In the US, outraged by the "similarity" of the Chinese stealth fighter J-31 with the American F-35

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The American media expressed outrage at the fact that the newest Chinese fighter J-31 "is becoming more and more similar in appearance to the F-35." Fox News said the new images of the fifth-generation Chinese fighter jet "indicate that Chinese spies are still doing their thing."

It was noted that in the United States, the activity of Chinese spies, including cyber espionage specialists, "is no longer surprising to anyone." At the same time, it is stated that China has already "taught this by its actions," but "you cannot turn a blind eye to espionage."



In the American media it is said that back in 2014, Chinese cyberattacks "allowed Beijing to get hold of some important technologies that the United States implemented on its F-35 fighters." It also cites an excerpt from a 2018 Pentagon report that some similarities between the J-31 stealth fighter and the F-35 "are likely the product of Chinese espionage against the United States."

At the same time, it adds that at least one component cannot be copied by China. We are talking about engines. As an example, the single-engine versions of the American F-35 and the twin-engine J-31 are given.

Experts are calling on the US authorities to "put an end to Chinese cyber espionage, which allows them to steal US military technology."

Recall that China creates the J-31 as a fifth-generation carrier-based aircraft. It is planned that aircraft carriers will be armed with such fighters, starting with Type 003. At the same time, in China itself, they are still talking about problems with engines, which so far do not allow the J-31 to be taken to sea trials.
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  1. -9
    18 July 2020 16: 51
    When I see the news about another copied weapon by the Chinese:
    1. SAG
      +10
      18 July 2020 20: 19
      Yes, the meaning of this news to discuss ?! It's even boring ... after the announcement that the Russians copied hypersonic weapons from the PDSIA, which have not yet been created there.
      1. -10
        19 July 2020 00: 40
        Long ago it was created - ballistic missiles of short, medium and long range are just hypersonic.
        1. SAG
          +4
          19 July 2020 11: 19
          It feels like the fingers are ahead of the brain .... Just to insert something. Do you think that the statement about copying hypersonic vehicles was about ballistic missiles ?! laughing Seriously? Rofl
        2. -6
          19 July 2020 15: 01
          Do we have any other hypersonic devices? Heard nothing about scrumjet trials request
          1. 0
            24 July 2020 09: 58
            Duc is. Even Americans are obviously accused of copying. Not about ballistic missiles because they said that. Ballistic they are not controllable during flight. And the whole trick of the latest developments is that they are not ballistic and controllable. Americans do not doubt that Russia has such (since they are accused of copying), do you?
            1. 0
              24 July 2020 19: 03
              Ballistic uncontrollable? There was Pershing-2, modern Iskander, ATACMS - guided by GPS or analog.
              The USA conducted tests of the X-51 "Waverider" (start from the B-52) in the second half of the 00-X. (Successfully)
              Where are our tests?
  2. +27
    18 July 2020 16: 51
    Eco unprecedented that the Chinese copied the F-35B, it would be surprising if the Chinese did not! laughing
    1. +15
      18 July 2020 17: 23
      Not that they copied, but even one more engine was stuck. Well, with this approach it was possible to compare with "Abrams", the engine also uses a turbine.
      1. +4
        18 July 2020 17: 47
        Fashion has gone to the United States to blame everything on China.
        But somehow they do it thoughtfully, without a twinkle.
        They probably think - what will fly back to them? hi
        1. 0
          18 July 2020 22: 31
          Quote: Finches
          Eco unprecedented that the Chinese copied the F-35B, it would be surprising if the Chinese did not! laughing

          It was enough to say "Eco is unprecedented that the Chinese have copied ..." laughing
      2. 0
        19 July 2020 00: 44
        They do not go with engines. On J - 11, the resource of engines is half that of Russian ones. So the F-135 could not be reproduced (power, size, reliability).
    2. +17
      18 July 2020 17: 24
      Well, what to do. Military-technical espionage is an unpleasant but natural continuation of the struggle of states for their security and military domination.
    3. +9
      18 July 2020 18: 18
      Quote: Finches
      Eco unprecedented that the Chinese copied the F-35B, it would be surprising if the Chinese did not!

      It would be surprising if the Americans copied the J-31 ... wassat
      1. +3
        18 July 2020 19: 40
        It will not be surprising if they themselves, instead of f, then buy j lol
        1. +2
          19 July 2020 00: 36
          The likelihood is that Russia will buy J-11 instead of Su-30, or J-21 instead of Su-57.
    4. +5
      18 July 2020 22: 03
      Quote: Finches
      Eco unprecedented that the Chinese copied the F-35B, it would be surprising if the Chinese did not! laughing

      Yes, the Chinese can't copy, it's not like them No.
      Incidentally, winked if the Chinese hadn’t invented gunpowder, there would have been more.
      1. 0
        19 July 2020 01: 11
        Quote: Terenin
        By the way, if the Chinese hadn't invented gunpowder, there would have been even more of them.

        What then did Berthold Schwartz invent?
        1. 0
          19 July 2020 06: 28
          And what did Edison invent? Never mind. He simply took that he was lying badly and attributed himself under the newfangled patent law. But with tyufengs, in Russian with tuffs, nukers Russia and eastern Europe already won long before the appearance of this monk
          1. 0
            19 July 2020 15: 11
            Edison used an incandescent filament, unlike then fashionable arc lamps, incl. at Lodygin. And in the actively developing USA, he had good chances to find financing and a sales market.
        2. +3
          19 July 2020 10: 02
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: Terenin
          By the way, if the Chinese hadn't invented gunpowder, there would have been even more of them.

          What then did Berthold Schwartz invent?

          And who is it?
          Wiki, don't offer stop
          1. +1
            19 July 2020 17: 59
            Quote: Terenin
            And who is it?
            Wiki, don't offer

            As English speakers say, Google is your friend.
            1. +4
              19 July 2020 18: 42
              Quote: Nagan
              Quote: Terenin
              And who is it?
              Wiki, don't offer

              As English speakers say, Google is your friend.

              You want to say that in this world only Google understands you perfectly winked

              By the way, Atlantis, Shakespeare’s secret diaries and Mozart’s unreleased album were found using Google laughing
  3. +13
    18 July 2020 16: 55
    The American media expressed outrage at the fact that the newest Chinese fighter J-31 "is becoming more and more similar in appearance to the F-35"

    And what, the laws of aerodynamics in China are different than behind the puddle? belay
    1. +1
      18 July 2020 17: 19
      Quote: Lipchanin
      The American media expressed outrage at the fact that the newest Chinese fighter J-31 "is becoming more and more similar in appearance to the F-35"

      And what, the laws of aerodynamics in China are different than behind the puddle? belay

      The laws of aerodynamics are one. The laws of elementary decency are different. By the way about the Chinese approach to copying military equipment. Agree to look at a cross between a "bulldog and a rhinoceros" laughing Yes, there were moments when the USSR copied the B-29 and turned it into a Tu 4. And I can even say why Stalin ordered it to be done. To raise the culture of production. To teach through can’t. So there was really copying. There is no copying. There is crossbreeding wassat
      1. +11
        18 July 2020 17: 24
        Remember the Tu-144 and the Concorde were very different? Even then, the noise stood at who, what "rested"
      2. +1
        18 July 2020 17: 29
        Quote: Observer2014
        There is no copying, there is crossing.

        Moreover, in America they shouted about Chinese hackers who hacked the DAPRA server with drawings and specifications of new products (it turns out there was everything about f22 / 35, promising ships, armored vehicles) in the years 2008 - 2012, then they broke the server of the manufacturer f22 / 35 - they accused Russians, then Chinese ...
        1. +1
          18 July 2020 17: 34
          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: Observer2014
          There is no copying, there is crossing.

          Moreover, in America they shouted about Chinese hackers who hacked the DAPRA server with drawings and specifications of new products (it turns out there was everything about f22 / 35, promising ships, armored vehicles) in the years 2008 - 2012, then they broke the server of the manufacturer f22 / 35 - they accused Russians, then Chinese ...

          And who doesn’t care what broke and stole. But you must agree, it's cool to see F with an engine from Su. Where would we see this? Except in the dreams of a surrealist. And this concerns oh, how much of the Chinese military industry.
          1. +1
            18 July 2020 17: 43
            Quote: Observer2014
            And who doesn’t care what broke and stole. But you must agree, it's cool to see F with an engine from Su. Where would we see this? Except in the dreams of a surrealist. And this concerns oh, how much of the Chinese military industry.

            remember the anecdote about the finalization with a file / file?
            The Americans bought a new fighter from the Russians. Collected - it turned out a torpedo boat. Dismantled, assembled - boat. Dismantled, assembled - boat. They call for Russian help, they say, it doesn’t work. The Russians send their specialist, he is locked in the hangar. Three days later he opens the gate - there is a fighter. The Americans are perplexed, it turned out the same boat. Russian: “it’s written in the instructions - before assembling the parts to process the file.”

            The Japanese stole the drawings of the tank from the Russians. Collected - fighter. Disassembled, assembled - fighter. Disassembled, assembled - fighter. They kidnapped a Russian specialist, placed him in a lab, said: "What you want to do, we give you protection from the KGB, and your place of residence in Japan, and as much money as you want, just collect, otherwise we only have a fighter." I took the special drawings, turned it over and over, then called the Japanese engineers and said: “Do you see the footnote? It is written - after assembly, the product should be finished with a file. "

            The Americans stole the drawings of the fighter from the Russians. Collected - a steam locomotive. Dismantled, assembled - a steam locomotive! What to do, they stole a Russian specialist. The specialist takes the drawing, looks, looks and says: "In the same place below in small print: after assembly, process with a file."

            The only thing - Everything would be fine, but the culture of shooting marks production is lame in our country, and this rule still rules there - modify it with a file / file and do not give a damn that the price tag goes over 30-40 percent, the same about improvements - I don’t like to buy at his own expense, then some kind of shpak comes with a check and begins to shake his nerves with his cry - like, get everything back, but give me the scope, I’m more like it, yeah (2 Baku) from a low start.
            1. -1
              18 July 2020 17: 45
              PSih2097 (Alexander Latvian)
              remember the anecdote about the finalization with a file / file?
              Yes laughing Of course I remember. I myself remembered him a bunch of times on this site. lol
          2. +3
            18 July 2020 19: 27
            Come on. In the history of aviation, and not so happened. There were Messerschmitts with Rolls-Royce engines, MiGs with Nin engines, and Mirages with Phantom engines ...
      3. 0
        18 July 2020 17: 35
        Quote: Observer2014
        The laws of aerodynamics are the same; the laws of elementary decency are different.

        laughing good
      4. +5
        18 July 2020 18: 00
        No, the Chinese don't copy what you are!
        How can you say that their J-15 is "vaguely similar" to the Su-33 or Su-27K?
        And there is nothing close!
        Completely, 130%, purely specifically Chinese development!
        And J-31 only remotely looks like a penguin. ))
      5. +2
        18 July 2020 19: 28
        Do not forget MODU! Aviation, like cars, is subject to waves of similar decisions.
      6. +1
        18 July 2020 20: 10
        Even the camera of one of the pilots was included in the configuration of the aircraft laughing
      7. SAG
        +5
        18 July 2020 20: 11
        Yes, there were moments when the USSR copied the B-29. And turned it into a Tu-4. And I can even say why Stalin ordered it. To raise the culture of production. To teach through can’t. So there was really copying

        Minus you for not studying the hardware .... There was just an adaptation to the Soviet metric and not stupid copying, many nodes had to be revised due to the difference in standards. And the copy order was due to the urgency. A nuclear war was on the verge and there was no right to make a mistake in creating a nuclear weapons delivery vehicle.
        1. +1
          18 July 2020 23: 20
          There was just adaptation to the Soviet metric and not stupid copying


          We have a scout, they have "spies". If we are "adaptation", if someone else is shameless copying. laughing
          All steal and copy. Americans and Chinese are no exception. Like us.
          This is an impudent Soviet Yak-23 stolen from under the nose during tests in the USA. And then also insolently returned.
          1. +3
            19 July 2020 01: 35
            Quote: dauria
            This is an impudent Soviet Yak-23 stolen from under the nose during tests in the USA. And then also insolently returned.

            First, not Soviet, but Romanian. Secondly, not stolen, but driven to Yugoslavia by a Romanian who decided to dump to the west. And since Tito then had graters with Stalin, he gave the Americans to use it to spoil the advice. After all the tests, he was returned to the Yugoslavs, and those, respectively, to the Romanians. And where is there "in the impudent"?
  4. +9
    18 July 2020 17: 01
    Who here on the site a couple of days ago was indignant that the West and the United States would pinch China's tail for not licensed use of software, production of machine tools and equipment. They say America will impose sanctions, so what? Imposed? Yes, I put a bunch in my pants. Only indignation and calls to put an end to the Chinese arbitrariness "And Vaska listens, but eats ..."
    1. 0
      18 July 2020 19: 19
      Yeah, there was one individual here. I wrote about ARM.
      1. 0
        18 July 2020 19: 45
        Quote: zwlad
        Yeah, there was one individual here. I wrote about ARM.

        Rabetel for US good.
  5. +2
    18 July 2020 17: 07
    The Chinese are giggling shyly now.
    1. -1
      18 July 2020 19: 46
      Quote: Welldone
      The Chinese are giggling shyly now.

      Or maybe Gee! Gee! at full throat.
  6. +6
    18 July 2020 17: 09
    We copied this based on the principle:
    "The F-35 has two wings, and the J-31 has two wings, two keels, three landing gear rods - and in general - the J-31 also flies" - so copied :)
    So what? :)
    Clowns are these Americans.
    1. +1
      18 July 2020 17: 25
      And there is also a cockpit in which the pilot sits lol
    2. 0
      18 July 2020 19: 49
      Quote: megafair
      We copied this based on the principle:
      "The F-35 has two wings, and the J-31 has two wings, two keels, three landing gear rods - and in general, the J-31 also flies" - so copied

      Car too, 4 wheels and steering wheel - read the copy. Shouting can not be proved. Here is the tale.
  7. +2
    18 July 2020 17: 13
    And what motors on it are not RD-33/93? They have access to them. Together with Pakov build a Leopard with RD-93
  8. +1
    18 July 2020 17: 18
    back in 2014, Chinese cyberattacks “allowed Beijing to get some important technology

    Yankees, put Casper on your computers. laughing
    1. +2
      18 July 2020 19: 21
      Yeah. Right. Casper So that computers become buggy.
      1. 0
        19 July 2020 11: 23
        Quote: zwlad
        Yeah. Right. Casper So that computers become buggy.

        Don't listen to Xperds. I have been using it for 12 years and no glitches.
        1. 0
          19 July 2020 22: 32
          There were 2 attempts to make friends with him. Both were unsuccessful. As a result, I use antivirus from another manufacturer
  9. +1
    18 July 2020 17: 20
    They can sue in an American court
  10. +4
    18 July 2020 17: 22
    Never was this, and here again.
  11. +2
    18 July 2020 17: 47
    Little of. They still fly in the same sky as the Americans, under the same Sun and Moon. They have to pay the Americans for it, or take a patent. They also use wings and stuff. The Americans never steal anything, they just owe them everything.
  12. 0
    18 July 2020 17: 58
    Is such an outrage most of all what ???
    That all sorts of guardians of secrets, stripes, "do not catch mice", but are engaged in fig knows what .... which is not surprising, given their budgets!
  13. +2
    18 July 2020 17: 58
    Water in a mortar ... They will copy everything that is possible and what is impossible ... Regardless. I am afraid to sell the installations to them. They will distort, do not frown. They didn’t even really hide it when they exhibited at their exhibition.
  14. +2
    18 July 2020 18: 16
    Handles, legs, cucumber, - It turned out a little man! What will these points see, What will these pens build, How far will these legs Lead him, How will he live in the world - We are not responsible for this: We drew him, That's all! "What are you, what are you! It is very important that he grows up brave, He himself was able to find the way, Calculate the run. It is difficult, it is difficult, But otherwise it is impossible: Only in this way a man will emerge from a man!" However, even children know How to live in this world; Easier than this question There is nothing! You just have to be truthful, Noble, fair, Smart, honest, strong, kind - That's all!
  15. +4
    18 July 2020 18: 47
    I was in China and I perfectly understand the tactics of this country! Copy-paste is everything for China! The Chinese themselves are not particularly creative and do not shine with breakthrough ideas, but they can make a good copy! And this is the danger of this country !! By stealing technologies and buying out ready-made solutions, China saves a lot on R&D !! they don't have to invest heavily in it! Just cheap and cheerful! Moreover, all full-cycle production in their country, thanks to the transfer of production by transnational campaigns !! As one Chinese man told me, during the day at the factory of the ARMANI brand they sew clothes under this brand for Europe, and at night at the same factory, from the same material, they sew clothes of the same style but under the brand name of Fun Yan for the local market and at a much cheaper price! ! That's how it works in this country !! It is foolish and not far-sighted to admire China!
    1. 0
      19 July 2020 00: 36
      In ancient times, Europe copied Chinese porcelain, walked, paper, gunpowder ... Only in Europe began to produce firearms, and China launched fireworks - this is the difference in approach to technology - you may not have time to copy weapons and lose the war. Buying ready-made solutions is very similar to buying a doctoral dissertation from a "dissertation specialist" - there are more "doctors of sciences" in the country than places in the Academy of Sciences ... I remember how "Japanese gunsmiths" copied the arquebus - the breech of this sample was closed with a plug on the thread, the Japanese did not know how to cut a thread ... until a master gunsmith from Europe came to Japan for permanent residence, it was not possible to cut a thread. An example about that - when you come across a product and do not know how it was made ...
  16. -2
    18 July 2020 18: 56
    And who cares about this indignation, the Chinese for this .......... from a big mountain.
    And the striped ones themselves have so much restrained the development in the 90s that they had to create an office in order to at least a little understand, so that they would shut up and shut up in a rag.
    1. 0
      18 July 2020 19: 18
      hi In place of the Chinese, I would answer the Americans with their own style:
      "Your children are suspiciously similar to ours, the same number of limbs, only less brains"
  17. +1
    18 July 2020 19: 04
    This American "SMERSH" does not work well.
    1. 0
      19 July 2020 07: 51
      Well, laugh, SMERSH, and even American. Here's a scream. In SMERSH in the first place is the head, and then physics, and in the striped ones in the first place is the Colt trigger, so yours do not dance.
  18. -1
    18 July 2020 19: 34
    I doubt that the Chinese will be so flawed and at the same time so expensive ...
  19. +1
    18 July 2020 19: 35
    And Cho resent? And your shit, and frost of the same plan.
  20. 0
    18 July 2020 19: 36
    Experts are calling on the US authorities to "put an end to Chinese cyber espionage, which allows them to steal US military technology."

    Who are these experts and who and how in the "American authorities" are they calling on?
  21. -1
    18 July 2020 19: 45
    It is strange that the Americans only now "saw and were outraged by the similarity"! tongue For a long time, the Chinese have first bought several pieces of equipment, and then copy the ones they like! hi
    And they spat on "international public opinion"! lol
  22. 0
    18 July 2020 19: 46
    Quote: ZeevZeev
    Come on. In the history of aviation, and not so happened. There were Messerschmitts with Rolls-Royce engines, MiGs with Nin engines, and Mirages with Phantom engines ...

    And the Mirage was with an RD-33 engine.
  23. -1
    18 July 2020 20: 05
    Fox News says that the new images of the fifth-generation Chinese fighter “indicate that Chinese spies continue to do their job” opened up America. This is when the Lags started rolling out in commodity quantities. And why did this happen, the price of the issue for Wehrmacht squadrons. I I will say so, it is difficult for us, but not critical, but the Wehrmacht after holding defensive battles was greatly suppressed.
    About their defense - in a nutshell ----- a knife in butter. The Germans knew about the successes of the Russian General Staff. But meeting with these successes did not bode well for them. The red artillery hammer and the Russkaya smash hit so that there was no time for complete reports .But some clerks of the German divisions knew their job and did their duty to the end. Thanks to them, you can see how the combined teams of the SS divisions fell on officers in general. A desperate gang of riflemen retreated to Berlin UR. Already not moto, no longer with the support of even regimental artillery. It seems like they occupied a very wealthy area, in engineering terms, but they did not take into account the only ...! An army of fathers was going to storm them, taking revenge for the death of their sons. And in the Russian General Staff, the Fathers sat at the cards and numerical developments. They ordered the nominal one to destroy the Nazi reptile from the earth, air ..... and from the sea
  24. 0
    18 July 2020 20: 07
    Two wings, two tails, and in the middle ... a Chinese man sits!
    Guess what it is ???
    1. +3
      19 July 2020 00: 29
      Two wings,


      Hmm ... actually the plane has one wing. wink Two is the chicken.
      1. +1
        19 July 2020 11: 04
        A very wise thought .... I guess. See how it was checked out. I put a plus ..... probably.
        1. +1
          19 July 2020 11: 46
          I put a plus ..... probably

          Plus I give you back, it is a sin to "minus" just a cheerful person.
          Well, the "thought" is not wise. It's just that "two wings" hurts the ear if the teachers at one time corrected you with a menacing look. Like a hole for a bolt. And so yes - at the airfield it turned out that no one cares - there is both a left wing and a right wing. And "Chasse", not "Chasse". In vain did old man Nedbailo try to teach us, even though he was twice a Hero. laughing
          By the way, when you imagine a wing as a single plate, to which a tail is stuck, if necessary, it is easier to understand what is happening to it.
          1. 0
            19 July 2020 12: 26
            The theory of aircraft, of course, was given to us ... only for other purposes. Not in order to know how it flies, but just the opposite, that it would not fly where it is not supposed to. The specifics of the training, however.
            And so, about the left, right .... no longer write that in the middle of a hole! They already have pilots, a different color scheme, but this is no longer important.
  25. -1
    18 July 2020 21: 18
    Previously, they did not notice that they were similar. So you can take away laurels from the Baltic states on the "brakes".
  26. 0
    18 July 2020 22: 32
    Chinese fighter J-31 "is becoming increasingly more like"

    fighter
  27. 0
    18 July 2020 23: 22
    So the Americans were the first to make an airplane that flies at all. Back in 1904. Therefore, their fate is such that everyone around them steals everything. Starting from the very first plane.
  28. Kuz
    +10
    18 July 2020 23: 32
    With their experience of copying, it would be surprising if it didn't look the same.
  29. 0
    19 July 2020 00: 45
    But they could not copy the F-135, as well as the most technically complex modification B.
  30. -1
    19 July 2020 01: 14
    [quote] Fox News says the new images of the fifth-generation Chinese fighter "show that Chinese spies continue to do their thing." / quote]
    American journalism is becoming shallow, as is diplomacy. Alternatively, they generally do not consider their readers capable of critical thinking. Chinese spies did their job five years ago, and given the timing of development of this level, then all ten. At the same time, the elves do not even try to convey to readers that industrial espionage in military affairs is the norm and the responsibility lies with those who have not kept their secrets. This also applies to our pen workers. To accuse someone of copying and stealing technologies is just a scrubbing of the air, especially since copying an aircraft released in a different metric system is tantamount to releasing a new aircraft. It is generally impossible to hear about technology without a smile.
  31. -2
    19 July 2020 01: 46
    And the Chinese put on this indignation, and even in large heaps !!!
  32. 0
    19 July 2020 07: 43
    Did the penguins in Antarctica lose anything?
  33. 0
    19 July 2020 10: 25
    Where do the engine legs on the f-35 grow from? Americans at one time gained access to Yakovlev’s vertical lines, in particular the Yak-141. So they would be silent about copy-paste!
  34. 0
    19 July 2020 10: 50
    Well, you will take from these schizophrenics clients 6 wards if the mattress covers are fuckers then they stay for life fuckers
  35. 0
    19 July 2020 11: 15
    Copy right is a fundamental right. Does anyone pay China to use the wheels, paper, gunpowder, rockets, porcelain, silk ... invented there?
  36. 0
    19 July 2020 19: 08
    Strange, though typical of the American media. Didn't bother to ask how the notorious F-35B was created. That at first in the early to mid-90s there was a "small" cooperation between Lockheed and Yakovlev's design bureau with his developments on the Yak-141. The time was like this: the homeland was sold wholesale and retail. After that, having adopted all the necessary developments and technologies, they quietly abandoned cooperation. Technology theft in its purest form in a "co-production" wrapper. Simply put: they promised, took what they needed and threw it.
  37. 0
    24 July 2020 09: 59
    And let the Yankees stop producing non-licensed AK.