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Trust no one. The truth is in your wallet

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One well-known media published the data of a public opinion poll on the incomes of the population. The picture was depressing: almost half of our citizens (44,6 percent) live on incomes of less than 15 thousand rubles a month.

The government, the newspaper writes, questioned the correctness of the survey methodology. Honestly, I also do not believe the voiced numbers. I don’t believe the official data of Rosstat, which is constantly changing its calculation methods. And every time our life in official numbers is getting better. Let's try to figure it out.

It all started well


I believe that a huge number of Russians live on the verge or below the poverty line. By the way, there is no official term “poverty” in our legislation. It is simply customary to call the poor those whose incomes are below the subsistence level. But I do not believe that almost half the country is in such a situation. Firstly, there is no reference to the organization that conducted the study. Well-known sociological institutes, where professionals work and who can be trusted, have not found such polls. Secondly, official statistics, no matter how scolded, can still not go too far from the truth.

Here are the latest Rosstat data for the first quarter of 2020. The proportion of the population with incomes below the subsistence level was 12,6 percent, or 18,6 million people. According to the results of 2019, the poor were 12,3 percent. Moreover, in 11 regions of the country, the share of the poor exceeded 20 percent.

It would seem that the poverty situation has worsened. But it’s more correct to compare the data of the respective quarters in different years. The fact is that traditionally the best indicators of household income in the fourth quarters. This is due to the fact that in December, workers receive serious bonuses based on the results of work for the year. And in January, respectively, a failure. No additional bonuses and a short working month.

So, in the first quarter of this year we have 12,6 percent of the poor, in the same period of the past there were 14,3 percent. That is, this year began quite safely. Although even then the negative process began: trade with China, embraced by the coronavirus, curtailed. Then with other countries. Well, on March 26, with the beginning of strict quarantine, rising unemployment, and shrinking working hours, earnings began to simply melt before our eyes. And salary, as you know, forms the basis of the total income of the population (66 percent).

Go forward to 2014!


However, official statistics persistently convince us that the first quarter we lived almost chocolate. In monetary terms, the picture looks like this. The average per capita income in the first quarter of 2020 amounted to 31 rubles, and in the first quarter of last year - 647 rubles. Even more impressive figures on the nominal accrued salary: in the first quarter of last year - 30 242 rubles, and this year - as much as 43 944 rubles. In April, according to preliminary estimates, another thousand rubles higher.

Often you hear the indignant exclamations of uninitiated citizens; But where did they get such a salary ?! Firstly, it is the accrued salary, without deduction of income tax. Minus 13 percent and be closer to the truth. Secondly, this is the average temperature in the hospital. We have a huge gap in incomes of citizens. According to the analytical center under the government of the Russian Federation, the difference between 10 percent of the population with the highest income and 10 percent with the lowest income is 15,6 times! There is no such abyss in any country with a developed economy.

Do not be seduced by the growth of per capita incomes. More indicative for assessing the standard of living of the population are “real disposable cash incomes”. They are determined by deducting from expenses the costs of mandatory payments (taxes and fees, interest on loans, etc.), adjusted for inflation. So, according to preliminary estimates of the same Rosstat, real incomes in the first quarter not only did not increase, but even decreased by 0,2 percent compared to the same period last year.

It seems a little, but if you do not look back. The Analytical Center under the Government of the Russian Federation draws attention to the fact that the real disposable cash incomes of the population by the end of 2019 were 6,4 percent below the 2014 level. So until the 14th year we still have to swim and swim.

The night is young


Well, fractions of a percent in the red do not scare us. However, further expert forecasts are really worrying. According to analysts at the Institute for Social Policy of the Higher School of Economics, in the first quarter, the effects of coronavirus have not yet fully manifested themselves. Then the ruble weakening and falling oil prices had a greater impact on the situation. At the same time, existing income trends continued in January-February, but from the second half of March, experts noted, the situation began to change dramatically.

The Institute of Social Problems has developed several scenarios. According to the baseline scenario, a decrease in real disposable cash income may amount to 5 percent.

The Vnesheconombank Research Institute presents an even darker forecast: real cash incomes of the population in the second quarter may collapse by 17,5 percent! And by the end of 2020, they will decrease by 6,5 percent.

Where is the nest egg?


OMI, a marketing research company and Platforma, conducted a survey that resulted in nearly 50 percent of respondents reporting a significant drop in family income with the onset of the spread of coronavirus. Question: how to get out? How to feed a family? Answer: take out the stash. But it was not there.

According to a survey by the Rosgosstrakh Life insurance company and Otkrytie FC, 63,6 percent of Russians have no savings at all, and most of those who have them will spend it completely in 2-6 months.

In May, the research holding Romir asked its respondents: how much free money is left in the family after the most necessary expenses (food, payment for housing and communal services, transport, communications, etc.)? It turned out that an average of 17,7 thousand rubles. That's the whole nest egg. By the way, these free 17 thousand are somehow poorly correlated with those 15 thousand on which half the country supposedly lives.

What more could you ask for?


Either God offended the Russians with appetite, or Rosstat cheats again, but it turns out that many of our fellow citizens have fewer financial requests than they actually have. Even the president of Romira, Andrei Milekhin, is surprised: “The declared income of households by Rosstat has been three years ahead of the“ desired ”by Russians. The latest survey showed that the desired income of Russians per family of three people (two working) is an average of 85 rubles. And from the data of the Federal State Statistics Service for 700 and the first quarter of 2019, it follows that such an average family has an average income of 2020 rubles. Miracles, isn't it?

However, the appetites are varied. 22 percent of Russians would like to have an income per family of three people more than 120 thousand rubles a month. Income from 90 to 120 thousand would suit 21 percent of respondents. From 60 to 90 thousand - 22 percent. From 45 to 60 thousand per month will suit 18 percent of respondents. Only 20 percent agree on 40-4 thousand. And 2 percent said they could live “normally” with an income of less than 20 thousand rubles a month.

What affects people's needs is hard to say. This is probably very individual. But it is noticed that geography also affects. The residents of the Northwestern Federal District have the biggest appetites - give them at least 100 thousand a month for a family. Residents of the Ural, Central and Far Eastern districts also have higher-than-average requests. For the rest, financial appetites do not exceed the average real income in the country, sociologists say.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 July 2020 05: 39 New
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    The truth is in your wallet
    Truly ... Potatoes for 140 rubles, more expensive than bananas ....
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta 20 July 2020 06: 23 New
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      I do not know where the surveys were conducted, but I know for sure that in our region the income of a family of 2 workers rarely exceeds 50 thousand, of which 10 are monthly payments.
      Also 2 thousand is a payment for school for a child, another 2 is a sports section. Everything remains for everything about 36 thousand, provided that the daily subsistence of the family is at least 1 thousand. There are 6 wooden tyrs left, that is, the authorities believe that we can also save money, but they do not think that we need to do something else.
      Friends, I don't need such a "fun" power!
      1. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 09: 07 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        Friends, I don't need such a "fun" power!

        I support ... but I want to "note" that you did not include medicine, transportation costs "here" (and if there is also a car, then .... crying ).
        Well, and 1 "piece" for food .... it's very, very "modest" 9 well, if only macaroons from "makfa", Chinese buckwheat and "soy" + "palm" ...... wink wink
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 20 July 2020 10: 17 New
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        - Rosstat said that due to the pandemic, real incomes of Russians fell by 8.
        - What is 8?
        - Who has what: 8%, 8 bottles of vodka, 8 million rubles, 8 yachts, etc.
      3. Arlen
        Arlen 20 July 2020 12: 15 New
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        Quote: Malyuta
        in our region, the income of a family of 2 workers rarely exceeds 50 thousand

        On July 13, a spontaneous uprising of workers began at the construction of the Amur Gas Processing Plant owned by Gazprom. The information about the reasons is contradictory, but in any case it is related to the size of wages. One of the versions says that for six months the workers were paid 4 times less than it was announced when they were hired. Such figures were named as 6000 rubles a month. https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2020/07/14/восстание-на-строительстве-амурског/
        And you say 50 thousand rubles ...
        1. toha124
          toha124 20 July 2020 12: 36 New
          +4
          There were rowdy workers of one Central Asian nationality who are employees of a Turkish contractor. At the same time, contractors working in parallel have no similar problems. Such an example ...
          1. Arlen
            Arlen 20 July 2020 12: 47 New
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            Quote: toha124
            Workers of one Central Asian nationality raged there

            They are not people? Their ancestors did not build a country together with our ancestors? Did you not defend the USSR from fascist dishonor? Did they not raise the country's economy and industry?
            Quote: toha124
            Such an example ...

            Need more examples?
            Here you are
            The prosecutor's office of the Parfenyevsky district of the Kostroma region carried out an audit of compliance with labor legislation in the municipal government unitary enterprise "Parfenievskaya heat supply organization". It was found that the management of the organization, within the timeframe established by the internal labor regulations, 55 employees were partially not paid wages for April - May 2020 in the amount of 1,5 million rubles.
            The Prosecutor's Office of the Leninsky District of the Jewish Autonomous Region carried out an audit of the implementation of labor legislation in MUE Teplovodsnab and MUP Teplotekhnik. It has been established that employees of these enterprises have not been paid wages for more than a month. The wage debt to 139 employees amounted to 12 million rubles.
            The Prosecutor's Office of the Proletarsky District of Tver carried out an inspection of the observance of labor legislation in the limited liability company STRATEX. Wage arrears to 22 employees of the organization amounted to 2,8 million rubles.
            https://rkrp-rpk.ru/2020/07/14/информационное-сообщение-n-26-1091/
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 20 July 2020 16: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Arlen
              Are they not human? Their ancestors did not build a country together with our ancestors?

              They didn't build.
              They decided to live separately - they got what they wanted.
              Republics were carved in the thirties.
              In fact, these are the lands of the Russian Empire.
              In many cases, inherited from the blood of our ancestors.
              The lands on which were built mainly by those who now live in Russia.

              If they built like that, why shouldn't they build in their own newly-made countries?
              Why go to work in Russia they hate?
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 20 July 2020 19: 03 New
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                They didn't build.
                They decided to live separately - they got what they wanted.

                Yes, these guys didn't build, their fathers built together with ours.
                And they did not decide to live separately, it was decided by the scum in Moscow and in the tops of the republics.
                And even then not immediately. And in a referendum, these republics, like we voted to preserve the Union.
                1. Firelake
                  Firelake 21 July 2020 09: 59 New
                  +5
                  It was built mainly by Russians. There weren't even literate people there. There is no need for tales about Brotherly peoples. In the 90s, such brothers were that the Russians were slaughtered and driven
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 21 July 2020 11: 16 New
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                    Yes, they built mainly Slavic ones, but the republics took part, each in its own sector of the Soviet economy. And creatures in any nation, alas, are enough.
                    1. Firelake
                      Firelake 25 July 2020 09: 33 New
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                      The main PP was in the rsfsr, ussr, ussr. Read the statistics of the late USSR
                      1. NordUral
                        NordUral 25 July 2020 12: 09 New
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                        I'm not arguing with you, I'm familiar with statistics.
                  2. nickname7
                    nickname7 25 July 2020 19: 19 New
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                    It was built mainly by Russians. There weren't even literate ones

                    Believe it or not, for example, in Kazakhstan, they found out where the cities and factories came from, they were built by the great educator Abai, namely, he taught the entire population to write and read and built the cities alone. Therefore, all place names, cities and streets are renamed to Kazakh names.
          2. Aag
            Aag 20 July 2020 19: 39 New
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            Quote: toha124
            There were rowdy workers of one Central Asian nationality who are employees of a Turkish contractor. At the same time, contractors working in parallel have no similar problems. Such an example ...
            1. Aag
              Aag 20 July 2020 20: 32 New
              +3
              I wrote a long, detailed commentary, IMHO, demolished without explanation ...
      4. Vladimir B.
        Vladimir B. 20 July 2020 12: 58 New
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        New joke:
        "Previously, workers were paid 3-4 minimum wages, just in case, if only they were guaranteed not to starve. But with the development of the latest technologies for calculating physiological activity ... it will be possible to pay no less, but not more than one minimum wage, as required by the updated Constitution!"
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    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 20 July 2020 06: 37 New
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      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Potatoes for 140 rubles, more expensive than bananas ...

      Sorry, I’m interested in where such a price is. Yesterday I bought potatoes, we have 30 rubles on the market in the Volga region. per kg, bananas from 80 and above. And what is true in the wallet is true, more recently for 500 rubles. brought a full bag from the market, now a thousand is not enough sad
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 20 July 2020 07: 41 New
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        175 bananas, gasoline has been over 50 for a long time. Okay, bananas, but we always had OWN potatoes, and now from Pakistan, Krasnodar, Israel.
        65 region, Sakhalin. hi
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 20 July 2020 10: 42 New
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          Hello earth !!!! 140 still divine, I’ve seen here and 170 !!! Egyptian short-haired boy !!!!
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 20 July 2020 10: 53 New
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            Quote: Nehist
            Egyptian short-haired boy !!!!

            Sanya hi The pharaohs were growing! belay Therefore, the price is such !!!! request
          2. Aag
            Aag 20 July 2020 21: 28 New
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            That is, based on the table of contents of the article, there is no truth? .. belay
        2. cradle
          cradle 21 July 2020 01: 46 New
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          in bulk ... no need to go to Vkusville
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 20 July 2020 07: 41 New
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        Quote: Anatol Klim
        More recently, for 500 rubles. brought a full bag from the market, now thousands are not enough

        A trip to any chain store for essential goods does not cost less than a ton.
        I was struck by the price of an ordinary sterile medical bandage - 40 rubles !!!
        It's a pity that you can't use foul language here am
        1. ancient
          ancient 20 July 2020 09: 15 New
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          Quote: Stroporez
          A trip to any chain store for essential goods does not cost less than a ton.

          Absolutely right ... we "start" from the "thing and above" ..... recourse
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 20 July 2020 09: 29 New
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            Quote: ancient
            Quote: Stroporez
            A trip to any chain store for essential goods does not cost less than a ton.

            Absolutely right ... we "start" from the "thing and above" ..... recourse

            5 years ago, 500 rubles. the wooden ones were enough for going to the store. Now 1000 r .. They tell us about inflation in 4-5% .. but in reality it turns out 20% ..
            1. snucerist
              snucerist 20 July 2020 10: 35 New
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              It's nothing.
              For a country where 70% of the population is middle class, this is not critical.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 20 July 2020 19: 07 New
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          Strop cutter! We are looking for legal synonyms or allegories. stop
      3. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 09: 13 New
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        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Yesterday I bought potatoes, we have 30 rubles on the market in the Volga region. per kg,

        In RO potatoes from 30 to 45 per kg, tomatoes 65-110.
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        bananas from 80 and above.

        Bananas to buy in the month of July ???? belay .
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        brought a full bag from the market, now a thousand is not enough

        On Saturday, delivered from the market (free delivery) - Potato -10 kg, tomatoes -5 kg, onions-5 kg, carrots-3 kg, beets 2-kg, mushrooms-3 kg (2,5 and this is still so ... modestly). crying
      4. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 22 July 2020 13: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Sorry, I'm interested in where the price is

        such a price briefly appears everywhere when the first one appears! young potatoes. Then she quickly falls.
    3. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 07: 40 New
      +1
      Truly ... Potatoes for 140 rubles, more expensive than bananas ....


      Where is it?
      In St. Petersburg, we have 55 per kg, which is also not a little, but still ...
      Although potatoes are not food, you need meat for them:
      and this is already 730 rubles
      Stability as is ...
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 08: 49 New
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        Peter's potatoes: in the Five - 28 rubles, in Semishagov a little cheaper. Pork - go to the store from the Velikie Luki meat-packing plant - from 169 rubles / kilo.
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 09: 03 New
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          In Pyaterochka, such a purchase. Even cheaper in Narodnoye, 15 rubles per kg.
          The pork is good, but beef or lamb is served with potatoes. The rest is from the evil one. And besides, I don't have "Velikoluksky meat-packing plant" nearby, but "Perekrestok" is.
          Pork goes with pasta, with buckwheat ...
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 22 New
            +1
            Braised pork with potatoes and onions is a classic of the genre. The intersection is not the cheapest network in St. Petersburg, it does not determine prices in the city. You will also give the prices in Vkusville and the ABC of Taste as typical.
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 09: 43 New
              +3
              Well, stewed beef with potatoes is a carcass, with fried onions yet. Yes, delicious, relatively cheap, but a normal stew of 200+ rubles. worth, and this is a whole chicken, which is much more satisfying than one can of stew.

              But there is also beef Doshirak, it costs 25 rubles. It is quite possible to eat, tasty and healthy. At least no more harmful than other products from the store.)

              And I buy food there, which is right next to me ..
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 11: 01 New
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                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                But there is still beef doshirak, it costs 25 rubles. It is quite possible to eat, tasty and healthy.

                The main thing is very useful. And for 13 p. There are beach packages, probably even tastier and more useful.
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 11: 34 New
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                  The main thing is very useful. And for 13 p. There are beach packages, probably even tastier and more useful.

                  For 13 no, but there is for 10 "Express". Well, to be honest. And so, Doshik for 25 rubles is the same as for 50, only in a bag instead of a box.
                2. Aag
                  Aag 20 July 2020 20: 05 New
                  +4
                  Иркутск.Доширак(пища честных)40-43р(плошка,прямоугольник),50-52("ведро").ДТ-49.90.ДТ Евро-50.10р/л.
                  Salaries have not been growing for individual entrepreneurs for 12 years. The USSR could not boast of such postscripts as now ... Kick ...
        2. ancient
          ancient 20 July 2020 09: 26 New
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          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Pork - go to the store from the Velikie Luki meat-packing plant - from 169 rubles / kilo.

          Buy just penecilin at the pharmacy ... much cheaper wassat (buy vegetables in the summer, and indeed ... buy in "Networks" belay ) ... yes ... no words request
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 36 New
            +2
            Let me tell you one secret: every farmer uses chemistry. Otherwise unprofitable. My relatives are engaged in pig breeding so that I know what I'm talking about. It is impossible to grow a piglet to slaughter weight in 5 months without drugs. So, the same eggs are on the market, only a side view. There are types of "environmentally friendly" products, but at a price at least twice the usual price. Although I very much doubt this purity.
            1. ancient
              ancient 20 July 2020 10: 05 New
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              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              It is impossible to grow a piglet to slaughter weight in 5 months without drugs.

              So this is not a farmer, but the same .. small "Network".
              And you take it, someday real meat and meat from the Web ... smell it (even if you know how meat should smell), and then .. fry.
              If you don’t feel the difference ... then nothing will help you ... hi
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 23 New
                -7
                Even in the village market, you can buy farm pork with hormones. The relatives part of the pork is sold. Already old grandmothers know what hormonal stimulators of egg production to give to a hen in order to get a "two-yolk village egg" at the output at 120-140 rubles per ten. Pure pork is only available for those who grow it for their own consumption. Moreover, if a large manufacturer uses drugs according to science, then a small private trader acts on the principle "you can't spoil porridge with butter"
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 11: 08 New
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                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Even in the village market, you can buy farm pork with hormones. The relatives part of the pork is sold. Already old grandmothers know what hormonal stimulators of egg production to give to a hen in order to get a "two-yolk village egg" at the output at 120-140 rubles per ten. Pure pork is only available for those who grow it for their own consumption. Moreover, if a large manufacturer uses drugs according to science, then a small private trader acts on the principle "you can't spoil porridge with butter"

                  What are you carrying? Have you ever grown something yourself? Or so, an urban peasant? "Give the chicken hormonal stimulants of egg production to get a" two-yolk village egg "at the exit" Do you even understand what you wrote? Can I tell you why two-yolk eggs are obtained and what is their percentage? For pork, so generally nonsense.
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 11: 23 New
                    -8
                    Ovogen 1, Ovogen-2 - hormone-containing preparation for poultry. Increases egg production by stimulating ovulation. Increases the percentage of these same two-yolk. It is checked, he himself got this chemosis for friends.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 14: 23 New
                      +2
                      Quote: AS Ivanov.
                      Ovogen 1, Ovogen-2 - hormone-containing preparation for poultry. Increases egg production by stimulating ovulation. Increases the percentage of these same two-yolk. It is checked, he himself got this chemosis for friends.

                      Read here, for example: https://ferma-nasele.ru/kak-poluchayutsya-dvuxzheltkovye-yajca.html Do not get fooled by advertising and take care of your health.
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 15: 26 New
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                        Two-yolk is by the way. Just under the guise of homemade environmentally friendly, the owners sell products grown using modern technologies. That is, both hormones and antibiotics are present.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 15: 33 New
                        +2
                        Quote: AS Ivanov.
                        Two-yolk is by the way. Just under the guise of homemade environmentally friendly, the owners sell products grown using modern technologies. That is, both hormones and antibiotics are present.

                        I agree, but this is called a fraud, meat after antibiotics is completely different, we do not take it in the Kuban. They try to take meat from small farms or from private farmsteads. They do not use food antibiotics there, and there are no probiotics in special feed, as for broilers such as "Yuzhnaya Korona".
                      3. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 15: 43 New
                        +2
                        Even in our private household poultry, pigs for their own consumption are fed on natural feed. And those that go on sale with the use of horse doses of chemistry.
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 21 July 2020 11: 28 New
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                        we have a ton of grain 12, a pig needs a ton for a year ... Guess the first time - will a farmer give something to a pig from chemistry to raise it in 000-8 months?
                        Except grain - there are no other feeds, pigs do not eat wormwood for some reason ...
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 20 July 2020 12: 24 New
          +3
          There is no particular difference. I speak as a person whose parents and other relatives, until recently, constantly kept pigs for their own consumption.
        4. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 20 July 2020 22: 08 New
          +1
          We in the Kuban meat only from Tkachev.
          You don’t even have to smell, all one smells nothing.
          There is a more serious test ... to make borscht soup from this meat, eat and then wash the plate with cold tap water. Rinse for 2-3 seconds without hands. All...
          Put the plate in a clean bowl.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 22 July 2020 13: 27 New
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            Quote: DED_peer_DED
            eat and then wash the plate with cold tap water.

            did not understand ... if the soup is delicious, then after licking the plate, you can put it without rinsing laughing ??
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 20 July 2020 16: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        It is impossible to grow a piglet to slaughter weight in 5 months without drugs.

        Don't judge what you don't understand at all. Feeding starts at 3 months and ends at 8 months. And not from my relatives I know 100% that without any chemistry it is possible for 6 months of fattening to be done from one farrowing (10 piglets) with an average slaughter weight of 121 kg. If your relatives are interested, I can advise them.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 16: 49 New
          +4
          It is possible without chemistry. But chemistry is cheaper - not so expensive.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 20 July 2020 17: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            not so expensive

            In order to understand whether it is costly or not, you will even then ask your relatives what their feed conversion is, in order to fully imagine the economics of their management. On the fingers you can explain what you want.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 17: 11 New
              -3
              I did not go into details, but at the request of my relatives, I purchased DES and Retabolil for them (anabolic it, it seems, they use pitching. Streptomycin there too.
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 20 July 2020 17: 30 New
                +4
                In general, a complete indifference. You also had a hand in this. "Based on the results of the medical and biological studies of DES and the hygienic assessment of livestock products, the use of drugs of this group is prohibited in our country; the most stringent of the regulations adopted in food hygiene has been approved - food raw materials and animal products supplied by import should not contain residual quantities of DES Methods for the determination of DES and its metabolites in imported livestock products have been developed and approved (Method, Rec. No. 2944; Inventory Certificate No. 438928).

                Medical theses http://medical-diss.com/medicina/mediko-biologicheskaya-otsenka-stimulyatorov-rosta-selskohozyaystvennyh-zhivotnyh#ixzz6SkGMEndh
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 22 July 2020 13: 24 New
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        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Let me tell you one secret: every farmer uses chemistry

        life is a way of existence of protein bodies, as a result of physical and chemical reactions smile ... Therefore, chemistry is an integral part of life. laughing , and if the farmer uses a feed additive containing fish and meat and bone meal, there is nothing wrong with that. It is bad when they give waste from the production of antibiotics - yeast supplements and hormonal stimulants. By the way, farmers use this very rarely. Therefore, there are relatively good products on the market.
  2. vvnab
    vvnab 20 July 2020 10: 04 New
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    Peter's potatoes: in the Five - 28 rubles, in Semishagov a little cheaper. Pork - go to the store from the Velikie Luki meat-packing plant - from 169 rubles / kilo.

    And you can also shop in the trash, generally free!
    Do you eat something like that?
    Personally, I - no! And although I can’t boast of high incomes, I’ll rather go naked than eat the products of the Velikoluksky meat-packing plant. A potato for 28 of the Five is a complete rot! You can, of course, take a good one at this price, but this is for private traders, in bags and only in season, i.e. provided that there is where to store ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 17 New
      -8
      In the Five, you can choose vegetables individually from the tray - what rot are you talking about?
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 20 July 2020 12: 27 New
      -1
      Normal production at the Great Russian Combine.
      1. vvnab
        vvnab 20 July 2020 13: 03 New
        +2
        Perhaps, only the concept of "norm" has recently sagged a lot ... In general, I don't buy any sausages and semi-finished products. Only farm meat. And this is not a whim. I have psoriasis (a chronic skin disease, autoimmune) and it takes a few days to eat meat products that are sold in stores - an exacerbation begins. Xs, what do they add there !? And I can't live without meat either! ))
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 20 July 2020 22: 24 New
          +6
          I have psoriasis (chronic skin disease, autoimmune)

          Excuse me for getting in trouble. The probability of slagging of the body is high. Liver, pancreas.
          I would highly recommend you Yarrow and Milk Thistle. Scheme: yarrow (dry grass from the pharmacy) we brew 5 teaspoons a little with the top 0,5 liters of boiling water (cover for an hour and a half), take for a day in between meals. Thistle (seeds, meal do not take) grind in a coffee grinder, store in a closed jar in the refrigerator, take 1 cube (approximately) 15-25 minutes before eating. The course is at least 2,5 - 3 months (it can be longer, because good). Verified by yourself, it works. At least it won’t be worse, definitely.
          1. valek97
            valek97 21 July 2020 07: 55 New
            -1
            I would recommend that you do not spread unscientific information that will harm a person. Back in the 00s, this statement about "slagging" was refuted. Yeah, it will definitely not be bad from milk thistle, it will plant a pancreas for itself with a large volume. If you ruin yourself without facts at random, please, but you don't need to spread a similar trend to others (leeks in the 5th point, for the prevention of hemorrhoids, they say it also helps))
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 20 July 2020 17: 56 New
        0
        Sorry, the smartphone has fixed itself. Naturally, Velikoluksky.
  3. WIKI
    WIKI 20 July 2020 15: 19 New
    0
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Velikie Luki meat-packing plant

    https://otzovik.com/reviews/produkciya_velikolukskiy_myasokombinat/?order=date_desc
  4. Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 20 July 2020 16: 47 New
    0
    Potatoes are different, depending on what year the harvest is
  5. Cartalon
    Cartalon 23 July 2020 11: 37 New
    0
    Not meat 269r
  • ancient
    ancient 20 July 2020 09: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    https://www.perekrestok.ru/catalog/myaso-ptitsa-delikatesy/govyadina/miratorg-striployn-steyk-gov-pf-320g--310290

    And if I prefer Ribeye ... then what to do? wink
    Just one question ... buy meat in "Networks" belay .... don't take care of yourself at all wassat ... only the market and then ... only from trusted suppliers.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 37 New
      -4
      I also love chilled trout, but I will not regret it because of its price - it's a delicacy, like Ribeye.
      1. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 10: 07 New
        11
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        but I will not regret it because of its price - it is a delicacy, like Ribeye.

        But your "God's chosen", for whom you are so intensely .. "drown" ...... so exclusively and eat ... and they eat trout not "cage" but "wild Norwegian" wink
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 16 New
          -5
          Your God-chosen ones are absolutely purple to me: I’m not a fan of peering into other people's wallets, and I’m devoid of envy. I drum on how they eat. I have my own wallet and my food preferences, and what’s there for anyone is not interesting to me.
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 20 July 2020 11: 33 New
            -1
            Then you are sorry antisocial And this is suspicious
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 11: 36 New
              -2
              I express my own and only my own opinion, I do not drown myself for the people - no one gave me such powers: I am not a deputy, I am responsible only for myself, maximum - for my loved ones and vote exclusively on my own behalf. I do not see antisociality here.
              1. awdrgy
                awdrgy 20 July 2020 11: 56 New
                +3
                But this is antisociality Previously, they called kurkuli khataskrayniks (with their own peculiarities, of course) Not to be confused with tn "civil society" - there the majority are antisocial and therefore psychologists are needed, but this is the next step and then something worse starts with rainbow flags (and this must be said not limit) A person is a social being, he is characterized by curiosity, there is a need for communication, and there are qualities with which he must fight - envy, pride, greed, etc. When these qualities disappear, indifference to society remains (lukewarmness, so to speak) So society ceases to matter for him In this state, a person capable of inappropriate actions in relation to society in the event of a conflict of interest, because those unspoken frameworks in which one must keep oneself in it disappear.They simply imperceptibly and gradually dissolve This transition was clearly visible with the destruction of the peasant community (I do not presume to assert whether it was good) - just the process was spasmodic and artificial but some people, due to circumstances and even the characteristics of the work (service), are offended (can be a synonym) at society and exclude themselves from it, but you are communicating here That is why I wrote that this is suspicious
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 09: 50 New
      +3
      And if I prefer Ribeye ... then what to do? wink

      Take a larger pan. laughing

      Just one question ... buy meat in "Networks" belay .... don't take care of yourself at all wassat

      No thanks! I was already lying in the hospital because of the market. E. coli ...
      I haven't caught this from the networks, yet. And I don’t have any reliable suppliers, so only Perekrestok, Lenta, Carousel.
      1. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 10: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        No thanks! I was already lying in the hospital because of the market. E. coli ...
        I haven’t caught this from networks yet. Yes, and I do not have trusted suppliers,

        Well, no one is safe from this, especially if you buy from strangers.
        And here you have to choose ... if you want to be healthy ... make the right "people", so long ago in the USSR it was established wink
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 10: 18 New
          +2
          Unfortunately, there are no familiar butchers or meat sellers. The only thing I can do is take fresh pork from Karelia.
    3. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 22 July 2020 17: 28 New
      0
      I am sincerely glad for you, only I will have about one hundred miles to the market with normal meat ... we have opened a private shop here, but who knows where they shop ...
  • Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 20 July 2020 10: 47 New
    +2
    The potato crisis has covered Primorye: a scarce vegetable has soared in price
    Deita.ru
    29 2020 June
    The potato crisis has covered Primorye: a scarce vegetable has soared in price
    Photo: Deita.ru
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    All news on the map
    The cost of potatoes per kilogram exceeded one hundred
    Residents of Primorye are actively discussing the rapid increase in potato prices, reports IA DEITA.RU. In social networks, Primorye people compare its cost and are terrified in unison: in Dalnegorsk young potatoes are offered at 100 rubles per kilogram, in Ussuriysk - at 119, in Arseniev - at 125 rubles. In the regional capital, the situation is even worse: Vladivostok residents have to buy potatoes in the price range from 150 to 230 rubles per kilogram. Double-digit potato prices still hold in Artyom - 99 rubles per kilogram. But usually a kilo of potatoes costs around 50 rubles.

    And in Vladivostok a month ago it was like that.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 July 2020 07: 51 New
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    Dear minus people! Thanks to your drawbacks, potatoes should fall in price to 65 rubles, promised by Governor Limarenko!
    And the main thing is to grow on the spot, which has always been done in the Union.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 08: 46 New
      -15
      Due to some features of our climate, potatoes in Russia do not grow in Russia in the winter. Therefore, in the Union and now, potatoes were imported in the spring.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 20 July 2020 08: 51 New
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        Never experienced potato, cabbage, carrot and beet hunger! More than enough of these vegetables were grown on Sakhalin. Potatoes from Sakhalin were also fed to Primorye when they were flooded .... You need to store it right!
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 20 July 2020 10: 48 New
          +4
          Land !!!! You yourself know the abandoned fields, the state farms are collapsed, and those that remain and a third of the land that even in 90 were not cultivated. Our young potato appeared truthfully at 85r per kg so they buy it right away
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 20 July 2020 11: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Nehist
            85 rub per kg

            Governor Limarenko promised 65 rubles !!!! Today I drove around the city and bases - nowhere cheaper than 100 ... And everything is not local - you can’t eat it, tried it yesterday - it turned green while driving. He climbed into his cellar and took out last year. I’ll go fire on a cast-iron skillet, and with light-salted sim and caviar .....
            1. Nehist
              Nehist 20 July 2020 11: 14 New
              +6
              I have a state farm nearby, I managed to drop in to their store.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 11: 38 New
            -6
            After the food embargo in 2014, just a private trader started to move about potatoes and other root crops. At least with us.
      2. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 09: 29 New
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        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Therefore, in the Union and now, potatoes were imported in the spring.

        I see .... did not serve in the army .. "never last time" wassat
        So you have no idea how and how long vegetables are stored. wassat
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 11: 41 New
          -4
          I carried potatoes across the North, in the spring, on board my An-26. In bags with the inscription made in Egipt. Soviet times.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 20 July 2020 09: 32 New
        13
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Therefore, in the Union and now, potatoes were imported in the spring.

        Where did it come from? From the cellar if only .. What are you talking about? Potatoes in the Union certainly were enough ..
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 30 New
          -3
          In the spring they sold Egyptian and even Cuban. Finnish was brought to St. Petersburg and the GDR. Ours ended by April.
      4. Essex62
        Essex62 20 July 2020 10: 04 New
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        We are here with a father-in-law, somehow, under 60 bags we poured into the garage, with the state farm, an immense plot. And, imagine a pilot - businessman Ivanov, sprouted. In winter
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 31 New
          -4
          We also had our own potato in the cellar. And in the store there is either domestic rot or Egyptian armor-piercing. Or Cuban.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 20 July 2020 19: 04 New
            +5
            Again fairy tales. As a kid, I ran to the nearest vegetable shop for potatoes. Normal Yaroslavl, Ryazan, Tambov potatoes were sold in string bags, dirty only with land. Well, tea is not noblemen, clean it with your little hands through the mesh and on the scales.
            1. your1970
              your1970 21 July 2020 11: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Essex62
              Again fairy tales. As a kid, I ran to the nearest vegetable shop for potatoes. Normal Yaroslavl, Ryazan, Tambov potatoes were sold in string bags, dirty only with land. Well, tea is not noblemen, clean it with your little hands through the mesh and on the scales.
              - strange ... before you at the vegetable warehouse, at least three times, researchers and students have already sorted it out ...
              don't remember that? not ?
              And I remember - I went through a lot in the techie because ... and in the army - at the GAZ vegetable warehouse
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 21 July 2020 12: 48 New
                0
                So I am not measured. A student. Apparently in the late 60s, early 70s, there were not enough students for this business. Maybe it was not so widespread yet. I don’t know, I remember what happened to the land. Probably not always so, but I remember it.
    2. ancient
      ancient 20 July 2020 09: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And the main thing is to grow on the spot, which has always been done in the Union.

      But what about our .. "companions" - Israel, Egypt, Morocco, etc ... where they will put their wassat
    3. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 20 July 2020 14: 15 New
      0
      Blagoveshchensk, 55 re kartocha from Krasnodar, young, albeit a little in the ground
      I warn you right away, the Chinese one is sold washed, like all vegetables from China. hi Although, if you live in the Far East, then in the know
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 20 July 2020 20: 14 New
        +2
        Chinese sold washed, like all vegetables from China ...

        Unwashed domestic potatoes remain due to greediness and incompetence (and unpretentiousness of buyers). Look on the network for promotional equipment according to the words "line for washing potatoes" - that's why they don't buy it in order to wash domestic potatoes at the moment when a vegetable warehouse or a wholesaler ships a batch at retail. It is not necessary, if possible, to encourage such an attitude towards themselves on the part of those who must think about such an elementary convenience and human attitude towards the buyer.
        Moreover, many vegetables and fruits must be defective and washed before retailing and there is all kinds of advanced automation and mechanization for washing, drying and polishing vegetables and removing rot, but this is almost never used, even the simplest machines (inspection table for potatoes, etc. . d.).
  • siberalt
    siberalt 20 July 2020 08: 24 New
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    With a flat scale of taxes, no more than 2% of its citizens will live well in Russia. Half - for a living wage, and the rest as God will give. The division of citizens' incomes by region shows that most of these regions are in fact colonies of the Moscow metropolis. Try to challenge this thesis.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 July 2020 08: 38 New
      13
      Quote: siberalt
      most of these regions are essentially colonies of the Moscow metropolis.

      I completely agree with you! All money always flocked to the center and distributed by region. More or less fair. Now they also gather in the center, but crumbs are allocated to the regions - and everything is taken out over the hill! (See statistics). And the saddest and most offensive thing is that everything was bought up by the Muscovites, mercilessly exploited, right up to the robbery ... They can't live here!
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 10: 00 New
        14
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I completely agree with you! All money always flocked to the center and distributed by region. More or less fair. Now they also gather in the center, but crumbs are allocated to the regions - and everything is taken out over the hill! (See statistics). And the saddest and most offensive thing is that everything was bought up by the Muscovites, mercilessly exploited, right up to the robbery ... They can't live here!

        This, of course, is bad, but even worse, the country’s common economic space is disappearing. Forest from border regions is transported to China, metal to Japan, grain to Turkey, etc. Why regions, with this approach, Moscow? We wrote above about the Khabarovsk flags at the rally, in our Kuban, during Cossack events, when the Russian anthem is played, everyone rises, and when the Kuban anthem is sung, they also sing along and take off their hats. In my opinion, these are disturbing symptoms.
      2. Essex62
        Essex62 20 July 2020 10: 11 New
        +6
        Only the term Muscovites cuts the ear. I do not rob you comrade. And I am a Muscovite in 4 knee. And yet, most of the burials, who settled in Moscow, from all the vast sixth of the land.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 20 July 2020 10: 25 New
          +8
          And no one means the Muscovites, they are on their own, but the Muscovites are burials, that's another matter! hi
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 10: 26 New
          +8
          Quote: Essex62
          Only the term Muscovites cuts the ear. I do not rob you comrade. And I am a Muscovite in 4 knee. And yet, most of the burials, who settled in Moscow, from all the vast sixth of the land.

          Alexander, forgive me, for God's sake, no one ever had the idea to offend ordinary Moscow workers, we, wherever we live, have nothing to share. Apparently, it was a question of the city authorities and businessmen affiliated with them, and indeed the Moscow (St. Petersburg) bourgeois always have more money and connections than the local bourgeois, because they buy up assets in the regions.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 20 July 2020 19: 11 New
            +2
            Yes, it is clear who you mean. It’s not pleasant that they wrote them down with them.
        3. siberalt
          siberalt 20 July 2020 12: 18 New
          -3
          In the fourth generation - this is when hordes of hungry and illiterate revolutionary peasants and peripheral gopniks flooded into Moscow after 1917 and began to shoot the indigenous people and take away their housing and property (read Bunin). Normal so "Fourth generation". There is a third, which after the Second World War and another, which buys up real estate on the robbery of the people. Well, which of you is indigenous? belay The root has its ancestors in generations of at least 200-300 years. hi And the rest are just aliens.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 20 July 2020 18: 53 New
            +1
            I am not proud of it, and I remember that the ancestors from the plow are Tambov, Tversky and Bulbash. And they shot you right. It is a pity that the matter was not brought to its logical conclusion. Eka climbed out of all the slits of the counter. Zakhrebetnikov, thieves and swindlers.
            Little did the White Guard write. Punishment for centuries of humiliation of the Russian peasant. Inevitability
            And where did I write that root?
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 16: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    The truth is in your wallet
    Truly ... Potatoes for 140 rubles, more expensive than bananas ....

    Our bananas have fallen in price, by the way - now 90 rubles laughing
    And potatoes from 80 to 110 rubles per kg
  • cradle
    cradle 21 July 2020 01: 43 New
    -1
    where .... damn it at 140? Cho for a gon? Left for a watch in April, she was at 18 ... in May, too, was at 18 (I asked my mother by phone)
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 21 July 2020 06: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: besik
      Cho for gon

      Quote: besik
      to 18 ...

      Where are such fertile lands? The cheapest was 35 rubles ... This is such a harsh reality. And it's not May, July ...
      1. cradle
        cradle 21 July 2020 09: 00 New
        -1
        Here I called my mom with a specialist, I was not too lazy. In Ramenskoye, YOUNG potato was 40 (!), But that was a long time ago. I asked to see it today. I will definitely write. For I do not like tryndesh ... about 110, for example!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 21 July 2020 09: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: besik
          In Ramenskoye,

          My boy, we are talking about Sakhalin .... Beyond the Khabarovsk Territory, just beyond the Tatar Strait! You are welcome to visit!
          1. cradle
            cradle 22 July 2020 09: 48 New
            0
            what kind of boy am i? And in Ramenskoye 35 rubles for yesterday. I have not been to Sakhalin, but I happened in Okhotsk ... sad places
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 22 July 2020 10: 33 New
              0
              Of course for me a boy, I'm over 70. And poking strangers is bad manners ...
  • zontov79
    zontov79 20 July 2020 05: 47 New
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    I can say by myself, I work but I am a beggar. I hope the protests in Khabarovsk spread to the whole of Siberia, otherwise working people will be poor.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 20 July 2020 06: 08 New
      -40
      Do you want to skip the country too?
      1. zontov79
        zontov79 20 July 2020 06: 23 New
        33
        I don’t want, I want to live normally, and not exist.
      2. fif21
        fif21 20 July 2020 08: 37 New
        20
        Quote: military_cat
        Do you want to skip the country too?

        And why such a country to people who live badly in it? What has been done for people over 30 years of good? And they want to edit to the grave. am
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 20 July 2020 08: 50 New
          -23
          Quote: fif21
          What has been done for people in 30 good years?

          Crimea returned. Do not think that someone forgot about him so quickly.
          1. fif21
            fif21 20 July 2020 09: 00 New
            15
            Quote: military_cat
            Crimea returned.

            And how many territories have you "donated"? Why are Russians being killed in Donbass? And the question was - what was done for the people? To raise their living standards. hi
            1. cradle
              cradle 21 July 2020 09: 23 New
              -1
              how much? Mercenaries of mattresses kill Russians in Donbass. And what they did for people is a common question. What exactly interests. You can dig in and dig
          2. sg7s
            sg7s 20 July 2020 09: 39 New
            11
            And what is the Crimea ?! Why is it needed if there is only poverty in the country? Exclude for a moment the maska ​​from the Russian Federation and - what picture ?! I was always against the Crimea (just don’t talk about patriotism - I cut it off, a deadline, a military sergeant with all the cases), because - well, we didn’t pull this strap and now we don’t pull it. 30 years have endured and because of the Crimea we still have to endure , you speak ? And when to live? Either the 90s, then the Crimea, - we will live normally, no? Ok, we are ready to be patient, then do everything possible and impossible to help the people. No - they help the oligarchs, small business collapses. All ordinary people endure sanctions because of the Crimea, and large companies do not go to the painted and such a wonderful Crimea, because they DO NOT WANT to endure the same sanctions. It's time for the Kremlin to decide - does it need Crimea? The prices there are outrageous with the devastation (6 years have passed) Average room in a good hotel (relatives in the Crimea) - 75 thousand for two days with unimportant service (a week ago). The products are expensive because large retailers are also not quite patriots and do not go there. Patriots are only ordinary people who were rotten in the 90s, who were robbed by the Chubais, and who are called to be "patriots" now, because "you can't swing", "it will be like in Ukraine", "you were bought by bulk" and other bikes for the plebs.
          3. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 10: 04 New
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            Quote: military_cat
            Crimea returned. Do not think that someone forgot about him so quickly.

            Crimea is returned and Ukraine is lost. And they recognized the pro-Fashi regime in Ukraine. Events in Ukraine whose foreign policy miscalculation?
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 20 July 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        Do you want to skip the country too?

        Hare to troll already !!! And I tell you so, it’s you, as an accomplice of Putinism, ruining the country.
        And so that you strengthen your brain activity, look with what flags Khabarovsk residents go to rallies, and they go out with the flag of the Khabarovsk Territory! Do you know what this is talking about?
        Think at your leisure what this can result in and who is to blame for this, unless, of course, if you still have the opportunity to think.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 08: 53 New
          -13
          Guess from three times where the Khabarovsk Territory will be, in the event of its separation? There is only one answer - in China. Only the Russians will not be there, the Chinese will put them out faster than the Central Asians in their time.
          And who benefits from heating up all these flags?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 20 July 2020 09: 05 New
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            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Guess from three times where the Khabarovsk Territory will be, in the event of its separation? There is only one answer - in China. Only the Russians will not be there, the Chinese will put them out faster than the Central Asians in their time.
            And who benefits from heating up all these flags?

            It’s really difficult for me to communicate with you; you don’t want to see farther than your own nose and tele-zombie.
            You do not want to understand that Zamkadye is a colony of Moscow (in the sense of central authority) and its domestic policy provokes the metropolis to rebel the regions, thereby destroying the country itself and it will no longer matter who falls off and where.
            Once again I repeat "the plan for the utilization of Russia" (read at your leisure) has entered its final stage and the main beneficiary of this process is Putinism.
            Threat. And also, just for everyone, if of course it comes to you, in order to hide all its crimes, eboputinism needs to destroy the country, there is no country and there is no demand.
            Is this clear? or will you continue to flood?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 13 New
              -14
              Clearly. Conspiracy theory. Reptilians do not interfere with life? Get medical treatment, my friend.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 20 July 2020 09: 29 New
                11
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Conspiracy theory. Do Reptilians interfere with life?

                But there is no conspiracy, there is a clear plan and everything goes according to this very plan, the rest is tinsel and verbal husk.
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Get medical treatment, my friend.

                Yeah, but I hope that life itself will cure you.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 31 New
                  -9
                  What is the plan? Fools do not have to break their feeder.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 20 July 2020 09: 53 New
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                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    AS Ivanov. (Andrei)

                    You not only do not know how to think, but also read, I made a recommendation on what to read.
                    Everything has already been divided, sold, 3 trillion exported, foreign shareholders occupy from 60 to 80% in the structures of Russian mining companies, it remains only to technically "legalize" everything, Deripaska is an example of how the aluminum industry and the West Siberian industry "floated away" from Russian jurisdiction energy. There is an algorithm.
                    But you're not interested in that, is it? You are interested in flooding and talking about putriotism and the 125th convoy.
                    Yes, and I'm not writing for you at all, nothing will help you, perhaps more reasonable people will read it and begin to understand what is happening.
                    Adjuos.
                    1. Oleg Skvortsov
                      Oleg Skvortsov 20 July 2020 10: 47 New
                      11
                      Stroporez, in vain you and ASIvanov are embarking on polemics. He is flesh from the flesh of this baryzhy power, such as asivanov - Putin's regime is held. You will never agree with him, it's like in 17
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 20 July 2020 11: 04 New
                        10
                        Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
                        Stroporez, in vain you and ASIvanov are embarking on polemics. He is flesh from the flesh of this baryzhy power, such as asivanov - Putin's regime is held. You will never agree with him, it's like in 17

                        Comrade, thanks for the support! soldier I understand that this is a Zatupinsky troll, but I am not writing for him, you cannot help him any more, this is Zublitsev under the namber, but let other people read and know that they are not alone in their thoughts. hi
                    2. Arlen
                      Arlen 20 July 2020 12: 39 New
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                      Quote: Stroporez
                      You are interested in flood and daldonit about putriotism and the 125th motorcade

                      -Who do the guys work for?
                      -To the owner.
                      -And we are on mom!
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 20 July 2020 09: 37 New
            12
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            And who benefits from heating up all these flags?

            I think to the one who created such a situation in Khabarovsk .. and nothing else. Of course, many can take advantage of the benefits, including enemies ... But it is the government that creates the situation. It is this family that systematically brings the population, which is called "to the handle" .. And by the way, you also participate in this through your "approvals".
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 44 New
              -17
              Was the governor one of the lads? Well, in principle, it happens: we had a purely concrete brother at the head of the enterprise, we called him the breadwinner: he paid good salaries and, in general, paid for his own. True, they banged him.
              1. Arlen
                Arlen 20 July 2020 14: 26 New
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                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Was the governor one of the lads?

                The arrest of the governor is, of course, a political step taken by the security forces with the approval of "above". And the accusation of organizing contract killings is the reason for the removal of Furgal from the post of governor. Is he mixed up in them or not? This will be decided by the investigation and the court. Moreover, the press has repeatedly written about Furgal's connections with criminals at the beginning of the XNUMXs.
                In this case, something else is interesting. It is hard to imagine that the power structures "overlooked" the biography of a politician of this magnitude. I think that many dubious episodes of Furgal's biography were familiar to them, as well as similar episodes of other politicians from other parties who make up the current political elite and shape the face of the current political system. I think the point is that an order was received from above to use incriminating evidence. But why and why? There are a lot of opinions.
            2. Selevc
              Selevc 20 July 2020 10: 16 New
              -1
              But it is the government that creates the situation.
              The Russian government of the Putin era is no different in its essence from the governments of the communist era and the tsar era ... "The tsar's servants" are sitting on the ground - I recently saw such an interview ... His face does not fit into the camera lens !!!
              In Russia, from time immemorial, such a scheme has been operating - Moscow collects revenues from the regions and then allocates money to them in local budgets ... But that’s the trick that they collect mountains and allocate crumbs !!! And people in Siberia and the Far East who literally live on gold, diamonds, oil and gas - they live surprisingly poorly !!! It is just such brothers who collect money - "the Tsar's servants" ... Brothers drive grandmothers to Moscow - Moscow turns a blind eye to their lawlessness on the ground ...
              But in Khabarovsk, as I understand it, a discrepancy turned out - the local "servant of the tsars" decided that - well, let Moscow be against him - but he is so strong that he will bend the capital under him with the help of a local zavorushki ... Well, he organized all this protest sensation .. ...
            3. depressant
              depressant 20 July 2020 12: 42 New
              11
              Svarog, but let's conclude Stoporez’s thought in the form of a conclusion, except for which there is no other. Namely: someone purposefully leads the country to collapse. I think so too. Surely there is a group of people who are closely involved in this. There is no other way to perceive what is happening. Taking into account the withdrawal abroad during the first quarter of $ 20 billion and the payment of over 400 billion rubles in dividends to its shareholders by unprofitable Gazprom. For this reason alone.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 20 July 2020 13: 32 New
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                Quote: depressant
                but let's finish the idea of ​​Stroporez in the form of a conclusion, except for which another does not beg.

                Greetings, Comrade!
                Quote: depressant
                Namely: someone purposefully leads the country to collapse. I think so too.

                There is no need to look for anyone and invent anything, everything was originally intended. Ebn broke the country, eliminated the Soviet power, gave away the bowels and large-scale industry - the first task was solved. It remained to solve the second task to save the loot and "dispose of Russia" and at first they thought to manage it in 4 years, for this they appointed a technical "director" who was blinded from the toga what happened, they came up with a biography, corrected the speech and facial expressions and promoted nuclear PR, precisely under the urgent request of the inhabitants. Gullible citizens quickly forgot the word receiver and happily lifted the "mask" to a pedestal.
                The thimblers wanted to "twist in fast" to clean up everything that was possible and dump, but they did better than they could have imagined. It turned out that the inhabitants did not understand the incorruptible Pinocchio poorly and did not draw conclusions from Gianni Rodari's fairy tales. And away we go, the first term for dancing with tambourines , drowned "Mir", gave Lourdes and Cam Ranh, dismembered RAO UES and threw a bone to the inhabitants, pay pensions on time, give cars on credit, turland and ebipet and more hell-jazz in a zombie box, fortunately, the dollar was overrun and then the prospects became clear. " The organ "can be twisted all the time, promise and rob, rob and promise, but you live a little better than, they say, in the 90s, well, sit there, don't hum.
                In the 90s, and the scoop could "ride" more, but it didn’t stick too much, the crisis of 2008 and then on you, krimnyash and kaklys'elisnigirey .. under this they destroyed the science of medicine, education, well, the population was noticeably reduced, and now they came beyond the territories and our lives ..
                There are two milestones of 2024 and 2030, but something went wrong and they are accelerating. You can’t believe this, then treat it like a fantasy.
                something like this. hi
                1. depressant
                  depressant 20 July 2020 14: 16 New
                  11
                  Someone will treat it like a fantasy. Me not. I see danger signs and tendencies. My whole country is dear to me, with all its inhabitants - they are my compatriots. We traveled together at the age of 30, we went along with it, all my relatives - and the harmful colleague Petrov, and the boring AS Ivanov - that's it! I don't want to find myself with them on opposite sides of the border ...
                  And these ... whoever they are - let them go! Let us finally be left alone! Send away all these Siluanovs, Nabiullins, Grefs, the vile crowd of oligarchs, the crowd of worthless upper and middle bureaucracy - the suffocating noose of the anaconda, tied around the neck of my Motherland ...
                  Once upon a time, empty store shelves served as the last impetus for the collapse of the USSR. Now this will not work - the trading fraternity will not allow. Well, not so, so it’s - the lack of work, the insignificant salaries of those who have it, the unbearable prices for food and essential goods. They will be found, vile. We must stop.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 20 July 2020 14: 33 New
                    +5
                    Quote: depressant
                    It must be stopped.

                    The first to understand in Shies, now here are the Khabarovsk ..
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 20 July 2020 15: 16 New
                      +4
                      That's right, Stop cutter, people, common people. They fight back all these "seagulls", positioning themselves as stray. But in Shies it was simple and understandable. In Khabarovsk, so far, people's thoughts have not been formalized in a specific form: the supreme predators are at the stage of dividing the country into parts and are pushing the population towards this ...
                      Who insisted that Furgal be elected governor? Do you think only Zhirinovsky? The pro-Putin Volodin himself! And pay attention - "insisted". So there were doubts? So they sensed a criminal smell behind Furgal! And then they knew. The question is, why did they support? And in order to weaken Plenipotentiary Trutnev, who has strengthened his position in the government, receiving no less oversight over the Arctic. And at the right time, that is, following the results of the Khabarovsk events, Volodin strikes at Trutnev, stating that he has exhausted the limit on errors. So it turns out that they are tearing each other to pieces there for tidbits of the country, and people have potatoes for 100 rubles or more - there is no time to deal with the country. And when people go out into the street, they are announced as paid separatists. With a full understanding that the thoughts of people in the separatist channel are directed by themselves.
                  2. Arlen
                    Arlen 20 July 2020 15: 02 New
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                    I read your comment and I remembered one leaflet of the RCWP regarding the 2018 elections, namely (I am writing with abbreviations, you can read it in full on the RCWP website in the leaflet section, the title "What to do so that they don't make a donkey out of you"):
                    The French have a saying about elections, referendums and other acts of bourgeois "democracy": Say "no" or "yes" - they will make a donkey out of you anyway.
                    Donkeys are made from voters here, first of all, by the suggestion that they will have a "fateful choice" for the future of Russia, where "every vote is important" and will determine what the country should be like, how its citizens will live further, and similar nonsense. Although we are talking about a well-staged and rehearsed performance ...
                    The meaning of the undertaking with a well-known result is to preserve the untouchable existing in Russia oligarchic power of big capital under the leadership of its current guarantor. And most importantly, the preservation of their capital, their property, their ability to redistribute huge national wealth in their favor, leaving nine-tenths of the working population with poverty, unemployment, economic bondage and political powerlessness ...
                    So what should the voter do in order not to turn out to be a donkey, in accordance with the scenario of power? In order not to support the actual rule of big wallets in Russia with your voice?
                    To "score", as they say, on these supposedly fateful elections and simply not to attend them? ...
                    Better to raise the percentage of those who reject this masquerade in principle. Come to the polling station to express your attitude to the existing government and its "elections". Express it briefly and succinctly.
                    And our real choice, comrades, we do not make a bulletin. We do it by opposing the capitalist system of oppression and lack of rights ...
                    Win together!
                    RKRP-KPSS
                    ROT FRONT
                    REC of the Congress of Workers' Councils
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 20 July 2020 19: 30 New
                      0
                      Chronic opportunists and red-trend morons. Here is a brief description of our modern leftist movement. All these socialists with communists who called to participate in the vote helped in fact the very power with which they are allegedly fighting.
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 21 July 2020 06: 36 New
                        +1
                        Whether or not to vote is a pointless question. The system is so not transparent and not under control that it does not even matter how they count, what matters is what is announced. What we have been seeing lately. The voting of electors in the states is also not an example of democracy, but there two clans are fighting for preferences based on the results and at least some kind of political competition are creating. One clan cleared the clearing with high quality. Our state grew out of the gangster redistributions of the 90s. So, in fact, it remains, only externally lacquered. The main indicator of this is the participation of service people in "commercial activities", which is incompatible with their status. Especially security officials.
                  3. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 15: 13 New
                    +7
                    Quote: depressant
                    Send away all these Siluanovs, Nabiullins, Grefs, the vile crowd of oligarchs, the crowd of worthless upper and middle bureaucracy - the suffocating noose of the anaconda, tied around the neck of my Motherland ...

                    I'm afraid, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, that they themselves won't want to leave. I think they will need help.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 20 July 2020 15: 31 New
                      +6
                      Yes, colleague, I understand that too well, the outburst was emotional. Only through solidarity. But what did the capital cities say? They sluggishly supported the Khabarovsk residents. Because of the rejection of the province of Moscow. And Moscow, by the way, is a labor one. It is not only the oligarchy who settled there. When the laboring provinces learn solidarity with the laboring Moscow and vice versa, then the matter will get off the ground. As in France. There, if anything, the whole country rises. All regions and all of us in general need to go through this kind of training.
                      1. Kisa
                        Kisa 20 July 2020 16: 52 New
                        +4
                        for me, "Muscovites" is a dirty word, as for the majority of those living in Primorye - of course, these are not residents of sleeping houses, but people trying to build their own loot - they bought up 5 ports and destroyed two shipyards ... then a Japanese used one. the auto industry was probably blocked logically, they defended their AvtoVAZ, although here in the Far East almost a third of the population fed on this ..... right now, all my classmates have become new residents of Krasnodar ---- there is nothing to do here without work without enterprises .... well, what a blinnn hectare
                2. Selevc
                  Selevc 20 July 2020 15: 37 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  It remained to solve the second problem to save the loot and "dispose of Russia" and at first they thought to manage it in 4 years, for this they appointed a technical "director" who was blinded from what was, came up with a biography, corrected speech and facial expressions and promoted nuclear PR, precisely for a pressing request inhabitants.

                  It is clear - Putin is a figure covering the super-holding Chubais and K !!! Putin is a cover figure - he was made exactly the way the crowd needed - an active judoka, nostalgic pilot, a decisive negotiator ... Putin's meaning of his rule is not in the revival of Russia - the meaning of his rule is to cover up the oligarchs hated by the people and, by the way, to remove a competitor as in the case of Khodorkovsky ...
                  At one time, many here wondered why he touched only Khodorkovsky and the rest? And the rest are not a threat to their clan !!! The most important competitor was removed - a man of the level of Chubais himself who could put his candidacy for the presidency instead of GDP !!!
                  In the end, I would like to note that the confrontation between Chubais and the people of Russia ended in the early 00s with the victory of Chubais !!! Who reliably covered up his mega-business in Russia with the coming to power of the GDP for 20 years !!! But in the early 00s the struggle was serious - they even shot at Chubais from an RPG !!!
            4. your1970
              your1970 21 July 2020 11: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: Svarog
              Of course, many can take advantage of the fruits, including enemies ... But it is the government that creates the situation... It is this family that brings the population systematically, which is called "to the handle" ..
              -Oh how !!!! His own Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU systematically brought the country and the population "to the handle" ???
              Cool .....
          3. ancient
            ancient 20 July 2020 09: 38 New
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            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Guess from three times where the Khabarovsk Territory will be, in the event of its separation?

            Why are you so drastic at once? There is no other option? ... Well, let's say ... "don't let it go ... income from the national heritage" wassat or .... move friends and associates away from the "trough" ?.
            And so far away ... there are a lot of .. "bloodless" variations and "without swaying ...." boats. wink
          4. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 20 July 2020 09: 44 New
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            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Only the Russians will not be there, the Chinese will expose them faster than the Central Asians in their time.

            And the Russians will not be there soon enough. Among young people under the age of 25, 40% are positive about the idea of ​​emigrating from Russia. Well it is more like Yes. An excellent result of 20 years of reign. Almost half are ready to leave the blessed hearth of stability and order.
            By the way. This is not only a mood, it is also a guide to action. Not only are they ready to blame, but the people are also dumping. At the end of last year, transfers of individuals from Russia fell by 20%, but to Russia they increased approximately the same. I decipher the thought for those who are not able to perceive complex information. Not only specialists in demand in other countries bring down from the country, but also Uzbeks and Tajiks, who traditionally come to work. However, we are catching up at an accelerated pace with our neighbors, the very Ukraine that we are used to making fun of.
            Together with a brilliant demography, by the way, Rosstat reports say that the birth rate is 9.2 in January-May, this is the level of 95, and by December we will drop to 96, the Khabarovsk Territory will be empty very soon without separation.
          5. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 10: 06 New
            +6
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Guess from three times where the Khabarovsk Territory will be, in the event of its separation? There is only one answer - in China. Only the Russians will not be there, the Chinese will put them out faster than the Central Asians in their time.
            And who benefits from heating up all these flags?

            You better answer who bred all these flags? Again Stalin, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin are to blame?
          6. Kisa
            Kisa 20 July 2020 16: 32 New
            +3
            and you offer Primorye Khabarovsk to work for Moscow to the end ,? Look at the dynamics of leaving the region over the past 20 years, a third of the population fled ..... how do you see the situation in 30 years ???? a question for you personally. will you or your friends go to live here ??? - you are our patriot
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 20 July 2020 09: 19 New
          -7
          who needs to separate Khabarovsk? enemies
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 20 July 2020 09: 54 New
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            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            who needs to separate Khabarovsk? enemies

            And who are these enemies? Show us these bastards and we will destroy them together with you!
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 20 July 2020 10: 11 New
              -7
              enemies those who want to separate
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 20 July 2020 10: 17 New
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                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                enemies those who want to separate

                Who wants to? You are just a troll yes laughing
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 20 July 2020 13: 35 New
                  -6
                  many video bloggers on YouTube speak about the separation
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 15: 17 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    many video bloggers on YouTube speak about the separation

                    All this has already happened, "enough to feed Moscow," we heard enough back in the 90s.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 10: 32 New
                +7
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                enemies those who want to separate

                Not only, but also those who set the stage for this. For example, it destroys the common economic space, makes it so that it would be cheaper to go to China to have a rest than to the Crimea, etc.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 20 July 2020 13: 37 New
                  -2
                  Of course from Khabarovsk to China is cheaper than in the Crimea))))
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 14: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Nastia Makarova
                    Of course from Khabarovsk to China is cheaper than in the Crimea))))

                    This is not right. Under the USSR, internal rail and air transportation was dated. For example, a ticket from Nakhodka to Moscow cost 120 rubles, and from Tashkent to Moscow about 48 rubles.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 16: 41 New
                      +1
                      120 rubles, Soviet rubles - this is the whole salary of a young specialist. Now from Moscow to Vladik a ticket costs 17-25 sput. The same, and without any subsidies.
        3. cradle
          cradle 21 July 2020 09: 29 New
          -2
          Listen, sign me up as accomplices of Putinism, please. You can only smear it. To do something, just like fif21: what did they do for the people? They gave you a damn opportunity. This is all that a normal man needs, and not smear snot on the keyboard. And if there are narrow-minded "Furgal patriots", then who is their doctor?
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 July 2020 10: 48 New
        +8
        Quote: military_cat
        Do you want to skip the country too?

        Your government has already sold it all.
        1. cradle
          cradle 21 July 2020 09: 31 New
          -2
          My power pulled the country out of the ass of the 90s, my power pulls the country out of the colonial dependence of the United States, where YOUR power drove it ...
      5. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 20 July 2020 22: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: military_cat
        Do you want to skip the country too?

        The country is not the Motherland, you can send. The ruling authorities of the former country from 15 republics have sent them.
        Now they are called "patriots".
        Wo how.
    2. Malyuta
      Malyuta 20 July 2020 06: 24 New
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      Quote: zontov79
      I can say by myself, I work but I am a beggar. I hope the protests in Khabarovsk spread to the whole of Siberia, otherwise working people will be poor.

      I am very sorry, but I hope that the protests will spread throughout the country.
      1. zontov79
        zontov79 20 July 2020 06: 27 New
        +2
        I agree with you!
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 20 July 2020 06: 43 New
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          Comrade, the fact is that the authorities treat citizens like an obedient and obedient cattle, considering that the population is the second oil and it can be "milked" dry, and if they start talking, they can beat them on the hump with a club.
          Only the snickering bureaucrats do not understand that there is a tensile strength and this limit is very close and everything is ready to "tear the fabric".
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 20 July 2020 07: 33 New
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            Quote: Malyuta
            Comrade, the fact is that the government treats citizens like an obedient and obedient cattle, considering that the population is the second oil and it can be "milked" dry, and if they start talking, you can beat the hump with a club ... .....
            In the traditions of the pre-revolutionary landowners, it was necessary to increase pressure on the peasants in order to provide themselves with a life at the level of foreign rich people --- travel to distant resorts, buy diamonds, furnish palaces richly and beautifully ... and no one is talking about the possibilities or improving the life of the peasants I thought I didn’t even imagine.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 20 July 2020 07: 49 New
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              .. and no one even thought about the possibilities or improving the life of the peasants.

              The difference is that now they pretend to think about the "peasants" .. but in fact, they only pretend .. But nothing has changed, the competition for whom the yacht is longer continues ..
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 20 July 2020 08: 05 New
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                Quote: Svarog
                .... The difference is that now they pretend to think about the "peasants" .. but in fact, they only pretend .. But nothing has changed, the competition for whom the yacht is longer continues ..
                then, before the revolution, too, then there was a "pretend" ----- Stolypin reform ..... and, by the way, now somehow they have stopped remembering Stolypin. At one time, post-Soviet liberals tried to make all of him a great man.
          2. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 20 July 2020 08: 03 New
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            Malyuta! Regarding "talking" - it is not just ordinary people who speak hype, but children of "snickering bureaucrats" who became bored after foreign tours, and they want everything to be like in Paris with yellow vests. Do you consider these people the people and your defenders? I understand what kind of trouble came to us with the covid. There is no need to argue that there is no covid, they say, officials invented it - I don’t believe it, because my acquaintances were ill and told what a terrible dirty trick it is when you lie on your stomach and breathe with difficulty. There is also no need to blame the doctors - they did what they could, and for the first time faced with this infection. The Khabarovsk protests are different - the people are participating there, but it is not clear to me - I have not met any protesters' statements that Furgal did not kill anyone - the slogan is "release and basta." In addition, Furgal is an official of all stripes, he also sat out in the Duma. He's not of other bloods and didn't get drunk? No, he's a billionaire. So where does the love for Furgal come from? I believe that you cannot equate mediocre Medvedev with Mishustin. Remember "there is no money, but you are holding on." Mishustin is different. Our grandchildren received 10000 rubles on the very first day of the month, and without much trouble. so this one found the money. so we'll take a look.
            1. adler87
              adler87 20 July 2020 08: 25 New
              11
              If the wagon was a billionaire, then we would have known about this for a long time. And the clock would show us, and mansions and apartments in Moscow and elsewhere. But not all of this!
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 20 July 2020 08: 51 New
                -5
                Quote: adler87
                If the wagon was a billionaire, then we would have known about this for a long time. And the clock would show us, and mansions and apartments in Moscow and elsewhere. But not all of this!

                ===
                the purchase, resale of scrap metal is a ubiquitous way of earning or laundering criminal money. you probably don’t know
                1. ancient
                  ancient 20 July 2020 09: 44 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Victorio
                  the purchase, resale of scrap metal is a ubiquitous way of earning or laundering criminal money. you probably don’t know

                  Why don't you remember the classics? Just change the name of the city and that's it ... wassat
                  1. Victorio
                    Victorio 20 July 2020 13: 23 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ancient
                    Why don't you remember the classics? Only change the name of the city and that’s it.

                    ===
                    and it was necessary to do so, for a better perception
              2. mikh-korsakov
                mikh-korsakov 20 July 2020 09: 08 New
                -6
                By the way, they showed an apartment in Moscow. As for the clock?
            2. Aag
              Aag 21 July 2020 15: 32 New
              0
              https://www.facebook.com/100008648178257/posts/2422403634724552/?sfnsn=scwspwa&extid=bkBeBHOGR2HDWkYe
      2. fif21
        fif21 20 July 2020 08: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: Malyuta
        I am very sorry, but I hope that the protests will spread throughout the country.

        No need to apologize! The class struggle is just beginning. hi
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 08: 55 New
        -14
        Do you think that if the country collapses, as our "friends" dream about, you will live better? Well, the West, first of all, will lower your retirement age. Probably like in Iraq. Or Libya.
      4. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 20 July 2020 09: 20 New
        -16
        after protests, people will become poorer
      5. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 38 New
        -12
        Is your real surname Biden? Not?
      6. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 09: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: Malyuta
        I am very sorry, but I hope that the protests will spread throughout the country.

        So what...? belay
        "Talking mustache" has already expressed an official position - ... "People expressed almost unanimous support" ... wassat
        Everything ..... Finita la comedia wassat
    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 20 July 2020 09: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: zontov79
      I can say by myself, I work but I am a beggar. I hope the protests in Khabarovsk spread to the whole of Siberia, otherwise working people will be poor.

      Do you know who is leading the protests? A party that has a program of action and active members who enjoy the confidence of the common people? I do not know who is behind the organization of the protests. Therefore, I do not know their true goals. Even if the people got sick and someone took to the streets.
      PS Today I partially watched "Military Review" at night. How Americans live. Be filled with optimism about how we live well or pessimism when you understand the future of the government. wink Very helpful tips. wink How to wash without water or stretch a roll of toilet paper for a year. Or why in the USA you can’t dig into the trash can.
      I didn’t finish it, it’s too late. But, we must see the ending. Remember the Buryats with a machine gun against the Georgians? Alive, however! The interview with him was supposed to be shown.
      1. zontov79
        zontov79 20 July 2020 09: 42 New
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        First of all, with America here, I want to live well at home, not in the sense of being a millionaire or a billionaire, but that would be enough for a decent life, if a person works, he should live a decent life. And secondly, do not break the rubbish as everything is bad in America !! I don't care about America, even if it becomes Africa. I want to live normally in my country !! You don't have to answer, I understand who you are.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 20 July 2020 10: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: zontov79
          You don't have to answer, I understand who you are.

          Well done! The Ancient One has already answered you.
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 20 July 2020 22: 56 New
        +1
        Tasbolat Ibrashev.
    4. ancient
      ancient 20 July 2020 09: 34 New
      +7
      Quote: zontov79
      I hope the protests in Khabarovsk spread to the whole of Siberia, otherwise working people will be poor.

      And do not hope, as the "current protests" will not have any positive result: any action must always have a very specific goal.! wink
      For social protests, for example, the fulfillment of any specific requirements of protesters.
      Political protests always have one goal - the struggle for power.
      Today there is neither one nor the other that is understandable - the protests are not organized, spontaneous, people just throw out emotions.
      In general, the positive agenda of such vectorless events is always the same, "Happiness is a gift for everyone, and let no one leave offended." wassat
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 20 July 2020 10: 31 New
        0
        Quote: ancient
        protests are not organized, spontaneous, people just throw out their emotions.

        There is such a thing. There are reasons for protests. One of the reasons is the roots of this article.
        Two going fishing agree on what, where, when and how much to take. wink Not spontaneous. There are organizers. Who are they and their goals?
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 July 2020 06: 07 New
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    Finally! I pointed out this "method" a year and a half ago - look into my wallet. True, then it was connected with the next sanctions and I doubted that I was "better" from them ...
    Pecked! And they called the beggars, and offered to chip in "for poverty" ...
    But I remember how the dollars in the purse, after the exchanger, before the foreign tour, could hardly fit, like cards from banks in their pockets were "confused" ...
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 July 2020 07: 46 New
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But I remember how the dollars in the purse, after the exchanger, before the foreign tour, could hardly fit, like cards from banks in their pockets were "confused" ...

      When was that? Or are you, my friend, a smuggler? wink
      1. depressant
        depressant 20 July 2020 11: 15 New
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        What is really going on? If earlier, that is, in the era of using the old tools of production, the "extra" part of the population in the form of the unemployed was needed to moderate the "appetites" of the workers, they say, you see, there is a line in your place, so do not grumble about low wages and be grateful that you have it at all, then everything has changed by now. The changes took place gradually, therefore, they were invisible to us. But now, it has accumulated. Due to the consistent introduction of new generation tools into production, huge masses of people are simply not needed. This is on the one hand.
        On the other hand, the country's leadership has taken a course towards the priority development of the military industry, nuclear industry and extractive industries, the rest as annexes to them, that is, in the minimum required number and volume. For example, light industry and the second, final, redistribution of minerals in the form of household items - almost in the corral. And if earlier the leadership, wanting to at least somehow occupy the population, allowed at least screwdriver assemblies from foreign parts, selling us to foreigners as cheap labor in our own territory, now it seems that times have changed all over the world, a large number of us are hardly whether someone needs it.
        The government is still ready to feed the population with rare handouts from its not very generous hand. But it is no longer ready to support jobs that are not interesting to it and, from its point of view, are redundant. It means that the number of people who previously occupied these places is excessive. The uselessness of people creates a colossal social alienation between the population and the government. What is the reason for the unrest in Khabarovsk? I am sure that most of those who went to the rallies are working. While working. Awareness of their future lack of demand as a labor force due to the ill-considered policy of the central government brings Khabarovsk residents to the streets. People do not need handouts, they need demand! And if lack of demand looms on the economic horizon, but it looms as a result of the monopoly policy supported by the central government,
        then - massive protests and expressions of disloyalty to the center of decision-making. Furgal - he only supported the illusion of the demand for people with simple methods. There is no Furgal, there is no illusion, the veil is asleep.
        Demand is when a person not only has a job, but also receives a decent salary.
        Nowadays, the demand for man, as sociologists paradoxically put it, is becoming a commodity that cannot be bought for money.
        As a result, society is no longer economic, it is political, the rich with handouts from the poor will no longer pay off, because the handout you received means that you are superfluous on this earth ...
        Yes, not long ago our leisure class generated meanings and values ​​that at the very least lead to the humanization and development of society, and now, on the basis of new technological capabilities and the forced international division of labor (they have fit into world capitalism!), They have caught up and selfishly took care of themselves and only themselves. The class of our oppressors has finally thrown off the mask and no longer creates any such values, and supports the former only with words. On the contrary, the class of oppressors forces the society of our country to take into account their, oppressors, interests more and more actively, and just as actively asks for everything from the TV screen and forgives understanding. Still asking. Or while he asks. By instilling in us the idea that their, oppressors, interests are the interests of all of us. Part of the population is led to this. Thus, imperceptibly for oneself getting used to take into account the demands of the oppressors, no matter how absurd they are, these demands may be. Like "have to tighten their belts."
        But autumn, namely the beginning of October, is close.
    2. Kochegarkin
      Kochegarkin 20 July 2020 09: 28 New
      +6
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I remember how the dollars in the purse, after the exchanger, before the foreign tour could hardly fit, like cards from banks in their pockets were "confused" ...


      you know, I have been working all my 22 years of conscious working life, and with some advancement in the career ladder, upwards, I started as a mechanic, now the head of a small shop. I changed employers, but never to have dollars in my wallet, and even a foreign tour, but this is the ultimate dream. I am glad that the minority, because of the sanctions, is bad, I am glad that the thieves are being pressed to the nail, sorry not for all, but I hope the rest will die before the scheduled time. I am glad that they stopped letting everyone abroad, I and millions of Russians are glad that it has become "bad" to live for hucksters and bribe-takers. We are hard workers, those who provide income, we are glad that you feel bad.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 20 July 2020 09: 44 New
        +8
        I am the embodiment of the "American Dream".
        The institute, the mechanic of the reinforced concrete workshop, pulled out the construction project into a booming company, and here I am - an engineer at the construction site. A foreign business trip is turned up for almost a year. To Turkmenistan. After it, purchase a one-room apartment and move from a working dormitory. Normal salary. The birth of a second child, the purchase of an inexpensive car, another business trip - almost half a year in Germany. We sold a one-room apartment, bought a two-room apartment. And then...
        And then sanctions, and the recession began in my career ... I went to a less prestigious job, the same car, the apartment is the same ... I managed to bring my family to Egypt and Turkey, flew with my wife to Europe ... In the near future, nothing like this not planned.
        And he started out as a simple shop mechanic. Elbow-deep in fuel oil and sodidol. So you shouldn't blame me for snobbery. I was lucky a couple of times and I did not disdain work.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 20 July 2020 10: 38 New
          +6
          The thing is that you are elbow-deep in fuel oil and with a ruptured navel, you only have a kopeck piece and not an expensive car. And someone's kids, not even effective managers, just kids leave this "kopeck piece" in a tavern for the evening. Thirty years ago I would have kicked in the face for suggesting such a situation in my country.
        2. Kochegarkin
          Kochegarkin 20 July 2020 10: 41 New
          +4
          and I started by digging holes in my hometown, after graduation, because getting a job in my specialty cost money that I did not have. Changed several enterprises, and tried all the way up. do not chase a crane in the sky, but hold a titmouse in your hands, a cheap little machine and no home of your own ... 3 children and a glimpse in life are not visible, and many of my friends are in the same situation, someone has inherited housing. In the provinces, they only heard about good salaries, top managers of large companies get good money, and the remaining 90%, if not bread and water, buy, then only because they have a part-time job, sometimes he himself worked in 2 places, in addition to his main job ...
          so ... it's a shame for us that we all seem to be working, and each of us more than 8 hours a day, including weekends, and the income is different, and not just different, but catastrophically different.
          Black envy, the most terrible thing that can be in the hearts of people, has settled for a long time, it is she who can push a person to a terrible sin. From this and gloating, when the second Mercedes at the neighbor burned down.
  • Avior
    Avior 20 July 2020 06: 12 New
    +8
    . It turned out that an average of 17,7 thousand rubles. That's all the stash. By the way, these free 17 thousand are somehow badly correlated with the 15 thousand on which half the country supposedly lives.

    It seems the author is confusing long with green - mean and median.
    The fact that the average is 17 thousand, this means that there are those who have 34 thousand, and there are those who have zero thousand.
    In the context of a strong stratification of income, as the author herself writes about, these 17 thousand are like the average temperature in a hospital.
    Not to mention the fact that 17 thousand in her article is for a family, and 15 thousand are unclear to whom, she just didn’t write, is this the salary of the worker or income per family member?
    If the income per family member, then this figure is quite close to the "17 thousand-middle class" from the President.
    She carefully analyzed the desires for wages by groups, probably it would be worth doing the same with real wages, so that it becomes clear why 64 percent of the population has no savings at all.
    And there are a lot of such exaggerations on the article
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 July 2020 06: 13 New
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    I believe that a huge number of Russians live on the verge or below the verge of poverty.

    I want to share my own observations. Most of the people who work with me in the company constantly complained about the poverty and the variety of the menu, which consisted of the last unsalted genital organ. During my work, I never went on vacation abroad, did not buy an apartment, did not buy a car, but the "mourners" were always whining about the lack of money while discussing the problems of passing technical inspections and winter tires, comparing the geographical advantages of China, Thailand and Turkey and preferences living in Lesnaya Polyana and other new buildings in the city.
    I can say for sure that today my wife and I can be content (without frills and grease) with a total pension (about 45 rubles).
    I note that at the same time we will not be able to afford expensive things or trips on vacation (even to the Crimea). I note that our total working experience is more than 90 years. What happened, it happened ...
    Sorry, but at the same time, doubts are taking me that in order to fully satisfy their own needs, some servant of the people who can only boast of the pension reform and the approved amount of VAT and minimum wage signed on the “FOR” lists must have an income of even BILLION rubles may simply not fit into your income statement.
    Now about those who are “forced to tighten their belts” ... If your life was disgustingly bad, as you are telling the world about it, then your servants would have long been sticking out on the pitchfork. Your tolerance and complacency shows that life is simply patting you on the head, putting aside the monkey wrench for the future.
  • Siberia
    Siberia 20 July 2020 06: 16 New
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    Those who live in the capitals do not understand how the province lives on 12-20 tons. per person. And everything is simple - there is no well-paid job - accordingly, many of the notorious mrot and get it. Tatyana, you forget that in our country half of the pensioners and most of them get in the region of this mole. Plus there are the so-called marginal people who do not work at all, but live, as a rule, at the expense of the pensions of their own old people. And those who are at the labor exchange (several million), and everyone knows that they do not pay much there. There is also a category of families with children, where the more children, the lower the average per capita income. Plus there is a category of people serving sentences in a colony (I don’t know if their income is taken into account in official statistics). Well, of course there are gray salaries where they officially pay a mole - unofficially a little more.
    Ps: as for the Rosstat figures ... For any sane person who goes to the store himself, it is obvious that their figures have nothing to do with real inflation ... For example, that year in my city you could buy the cheapest apples for 60 rubles / kg, and now only 150 rubles / kg ...
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 20 July 2020 06: 34 New
      -48
      Behind the Moscow Ring Road, salaries are several times lower than in Moscow. It's true. But it should be borne in mind that every inhabitant of the Zamkadye has a vegetable garden and a private farm. The inhabitants of the Zamkadye eat from vegetable gardens, raise poultry and livestock. Therefore, they need money only for clothing and utility bills. So it was quite fair to set them lower salaries than in the capital, where you have to buy food, among other things. 
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 20 July 2020 06: 54 New
        41
        Quote: military_cat
        Behind the Moscow Ring Road, salaries are several times lower than in Moscow. It's true. But it should be borne in mind that every inhabitant of the Zamkadye has a vegetable garden and a private farm. The inhabitants of the Zamkadye eat from vegetable gardens, raise poultry and livestock. Therefore, they need money only for clothing and utility bills. So it was quite fair to set them lower salaries than in the capital, where you have to buy food, among other things.

        WHAT?????? am Where are you broadcasting from? Do you even know how Zamkadye lives? What the hell is "cattle garden"? Domestic livestock has completely killed the state, and you won't be full of cucumbers and cabbage.
        You got drunk already there in the masked game and got fucked up in the end, you live off the provinces and you also spread rot on us!
        Shl. I fully support Khabarovsk residents in their main slogans!
        1. ZAV69
          ZAV69 20 July 2020 07: 43 New
          14
          Comrade campaign just decided to fast.
          1. ancient
            ancient 20 July 2020 09: 50 New
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            Quote: ZAV69
            Comrade campaign just decided to fast.

            Why .... works out bully
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 20 July 2020 07: 52 New
          23
          Quote: Malyuta
          WHAT?????? Where are you broadcasting from? IN

          Their parallel universe .. Didn’t you notice that people like aliens began to appear .. and more and more they appear ..
          1. ancient
            ancient 20 July 2020 09: 51 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            that people like aliens began to appear .. and more and more they appear more and more ..

            And this is just a zombie generation ... well, or ... "loyal subjects"
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 08: 59 New
          -13
          Livestock farming, for your information, has killed the availability of grocery products. Now the rural ones, even the potatoes are no longer planted: why, in the store nearby they are sold all year round.
        4. Essex62
          Essex62 20 July 2020 16: 17 New
          +2
          Even though I am on the border of the Moscow Ring Road, inside, I will fully support you
          Just don't be so nervous. This demon wrote, or a troll in bourgeois Newspeak. It kindles inhumans and gloats. Their turn will surely come immediately after or together with the owners.
      2. fif21
        fif21 20 July 2020 08: 44 New
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        Quote: military_cat
        Residents of the castle feed from the gardens, grow poultry and livestock.

        fool Are you an alien or a theorist like not Dimona! hi
      3. Victorio
        Victorio 20 July 2020 08: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: military_cat
        Behind the Moscow Ring Road, salaries are several times lower than in Moscow. It's true. But it should be borne in mind that every inhabitant of the Zamkadye has a vegetable garden and a private farm. The inhabitants of the Zamkadye eat from vegetable gardens, raise poultry and livestock. Therefore, they need money only for clothing and utility bills. So it was quite fair to set them lower salaries than in the capital, where you have to buy food, among other things. 

        ===
        why should prices in Moscow be higher, and, accordingly, the salaries of residents of Moscow, as well as other large cities, in fact? somehow did without this swindle and collective insanity during the ussr
      4. ancient
        ancient 20 July 2020 09: 49 New
        10
        Quote: military_cat
        But it should be borne in mind that every inhabitant of the Zamkadye has a vegetable garden and a private farm.

        And what are you ... a "naive" (but most likely .. "fooling") person .. you do not know that the garden and the backyard always really wants to "DRINK" and .. "IS" or you have everything ... "to the Tsar's command and ... according to his will" wassat
        Quote: military_cat
        raise poultry and livestock.

        Yeah ... and poultry and cattle ..... "feed on the holy spirit" ..... and they do not need "utilities" wassat
        Quote: military_cat
        So it was quite fair to set them lower salaries than in the capital,

        That's right ... and still enter FILM wassat
      5. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 20 July 2020 10: 03 New
        13
        in your Zamkadye village consists of gardens, or what? Do you know that the bulk of the population of Zamkadye lives in cities, large and small? What the hell is a vegetable garden and cattle in the city?
    2. V1er
      V1er 20 July 2020 06: 39 New
      11
      By the way, I also noticed this. Quite recently, at the beginning of June, I saw green apples at 90r / kg. I even took one. And yesterday I looked at the same apples for 150 rubles. To say that I am surprised is to say nothing.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 20 July 2020 09: 07 New
      11
      Quote: Siberia
      Those who live in the capitals do not understand how the province lives on 12-20 tons. per person.

      Not per person, but per working person, children do not count.
  • 1536
    1536 20 July 2020 06: 22 New
    +7
    Almost according to A.P. Chekhov. Workers arrived to dig a well. They dug, having trampled half the garden, constantly asking for a bucket of sand, then rebar, then electricity, etc., while everything had to be paid for and a lot. A third of the "15 thousandth income" for each sneeze, for example, only for the delivery of rings to the site. At the same time I ordered a "house" for the well, I thought that at the same time as the well was dug, I would also be pleased with its appearance. They brought it a week later, threw it right on the "clay castle", which collapsed under one wall of the house a day later. I had to strengthen and improve everything. The inside of the house is unpainted, I had to paint over. A chain / cable for lifting a bucket of water ... the company does not sell ... I had to buy it. I spent a lot of money and nerves, departing from the cost of 30 thousand (!) Declared on the site of "diggers".
    Is this a job? Yes, we can say that they found a "sucker" (mating salmon during mating season - Wikipedia). It is unlikely that the guys who dug received a lot, their work is very difficult, and I do not regret the money spent. (Necessity!) Alas, today workers receive less than their "managers" -bosses. But hundreds of thousands took to the streets in the 1990s, so that, apparently, it was so? Therefore, the fact remains that you can work a lot, you can bawl even more on the streets and squares in the hope of catching fish in troubled waters, but salmon is not found everywhere. Such are the impressions of a summer vacation.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 July 2020 07: 49 New
      +4
      ..... but after all, hundreds of thousands took to the streets in the 1990s so that would be exactly so ......

      At night today, these are the demonstrations and saw on TV .. just 1990, May .. Slogans on the red flags ---- the government! You give more socialism!
      That's what. We must look for such demonstrations on the net.
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 20 July 2020 10: 07 New
      0
      you know, in our city, digging a well (rings / concrete cover) costs 40-45 tr (get hard workers and the boss 50/50) .. without any "houses", maybe you just had to not chase the cheapness? There is no freebie ..
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 35 New
        -1
        We have a well of 4 thousand ring, without the cost of material. Sabbats, without any bosses.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2020 06: 31 New
    11
    Everything will be fine. Life is getting better. Requests must be tempered. Tighten, a bit of a belt. The truth is, snickering. smile
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 July 2020 06: 58 New
      +5
      True, snickering.
      Sarcasm?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 July 2020 13: 29 New
        +1
        "- Nestor Petrovich, do you have a sense of humor?
        - Sarcasm. "(C)
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 20 July 2020 07: 26 New
      +2
      And really, you’ll go to the beach, there are so many well-fed ones, it’s time to normalize the weight, but how do you want to eat? lol fellow lol
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 20 July 2020 07: 37 New
        10
        Quote: Ros 56
        And really, you’ll go to the beach, there are so many well-fed ones, it’s time to normalize the weight, but how do you want to eat?

        Colleague, what are you talking about?
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 20 July 2020 07: 40 New
          +3
          Is it really unclear, I laugh. On the one hand, the chronic lack of money, on the other hand, the population is chronically overweight, I don’t know how to put this together. hi
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 July 2020 07: 44 New
            17
            If you eat bread, potatoes and pasta, excess weight is a consequence sad
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 20 July 2020 08: 09 New
              +6
              I would not argue so, in Soviet times we ate 100% less fruits and vegetables, mainly during the season. And now all year round everything is in stores and on the market.
              But the quality is yes. Somehow I looked at the dock on the box. a film about one dairy plant, so milk carriers don’t drop in, just a word, only trucks with big bags to the eyeballs, and from there the whole set of milk goes to the shops. And where have you seen milk stored for almost a month, when natural milk on the second day begins to sour. And the meat too, I have not smell the meat smell for a long time, as before, even when I twist the minced meat myself. I am silent about the palm tree.
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 July 2020 08: 12 New
                +3
                And this too, but the prices for fruits and vegetables are often inadequate, and the situation of lack of money itself does not have to worry about a balanced diet
                , and some people, frankly, don't care just
              2. parusnik
                parusnik 20 July 2020 08: 27 New
                +9
                I bought apples in the "six" ... I could not eat them, they lay on my platter for another two months, for beauty, shriveled, but they did not rot ... laughing
                1. Ros 56
                  Ros 56 20 July 2020 08: 51 New
                  +2
                  So buy local ones with a wormhole, which means edible, since the worm did not disdain, and not paint and varnish products because of the hillock. And the price is cheaper.
                  1. parusnik
                    parusnik 20 July 2020 09: 50 New
                    +6
                    Local, only summer-autumn ...
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 20 July 2020 07: 55 New
            16
            Quote: Ros 56
            On the one hand, there is a chronic lack of money, on the other hand, the population is chronically overweight, how to do it,

            It's very simple .. because of poor quality nutrition .. and because of diseases, such as diabetes ..
          3. Darkesstcat
            Darkesstcat 20 July 2020 07: 59 New
            +6
            Usually associated with poor quality food and lack of exercise.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 08 New
              -10
              Do not eat in three throats and move more, religion forbids?
              1. Darkesstcat
                Darkesstcat 20 July 2020 09: 10 New
                0
                Laziness. At the university, making people run around the same way as our teacher was. (
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 09: 29 New
                  -6
                  But what kind of run is there: a couple of kilometers on foot, most of them lazily walk - they go to the bakery by car. Under the window is a sports ground with the simplest simulators - there are only young people. And in supermarkets, these starving foods are rowed - carts with a slide.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 20 July 2020 10: 23 New
                    +3
                    I agree, sport is at least a little bit, for some reason, over the years, most people get harder and harder .. although I myself know that there is no strength after work, but if you walk or ride a bike and you get strength .. in Japan it is customary to walk 3 km after work and the whole country in the evening goes .. promotion of a healthy lifestyle is needed from the state then obesity will not be a problem, but you won't make much money from this, why invest?)
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 26 New
                      -4
                      Yes, it seems, from every iron there are talks about a healthy lifestyle. A cloud of sports grounds has been built. How else can people get themselves involved? A whip?
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 20 July 2020 10: 30 New
                        0
                        But who knows .. Probably until you yourself want, it won't work .. Was a week ago in Sudak, on the beach 8 out of 10 citizens are not in shape, varying degrees of neglect .. and regardless of age .. when 30 years old and already a pub it’s certainly not through any gates .. However, everyone lives his own body) But as the trainer said, you need to eat less, Auschwitz did not lose weight .. very rude of course .. but the meaning is clear ..
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 10: 41 New
                        -2
                        That's right - the people eat in three gulps, and even swells, although less, and then wonders where the diabetes-strokes-heart attacks come from. Yeah, health care is to blame - it forcefully feeds from a shovel. One of the wise said: "With our teeth we sing to ourselves a grave."
        2. ancient
          ancient 20 July 2020 09: 53 New
          +7
          Quote: Ros 56
          on the other hand, the population is chronically overweight, I can’t imagine how to put it together.

          Stop watching "zombie" and eat natural products, not soy + palm and everything flavored with antibiotics wassat wassat
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 July 2020 11: 16 New
          +5
          Quote: Ros 56
          how to dock it, I can’t imagine.

          A couple of more years on palm oil, and you will be able to see not such fat trusts. lol
    3. fif21
      fif21 20 July 2020 08: 48 New
      10
      Quote: Ros 56
      And really, you’ll go to the beach, there are so many well-fed ones, it’s time to normalize the weight,

      These are victims of "bush" legs and sick cores eating GMOs and other poison, called food in stores. hi
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 20 July 2020 08: 57 New
        0
        God be with you, Bush’s legs haven’t been around for 15 years already, we have provided ourselves with chicken and egg. Although it may exist somewhere, our country is large.
        1. fif21
          fif21 20 July 2020 09: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: Ros 56
          Yes, God bless you, Bush's legs have not been there for 15 years already, we have completely provided ourselves with chicken and eggs.

          laughing "Bush legs" are gone, and the consequences of their use will make themselves felt for a long time! There is an anecdote about our chicken: If you catch a cold, get sick - eat chicken! There are so many antibiotics in it! hi
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 20 July 2020 09: 31 New
            -12
            buy normal chicken and not the cheapest one in magnet
        2. ancient
          ancient 20 July 2020 09: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Ros 56
          We have provided ourselves with chicken and eggs.

          Do you have ... there are private traders nearby who raise chickens and ducks .... provided ....... with what they provided ... not what they have ..... you can't look at them wassat ... and you pull everything in your mouth ..... and think a little bit
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 July 2020 11: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Ros 56
          We have provided ourselves with chicken and eggs.

          About 70% of broiler hatching eggs are imported. Key components of compound feed - import. request
          So the security is relative. hi
  • V1er
    V1er 20 July 2020 06: 37 New
    10
    I believe that even a salary of 20 thousand with today's prices is miserable. What can I say about 10-15. I also want to note that it is better to calculate salaries not by average indicators, but by median indicators. And you get a figure of 20-30 thousand, not more.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 July 2020 07: 00 New
    +8
    Gas prices for Russians will rise by 3%, according to the order of the Federal Antimonopoly Service of Russia (FAS) of Russia. Despite the agency’s proposal not to raise prices for the population due to the worsening economic situation due to the coronavirus pandemic, tariffs will rise as early as August 1.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 July 2020 07: 24 New
    +6
    In vain the government doubted that 60-70 percent of the population lives just like that with a slight deviation of +/-. Let them open any site with a job offer and look at the proposed salary. In extreme cases, let them make a selection according to the PFR for working specialties and the picture opens - you will admire.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 20 July 2020 07: 46 New
    +2
    15 thousand rubles per month is the average salary of an unskilled worker in the European part of Russia, except for the Moscow region, who works both in shifts and 09-18, finance, construction and the agricultural sector are already higher, about 20-40 thousand rubles, a qualified worker, engineering and technical composition from 35 to 70 thousand rubles, top management from 120 thousand rubles, all figures from personal experience of searching and analyzing work through the website hh.ru
    1. ancient
      ancient 20 July 2020 10: 01 New
      +9
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      all figures from personal experience of searching and analyzing work through the website hh.ru

      But they did not try to get a job in practice ... otherwise ... "analyze" ..... remember ... all this ... "dust in your eyes" ... all money places have long been distributed among their own, but you, such seekers .... are recruited for statistics and reporting.
      And then they opened a list of vacancies ... and there ... just heaven on earth ... but in fact ...... "shnyaga" and you will wait for an answer to your resume, unless of course you have "seven inches in your forehead" (cases there are0, but basically all of them get a job in "foreign companies" wassat
  • Boris55
    Boris55 20 July 2020 07: 50 New
    -2
    Citizens and citizens! Gentlemen and comrades!

    Our well-being does not depend on the presence of colored cut paper in our wallets and on the number of numbers in our accounts. The main thing here is purchasing power.

    Inflation is an integral part of capitalism, the task of which is to stimulate the people to make money, but at the same time keep us in a half-starved state. Otherwise, if everyone becomes millionaires, who will work.

    And a favorite question in Russia: What to do?

    In short, to build socialism of the Stalinist model. And how did his economy differ from the capitalist one?

    Yes, everything is simple. There is such a surplus product. So the capitalists print money on this surplus product, which always returns to their owners, which makes the rich even richer and the poor poorer. If you noticed, then no matter how much they raise us, but life does not get better.

    Under Stalin, prices for this surplus product were reduced, which is why the purchasing power of the population grew from year to year. The standard of living was growing.

    So we scratch turnips and draw conclusions. Only for God's sake, do not arrange a revolution, it is quite possible to change the social system in an evolutionary way.

    And the last one. Liberals!

    Even if you remove Putin, the social system will not change, which means that nothing will change. calm down and breathe evenly, do not spread the kronovirus, do not arrange a second wave of the epidemic.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 July 2020 08: 11 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      And a favorite question in Russia: What to do.
      In short, to build socialism of the Stalinist model.

      Mdyayaya, I can’t understand how Stalinism and predatory Putinism can be combined in your head ?!
      Quote: Boris55
      Only for God's sake, do not arrange a revolution, it is quite possible to change the social system in an evolutionary way.

      You want to say that friend of friends and friends of a friend voluntarily return the loot, obey and begin to work on construction sites N / X?
      In our case, evolution is impossible, and only degradation is possible, and people simply will not survive evolutionary changes.
      Quote: Boris55
      And the last one. Liberals!

      Wow, whose will you be? It seems to me that you were struck by some unknown rays belay
      Quote: Boris55
      If you even remove Putin, the social system will not change, which means that nothing will change. calm down and breathe evenly, do not spread the coronavirus, do not start a second wave of the epidemic.

      Now edrosnya and apeshka have distributed a manual, the third point of which, you have announced.
      You, my friend, are an ordinary Kremlin-Prigozhinsky guardian troll who, behind the husk of words and complex sentences, hide your pro-Putin essence.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 July 2020 08: 54 New
        -12
        Quote: Stroporez
        Mdyayaya, I can’t understand how Stalinism and predatory Putinism can be combined in your head ?!

        The Stalinist USSR was not destroyed by Putin. It was destroyed by Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin. It was they who led the country to capitalism. Putin accepted the country as it already was and stand by the Constitution defining the rules of the "game", which was written before him and without him.

        Under these conditions and within the framework of these rules, he does everything possible for the country and the people (I will not paint what country he has accepted and which one is, you know), but when five galleys row forward, three dry the oars and they do not care about everything, two row in the opposite direction, and there are still those who are trying to make a hole, then how far will such a galley sail?

        Quote: Stroporez
        In our case, evolution is impossible,

        You know how socialism differs from capitalism - the rules of the "game", the Constitution. The changes have already begun - this is only the first step in the right direction. Evolutionary processes are going on and Putin is conducting them. Someone really doesn't like it, including the communists.

        The new society will not resemble Brezhnev's socialism, not the current capitalism - It will be closer to Stalin's socialism, based on the rules before Christian Russia, where it will be dominated by the initial thieves' capital, and social capital. Where everyone "as trampled, and burst."

        ps
        Hanging labels doesn't paint you. Are you missing arguments?
    2. fif21
      fif21 20 July 2020 08: 53 New
      -3
      Quote: Boris55
      In short - to build socialism of the Stalinist model

      laughing This is when the slaves were ruled by the state and everyone was equally poor? wassat
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 20 July 2020 08: 55 New
        -6
        Quote: fif21
        This is when the slaves were ruled by the state and everyone was equally poor?

        What do you think, could the slaves defeat all the bourgeois of the World in the Second World War?
        1. fif21
          fif21 20 July 2020 09: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          What do you think, could the slaves defeat all the bourgeois of the World in the Second World War?

          Do you doubt it? We won! And how did this power repay the Winners? Where have crippled and disabled people gone? Marshal of Victory was lowered below the plinth, and the standard of living of the defeated was an order of magnitude higher than the Victors! That’s the whole Stalinist socialism! hi
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 20 July 2020 09: 33 New
            -4
            Quote: fif21
            We won!

            Then, to defeat the enemy, the "slaves" could afford to buy a tank or an airplane with their savings, but how can the current "free" citizens do that?

            Quote: fif21
            Marshal of Victory was lowered below the plinth, and the standard of living of the vanquished was an order of magnitude higher than that of the Winners!

            The destruction of the USSR began under Khrushchev. All that you described is their work of the lascivious and has nothing to do with Stalinist socialism.
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 13: 18 New
          -1
          The serfs were able to put the cancer of Napoleon.
      2. ANB
        ANB 20 July 2020 16: 44 New
        +1
        ... This is when the slaves were ruled by the state and everyone was equally poor? wassat

        And the engineers had housekeepers.
        But at the same time, clowns were in prison on a general basis.
  • alone
    alone 20 July 2020 07: 58 New
    11
    Sooner or later, the refrigerator always wins over the TV. yes
  • populist
    populist 20 July 2020 09: 01 New
    +1
    The article is interesting, especially about the desired income.
    Is it really the same Tatiana? love
  • al252ex
    al252ex 20 July 2020 09: 02 New
    10
    Inflation is an increase in prices for all goods except for goods, labor. Approximate inflation this year is 7% (They give loans at 10% - For a contribution they give a maximum of 4%) Two times increase in prices per year officially from January 1 and July 1. Tell me please which of you has a salary increase every year.
  • Slavs
    Slavs 20 July 2020 09: 09 New
    +8
    30 in 000 and 2012 in 30 are two big differences ... What is there to consider then?
    The ruble fell, salaries were cut, prices rose ....
    But in accounting, and even through economic theories, and even with a calculator, then yes - everything is fine))
  • Incompetent
    Incompetent 20 July 2020 09: 29 New
    +5
    Ahaha, as if even if 45% of the population received at least 15K, then what? 15-20k is money? This is generally the level of a bum. The minimum wage should start from $ 1000! An employer simply should not be able to pay less, then this is normal, mind you, not super and excellent, but just normal to live
  • pogis
    pogis 20 July 2020 09: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: zontov79
    I can say by myself, I work but I am a beggar. I hope the protests in Khabarovsk spread to the whole of Siberia, otherwise working people will be poor.

    For such posts, they can send mittens to sew in Komi.
  • Oleg Zatsepin
    Oleg Zatsepin 20 July 2020 10: 07 New
    +4
    The authorities receive reports from places that, since the time of mining of mammoths, you can imagine what, if problems are voiced, then they are from the "business", which is always malnourished, and also the poor thing "feeds" all ordinary people. Everyone knows how this "feeding" takes place. Workers are mainly fed with optimizations. Real labor costs do not grow at best. But look at how clever the reports can look like. For example, my hourly wage rate of a turner is 5 times. over the past ten years it has grown from 100 to 130 re. Income growth, regular, blah blah blah and pieces of paper will show ...
    The authorities will help business, for example, for an epidemic, hucksters have already listed a couple of times a minimum wage for each employee. Well, wanganite, which employees received these amounts? And what report did you go to Moscow?
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 20 July 2020 10: 56 New
      +3
      The current generation of 30-40 year olds are reaping the fruits of riotous democracy in the 90s-00s .... Russia is now fully feeling the results of the reforms - "The market will put everything in its place ...", "Let's be friends with everyone ..." , "Economic liberalization and openness ...", "Take as much sovereignty as you want ...". As a result, Russia in 2020 is even more dependent on imports than the late USSR !!! As a result, the policy of universal openness led to a state of economic dependence on neighbors ...
      I would not argue so, in Soviet times we ate 100% less fruits and vegetables, mainly during the season. And now all year round everything is in stores and on the market.
      The fact that there are vegetables and fruits in stores all year round speaks of the good work of European, Turkish, etc. firms and that they are successfully conquering markets around the world and Russian in particular, and not about the good work of the Putin government !!! If only vegetables and fruits from Venezuela, Cuba, Vietnam were on Russian shelves, and Russia would create the appearance of trade with Turkey, I would applaud Putin and Medvedev while standing!
  • To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 20 July 2020 10: 36 New
    0
    The truth is not in the wallet, it is a consequence of how the distribution of benefits is established in the state and its capabilities of the state at this stage to support the social sphere.
    The wallet contains a consequence of economic policy
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 20 July 2020 11: 02 New
      -4
      Do not shift the care of your own wallet to the state. And the economic policy is quite reasonable, given the circumstances.
  • Oleg Skvortsov
    Oleg Skvortsov 20 July 2020 11: 10 New
    +2
    What influences the needs? I believe that people are now very much saving on food. Optimized healthcare takes a lot of money and resources. Almost everything for money - all this MRI, CT, ultrasound, treatment. the queues are frantic, half of the medical institutions are closed, the rest cannot cope - people are dying like flies simply from old chronic diseases and lack of assistance.
  • 1536
    1536 20 July 2020 11: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: 2 level advisor
    you know, in our city, digging a well (rings / concrete cover) costs 40-45 tr (get hard workers and the boss 50/50) .. without any "houses", maybe you just had to not chase the cheapness? There is no freebie ..

    Dear, any person wants what he needs to be cheap, but made with high quality. This is not a freebie, as you claim. This is a common human desire. Yes, 40-45 thousand and the cost of this work on the site, i.e. virtually. (I don’t think the “house”, it was my wife who wanted the entourage, but its presence was stipulated right away.) But in reality, the work of the “firm” I would have estimated in half, but I also had to pay extra, because now the tendency to do work is free, cheap for themselves, but dear to those who are forced to hire "workers" and pay them their money. The well is available, there is water (pah-pah-pah), and everything else, of course, is from the category of freebies, dreams, so to speak, about the "bright future", when not "you give me - I give you", but when "I did something for you "? And again, it’s not about the workers, but about those who undertook to lead them. That's what it is about. And this, mind you, begins at the level of digging a well.
    God forbid me to spit in this "well".
  • igorra
    igorra 20 July 2020 11: 47 New
    +5
    The presence of two small children immediately puts the family in a economy mode. The living wage for children must be deducted from the salary, and income tax must be charged on the balance. Moreover, for each parent.
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  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 20 July 2020 13: 20 New
    +3
    The average per capita income in the first quarter of 2020 amounted to 31 rubles, and in the first quarter of last year - 647 rubles. Even more impressive figures on the nominal accrued salary: in the first quarter of last year - 30 242 rubles, and this year - as much as 43 944 rubles.


    Now remember that 90% of the income / resources are concentrated in the hands of several percent of the oligarchs .. and we get the real picture ..
    1. +5
      +5 20 July 2020 18: 10 New
      0
      For this, they consider the median (when half of people receive more and half less) and modal (most common) salaries ... They are 20 percent lower
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 20 July 2020 13: 47 New
    +2
    There is a manipulation in the mass of government reports, prices increased by 5-15% compared to some kind of year, sn decreased by 1-2% compared to last year, well, so the year before last they rose and sn fell. In dynamics, rewind a continuous decline in living standards during bravura relations and a constant change in calculation methods in order to justify price increases and gloss over the failure in the economy.
  • CBR600
    CBR600 20 July 2020 15: 30 New
    +2
    "Seasonal apples" - 129 rubles / kg "Dixy", Moscow. I work, a Moskvich (I don't know what generation), my great-grandfather (an architect) built houses in Moscow, in the center, they still stand (you can see monuments) ...
    Yesterday I bought these apples, half a kilo, I didn't buy it for 3 months, I was waiting for something, it seemed expensive. Bananas - 54 re.
    __ Stalinist economy, are you serious? It smacks of war communism. Tok Stalin managed (mind you !!!) industrialization in 5 years. And here the opposite is true.
    ... what a pity AZLK
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 16: 01 New
    +1
    Let's take a look at the family of my friends hi
    Mother (wife) works in Pyaterochka (this is a store) for 20 sput rubles
    Father (husband) works as an electrician in the local subnet for 25 sput rubles
    Their son - goes to school
    They rent a one-room apartment for 15 thousand rubles per month + payment for communal apartments - 3 thousand rubles per month

    We take the calculator in hand and calculate:
    1 + 20 = 25 thousand rubles per month
    2 - 45 (apartment rent + communal apartment) = 18 thousand rubles per month
    3/27 (three citizens of the Russian Federation) = 3 thousand rubles per month - 9 (one) citizen of Russia lives on that kind of money in the Moscow region ...

    So 15 thousand rubles per person is really almost the "middle class" according to Putin am
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 16: 12 New
      -1
      In outskirts of Moscow? Your electrician has either no hands, no brains, or neither. An ordinary low-current installer has three times. Even now, in a crisis, and there are vacancies. The truth is not in the suburbs - in St. Petersburg. I suspect that Moscow is no worse. Yes, and in the Five, work for a specialist with zero qualifications.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 16: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Potatoes for 140 rubles, more expensive than bananas ...

    Sorry, I’m interested in where such a price is. Yesterday I bought potatoes, we have 30 rubles on the market in the Volga region. per kg, bananas from 80 and above. And what is true in the wallet is true, more recently for 500 rubles. brought a full bag from the market, now a thousand is not enough sad

    In our country house in the Moscow region - I went to the local market right today - bananas 90 rubles, young potatoes 110 rubles, old 80 rubles - somewhere like that, each seller has prices + -10 rubles - the order of prices is hi
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 16: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: ancient
    Quote: Stroporez
    A trip to any chain store for essential goods does not cost less than a ton.

    Absolutely right ... we "start" from the "thing and above" ..... recourse

    5 years ago, 500 rubles. the wooden ones were enough for going to the store. Now 1000 r .. They tell us about inflation in 4-5% .. but in reality it turns out 20% ..

    for 1 thousand rubles it’s still necessary to manage everything for the family to buy the most necessary ... recourse I have on average an average check for a family of 3 = fifteen hundred ... and I don’t buy anything from a series of stewed squid in my own juice laughing
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 16: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In outskirts of Moscow? Your electrician has either no hands, no brains, or neither. An ordinary low-current installer has three times. Even now, in a crisis, and there are vacancies. The truth is not in the suburbs - in St. Petersburg. I suspect that Moscow is no worse. Yes, and in the Five, work for a specialist with zero qualifications.

    And you were released from the ban again ?! hi drinks
    According to you, 90 percent in Russia have neither brains nor hands bully And I, you know, live in Russia, where even in the suburbs of the general family income of 45 thousand rubles is considered very good !!! drinks
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 17: 04 New
      -2
      Not 90, but 30-35 percent. Someone did not want to study, someone, having potential, cannot apply it, waiting for his uncle to bring him to work by the hand. I have a friend like that, he doesn't seem to be without hands, but he doesn't know how to punch the shit on his own. Waiting for the wizard to arrive in a blue helicopter. So you have to attach it, drive it by the handle. He also whines constantly, although he is not offended by his talents.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 17: 05 New
    +2
    Though I sincerely catch "AS Ivanov." at each of his posts, and when he carries a completely blizzard - I complain about him to the Forum Administration, that he would be banned, well, here he is right !!! good drinks
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 17: 12 New
    -1
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    Not 90, but 30-35 percent. Someone did not want to study, someone, having potential, cannot apply it, waiting for his uncle to bring him to work by the hand. I have a friend like that, he doesn't seem to be without hands, but he doesn't know how to punch the shit on his own. Waiting for the wizard to arrive in a blue helicopter. So you have to attach it, drive it by the handle. He also whines constantly, although he is not offended by his talents.

    Well, let me tell you how to live CORRECTLY to the family of my friends !!! bully
    The mother works for two days, 12 hours a day - we add 1 hour of driving there, an hour back - 14 hours a day in the format 2 days works, two days rest
    The father leaves for work when the son is still asleep - and arrives when he is already asleep - 2 hours on the way there - two hours on the way back
    Sex they (sorry for the intimate details hi ) are engaged in the very chocolate case 1-2 times a week on weekends, when it coincides that grandparents take their grandson on Sunday (and the grandson studies 6 times a week) - and the wife does not work repeat

    Yes, maybe the father could go somewhere to work on the watch - and who will raise his son for him ?! Pushkin, what le ??? bully
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 22: 05 New
      +2
      For each case, your own recipe. But a good electrician in the era of managers and merchandisers is worth its weight in gold. In general, any specialist who knows how to use his hands is worth its weight in gold. Look at the prices for electrical installation work in private homes. Without pants!
  • Guba
    Guba 20 July 2020 17: 24 New
    -2
    Capitalism edrit it by the leg ... Most of the population lives one day and salary of 15 pieces is standard in the provinces .. How do we survive? Yes, the devil only knows, while we live on bread we chew .. The social gap is certainly terrible! But easier than in the 90s, there was generally complete hopelessness throughout.
    Now it is felt again Russia is being swayed in order to throw it into the abyss of unrest and social upheaval .. I hope it will not come to this.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 17: 52 New
    0
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In the Five, you can choose vegetables individually from the tray - what rot are you talking about?

    Not always, not everywhere, but very often in Pyaterochka - if you don't buy expensive vegetables and fruits - buy cheap stuff - dig into rot ... Every day I go to Pyaterochka - I know what I'm talking about! hi
  • +5
    +5 20 July 2020 17: 53 New
    0
    Well, the Gini coefficient is like in the United States ... Their development in the light of recent events is questionable ... But someone is buying 1,8 million new cars at an average price of 1,5 million per year, and there are more million m2 of housing than is being built in the RSFSR ... Although incomes of about 5 years have stagnated
    1. Esaul
      Esaul 20 July 2020 21: 55 New
      0
      They steal, and this is not taken into account in statistics
  • NordUral
    NordUral 20 July 2020 18: 57 New
    0
    Well-known sociological institutes, where professionals work and who can be trusted, have not found such polls... Secondly, official statistics, no matter how scolded, can still not go too far from the truth.

    Here are the latest Rosstat data for the first quarter of 2020. The share of the population with incomes below the subsistence level was 12,6 percent, or 18,6 million people. According to the results of 2019, there were 12,3 percent of the poor. Moreover, in 11 regions of the country, the share of the poor exceeded 20 percent.

    About statisticians and statistics I will not supplement anything.
    But on the poor I'll tell you how it really is. They are not poor, they the poor!
    And now about yourself and your wallet. If not for some savings from the good years of my work, then with my pension I would also be "poor".
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 July 2020 19: 28 New
    +1
    The devil knows Tatiana.
    Just now I took a certificate of income for three months (for some reason my wife suddenly needed it). 22000, 23000,26000, XNUMX is "mud". I work at Feodosiysk Shipyard "More" as an assembler of CMS (hulls of metal ships) / welder / gas-plasma cutter.
    Therefore, it is surprising. In the same St. Petersburg for the same work, with the same quality, people are paid up to 100000 per month. The paradox however ...
  • bandabas
    bandabas 20 July 2020 20: 11 New
    0
    As Mrs. Golikova "voiced" - "We are catastrophically losing the population of the country. For four months, the natural population decline in our country amounted to about 149 thousand people. This means that our birth rate is falling and not as we would like, the mortality rate is decreasing. ". That is, the mortality rate is growing. It is enough to go to any nearest cemetery and look at the dates. So, the pension will soon not have to be paid at all.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 20 July 2020 21: 48 New
    +1
    Where do they get these figures from the Federal State Statistics Service, from which finger do they suck it out? Maybe this is the average salary in cities and then not everyone is sure? A little around the corner drove 15-20 thousand rubles a normal salary for rural areas
  • Esaul
    Esaul 20 July 2020 21: 54 New
    +1
    Tell me how best to prepare tree bark, grass cuttings, fresh leaves, live insects and worms from the soil. By the way, there are still many moles in my dacha, I even caught one. I hope they won't be taxed.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 July 2020 21: 56 New
      +4
      I recommend hedgehogs. They have not yet entered coupons.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 20 July 2020 22: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    For each case, your own recipe. But a good electrician in the era of managers and merchandisers is worth its weight in gold. In general, any specialist who knows how to use his hands is worth its weight in gold. Look at the prices for electrical installation work in private homes. Without pants!

    I’ll begin to educate you, since I probably skipped classes at school bully
    In any society of people of any type, only 5 percent are "beyond the bounds of decency" bully
    In this particular case, only 5 percent of the population of Russia have the ability to do business ... And in order to engage in "private taxi" - a person must have the ability to do so ... angry Well, if a person is NOT destined to work for himself - and such - according to statistics and science -95 percent of the population - should they die of hunger ?!
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 20 July 2020 22: 30 New
      -1
      These 95% are free people. If they do not want to move, then this is only their problem. Here it is, the heavy burden of freedom - you bear responsibility for yourself. yes
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 21 July 2020 09: 57 New
    +1
    One can only say that the current domestic policy of the country and, in particular, the economy is a dead-end branch of the country's development, or rather financial-oligarchic capitalism. And the difference between rich and poor, as the author of the article writes, 15,6 confirms this. They are not allowed to create, create, multiply, and all this talk about breakthroughs, projects has been going on for 20 years and there is no sense in it. Emptiness.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 21 July 2020 12: 32 New
    0
    It is simply customary to call those poor those whose income is below the subsistence level. But I don't believe that almost half of the country is in such a situation.
    It just shows, Tatiana, your intellectual level, that's all. In fact, the statistics are still uplifted, since polls do not reach the poorest strata warningly.
    The chatter about “I don’t believe” arises because those who receive (in no case earn! Earnings are for work. And most of THESE do not work, stir up) are much more than others, they are much brighter. They fill the streets and parking lots in nice cars, build nice houses and buy mountains of all sorts of bright shnyagi ... they are in sight, and it seems that these people are the country. Alas...
    The country, gritting its teeth, calculates what to buy - potatoes or shoes for a child. This situation is not the first year, nothing is visible in the waves. When moving to another job, they either pay pennies, but regularly, or they promise, and then they throw it ... Few can retrain as make-up artists or "computer specialists", and even five or six people are needed for a town of 5-15 thousand people. And the rest?
    Until recently, the answer of our government was clear and clear - and die! Didn't fit into the market - that's what you need! 25-30 million will be enough to service the oil and gas industry and other production, the rest will die soon! But a few years ago, our authorities suddenly realized - but they will take away from us (in the sense of the authorities) oil and gas taps! Someone must defend them! And then suddenly everything became interesting ...
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 21 July 2020 16: 28 New
    0
    Trust no one. The truth is in your wallet

    I agree. And this truth suits me. I do not use loans, I never chased round corners and other pontovny, I have enough hobbies like fishing, aquaristics and games without problems. In food without show off, but also not hungry ... well, requests from me and from my wife without fanaticism request
    My wife and I have enough. Those. We do not consider ourselves either offended or deprived.
    I read the comments and the feeling that either I am from another planet, or the experience of the 90s makes it easier to look at life.
  • seos
    seos 25 July 2020 09: 21 New
    0
    People! There will be no V-shaped economic recovery, because in the world for 2000 years of known history, such a recovery has never happened. You frankly shit in your ears and various experts and authorities. A new wave of falling markets has already begun, the collapse begins with a landslide, so you don't feel it yet ... According to my estimates, on September 10, 2020, the dollar will cost 90 rubles, 100 rubles for the euro.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 July 2020 16: 34 New
    0
    The author is right, 45% live on 15 thousand rubles, and during the pandemic, the oligarchs increased their fortunes by $ 70 billion. At this rate, the well-being of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE was growing, prices would not have been for Russian leaders. And so all the same fairy tales, conversations. There was one, so he promised to lie down on the rails, but drunk he missed to see past the rails. Yes, to speak and criticize Soviet galoshes, this is not a country to govern and it is not an effective economy to build.