Take it as you see fit! And I, let me take it as I see fit! And if Joseph Vissarionovich said about himself that he was Russian, of Georgian origin and raised a toast to the Great Russian people, then he had good reason and if Pushkin, when no one spoke plain Russian among the nobles, wrote in Russian that means there were reasons ... And concrete examples, not concrete, are all words that are not needed, since historical truth has long ago put everything in its place! hi
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 20 July 2020 21: 09 New
                    +1
                    Eugene, so you yourself all the time roll a barrel of Jews on the basis of ethnicity, but there are times there are no nationalities, there are Russians .. I certainly understand that "he’s a son’s dog, but he’s our dog’s son," but we don’t have propaganda watered, the people here are mostly held and thinking, let’s think with facts - a Jew, he’s even a Jew in Israel, at least in the USA, even in Russia .. And to divide the right and wrong Jewish scholars by place of residence .. somehow .. strange ..
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 20 July 2020 22: 16 New
                      0
                      By the way, I respect Jews - if you carefully read all my comments! I only always wonder how God's chosen people managed to fall under the devil's chosen one?
        3. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 20 July 2020 13: 38 New
          +1
          Our Einstein is Anglo-Saxon ?? “Daddy is a dove!” (from)
        4. vadimtt
          vadimtt 20 July 2020 15: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir16
          and Einsteins

          But Einstein does not need to be braided laughing But it is rather personal wassat
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 20 July 2020 10: 52 New
        +5
        So the Anglasaxes made the device, if you read the news inattentively, and the Japanese launched it to Mars. wassat
        The launch of the device took place in cooperation with the UAE with the Japanese space agency and NASA.

        It is the first Martian satellite of the United Arab Emirates and the Arab world in general. The device was created in the collaboration of the Space Center of Mohammed Ibn Rashid and American Atmospheric and Space Physics Laboratory at the University of Colorado, as well as other organizations such as the University of Arizona and the University of California at Berkeley
      3. Courier
        Courier 20 July 2020 11: 05 New
        11
        The Anglo-Saxons just moved humanity forward.
        Watt, John Kay, Newton, Maxwell, Faraday, Darwin, Joule, Kelvin, Rutherford and so on ad infinitum.
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 July 2020 13: 13 New
          0
          hi I am pleased to realize that Anglo-Saxons and their hangers-on are subscribed to the HE - this indicates the relevance and popularity of the site not only in Russia but also abroad!
      4. NordUral
        NordUral 20 July 2020 14: 44 New
        +3
        I think that not all Anglo-Saxons, but only their elite. Moreover, the most aggressive landed in the States.
      5. Gnefredov
        Gnefredov 20 July 2020 15: 37 New
        +3
        I completely agree with the first part! From the second, .. Today the Anglo-Saxons, tomorrow - the Chinese ... Three civilizations alternately pluck the olive wreath of the winner. This is if you think globally. Well, locally, it's also good that we have it as it is now. It could have been worse ("could" does not deny that it will get worse), but this is a completely, completely different topic.
        Regarding the "Arab" probe ... I wonder how many unaccounted equipment for Arabs money did the Americans send to Mars ?;) Yes, and the counted can work for the client not at all as for the developer. As an example - a modern smartphone. Transfer it to developer mode, get root-rights and op-pa how many interesting things this stone can do. Here, in exactly the same way, up to simulating a loss of communication with the device. So the Arabs can amuse their pride but nothing more. If the probe finds something interesting, the Arabs may not know about it. A probe was launched for them, but I did not hear that they erected a receiving-transmitting complex with DKS antennas (similar to ours near Evpatoria).
        Eh! To look with one eye telemetry transmitted from the board :) Much would become clear.
        1. slipped
          slipped 20 July 2020 16: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Gnefredov
          A probe was launched for them, but I did not hear that they erected a receiving-transmitting complex with DKS antennas (similar to ours near Evpatoria).
          Eh! To look with one eye telemetry transmitted from the board :) Much would become clear.


          But these comrades serve them for their grandmother:

          1. Gnefredov
            Gnefredov 20 July 2020 17: 08 New
            0
            Right And the owners of the receiving complex have tremendous possibilities (more precisely, any possibilities) for filtering the data transmitted further.
    2. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 44 New
      +2
      Do Arabs have space scientists? winked
      Or glory to the Arabs, and scientists in other countries will receive information? request

      In any case, well done Arabs. good
      God grant that the mission would take place and everything planned was successful.
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 20 July 2020 10: 47 New
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        A thousand years ago they had everything. I cannot vouch for modernity. In any case, the money was spent not on "Bentleys" and "Jaguars", but on a useful cause - already worthy of respect.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 59 New
          -7
          Quote: forty-eighth
          A thousand years ago they had everything.

          Did you live at this time? laughing
          And if everything was then where did it all go?

          And Bentleys bought and jaguars. And the mission was paid at least.
          Well done.
          Well done now, but what was earlier - it was written with a pitchfork on the water.

          But, the fact that they (Anglo-Saxons) want grief on our heads is a fact. Don't go to the fortuneteller.
          In this case, death to the fascist invaders. drinks
          1. forty-eighth
            forty-eighth 20 July 2020 11: 05 New
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            Didn't live, which is a pretty obvious fact.
            But a good half of the stars in the sky of the northern hemisphere are cataloged by the Arabs (Betelgeuse, Rigel, etc.). Ancient Arab scientists are quite well known and authoritative.
            Where did they all go? Allow a private opinion: religious obsession.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 July 2020 13: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: forty-eighth
              Didn't live, which is a pretty obvious fact.
              But a good half of the stars in the sky of the northern hemisphere are cataloged by the Arabs (Betelgeuse, Rigel, etc.). Ancient Arab scientists are quite well known and authoritative.
              Where did they all go? Allow a private opinion: religious obsession.

              Tribalism (clannishness) shook them. Islam of that time was, in comparison with European Christianity, very tolerant and, let's say, perceived science as an in-depth study of the creation of the Most High.
          2. donavi49
            donavi49 20 July 2020 11: 28 New
            20
            well, this is how the pendulum of history turns ...

            At one time, the Arabs were the center of education, science, civilization. Right now, if you look at the sky, then 2/3 of the visible stars there are cathologized by Arabs, often have an Arabic name. And in general, the numbers that are written around the world are suddenly Arabic. The foundations of mathematics were also laid by the Arabs. In Europe, all kinds of religious obscurantism were going on, and scientists, at best, were expelled.

            Then the Arabs fell into religious obscurantism through the efforts of many preachers, and in Europe, on the contrary, they began to read science.
            1. Rakovor
              Rakovor 20 July 2020 12: 25 New
              0
              Well, there are still not so much Arabs, but representatives of the peoples they conquered.
            2. Soveticos
              Soveticos 20 July 2020 13: 20 New
              +1
              With your permission, allow me to disagree with some of your conclusions. Here, on the contrary, it was religion that played an important role in the development of science among the Arabs and Muslim civilization. Type in the search engines "The Golden Age of Islam" The authors of the article are Jews and Christians. And why did all this disappear later? The reasons are the many-devastating Mongol invasion, and then the re-invasion of their descendants, the so-called Genghisides, the colonization of almost 90% of the countries that have already been bloodless in the West, the policy of supporting bandits and ignoramus obscurantists, false interpreters of the Book in puppet governments, preventing the development of secular schools, etc. Even in the most holy book of Muslims, the acquisition of knowledge is enshrined and encouraged. At present, one can observe a surge in scientific research and the revival of certain areas of science in Muslim countries, but due to a "strange" circumstance, riots often occur in them and all kinds of sanctions are imposed on them.
            3. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 20 July 2020 13: 47 New
              0
              Fundamentals of algebra - not all mathematics.
            4. +5
              +5 20 July 2020 16: 31 New
              0
              The numbers are Indian .. Although the Arabs finalized them. Well, rather, it was not the Arabs who invented and developed something there, but the fact that they became the heirs of the ancient civilization, and in Western Europe there was a break for the Dark Ages ...
      2. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 20 July 2020 10: 49 New
        +1
        Vladimir, the Arabs have money. Well, the phrase "Arab spacecraft" is already an anecdote.
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 20 July 2020 10: 57 New
        11
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Do Arabs have space scientists?
        Sobsno, why not. With them, the state pays for citizens to study in the world's best universities. Why not apply the acquired knowledge in your country ?!
      4. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. 20 July 2020 11: 47 New
        15
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Do Arabs have space scientists?

        It turns out that there is. We can only be happy for them.
        Interestingly, when will we send the spacecraft to Mars? Or at least to the moon.
        1. slipped
          slipped 20 July 2020 12: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimir B.
          Quote: Vladimir16
          Do Arabs have space scientists?

          It turns out that there is. We can only be happy for them.
          Interestingly, when will we send the spacecraft to Mars? Or at least to the moon.


          Launch of the AMS "Luna-25" according to plan - October 1, 2021. The launch of the Exomars-2022 AMS with the Cossack DM in 2022.
          1. mdsr
            mdsr 20 July 2020 18: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: slipped
            Launch ..... according to plan
            Let me ask you what the initial dates were, how many times have these plans been postponed, and how many more will be postponed?
  2. smart fellow
    smart fellow 20 July 2020 10: 41 New
    0
    Korean satellite, Japanese rocket.
  3. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 20 July 2020 10: 47 New
    +1
    Now the Arabs have overtaken us in deep space.
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 12: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Now the Arabs have overtaken us in deep space.


      Not. Russia has already launched ESA interplanetary stations on the flight path to Mars and Venus, which have successfully worked out earlier and are now working for our science. In addition, Russian scientific instruments are on the Beppi Colombo spacecraft, flying to Mercury and the American Curiosity rover. And one and a half million km from the Earth at Lagrange point L2, which is beyond the orbit of the moon, the Russian-German Astrophysical Observatory Spektr-RG has been successfully operating for a year.
      1. Perseverance
        Perseverance 20 July 2020 12: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: slipped
        Not. Russia has already launched ESA interplanetary stations on the flight path to Mars and Venus, which have successfully worked out earlier and are now working for our science.

        Well, we worked as a cab driver. But interplanetary stations are European
        Quote: slipped
        In addition, Russian scientific instruments are on the Beppi Colombo spacecraft, flying to Mercury and the American Curiosity rover.

        It's over cool .... Sold a couple of appliances Great achievement wassat
        Maybe in 20 years it was possible to launch your own device, which was produced in Russia?
        1. slipped
          slipped 20 July 2020 12: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Perseverance
          Well, we worked as a cab driver. But interplanetary stations are European


          Do you think it's so easy to calculate the exact flight ballistics and launch it accurately? laughing As for the platform, we have developed and are already successfully operating, both at geostationary spacecraft and at astrophysical observatories, the domestic interplanetary platform Navigator.



          Quote: Perseverance
          It's over cool .... Sold a couple of appliances Great achievement wassat


          Who was it sold to ?! belay These are domestic devices working according to our domestic program. Think of Beppy Colombo as a cab. laughing

          Quote: Perseverance
          Maybe in 20 years it was possible to launch your own device, which was produced in Russia?


          Every whim for your money. lol And let's launch it soon.
          1. Perseverance
            Perseverance 20 July 2020 12: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: slipped
            Do you think it's so easy to calculate the exact flight ballistics and launch it accurately? As for the platform, we have developed and are already successfully operating, both on geostationary spacecraft and at astrophysical observatories, the Russian interplanetary platform "Navigator".

            Clear. there are no interplanetary stations
            Quote: slipped
            Who was it sold to ?! These are domestic devices working according to our domestic program. Consider the spacecraft Beppi Colombo just a cab.

            No, this is a joint space automatic mission of the European Space Agency (EKA) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) and they are already deciding to whom what to transfer all communication goes through them. ... Russia is the supplier of the device.
            Quote: slipped
            Every whim for your money. And we will launch soon.

            I love our plans for the bulk. We are already waiting for 20 summer. 1-2 pieces in 20+ years this result is certainly excellent
            1. slipped
              slipped 20 July 2020 13: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Perseverance
              Clear. there are no interplanetary stations


              They told you, the launch of the Luna-25 AMS and the start of the Russian lunar program in October next year will be soon.

              Quote: Perseverance
              No, this is a joint space automatic mission of the European Space Agency (EKA) and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) and they are already deciding to whom what to transfer all communication goes through them. ... Russia is the supplier of the device.


              The phrase "they are already deciding", you absolutely do not understand the topic. laughing In short - there are certain working hours for certain scientific programs, respectively, at these hours the data goes to the experiment director. If this is IKI RAN, then for them.

              Quote: Perseverance
              I love our plans for the bulk. We are already waiting for 20 summer.


              Yes, unfortunately, irregular financing of projects and some technological troubles in the form of a ban on the supply of some foreign equipment does not allow to quickly implement certain plans, but in the end everything can be solved - and the money is found and the equipment is produced domestically and they are being carried out successfully.
              1. Perseverance
                Perseverance 20 July 2020 13: 18 New
                0
                Quote: slipped
                You were told, soon will be, Launch of the AMS "Luna-25" and the beginning of the Russian lunar program in October next year.

                I love our plans huge. How to refill so inform. For 20+ years this will certainly be an achievement. laughing
                Quote: slipped
                The phrase "they are already deciding", you absolutely do not understand the topic. In short - there are certain hours of work for certain scientific programs,

                Trying to cling to other people's achievement by having a couple of devices within the whole miss is ridiculous. With the same success, we can say that this is the mission of Switzerland, there are their devices there. That's when there will be its own AMS of Roskosmos and instruments of other countries. This is an occasion.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 20 July 2020 13: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Perseverance
                  For 20+ years this will certainly be an achievement.


                  There were many other programs that were destroyed after the collapse of the USSR and which have already been or are being implemented at the moment. And finally, hands reached the point of interplanetary research.

                  Quote: Perseverance
                  Trying to cling to other people's achievement by having a couple of devices within the whole miss is ridiculous.


                  I told you - just consider them cabs. And this is your term. lol

                  Quote: Perseverance
                  With the same success we can say that this is the mission of Switzerland, there are also their devices. That's when Roscosmos will have its own AMS and other countries' instruments.


                  We can say for everyone. Roskosmos has its own station "with instruments from other countries" outside the orbit of the moon - the Spectroph-RG astrophysical observatory.

                  1. Perseverance
                    Perseverance 20 July 2020 13: 39 New
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                    Quote: slipped
                    There were many other programs that were destroyed after the collapse of the USSR and which have already been or are being implemented at the moment. And finally, hands reached the point of interplanetary research.

                    Quote: slipped
                    We can say for everyone. Roskosmos has its own station "with instruments from other countries" outside the orbit of the moon - the Spectroph-RG astrophysical observatory.

                    What kind of love for the flood, And to the excuse, they are like a hole in ____ for everyone.
                    About Spektr-RG no one said it was not ams. Okay


                    Quote: slipped

                    I told you - just consider them cabs. And this is your term.

                    there is a difference between its ams and put multiple appliance on someone else's ams and within a stranger programs....
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 20 July 2020 13: 51 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Perseverance
                      About Spektr-RG no one said it was not ams.


                      STA ?! lol

                      The device uses the Navigator platform as a satellite platform



                      Halo the orbit of the station is one and a half million kilometers from the Earth - it is in interplanetary space. This is shown in the picture above, learn to read the diagrams.

                      Quote: Perseverance
                      there is a difference between your own AMS and putting several devices on someone else's AMS and within the framework of someone else's program ...


                      There is no concept of "someone else's program". These are joint programs. And the devices work within the framework of both joint and domestic scientific experiments. There are directors for this. At IKI RAS, the director of Russian experiments on the Beppi Colombo apparatus is the Department of Nuclear Planetology.
                      1. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 July 2020 14: 08 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        The device uses the Navigator platform as a satellite platform

                        Write to Roscosmos
                        On July 13, 2019, the Proton-M launch vehicle with the DM-03 booster block was successfully launched and space astrophysical observatory Spectrum RG
                        https://www.roscosmos.ru/srg/

                        Quote: slipped
                        There is no concept of "someone else's program". These are joint programs. And the devices work within the framework of both joint and domestic scientific experiments. There are directors for this. At IKI RAS, the director of Russian experiments on the Beppi Colombo apparatus is the Department of Nuclear Planetology.

                        Once again, the BepiColombo mission consists of two spaceships: Mercury Planetary Orbiter (MPO) and Mercury Magnetospheric Orbiter (Mio). BepiColombo is a joint mission ESA and Japan Aerospace Research Agency (JAXA) performed under the leadership of ESA.
                        https://sci.esa.int/web/bepicolombo
                        That's whose program it is specifically two agencies JAXA and ESA is their site.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 20 July 2020 14: 17 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance

                        On July 13, 2019, the Proton-M launch vehicle with the DM-03 booster block was successfully launched and space astrophysical observatory Spectrum RG


                        Yes it is, the observatory is now in interplanetary space, what is wrong? laughing

                        I even gave you a diagram - where. Apparently you didn't study astronomy at school.

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        That's whose program it is specifically two agencies JAXA and ESA is their site.


                        So once again - consider them cabbies. lol How will this be reflected in a completely domestic program for studying the elemental composition of matter on the surface of Mercury? laughing

                        You start to produce essences where they are not.
                      3. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 July 2020 14: 30 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        Yes it is, the observatory is now in interplanetary space, what is wrong?

                        I even gave you a diagram - where. Apparently you didn't study astronomy at school.

                        yes love flood. it observatory which is interplanetary.
                        Quote: slipped
                        so again - consider them cab drivers. How will this be reflected in a completely domestic program for studying the elemental composition of matter on the surface of Mercury?

                        Just because she is not there. laughing Everything comes from and under the control of EKA.
                        This is a JAXA and EKA program that allowed and transmits data to Roscosmos
                        During the flight, the ESOC team in Darmstadt will fully control the operation of the spacecraft using the ESA 35m space tracking station in Quebreros, Spain.
                        Japan's Space Operations Center JAXA Sagamihara, using the Usuda station in Nagano, will take over the MMO as soon as it enters orbit around Mercury,
                        Every kilobyte of information goes to EKA and JAXA and they already decide.
                      4. slipped
                        slipped 20 July 2020 14: 38 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance
                        yes love flood. it observatory which is interplanetary.


                        What's the difference. AMS for the Moon used to be called ALS - automatic lunar stations. What do you cling to the names? You look at the result. Is the station in interplanetary space? The answer is more than a year now and works great.

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Just because she is not there. laughing Everything comes from and under the control of EKA.
                        This is a JAXA and EKA program that allowed and transmits data to Roscosmos


                        Apparently, something is wrong in your head. Another sectarian or something? Why not? Go to the site of nuclear planetology of the IKI RAS and read. https://np.cosmos.ru/

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Every kilobyte of information goes to EKA and JAXA and they already decide.


                        What do they decide? lol You will also call them solvers inadvertently. laughing You do not understand at all the essence of the data transfer process from ESA to IKI RAS.
                      5. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 July 2020 14: 51 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        What's the difference. AMS for the Moon used to be called ALS - automatic lunar stations. What do you cling to the names? You look at the result. Is the station in interplanetary space? The answer is that it has been around for over a year and works great

                        laughing hmm ... how do you want to come up with an AMS. laughing well, there is a whole one working ams \ observatory belay

                        Quote: slipped
                        What do they decide? You also call them sols inadvertently. You do not understand at all the essence of the data transfer process from ESA to IKI RAS.

                        What roscosmos antennas are working with the "completely domestic program to study the elemental composition of the surface material of Mercury?" laughing
                        And how do you want to stick to someone else's program wink

                        "The BepiColombo mission consists of two spaceships: Mercury Planetary Orbiter (MPO) and Mercury Magnetospheric Orbiter (Mio). BepiColombo is a joint ESA / Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) mission led by ESA."
                        that's when Roskosmos will be here ...
                      6. slipped
                        slipped 20 July 2020 14: 58 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance
                        well, there is a whole one working ams \ observatory belay


                        Is it a Georgian? laughing

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        How do you want to stick to someone else's program wink


                        So, in your opinion, the Germans "adhered" to our "Spectra"? And ESA has clung to our "Moons" by putting us its cameras and a rig on the platform? And in general, "very attached" to launch their own AMS and observatories, like the recently launched Cheops to our rockets? lol

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        that's when Roskosmos will be here ...


                        He is already there, you are only blind and do not see. laughing I gave you a link, read and find it. Everything is clearly written there. I'll even give you a direct link https://np.cosmos.ru/index.php/pribory/mgns
                      7. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 July 2020 15: 09 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        He is already there, you are only blind and do not see. I gave you a link, read and find it. Everything is clearly written there.
                        quote here. winked
                        Quote: slipped
                        So, in your opinion, the Germans "adhered" to our "Spectra"? And ESA has clung to our "Moons" by putting us its cameras and a rig on the platform? And in general, "very attached" to launch their own AMS and observatories, like the recently launched Cheops to our rockets?

                        Spectrum is a Russian program.
                        but Cheops (CHaracterising ExOPlanets Satellite) - a space telescope European Space Agency (ESA)
                      8. slipped
                        slipped 20 July 2020 15: 16 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance
                        quote here. winked


                        The customer is the Federal Space Agency.
                        The lead contractor is the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IKI RAS).
                        Project Manager MGNS - Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences I.G. Mitrofanov.

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Spectrum is a Russian program.
                        but Cheops (CHaracterising ExOPlanets Satellite) - a space telescope European Space Agency (ESA)


                        "Cheops" launched into its orbit from the SCC "Kuru" rocket "Soyuz-2.1b / Frigate." Here it is, inside the adapter on the Frigate:



                        The Europeans have "adhered" however. laughing
                      9. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 July 2020 15: 24 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        The Europeans have "adhered" however.

                        Only now they did it and they use it and manage it.
                        Quote: slipped
                        The customer is the Federal Space Agency.
                        The lead contractor is the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IKI RAS).
                        Project Manager MGNS - Doctor of Physical and Mathematical Sciences I.G. Mitrofanov.

                        And? the fact that no one denies Russian devices doesn’t change anything from this
                        "The BepiColombo mission consists of two spaceships: Mercury Planetary Orbiter (MPO) and Mercury Magnetospheric Orbiter (Mio). BepiColombo is a joint mission of ESA and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), run by ESA
                      10. slipped
                        slipped 20 July 2020 15: 35 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Only now they did it and they use it and manage it.


                        So nobody argues with this. laughing Read carefully. It doesn't have our instruments on it. We just launched it and that’s it. laughing

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        And? the fact that someone was carrying the device to the Russian and asking for it doesn’t change
                        "The BepiColombo mission consists of two spaceships: Mercury Planetary Orbiter (MPO) and Mercury Magnetospheric Orbiter (Mio). BepiColombo is a joint mission of ESA and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), run by ESA


                        I don't understand anymore, what do you want to prove to me here? I told you that all data from its scientific instruments will be received by the IKI RAS within the framework of the national program of planetary research. What is incomprehensible to you in this? As well as they regularly receive data on the Moon and Mars. Does it make you feel bad, what-le? laughing Usbakoy already.
                      11. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 July 2020 15: 56 New
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                        Quote: slipped
                        I don’t understand, what do you want to prove to me here? I told you - IKI RAS will receive all the data from its scientific devices as part of the Russian planetary research program. What is it that you do not understand? As well as they regularly receive data on the Moon and Mars. Does it make you feel bad, what-le? Usbakoy already.

                        and how do they get this data? from whom ? All data from BepiColombo goes to EKA and JAXA and they transmit it, to the extent that they decide, everything from communication to the AMC itself.
                      12. slipped
                        slipped 20 July 2020 16: 09 New
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                        Quote: Perseverance
                        and how do they get this data? from whom ?


                        From ESA. Our devices are on their device.

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        to the extent that they decide, they have everything from communication to the AMS itself.


                        I’m saying that you had something wrong in the conservatory. laughing It in no way will not affect the final data that we should get.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 July 2020 10: 16 New
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    Quote: Perseverance
    Do you think it's so easy to calculate the exact flight ballistics and launch it accurately?

    Well, everyone can do it now. Now the main criterion is cheapness.
    1. slipped
      slipped 21 July 2020 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      Well, everyone can do it now. Now the main criterion is cheapness.


      Much cheaper - instead of buying a car to get to your destination, we just order a taxi lol paying only for fuel. Cheap and cheerful. laughing
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 July 2020 10: 14 New
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    How soon will we be proud that there is our bolt or rivet on someone else's satellite?
    1. slipped
      slipped 21 July 2020 10: 27 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      How soon will we be proud that there is our bolt or rivet on someone else's satellite?


      And if our plasma engines are installed on more than 600 foreign satellites - does that count? lol There is no need to try to belittle one or another of our achievements. They are quite different.
  • ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 20 July 2020 11: 09 New
    +2
    To Marx, so to Marx, and what is not to Venus? request
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 20 July 2020 11: 30 New
      +1
      And what is there to do on Venus ??? Breaking titanium spheres? Alloy metals ??? Carry out crash tests on cooling systems?

      Well, that is, missions are sorted by usefulness. Scientists have a much greater rationale for the applied research of Mars, or, say, a new flight to Saturn with a detailed study of the water of Enceladus. Than to fly to Venus. For there is simply nothing to do there. Venus Express, Magelan and the Japanese orbiter - everything that is possible has already been pulled out. There is no useful data to justify the new mission yet.

      Unless China will launch a titanium ball, claim the second place in landings.
      1. slipped
        slipped 20 July 2020 12: 38 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        And what is there to do on Venus ???


        Explore Venus, both from the surface and from the inside of the cloud.

        Quote: donavi49
        There is no useful data justifying the new mission yet.


        What a stupid thing. A joint Russian-American scientific group is currently working on Venus in the Venus-D project. And they have already identified five potential landing sites for the lander.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 20 July 2020 12: 47 New
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          Even Europa Lander is more realistic and elaborated, although it is not a fact that it will happen than Venus-D.
          1. slipped
            slipped 20 July 2020 12: 50 New
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            Quote: donavi49
            Even Europa Lander is more realistic and elaborated, although it is not a fact that it will happen than Venus-D.


            It is not clear what kind of "realism" you mean, the preliminary design of "Venera-D" has been developed, work is underway to prepare a draft design.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 20 July 2020 13: 05 New
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              Well, the Europa Lander has a much better chance of surviving before launch (although far from a fact) than Venus. Venus is an advance project (or even a proposal rather), as you wrote. Something will wrap up after age 25 or will not wrap up (if it is not pushed into the funding program again).
              1. slipped
                slipped 20 July 2020 13: 11 New
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                Quote: donavi49
                Venus is an advance project


                Now at the NPO Lavochkina, a program for the study of Venus is being formed, next year it will be presented to Roscosmos. In addition to the Venera-D spacecraft, there are planned on-planet heavy and small stations, as well as Venus rovers. That is why the joint group works.
  • forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 20 July 2020 11: 14 New
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    Quote: Vladimir16

    But, the fact that they (Anglo-Saxons) want grief on our heads is a fact. Don't go to the fortuneteller.
    In this case, death to the fascist invaders. drinks

    Are you sure you haven't got it wrong with the branch? Here is a discussion of news about the Arab-sponsored space mission.
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 20 July 2020 14: 08 New
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    And what did these thugs forget there? laughing
  • Tests
    Tests 20 July 2020 14: 34 New
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    snucerist (Vladlen), respected, a few days ago commentators "V.O." tried to kick the media of Severodvinsk, which, allegedly, did not cover the launch of "Prince Oleg". My dear "Zvezdochka" has completed another order for the Vostochny cosmodrome. I hope that electronic media is media for you. If you are interested, follow the link: http://tv29.ru/new/index.php/bk-ekonomika-2/24066-severodvinskaya-zvjozdochka-izgotovila-elementy-dlya-kosmodroma-vostochnyj
    A little more than a week ago, the press service of the Administration of Severodvinsk gave information about the visit of the acting Governor of the Arkhangelsk Region Tsybulsky in Severodvinsk at JSC Industrial Technologies: http://www.severodvinsk.info/pr/20589/ ... By the way, the assembly tower at the Vostochny cosmodrome with a portrait of Gagarin is the work of Industrial Technologies.
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 14: 52 New
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      Quote: Tests
      My dear Zvyozdochka completed another order for the Vostochny spaceport.


  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 July 2020 16: 02 New
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    Quote: Finches
    If it were not for the Anglo-Saxons, mankind would have traveled across the Universe long ago! And because of them

    Well, if the native government does not drive with a horn, you have to bark at someone else's! Once our Motherland "took" astronauts from developing countries into space. Since then, these developing countries have already overtaken us. When and how many scientific stations were launched into deep space? There are Mars rovers, Pluto, Neptune, comets, crazy telescopes, and many others. We have been around the Earth for 60 years, on the royal "seven" and we are proud. WE FIRST. The first are those who every year prove that he is a leader. We have conversations, plans and beautiful pictures! hi
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 16: 19 New
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      Quote: fa2998
      Well, if the native government does not drive with a horn, it’s necessary to bark at someone else’s! Once our Motherland "carried" astronauts from developing countries to space. Since then, these developing ones have already overtaken us.


      Ay-yai-yay how ugly it lied. laughing Here is the smiling cosmonaut Al-Mansuri from the same Arab Space Agency, launched for the money by Roscosmos to the ISS last year.



      Quote: fa2998
      When and how many scientific stations were launched into deep space?


      Campaign in VO all come with the same training manual lol
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 July 2020 16: 25 New
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    Quote: slipped
    Campaign in VO all come with the same training manual

    There’s nothing to say about the campaign, and they’ll “palm off” the training manual. I have my own training manual — I love my homeland — but I hate the government! And a sane person, our government will do something worthwhile, then praise. So far there is no reason!
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 17: 08 New
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      Quote: fa2998
      There is nothing to say to the campaign, and they are "foisting" a training manual.


      And above all I have written about "scientific stations in deep space" and I'm not going to repeat myself laughing

      Quote: fa2998
      I have my own training manual — I love my homeland — but I hate the government! And a sane person, our government will do something worthwhile, then I will praise.


      Navalonok? Clear.
  • Guba
    Guba 20 July 2020 16: 29 New
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    launched with the help of the Japanese H-IIA launch vehicle.

    Strange, it seems that Japan and Germany are forbidden to engage in rocket science after the Second World War. Or am I not aware of something?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 July 2020 16: 36 New
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    request
    Quote: slipped
    Ay-yay-yay how ugly he lied. Here is the smiling cosmonaut Al Mansouri

    Is it a new launch vehicle? Or a new spacecraft? Or a new route? We already saw such smiling people from Vietnam, Cuba, India in the 70-80s of the last century under Brezhnev. WHERE ARE STEPS FORWARD?
    R.S.-again, "honey girl" ??? lol laughing
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 17: 27 New
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      Quote: fa2998
      What is the new launch vehicle?


      Wow, another kind of dunno laughing

      Well, don’t know you our new rocket:



      Her right now is loaded into the train for delivery to the spaceport.

      Quote: fa2998
      Or a new spacecraft?


      In the near future, as many as two will take off. laughing



      Quote: fa2998
      Or is the route new?


      Here I do not understand .... what Well, there’s right now, right at the start, a rocket with our Progress MS-15 truck, which flies to the station in an ultrafast circuit in two turns. Debug a short route for our manned ships:



      Quote: fa2998
      We have already seen such smiles from Vietnam, Cuba, India in the 70-80s of the last century under Brezhnev.


      Oops, this photo is here on your opus - "Once upon a time, our Homeland took into space" cosmonauts of developing countries. " Do you want foreign astronauts to cry or something?

      Quote: fa2998
      WHERE ARE STEPS FORWARD?


      Your capsule is jamming. lol First decide what these steps are for you.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 July 2020 18: 00 New
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    Quote: slipped
    In the near future, as many as two will take off.

    With these "breakfasts" Roscosmos has been feeding everyone for ten years now. laughing
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 18: 36 New
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      July 30 launch. What are 10 years old ?! Your training manual is rotten already. lol
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 July 2020 18: 09 New
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    Quote: slipped
    I didn’t understand here .... Well, right now, right now, the rocket starts

    What is it that you don’t understand? You have a modification of the Korolev R-7 rocket in the picture. Whatever you call it, but this is 1957 (Sputnik), and what the hell is the "superfast route" where Gagarin flew in the same place in 1961? 60 years in orbit of the Earth, not tired yet!
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 18: 47 New
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      I say - dunno laughing You don’t even understand the R-7 family of missiles. In the photo there is a rocket with a digital control system and forced engines, and the cheapest at the cost of output in the world manned program. Allowing in two turns to deliver astronauts or tourists to the station.
  • Old26
    Old26 20 July 2020 18: 29 New
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    Quote: Vladimir16
    Obama got it too. Only this has nothing to do with science.

    The Nobel Peace Prize is really more of a politics. Like the literature prize. But the questions of physics, chemistry are still more a science than politics.

    Quote: Finches
    I don’t know about religion, but if the Anglo-Saxons and traitors, such as Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlevs, all sorts of ... would not have destroyed the Soviet Union - apple trees would have bloomed there already!

    Mars in the Soviet space program was basically FAILURE. Even without the collapse of the USSR. When the failure is easiest to find the extreme - the Anglo-Saxons.
    Remember, when they said: "if there is no water in the tap ....". So it is here. Failures in the Martian space program of the USSR long before Gorbachev - the Anglo-Saxons are still to blame
    You probably can’t eat and sleep without mentioning the Anglo-Saxon guilt ...
  • fa2998
    fa2998 20 July 2020 19: 03 New
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    Quote: slipped
    R-7 missiles do not understand. In the photo stands a rocket with a digital control system and forced engines,

    I believe that the VAZ-2103,06, etc., is a deeply modernized 01 (Fiat-128). You can rearrange the light bulb and shout that this is a new model. And the super-duper "new" missiles are baggage from 50-70 g. last century.
    1. slipped
      slipped 20 July 2020 23: 54 New
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      Quote: fa2998
      I believe that the VAZ-2103,06, etc. is a deeply modernized 01 (Fiat-128).


      If you do not see the difference between analog and digital systems, then these are your problems then lol It was necessary to study harder at school. laughing

      Quote: fa2998
      And super-duper "new" rockets are baggage from the 50-70 of the last century.


      Also blind, too. laughing Photo of the brand new rocket above.
  • Private SA
    Private SA 20 July 2020 22: 21 New
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    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Arabs launched a rocket to Mars

    So I think what religion will be the first to appear on Mars? Buddhism or Islam? smile

    Quote: NIKNN
    So I think what religion will be the first to appear on Mars? Buddhism or Islam?

    The first will be the teaching of the great Tao. And Confucianism.