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Lugansk presented an ultimatum to Ukraine

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Kiev must either begin to implement the Minsk agreements or abandon them. This opinion was expressed by Olga Kobtseva, a representative of the Lugansk People's Republic in the humanitarian subgroup of the Trilateral Contact Group in Minsk.


This is reported by the Lugansk network edition luga1news.

Kobtseva also stated that Lugansk presented an ultimatum to the Ukrainian side in recent talks in Minsk. Lugansk demanded that Kiev, before the start of the local elections to be held in Ukraine in October this year, decide whether it intends to follow the path of a peaceful settlement, or announce its withdrawal from the Minsk agreements:

In the Minsk negotiation process, we informed the Ukrainian representatives that they should take a step before the election: either they are taking the step of a peaceful settlement, or they are announcing that they are withdrawing from the Minsk agreements.

Kiev needs to confirm this choice with an appropriate political decision. And if Kiev withdraws from the Minsk agreements, the Minsk agreements themselves cease to exist accordingly.

Kobtseva also recalled that from the first day of its existence, the Lugansk People's Republic has been defending its interests, freedom and independence.

Earlier, the assistant to the Minister of Internal Affairs of the LPR Vitaliy Kiselev, referring to the data of Olga Kobtseva, said that 1609 civilians of the republic died during the years of the armed aggression of Ukraine against the LPR.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 16: 00
    +28
    Well, right. How much can you endure?
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 19 July 2020 21: 35
      -1
      What is right? What is the ultimatum itself ???
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 July 2020 16: 00
    +28
    It is high time to end this circus.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 19 July 2020 16: 15
      +18
      In the Minsk negotiation process, we informed the Ukrainian representatives that they should take a step before the election: either they are taking the step of a peaceful settlement, or they are announcing that they are withdrawing from the Minsk agreements.

      Well, this is only part of the ultimatum requirement. The second part should contain the actions of the LPR and DPR in case of refusal of the official Kiev yes .

      And as for the mention of the so-called "elections", it seems that Kiev has ALREADY declared that it does not intend to hold such ...
      ====================================================================== ================
      The Verkhovna Rada explained why it is irrational to hold elections in Donbass
      KYIV, 19 July 2020, 12:46 - REGNUM

      Elections in the Ukrainian-occupied parts of the LPR and DPR (the so-called Kiev-controlled territories) are irrational to hold until “Russian troops” leave the DPR and LPR and the border of Ukraine becomes “what it should be,” said the Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Elena Kondratyuk (Batkivshchyna faction) in an interview with Radio Liberty (media-foreign agent), published on 18 July.

      “We believe that while there is a division of this territory - Luhansk and Donetsk regions (LPR and DPR - IA REGNUM) ... while ... civil, military administrations are working now, elections are now even in the controlled (occupied by Kiev part of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics - IA REGNUM) ... it is impossible to carry out. Until the security issue is put in order, until the Russian troops withdraw and our border line is not what it should be, there is simply no rationality to hold elections there ”


      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3013951.html
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
      1. bar
        bar 19 July 2020 18: 12
        +7
        Well, this is only part of the ultimatum requirement. The second part should contain the actions of the LPR and DPR in case of refusal of the official Kiev

        In the second part, Russia must stop wrinkling its boobs and recognize the independence of the DPR / LPR. After Ukraine leaves the Minsk agreements, this will be the only option for ending the conflict.
        1. Dmitry10SPb
          Dmitry10SPb 20 July 2020 01: 59
          0
          The meaning of this action? Such recognition will not restore the economy of Donbass. The living standards of the locals will not raise. Military confrontation will continue. Russia will receive a new package of sanctions.
          And then, Ukraine does not withdraw from the Minsk agreements. Why on earth? Does not execute, but does not exit.
          1. bar
            bar 20 July 2020 08: 15
            +2
            The military confrontation will continue. Russia will receive a new package of sanctions.

            This is what is needed to put an end to this military confrontation. Having recognized the DPR / LPR as independent states, and not the territory of Ukraine, it will be possible, at the request of these states, to legally send troops there to protect their sovereignty. As for the sanctions, they will be all the same, not about this, but about another. Striped ones with reins don't bother.

            And then, Ukraine does not withdraw from the Minsk agreements. Why on earth? Does not execute, but does not exit.

            That is why it does not come out because he understands everything. There may be ... (gnawed by censorship), but not fools. I think that the termination of the Minsk agreements due to the fault of Ukraine will be announced at the next meeting of the Normandy group. The ultimatum to Zelensky has already been rolled out, it cannot drag on endlessly. This will untie our hands.

            Such recognition will not restore the economy of Donbass. The standard of living of the locals will not raise.

            As for the economy, Donbass itself should raise it. On a plate with a rim, no one will bring it, the times are not the same, we have already spent a lot in the Crimea. Normal legal trade relations will be established, if only with Russia, and the economy will be able to improve.
          2. Alexfu
            Alexfu 21 July 2020 05: 52
            0
            The standard of living in the industrial regions of Ukraine ... and what is the standard of living in Ukraine itself? Donbass is an industrial area, not a subsidized one. And the Ukrainian economy is based on the "honest" word of the United States.
            1. mehan
              mehan 21 July 2020 13: 09
              0
              What part of Donbass are you talking about now? Which, industrial and not subsidized?
      2. atalef
        atalef 19 July 2020 18: 49
        -26
        Quote: Insurgent
        Well, this is only part of the ultimate requirement.

        in fact, there you are scattered on the third day ultimati.
        Quote: Andrey Vasilievich
        The republics need to unite, declare themselves the successor of the Ukrainian SSR, the flag, coat of arms and constitution are

        а деревне Гадюкино , объявить себя отдельным государством , объявить войну Люксембургу и тут же сдаться в плен.

        Quote: cniza
        That's right, but Kiev continues to look for the "fifth corner".

        and what is it expressed in?
        1. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 19 July 2020 20: 04
          +9
          look at your gadyushnik, I haven't even given up for a long time, but sold out! Bandera !!
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 20 July 2020 00: 00
            -14
            Quote: Local from the Volga
            look at your gadyushnik, I haven't even given up for a long time, but sold out! Bandera !!

            His "gadyushnik" is much more successful than our two combined. laughing
            Israel is much more successful for people than Ukraine / RF.
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 20 July 2020 03: 14
            +3
            Local from the Volga (Local) Yesterday, 20:04 NEW
            +1
            look at your gadyushnik, I haven't even given up for a long time, but sold out! Bandera !!
            This stink comes from Israel. angry
        2. boss
          boss 20 July 2020 22: 46
          +1
          At least in how the population of Ukraine has decreased.
          The fact that the country is under external control, which is clearly confirmed by the published records from the "derkach" tapes.
          In a rapidly growing external debt.
          The fact that Ukrainian officials constantly complain that Russia belittles them, seizes and attacks and constantly whines, they ask for help, and financially.
          The fact is that the population was once again deceived with a clown prezik, who swore, swore to stop the war in a month, but lied.
          In the fact that for Ukraine, even as a welcome and beggar woman in Europe, not a fifth, no corner and place was found and about any entry into the European Union, even remotely - hypothetical, even speech is not conducted in the most optimistic dreams.
          This is not enough?
          I can continue ....
    2. dauria
      dauria 19 July 2020 23: 24
      -4
      It is high time to end this circus.


      In the 14th, although he was perplexed, he hoped. They say that there is a cunning plan to return the entire Ukraine as a whole, that the "strategists" in the Kremlin know better. 6 years have passed. And it turned out that there was no plan, and selfish interests, money and real estate over the hill were above all. And all the loud statements "We will not allow, but let them only dare", riding in armored personnel carriers along the border turned out to be what? It is a pity for the peasants, they went to their land without waiting for help from their own Russians. Eh, Putin .. for whom are you working for our oligarchs? Doorman at the door? Or do you really know something that we are gray and not supposed to know?
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 20 July 2020 00: 50
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        what are we gray and not supposed to know?.

        Беда многих серых в том, что даже если что-то узнают, то не могут осмыслить, ага. Но при этом додумывают то, чего не знают. Круг замкнулся. yes
  3. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 16: 02
    +51
    As a resident of Lugansk, it's nice to hear this))
    Well what a ghouls? Or do what you must, or we will do it right.
    1. Glennie
      Glennie 19 July 2020 16: 08
      -39
      Well, how should it be, explain?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 16: 48
        +25
        See how it should be))
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 19 July 2020 16: 54
          -36
          Just like in the past, that is, neither how
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 19 July 2020 17: 22
              -30
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Smile, clowns, pour yourself cola and calm down))
              Name then at least the date when it will be possible to start asking "well, what, well, where?" Or will it be like the eternal anticipation of the second coming?
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 17: 30
                +42
                I am just a modest officer of the NM LNR, so I don’t solve such issues.

                When there is an order, we will do it in the best possible way.
                Take your time yourself, and don't rush us.
                1. oleg ekb
                  oleg ekb 19 July 2020 17: 47
                  +14
                  support
                2. Karabin
                  Karabin 19 July 2020 19: 15
                  -16
                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  I'm just a humble officer of the NM LPR,

                  And the pathos, like the commander in chief.
                  Or do what you must, or we will do it right.
                  ... I, too, want it to be "right," but there is not even a decent answer to shelling. I also don’t understand what the value of the Minsk agreements is for the LPR. For the Kremlin it is clear that the longer, neither war nor peace, the better. But for you? While maintaining the Minsk format, there is uncertainty, while executing - in Ukru.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 20 July 2020 00: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: Karabin
                    but even otvetki decent ukroobstrya no.

                    laughing Hmm ... Even if this resource is the only source, here, if you wish, you can get information on this issue. If someone does not know something, then this is exclusively his problem. True, for the majority in this case the principle “what I don’t know, I’ll think out” works.
                3. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 20 July 2020 03: 17
                  0
                  Sith Lord (Jorge) Yesterday 17:30 NEW
                  +36
                  I am just a modest officer of the NM LNR, so I don’t solve such issues.

                  When there is an order, we will do it in the best possible way.
                  Take your time yourself, and don't rush us.
                  Hello, hello! Do not swords beads in front of ukroSVINOY, they are not worth it.
                4. military_cat
                  military_cat 20 July 2020 06: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  I am just a modest officer of the NM LNR, so I don’t solve such issues.
                  If so, your original statement was inaccurate. In an updated form, it will sound like this:
                  Well come out ghouls? Either you do what you must, or we will do the right thing (if there is an order. Or maybe we won't.)
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 19 July 2020 18: 49
                -13
                Maybe Putin ask
                "Well, what, well, where?"
                ? He promised so much in 20 years.
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 19 July 2020 21: 53
                  -10
                  Quote: NordUral
                  He promised so much in 20 years.

                  Well, he promised that the bandits would be soaked in the toilet, but for now, the bandit Kadyrov was collecting tribute from the Russians.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 20 July 2020 00: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: Nagan
                    Well he promised

                    laughing laughing laughing It is more visible from the mattress, yeah. There, a redhead promised to make you happy and great again ... fellow And he did not deceive, the infection: happiness is poured into you, just right not to choke. wassat
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 20 July 2020 04: 29
                      -7
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      There, a redhead promised to make you happy and great again ...

                      Так кто ж знал, что китайцы выпустят на волю вирус. А до карантина он свои обещания держал, особенно в части экономики.
                2. Ilya Nikitich
                  Ilya Nikitich 20 July 2020 08: 07
                  0
                  And how many komunyaki have promised in 70 years. If you believe them, we have been living under communism for 40 years.
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 20 July 2020 09: 31
                    -1
                    Они, хоть и не сделали все, что обещали, но работали. А не наслаивали одни обещания на другие, как эти.
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 19 July 2020 21: 12
              -4
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Well, yes, in front of every horse-sucker, I will run like a chick on a chick and tell)))

              Comrade Lord! You should be careful with epithets. Your personality wasn’t affected in any way. If you do not want someone to show your interest in the situation, then do not pull the initiative to set fire to the intrigue. Drink colas and calm down. Behave in the framework of decency, please ... hi
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 21: 59
                +3
                Вы бы по-осторожней с эпитетами. ....а Лорду не чё осторожничать...он с первых времён бойни в Донбассе освещал события на ВО,...так что это тебе хаген стоит поугомониться.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 19 July 2020 22: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  .so this is hagen for you to calm down.

                  А у вас ко мне какие претензии? Я никого здесь хренососом не называл. Я считаю, что оскорблять собеседника подобными выражениями в рамках свободной публичной беседы не уместно. Или мы тут с цензора пример берем? Да и тыкать незнакомому человеку тоже невежливо, как минимум.
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 22: 45
                    0
                    Я никого здесь хренососом не называл......ну если ты принял пост Лорда на свой счёт то это твой головняк... у людей которые создали условия где нацыкам нет места при тяжёлых потерях гражданского населения ....топоосторожней с душёй.....унас есть душа а у нациков и их кураторов задница чи дупа (они сами так говорят), так что поосторожней
                2. Kronos
                  Kronos 19 July 2020 22: 39
                  0
                  So what ? Does this give the right to be rude?
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 22: 55
                    -2
                    Это дает право хамить ?....шота не увидел в напечатанном Лордом отношение именно к тебе...ты сам это отнёс к своему оскорблению кем то.......примерно так как пьяный -русский на авиалайнере устраивает дебош, и русский человек проходящий мимо молодых подонков которые жарят яишницу на Вечном Огне пресекает их действия........так что причисляйте пост Лорда к себе или не к себе.....а ты причислил к себе....ну вот итог...и ни какого хамства.....побудь под обстрелами. а чтосамое страшное когда твои дети находятся под обстрелами.....тлерантность отпадёт сама сабой
                    1. Kronos
                      Kronos 19 July 2020 22: 57
                      -3
                      I was under them in Donetsk live. War, I do not need nafik as long as possible?
                      1. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 23: 06
                        0
                        Я под ними был в Донецке живут.......в Донецке ЖИВУТ....кто живут.....люди или ты....понятно что война не нужна. ....и если ты реально житель Донецка то что ты сделал для сохранения памяти чести и достоинства локоматива УССР . понятное дело что НИЧЕГО....я к примеру в обороне Крыма принял участие 24-го февраля 2014 года . а ты....что сделал?
                      2. Kronos
                        Kronos 19 July 2020 23: 08
                        -3
                        At that time I was finishing university.
                      3. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 23: 16
                        +1
                        Я в это время заканчивал университет.......заканчивать университет в феврале 2014года ты по определению не мог в стране У. потому как они не работали и вообще окончание ВУЗов как правило летом, я так подозреваю что ты "ядочкрымского офицера"
                      4. Kronos
                        Kronos 19 July 2020 23: 28
                        -3
                        В это время лето 2014 года . При чем тут февраль непонятно я тогда еще учился . У меня родители старые которым мне помогать, надо ни в каких военных действия я естественно не участвовал
                      5. Ilya Nikitich
                        Ilya Nikitich 20 July 2020 08: 16
                        +1
                        Listen, you are such a straight person with a bright face. You help your parents (I suspect that your main help is so that your parents spend their pensions correctly), I graduated from university. Can you donate to a novice?
                      6. Kronos
                        Kronos 20 July 2020 10: 10
                        -1
                        Bulk liberal, I'm for the communists
                      7. Ilya Nikitich
                        Ilya Nikitich 21 July 2020 09: 10
                        0
                        Donate to Zyuganov?
                      8. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 20 July 2020 09: 45
                        +2
                        в это время лето 2014......кронос. ты по ходу всё проспал. сопротивление на юговостоке началось в феврале 2014, точнее в Крыму 24 феврвля и оказалось самым масштабным что и послужило решению об выходе с украины . а летом на Донбассе уже во всю кипела бойня
                      9. Kronos
                        Kronos 20 July 2020 10: 09
                        -1
                        Yes, I did not participate in these events, I do not argue
                3. VALERIK_097
                  VALERIK_097 19 July 2020 22: 40
                  +1
                  Vladimir, I confirm.
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 19 July 2020 21: 55
        -1
        Well, how should it be, explain?
        Let it be a surprise to you.
      3. Nick
        Nick 21 July 2020 05: 54
        0
        Quote: Glenni
        Well, how should it be, explain?

        As they should.
  4. Glennie
    Glennie 19 July 2020 16: 07
    -40
    What problems? Defend further, Ukraine wants the same.
  5. Asad
    Asad 19 July 2020 16: 09
    -25
    Kiev needs to be confirmed! Well, they won't confirm, and what next? Will they start fighting without Russia? I doubt it.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 19 July 2020 16: 47
      +29
      А зачем воевать? Отмена Минска-2 снимает все договоренности и с Л/ДНР, и с России, и с Германии с Францией. Что не сулит Киеву ничего хорошего.
      1. Asad
        Asad 19 July 2020 16: 50
        -7
        Ничего хорошего, что именно?Я без сарказма спрашиваю?
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 19 July 2020 18: 31
          +3
          Quote: ASAD
          Ничего хорошего, что именно?Я без сарказма спрашиваю?

          What are the cons? I also join the question?
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 July 2020 18: 36
          +4
          Quote: ASAD
          Ничего хорошего, что именно?Я без сарказма спрашиваю?
          Любого развития событий ... Тоже безо всякого сарказма объясняю ...
          Quote: Sergey39
          The abolition of Minsk-2 removes all agreements with L / DPR, Russia, Germany and France. Which does not bode well for Kiev.

          Everything is very clear. The only culprit will be Ukraine. And any development after that.
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 19 July 2020 18: 57
        -5
        Quote: Sergey39
        Which does not bode well for Kiev.

        And what does bad promise? Will they announce sanctions to Kiev?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 22: 09
          0
          И чего же плохого сулит? Санкции Киеву объявят?..........отрезав линию Жданов -Бердянск-Геническ ДНР восстановит границы и прощяй для кививской хунты Азов потерян
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 20 July 2020 00: 01
            -2
            Fresh lending, but it’s hard to believe, read at least a little about the situation at the front and the alignment of forces, there is nowhere without Russia, Russia itself will not send troops to Ukraine, and the LPNR barely has enough enterprises, territories and PPD to maintain existing forces.
            Well, this, since you decided to attack, if you please, into the trench, like the Lord of the Sith, and not spread your bravado from the couch.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 20 July 2020 10: 07
              0
              , извольте в окоп,......мои окопы были в феврале 2014 году на Чонгаре в составе самобра Крыма, совместными усилиями было вырыто около 200 км окопов и оборудовано до 2000 огневых точек и позиций. капониров . правда потом выяснилось что Ленинский и Феодосийский самобр наглухо окопался в районе села Стрелковое на Арабатской Стрелке и надобность в оборонительном рубеже Сиваш отпала, короче 60 километровый участок оборудовали зря......по сему когда хунта опомнилась что произошло и начала стягивать к Чонгару и Перекопу для встречи всё было готово, они так и не решились на штурм......а потом уже в марте начались известные события в Крыму.....так что не надо мне указывать в какой окоп мне лезть..
  6. Poetry
    Poetry 19 July 2020 16: 09
    +31
    In vain we stopped after Illovaisk. They gave the creeping reptile to catch its breath. Hitler kaput.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 18: 13
      +10
      Ilovaisk was just a minor operation in the global South Boiler.
      1. Pathos
        Pathos 20 July 2020 09: 51
        0
        belay фигассе мелкая операция. Вы не видели что в Иловайске творилось. Нас зажигалками засыпали кассетами все что запрещено всем долбили. Разрушали в первую очередь инфраструктуру. А рядом Харцызск 12 км. там люди бухали в кабаках как будто нихрена и небыло. А Моспино как причесали. Дебалю ваще разнесли в труху.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 20 July 2020 21: 10
          0
          C'mon, it can't be))

          You might think we were fed gingerbread in the direction of Happiness and Metalist.

          And I personally was under the cassettes. So what? Just think ...
  7. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 19 July 2020 16: 11
    +16
    Это ни есть ультиматум. Всего-навсего мнение рядового чиновника. Если будет ультиматум (при должной поддержке) - бандерлоги из Донбасса просто испарятся. А так, только сотрясание воздуха, и озабоченность от С.В. Лаврова. Но озабоченности на почитателей психопата-бандеры не действуют. Они понимают только перспективу петли на своей шее.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 16: 16
      -1
      I agree. Specially copied:

      An ultimatum is a requirement related to the limitation of the time given for its implementation, as well as the threat of serious consequences if it is not fulfilled.

      What consequences can Lugansk have for the Kiev authorities?
      And the photo on the screen saver is frankly unfortunate. As if the official did not present an ultimatum, but she was offended.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 19 July 2020 16: 49
        +4
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I agree. Specially copied:

        An ultimatum is a requirement related to the limitation of the time given for its implementation, as well as the threat of serious consequences if it is not fulfilled.

        A serious ultimatum could be presented only by Baron Munchausen. Evil tongues say that he was still Russian ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 19 July 2020 16: 59
          +12
          Quote: sabakina

          A serious ultimatum could be presented only by Baron Munchausen. Evil tongues say that he was still Russian ...

          Breshut yes But there is still some truth in this. The baron served in the Russian army, and even fought in its ranks against the Turks.

          Such a time was, it was honorable and profitable for foreigners to serve Russia ...
          Славные времена правления императрицы Екатерины II,время присоединения Крыма и обустройства Новороссии....
    2. Asad
      Asad 19 July 2020 16: 35
      +4
      I fully support, without the support of Russia, what ultimatums!
  8. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 19 July 2020 16: 17
    0
    Unfortunately, this Luhansk warning will soon surpass the last Chinese one in terms of frequency of use.
    And all due to the fact that the Kremlin pushes that liferaft called LPNR away from itself with a hook.
  9. Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 19 July 2020 16: 19
    +9
    There is zero sense from this.
    Республикам необходимо объединиться, объявить себя преемником УССР, флаг, герб и конституция имеются. Вот тогда можно будет что-то заявлять. О том, например что фашизм в Украине, о преступлениях режима и о претензиях не только на остатки областей, но и на всю территорию УССР, например на 1945-й год.
    Only this had to be done initially, and not to establish the borders between the DPR and the LPR, but to divide the power.
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 19 July 2020 16: 38
      +2
      There is Truth in your words!
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2020 17: 39
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Vasilievich
        There is zero sense from this.
        Республикам необходимо объединиться, объявить себя преемником УССР, флаг, герб и конституция имеются. Вот тогда можно будет что-то заявлять. О том, например что фашизм в Украине, о преступлениях режима и о претензиях не только на остатки областей, но и на всю территорию УССР, например на 1945-й год.
        Only this had to be done initially, and not to establish the borders between the DPR and the LPR, but to divide the power.


        Good continuation option ...
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 19 July 2020 18: 07
      +2
      I agree. And Russia, in turn, should have recognized this republic.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 19 July 2020 23: 39
        0
        Quote: Hagalaz
        I agree. And Russia, in turn, should have recognized this republic.

        They tried to unite the LPR and the DPR for a long time, but unfortunately nothing came of it. There are still borders and customs between the republics. And the officials of the republics do not want to share their power with anyone. If the policy of Little Russia had worked at one time, then it would have been much easier for Russia to help them.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 July 2020 13: 31
          +1
          Quote: Marconi41

          They tried to unite the LPR and the DPR for a long time, but unfortunately nothing came of it.

          Well, do not tell my slippers ...
          It is not serious that Russia (be it really interested in such a union) could not "bring" the DPR and LPR together ...

          Просто Москве на данный момент даже выгодно иметь два "обособленных" субъекта переговорного процесса...
    3. your1970
      your1970 20 July 2020 23: 17
      0
      Quote: Andrey Vasilievich
      The republics need to unite, declare themselves the successor of the Ukrainian SSR, there is a flag, coat of arms and a constitution. Then it will be possible to declare something. About, for example, that there is fascism in Ukraine, about the crimes of the regime and about claims not only for the remnants of the regions, but also for the entire territory of the Ukrainian SSR, for example, for 1945.

      You can declare yourself to be anyone - a matter of legal consequences. Will anyone notice these claims ...
  10. Irek
    Irek 19 July 2020 16: 34
    +5
    To negotiate with Svidomno is like writing against the wind.
  11. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 19 July 2020 17: 03
    0
    ... "demanded that Kiev, before the start of the local elections to be held in Ukraine in October of this year, decide" ...
    Well, wait, they need to consult with the "Chief" first!
    But Chef is not up to them now, he has a struggle for the presidency. wassat
  12. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 July 2020 17: 04
    +8
    Well, the official Kiev will continue to pull the cat for genetics, and continue the genocide of Donbass. It is up to the authorities of the republics to stop being so soft-skinned, and to respond to each firing of their lands with uk-robands twice as big an answer. And, it is time to start taking away the territories of the republics back, so that Mariupol will return to the DNI, and the Sea of ​​Azov will become the inland Russian sea. ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 July 2020 17: 37
      +5
      Politicians dragged on all the processes, and the people are suffering ...
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 19 July 2020 17: 39
      +1
      Today it is "easy to say" - RELEASE Sloviansk and Mariupol, and all the lands of Lugansk and Donetsk regions should be in 2014. And then, and only then, would one start "peace negotiations" on the "status of Donbass." Today first - 1) Unification of the DPR and LPR into a single Novorossiya (or simply Donbass), 2) Liberation of the occupied lands of the DPR and LPR, even by force. Peace will be after Victory! good
  13. Fungus
    Fungus 19 July 2020 17: 30
    +1
    Good ultimatum
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 July 2020 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: Fungus
      Good ultimatum


      А само главное , что больше тянуть уже не куда люди устали и хотят закончить все это , что бы жить мирно.
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 19 July 2020 17: 34
    +5
    Quote: Glenni
    Well, how should it be, explain?

    Remember the boilers and the offensive towards Mariupol. After that, the Ukrainian side was very accommodating.
  15. cniza
    cniza 19 July 2020 17: 35
    +3
    Kiev must either begin to implement the Minsk agreements or abandon them.


    That's right, but Kiev continues to look for the "fifth corner".
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 25
      0
      Поддержки ждёт.Походу ,НАТО там молчком всё готовит, ну и Министерство санкций ЕС и США тоже работают не покладая рук. Думаю. на новый год уже начнутся движения по Донбассу.
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2020 18: 45
        +2
        The United States shoves Kiev into the war with its hands and feet, but the task is to draw Russia in.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 47
          -4
          The United States has nothing to do with it. Kiev itself jumps there.
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 July 2020 18: 48
            +3
            Well, yes, only who stuffs them with weapons and trains hard?
            1. ximkim
              ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 52
              -2
              Partners help everyone bully
              1. cniza
                cniza 19 July 2020 19: 03
                +3
                Soon there must be a denouement, endlessly it cannot last ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 19 July 2020 18: 32
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Kiev must either begin to implement the Minsk agreements or abandon them.


      That's right, but Kiev continues to look for the "fifth corner".

      Indeed, why bang your head against the wall? About the corner - more efficiently!
      hi Hello Victor
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2020 18: 47
        +2
        Greetings to Gennady! hi
        This they do best, running in the corners and butting ...
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 19 July 2020 18: 54
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          Greetings to Gennady! hi
          This they do best, running in the corners and butting ...

          So in vain they were released from the corner, because it is known that a body clamped into a corner does not resist No.
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 July 2020 19: 04
            +2
            So I mean it, that we do not know, but the politicians have already played too much, it's time to decide ...
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 34
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              So I mean it, that we do not know, but the politicians have already played too much, it's time to decide ...

              It also feels like you've been sitting in the trenches ...
              1. cniza
                cniza 19 July 2020 20: 46
                +3
                And even more people just want to live under a peaceful sky ...
  16. sanya
    sanya 19 July 2020 17: 42
    -5
    If only they would not disgrace themselves with these ultimatums to the campaign, the Chinese are already laughing at 100001 Luhansk warning
  17. babylon
    babylon 19 July 2020 18: 16
    +1
    Сколько этот спектакль будет продолжаться ? какие ультиматумы? сколько их уже было этих ультиматумов за время существования минских соглашений , ультиматум должен быть один и жесткий Например для начала : «Если хотя бы один выстрел будет произведён в нашу сторону тогда республики начинают полные боевые действия по освобождению Украины »
    1. Glennie
      Glennie 19 July 2020 18: 45
      -6
      Освободитель, «Если хотя бы один выстрел будет произведён в нашу сторону, я не выйду на работу!»
      1. babylon
        babylon 19 July 2020 20: 51
        +1
        "From alarmists we are not on the way",
        And you probably never worked even shoot or not
  18. ximkim
    ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 22
    -6
    Походу. Ничего не будет меняться..Все сидят : делают заявления ,думают, готовятся.
    1. truck driver
      truck driver 19 July 2020 18: 51
      -4
      And what about the murder of a Ukrainian doctor? We have a howl that the militia basely deceived and shot a group that was going by agreement to pull out the wounded?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 19 July 2020 19: 20
        +3
        Quote: LKW Fahrer
        And what about the murder of a Ukrainian doctor? We have a howl that the militia basely deceived and shot a group that was going by agreement to pull out the wounded?

        More specific yes ,выть нужно(СЛЫШНО НЕ УБЕДИТЕЛЬНО),ибо если бы реально была ДОГОВОРЁННОСТЬ (а такие вещи происходят лишь при задействовании мисси ОБСЕ),то и миссия бы об этом бы заявила,так как её работники также угодили бы под раздачу вместе с "медиком"...

        По ВУС,он конечно медик(возможно сан-инструктор,или фельдшер),но погиб будучи задействованным в боевой операции(провокации) ВСУ...
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 20 July 2020 00: 09
          -7
          Quote: Insurgent
          oh, and the mission would have announced this, since its workers would also fall under the distribution along with the "medic" ...

          both sides shot enough medics.
          And no matter what they did, they helped civilians or the military.
          In general, after the murder of Sabina Galitskaya, there is an unlimited hunt for doctors.
          And the red cross will not save for a long time.
          Medics are also weapons. Even sometimes more successful than mines and shells.
          Here ORDLO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are diligently destroying them.
          Although both sides can be understood. The murders of their medical girls - you want to wash off with blood. Moral norms are no longer valid.
          I would not trust Silence's signals and other agreements.
          A banal experience, perhaps, has not taught it to be a common trap .... Since 2014 ..
          Only weapons can help, and any agreements end in the blood of those who commit contracts.
  19. 5-9
    5-9 19 July 2020 19: 22
    +2
    I hope that the RF IC will take every "little Urakaine" who "just brought shells" for Faberge ..... Cartago Delenda est
    ... and sprinkle with salt ...
  20. north 2
    north 2 19 July 2020 20: 35
    +5
    много загадок , кто и почему остановил ДНР И ЛНР после Иловайска .А то ,что как будь-то опасались , что если республики возьмёт Мариуполь , то Украина оставит Мариуполь без пресной воды , не убедительно.
    За то убедительно , что Путин лишь один раз заикнулся об Новороссии как об истинных землях России , и замолк ,вместо того ,чтобы вернуть хотя бы эти истинные русские земли . Как и только один раз Путин заикнулся , что развал СССР есть величайшая катастрофа , и замолк, вместо того, чтобы восстанавливать то , что разрушила эта катастрофа . Ведь Россия признала , что она есть наследницей СССР . А почему тогда Россия наследовала лишь долги СССР и их одна вернула , о вот земли и имущество и людей на территории всего СССР , наследством не признала . Что это такое ,не признать наследством не только свои истинные территории , но и оставит там не признанными наследниками и брошенными несколько миллионов русских и русскоязычных людей . Что это , признать лишь наследницей последсвтия катастрофы и ничего не делать и ни кого не спасать после этой катастрофы.Конечно и Путина , как у бывшего коммуниста слабые фаберже , что бы Россию признать не только преемницей и наследницей СССР , но и преемницей и наследницей Российской Империи , которую те же самые коммунисты и разрушили . Это можно было отразить и новых изменения в Конституции.Сталин то хоть и официально не признал СССР наследницей Российской Империи , но к 19401 году вернул фактически все территории которые были потерянные при тогдашней катастрофе -развале Империи в 1917 году.
    Что это , русские и русскоязычные в Крыму были удостоены спасения после этой величайшей катастрофы, а такие же самые люди на других истинно русских территориях до сих пор Россией брошены на произвол судьбы. И территории брошены после этой величайшей катастрофы и люди там брошены...
    If this is due to fear that Europe and especially Germany may abandon the Northern gas pipeline
    Поток -2 , то что это за торги своими территориями и своими Россией преданными людьми . Я надеюсь , что согласно новыми поправками Конституции Путин и Дума будет обязаны заняться тем , что бы восстановить то, что было разрушено во время этой величайшей катастрофе... В первую очередь надо признать ДНР и ЛНР , а если там люди увидит , что для России все на её исконных землях кто любит Россию одинаково дороги, что в Крыму что где на других её исконных землях , то и они пожелает не считаться больше брошенными а станет частью России
    1. babylon
      babylon 19 July 2020 20: 57
      +1
      Yes, dear interlocutor, there are more questions than answers,
      Но Проблема наша в том что у нас правит либерально-олигархическая система вот и она спускает все на тормоза
    2. Zorro21
      Zorro21 19 July 2020 23: 41
      +1
      Quote: north 2
      many mysteries

      To solve it, you just need to answer a trivial question - who benefits from it?
      If these decisions were beneficial to Russia, then after each of them we would see an increase in the rates of economic development. But the reality is that all actions related to the countries of the former USSR lead to a decrease in the rate of development of the country, to an increase in refugees, i.e. cheap labor and the enrichment of Russian oligarchs, whom Putin personally considers to be good managers.
    3. your1970
      your1970 20 July 2020 23: 26
      0
      Quote: north 2
      many mysteries, who and why stopped the DPR and LPR after Ilovaisk.
      -Absolutely no riddles. Normal Combat Manual...
      There are standards for the density of troops for conducting an offensive - there the density was not close to the need for either people or equipment ...
      It was because of the lack of resources and l / s that they got up ...
      If the LDNR had a couple of three divisions in full staff - there would have been another song
  21. Azis
    Azis 19 July 2020 20: 41
    +1
    Words, threats, ultimatums ... In the post-Soviet space, nothing has come to an end in 30 years, neither by diplomatic methods, nor in any other way, except for the "purchase of the Chechen elites." Conflicts have already become beneficial for the authorities and structures of all (interested) parties around them. Unless the striped hegemon urgently needs casus belli ...
  22. Stalllker
    Stalllker 19 July 2020 21: 36
    -2
    Where is the ultimatum?
  23. svoit
    svoit 19 July 2020 23: 12
    0
    Quote: north 2
    who and why stopped the DPR and LPR after Ilovaisk

    At that time, it was quite possible to liberate the territories of at least the DPR and LPR without a fight, but the negotiators merged everything.
  24. Cristall
    Cristall 20 July 2020 00: 14
    -5
    Somehow a representative of the LPR contradicts herself
    Demanding the implementation of the MC and emphasizing their struggle for independence.
    According to MS 2, this is ORDLO. Part of Ukraine, with status. What kind of independence?
    So they want to go to Ukraine or what? They demand from Kiev to quickly take it into its structure.
    This is the struggle for independence ...
  25. Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 20 July 2020 00: 54
    0
    What a strange ultimatum. It is generally accepted that the ultimatum contains the words: If ... - then .... And then some ... or .. This is not an ultimatum, this is a proposal to make a choice. I want to scratch my left heel, I want my right, but I want to scratch nothing at all. I don't want to, that's all.
  26. Li17
    Li17 20 July 2020 05: 40
    0
    Quote: Dmitry10SPb
    The military confrontation will continue. Russia will receive a new package of sanctions.

    As for the sanctions ..... The sanctions appeared when we became an independent power. You can not only find a reason for this, but also come up with, by the way, as for the war too! The sanctions will be lifted if we only become a colony. And just about how we "suffer" from the sanctions such colonies and suffer!
  27. Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 20 July 2020 15: 05
    0
    Sucks, of course, it turns out. At the highest level, recently, it was explained in the Russian Federation that Donetsk and Lugansk are the territory of Ukraine, everything that happens is the internal affair of Ukraine, etc. This is not how things are done. But what about people from the DPR and LPR ????? People are not a bargaining chip, but someone cynical and vile, apparently, thinks differently ...
  28. Andrei Alexandrovich
    Andrei Alexandrovich 21 July 2020 10: 46
    0
    Honestly, I do not see an ultimatum here ... But Kiev will not fulfill these requirements of Lugansk, and - what?
    What will happen next?
    1. Kuzmitsky
      Kuzmitsky 22 July 2020 16: 47
      +1
      There are many options further. True, it is not a fact that at least one of them is implementing Lugansk.

      For example, since the opponents chronically fail to comply with the Minsk Agreements, send them in the forest and declare the agreements invalid. And to finish these toys about the reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine. Perhaps even declare their desire to "return to their native harbor," as Crimea once did.

      Almost everyone understands that Donbass will not return to Ukraine in the coming decades, or even never, and Kiev does not need it, it will not "digest" it. So why then fence the garden and arrange this unnecessary fuss with human victims?

      Although, in general, all this resembles the 501st Chinese warning.
  29. Jaromir
    Jaromir 21 July 2020 15: 30
    -1
    Rzhu-nimagu ... like children, or a slight intellectual discomfort.
    Laugh in the face again.
    Play on.