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Flight on Mach Five: Britain wants to create a "hypersonic" engine for a fighter

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News that Britain is engaged in its own program to create a hypersonic weapons, did not come as a surprise. Many developed countries are taking this path.


This is stated in an article by Michael Peck, which was published by the National Interest.

General attention was attracted by the British plans to convert jet engines on the Eurofighter Typhoon, created in the 90s of the last century, allowing aircraft to reach speeds of up to Mach 2, into hypersonic ones, capable of accelerating it up to Mach 5 and above.

The technology in question is the Saber engine from Reaction Engines, UK. The development combines the advantages of conventional rocket engine jet engines. These studies can bear fruit in the development of power plants for the British sixth-generation Tempest fighter.

The new UK program will force the UK into a race for hypersound, currently dominated by the US, Russia and China.

Michael Peck believes hypersonic engines will not transform Gen 4 fighters into Mach 5 jet aircraft. Instead, hypersonic missiles will do their job. Thanks to this approach, the sixty-year-old B-52s remain a formidable vehicle equipped with smart bombs. The platform remains the same, but the payload is updated as technology advances.

Indeed, the statement about "hypersonic" engines for manned fighters sounds strange. After all, to control a combat vehicle on more than five Machs (5 Mach numbers) is a task, at least, difficult. In this case, the total automation (robotization) of all the main onboard systems can help to "cope" with the fighter.
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  1. dvina71
    dvina71 19 July 2020 13: 16 New
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    British scientists are late .. ramjet engine has already been created ... The problem is not in it. And how to manage a multi-ton colossus at such speeds ... and ensure the strength of the structure.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 July 2020 14: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: dvina71
      British scientists are late .. ramjet engine has already been created ... The problem is not in it. And how to manage a multi-ton colossus at such speeds ... and ensure the strength of the structure.

      And what is the problem in driving a car in a straightforward hypersonic flight? We are not talking about the fact that active maneuvers will be performed on hypersound.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 19 July 2020 14: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: 1976AG
        This is not about the fact that active maneuvers will be performed on hypersound.
        Then it is not a fighter, but an interceptor. England seems to have no missions for interceptors.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 19 July 2020 14: 44 New
          -1
          Quote: bk0010
          Quote: 1976AG
          This is not about the fact that active maneuvers will be performed on hypersound.
          Then it is not a fighter, but an interceptor. England seems to have no missions for interceptors.

          Is the interceptor not a fighter?
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 19 July 2020 14: 55 New
            +5
            Not really. The interceptor is used to protect against strategic and long-range bombers, it is of little use for combat with other fighters (it’s large, heavy, expensive, it cannot maneuver properly, it carries long-range air-to-air missiles from which the fighter can well dodge).
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 19 July 2020 15: 21 New
              +1
              I know what an interceptor is, I mean that it is officially a fighter-interceptor, and not just an interceptor, and certainly not an interceptor bomber. They simply did not go into these nuances and that's it.
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: 1976AG
                I know what an interceptor is, I mean that officially a fighter-interceptor

                Taking off from the island is a non-interceptor plane what will it do?
                In a couple of seconds, at 5M, the aircraft will be either in the Atlantic or over Ukraine.
                In the second case, with a high degree of probability, it will be destroyed by the Russian air defense or missile defense, because the hell knows that it is flying towards us at such a speed.

                And why the heck is he such a plane?

                And he will flatten the pilot into a paste at any maneuver at such a speed. And if there are no maneuvers, then this is not a plane, but a stupid rocket with a kamikaze on board.

                I think so. winked
                1. Vladimir16
                  Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 16 New
                  0
                  Such speeds are needed only for the cocksman. Tolstosumov to transport across Atlantic, Those who are in a hurry somewhere forever.
                  He flew in, picked up speed. Straight flight and landing.

                  Here is a possible application for the English development of scientists from foggy albion.

                  I think so.
                  1. 1976AG
                    1976AG 20 July 2020 10: 51 New
                    0
                    Such speeds are needed for side actions, every second counts there ..
                2. 1976AG
                  1976AG 20 July 2020 10: 22 New
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                  Taking off from the island, this aircraft will enter the missile launch zone or the patrol area (depending on what task is set). In the second case .. will we destroy all the targets that fly towards us at such a speed? I doubt it. And whether it will be possible to destroy it is also a question. And third. At this speed, there will be a straight-line flight (in the manned version) to the combat area. No contradictions.
                  1. Vladimir16
                    Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 25 New
                    0
                    B-52 will fly quietly in the launch zone
                    About this and the note is written.

                    Quote: 1976AG
                    In the second case .. we will destroy all the targets that fly to us at such a speed?


                    Of course.
                    This is what the doctrine says.

                    Americans repeatedly threw a bucket about non-nuclear ICBMs.
                    But they received an answer from our military that we would be fucked, what's in the head of the ICBMs. We will destroy both the ICBM and the country that launched it.
                    The whole world is in dust !!! (West of our borders and to the eastern shores of our country. laughing )

                    Quote: 1976AG
                    At this speed, there will be a straight flight (with a manned version)

                    And why the heck there is a pilot needed request In the proposed use case?
                    Will the pilot be tied so that he doesn’t twist the knob accidentally? Otherwise in shit. laughing
                    1. Vladimir16
                      Vladimir16 20 July 2020 10: 38 New
                      +1
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      At this speed, there will be a straight flight (with a manned version)

                      Isn’t it easier to stick the pilot with adhesive tape to ICBMs? The speed is even higher. And the benefits of the pilot in the first and second cases are equally ZERO. wink laughing
                3. 1976AG
                  1976AG 20 July 2020 10: 53 New
                  0
                  And what does not an interceptor mean? What prevents a fighter from intercepting?
                4. Tatyana Pershina
                  Tatyana Pershina 21 July 2020 06: 18 New
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                  "And if there are no maneuvers, then this is not an airplane but a stupid rocket with a kamikaze on board."
                  So.
            2. 1976AG
              1976AG 19 July 2020 15: 24 New
              +2
              Our fighters are supersonic, but this does not mean that they are maneuvering combat at supersonic speed.
        2. Voyager
          Voyager 19 July 2020 18: 54 New
          0
          The thing is that hypersonic speed will enable the fighter (whether it is an interceptor or not) to carry out its tasks faster and more quickly. At higher speeds, you can quickly reach the goal, join the battle, or leave it.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 19 July 2020 15: 30 New
      +8
      The problem behind the "small" is to create such an aircraft that at a speed of 5M will not burn in dense layers of the atmosphere, and will not collapse from monstrous loads on the aircraft fuselage when it reaches a speed five times higher than the speed of sound!
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 19 July 2020 15: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        The problem behind the "small" is to create such an aircraft that at a speed of 5M will not burn in dense layers of the atmosphere, and will not collapse from monstrous loads on the aircraft fuselage when it reaches a speed five times higher than the speed of sound!


        More precisely, "create such a material."
        1. ved_med12
          ved_med12 19 July 2020 15: 52 New
          +2
          At hypersonic, even aerodynamics are slightly different from subsonic ...
        2. slipped
          slipped 19 July 2020 16: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: 1976AG
          More precisely, "create such a material."


          So, according to the article, they want to install a hypersonic engine on the Eurofighter Typhoon, probably in order for it to grind off the atmosphere during acceleration. laughing
          1. Foxmara
            Foxmara 20 July 2020 01: 11 New
            +2
            Well, British scientists, what do you want? They have any rural doctor has an antidote to foreign-made war viruses.
    3. Errr
      Errr 19 July 2020 16: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: dvina71
      British scientists are late ... the ram motor has already been created ...
      They weren't late anywhere. SABER is a hypersonic, but not ramjet engine.
      SABER (Synergistic Air-Breathing Rocket Engine) - A synergistic rocket engine - a concept developed by Reaction Engines Limited, pre-cooled hypersonic hybrid jet / rocket engine. The engine is being designed to provide a single-stage orbit capability for the Skylon aerospace system. SABER is an evolutionary development of the LACE series and LACE-like engines developed by Alan Bond in the early / mid 1980s as part of the HOTOL project.
      Details on the https://thexhs.livejournal.com/6034.html
    4. Maz
      Maz 19 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +1
      Do they have enough titanium to ensure the stability of the structure when the case is heated against air at this speed?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 July 2020 18: 11 New
        +2
        Heat-resistant stainless steel using an analogue of the KhN45Yu alloy holds structural strength when heated at 1350 degrees for 100 hours; more importantly, it is cheaper than a titanium alloy and it is easier to weld.
    5. Altona
      Altona 20 July 2020 12: 44 New
      0
      Quote: dvina71
      and ensure structural strength.

      ---------------------------
      Heat resistance would still provide. MiG-31 made of stainless steel heats up be healthy. It's not just that, fly for 3 Machs. Yes, and the pilot should probably be overlaid with compression all around, even his face, smear the sick person in the cockpit.
    6. Tcheluskin
      Tcheluskin 21 July 2020 09: 23 New
      +1
      ramjet engine has already been created

      If you are talking about a hypersonic ramjet engine (scramjet engine) for serial aircraft - there is no evidence yet that it is "already created"; or at least during the tests was able to provide * acceleration and long-term maintenance * of hypersonic speed.

      The Russian "hypersonic" rocket that was demonstrated, the Dagger, does not have a scramjet engine, but simply a solid-propellant rocket engine (turbojet engine).

      The hypersonic "Zircon" has not yet been presented to the public. But then, it has a scramjet engine, and with the required characteristic elongated flat nose, it fits into the 3S14 vertical launch installation and provides a range of 400+ km, radar or OLS guidance, etc. - it looks fantastic. I would suggest that the Zircon is a hybrid of the 3M-55 Onyx direct-flow supersonic anti-ship missile system and the solid-propellant 2nd stage from the 3M-54 Caliber.
      1. telobezumnoe
        telobezumnoe 25 July 2020 21: 28 New
        0
        there is a possibility of using detonation engines. The cradle design bureau has been designing something like this for a long time, and the bourgeoisie have made progress. the main issue with guidance systems at such speeds behind the plasma cloud .. how this issue was solved, in my opinion there is nothing but braking at the final stage has not yet been implemented
        1. Tcheluskin
          Tcheluskin 27 July 2020 09: 55 New
          +1
          IMHO, the targeting problem is slightly contrived.
          Firstly, the same missiles of the Antey-2500 complex use the radar when flying at speeds up to 9M; and the same Onyx or the American SR-71 - during a long flight on 3M at altitudes up to 20 km (and Zircon, apparently, will rise higher). That is, if the effect of "shielding the radar by a plasma cloud" is manifested, then only at a certain combination of speed, atmospheric density and flight time.
          Secondly, the plasma is formed from the material of the nose fairing during prolonged heating. Hence, it is possible, for example, to have a resettable fairing.
          Thirdly, with a short approach time and attacking large targets, you can, for example, use only optical / IR guidance. Or radar at high altitude plus OLS at the final 20-30 km. Or carry a tactical nuclear warhead (for other things, Onyx with Calibers is enough).

          More problems with innovative engines.
          NNAZ, the detonation engine has so far only worked for a few seconds on the test bench.
    7. telobezumnoe
      telobezumnoe 25 July 2020 21: 22 New
      +1
      Is it possible for more details that you have not seen the workers of the GPVR? at least that could not work for seconds.
  2. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 19 July 2020 13: 19 New
    +1
    The development combines the advantages of conventional rocket engine jet engines.

    When did the rocket engine stop being jet?
    which is currently dominated by the US, Russia and China

    When did China learn to make engines? Let them catch up with the USSR. Britain, as it was a leader in engine building, remains so.
    the announcement of hypersonic engines for manned fighters sounds strange. After all, controlling a combat vehicle with more than five Machs (Mach 5 numbers) is, at least, a difficult task.

    This statement sounds strange. The criteria for the 6th generation are hypersound and performance in a manned version and an unmanned one.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 19 July 2020 13: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Grazdanin
      The criteria for the 6th generation are hypersound and performance in a manned and unmanned version.

      So then it is. That's just from the Wishlist to those. tasks are not a short way, and to the current prototype is much further. A valid prototype is expected (not planned, these are different concepts) no earlier than 2035. That is, until 2035 the 6th generation will not be guaranteed, but most likely, it will definitely appear before the end of the 21st century.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 19 July 2020 16: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Eragon
        there is until 2035 the 6th generation will not be guaranteed, but it will most likely appear before the end of the 21st century.

        Why not? Will be. But only in an unmanned version. Or manned, but not hypersonic. We already have the SU-57 positioned as the base platform for the 6th generation. And the Hunter.
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 20 July 2020 07: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergey39
          Quote: Eragon
          there is until 2035 the 6th generation will not be guaranteed, but it will most likely appear before the end of the 21st century.

          Why not? Will be. But only in an unmanned version. Or manned, but not hypersonic. We already have the SU-57 positioned as the base platform for the 6th generation. And the Hunter.

          I wrote about the SU-57 more than once that you should not wait for mass production, because it is mainly a testing platform. Yes, you can install a lot of things from the 6th generation on it. In addition to engines. Sopromat will not allow, the case will crumble, will not withstand hypersonic speed.
          No hull - no aircraft.
          The same trouble with the "Hunter". Yes, it is called the 6th generation, but the top speed is 1800 km / h. And this is not hypersound.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 20 July 2020 10: 54 New
            +2
            The Su-57 has a contract for 76 aircraft, this is mass production.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 20 July 2020 14: 13 New
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              As far as I understand, two contracts were signed there.
              The first on 2 Su-57.
              Second on 76 Su-57.

              The first serial was broken. We are waiting for the second. It is now licked by millimeter for sure ....
          2. Sergey39
            Sergey39 20 July 2020 11: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Eragon
            The same trouble

            And what's the trouble? These are the test platforms on which various new technical solutions are tested. Including on the body. The performance characteristics of the sixth generation have not yet been precisely defined by anyone and there is no clear terms of reference. And to make categorical statements, and even on the basis of their own comments is naive.
    2. bar
      bar 19 July 2020 15: 05 New
      +2
      The criteria for the 6th generation are hypersound and performance in a manned and unmanned version.

      They are the criteria, they are put, then put. Apparently in fact what happened in real life. The striped ones in their 5th generation do not even set a non-afterburning supersonic sound, and the criterion of super-maneuverability they have there is also at half past five. And nothing. laughing
  3. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 19 July 2020 13: 20 New
    +6
    If they want something they may want, it remains to be done. Everybody wants.
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 19 July 2020 13: 20 New
    +4
    4th generation fighters into jet aircraft capable of developing Mach 5. Instead...

    this, it would be better to do the usual amusing research in the field of psychology ...
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 19 July 2020 13: 28 New
      +3
      They are used to making the best aircraft engines in the world and this is what they do.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 20 July 2020 14: 14 New
        +1
        For combat aircraft, it was a long time ....
  5. Avior
    Avior 19 July 2020 13: 24 New
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    The experience of the MiG-31 and SR-71 shows that the problem of high speeds is not only in engines, but also in the general design of the aircraft.
    It’s not easy to maintain such speeds
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 19 July 2020 13: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Avior
      general aircraft design.
      It’s not easy to maintain such speeds

      That's right. In this, they cannot do without project partners.
  6. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 July 2020 13: 29 New
    +1
    Everyone ran and the Englishwoman was limping ...
  7. seerfhjh
    seerfhjh 19 July 2020 13: 36 New
    +1
    But they will create it, it is a matter of time, no one has yet canceled progress.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 13: 37 New
    +2
    At such speeds, the radius of turns will be huge, the skin temperature is several hundred degrees. We need special materials. Which are not yet. Etc. and the engine - and what is the engine? The turbojet engine is already very complex, and to mix it with a straight-through one is just another order of complexity to add ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 July 2020 14: 20 New
      +1
      Why do you need bends on hypersound ?? You misunderstand the concept of hypersound for a fighter jet. No one was going to conduct a maneuverable air battle at hypersonic speed. And there is no need for this.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 19 July 2020 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: 1976AG
        Why do you need bends on hypersound ??

        yes Why all these miracles on bends? The advantage of the cheetah should be recalled ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 19 July 2020 14: 36 New
          +2
          The cheetah also does not perform miracles on supersonic.
      2. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 20 July 2020 08: 48 New
        +2
        No one was going to conduct a maneuverable air battle at hypersonic speed.

        And the use of weapons is at least difficult. In any case, I have little idea how to open the missile compartment at such a speed. However, since then. as I studied at the Moscow Aviation Institute, materials science has gone far ahead. Maybe something like that was invented, which will allow the hatch flaps not to come off.))
        Therefore, the question arises - Hypersonic fighter, what would it be?
        Interceptor (at the catch-up stage), scout, I can understand that. But a fighter ... Unless they come up with a new form of controlled plasma, by analogy with the air bubble of the "squall" rocket torpedo ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 20 July 2020 15: 35 New
          0
          Hypersonic - for operational transfer from the base to the combat area, it can be long distances, or, judging by the proposed engines, including work in near space for low-orbit targets, this by the way explains the possibility of hypersound, since it can be achieved at high altitudes ... The interceptor is the fighter.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 21 July 2020 00: 06 New
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            The interceptor is the fighter.

            Not. Why? Figure it out for yourself, this is a pure educational program.
            ... work in near space for low-orbit targets ...

            For this there are other developments, in our country leading "ancestry" from the "space bast". Precisely and specially sharpened for work in near space.
            And then ... In order for a certain target to appear in near space, it must still fly there. Those. some time will go away anyway, and during this time the target will be calculated and shot down by a rocket, which a priori is easier and cheaper to accelerate, up to any speed, incl. and up to hyper. But let's say there is some manned or unmanned aerodynamic (not ballistic and not glider) hyperspeed target, in near space, for which, hypothetically, a relatively maneuverable hypersonic fighter might be required. The question immediately arises - What will this goal do there? Bomb carrier? Pts is doubtful. Missile (CR) delivery vehicles with the same classic bomb carriers look more thought out in all respects, as well as missile weapons to combat them. Scout? Maybe. But there are also ways to deal with them, which far from always require speed correspondence from the carrier, and this carrier is certainly not a fighter, but some pumped interceptor, such as the MiG-3XX, with the corresponding missile weapons and control / targeting systems.
            It is unclear what exactly a fighter can do in the stratosphere. With whom should he fight there?
            That is why I asked a logical question - Hypersonic fighter, what would it be? But you immediately began to fantasize perpendicularly, which, however, is not punishable at all. )))
  9. Guba
    Guba 19 July 2020 13: 37 New
    +1
    British scientists decided ...))))
    This is such a joke that goes around the world .. wink
  10. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 13: 41 New
    0
    To want is not to do. Old England is no longer a cake, what can she do there? Nothing.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 July 2020 13: 47 New
      0
      Sith Lord (Jorge) Today, 13:41 NEW
      +1
      To want is not to do. Old England is no longer a cake, what can she do there? Nothing.
      hi ! Yes. Desire and outcome are two big differences.
  11. Andrea
    Andrea 19 July 2020 13: 44 New
    +5
    Mig 25 can give 3500 km / h, but it is heated like a frying pan.
    We’ll have fried shaves on five moves.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 19 July 2020 14: 48 New
      +8
      The MiG-25 could fly at 2.85M and be used like a regular aircraft. The SR-71 could fly at a speed of 3M, the price of which was the ability to fly strictly along the route, minimal maneuverability, long preparation time for takeoff, obligatory refueling after takeoff (fuel leaked out on the ground), special fuel, titanium hull and many more hemorrhoids. Was 0.15M worth all this? The transition to 5M will cause a much larger com problems, but will not give invulnerability to missiles. And why then is this transition needed?
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 20 July 2020 08: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: bk0010
        compulsory refueling after take-off (fuel leaked on the ground)

        Well yes. There the thermal gaps were such that everything flowed out of it from all the cracks. And only when reaching a speed of about 2M, everything fell into place there after thermal expansion.
        They flew yes, strictly along the route. He worked on them in the late 70s, when he served in the Leningrad separate air defense army. They have several days to prepare for the flight. Schedule - two flights a week. More often it didn’t work. On Monday from the British, across mainland Europe, with a flight along our western borders, with a landing at Schleswig-Holstein, on Thursday back on the same track.
  12. Piramidon
    Piramidon 19 July 2020 13: 47 New
    +2
    to control a combat vehicle on more than five Machs (5 Mach numbers) is a task, at least, difficult. In this case, "cope" with the fighter can help, perhaps, total automation (robotization) all major airborne systems.

    Then why would a pilot be needed there at all?
  13. Timon2155
    Timon2155 19 July 2020 14: 02 New
    +2
    There was such a plane XF-103 from Republican. There was an engine with a similar operating principle: at low speeds it worked like a turbojet engine, at high speeds it worked like a direct-flow engine. The complicated power plant turned out, and was not brought to the series. www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/xf103.html
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 19 July 2020 14: 04 New
    +1
    . General attention was attracted by the British plans to convert jet engines on the Eurofighter Typhoon, created in the 90s of the last century, allowing aircraft to reach speeds of up to Mach 2, into hypersonic ones, capable of accelerating it up to Mach 5 and above.

    A simple question - if you accelerate that fighter above a certain limit, WHAT WILL REMAIN OF IT ???
    From all the previous experience of creating super high-speed aircraft it turns out !!!! that this is a very complicated matter. Those. they were all created very different from all other combat vehicles!
  15. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 19 July 2020 14: 06 New
    +3
    Create a "superman" first, who will manage this miracle, a UAV without artificial intelligence?
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 19 July 2020 14: 16 New
    -3
    Britain wants .... but it cannot ...... and it cannot! I trusted the mattresses ....... so they will deceive .......
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 July 2020 14: 35 New
    +2
    If such an engine succeeds, then it will be used in a cruise missile.
    Not gliding from space - gliders are in vogue now, but in real:
    long horizontal flight in a dense atmosphere.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 July 2020 16: 14 New
      0
      And in a rocket you can put on a plane
  18. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 19 July 2020 15: 20 New
    +1
    Oh, British scientists. Although I am not a pilot, I understand that speeds in military aircraft are limited not only by structures, but also by human physiological capabilities. Well, you can say whatever you want, especially to British scientists.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 19 July 2020 16: 30 New
      +1
      Speed ​​is limited by the characteristics of the material the aircraft is made of.
      1. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 19 July 2020 16: 34 New
        +1
        Dear, I do not argue, but also a person. Overloads for the body are not unlimited.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 19 July 2020 17: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai Petrov
          Dear, I do not argue, but also a person. Overloads for the body are not unlimited.

          This is when it comes to overloads, speed as such does not affect the body.
    2. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 19 July 2020 16: 58 New
      0
      The X-15 flew at a speed of 6.72 MAX and a height of 107 meters (i.e., it went into outer space).
  19. Klingon
    Klingon 19 July 2020 16: 45 New
    -1
    they got stoned there? the stripes didn’t succeed even with the SR-71, which accelerated to 3 MAXs, where the lantern melted already and stuck to metal or something like that
    1. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 19 July 2020 16: 56 New
      +1
      That is, you do not know about the fact that the SR-71 flew on reconnaissance missions until the 2000s? And about the existence of the X-15 rocket plane, which reached a speed of 6.72 MAX back in the 1960s, do not you know?
  20. 5-9
    5-9 19 July 2020 16: 49 New
    +1
    Small Britain developed country ??? Let them learn to make mass bathroom faucets, waterproofing the foundation and castrate boars
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 July 2020 17: 24 New
      +1
      Underdeveloped, of course ... But somehow two aircraft carriers managed to give the fleet.
      And six new destroyers. belay
      1. 5-9
        5-9 19 July 2020 18: 37 New
        -1
        Et yes ... True, the pre-Aviation carriers immediately after the construction wanted to write off (like Nimrody-DRLO, here is the know-how in the dough cut) and the planes for them are miserable, aliens and they are not yet .. And so the British are strong of course ... by the way, on EM for 2 lard piece RCC or PLUR there?
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 19 July 2020 20: 33 New
          +1
          It is important that they were able to build 6 ships of the 1st rank with the most modern systems (radar with AFAR, radar with CA, SAM with missiles with ARL seeker, full electric propulsion) in the 00s.
          As well as aircraft carriers. They can build and operate them, and many cannot. Aircraft are poor in comparison with what? F-18? MiG-29?
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 July 2020 22: 00 New
          +2
          Where can I make a mixer, crooked-handed laughing
          Airbus engines - Rolls-Royce:

    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 19 July 2020 20: 35 New
      0
      Why would they make mixers when the Germans and Italians do it? They know how to make ships of the 1st rank, excellent aircraft engines.
  21. Klingon
    Klingon 19 July 2020 17: 00 New
    +3
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    That is, you do not know about the fact that the SR-71 flew on reconnaissance missions until the 2000s? And about the existence of the X-15 rocket plane, which reached a speed of 6.72 MAX, do not you know?

    he flew, but this did not help solve the problems with the hood and dynamic heating in general, do you know?
    1. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 19 July 2020 17: 12 New
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      In general, the Americans coped with this difficult task perfectly due to the use of a titanium body and an advanced cooling system for the entire aircraft with fuel that circulated under the skin before entering the engine. Yes, the plane turned out to be expensive to manufacture and operate, yes - of a complex design. But he performed the assigned tasks perfectly.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 19 July 2020 17: 15 New
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        Yes, it turned out so expensive that the tasks it performed did not cover the cost of its maintenance. That is why they refused. Why such troubles with a hypersonic reconnaissance aircraft if now everything can be photographed from a satellite?
        1. Zeev
          Zeev zeev 19 July 2020 20: 38 New
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          In 1963, when Drozd was being created, satellite cameras barely showed individual buildings. And for a long, long time, the resolution was insufficient. In addition, the launch of a satellite (which flies along a certain route, which is not easy to change) costs much more than the flight of even the most expensive aircraft to operate.
      2. 5-9
        5-9 19 July 2020 19: 13 New
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        CP71 is an example of the superiority of progress over common sense ... But a handsome man in every sense ... Although we made the Mig-25 and 31 simpler, cheaper, and not so much simpler worse ...
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 19 July 2020 20: 37 New
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          They could not achieve comparable performance, but for a fighter with missile weapons this is not necessary.
  22. 3danimal
    3danimal 19 July 2020 20: 38 New
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    Read earlier about “Saber”, a very interesting project good
  23. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 19 July 2020 22: 02 New
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    After all, to control a combat vehicle on more than five Machs (5 Mach numbers) is a task, at least, difficult.
    It would be worth clarifying: you can control (in general) a combat vehicle at least 5, at least 10, at least 50 Mach. But to achieve the maneuverability required for a fighter is a completely different matter. After all, a fighter needs the same turning radius, to put it mildly, somewhat less than half a continent. Moreover, so that the pilot does not turn into jelly on the walls of the cockpit from overloads.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 July 2020 22: 29 New
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      In order to maneuver at such speeds in the upper atmosphere it is necessary to create a capsule for the pilot in which the load relative to the aircraft itself will be reduced to 4 g and this task is already on the verge of fantasy because you need to make a space in this capsule in which inertial forces will be minimal, that is, you will have to reduce the mass of the pilot in relation to the ship itself and Earth's gravity by default. As the saying goes "Not in this century."
  24. 123456789
    123456789 19 July 2020 23: 13 New
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    The technology in question

    seamless with blowtorch
  25. ALLxANDr
    ALLxANDr 19 July 2020 23: 14 New
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    The new UK program will force the UK into a race for hypersound, currently dominated by the US, Russia and China.
    In ascending order should be Russia, China, the United States, and then the British (they ceased to be great when the fleet degraded). China and the United States can be swapped, but the meaning does not change much. They lag behind Russia greatly.
  26. Foxmara
    Foxmara 20 July 2020 01: 17 New
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    Enlighten me where the United States dominates hypersound? I heard thinly that they demand to ban it
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 20 July 2020 22: 58 New
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      They successfully tested the X-51 Waverider with a ramjet hypersonic engine. Which we depict every time (a photo under the wing of the B-52 with the insignia erased in Photoshop), talking about the mysterious "Zircon"
      No one else, as far as I know.
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 21 September 2020 13: 50 New
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        This is: "In total, the rocket engine worked for about 200 seconds, after which the X-51A sent a signal to self-destruct in connection with the beginning of interruptions in telemetry." Conditionally successful tests - is this a super duper rocket? Is there anything new after 2010? I was not banned on Google, but I could not find it. Status - under development. Has passed the tests and is preparing for introduction into the troops after all, a slightly higher status, is not it?
        By the way, you're right about the pictures, even NI uses 51 as a picture for zircons. Apparently there is something to secret. The only thing I can say is bramos, whose appearance is known very similar to the 51st too. Apparently this gave Trump a reason to declare that we stole a duper rocket from them. And they made it faster ..
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 22 September 2020 00: 05 New
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          The only thing I can say is bramos, whose appearance is known very similar to the 51st too.

          Brahmos is completely different. Missiles with ramjet and scramjet engines have dramatic differences that are immediately noticeable.
          It is convenient to talk about secrecy, explaining the absence of a test program before.
          So far, Zircon looks like an analogue of SOI in the 80s, a way to promote an opponent at great expense.
  27. ioan-e
    ioan-e 20 July 2020 08: 35 New
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    Is eurofighter designed for such speeds both in materials and in construction? Do they even imagine what kind of heating the glider will be, or did they fly along the Karman line at such speeds where there is almost no atmosphere? Is it just that our MiG-25s were made of steel, and the Americans SR-71 were made of titanium? One word - "British scientists"!
  28. vadimtt
    vadimtt 20 July 2020 09: 44 New
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    Heh, this article has the wrong title. This is not just about a fighter, but an aerospace fighter. It is under this that the Saber project is ground. If the British succeed in making good progress in this direction (and this is quite possible, one of the best schools of engine building allows), then they will be able to squeeze rocket scientists in the cost of bringing the payload to LEO.