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The soldier fights with the Serpent Gorynych: A competition for the best mural about the victory over the Red Army was announced in Poland

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The Ministry of Defense of Poland has announced a competition for the best mural (a large image on the wall of a building), dedicated to the events of 100 years ago. We are talking about the Warsaw battle - part of the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1921. In Polish historiography, the Battle of Warsaw is often called the “Miracle on the Vistula”. It is a miracle in Poland that the fact that the Polish army was able to stop the advance of the Red Army under the command of Mikhail Tukhachevsky is considered a miracle.


The so-called July operation ended on July 23, 1920. Soviet troops inflicted a tangible defeat on the Polish army, but further actions did not allow the previously planned plan to be carried out - to surround large Polish forces and prevent them from regrouping.

On August 16, 1920, Polish Marshal Jozef Pilsudski launched a counterattack on parts of the Red Army. And the very next day the Red Army had to retreat, as the situation near Warsaw for it turned into a catastrophic one. The forces of the Red Army were in danger of getting into the Polish boiler. The exact losses of the Red Army in the battles of August 1920 are still unknown. According to the most conservative estimates, the killed Red Army lost about 25 thousand personnel.

Now the Polish Ministry of Defense has decided to involve "people's artists" in perpetuating the victory over the Red Army near Warsaw. At the same time, the events of 1920 were announced as "a stop in the advancement of the Soviets, which were eager to reach Europe" (a well-known logic for the countries of the former socialist camp and the former Soviet republics, which are now ruled from overseas).

Among the participants in the competition, for the victory in which the Polish military department announced an award of 1,5 million zlotys (about 27 million rubles), there is an option where a Polish soldier fights with a three-headed red dragon (Serpent Gorynych). The fire-breathing snake, according to the author's logic, clearly symbolizes the Red Army.

It is noteworthy that a mural with a "fire-breathing red dragon" appeared on the wall of a house that was built during the existence of the Polish People's Republic, when historical quarrels preferred to speak less and create more.



The results of the competition are going to be announced by the Polish Ministry of Defense in November this year.
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  1. Well done
    Well done 19 July 2020 16: 52 New
    14
    Catherine II is missing in the picture. If the Poles decided to recall the story ...
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 19 July 2020 17: 26 New
      13
      If they remember that victory, then let them also remember the 15 thousand prisoners of war who died in Polish concentration camps before the agreement on the exchange of prisoners of war.
      1. Igool
        Igool 19 July 2020 18: 33 New
        14
        Quote: Shurik70
        then let them remember about 15 thousand prisoners of war

        Do you really think that it even touches them? If we don't make them remember, they will forget about it yesterday. How often do you have thoughts about the Fritz who died in captivity in the USSR? Well, the Poles do not think about these dead Russians at all. And if we DO NOT MAKE them remembered, then they will not think about them in the future. And in order to force them, negligibly little is done, if not to say from the word, nothing is done at all
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 20 July 2020 09: 42 New
          0
          ...... appeared on the wall of a house that was built during the PPR ......
          this house is like brick Khrushchevs built here. Of course, he's not the only one.
          The USSR restored Warsaw, built the Stalinist skyscraper there.
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        1. Vicontas
          Vicontas 19 July 2020 20: 59 New
          10
          The Polish leadership may like such a cave painting, but there is such an impression that the picture shows a drunk inadequate to which the red squirrel came!
          1. tagil
            tagil 19 July 2020 21: 09 New
            +3
            More precisely, the beaver came to the artist, because the squirrels were over.
        2. L-39NG
          L-39NG 19 July 2020 23: 57 New
          -9
          Not Russians, not Russians, but Bolsheviks, so Tukhachevsky finished at the wall, because knew who the bastard was
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 21 July 2020 10: 44 New
            0
            are you for white do you like the Bolsheviks? Maybe you are against the Red Army?
      3. DIM (a)
        DIM (a) 22 July 2020 16: 40 New
        0
        Much more died there due to inhuman treatment and content.

        According to the most conservative estimates, the killed Red Army lost about 25 thousand personnel.

        Pay attention - they could not stop in the murders?

        the Polish military department announced an award of 1,5 million zlotys

        Apparently received in US dollars!
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 19 July 2020 21: 40 New
      12
      But can you put a monument to Suvorov in front of the Polish embassy?
      1. Vicontas
        Vicontas 19 July 2020 23: 04 New
        +2
        A monument is long and expensive! Easier and faster - to install a large image of the map of the division of Poland between Russia, Germany and Austria in the 18th century! And the type inscription is "MEMENTO MORI". I think after that there will be not just a diplomatic squeal, but a hysterical howl! Invigorating and deeply satisfying!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 20 July 2020 00: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Vicontas
          A monument takes a long time

          Nothing, first fence off the place with a fence, and stick a rendering of what will be installed on the fence. A pedestal and a monument as soon as they are ready.
          Quote: Vicontas
          and expensive!

          Suvorov deserves it.
      2. L-39NG
        L-39NG 20 July 2020 00: 07 New
        -9
        You can also print and write a map of "primordially Russian lands", saying that both the Crimea and the Trans-Urals were bloody mined and taken from the indigenous, south, north, east, Ermak, his mother. They finished it off by force, violence, robbery and death, and there was a lot of deception there, and everything about the ancestral territories is spoken about
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 20 July 2020 09: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        But can you put a monument to Suvorov in front of the Polish embassy?

        You can start with posters, and then what films to release
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 16: 55 New
    +1
    There is even a Polish feature film dedicated to these events. Only he does not really reveal the essence. There's more love shown ...
    Well, the soldiers of the Red Army, as expected - unshaven, ragged and rapists.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 19 July 2020 17: 30 New
      18
      a Polish soldier fights with a three-headed red dragon (Serpent Gorynych).

      Judging by this mural, with the Serpent Gorynych, the Polish soldier, from the constant bukhalov, already had a "delirium tremens" winked
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 17: 03 New
    +7
    We could also immortalize the "Prague massacre" ... which followed the dastardly destruction of unarmed Russian soldiers and officers in churches on a religious holiday. And a portrait of Suvorov in the entire facade ...
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 19 July 2020 17: 07 New
    +6
    Answers from the Russian Ministry of Defense, as I understand, will not be ... They will not remember the red commanders who hacked the Polish lords, Kotovsky, Guy, Budyonny and others ... Better, a place for a monument to Czech legionnaires, somewhere in the hinterland, will break through .. .
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 19 July 2020 18: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: parusnik
      As far as I understand, there will be no response from the Russian Ministry of Defense ...

      and which one will suit you? stabbing or indistinct bleating of our Foreign Ministry
      1. Woland
        Woland 19 July 2020 19: 16 New
        +3
        The following statement of our Foreign Ministry will arrange: "draw. Draw. The wall will endure everything, it is brick like your muzzles. Moreover, this is all that you can and can do."
      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 19 July 2020 19: 18 New
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        Quote: PSih2097
        and which one will suit you? stabbing or indistinct bleating of our Foreign Ministry

        A bulldozer in Katyn would completely suit me
    2. L-39NG
      L-39NG 20 July 2020 01: 01 New
      -13 qualifying.
      I can't understand everything. Do you live in the socialist-communist Soviet Union, or only in your paranoid dreams? Maybe instead of VO, patients should go to psychologists? Do you want to return the USSR? This, it will be necessary to fight. Calculate your strength and go to retirement, poke around in your garden like a scoop, and, most importantly, away from sane people.
      VO for all, or for ossified Stalinists? And what can they remember besides the tales of Stalin? It is time for radicals like Hitler, Stalin, and everyone with weapons in their hands, like the Bolsheviks, Decembrists, to be prohibited by law.
      irony with an idea for reflection
      Czech legionnaires, through the fault of the Bolsheviks, were forced to fight against the Bolsheviks.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 July 2020 17: 08 New
    +3
    Isn’t it time for Polyahii to bring claims, in fact, of the genocide of our prisoners and the civilian population since the time of the First World War? In vain Stalin did not divide the territory of this political misunderstanding !!!
  6. truck driver
    truck driver 19 July 2020 17: 11 New
    +9
    When I was on a course in Poznan, a translator of about 30 years, she spoke in all seriousness about the "communist regime" as a period of oppression and weakening of Poland. The new generations are completely sure of this.
  7. Poetry
    Poetry 19 July 2020 17: 11 New
    +3
    It would be better to announce a mural competition about "victory" over Hitler.
  8. 5-9
    5-9 19 July 2020 17: 14 New
    +5
    Well done too .. But 120 thousand prisoners in concentration camps were tortured with hunger and disease ... this villainy has no statute of limitations ..

    By the way, the second uprising due to the fact that serfdom was abolished (with the slogan for your and our freedom) and it is impossible to warm your feet in the guts of a freshly spattered Ukrainian slave, can also be recalled ...
  9. Tusv
    Tusv 19 July 2020 17: 15 New
    +8
    Not. In the next section, Poland does not have any autonomies. Only Afroneopshaks carry such nonsense
  10. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 17: 18 New
    10
    Well, yes, here Tukh pumped all the polymers, he also put people down, mutant.
    Only a couple of decades later, the Soviet Union rescued Poland from the Nazis with all its might.
    And hell even a word of gratitude.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 July 2020 18: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And hell even a word of gratitude.

      Anna German. No other thanks
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: Tusv
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        And hell even a word of gratitude.

        Anna German. No other thanks

        With her, as with a Polish girl, not everything is clear.
        Anna German is a singer and composer of German origin, born in the USSR in the city of Urgench and a famous performer of songs in different languages ​​of the world, primarily in Russian.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 19 July 2020 19: 37 New
          0
          With her, as with a Polish girl, not everything is clear.

          Everything is unambiguous
        2. Astra wild
          Astra wild 19 July 2020 21: 33 New
          +2
          Colleague Tererinin, recently remembered Anna German and she is not Polish by birth, although she was considered a Polish singer.
          And Edita Pieha is really Polish in origin
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 19 July 2020 21: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: Astra wild
            Colleague Tererinin, recently remembered Anna German and she is not Polish by birth, although she was considered a Polish singer.
            And Edita Pieha is really Polish in origin

            In principle, nationality is secondary here, the main thing

            ... only the song stays with the man
            The song is your true friend forever ...

            Music by A. Ostrovsky
          2. georggy
            georggy 20 July 2020 12: 55 New
            0
            A Jewess, all the same.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 19 July 2020 21: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Only a couple of decades later, the Soviet Union rescued Poland from the Nazis with all its might.
      And hell even a word of gratitude.

      Can Merkel hint that Russia will not mind if Germany wants to take back Silesia, Danzig, and Stettin?
  11. pytar
    pytar 19 July 2020 17: 19 New
    +1
    To my surprise, typing in Яndex "Polish anti-Soviet posters", they turned out to be a huge multitude! belay


    Further, with even greater surprise belay belay , found that their photocopy can be legally purchased in the Russian Federation!

    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 July 2020 17: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: pytar
      To my surprise, typing "Polish anti-Soviet posters" into Yandex, they turned out to be a huge variety!

      Do not be surprised. The posters are "anti-Soviet". In this matter, the Russian government is an ally of the Polish one.
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 19 July 2020 18: 19 New
        0
        The authorities cannot decide on their position regarding Polish quirks.
  12. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 July 2020 17: 32 New
    +1
    Yes, in a fanatical deepening in history, the Poles have overtaken even us))
  13. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 July 2020 17: 32 New
    10
    And about how the German tanks were chopped into pieces with sabers, will they compete next time?
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 July 2020 18: 47 New
      +2
      And about how the German tanks were chopped into pieces with sabers, will they compete next time?

      Well, there were also such competitions and exhibitions ...



      On the joint Soviet-Polish struggle against Nazi Germany, many posters were created during the Polish People's Republic.
      There are also posters where they put the USSR and the Third Reich on the same level. In Polish consciousness, they jointly attacked and destroyed the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
      In general, the Polish history is ambiguous, and accordingly, the posters reflect these tragic events in different ways. hi
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 19 New
        10
        Quote: pytar
        In general, the Polish history is ambiguous, and accordingly, the posters reflect these tragic events in different ways.

        Polish history is often ambiguous winked , and maybe that's why it is tragic.
        1. pytar
          pytar 19 July 2020 19: 33 New
          -4
          This is the case in the history of most countries. Of course, everyone idealizes their stories.
          I'm more interested in who needs a stat like this? What the Poles paint on their walls, that's their business! For them, the events called "The Miracle on the Vistula" really have a patriotic meaning! They defended their independence, did not turn into the PSSR. The truth later turned into the NDP ... It seems to me that such articles are published for the sole purpose of inciting hatred of other peoples. Forumny background, indicative ... hi
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 41 New
            +9
            Quote: pytar
            It seems to me that such articles are published for the sole purpose of inciting hatred of other peoples.

            Purposefully unlikely, but not without it.
          2. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 19 July 2020 23: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            It seems to me that such articles are published for the sole purpose of inciting hatred of other peoples.

            There is another way - to shut up. It was like that. What did this lead to?
            "Miracle on the Vistula" happened during predatory "Polish-Bolshevik war" in the conditions of the Civil War and the intervention in Russia of "twelve" states. The reason for it was the desire to create Greater Poland "from Mozha to Mozha". Not about defending independence.
            As a child, I watched the film "Four Tankmen and a Dog" about Polish-Soviet friendship. Now this film is kind of banned from them. In Ryazan, there is a park for the Soviet-Polish military brotherhood in memory of the formation of the Polish army in 1943-44. You know what they are doing with monuments to Soviet soldiers (not only Poles).

            Well, the Polish competition is precisely aimed at inciting hatred.
            1. pytar
              pytar 20 July 2020 09: 16 New
              -2
              As a child, I watched the film "Four Tankmen and a Dog" about Polish-Soviet friendship. Now this film is kind of banned from them.

              Dear! hi It's not for nothing that I say that information should be checked and rechecked, because a lot of bikes are walking from the Internet! So in this case!
              Nobody banned the film "Four Tankmen and a Dog" in Poland. This is a fake that has been wandering around the Runet for many years. In the early 90s, there were indeed voices in Poland calling for the show to be banned. But Polish audiences love the film and its characters, so the film is shown on television on various channels almost every year, usually before May 9th. In Polish it is called "Czterej pancerni i pies". Here is a screen from 5 years ago, but it is still so!



              IMBd is quite high, which means that the movie remains popular with viewers!

              Well, the Polish competition is precisely aimed at inciting hatred.

              The incitement to hatred go from both sides! They are playing off the Slavic peoples!
              As for the competition, I will repeat again - the story is ambiguous! The same events look different from the side of the participants! If we want to see in objectivity, we must definitely look at events from different angles! hi

              1. border
                border 20 July 2020 14: 51 New
                0
                the film contains a number of clearly anti-communist moments, when one of the main characters wants to shoot the communists, the officers return from Soviet captivity, and a number of others who, due to simultaneous interpretation, do not immediately catch the eye, and in childhood they did not pay attention to them. for age.
              2. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 20 July 2020 18: 11 New
                0
                Quote: pytar
                The incitement to hatred go from both sides! They are playing off the Slavic peoples!
                As for the competition, I will repeat again - the story is ambiguous! The same events look different from the side of the participants! If we want to see in objectivity, we must definitely look at events from different angles!

                I often agree with your comments, but not in this case. Twice two is always four.
                Can you imagine a similar competition held by the German Defense Ministry for the surrender of France? And using it as a pretext for instilling patriotism among the Germans?
                As a result of the war, the lords seized territories, which returned only twenty years later. Ask about the fate of the captured Red Army soldiers. Read what they got up to with the Belarusian and Ukrainian peoples then. Slavs, by the way. And how Orthodoxy was "supported".
                This competition does not foster patriotism, it fosters nationalism.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 20 July 2020 18: 42 New
                  -1
                  Can you imagine a similar competition held by the German Defense Ministry for the surrender of France?

                  We are talking about completely different things! Nazism is recognized as criminal by everyone! Therefore, I can not imagine that someone somewhere will celebrate the victories of Nazism over someone else!
                  But in Leipzig there is a monument in honor of the victory over Napoleon, in the "Battle of the Nations"! In Germany, it is defined as the beginning of the German state and nation! In schools it is taught as a reason for patriotism!
                  Victory at the Vistula, for the Poles the same thing! They defended their independence in front of the strongest enemy! You are not satisfied that the enemy of the Poles were the Bolsheviks, but the same Bolsheviks shed rivers with Russian blood!
                  In short, everything is simple: you are proud of your victories and mourn your defeats! Yes? And why do you think that the Poles are not allowed ???
                  This competition does not foster patriotism, it fosters nationalism.

                  I have not seen so many nationalists and chauvinists anywhere as on this site. Look through, read the comments. Whoever is not attacked, what people are just not naughty !!!
                  Think about it - it is not the Poles who tell you, you tell them what you can and cannot paint on your facade!
                  1. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 20 July 2020 20: 40 New
                    +1
                    Quote: pytar
                    Victory at the Vistula, for the Poles the same! They defended their independence, in front of the strongest enemy!

                    How could they defend their independence if they were the aggressor? belay
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 20 July 2020 22: 10 New
                      -1
                      How could they defend their independence if they were the aggressor?

                      The aggressor was advancing on Russian soil! And standing on the Vistula, the fate of the Commonwealth was decided, they defended their independence! What would become of Poland if the "Miracle on the Vistula" did not take place? What do you think?
                      1. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 20 July 2020 22: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: pytar
                        What do you think?

                        Out of respect for you. I can guess what would not have happened. An aggressive state, which even a famous Englishman called a hyena. It is possible that there would not have been a partition of Czechoslovakia, where Poland is known to have bitten off a piece ... Would there have been World War II? Would be. But the scenario would be different.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 21 July 2020 09: 46 New
                        -2
                        Out of respect for you.

                        Mutually! hi
                        I can guess what would not have happened.

                        Poland would have turned into the PSSR and the USSR would have received another serious headache.
                        An aggressive state, which even a famous Englishman called a hyena.

                        Why didn't they mention who this "famous Englishman" is? Churchill - sworn anti-Soviet and Slavophobe!
                        It is possible that there would not have been a partition of Czechoslovakia, where it is known that Poland also bit off a piece ...

                        Czechoslovakia took a bite out of Poland in the same 1920, when Poland was in Pts. difficult situation! The area is controversial for these countries! It is difficult to judge who is right there ... After all, the USSR did the same thing as Poland, annexing Western Ukraine and Belarus in 39! Why the USSR can be, but Poland can not ???
                        Would there have been World War II? Would be. But the scenario would be different.

                        Maybe. But usually, historical events have their own logic.
                        By the way, plus from me, for your ability to conduct a normal dialogue! good
                      3. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 22 July 2020 10: 57 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        Why the USSR can be, but Poland can not ???

                        Yesterday there was no way to answer you. Behind the wheel, in addition to doing the work, I had to drive a little less than 1100 km across the Ryazan region, a little more than the whole of Bulgaria from edge to edge. wink
                        Thanks for the kind words . You cannot come to an understanding by insults and reproaches.
                        "To our flies."
                        Great power? In Russia, people who have written themselves down in history quite often have roots and surnames are clearly not Russian. Including Polish ones. Yes, and Bulgarians as a people were not formed from the Slavs alone.
                        Could the PSSR appear then? I don’t think so.
                        There is one thing in common in these events: the leadership of the new old Poland was marked by aggressive manifestations immediately after its appearance. Against Czechoslovakia, the patrons did not give, but against Soviet Belarus and Ukraine, please. Even the war was called the Polish-Bolshevik war. Even before the formation of the USSR.
                        Let me remind you about one more Englishman. Curzon line. Strange, but it was led along the borders of the peoples' habitation. Put it on the map of Poland's conquests in the XNUMXth century.
                        Let me remind you about polonization. Both Czechs and Belarusians and Ukrainians. And, this is Nazism and genocide. From which the Belarusians were saved for sure.
                        There is one more very important circumstance. Catholicism and its relation to Orthodoxy. Wide field for thoughts! By the way, I wonder, almost everywhere where the Ottoman yoke was, was Orthodoxy preserved? Did not think.
                        Ambition, ambition, a sense of underestimation have driven Poland to collapse more than once, and now they are again stepping on the same rake. They arm themselves to the teeth, call the Americans, hold similar contests ... After all, it is clear that if a full-scale war breaks out, the first chance to disappear is for the Poles as a people with such a policy. Maybe it's better to live peacefully?
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 22 July 2020 13: 51 New
                        -2
                        I had to travel a little less than 1100 km in the Ryazan region, a little more than the whole of Bulgaria from edge to edge

                        My friends and relatives from Russia are always surprised when I hit the car in order to "walk" to some place 1-2-3 km from home. They say, "Yes, it's close to you! You can reach it faster on foot than by car!" smile
                        Could the PSSR appear then? I don’t think so.

                        It was a period of violent revolutionary activity throughout Europe! Hungarian SR, Bavarian SR, etc. Even in the first war with Finland, the Karelian-Finnish SR was formed! In theory, the whole world was supposed to turn into Soviet republics. Like "victory of the world proletariat"!
                        The leadership of the new old Poland was marked by aggressive manifestations immediately after its appearance.

                        This is not surprising! Bearing in mind that Poland just appeared after the 2nd century as part of the Republic of Ingushetia, and then there is also Bolshevism - an extremely hostile ideology! The "defensive reaction" is natural!
                        but against the Soviet Belarus and Ukraine, please.

                        Also understandable! 1- they were Soviet! 2. The Bolshevik USSR was weak then!
                        Curzon line. Strange, but it was led along the borders of the peoples' habitation. Put it on the map of Poland's conquests in the XNUMXth century.

                        I know. The Curzon line runs along ethnic borders on one side of the Polish, on the other the Belarusian and Ukrainian people. Here we must take into account, with whom are Belarusians and Ukrainians closer? From the point of view of the Poles with them. It turns out that the territory is a buffer between Russia and Poland. Each side wanted to see them under their influence!
                        Let me remind you about polonization. Both Czechs and Belarusians and Ukrainians. Ah, this is Nazism and genocide ... Catholicism and its relationship to Orthodoxy.

                        There is a place to be. Also russification. To my ear, spoken Belarusian and Ukrainian / Galicia / speech seem closer to Polish! With Catholicism, everything is clear. As a result, there are Catholics in Belarus and Ukraine.
                        By the way, I wonder, almost everywhere where the Ottoman yoke was, was Orthodoxy preserved?

                        Here is a list with the former Orthodox-Slavic peoples who adopted the Mohamedan religion during the Ottoman slavery.
                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/24history/6-slavianskih-narodov-kotorye-priniali-islam-5ccad62aeb28ac00aea499b4
                        They arm themselves to the teeth, call the Americans, hold similar contests ...

                        Poland's military expenditures are approx. 2% of GDP. Which is several times less than during socialism. For Poland, the United States is a guarantor in view of the proximity to the Russian Federation. As far as it makes sense, the topic is debatable. And there is only one competition! We hold much more patriotic events here! You are in your country many times more often, and even more in scale!
                        After all, it is clear that if a full-scale war breaks out, the first chance to disappear is for the Poles as a people with such a policy.

                        With a full-scale war, no one will be left alive. And who fought and who did not, we will all die. Some people think that they will go to Paradise, but I don't believe in that ...
                        Maybe it's better to live peacefully?

                        No doubt! good There shouldn't be two opinions!
                        But first, everyone who must learn to respect others, and not to creep into them with their moralizing! Countries are different, stories are different, the same events have completely different meanings from different sides! hi
                      5. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 22 July 2020 22: 37 New
                        0
                        Quote: pytar
                        But first, everyone who must learn to respect others, and not to creep into them with their moralizing! Countries are different, stories are different, the same events have completely different meanings from different sides!

                        You surprise me. There is no doubt that the Poles on their land have the right to live as they want. They can hold similar contests, they can demolish monuments to Soviet soldiers who died. American tanks can be deployed in Poland. Lie. Convincing that the missiles are against Iran. I hope you don’t believe that? Do you really believe that Russia is hatching plans to attack Poland? And, here, history teaches us that more than once war has come to us from the West. We, on our own land, have the right to draw conclusions. Both moral and military.
                        Morality? They are rushing towards Russia in a continuous stream, like any sanctions. By the way, Bulgaria has something to do with them. It seems that decisions in the EU should be unanimous. So, who teaches whom to live?
                        Quote: pytar
                        The "defensive reaction" is natural!

                        Surprised again. An assessment of the pre-war aggressive pro-Nazi, pro-fascist state. And for the genocide there was only: "Has to be." belay I don't know how the Poles were russified. As well as Belarusians, Ukrainians, Finns ...
                      6. pytar
                        pytar 22 July 2020 23: 00 New
                        -2
                        There is no doubt that the Poles on their land have the right to live as they want.

                        Let them live as they want! You do the same in your country!
                        Do you really believe that Russia is hatching plans to attack Poland?

                        Not! From the word at all! But the Poles seem to believe! Somewhere I got it:

                        It turns out that only 20% of Poles do not consider Russia a threat!
                        .. as well as any sanctions. By the way, Bulgaria has something to do with them. It seems that decisions in the EU should be unanimous. So, who teaches whom to live?

                        Sanctions 1.It is good for Russia / so they say in rus-media /! Like import substitution! Going out you need to thank for them! 2. Sanctions for Crimea and Donbass, which is perceived by most countries in the world as an occupation. / note: this is not my opinion!
                        An assessment of the pre-war aggressive pro-Nazi, pro-fascist state.

                        This is your opinion, they have another! Poles are entitled to their opinion, just like you! No problem as long as everyone expresses their own at home.
                        I don't know how the Poles were russified. As well as Belarusians, Ukrainians, Finns ...

                        In the course, in the course ... there are simply different versions, one for the Russians, the other for the Poles, Finns, some Ukrainians and a small part of Belarusians. By the way, for some reason the Belarusian have almost forgotten their language ...
                        You see, I am not judging who is right and who is wrong! Each has its own truth! So it was, so it is and so it will be! request
                      7. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 22 July 2020 23: 50 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        In the course, in the course ...

                        Forbidden to speak Belarusian? Do not know. But everyone knew the Russian language in the single country of the USSR. Almost all. I also met those who did not know the Russian language. Not in Belarus.
                        Quote: pytar
                        By the way, for some reason the Belarusian have almost forgotten their language ...
                        Why's that? I looked at the statistics. There are already more than 80% of Belarusians and their number is growing. Less than 10% of Russians The war raged across Belarus and Belarusians. Many people of different nationalities came to restore it. According to statistics, there are now more than 130 nationalities. Incidentally, I have attended courses in Minsk.
                        Quote: pytar
                        You see, I am not judging who is right and who is wrong! Each has its own truth!

                        You surprise and upset. There are basic human values, be you Russian, Bulgarian or Pole.
  • tagil
    tagil 19 July 2020 19: 12 New
    +6
    Next time the competition will be about the capture of Berlin by the Polish army.
  • NF68
    NF68 19 July 2020 17: 35 New
    +5
    The results of the competition are going to be announced by the Polish Ministry of Defense in November this year.


    Competition "We would have succumbed to them again, if they had caught up with us."
  • beeper
    beeper 19 July 2020 17: 46 New
    +4
    Of course, these "noble heroes-knights" negative will be afraid to truthfully draw a "mural" about how brutally, in all sorts of sadistic ways, the Polish military (yes, indeed, the vicious Polish inhabitants, of all ages and genders, did not stand aside and did not shy away from actively participating in the brutal murders of captured Red Army soldiers - wounded and helpless our compatriots who fell into their clutches!) were killed and deliberately starved in the shortest possible time in Polish death camps all these tens of thousands captured by them, unarmed, hyped up and undressed, captured Red Army men!

    Polish military and civilian killers (as part of the NATO contingent and Nazi militants punishing in the Donbass) and now, even in these moments, they are killing defenseless civilians in our Russian land!

    It is high time to ban the annual anti-Russian Sabbath of Polish Russophobes in Katyn forever, how to ban other similar "events and monuments" throughout Russian territory!
    1. Farid Alekperov
      Farid Alekperov 19 July 2020 23: 10 New
      +1
      Well, so they considered the Red Army occupiers, respectively, and the hatred for them was very, very
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 July 2020 17: 47 New
    +2
    Polish soldier is so dumb that he doesn’t know how to use a rifle? !!!
    1. Igool
      Igool 19 July 2020 18: 42 New
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      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Polish soldier is so dumb that he doesn’t know how to use a rifle? !!!

      What is there not to know, the "Polish military doctrine" accurately indicates - cavalry on tanks, a rifle by the barrel (using not a saber, but a rifle instead of a club, it is more convenient to hold, well, it's obvious)
  • HAM
    HAM 19 July 2020 18: 14 New
    +3
    And why the Serpent is not green, it’s better for the Poles to fight it ...
  • vavilon
    vavilon 19 July 2020 18: 21 New
    +1
    Let them draw what they want, why write about it and pay attention to it.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 19 July 2020 18: 24 New
    +1
    To remind these "friends" what the Germans are!
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 July 2020 18: 52 New
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      To remind these "friends" what the Germans are!

      The current Germans, not those who were 41-44, nothing remained of the warlike Prussian character. In the mentality of the modern German nation, aggressiveness is completely absent. Militarism is in their past.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 26 New
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        Quote: pytar
        To remind these "friends" what the Germans are!

        The current Germans, not those who were 41-44, nothing remained of the warlike Prussian character. In the mentality of the modern German nation, aggressiveness is completely absent. Militarism is in their past.

        Not otherwise, the "vaccination" of 1945 from our soldiers, is still valid soldier
        1. pytar
          pytar 19 July 2020 19: 38 New
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          Not otherwise, the "vaccination" of 1945 from our soldiers, is still valid

          This is not the only reason. After the war, the Germans realized what they had done. By the way, the American military administration forcibly led the German Frau and burghers in the camps to rake up the corpses. They were deeply impressed by repentance and shame for the atrocities they had committed during WWII. A moral and ethical turning point has come in the German nation! For the difference from the Japanese, the Germans are very well aware of their crimes.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 51 New
            +8
            Quote: pytar
            Not otherwise, the "vaccination" of 1945 from our soldiers, is still valid

            This is not the only reason. After the war, the Germans realized what they had done. By the way, the American military administration forcibly led the German Frau and burghers in the camps to rake up the corpses. They were deeply impressed by repentance and shame for the atrocities they had committed during WWII. A moral and ethical turning point has come in the German nation! For the difference from the Japanese, the Germans are very well aware of their crimes.

            I agree, we have such a feature - to smash the enemy to smithereens ...
            And, to educate, then of course, winked Americans have no equal ... democracy alone will pummel a dead crying
            1. pytar
              pytar 19 July 2020 20: 12 New
              -10 qualifying.
              I agree, we have such a feature - to smash the enemy to smithereens ...

              Therefore, the Poles are rightfully proud that in 1920 they were able to defend their freedom! Cud nad Wisłą!
              We must give them their due - the Poles are brave soldiers! Nemtsy noted that the most staunch fighters among the allies on the western / Italian front are Poles and Gurks.
              Americans have no equal ... democracy alone will pummel a dead

              The method was effective! Probably, many modern Russians would look at their history differently if they were organized collective visits to the gulags ...
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 19 July 2020 21: 18 New
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                Quote: pytar
                I agree, we have such a feature - to smash the enemy to smithereens ...

                Therefore, the Poles are rightfully proud that in 1920 they were able to defend their freedom! Cud nad Wisłą!
                We must give them their due - the Poles are brave soldiers! Nemtsy noted that the most staunch fighters among the allies on the western / Italian front are Poles and Gurks.
                Americans have no equal ... democracy alone will pummel a dead

                The method was effective! Probably, many modern Russians would look at their history differently if they were organized collective visits to the gulags ...

                With this post you showed your Russophobia.
                If you "need" then go on and on
                Quote: pytar
                give them their due - the Poles are brave soldiers!


                Quote: pytar
                The method turned out to be effective!
                For you, yes!

                Quote: pytar
                Probably, many modern Russians would have looked at their history differently if they had organized collective visits on the gulags ...
                Believe it or not, we know about the GULAG better than you, and not only from the "tablets" from the informer Solzhenitsin.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 19 July 2020 22: 18 New
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                  With this post you showed your Russophobia.

                  And in general there is "russophobia"?!?! fool The Poles think so, you have your own opinion. I am always interested in different opinions. Look at the situation from the other side! If it seems to you Russophobia, then you have a very distorted understanding of the word.
                  For you, yes!

                  For whom "for you"? I'm talking about the Germans! Ask how they cleaned the camps, under the supervision of the American army.
                  Believe it or not, we know about the GULAG better than you, and not only from the "tablets" from the informer Solzhenitsin.

                  Again "we", "you", etc. compote! You personally may know, there are others who do not know. All people are different!
                  1. Terenin
                    Terenin 20 July 2020 12: 48 New
                    +5
                    Quote: pytar
                    Look at the situation from the other side!

                    Okay, Boyan, look ...
                    You can't understand everything winked why
                    Quote: pytar
                    Again "we", "you", etc. compote!
                    I, for example, am such a "compote-distorted-intolerant" Pole to the opinion of the Germans about "bravery" (by the way, how long did it take them "bravely" to surrender Poland to them?) Europe ..., about Chinese (Eastern) wisdom and the rules of war ..., and the Russian "Lefties" A. Nevsky, A. Suvorov, Ushakov, Kutuzov, Zhukov ... they don't want to understand this request and beat all the great and wise "in the tail and groove."
                    Here and now, "different opinions", for example. about the Gulag, they try to open the "Overton Windows".
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 20 July 2020 13: 34 New
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                      Gennady, you are too biased. For some reason, you think that recognizing the qualities of others diminishes yours! The history of Poland knows great victories, as well as devastating defeats! Russian too. Russia has its own Suvorovs, and Poland has its own! In WWII, all opponents of Germany were unprepared for blitzkrieg tactics. Poland, whose resources are less and the geographical location itself is inconvenient, withstood 27 days under the attacks of the Wehrmacht! France, together with Great Britain, Belgium and Holland, held on for 42 days. It's not much more! Poles fought against Germany from the beginning of WWII to its end!
                      As for the gulags, they were and this is a black page in the history of Russia, convicted of. authorities of the Russian Federation itself!
                      Here you are confusing, completely different things! The events associated with the "Miracle on the Vistula" in 1920 are a reason for national pride for Poles! It's like for the Russians, the Battle of Poltava! By the way, in 1920, Czechoslovakia took advantage of the difficult situation in Poland, and occupied the Cieszyn region. Further chronologically, the liberation of Poland from the Nazi occupation of the Red Army in 45 is a completely different, already positive event! But the subsequent establishment of the communist regime for half a century is an event generally negatively perceived by the Poles! You cannot decide for them what is good for them, what is bad! They are for you too! I do not know that the Poles told you that you should be respected or honored on your territory! If you know about such a case, write! I will be interested to know! hi
                      1. Terenin
                        Terenin 20 July 2020 15: 16 New
                        +5
                        Quote: pytar
                        Russia has its own Suvorovs, and Poland has its own!

                        Boyan hi so as not to be biased, all the historical glory of the Polish hussars would have ended without the Red Army, like the Inca empire. So? So!
                        Let's go further and dwell on the moment of Poland's "glory" at the present time winked Ah, this moment is as simple as "fish on ice"
                        Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki asks the United States to send troops into Poland as soon as possible
                        Everything, my friend, for me, about the "most significant force in Eastern Europe", the question is closed.
                        Boyan, you are winked , write if CHE yes .

                        Py.Sy.
                        Quote: pytar
                        Poland, whose resources are less and the geographical location itself is inconvenient, withstood 27 days under the attacks of the Wehrmacht!

                        Speaking of blitzkrieg ...
                        Pavlov's House is a 4-storey residential building located on Lenin Square in Volgograd, in which during the Battle of Stalingrad during 58 days a group of Soviet fighters heroically defended.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 20 July 2020 16: 52 New
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                        all the historical glory of the Polish hussars would end without the Red Army, like the Inca Empire

                        Dear, history does not know the subjunctive mood! Rome was a great empire, and it has long been gone! So what? Shall we cancel his victories and defeats? Because "we are the coolest"? And what will happen in the future? Nobody is forever, nobody knows!
                        Everything, my friend, for me, about the "most significant force in Eastern Europe", the question is closed.

                        Who are you ... RI ...? Poles from a similar mindset probably write the same thing on their forums about you. wink
                        By the way, about the blitzkrieg ... Pavlov's house is a 4-storey residential building located on Lenin Square in Volgograd, in which during the battle of Stalingrad a group of Soviet fighters heroically held the defenses for 58 days.

                        I know. And how does this heroic fact rejuvenate the heroic facts that other countries and peoples have? request
                      3. Terenin
                        Terenin 20 July 2020 19: 06 New
                        +5
                        Well, of course
                        Quote: pytar
                        Dear, history does not know the subjunctive mood!

                        but they themselves edifying and moralizing established that
                        Quote: pytar
                        Poles with a similar mindset probably write the same about you in their forums.

                        Quote: pytar
                        I know. And how does this heroic fact rejuvenate the heroic facts that other countries and peoples have?
                        yes, it's just that my heroic people have this fact, so I'm proud of them. What are you doing?
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 20 July 2020 20: 28 New
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                        but they themselves edifying and moralizing established that

                        God forbid Gospod! And you dispute the judgment "history does not know the subjunctive mood"?
                        yes, it's just that my heroic people have this fact, so I'm proud of them. What are you doing?

                        All nations have both positive and negative heroes! Didn't you know that? Do you have currents, and only positive ones?
                      5. Terenin
                        Terenin 21 July 2020 07: 38 New
                        +5
                        Quote: pytar
                        And you dispute the judgment "history does not know the subjunctive mood"?

                        As the saying goes, "you can't throw out words from a song ...", just don't remake the motive for the sake of momentary political conjuncture.
                        Quote: pytar
                        All nations have both positive and negative heroes! Didn't you know that? Do you have currents, and only positive ones?

                        Well, "to your health."
                        I was raised (and I am raising) on ​​my own, fatherly, positive heroes.
                        "And the smoke of the Fatherland is sweet and pleasant to us!" ...
                        hi
                      6. pytar
                        pytar 21 July 2020 09: 50 New
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                        I was raised (and I am raising) on ​​my own, fatherly, positive heroes.

                        Gennady, everyone is like that. There is such a thing in history, the heroes of one nation fought the heroes of another nation! Each nation has its own heroes, and each has the right to respect its heroes!
                      7. Terenin
                        Terenin 21 July 2020 13: 34 New
                        +5
                        Quote: pytar
                        Gennady, everyone is like that. There is such a thing in history, the heroes of one nation fought the heroes of another nation! Each nation has its own heroes, and each has the right to respect its heroes!

                        Boyan, we damn it, now we will come to the conclusion that patriotism gives rise to ... wars winked
                      8. pytar
                        pytar 21 July 2020 16: 15 New
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                        Boyan, we damn it, now we will come to the conclusion that patriotism gives rise to ... wars

                        Not patriotism, but nationalism / chauvinism gives birth to wars! I see some here are confusing these concepts! To respect, honor your heroes, your history, this is patriotism! And to run into others, because you do not like their heroes, their history, this is chauvinism! Many here on the forums are doing this! hi
                      9. Terenin
                        Terenin 21 July 2020 21: 43 New
                        +5
                        Quote: pytar
                        And to run into others, because you do not like their heroes, their history, this is chauvinism! Many here on the forums are doing this!

                        Again, Boyan "some in the forest, some for mushrooms." Take your time to evaluate. Isn't it a banedra, a curva that some people have in "heroes", to respect?
                      10. pytar
                        pytar 21 July 2020 21: 51 New
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                        1.
                        Take your time to evaluate.

                        2.
                        Isn't it a banedra, a curva that some people have in "heroes", to respect?

                        Gennady, right after the advice "do not rush to evaluate", you give an assessment! bully
                        My concepts are simpler - who does what to their country, it's an ego business. Let him not climb from his charter into someone else's monastery! hi
                      11. Terenin
                        Terenin 21 July 2020 22: 03 New
                        +5
                        Quote: pytar
                        1.
                        Take your time to evaluate.

                        2.
                        Isn't it a banedra, a curva that some people have in "heroes", to respect?

                        Gennady, right after the advice "do not rush to evaluate", you give an assessment! bully
                        My concepts are simpler - who does what to their country, it's an ego business. Let him not climb from his charter into someone else's monastery! hi

                        I am not evaluating Boyan, he and those like him were assessed by the Nuremberg Tribunal. Didn't you know again? belay
                      12. pytar
                        pytar 22 July 2020 09: 19 New
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                        I am not evaluating Boyan, he and those like him were assessed by the Nuremberg Tribunal. Didn't you know again?

                        Gennady "at least your thoughts" surprises! And the Nyurberg Tribunal for the Miracle on the Vistula? fool
                      13. Terenin
                        Terenin 22 July 2020 19: 08 New
                        +5
                        Quote: pytar
                        I am not evaluating Boyan, he and those like him were assessed by the Nuremberg Tribunal. Didn't you know again?

                        Gennady "at least your thoughts" surprises! And the Nyurberg Tribunal for the Miracle on the Vistula? fool

                        Boyan, you again, with each new post "white and fluffy", like a surgeon ...
                        Read, at your leisure - the fourth block of the tribunal, which considered - "crimes against humanity", acts of genocide (extermination based on ethnicity), and the associated organization of "death factories".
                        And then, for us Russians, you will be "head over heels" about the positive and negative heroes of Poland and the pretentious
                        ... The soldier fights with the Serpent Gorynych: A competition for the best mural about the victory over the Red Army was announced in Poland
                        and "Miracles on the Vistula".

                        By the way, you have already shown me twice in polemics fool .
                        Well, it's not pretty, buddy No.
                      14. pytar
                        pytar 22 July 2020 19: 31 New
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                        ..the fourth block of the tribunal, where “crimes against humanity”, acts of genocide (extermination based on ethnicity), and the associated organization of “death factories” were considered.

                        Gennady, I am aware of the Nyurberg Tribunal. 6 million Poles are among the victims of genocide! So again I ask, and the Nyurberg Tribunal for the Battle of the Vistula in 1920, in which the Polish army defeated the Red and defended the freedom of Poland ???
                        By the way, you showed me fool twice in polemics.

                        I apologize. repeat Let's accept that I knocked on my head. yes
                      15. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 22 July 2020 21: 42 New
                        +4
                        Seniors hi, Gennady, let's agree - it's nice to argue with Boyan, something like that in a European way: politely, even somewhere naive ... Respect to the person, but I agree with you Gennady: defending their 'heroes' they will "ride over the ears" - breaking ties: historical, family, religious ... any - that's a super task. We'll have to chop
                      16. pytar
                        pytar 22 July 2020 22: 45 New
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                        Dear Pete mitchell и Gennady! hi
                        When the interlocutors are adequate, the dialogue goes well! In life, I noticed that the most heated disputes arise ... between relatives! All Slavs are relatives!
                        defending their "heroes" they will "go over the ears" - breaking ties: historical, family, religious ... any - that's a super task. We'll have to chop

                        Why is this opinion wrong? Defending your heroes is basically correct! Everybody does it! But you have to defend, on your own land in your state! When someone tries to suvatsya with his charter in another's monastery, in the case of the Polish one, it is counterproductive, meets with resistance! In truth, there are no Poles on the forums / for some reason /, I just express my universal vision. Not chopping, but looking for bridges! Don't get hung up on what separates, but what connects! Believe me, it's much more! yes
                      17. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 22 July 2020 23: 45 New
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                        My dear Boyan: I like to enter into discussions with you, well, a curtsey to the European attitude - which I really do not share: you know experience, excuse me.
                        But what does the Russian Federation get into your Bulgarian / Polish / Baltic -``with someone there '' business? It seems - no. Cook yourself if you're happy with it, which is weird. Do you really think that the promotion is official, Nuremberg between the cases, the designated 'war criminals' in place heroes can be public policy? Looking for bridges is a great idea, but why do you consider it possible to be pejorative about the losses of the Union in the Second World War? It won't work. Let's try to speak with the Russian Federation from the standpoint of the interests of your country, maybe everyone will be interested
                      18. pytar
                        pytar 23 July 2020 00: 01 New
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                        which I don't really share: experience you know, sorry.

                        It happens ... Everyone's life goes down differently ...
                        But what does the Russian Federation get into your Bulgarian / Polish / Baltic -``with someone there '' business?

                        Bulgarian, Polish, Baltic affairs are different! climbs somewhere, sometimes they even invite, it happens in different ways.
                        Cook yourself if you're happy with that, which is weird

                        And that's what I mean. Everyone has their own compote. You too, right? And this is not strange. Whoever doesn't like someone else's compote, let his own go. Norm!
                        Do you really think that the promotion of official, Nuremberg between the cases, the designated "war criminals" in the place of heroes can be a state policy?

                        I asked Gennady where he saw the connection between Nyurberg and "Miracle on the Vistula"? He did not explain anything intelligible! Can you explain?
                        Looking for bridges is a great idea, but why do you consider it possible to be pejorative about the losses of the Union in the Second World War?

                        And here again I have to ask? And the loss of the USSR in the Second World War, to an event that is the topic of this stat?
                        Let's try to speak with the Russian Federation from the standpoint of the interests of your country, maybe everyone will be interested

                        I always take part in such topics with interest, but here the topic is different ... by the way, I was also interested, for that I joined in the discussions. request
                      19. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 23 July 2020 00: 54 New
                        +4
                        Quote: pytar
                        between Nyurberg and "Miracle on the Vistula"

                        You know, the connection is simple - what will be the next step? And please do not talk about different understanding and presentation of history - I lived in the NDP. During the time of the SVD, they taught at least 6 military campaigns of the RI / Union to Poland, including WWI and WWII ??? How shoud I understand this. You cannot leave without reaction, you cannot take the events taking place narrowly. How is our William Shakespeare saying, remember?
                        An example from recent history: Kachinsky's plane hits a birch tree below the level of the runway end in Smolensk, while violating the ICAO flight rules; Poles shoot a film and even young Polish 'pilots' begin to broadcast that: Russians are to blame, Russian wine ... This is an example from personal experience. Do you agree with that? Then we will wait for what will grow out of your growing up ... We would live by our own mind and our own interests - it would be easier for everyone
                      20. pytar
                        pytar 23 July 2020 09: 56 New
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                        And please do not talk about different understanding and presentation of history - I lived in the NDP.

                        It's a fact, whether you like it or not! The story is often ambiguous! One's victory is another's defeat!
                        During the time of the SVD, they taught at least 6 military campaigns of the RI / Union to Poland, including WWI and WWII ??? How shoud I understand this.

                        Did they actually exist? Probably it was! What does it mean? To understand - if there were any, then they are a fact!
                        You cannot leave without reaction, you cannot take the events taking place narrowly.

                        Your approach to history demonstrates this narrowness that no one else but you will accept! This becomes a problem when you go from your views in other countries!
                        And what will you do? You will go with tanks and instruct again the monuments of Lenin, Stalin in Poland, in Vost. Europe? Nope, won't give a ride ... sad
                    2. Terenin
                      Terenin 23 July 2020 09: 10 New
                      +4
                      Quote: pytar
                      Everyone has their own compote. You too, right? And this is not strange. Whoever doesn't like someone else's compote, let his own go.

                      Hello as said
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      My dear Boyan
                      .
                      All over again? The "disease" from the infection of the Pole Brzezinski (the identification of the Soviet system, Stalinism, with Nazism, with Hitlerism, and all this under the heading of totalitarianism ...) is progressing in your country (since the collapse of the USSR). We will treat winked , "Russophobes are our profile! (c)".

                      Quote: pytar
                      In life, I noticed that the most heated disputes arise ... between relatives!

                      And, here you are right, there is such a joke, with a grain of truth laughing that "family is a bunch of enemies!"
                    3. pytar
                      pytar 23 July 2020 10: 45 New
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                      the infection of the Pole Brzezinski (the identification of the Soviet system, Stalinism, with Nazism, with Hitlerism, and all this under the head of totalitarianism ...) has been progressing in your country (since the collapse of the USSR). We will treat winked, "Russophobes are our profile! (C)".

                      Brzezhinsky has nothing to do with this, since in the whole Vost. Europe, the period of totalitarianism is perceived negatively without it. So you "manage" to present the Bolsheviks, who demolished the Russian Empire to smithereens, as positive heroes, while the Republic of Ingushetia itself, in your country, too, in a positive way, despite its reactionary nature! You have "all good", it does not matter that they were killed mutually! And you transfer / export all this outside your country!
                      Anyone who thinks differently, you call "russophobe", although probably no more russophobic than the Bolsheviks! The complete absence of logic does not bother the Russian patriot in any way!
                    4. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 23 July 2020 14: 10 New
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                      hi
                      Quote: Terenin
                      as said
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      My dear Boyan
                      . Again all over again?

                      Honestly, this is reminiscent of running in a circle, busting.
                      Quote: pytar
                      And you transfer / export all this outside of your country
                      The conversation is clearly at a dead end, but nevertheless: what do you think we should call those who glorify the enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia / Union / RF? Modern Russia what bothers anyone tolerant pants down in front of the western world? Lower your right, but don't slander the Russian Federation. It turned out that you airpeans it is easy to tear yourself away from your own history and register anything in your bios: chickens are counted in autumn
                    5. pytar
                      pytar 23 July 2020 15: 29 New
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                      Honestly, this is reminiscent of running in a circle, busting.

                      No offense, but just chasing the tail! wink
                      The conversation is clearly at an impasse ...

                      You flatly refuse to recognize the rights of others, to perceive the world not as you! In conclusion, let's break down the situations on the shelves, based on facts:
                      and what do you think we should call those who glorify the enemies of the Republic of Ingushetia / Union / RF?

                      1. The Bolsheviks were enemies of RI! They destroyed it, and many Russians died in the civil war. The leader of the revolution spoke very unkindly about the Russian people.
                      2.In the USSR, the policy of Stalin's repression was sharply criticized.
                      3. The Russian Federation officially apologized for Stalin's actions in relation to neighboring countries.
                      So who are your enemies, who are your friends?!?! You do not have the same opinion, and your opinions change periodically! At the same time, how can you have claims to other countries, how they "should" define their enemies, if you yourself can't figure it out ?!
                      I will give you such a real example, from which you will probably go nuts! In Bulgaria, the national holiday was March 3 - Day of the liberation of Bulgaria from Ottoman slavery! On this Holy Day, young and old, they paid reverence, respect to Brotherly Russia! After 09.09.1944 and the seizure of power by the communists on the bayonets of the Red Army, etc. "March 3" was declared "chauvinistic" and during socialism was not celebrated solemnly! This was done at the behest of the Kremlin, the holiday contradicted the communist ideology! Restored in 1991, after being lifted by a totalitarian dictatorship! By the way, the communists destroyed all the monuments associated with the monarchy, they intended to deal with the monuments in honor of the Russian Empire (we have more than 500 of them), but they were scared by the reaction of the people. As a result, some memorials of outstanding Russian military and political figures were preserved only in Bulgaria, and in the USSR they were destroyed!
                      Modern Russia, what prevents anyone from tolerantly lowering their pants in front of the Western world?

                      And what have the Western countries to do with it, if even during socialism, you had ideological problems with a number of socialist countries? Moreover, modern Russia and the modern West, if the historical conflict between Russia and a number of East countries. Europe was 300 years before !?
                      Lower your right, but don't slander the Russian Federation.

                      Slandering, equally meaningless claims, when things that happen in a foreign country are put up against! In the given case, a competition in Poland!
                      It turned out that it is easy to tear you Airpeans away from your own history and prescribe anything in your bios: chickens are counted in the fall

                      Just not for you to indicate how it is with someone else's history! You stubbornly and absolutely senselessly, trying to sell foreign countries, your idea of ​​THEIR history! At home, everyone has the right to interpret it as he likes! Your bios and bios of others, they are all different! Yes, and not everything is unambiguous in bios - I also have different opinions!
                    6. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 23 July 2020 16: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: pytar
                      This was done at the behest of the Kremlin

                      Boyan, my dear - first of all: send such claims to your leaders who have caved in. If there is no ridge, then it is not the Kremlin's fault. Now you are also being held for a 'Faberge', but since this is not the Russian Federation, then everyone is portraying decency and pleasure, for how long. Secondly: yes, we are asians with slanted eyes and a good memory: live as you want, but do not stick a stick in the bear's den; and if you poke - don't be surprised.
                    7. pytar
                      pytar 23 July 2020 17: 06 New
                      -1
                      direct such complaints to your leaders who caved in.

                      Where did you see the claims? request If you don't understand, I gave an example of how ambiguous the perception of events in Russia / USSR / RI itself, at different periods of time!
                      Now you are also being held for 'Faberge'

                      Are you not being held? Hold on and how, and you portray patriotism with a heroic look!
                      Secondly: yes, we are Asians with slanted eyes and a good memory:

                      You may be Asian, but my wife is Russian - the most beautiful Slav! yes
                      live as you want, but do not poke a stick in a bear den; and if you poke - don't be surprised.

                      Let's get back to the case we are discussing - the competition in Poland! It turns out that the bear pokes a stick at the Poles! And he is surprised that he is not welcome!
                  2. Terenin
                    Terenin 23 July 2020 16: 54 New
                    +4
                    Quote: pytar
                    Just not for you to indicate how it is with someone else's history! You stubbornly and absolutely senselessly, trying to sell foreign countries, your idea of ​​THEIR history! At home, everyone has the right to interpret it as he likes!

                    Oh, well done, sits, and for a long time, on the Russian site and teaches us
                    Quote: pytar
                    So who are your enemies, who are your friends?!?! You do not have the same opinion, and your opinions change periodically! At the same time, how can you have claims to other countries, how they "should" define their enemies, if you yourself can't figure it out ?!
                    Try to figure it out on Turkish sites, and give them points 1.2.3 ... and I'll see how they "tolerate" you.

                    Quote: pytar
                    1. The Bolsheviks were enemies of RI! They destroyed it
                    do not understand, do not judge. What was destroyed? Railways, cities ...? The bourgeois Provisional Government was overthrown, and power was transferred to the Soviets of Workers', Soldiers' and Peasants' Deputies.

                    Quote: pytar
                    and many Russians died in the civil war.
                    yes, this is our tragedy. I decided to remind you? Keep the answer:
                    In 1875-1876. an anti-Turkish uprising began in Bulgaria. It was most brutally suppressed by the Ottomans. Tens of thousands of Bulgarians were killed, robbed and raped by the Turks and their irregular formations (Albanians, Kurds, etc.).

                    And who gave independence to Bulgaria and at what cost?

                    Quote: pytar
                    The leader of the revolution spoke very unkindly about the Russian people.
                    Fuck nonsense. I heard a ringing, and you don't know where he is.

                    Quote: pytar
                    2.In the USSR, the policy of Stalin's repression was sharply criticized.
                    Every family has its black sheep. By the way, Bulgaria, during these years, with the support of the USSR, lived remarkably well. But, one plus the Bulgarian politicians took away from this for themselves - friendship with Russia can be sold.
                    We, in fact, are not proud - we will survive. Will you survive, "brothers"?

                    Quote: pytar
                    The Russian Federation officially apologized for Stalin's actions in relation to neighboring countries.

                    Again you were lying. Boyan, have the Balts heard enough? You are more careful with them, repression in Russia, after the revolution, this is their handiwork.

                    Quote: pytar
                    Moreover, modern Russia and the modern West, if the historical conflict between Russia and a number of East countries. Europe was 300 years before !?
                    remembered about 300 years? Okay, and who, in 1878, liberated Bulgaria from the 500-year-old yoke Ottoman Empire? And, I remembered, Bruce Willis with a bat.

                    Quote: pytar
                    Just not for you to indicate how it is with someone else's history! You stubbornly and absolutely senselessly, trying to sell foreign countries, your idea of ​​THEIR history! At home, everyone has the right to interpret it as he likes!
                    Brakes, "Bulgarian". About 150 thousand Russian soldiers sacrificed their lives on the altar of Bulgarian independence. In fact, Bulgaria is more Russian than Bulgarian, so the common people of Bulgaria
                    Quote: pytar
                    / we have more than 500 of them / but they were scared by the reaction of the people. As a result, some monuments of prominent Russian military and political figures have been preserved only in Bulgaria,
                    which will again save the Bulgarians when they are, with such rotten politicians, on the brink of death.
                    hi
                  3. pytar
                    pytar 23 July 2020 20: 55 New
                    -1
                    Gennady, whether I am not clear, or you don’t understand, it doesn’t matter, but our opinions differ. Okay, I got on 2 videos here, I think it will be interesting for you to see!

                  4. Terenin
                    Terenin 24 July 2020 10: 16 New
                    +3
                    Quote: pytar
                    Gennady, whether I am not clear, or you don’t understand, it doesn’t matter, but our opinions differ. Okay, I got on 2 videos here, I think it will be interesting for you to see!



                    Quote: pytar
                    Gennady, either I am not clear, or you don’t understand, it doesn’t matter,

                    Boyan hi you perfectly understand everything.
                    I looked at the videos. Thank.
                    Impressions.
                    First video: Really sorry for you all. The main message of the polled Ukrainians and Belarusians is "how good it is in Poland", and the polled Pole - "how good it is in England." Nobody said that they feel good in their homeland.

                    Second video: The host is lying like a "gray gelding" that more and more Russians are going to live in Poland.
                    The most truthful and understandable (to me), these are four guys from an open cafe and an elderly couple (a mustachioed man).
                  5. pytar
                    pytar 24 July 2020 15: 25 New
                    0
                    Boyan, you perfectly understand everything.

                    Thanks, I thought so. But you do not understand or pretend not to understand. It's just a matter of weighing - do you celebrate there with a victory on the Kulikovo field, or the Battle of Poltava, and many more? Yes? So why shouldn't others celebrate their victories? They don't do it for you, do they?
                    First video: Really sorry for you all. The main message of the polled Ukrainians and Belarusians is "how good it is in Poland", and the polled Pole - "how good it is in England." Nobody said that they feel good in their homeland.

                    You missed the most important message! People said that as they go to look for help / earnings / from more developed countries, where they live a little better, so the Poles are ready quite well-wishingly received by themselves, those who need help! The good sense clearly does not reach you! You see only evil and negativity in everything. Not surprisingly, despite the situation in the Russian Federation. One of the speakers said a very true thing - no shameful work! everyone who works deserves respect!
                    Second video: The host is lying like a "gray gelding" that more and more Russians are going to live in Poland.

                    I don't know if he is lying or telling the truth, but according to various opinion polls, up to 54% of young Russians want to emigrate. Almost 17% of Russians are ready to do this immediately. Even here in Bulgaria, 30% of all migrants are citizens of the Russian Federation! In recent years, their account has grown 5 times, the young are more and more. You can think anything, but facts are stubborn things! They also exist against your wishes, Gennady ...! yes
                  6. Terenin
                    Terenin 24 July 2020 16: 35 New
                    +3
                    Quote: pytar
                    I don't know if he is lying or telling the truth, but according to various opinion polls, up to 54% of young Russians want to emigrate. Almost 17% of Russians are ready to do this immediately.

                    Boyan, according to your "statistics" in Russia, I'm the only one left.
                    Quote: pytar
                    The good sense clearly does not reach you! You see only evil and negativity in everything.
                    in confirmation of your posts, I am the very one - the evil Russian, to whom the good West has done so many "good" for 500 years ...


                    Quote: pytar
                    One of the speakers said a very true thing - no shameful work! everyone who works deserves respect!

                    Oh, is it !? The post-war "gold rush" in Poland and the Baltic states, in the place of concentration camps, was also work, not to mention hard "work" in them during their operation.
                    Quote: pytar
                    I don't know if he's lying or telling the truth
                    of course he's lying, don't be hi
                  7. pytar
                    pytar 24 July 2020 16: 42 New
                    0
                    I look, an hour ago another article came out on VO, on the topic:
                    https://topwar.ru/173440-v-polshe-varshavskaja-bitva-s-bolshevikami-imela-vazhnoe-znachenie-dlja-chelovechestva.html
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 19 July 2020 21: 20 New
    +6
    "the most staunch fighters among the allies on the western / Italian front, these are Poles and Turks" I'm sorry, are you kidding? In WWII, the Turks were Germany's allies, and in WWII they were neutral. So that they couldn't be the enemy
    1. pytar
      pytar 19 July 2020 22: 34 New
      -2
      Poles and Turks "sorry, are you kidding? In WWI тUrki were allies of Germany, and in WWII they were neutral. So that they could not be an adversary

      I meant Nepalese gurkha serving in the British army. If I am not mistaken - the battle of Monte Cassino ...
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 19 July 2020 21: 23 New
    +3
    I'm glad if it's true. WWII is very expensive for our country
  • georggy
    georggy 20 July 2020 13: 01 New
    -1
    Create conditions for Nazism and you will forget what you stated before.
    You will get tired of hiding.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 July 2020 18: 59 New
    +1
    I would not be surprised that the house on which this writings is located was built according to the project of a Soviet architect. My neighbor began his career as an architect from Poland and built not only military camps.
  • frols
    frols 19 July 2020 19: 24 New
    +3
    Well, say no, but the Polish authorities are skillfully promoting that part of history that is beneficial to them. Here in our city, a small town in Latvia, the Poles do not spare money: and a memorial plaque to the leader of the Polish uprising of 1863 Count Leon Broel-Plater was opened and dedicated to There is a memorial sign for the Polish king Stefan Batory and there is a Polish school. It's funny, of course, because this Plater wanted to restore the borders of Poland within 1772 and such a state as Latvia was not supposed to be at all along these borders, but he is a monument, and the Russians know who is here.
    But even 20 years ago our city was one of the most Russian in Latvia, and a memorial plaque and this sign were installed in the fortress built by the decree of the Emperor Alexander I on the eve of the war with Napoleon I in order to strengthen the western border of the Russian Empire. only due to the fact that the Rothko art center was placed there, for me it is so daub, but they give money for it, so the fortress falls, although recently restoration work and historical festivals have been carried out in the fortress.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 19 July 2020 19: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Terenin
    a Polish soldier fights with a three-headed red dragon (Serpent Gorynych).

    Judging by this mural, with the Serpent Gorynych, the Polish soldier, from the constant bukhalov, already had a "delirium tremens" winked

    We should remember how they ate each other in the Kremlin in 1612, when "the brave zholner devoured his mother laughing
  • Uh Neuhov
    Uh Neuhov 19 July 2020 20: 00 New
    -1
    It's about how bad it is to lose wars. Who is to blame that the Red Army was defeated near Warsaw? Lenin? Tukhachevsky? One was made an idol to worship, the other a Marshal. That's just because of that defeat with Poland, there are many problems with it.
    1. albert
      albert 19 July 2020 21: 40 New
      +2
      It’s just that the civil one wasn’t over yet. Then, if all the Red Army forces deployed on other fronts were thrown at the Poles, the Pshek would have guaranteed the battle for Warsaw.
  • Procopius Nesterov
    Procopius Nesterov 19 July 2020 20: 21 New
    +1
    Do Poles in fairy tales also have the Serpent Gorynych?
    1. Avior
      Avior 19 July 2020 20: 57 New
      +1
      No, this is not. There is a Wawel dragon from Krakow, but it is from legends, and not from fairy tales.
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 20 July 2020 03: 11 New
      +1
      Procopius Nesterov (Procopius Nesterov) Yesterday, 20:21
      0
      Poles in fairy tales what is Serpent Gorynych too?
      Reply
      Only in the heads of some, but their number is significant. wink
  • Astra wild
    Astra wild 19 July 2020 21: 06 New
    +3
    Actually, Mikhail Tukhachevsky is a dubious character. Perhaps he is directly responsible for the defeat. At least I understood that after reading Martirosyan
    1. Gato
      Gato 19 July 2020 21: 42 New
      +3
      Actually, Mikhail Tukhachevsky is a dubious character

      So dubious that he was later shot.
  • Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 19 July 2020 21: 52 New
    +1
    By God, it would be possible, I think, in Belarus we would find artists who, with great excitement and artistic taste, also painted a similar picture. For example, on the topic of the liberation of Western Belarus ... Schert, take it, this is an idea ...
  • poppy admiral
    poppy admiral 19 July 2020 23: 51 New
    +4
    Somehow everyone forgets that the war was started not by Soviet Russia, but by Poland. And while we were fluttering on other fronts, the Poles took Kiev. So, calling it an unconditional victory for Poland will also be controversial. BUT in the absence of other victories in recent wars in Poland, somewhere in the 18th century, for them this is a super victory!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 20 July 2020 03: 12 New
      0
      poppy admiral (novel) Yesterday, 23:51
      +1
      Somehow everyone forgets that the war was started not by Soviet Russia, but by Poland. And while we were fluttering on other fronts, the Poles took Kiev. So, calling it an unconditional victory for Poland will also be controversial. BUT in the absence of other victories in recent wars in Poland, somewhere in the 18th century, for them this is a super victory!
      For pshechnya not only cancer, but even a water flea is also a fish. wink
  • fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 20 July 2020 00: 14 New
    +1
    first they attacked Ukraine, and now they give it out as an attack by the Bolsheviks on them - the whole essence of Poland
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 July 2020 06: 51 New
    -1
    If I understand correctly, then the serpent gorynych is Poles on horses with rustling wings, and the Soldier-Liberator is, as always, a Russian WARRIOR. Oh, and the clowns, apparently they beat them a little, but nothing, it's not over yet. Apparently waiting for the next section, taking into account the previous mistakes on our part.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 20 July 2020 09: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Gato
    Actually, Mikhail Tukhachevsky is a dubious character

    So dubious that he was later shot.

    That then Joseph Vissarionich did the right thing.
  • businessv
    businessv 20 July 2020 22: 18 New
    0
    a Polish soldier fights with a three-headed red dragon (Serpent Gorynych). The fire-breathing snake, according to the author's logic, clearly symbolizes the Red Army.
    The author has a clear sense of imbalance - either it is Gorynych's cub (but then how about "the soldier will not offend the child"?), Or the soldier ate anabolic steroids!