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Lugansk presented an ultimatum to Ukraine

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Kiev must either begin to implement the Minsk agreements or abandon them. This opinion was expressed by Olga Kobtseva, a representative of the Lugansk People's Republic in the humanitarian subgroup of the Trilateral Contact Group in Minsk.


This is reported by the Lugansk network edition luga1news.

Kobtseva also stated that Lugansk presented an ultimatum to the Ukrainian side in recent talks in Minsk. Lugansk demanded that Kiev, before the start of the local elections to be held in Ukraine in October this year, decide whether it intends to follow the path of a peaceful settlement, or announce its withdrawal from the Minsk agreements:

In the Minsk negotiation process, we informed the Ukrainian representatives that they should take a step before the election: either they are taking the step of a peaceful settlement, or they are announcing that they are withdrawing from the Minsk agreements.

Kiev needs to confirm this choice with an appropriate political decision. And if Kiev withdraws from the Minsk agreements, the Minsk agreements themselves cease to exist accordingly.

Kobtseva also recalled that from the first day of its existence, the Lugansk People's Republic has been defending its interests, freedom and independence.

Earlier, the assistant to the Minister of Internal Affairs of the LPR Vitaliy Kiselev, referring to the data of Olga Kobtseva, said that 1609 civilians of the republic died during the years of the armed aggression of Ukraine against the LPR.
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 16: 00 New
    28
    Well, right. How much can you endure?
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 19 July 2020 21: 35 New
      -1
      What is right? What is the ultimatum itself ???
  2. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 July 2020 16: 00 New
    28
    It is high time to end this circus.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 19 July 2020 16: 15 New
      18
      In the Minsk negotiation process, we informed the Ukrainian representatives that they should take a step before the election: either they are taking the step of a peaceful settlement, or they are announcing that they are withdrawing from the Minsk agreements.

      Well, this is only part of the ultimatum requirement. The second part should contain the actions of the LPR and DPR in case of refusal of the official Kiev yes .

      As for the mention of the so-called "elections", it seems that Kiev has ALREADY stated that it does not intend to hold such ...
      ====================================================================== ================
      The Verkhovna Rada explained why it is irrational to hold elections in Donbass
      KYIV, 19 July 2020, 12:46 - REGNUM

      Elections in the Ukrainian-occupied parts of the LPR and DPR (the so-called Kiev-controlled territories) are irrational to hold until “Russian troops” leave the DPR and LPR and the border of Ukraine becomes “what it should be,” said the Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Elena Kondratyuk (Batkivshchyna faction) in an interview with Radio Liberty (media-foreign agent), published on 18 July.

      “We believe that while there is a division of this territory - Luhansk and Donetsk regions (LPR and DPR - IA REGNUM) ... while ... civil, military administrations are working now, elections are now even in the controlled (occupied by Kiev part of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics - IA REGNUM) ... it is impossible to carry out. Until the security issue is put in order, until the Russian troops withdraw and our border line is not what it should be, there is simply no rationality to hold elections there ”


      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3013951.html
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
      1. bar
        bar 19 July 2020 18: 12 New
        +7
        Well, this is only part of the ultimatum requirement. The second part should contain the actions of the LPR and DPR in case of refusal of the official Kiev

        In the second part, Russia must stop wrinkling its boobs and recognize the independence of the DPR / LPR. After Ukraine leaves the Minsk agreements, this will be the only option for ending the conflict.
        1. Dmitry10SPb
          Dmitry10SPb 20 July 2020 01: 59 New
          0
          The meaning of this action? Such recognition will not restore the economy of Donbass. The living standards of the locals will not raise. Military confrontation will continue. Russia will receive a new package of sanctions.
          And then, Ukraine does not withdraw from the Minsk agreements. Why on earth? Does not execute, but does not exit.
          1. bar
            bar 20 July 2020 08: 15 New
            +2
            The military confrontation will continue. Russia will receive a new package of sanctions.

            This is what is needed to put an end to this military confrontation. Having recognized the DPR / LPR as independent states, and not the territory of Ukraine, it will be possible, at the request of these states, to legally send troops there to protect their sovereignty. As for the sanctions, they will be all the same, not about this, but about another. Striped ones with reins don't bother.

            And then, Ukraine does not withdraw from the Minsk agreements. Why on earth? Does not execute, but does not exit.

            That is why it does not come out because he understands everything. There may be ... (gnawed by censorship), but not fools. I think that the termination of the Minsk agreements due to the fault of Ukraine will be announced at the next meeting of the Normandy group. The ultimatum to Zelensky has already been rolled out, it cannot drag on endlessly. This will untie our hands.

            Such recognition will not restore the economy of Donbass. The standard of living of the locals will not raise.

            As for the economy, Donbass itself should raise it. On a plate with a rim, no one will bring it, the times are not the same, we have already spent a lot in the Crimea. Normal legal trade relations will be established, if only with Russia, and the economy will be able to improve.
          2. Alexfu
            Alexfu 21 July 2020 05: 52 New
            0
            The standard of living in the industrial regions of Ukraine ... and what is the standard of living in Ukraine itself? Donbass is an industrial area, not a subsidized one. And the Ukrainian economy is based on the "honest" word of the United States.
            1. mehan
              mehan 21 July 2020 13: 09 New
              0
              What part of Donbass are you talking about now? Which, industrial and not subsidized?
      2. atalef
        atalef 19 July 2020 18: 49 New
        -26
        Quote: Insurgent
        Well, this is only part of the ultimate requirement.

        in fact, there you are scattered on the third day ultimati.
        Quote: Andrey Vasilievich
        The republics need to unite, declare themselves the successor of the Ukrainian SSR, the flag, coat of arms and constitution are

        and the village of Gadyukino, declare himself a separate state, declare war on Luxembourg and immediately surrender.

        Quote: cniza
        That's right, but Kiev continues to look for a "fifth corner".

        and what is it expressed in?
        1. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 19 July 2020 20: 04 New
          +9
          look at your gadyushnik, I haven't even given up for a long time, but sold out! Bandera !!
          1. Cristall
            Cristall 20 July 2020 00: 00 New
            -14
            Quote: Local from the Volga
            look at your gadyushnik, I haven't even given up for a long time, but sold out! Bandera !!

            His "gadyushnik" is much more successful than our two combined. laughing
            Israel is much more successful for people than Ukraine / RF.
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 20 July 2020 03: 14 New
            +3
            Local from the Volga (Local) Yesterday, 20:04 NEW
            +1
            look at your gadyushnik, I haven't even given up for a long time, but sold out! Bandera !!
            This stink comes from Israel. angry
        2. boss
          boss 20 July 2020 22: 46 New
          +1
          At least in how the population of Ukraine has decreased.
          The fact that the country is under external control, which is clearly confirmed by the published records from the "derkach" tapes.
          In a rapidly growing external debt.
          The fact that Ukrainian officials constantly complain that Russia belittles them, seizes and attacks and constantly whines, they ask for help, and financially.
          The fact is that the population was once again deceived with a clown prezik, who swore, swore to stop the war in a month, but lied.
          In the fact that for Ukraine, even as a welcome and beggar woman in Europe, not a fifth, no corner and place was found and about any entry into the European Union, even remotely - hypothetical, even speech is not conducted in the most optimistic dreams.
          This is not enough?
          I can continue ....
    2. dauria
      dauria 19 July 2020 23: 24 New
      -4
      It is high time to end this circus.


      In the 14th, although he was perplexed, he hoped. They say that there is a cunning plan to return the entire Ukraine as a whole, that the "strategists" in the Kremlin know better. 6 years have passed. And it turned out, there was no plan, but selfish interests, money and real estate over the hill were above all. And all the loud statements “We will not allow it, let them only dare”, did riding on armored personnel carriers along the border turn out to be what? It is a pity for the peasants, they went to their land and did not wait for help from their own Russians. Oh, Putin .. for whom do you work with our oligarchs there? Doorman at the door? Or do you really know something that we are gray and not supposed to know?
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 20 July 2020 00: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        what are we gray and not supposed to know?.

        The trouble with many grays is that even if they find out something, they cannot comprehend, yeah. But at the same time they think out what they don't know. The circle is closed. yes
  3. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 16: 02 New
    51
    As a resident of Lugansk, it's nice to hear this))
    Well what a ghouls? Or do what you must, or we will do it right.
    1. Glenni
      Glenni 19 July 2020 16: 08 New
      -39
      Well, how should it be, explain?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 16: 48 New
        25
        See how it should be))
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 19 July 2020 16: 54 New
          -36
          Just like in the past, that is, neither how
          1. The comment was deleted.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 19 July 2020 17: 22 New
              -30
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Smile, clowns, pour yourself cola and calm down))
              Name then at least the date when it will be possible to start asking "well, what, well, where?" Or will it be like the eternal expectation of a second coming?
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 17: 30 New
                42
                I am just a modest officer of the NM LNR, so I don’t solve such issues.

                When there is an order, we will do it in the best possible way.
                Take your time yourself, and don't rush us.
                1. oleg ekb
                  oleg ekb 19 July 2020 17: 47 New
                  14
                  support
                2. Karabin
                  Karabin 19 July 2020 19: 15 New
                  -16
                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  I'm just a humble officer of the NM LPR,

                  And the pathos, like the commander in chief.
                  Or do what you must, or we will do it right.
                  . I, too, want it to be "right", but there is not even a decent answer to shelling. I also do not understand what is the value of the Minsk agreements for the LPNR. For the Kremlin, it is clear that the longer, neither war nor peace, the better. But for you? While maintaining the Minsk format, there is uncertainty, while performing - in Ukru.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 20 July 2020 00: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Karabin
                    but even otvetki decent ukroobstrya no.

                    laughing Hmm ... Even if this resource is the only source, here, if you wish, you can get information on this issue. If someone does not know something, then this is exclusively his problem. True, for the majority in this case the principle “what I don’t know, I’ll think out” works.
                3. aszzz888
                  aszzz888 20 July 2020 03: 17 New
                  0
                  Sith Lord (Jorge) Yesterday 17:30 NEW
                  36
                  I am just a modest officer of the NM LNR, so I don’t solve such issues.

                  When there is an order, we will do it in the best possible way.
                  Take your time yourself, and don't rush us.
                  Hello, hello! Do not swords beads in front of ukroSVINOY, they are not worth it.
                4. military_cat
                  military_cat 20 July 2020 06: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: Lord of the Sith
                  I am just a modest officer of the NM LNR, so I don’t solve such issues.
                  If so, your original statement was inaccurate. In an updated form, it will sound like this:
                  Well come out ghouls? Either you do what you must, or we will do the right thing (if there is an order. Or maybe we won't.)
              2. NordUral
                NordUral 19 July 2020 18: 49 New
                -13
                Maybe Putin ask
                "Well, well, where?"
                ? He promised so much in 20 years.
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 19 July 2020 21: 53 New
                  -10
                  Quote: NordUral
                  He promised so much in 20 years.

                  Well, he promised that the bandits would be soaked in the toilet, but for now, the bandit Kadyrov was collecting tribute from the Russians.
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 20 July 2020 00: 59 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Nagan
                    Well he promised

                    laughing laughing laughing It is more visible from the mattress, yeah. There, a redhead promised to make you happy and great again ... fellow And he did not deceive, the infection: happiness is poured into you, just right not to choke. wassat
                    1. Revolver
                      Revolver 20 July 2020 04: 29 New
                      -7
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      There, a redhead promised to make you happy and great again ...

                      So who knew that the Chinese would release the virus. And before the quarantine, he kept his promises, especially in terms of the economy.
                2. Ilya Nikitich
                  Ilya Nikitich 20 July 2020 08: 07 New
                  0
                  And how many komunyaki have promised in 70 years. If you believe them, we have been living under communism for 40 years.
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 20 July 2020 09: 31 New
                    -1
                    Although they did not do everything they promised, they worked. And they did not lay some promises on others, like these.
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 19 July 2020 21: 12 New
              -4
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Well, yes, in front of every horse-sucker, I will run like a chick on a chick and tell)))

              Comrade Lord! You should be careful with epithets. Your personality wasn’t affected in any way. If you do not want someone to show your interest in the situation, then do not pull the initiative to set fire to the intrigue. Drink colas and calm down. Behave in the framework of decency, please ... hi
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 21: 59 New
                +3
                You should be careful with epithets. .... and the Lord has nothing to be cautious about ... from the first days of the massacre in Donbass he covered the events in the VO, ... so you should be calm about the hagen.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 19 July 2020 22: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  .so this is hagen for you to calm down.

                  What are your complaints against me? I didn’t call anyone here hrenosos. I believe that it is not appropriate to insult the interlocutor with such expressions within the framework of a free public conversation. Or are we taking an example from the censor? And to poke a stranger is also impolite, at least.
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 22: 45 New
                    0
                    I didn’t call anyone here hrenosos ...... well, if you accepted the post of Lord at your own expense, then this is your headache ... for people who created conditions where there is no place for natsyam with heavy civilian casualties .... be careful with your soul. .... we have a soul and the Nazis and their curators have an ass chi dupa (they say so themselves), so be careful
                2. Kronos
                  Kronos 19 July 2020 22: 39 New
                  0
                  So what ? Does this give the right to be rude?
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 22: 55 New
                    -2
                    Does this give you the right to be rude? a Russian man passing by young scum who fry fried eggs in the Eternal Flame suppresses their actions ........ so rank the Lord's post to yourself or not to yourself ..... and you ranked yourself .... well the result ... and not any rudeness ..... stay under fire. and what is most terrible when your children are under fire ..... the tolerance will disappear itself
                    1. Kronos
                      Kronos 19 July 2020 22: 57 New
                      -3
                      I was under them in Donetsk live. War, I do not need nafik as long as possible?
                      1. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 23: 06 New
                        0
                        I was under them in Donetsk live ....... in Donetsk LIVE .... who live ..... people or you .... it is clear that war is not needed. .... and if you are a real resident of Donetsk, what did you do to preserve the memory of honor and dignity of the Ukrainian SSR locomotive. it is clear that NOTHING .... I, for example, took part in the defense of the Crimea on February 24, 2014. and you .... what did you do?
                      2. Kronos
                        Kronos 19 July 2020 23: 08 New
                        -3
                        At that time I was finishing university.
                      3. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 23: 16 New
                        +1
                        At that time I was graduating from the university ....... to graduate from the university in February 2014, by definition, you could not in the country of U. because they did not work and generally graduating from universities, as a rule, in the summer, I suspect that you are a "Yadochkrymsk officer"
                      4. Kronos
                        Kronos 19 July 2020 23: 28 New
                        -3
                        At this time, the summer of 2014. What does February have to do with it, I was still studying then. I have old parents whom I need to help me, I naturally did not participate in any military actions
                      5. Ilya Nikitich
                        Ilya Nikitich 20 July 2020 08: 16 New
                        +1
                        Listen, you are such a straight person with a bright face. You help your parents (I suspect that your main help is so that your parents spend their pensions correctly), I graduated from university. Can you donate to a novice?
                      6. Kronos
                        Kronos 20 July 2020 10: 10 New
                        -1
                        Bulk liberal, I'm for the communists
                      7. Ilya Nikitich
                        Ilya Nikitich 21 July 2020 09: 10 New
                        0
                        Donate to Zyuganov?
                  2. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 20 July 2020 09: 45 New
                    +2
                    at this time summer 2014 ...... kronos. you slept along the way. resistance in the southeast began in February 2014, more precisely in the Crimea on February 24 and turned out to be the largest, which served as the decision to leave Ukraine. and in the summer in the Donbass the carnage was in full swing
                  3. Kronos
                    Kronos 20 July 2020 10: 09 New
                    -1
                    Yes, I did not participate in these events, I do not argue
  4. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 19 July 2020 22: 40 New
    +1
    Vladimir, I confirm.
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 19 July 2020 21: 55 New
    -1
    Well, how should it be, explain?
    Let it be a surprise to you.
  • Nick
    Nick 21 July 2020 05: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Glenni
    Well, how should it be, explain?

    As they should.
  • Glenni
    Glenni 19 July 2020 16: 07 New
    -40
    What problems? Defend further, Ukraine wants the same.
  • Asad
    Asad 19 July 2020 16: 09 New
    -25
    Kiev needs to be confirmed! Well, they won't confirm, and what next? Will they start fighting without Russia? I doubt it.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 19 July 2020 16: 47 New
      29
      Why fight? The cancellation of Minsk-2 removes all agreements with the LPR / LPR, and with Russia, and with Germany and France. Which does not bode well for Kiev.
      1. Asad
        Asad 19 July 2020 16: 50 New
        -7
        Nothing good, exactly what? Am I asking without sarcasm?
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 19 July 2020 18: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: ASAD
          Nothing good, exactly what? Am I asking without sarcasm?

          What are the cons? I also join the question?
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 July 2020 18: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: ASAD
          Nothing good, exactly what? Am I asking without sarcasm?
          Any development ... Also without any sarcasm I explain ...
          Quote: Sergey39
          The abolition of Minsk-2 removes all agreements with L / DPR, Russia, Germany and France. Which does not bode well for Kiev.

          Everything is very clear. The only culprit will be Ukraine. And any development after that.
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 19 July 2020 18: 57 New
        -5
        Quote: Sergey39
        Which does not bode well for Kiev.

        And what does bad promise? Will they announce sanctions to Kiev?
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 22: 09 New
          0
          And what does bad promise? Will they announce sanctions to Kiev? .......... cutting off the Zhdanov-Berdyansk-Genichesk DNR line will restore borders and forgive for the Kiviv junta Azov is lost
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 20 July 2020 00: 01 New
            -2
            Fresh lending, but it’s hard to believe, read at least a little about the situation at the front and the alignment of forces, there is nowhere without Russia, Russia itself will not send troops to Ukraine, and the LPNR barely has enough enterprises, territories and PPD to maintain existing forces.
            Well, this, since you decided to attack, if you please, into the trench, like the Lord of the Sith, and not spread your bravado from the couch.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 20 July 2020 10: 07 New
              0
              , if you please, into the trench, ...... my trenches were in February 2014 on Chongar as part of the Crimean samobra, about 200 km of trenches were dug by joint efforts and up to 2000 firing points and positions were equipped. caponiers. though later it turned out that the Leninsky and Feodosiya samobr had dug in tightly in the area of ​​the Strelkovoye village on the Arabat Strelka and the need for the Sivash defensive line disappeared, in short, the 60-kilometer section was equipped in vain ... therefore, when the junta came to its senses what had happened and began to pull to Chongar and I was ready to dig for a meeting, they did not dare to storm ... and then in March, the well-known events began in Crimea ... so I don't need to tell me which trench to climb ...
  • Poetry
    Poetry 19 July 2020 16: 09 New
    31
    In vain we stopped after Illovaisk. They gave the creeping reptile to catch its breath. Hitler kaput.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 18: 13 New
      10
      Ilovaisk was just a minor operation in the global South Boiler.
      1. Pathos
        Pathos 20 July 2020 09: 51 New
        0
        belay figassa is a small operation. You did not see what was happening in Ilovaisk. We were bombarded with lighters with cassettes of everything that is forbidden. First of all, they destroyed the infrastructure. And near Khartsyzsk 12 km. there people thumped in taverns as if they were fucking awkward. And how Mospino was combed. Debalu finally smashed to dust.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 20 July 2020 21: 10 New
          0
          C'mon, it can't be))

          You might think we were fed gingerbread in the direction of Happiness and Metalist.

          And I personally was under the cassettes. So what? Just think ...
  • Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 19 July 2020 16: 11 New
    16
    This is not an ultimatum. Just the opinion of an ordinary official. If there is an ultimatum (with proper support), the Banderlog from Donbass will simply evaporate. And so, only a shaking of air, and concern from S.V. Lavrov. But the concerns of the admirers of the psychopath-Bandera do not work. They only understand the perspective of the noose on their neck.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2020 16: 16 New
      -1
      I agree. Specially copied:

      An ultimatum is a requirement related to the limitation of the time given for its implementation, as well as the threat of serious consequences if it is not fulfilled.

      What consequences can Lugansk have for the Kiev authorities?
      And the photo on the screen saver is frankly unfortunate. As if the official did not present an ultimatum, but she was offended.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 19 July 2020 16: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        I agree. Specially copied:

        An ultimatum is a requirement related to the limitation of the time given for its implementation, as well as the threat of serious consequences if it is not fulfilled.

        A serious ultimatum could be presented only by Baron Munchausen. Evil tongues say that he was still Russian ...
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 19 July 2020 16: 59 New
          12
          Quote: sabakina

          A serious ultimatum could be presented only by Baron Munchausen. Evil tongues say that he was still Russian ...

          Breshut yes But there is still some truth in this. The baron served in the Russian army, and even fought in its ranks against the Turks.

          Such a time was, it was honorable and profitable for foreigners to serve Russia ...
          The glorious times of the reign of Empress Catherine II, the time of the annexation of the Crimea and the arrangement of New Russia ...
    2. Asad
      Asad 19 July 2020 16: 35 New
      +4
      I fully support, without the support of Russia, what ultimatums!
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 July 2020 16: 17 New
    0
    Unfortunately, this Luhansk warning will soon surpass the last Chinese one in terms of frequency of use.
    And all due to the fact that the Kremlin pushes that liferaft called LPNR away from itself with a hook.
  • Andrey Vasilievich
    Andrey Vasilievich 19 July 2020 16: 19 New
    +9
    There is zero sense from this.
    The republics need to unite, declare themselves the successor of the Ukrainian SSR, there is a flag, coat of arms and a constitution. Then it will be possible to declare something. About, for example, that there is fascism in Ukraine, about the crimes of the regime and about claims not only for the remnants of the regions, but also for the entire territory of the Ukrainian SSR, for example, for 1945.
    Only this had to be done initially, and not to establish the borders between the DPR and the LPR, but to divide the power.
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 19 July 2020 16: 38 New
      +2
      There is Truth in your words!
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2020 17: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Vasilievich
        There is zero sense from this.
        The republics need to unite, declare themselves the successor of the Ukrainian SSR, there is a flag, coat of arms and a constitution. Then it will be possible to declare something. About, for example, that there is fascism in Ukraine, about the crimes of the regime and about claims not only for the remnants of the regions, but also for the entire territory of the Ukrainian SSR, for example, for 1945.
        Only this had to be done initially, and not to establish the borders between the DPR and the LPR, but to divide the power.


        Good continuation option ...
    2. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 19 July 2020 18: 07 New
      +2
      I agree. And Russia, in turn, should have recognized this republic.
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 19 July 2020 23: 39 New
        0
        Quote: Hagalaz
        I agree. And Russia, in turn, should have recognized this republic.

        They tried to unite the LPR and the DPR for a long time, but unfortunately nothing came of it. There are still borders and customs between the republics. And the officials of the republics do not want to share their power with anyone. If the policy of Little Russia had worked at one time, then it would have been much easier for Russia to help them.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 July 2020 13: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Marconi41

          They tried to unite the LPR and the DPR for a long time, but unfortunately nothing came of it.

          Well, do not tell my slippers ...
          It’s not serious, so that Russia (if it was really interested in such an association) couldn’t “bring together” the DPR and LPR together ...

          It's just that at the moment it is even profitable for Moscow to have two "separate" subjects of the negotiation process ...
    3. your1970
      your1970 20 July 2020 23: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Vasilievich
      The republics need to unite, declare themselves the successor of the Ukrainian SSR, there is a flag, coat of arms and a constitution. Then it will be possible to declare something. About, for example, that there is fascism in Ukraine, about the crimes of the regime and about claims not only for the remnants of the regions, but also for the entire territory of the Ukrainian SSR, for example, for 1945.

      You can declare yourself to be anyone - a matter of legal consequences. Will anyone notice these claims ...
  • Irek
    Irek 19 July 2020 16: 34 New
    +5
    To negotiate with Svidomno is like writing against the wind.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 19 July 2020 17: 03 New
    0
    ... "demanded that Kiev, before the local elections to be held in Ukraine in October this year, decide" ...
    Well, wait, they need to consult with the "Chief" first!
    But Chef is not up to them now, he has a struggle for the presidency. wassat
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 July 2020 17: 04 New
    +8
    Well, the official Kiev will continue to pull the cat for genetics, and continue the genocide of Donbass. It is up to the authorities of the republics to stop being so soft-skinned, and to respond to each firing of their lands with uk-robands twice as big an answer. And, it is time to start taking away the territories of the republics back, so that Mariupol will return to the DNI, and the Sea of ​​Azov will become the inland Russian sea. ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 July 2020 17: 37 New
      +5
      Politicians dragged on all the processes, and the people are suffering ...
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 19 July 2020 17: 39 New
      +1
      Today it is "easy to say" - RELEASE Sloviansk and Mariupol, and all the lands of Lugansk and Donetsk regions should be in 2014. And then and only then begin "peace talks" on the "status of Donbass." Today first - 1) Unification of the DPR and LPR into a single Novorossiya (or simply Donbass), 2) Liberation of the occupied lands of the DPR and LPR, even by force. Peace will be after the Victory! good
  • Fungus
    Fungus 19 July 2020 17: 30 New
    +1
    Good ultimatum
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 July 2020 17: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Fungus
      Good ultimatum


      And the most important thing is that there is no longer where people are tired of pulling and want to finish all this in order to live peacefully.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 19 July 2020 17: 34 New
    +5
    Quote: Glenni
    Well, how should it be, explain?

    Remember the boilers and the offensive towards Mariupol. After that, the Ukrainian side was very accommodating.
  • cniza
    cniza 19 July 2020 17: 35 New
    +3
    Kiev must either begin to implement the Minsk agreements or abandon them.


    That's right, but Kiev continues to look for a "fifth corner".
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 25 New
      0
      He is waiting for support. On the way, NATO is silently preparing everything, and the EU and US Ministry of Sanctions are also working tirelessly. I think so. for the new year, movements in the Donbass will already begin.
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2020 18: 45 New
        +2
        The United States shoves Kiev into the war with its hands and feet, but the task is to draw Russia in.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 47 New
          -4
          The United States has nothing to do with it. Kiev itself jumps there.
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 July 2020 18: 48 New
            +3
            Well, yes, only who stuffs them with weapons and trains hard?
            1. ximkim
              ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 52 New
              -2
              Partners help everyone bully
              1. cniza
                cniza 19 July 2020 19: 03 New
                +3
                Soon there must be a denouement, endlessly it cannot last ...
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 19 July 2020 18: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Kiev must either begin to implement the Minsk agreements or abandon them.


      That's right, but Kiev continues to look for a "fifth corner".

      Indeed, why bang your head against the wall? About the corner - more efficiently!
      hi Hello Victor
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 July 2020 18: 47 New
        +2
        Greetings to Gennady! hi
        This they do best, running in the corners and butting ...
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 19 July 2020 18: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          Greetings to Gennady! hi
          This they do best, running in the corners and butting ...

          So in vain they were released from the corner, because it is known that a body clamped into a corner does not resist no
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 July 2020 19: 04 New
            +2
            So I mean it, that we do not know, but the politicians have already played too much, it's time to decide ...
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 19 July 2020 19: 34 New
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              So I mean it, that we do not know, but the politicians have already played too much, it's time to decide ...

              It also feels like you've been sitting in the trenches ...
              1. cniza
                cniza 19 July 2020 20: 46 New
                +3
                And even more people just want to live under a peaceful sky ...
  • sanya
    sanya 19 July 2020 17: 42 New
    -5
    If only they would not disgrace themselves with these ultimatums to the campaign, the Chinese are already laughing at 100001 Luhansk warning
  • vavilon
    vavilon 19 July 2020 18: 16 New
    +1
    How long will this performance last? what ultimatums? how many of these ultimatums have already been during the existence of the Minsk agreements, the ultimatum should be one and tough For example, to begin with: "If at least one shot is fired in our direction, then the republics begin full hostilities to liberate Ukraine"
    1. Glenni
      Glenni 19 July 2020 18: 45 New
      -6
      Liberator, “If at least one shot is fired in our direction, I won’t go to work!”
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 19 July 2020 20: 51 New
        +1
        "From alarmists we are not on the way",
        And you probably never worked even shoot or not
  • ximkim
    ximkim 19 July 2020 18: 22 New
    -6
    To the campaign. Nothing will change .. Everyone is sitting: making statements, thinking, preparing.
    1. truck driver
      truck driver 19 July 2020 18: 51 New
      -4
      And what about the murder of a Ukrainian doctor? We have a howl that the militia basely deceived and shot a group that was going by agreement to pull out the wounded?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 19 July 2020 19: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: LKW Fahrer
        And what about the murder of a Ukrainian doctor? We have a howl that the militia basely deceived and shot a group that was going by agreement to pull out the wounded?

        More specific yes , you need to howl (HEARING NOT CONVINCING), because if there really was an AGREEMENT (and such things happen only when the OSCE mission is involved), then the mission would have announced this, since its employees would also fall under the distribution along with the "medic" ...

        According to the VUS, he is of course a physician (possibly a san instructor, or a medical assistant), but he died while being involved in a military operation (provocation) of the Armed Forces ...
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 20 July 2020 00: 09 New
          -7
          Quote: Insurgent
          oh, and the mission would have announced this, since its workers would also fall under the distribution along with the "medic" ...

          both sides shot enough medics.
          And no matter what they did, they helped civilians or the military.
          In general, after the murder of Sabina Galitskaya, there is an unlimited hunt for doctors.
          And the red cross will not save for a long time.
          Medics are also weapons. Even sometimes more successful than mines and shells.
          Here ORDLO and the Armed Forces of Ukraine are diligently destroying them.
          Although both sides can be understood. The murders of their medical girls - you want to wash off with blood. Moral norms are no longer valid.
          I would not trust Silence's signals and other agreements.
          A banal experience, perhaps, has not taught it to be a common trap .... Since 2014 ..
          Only weapons can help, and any agreements end in the blood of those who commit contracts.
  • 5-9
    5-9 19 July 2020 19: 22 New
    +2
    I hope that the RF IC will take every "little urakaine" who "just brought shells" for Faberge ..... Cartago Delenda est
    ... and sprinkle with salt ...
  • north 2
    north 2 19 July 2020 20: 35 New
    +5
    There are many mysteries about who and why stopped the DPR and LPR after Ilovaisk. And the fact that it was feared that if the republics were taken by Mariupol, then Ukraine would leave Mariupol without fresh water, is not convincing.
    For it is convincing that Putin only once gave a hint about Novorossiya as the true lands of Russia, and fell silent, instead of returning at least these true Russian lands. As well as once, Putin hinted that the collapse of the USSR was the greatest catastrophe, and fell silent, instead of restoring what this catastrophe destroyed. After all, Russia has recognized that it is the heir to the USSR. And why then Russia inherited only the debts of the USSR and returned them alone, oh, land and property and people on the territory of the entire USSR, did not recognize it as an inheritance. What is it, not only not to recognize your true territories as an inheritance, but also to leave several million Russian and Russian-speaking people there as unrecognized heirs and abandoned. What is it, to recognize only the heir to the aftermath of the catastrophe and do nothing and save no one after this catastrophe. which the same communists destroyed. This could be reflected in the new changes in the Constitution. Although Stalin did not officially recognize the USSR as the heir to the Russian Empire, by 19401 he returned virtually all the territories that had been lost during the then catastrophe - the collapse of the Empire in 1917.
    What is it, Russians and Russian-speakers in Crimea were awarded salvation after this greatest disaster, and the same people in other truly Russian territories are still abandoned by Russia to their fate. And the territories were abandoned after this greatest catastrophe and people were abandoned there ...
    If this is due to fear that Europe and especially Germany may abandon the Northern gas pipeline
    Stream -2, then what kind of bargaining with their territories and their loyal people Russia. I hope that, according to the new amendments to the Constitution, Putin and the Duma will be obliged to do something to restore what was destroyed during this greatest catastrophe ... First of all, the DPR and LPR must be recognized, and if people there see that for Russia everyone on her ancestral lands who love Russia is equally dear, that in the Crimea what is where on her other ancestral lands, they will wish not to be considered abandoned anymore but will become part of Russia
    1. vavilon
      vavilon 19 July 2020 20: 57 New
      +1
      Yes, dear interlocutor, there are more questions than answers,
      But our problem is that we are ruled by a liberal-oligarchic system, and so it puts everything on the brakes
    2. Zorro21
      Zorro21 19 July 2020 23: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: North 2
      many mysteries

      To solve it, you just need to answer a trivial question - who benefits from it?
      If these decisions were beneficial to Russia, then after each of them we would see an increase in the rates of economic development. But the reality is that all actions related to the countries of the former USSR lead to a decrease in the rate of development of the country, to an increase in refugees, i.e. cheap labor and the enrichment of Russian oligarchs, whom Putin personally considers to be good managers.
    3. your1970
      your1970 20 July 2020 23: 26 New
      0
      Quote: North 2
      many mysteries, who and why stopped the DPR and LPR after Ilovaisk.
      -Absolutely no riddles. Normal Combat Manual....
      There are standards for the density of troops for conducting an offensive - there the density was not close to the need for either people or equipment ...
      It was because of the lack of resources and l / s that they got up ...
      If the LDNR had a couple of three divisions in full staff - there would have been another song
  • Azis
    Azis 19 July 2020 20: 41 New
    +1
    Words, threats, ultimatums ... In the post-Soviet space, nothing has come to an end in 30 years, neither by diplomatic methods, nor in any other way, except for the "purchase of the Chechen elites." Conflicts have already become beneficial for the authorities and around them the structures of all (interested) parties. Only if casus belli the striped hegemon is not urgently needed ...
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 19 July 2020 21: 36 New
    -2
    Where is the ultimatum?
  • svoit
    svoit 19 July 2020 23: 12 New
    0
    Quote: North 2
    who and why stopped the DPR and LPR after Ilovaisk

    At that time, it was quite possible to liberate the territories of at least the DPR and LPR without a fight, but the negotiators merged everything.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 20 July 2020 00: 14 New
    -5
    Somehow a representative of the LPR contradicts herself
    Demanding the implementation of the MC and emphasizing their struggle for independence.
    According to MS 2, this is ORDLO. Part of Ukraine, with status. What kind of independence?
    So they want to go to Ukraine or what? They demand from Kiev to quickly take it into its structure.
    This is the struggle for independence ...
  • Rusticolus
    Rusticolus 20 July 2020 00: 54 New
    0
    What a strange ultimatum. It is generally accepted that the ultimatum contains the words: If ... - then .... And then some ... or .. This is not an ultimatum, this is a proposal to make a choice. I want to scratch my left heel, I want my right, but I want to scratch nothing at all. I don't want to, that's all.
  • Li17
    Li17 20 July 2020 05: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Dmitry10SPb
    The military confrontation will continue. Russia will receive a new package of sanctions.

    As for sanctions ..... Sanctions appeared when we became an independent power. The reason for this can not only be found but also come up with, by the way, as well as for the war too! Sanctions will be lifted if we only become a colony. And just about how we "suffer" from the sanctions such colonies and suffer!
  • Garist Pavel
    Garist Pavel 20 July 2020 15: 05 New
    0
    Sucks, of course, it turns out. At the highest level, recently, it was explained in the Russian Federation that Donetsk and Lugansk are the territory of Ukraine, everything that happens is the internal affair of Ukraine, etc. This is not how things are done. But what about people from the DPR and LPR ????? People are not a bargaining chip, but someone cynical and vile, apparently, thinks differently ...
  • Andrei Alexandrovich
    Andrei Alexandrovich 21 July 2020 10: 46 New
    0
    Honestly, I do not see an ultimatum here ... But Kiev will not fulfill these requirements of Lugansk, and - what?
    What will happen next?
    1. Kuzmitsky
      22 July 2020 16: 47 New
      +1
      There are many options further. True, it is not a fact that at least one of them is implementing Lugansk.

      For example, since the opponents chronically fail to comply with the Minsk Agreements, send them in the forest and declare the agreements invalid. And to finish these toys about the reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine. Perhaps even to declare their desire to "return to their native harbor", as the Crimea once did.

      Almost everyone understands that Donbass will not return to Ukraine in the coming decades, or even never, and Kiev does not need it, it will not "digest" it. So why then to fence a garden and arrange this unnecessary fuss with human victims?

      Although, in general, all this resembles the 501st Chinese warning.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 21 July 2020 15: 30 New
    -1
    Rzhu-nimagu ... like children, or a slight intellectual discomfort.
    Laugh in the face again.
    Play on.