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The Chinese press found a "problem" in the Su-30MKI of the Indian Air Force: Russian engines

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The Chinese media published material that examines the Indian Air Force fighter fleet. On the Sohu portal, they decided to pay special attention to the Su-30MKI fighters, which are in service with the Indian Air Force. The author of the article states that in India "there are problems with the Su-30MKI aircraft."


The Chinese author in his article on the pages of the mentioned resource announced that the losses that India suffered in Su-30MKI aircraft during planned training flights are associated with “problem engines of Russian production”. It is argued that "the problem with the engines is longstanding." From the article:

The problem of Russian engines has existed since Soviet times. Over time, the problem of engine power becomes more apparent. Although Russia has made many adjustments, it has not completely resolved this problem.

It goes on to say that India "has repeatedly made claims against Russia." And these claims were allegedly related to “Russian dissatisfaction with India aviation engines ".

More than strange arguments and statements in the Chinese media, especially when you consider that a few days ago, Indian Defense Minister Rajnat Singh visited Moscow and agreed on new deliveries of Russian fighters.

In this regard, the Chinese author’s attempt to identify the “problem with the Su-30MKI” looks like nothing more than a desire to find something that does not exist - against the backdrop of the Sino-Indian confrontation in Ladakh. It is not in China's interests to strengthen the Indian Air Force. And if we recall that in India they said about the spotted onboard radar of the Su-30MKI of the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter, then it becomes clear why Sohu is directing its publication against the Su-30MKI.
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  1. Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 19 July 2020 09: 26 New
    48
    The Chinese let them first make their engines comparable to ours from the 80s, then bark.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 19 July 2020 09: 29 New
      33
      Compared with Chinese counterparts, our engine is the distant future of China's engine building.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 19 July 2020 12: 00 New
        19
        That is, the Russian engines on which the Chinese pilots fly are as good, and the same engines, but the Indians have problematic ones.
        Hmmmm belay
        1. avg
          avg 19 July 2020 18: 36 New
          +7
          Quote: Mitroha
          That is, the Russian engines on which the Chinese pilots fly are as good, and the same engines, but the Indians have problematic ones.
          Hmmmm

          Moreover, Pakistan also buys JF-17 fighters from the Chinese only on condition that they be equipped with Russian engines.
          In general, the boorish and categorical manner of some Chinese media, which has already become familiar, is striking.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 19 July 2020 20: 27 New
            +4
            Colleagues! And you're right, and the Chinese, oddly enough, are not exactly eccentric. smile
            And the fact is that the cleverly glued Indians managed to install BU engines on new aircraft that were assembled in India. Who is so smart is another story, but there was a problem with a relatively large number of aircraft.
            But this is not a problem in our engines, but a problem in "business" in Indian style. hi
      2. Vicontas
        Vicontas 19 July 2020 20: 03 New
        +6
        Naturally, the Russian engines are bad for the Chinese - they have been trying to clone them for many years, and the clones are much worse than the originals! Wow, those Russians and their non-copyable technology! Oh, how pizza! Hi!
    2. Jack O'Neill
      Jack O'Neill 19 July 2020 09: 34 New
      -34
      The Chinese let them first make their engines comparable to ours from the 80s, then bark.


      Everyone has the right to criticism.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 19 July 2020 10: 22 New
        +8
        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Everyone has the right to criticism.


        The Chinese author in his article on the pages of the mentioned resource announced that the losses that India suffered in Su-30MKI aircraft during planned training flights are associated with “problem engines of Russian production”.


        And themselves, on the engines of whose production they fly, and derivatives of them, of their own release ???
        1. Jack O'Neill
          Jack O'Neill 19 July 2020 10: 47 New
          -17
          Does it matter? For example, I'm using the AMD process, but it doesn't bother me in any way from writing that the memory controller in it is bad. This is healthy logic.
          Another example: the majority of VO users, at any opportunity, write what kind of "Lightning" bottom.
          In your opinion, one can, but not the other?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 19 July 2020 11: 40 New
            +7
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            Does it matter? For example, I'm using the AMD process, but it doesn't bother me in any way from writing that the memory controller in it is bad. This is healthy logic.
            Another example: the majority of VO users, at any opportunity, write what kind of "Lightning" bottom.
            In your opinion, one can, but not the other?

            laughing laughing laughing
            You straight "Captain evidence to the contrary" yes laughing

            The Chinese are exploiting Russian-made aircraft with Russian-made engines fellow

            And the overwhelming number of engines of their own production they have, these are either clones of engines of the Soviet / Russian periods of development, or their improved (as they believe) options ...
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 19 July 2020 11: 43 New
              -11
              The Chinese operate Russian-made aircraft with fellow Russian-made engines

              So what?

              And the overwhelming number of engines of their own production they have, these are either clones of engines of the Soviet / Russian periods of development, or their improved (as they believe) options ...

              I do not argue.

              Because of all this, they cannot criticize now?
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 19 July 2020 11: 46 New
                15
                Quote: Jack O'Neill
                I do not argue.

                Because of all this, they cannot criticize now?


                Who is criticized lol ? Hindus yes , which fly on the same engines that are equipped with PLA Air Force planes belay fellow

                Of course you don’t argue, you are talking nonsense ...
                1. Jack O'Neill
                  Jack O'Neill 19 July 2020 13: 27 New
                  -14
                  Who is criticizing lol? Hindus yes who fly on the same engines that airplanes of the PLA air force are equipped with belay fellow


                  The Chinese author in his article on the pages of the mentioned resource announced that the losses that India suffered in Su-30MKI aircraft during planned training flights are associated with “problem engines of Russian production”. At the same time, it is argued that "the problem with the engines is long-standing"

                  Of course you don’t argue, you are talking nonsense ...

                  And where is the "nonsense"? Have you read the article?
                  According to the author, the problem is old, and our engines are far from Pratt & Whitney.

                  So what is the "nonsense"? Why can't the Chinese criticize Russian engines? Just because they also have an AL-31F clone?
                  You have a small outlook ...
                  If the Chinese flew the F-135 and drove this engine, then you would have no questions, would you?
                  The only problem is that the AL-31F is a Russian engine, so it hurts you.
                  1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                    Sergey Kulikov_3 19 July 2020 15: 05 New
                    +5
                    Do not fence in nonsense. If these same engines are installed on the Chinese super-duper invisible fighter of a new generation, then it is worth recognizing someone as a fool, and the choice is not great, either the author of the opus or the Chinese aviation industry.
                    1. Jack O'Neill
                      Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 02: 29 New
                      -4
                      Well, actually, yes, the Chinese do not really have a choice.
                  2. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 19 July 2020 21: 57 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Jack O'Neill
                    According to the author, the problem is old, and our engines are far from Pratt & Whitney.

                    The problem is that the Chinese author heard the ringing.
                    Old problem with Russian engines in fact, it is a problem with Indian-made engines, which some of the Indian journalists for some reason stubbornly call "Russian". The Indian Defense Minister put an end to the discussion of "who is to blame":
                    ... Defense Minister Manohar Parikkar said that the Indian Su-30MKI fleet is experiencing big problems with the level of serviceable aircraft, primarily due to breakdowns of the power plant.

                    India operates a modification of the Su-30MKI, which does not differ much from the Algerian version. At the same time, it is known from the words of the Minister of Defense that the Indian Air Force has already had five accidents and 69 incidents with AL-31FP engines manufactured by HAL since 2012... Of the 69 incidents, Parrikar said, 33 were caused by swarf in the oil, 11 were caused by engine vibration, and eight were due to very low oil pressure. Accusations were made of poor build quality, which quickly resulted in fatigue, causing cracks that resulted in metal fragments and an oil circuit. The investigation also drew attention to the quality of the oil. By order of the Indian Ministry of Defense, measures were taken: the use of better quality oil, alteration and replacement of welding and fasteners between mechanical parts.
                    © bmpd
                    Crooked-handed assemblers collect engines, which then go to crooked mechanics, who pour everything they find into them (hussars, not a word about AvtoVAZ! smile ). But to blame Russian engines.
                    1. Jack O'Neill
                      Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 02: 23 New
                      -3
                      The problem is that the Chinese author heard the ringing ...
                      The old problem with Russian engines is in fact a problem with Indian-made engines, which some of the Indian journalists persistently call "Russian" for some reason. The Indian Defense Minister put an end to the discussion of "who is to blame":

                      Oh, I forgot that the Indians make our engines under license.

                      However, this does not change my first words: everyone has the right to criticism.
          2. sedoj
            sedoj 19 July 2020 14: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: Jack O'Neill
            Does it matter? For example, I'm using the AMD process, but it doesn't bother me in any way from writing that the memory controller in it is bad. This is healthy logic.
            Another example: the majority of VO users, at any opportunity, write what kind of "Lightning" bottom.
            In your opinion, one can, but not the other?

            Do you think that your comments on VO have the same resonance in society as the Chinese media? Then you flatter yourself.
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 19 July 2020 14: 55 New
              -5
              Do you think that your comments on VO have the same resonance in society as the Chinese media? Then you flatter yourself.

              Oh, what was that? Did you try to pin me up? Lol.
          3. KCA
            KCA 20 July 2020 07: 24 New
            0
            AMD processor you have is interesting, before the RAM controller was in the north bridge, your processor is unique, exclusive
            1. Jack O'Neill
              Jack O'Neill 20 July 2020 08: 04 New
              0
              The memory controller has long been in the crystal. In my case, this is the north bridge (CPU-NB)
              But the processor is interesting, yes. An old man, but still a magician. He danced, what can I say. Eight boilers do their job.

              He’s not so old that the CP has a uterus in the SM.
      2. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 19 July 2020 15: 53 New
        0
        Criticism must be constructive ... otherwise it is just balabalism.
    3. mvg
      mvg 19 July 2020 10: 53 New
      -3
      WS-10D, WS-15A. And after 2-3 years, Russia will already be in the role of catching up. They (the yellow ones) have a whole scientific town on strength of materials and materials, up to 100 thousand people. Huge money and brains from around the world. Including from the former USSR. Plus espionage.
      PS: Do you have doubts?
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 19 July 2020 10: 58 New
        -11
        It is possible to catch up with Russia, because we are standing still, the Western countries are not.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 July 2020 11: 44 New
          +1
          I think that the specific indicators of the turbojet engine are already limiting and the difference will be in the resource and efficiency ... which is not so important for military turbojet engines. And each% of improvements will be worth considerable work .. China is working on this and, most importantly, China has a huge domestic market for any turbojet engine and turbojet engine ... and these are large series of products.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 19 July 2020 11: 48 New
            -4
            In general, yes. In wartime, the resource and profitability are not fundamental. If you are ready to spend a lot of money on maintenance, then the flag is in their hands.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 19 July 2020 13: 24 New
              0
              Task number one is to reach the desired values ​​for traction and speed ... and then grind and grind. For example, the USSR did not reach the values ​​for the resource of piston engines that the Americans, the British had
              1. Grazdanin
                Grazdanin 19 July 2020 13: 27 New
                -4
                Yes, for jet engines the same situation as with piston engines.
            2. mvg
              mvg 19 July 2020 23: 27 New
              +2
              In wartime, resource and efficiency are not fundamental

              In addition to wartime, there is also a peaceful time, when pilots wind 200-250 hours a year. But really, a sniper pilot 1500 hours. Half engine life, $ 20-25 million. A very expendable part of the military budget.
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 20: 38 New
          0
          Why is it - the growth of the resource of our motors is a reality.
      2. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 19 July 2020 15: 14 New
        +1
        Do you think that a scientific village can give birth to a breakthrough in the engine building of the whole world? As everything turns out to be simple, you only need more dough and scientific towns where great minds will gather, and all tryndets, the intergalactic engine is ready.
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 11: 21 New
      -2
      Everything is correct with the declared resource (but not real) of 900 hours of the last modification of the WS-10 CHINESE shouldn't open their mouths at all ...
      1. Tibidokh
        Tibidokh 19 July 2020 12: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        with the declared resource of 900 hours

        Assigned resource 1500 hours
        Overhaul life 300 hours
        https://vpk.name/library/f/ws-10.html
        PS: I repeatedly argued on the site about the reasons for the Chinese buying our engines. In Chinese forums, the Chinese themselves admit that their engines are 1,5-2 times more expensive to purchase and 2 times more expensive to maintain than Russian engines. And the Chinese spend money very carefully - they are so rich not because they earn a lot, but because they save a lot.
        Well, of course, the purchase of Russian engines (especially AL-31FN2 and AL-41F1S) is an attempt to introduce Soviet / Russian technologies into CFM56 (which is the pride of the Chinese engine-building WS-10).
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 14: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Tibidokh
          Assigned resource 1500 hours
          Overhaul life 300 hours
          https://vpk.name/library/f/ws-10.html


          Thank. Yes, there were such numbers, this is according to the statements of the Chinese. 900 hours is the estimate of imported gentlemen. It is difficult to say how true it is, as well as the Chinese statements. IMHO the situation is worse than the Chinese officially declare. And the assigned resource, as I understand it, is not equal to the actual one.
    5. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 19 July 2020 14: 18 New
      -3
      Rzhu nimag, this narrow-film author needs to go to work as a comedian, in the 95th quarter, instead of Zelensky. When the Chinese make an engine, although close in power and resource, then we will have something to talk about.
  2. Simon
    Simon 19 July 2020 09: 35 New
    +6
    The Chinese press found a "problem" in the Su-30MKI of the Indian Air Force: Russian engines

    And that they wanted the Chinese to stand with them! laughing
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 19 July 2020 09: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Simon
      And that they wanted the Chinese to stand with them!

      They would like the Indians not to fly at all.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 19 July 2020 11: 47 New
        0
        They would like the Indians not to fly at all.
        Or even more radically: that ALL Indian states are listed as Chinese provinces. And the population spoke the Han dialect and had all the signs of the Mongoloid race. hi
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 19 July 2020 13: 26 New
          0
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Or even more radically

          It's too bold, even for the grabbing Chinese. Such a Kusman cannot be digested. Heartburn torment.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 19 July 2020 16: 01 New
            -1
            Such a Kusman cannot be digested. Heartburn will torture you.
            Certainly not to digest, but it is a dream.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 19 July 2020 17: 14 New
              0
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Certainly not to digest, but it is a dream.

              This is yes ...
  3. sav
    sav 19 July 2020 09: 36 New
    13
    Indeed, a strange statement considering that China is still buying similar engines from us.
  4. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 July 2020 09: 36 New
    +1
    The Chinese have nothing better than Russian engines. It would still be understandable if they scolded weapons.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 July 2020 09: 36 New
    +6
    We urgently need to buy Chinese engines and replace them at Sushki. After that, the Indian aviation will not be afraid ... laughing
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 July 2020 09: 38 New
    +1
    Now, if the aviation experts found it, then you can listen. And what they found there is of no interest to anyone, the dog barks, and the plane flies.
  7. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 19 July 2020 09: 43 New
    +2
    For some reason, the Chinese are not aware that there are Indian-assembled engines.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 July 2020 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: d4rkmesa
      For some reason, the Chinese are not aware that there are Indian-assembled engines.

      Moreover, the fact that the problems of the engines are connected precisely with the Indian assembly and Indian service, was already confirmed by the Minister of Defense of India.
  8. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 July 2020 09: 43 New
    +1
    Soha in the style: "So do not get to anyone!"
    There are no intelligible dviguns and others to knock off a pantalik ...
  9. K-50
    K-50 19 July 2020 09: 45 New
    0
    The Chinese author in his article on the pages of the mentioned resource announced that the losses that India suffered in Su-30MKI aircraft during planned training flights are associated with “problem engines of Russian production”.

    And what about the Russian planes, combat, Martian engines need to put? What is so possible? belay
    Or is it that the Chinese themselves do not have enough Russian engines? lol
  10. Tusv
    Tusv 19 July 2020 09: 45 New
    +3
    From the point of view of the Russian air defense radar, all Pepelians in the world, except for ours, have a significant design flaw - they do not respond to the request Do you want to talk about this? drinks
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 July 2020 10: 45 New
      +1
      You do not want? Well, figs with him. We have full disposal rights approved by the Pope. Does not know? Well, figs with him Acting Pope now Kuzhegetich drinks
  11. Poetry
    Poetry 19 July 2020 09: 53 New
    +2
    It is possible to check this engine in air battles. The main problem is the preparation of the Indian flight crew.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 19 July 2020 11: 49 New
      +2
      The main problem is the preparation of the Indian flight crew.
      With the flight crew, everything is quite on the level there. There are problems with the maintenance staff.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 July 2020 22: 02 New
        0
        Quote: abrakadabre
        There are problems with the maintenance staff.

        And with collectors on HAL.
  12. Bat039
    Bat039 19 July 2020 10: 13 New
    +6
    laughing If anyone has problems with engines, it is from China, which still buys engines from the Russian Federation and, despite all attempts, was unable to create copies of them with a similar or higher motor resource than the Russian Federation.
  13. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 19 July 2020 10: 14 New
    -11
    India has Mirage-2000, so they damage the PLA and cause
  14. bar
    bar 19 July 2020 10: 14 New
    +5
    The problem with Russian engines has been around since Soviet times.

    It is better for the Chinese with their "problem-free" engines to envy in silence. laughing
  15. irbis0373
    irbis0373 19 July 2020 10: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    Everyone has the right to criticism.

    Correct, but in this case, the criticism should be with arguments. Where are they in this article? Some mythical problems in engines have been named, and even from Soviet times.
  16. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 July 2020 10: 58 New
    +1
    The moaning of Chinese "experts" regularly flashes about the fact that Russian engines would help in the development of a Chinese fifth generation fighter.
  17. iouris
    iouris 19 July 2020 11: 11 New
    0
    All have Soviet engines, but I hear for the first time that planes can be shot down by publications on Sohu.
  18. Piramidon
    Piramidon 19 July 2020 11: 27 New
    -1
    Sohu is Sohu
  19. Andrey Zhukov
    Andrey Zhukov 19 July 2020 11: 42 New
    -1
    Interestingly, and which engines have a higher resource for al31f or p & wf135?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 12: 50 New
      0
      And what do you compare the 135 with the Al-31, when the Al-41 went into production long ago? Yes, the Americans have a higher resource and the race for 50 years did not allow them to catch up. In a similar situation, China will remain in relation to us for a long time.
  20. Alsur
    Alsur 19 July 2020 11: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Poetiszaugla
    It is possible to check this engine in air battles. The main problem is the preparation of the Indian flight crew.

    It seems to me that India is in a better position than China. Conflict with Pakistan, allows you to keep the Air Force in good shape.
  21. Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 19 July 2020 11: 49 New
    +8
    The Chinese only praise themselves
  22. Karaul73
    Karaul73 19 July 2020 11: 57 New
    -3
    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    The Chinese let them first make their engines comparable to ours from the 80s, then bark.


    Everyone has the right to criticism.

    You are now convinced that this is not the case. Pissing against the wind. Hooray patriots will vividly show you this.
  23. 501Legion
    501Legion 19 July 2020 12: 36 New
    0
    The Chinese would be better off keeping quiet about engines
  24. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 12: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: mvg
    WS-10D, WS-15A. And in 2-3 years the Russian Federation will be in the role of catch-up.


    In 15-20 years, if we don’t do anything at all.
  25. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 19 July 2020 12: 58 New
    -1
    Well, narrow-film amused, but why then copy these engines, sick
  26. viktor.
    viktor. 19 July 2020 13: 01 New
    -1
    Chinese experts !!! laughing Here the Chinese are burning !!! laughing good Let their expertise be done on their shanghai !!! And to whom in this World it came to the Chinese to sell Technologies ??? !!! These experts will still give GUNPOWDER to the whole world !!!! The USA will seem like angels !!!!
  27. mmaxx
    mmaxx 19 July 2020 13: 19 New
    -1
    Well, they gave the Chinese !!! They were given a license for these same engines in the 90s. In general, everything was passed. They couldn't do exactly the same. Neither resource nor power. We decided to continue to purchase from us.
    Apparently they brought their crafts to a level higher than Russian ones winked
  28. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 July 2020 13: 43 New
    -1
    And what, the Chinese with engines can all be thought of as tip-top?))
    They not only do not know how to do them, so even copy))
  29. Max Lebedev
    Max Lebedev 19 July 2020 14: 50 New
    +9
    Where do they think good engines are made?
  30. 5-9
    5-9 19 July 2020 16: 29 New
    -1
    Finally, the MKI is abruptly more than the Chinese MKK, and racially-faithful Han engines are directly the national blackhead popol ... The fact that gypsies add dancing shavings and servings to butter is another song ..
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 21: 48 New
      0
      That's right ICI is better ...
  31. Klingon
    Klingon 19 July 2020 16: 58 New
    -1
    just recently a vidos was exhibited here where there were training battles F-18D and Su-30MKM, the Malaysian Air Force, where the American pilot spoke very well about the maneuverability of the Su-30, in particular, noted canards and powerful engines with a controlled thrust vector ... so the Chinese here is very very disingenuous wassat
  32. ZVS
    ZVS 19 July 2020 22: 18 New
    0
    The Chinese no longer know how to shit Russian weapons in order to buy their blatant crap. And given their conflict with India, these sworn friends of Putin are trying to embroil Russia with India and cause significant damage to Russian-Indian military cooperation.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 20 July 2020 11: 51 New
      0
      The Chinese are still Carifans. By the way, the Chinese have moved their positions of ground strategic nuclear forces close to our border.
      1. ZVS
        ZVS 20 July 2020 19: 20 New
        0
        The pepper is clear that China will start a war with Russia if we are weak. These are still friends, it is worth taking the post of Secretary General in China to an idiot, like Mao, and war will be necessary.
  33. AML
    AML 24 July 2020 08: 49 New
    0
    We have received an assignment for development, we are adding an article to the VO, take a pencil and paper and write down comments.

    - Kinetic knocking down is problematic. Yes Yes. There was a case, we got tired. Cross out.
    - Laser. Yes, yes, the infection is heavy. We cross it out for now.
    - Shrapnel? Well, it is possible, but it seems not very technological. For now, check the box
    - A cover drone? Interesting. Let's put two checkboxes.

    We run to the management, we say that the preliminary study is already ready and we need 100500 million for the prototype.
    We are preparing an article about the preliminary performance characteristics and technical appearance and throw it into the VO ....

    And you say, research institutes, pundits. Yes, all this garbage. :)