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"Putin should enter the game and cool the warlike fervor of some": Western readers on the conflict in the Caucasus

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A new round of the Armenian-Azerbaijani armed conflict is being discussed not only in the post-Soviet space, but also in the press of the so-called far abroad. Not the first pages of foreign publications are given to the coverage of events on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but the discussion is still underway. At the same time, the media of different countries and the conflict itself are treated differently.


The German newspaper Die Zeit writes that the peace process, which began in 2016, threatens to collapse completely. The publication notes that in recent days the situation in Transcaucasia has seriously escalated: during the shootout, 11 Azerbaijani soldiers, including the general, were killed, and 4 people were lost on the Armenian side. The German author rightly points out that the rhetoric of Baku and Yerevan does not change at the same time: each of the parties accuses the opponent of armed provocation and an attempt to reignite the conflict with renewed vigor, removing responsibility from itself.

From the material:

Thousands of protesters called for a military offensive against Armenia in the Azerbaijani capital Baku on Wednesday evening.

It is noted that militaristic statements are heard from the capital of Armenia, Yerevan.

Here are some comments from readers of the German newspaper



princline:
And Erdogan now sparkles on every corner. His foreign minister said that Azerbaijan will not be left without Turkish support.

Glücksgefühl:

And is not Turkey ashamed to speak about support of Azerbaijan against Armenia, which committed the Armenian genocide?

A reader under the nickname Comandore noted that forceful methods are unacceptable in such a situation, recalling how Mikhail Saakashvili tried to resolve the issue with South Ossetia with the help of weapons.

And a reader under the nickname Kuwa21, commenting on the material, writes that Nikol Pashinyan was generally going to achieve the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia. The reader adds: "I wonder if the Russian army leaves Armenia, the EU and NATO will help this country?"

The French newspaper Le Figaro writes that as a result of the fighting, Armenia and Azerbaijan lost "at least 16 people." The publication cites mutually exclusive statements by the Armenian and Azerbaijani military, saying that both sides declare their own "victories", although in such a situation this word is least suitable for each of the parties to the conflict. Le Figaro notes that the conflict is extremely worrisome to Russia, since it actually takes place on the southern Russian borders.

"Putin should enter the game and cool the warlike fervor of some": Western readers on the conflict in the Caucasus


Several comments on the publication in French Le Figaro



The mask:

Putin should get in the game and cool the warlike fervor of some.

TEOMAN777:

Armenians, Azerbaijanis, make peace!

Phoenix arsenal

We need to send Turkish drones to destroy the Russian defense systems, like in Libya. It's time to teach this Armenia a good lesson.

Erwann_:

Let France do the same as in 1920, guaranteeing the safety of the Armenians.


Voennoye Obozreniye asks readers, when writing comments to this material, not to forget about correctness and mutual respect.
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Ministry of Defense of Armenia, Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 July 2020 13: 32 New
    18
    Armenians, Azerbaijanis, make peace!
    laughing Naive Western guys. They have no idea about this conflict. There is now enmity for centuries to come.
    Let France do the same as in 1920, guaranteeing the safety of the Armenians.
    Times have changed. Who would guarantee the safety of France itself. If it this France will try to get into it with its guarantees.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 18 July 2020 13: 40 New
      34
      They want to incite Russia into an unnecessary conflict.

      I personally support the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia. I foresee criticism of members of the forum)))
      It is necessary to withdraw it, because political games have begun in Armenia around Russian military bases. Started long ago.
      I think the current Armenian government is pro-American.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 18 July 2020 14: 09 New
        18
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I think the current Armenian government is pro-American.

        And where is the pro-Russian government? Yes, there are none .. It will not take long to withdraw .. Gorbachev brought it up and the results are known ..
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 18 July 2020 16: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I think the current Armenian government is pro-American.

          And where is the pro-Russian government? Yes, there are none .. It will not take long to withdraw .. Gorbachev brought it up and the results are known ..

          I fully support you in this matter, my colleague soldier It cannot be otherwise, and let us be oppositionists. Let them see and read it. Who is who. And no "go away" "Got gone" already.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 18 July 2020 23: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Ilya-spb
            They want to incite Russia into an unnecessary conflict.
            I personally support the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia. I foresee criticism of members of the forum)))

            What criticism?
            There is no benefit for Russia.
            Conflict - not extinguish. This means that there will be no results of our actions. There is no need to go there.
            The fact that we have traditionally supported one side with weapons will continue to be so. We'll give you the weapon. But our troops have no need to get into this meat grinder.
        2. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 18 July 2020 17: 08 New
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I think the current Armenian government is pro-American.

          And where is the pro-Russian government? Yes, there are none .. It will not take long to withdraw .. Gorbachev brought it up and the results are known ..

          To withdraw, of course, not long ... And then what will happen ?! recourse Rockets at nuclear power plants ?! to start... ?
          The results will be deplorable ... for everyone ... let it be better to "freeze" the conflict ... you see, in 100-200 years, in another reality, something may happen for the better ...
        3. VyacheSeymour
          VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 09: 02 New
          +1
          Gorbachev summed it up and the results are known ..

          Well, under Gorbachev there was more likely not a withdrawal of troops, but a flight! ..- so the troops are not withdrawn !!!
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 July 2020 14: 59 New
        12
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        They want to incite Russia into an unnecessary conflict.

        and more actively.
        The other day I read an article from the Carnegie Moscow Center that Russia should move away from its "conservative strategy" expressed in the phrase "We cannot force the parties to make a decision and we cannot put pressure on them."

        They want Russia to be more active. For Moscow to take on all the negative consequences, and to take advantage of its actions by the "collective West"
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        2. genisis
          genisis 18 July 2020 19: 59 New
          +4
          Here is this article by Thomas de Waal from 22/02/2018.
          https://carnegie.ru/commentary/75616
          Where did you manage to find that "Russia owes something to someone"?
      3. genisis
        genisis 18 July 2020 15: 21 New
        15
        The current Armenian government is pro-Armenian, as it should be in any normal state. Since Pashinyan came to power, reports have not stopped at the VO that now Armenia will withdraw from the EAEU and the CSTO, ask the military to leave the base in Gyumri, and so on. The only proof was that there is a huge American embassy in Armenia. Several years have passed, and none of the "prophecies" have come true. Moreover, relations between the Russian Federation and Armenia developed better than under the previous Armenian government. Armenia received SU-30SM, which are not sold to countries of whose reliability they are not sure. I sent my sappers to Syria. Since yesterday, he has been taking part, together with the military of the Russian Federation of the 102nd base in Gyumri, in the exercises announced by the Russian Federation in the Southern Military District. The "Armenia" FSB border department continues to carry out intelligence activities against Turkey and Iran, based on the territory of Armenia.
        However, experts believe that the 102nd base should be withdrawn from Armenia, naively assuming that they want to drag the Russian Federation into some kind of conflict. However, the presence of Russian troops on the territory of Armenia allows the Russian Federation to project power beyond the Caucasian ridge, increasing the influence of the Russian Federation in this direction. If there are no Russian troops in Armenia, then the "soft" power pressure of the Russian Federation will end at the Georgia-Azerbaijan border, giving an opportunity for Turkish influence to spread close to its borders.
        Despite the fact that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict has been going on with varying degrees of intensity since 1990, not a single Russian military has ever been involved in this conflict over these 30 years.
        So in what conflict and who is trying to involve the Russian Federation?
        And where do you need to move Base 102? To Taimyr? Or to Antarctica to project power onto the penguins?
        1. georgiigennadievitch
          georgiigennadievitch 18 July 2020 17: 21 New
          +3
          Let the Armenian government be pro-Armenian. (I would like to believe in this, but somehow it does not work out with Pashinyan). In general, the Russian leadership should be pro-Russian. Foreign policy should pursue precisely Russian interests, and not someone else's. So So, Russia's most important interest is to preserve peace. As Russian Prime Minister Stolypin once said, give us 20 years of peace and you will not recognize Russia. Therefore, given his position and influence in the country, he was killed in order to drag Russia into an unnecessary war that ended in catastrophe for Anglo-French interests under the untenable pretext of protecting Orthodox Serbian brothers. So, the implementation of Russian strategic plans takes time and peace. What is happening now? Armenia is a member of the CSTO. If a military attack is made on it (outside of Nagorno-Karabakh, which Russia considers part of Azerbaijan), then Russia and other CSTO countries should provide military assistance to Armenia. Erdogan-Ottoman Turkey is a member of NATO. She is eager to climb into the Caucasus for its further conquest and is ready to take part in the conflict on the side of Azerbaijan. Under certain conditions and with the arrogance of the Turks, this may well lead to a big war, maybe even a world one and maybe even nuclear, where Russia can be pulled by the Azerbaijani-Armenian showdown for interests alien to it and completely against its wishes. Both of these countries have shown themselves to be absolutely incapable of negotiation. They have resisted like rams since the 90s of the last century and are not ready to make any compromises. everyone and everyone, including Russia, is to blame for this. Armenians reproach it for its pro-Azerbaijani position, and Azerbaijanis for its pro-Armenian position. In these conditions, Russia should be guided only by its own interests. It would be good to stop persuading the Azeris and Armenians to live peacefully (they are on these persuasions simply spit), but to deliver an ultimatum that in the event of an escalation of the conflict, Russia will not participate in anyone's to the side, will not present to anyone weapons, ammunition and military and strategic goods, and no country will not allow this, withdraws its troops from Armenia and suspends all previously signed agreements with both countries up to real peaceful regulation in the region. Pashinyan really wants to fight at the head of his nationalists, then let them shoot and bomb and cut each other at their own peril and risk. But when they run out of either soldiers or cartridges and the parties become more accommodating, then put them at the same table and dictate them conditions of peace.
          1. flicker
            flicker 18 July 2020 19: 57 New
            0
            then Russia and other CSTO countries should provide military assistance to Armenia.
            CSTO: Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan .. no
            In fact, only Russia.
            I think we will be able to convince both Azerbaijan and Armenia (especially since it is in their interests).
            But if Turkey twitches, then, perhaps, winked will receive a tambourine. angry
            ---
            But many people want to unleash a war there.
            But, if our arguments for the Armenians and Azerbaijanis do not seem convincing, then ... let them crush their populations to the delight of the Turks and Pindocam
          2. Seminol
            Seminol 18 July 2020 19: 59 New
            0
            That is, you offer Russia to leave the South Caucasus, considering that it is in the interests of Russia. Did I understand you correctly?
        2. Slavs
          Slavs 18 July 2020 22: 07 New
          0
          Quote: genisis
          "Armenia" FSB border department continues to carry out intelligence activities

          And carries out the protection and protection of the state border of Armenia ...
          1. genisis
            genisis 19 July 2020 00: 56 New
            +1
            At the time of the conclusion of the agreement on 30/09/1992, this was extremely relevant in relation to the elder brother of Azerbaijan - Turkey. With regard to Turkey, this is still relevant now. At the same time, Russian border guards also control the Meghri border crossing on the border with Iran. I do not see an urgent need to protect the Armenian-Iranian border. However, I do not see any other possibility for land-based interaction between the Russian Federation and Turkey and Iran either.
            So the benefit, in my opinion, is mutual.
            1. Slavs
              Slavs 20 July 2020 08: 36 New
              +1
              Quote: genisis
              I do not see an urgent need to protect the Armenian-Iranian border.

              It will not be possible to guard the border on the principle - here is a guard, but not here .... Through the "hole" with Iran, everything will creep in and out ...
              Therefore, we guard everything))
      4. ankir13
        ankir13 18 July 2020 16: 57 New
        +1
        The gentlemen are given the American dollar, about whom do you think they will be? Excuse me, have you heard the name of Armenian money?
      5. alexmach
        alexmach 18 July 2020 17: 34 New
        +3
        I agree with everything except
        I personally support the withdrawal of Russian troops from Armenia
      6. the finish
        the finish 18 July 2020 21: 07 New
        -1
        I think Armenia should issue a rent invoice for finding the base. Even Tajikistan pays for the base, and in Armenia it is free.
        1. Slavs
          Slavs 18 July 2020 22: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: finish
          I think Armenia should issue a rent invoice for finding the base. Even Tajikistan pays for the base, and in Armenia it is free.

          So maybe Armenia itself should guard its borders ?? Or are we going to protect them and pay for it ??
        2. VyacheSeymour
          VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 09: 17 New
          0
          Even Tajikistan is paid by the Russian Federation for the base, while in Armenia it is free.

          So Armenia needs it more!
    2. loki565
      loki565 18 July 2020 13: 42 New
      +6
      Times have changed. Who would guarantee the safety of France itself. If it this France will try to get into it with its guarantees.

      Turkey had already taught the French a lesson when they tried to inspect her ship. Now the French are trying to revenge in Armenia
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 18 July 2020 14: 08 New
        +4
        As Aliyev noted- * there were thousands on the streets who were ready * to the bitter end *, and about a hundred came to the military registration and enlistment offices *.
        The understanding that if the conflict is resolved, then only with blood Azerbaijan has, but the Armenians have a frenzy and hope for the United States, and of those six million Armenians who live in RUSSIA.
        The history of the creation of what Armenians call Armenia today is very interesting.
        It is worth remembering the atrocities of Armenians in the rear of the RUSSIAN ARMY during WWI.
        It is worth remembering how and for what the Armenians fought during the Civil War. There it comes out.
        1. Alexga
          Alexga 18 July 2020 14: 14 New
          +3
          One should not forget the not so distant events, when in the 70s Armenian nationalists blew up the train of the Moscow metro. Then a group of children died.
        2. genisis
          genisis 18 July 2020 15: 34 New
          +4
          The understanding that if the conflict is resolved, then only with blood Azerbaijan has, but the Armenians have a frenzy and hope for the United States, and of those six million Armenians who live in RUSSIA.

          Do you think the Armenians hope to resolve the conflict with those who disfigured the corpses of the elderly in April 2016, took pictures with the head of a young soldier cut off, through dancing and playing backgammon? “Burnout and hope for the USA” is simply an unreasonable set of words. The United States in this region for all the time of its existence has not been marked by participation even once. If we are talking about the Woodrow Wilson Arbitral Award (I'm not sure you've heard of it, but let's say), the United States accepted it at the request of the victorious countries in the First World War.
          It is worth remembering the atrocities of the Armenians in the rear of the Russian Army. Yes? And what can you tell about those atrocities? And why do we need to remember precisely these atrocities, and not the atrocities of the Cossacks of General Shkuro, for example?
          Please tell us how and for what “terrible” did the Armenians fight in the Civil War, that it already “crawls out”? )
          1. wmn5500
            wmn5500 18 July 2020 16: 12 New
            +1
            David! Have you forgotten Khojaly ?!
            1. genisis
              genisis 19 July 2020 01: 08 New
              0
              Vugar, what are you talking about now? About the exit of your column of refugees, in which armed men were forced in, who destroyed the Armenian post near the village of Nakhchivanik, which then came under fire from the neighboring post?
              Or about the convoy, which was unlucky enough to reach the detachment of Yakub Rzayev, which was controlled by Tamerlan Karaev, 700 meters from the Azerbaijani positions?
              1. wmn5500
                wmn5500 19 July 2020 18: 32 New
                0
                About the exit of your column of refugees, in which armed men were forced in, who destroyed the Armenian post near the village of Nakhchivanik, which then came under fire from the neighboring post?
                Well, at least so, you admit that innocent people were shot by the Armenians!
                Or about the convoy, which was unlucky enough to reach the detachment of Yakub Rzayev, which was controlled by Tamerlan Karaev, 700 meters from the Azerbaijani positions?

                I didn’t think that Kalashnikov assault rifles were capable of leaving burns at a distance of 700 m. But practically all the corpses of refugees had gunshot wounds with burns like shooting at close range!
                1. genisis
                  genisis 19 July 2020 20: 41 New
                  -1
                  peaceful people

                  If civilians destroy a post with a machine gunner and machine gunner, then why arm them at all?

                  I did not think that Kalashnikov assault rifles

                  Vugar, you again do not see the forest behind the trees. You should have thought, how could the Armenians, seven hundred meters from the positions of the detachment of Yakub Rzayev, shoot and then cause post-mortal injuries to the Meskhetian Turks who fled from Khojaly? After all, such things in the predawn hours, and even in February, when it is quite foggy in the morning, would take several hours, which would be more than enough for Rzayev’s detachment to send the patrol forward, find out that compatriots need help, and then defeat the Armenians. However, this did not happen. Either the members of the Rzayev detachment who had settled on the Shelley farm were deaf, or they did it themselves.
                  According to the memoirs of contemporaries, Yakub Rzayev did not suffer deafness.
                  1. wmn5500
                    wmn5500 19 July 2020 21: 39 New
                    +1
                    David do you think 700 m. Is this a small distance? And where were the Armenian posts? If at 700 meters they were not at what distance were they? However, the Armenians could have their secrets, secret posts at such a distance and shoot civilians with impunity. In general, it is surprising that no matter what happens, the Armenian side never takes responsibility! Azerbaijanis and Turks are guilty all the time! We started the conflict, we also committed genocide, the last exacerbation is naturally what we are, but what else! Doesn’t suggest the idea that the first victim of the war is always the truth ?! One thing I can say with confidence as an axiom is no in the world and there will be absolutely right and wrong. There is no people and will not be with absolute evil and absolute good! How can there be no white without black, how can there be no minus without a plus! Each affirming his own truth, as a rule, comes to the right of the other, and then another truth appears that is almost worse than the opposing one. But the genocide in Khojaly was undoubtedly staged by the Armenians. In this, how would you not want to justify your compatriots, no one has any doubt !!!
                    1. genisis
                      genisis 19 July 2020 21: 59 New
                      +1
                      Vugar, the events of July 12-15, 2020 began when the Armenian Armed Forces, with the forces of the 3rd Army Corps under the leadership of Grigory Khachaturov, advanced forward, riding the Sevkar height, from which they now control the entire eastern part of Tavush. Together with the successes achieved by the 3 army corps in this area last year, the situation has changed dramatically in geostrategic terms.
                      Hence the fierce attempts of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces to return the lost.
                      By the way, the positions occupied by the Armenians were empty, there were no Azerbaijani soldiers there. Therefore, a UAZ having left for a new Armenian position fell on small arms with the Azerbaijani military. Yours were sure that no one was in that position. When it became clear what perspective the Armenians received, the military leadership of Azerbaijan decided to use artillery and armored combat vehicles, but the position remained with the Armenians.
                      1. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 19 July 2020 23: 20 New
                        0
                        By the way, the positions occupied by the Armenians were empty, there were no Azerbaijani soldiers there. Therefore, the UAZ with the Azerbaijani military who left for a new Armenian position was hit by small arms fire.
                        I partly agree with this! But with that
                        but the position remained with the Armenians.
                        NO!
                        Knocked out yours! Moreover, you can read about it on the Armenian websites in the “Aravot” media, for example, the representative of the Armenian Defense Ministry, Artsrun Hovhannisyan, also stated that the Armenians did not take any new positions.
                      2. genisis
                        genisis 20 July 2020 00: 15 New
                        +2
                        Blessed is he who believes
                      3. wmn5500
                        wmn5500 20 July 2020 01: 51 New
                        0
                        Mutually! I can also say about you.
    3. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 18 July 2020 18: 20 New
      0
      Azerbaijani citizens continue to apply to the State Service for Mobilization and Conscription for military service for voluntary service in the army.

      According to the State Service, today more than 23500 citizens who have responded to the appeal of the President of Azerbaijan, Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces Ilham Aliyev have expressed a desire to voluntarily serve in the army.
  • halpat
    halpat 18 July 2020 15: 00 New
    +3
    “Putin should enter the game and cool some of the warlike ardor”

    First, let both sides of the application write about voluntary joining the Russian Federation.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 18 July 2020 15: 04 New
      +1
      8 JUL, 14:20 Updated 14:38
      Shoigu and the head of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan discussed the situation in the Transcaucasian region
      In addition, the Russian Minister of Defense informed his colleague about the verification of the combat readiness of the troops, which had begun at the direction of the Supreme Commander
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 18 July 2020 18: 24 New
        -1
        During a telephone conversation with Azerbaijani Defense Minister Zakir Hasanov, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu informed about the sudden check of the combat readiness of Russian troops that began on Friday, a military-diplomatic source told RIA Novosti.

        "The Russian Minister of Defense emphasized that this event is planned and has nothing to do with the current situation on the Azerbaijani-Armenian border," he said.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 18 July 2020 23: 26 New
          -1
          It seems more like all this mess for the sake of Sirte and Jufra. For a potential participant in the conflict, problems are created in other places in Idlib and Karabakh. With a hint that there might burst if they interfere. Russian PMCs and the "north wind" are the most unpleasant rivals in Libya. Arabs are worthless as wars, France will not directly enter into conflict.
    2. SAG
      SAG 18 July 2020 19: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Halpat
      “Putin should enter the game and cool some of the warlike ardor”

      First, let both sides of the application write about voluntary joining the Russian Federation.

      Believe me, 1 application (integration) will be enough
  • Finches
    Finches 18 July 2020 16: 40 New
    +1
    Therefore, two districts were alerted ...
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 18 July 2020 16: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Observer2014
    If she this France tries to get in there with its guarantees.

    In 2014, Franzia was among the guarantors in Kiev. Where are her guarantees?
  • Николаев
    Николаев 18 July 2020 21: 48 New
    0
    France and the Greeks guaranteed something there, and then there was Smyrna ...
  • vVvAD
    vVvAD 19 July 2020 12: 05 New
    0
    Let France do the same as in 1920, guaranteeing the safety of the Armenians.

    In the new century, together with Germany, they have already guaranteed peace in Ukraine (observance by the opposition of the agreement signed by Yanukovych). Everyone knows where these guarantees ended up the very next day.
    There is no trust in the West.
  • Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 18 July 2020 13: 34 New
    11
    Someone wants to drag Russia into this conflict
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 18 July 2020 13: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Antifreeze
      Someone wants to drag Russia into this conflict

      Of course you want to. Who squeals the most about the CSTO guarantees? Who hid behind the back of Russia snatched away what is interesting on the eve of the collapse of the USSR a piece of the neighboring republic? Those are the ones who want to bring Russia there more than anyone else.
      1. GMT-ZHEL
        GMT-ZHEL 18 July 2020 14: 57 New
        +2
        [/ quote] Of course I want. Who squeals most about the CSTO guarantees? Who hid behind the back of Russia snatched away what is interesting on the eve of the collapse of the USSR a piece of the neighboring republic? Those are the ones who want Russia to get there more than anyone else. [Quote]
        You have a very one-sided view of the conflict.
      2. the finish
        the finish 18 July 2020 21: 10 New
        -3
        Analogy. Who snatched from whom?
    2. GMT-ZHEL
      GMT-ZHEL 18 July 2020 14: 55 New
      -1
      [/ quote] Someone wants to drag Russia into this conflict [quote]
      Obviously, neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan.
  • Boris Afinogenov
    Boris Afinogenov 18 July 2020 13: 37 New
    12
    And then they will shout that Putin is a tyrant and Russia is an empire of evil.
  • georggy
    georggy 18 July 2020 13: 41 New
    13
    Let them figure it out.
    1. loki565
      loki565 18 July 2020 13: 47 New
      +4
      Let them figure it out.

      It won't work on its own, Azerbaijan will have more modern weapons, plus Turkey will definitely fit in there
      1. georggy
        georggy 18 July 2020 13: 49 New
        10
        This is their business.
        They are independent states.
        And let them dunk themselves in all this shit.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 18 July 2020 14: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: george
          This is their business.
          They are independent states.
          And let them dunk themselves in all this shit.

          They can't do it on their own. They were independent and tough only when they left the USSR. When interethnic strife was started, they were also wide and formidable. And now they are looking for someone to help them save some, and return others back. It's good that NATO, unlike the CSTO, does not take territorial problems. Otherwise, there would be a common faith. And a single economic space. And so on and so forth. Some dream about "Great Armenia". Others about the "New Ottoman Empire"
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 18 July 2020 14: 57 New
            -1
            Quote: Observer2014
            to NATO unlike the CSTO with territorial problems do not take.

            Who told you this nonsense?
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 18 July 2020 16: 41 New
              -2
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Quote: Observer2014
              to NATO unlike the CSTO with territorial problems do not take.

              Who told you this nonsense?

              Nonsense? And Armenia in the CSTO With a territorial problem?
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 18 July 2020 17: 18 New
                -1
                Quote: Observer2014
                Nonsense? And Armenia in the CSTO With a territorial problem?

                With the territorial problem, then what? Neither the NATO Charter, nor the CSTO prohibits the entry of a new member into these organizations ... with territorial problems ...
                Inside the "aggressive bloc" NATO, there are territorial problems among its members (Great Britain and Spain, Greece and Turkey) ....
                The problem is that when a new member is included in NATO / CSTO (defensive alliance), a vote on its acceptance takes place, the result can only be one, the reasons for refusal (or maybe not) most often happens if one (several) of the participants votes against, motivating most often this is an unresolved territorial problem between the applicant and a third non-NATO country, the presence of a third state WB in the applicant's territory ... however, this is a right from any NATO member who justifies his unwillingness to accept or not accept a new member ....
                For example, on the territory of Spain there is a British dependent territory (not recognized by Spain) with the UK WB and nothing ...
                I'm not even talking about Greece and Turkey ready to cling to each other's throats because of the disputed islands in the Aegean Sea ...
                Macedonia could not be accepted into NATO for a long time, because of the position of Greece on its name, which coincides with the name of one of the Greek provinces ...
                Regarding Armenia, as far as I know, none of the CSTO countries recognizes the NPO as the territory of Armenia, and therefore is not responsible for its joint defense with Armenia within the framework of the CSTO ...
                Old Man does not recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation, so he does not give a damn about his fate when the Empireists attack him ... and he is not obliged to help the Russian Federation in its defense ...
          2. georggy
            georggy 19 July 2020 11: 08 New
            0
            Me and those and others vertically.
            Let them hang on at least for distillation
        2. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 18 July 2020 14: 53 New
          0
          Let them solve their own problems. Azerbaijan has Turkey’s folder, Armenians have the United States, so let the NATO’s mess among themselves))
  • Amur
    Amur 18 July 2020 13: 42 New
    +8
    Laughed to tears Erwann _... - France, will provide security ...
  • Well
    Well done 18 July 2020 13: 56 New
    11
    From France to Armenia as to China with cancer. Commentators would like to sort things out at home. They regard Russia as if we owe money to someone. Huy will use their notorious legion if they are so smart. Divanshchina.
    1. Well
      Well done 18 July 2020 14: 23 New
      +3
      Infuriates! I remembered - "Did these win us too?"
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 18 July 2020 14: 04 New
    +1
    Let France do the same as in 1920, guaranteeing the safety of the Armenians.

    Masterpiece developmental delay! laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 18 July 2020 14: 14 New
    +1
    This is their business. They chose the local leaders themselves, and they themselves will slurp.
    The nationalist frenzy will pass when they eat to the fullest, then, perhaps, they will start groaning and choose ...
    the same flirtatious .... no better.

    ..
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 18 July 2020 14: 14 New
    +5
    Russia's intervention in the conflict on either side instantly makes it an accomplice to aggression. The only correct role for Russia is as an arbiter and a platform for negotiations.
    You have probably forgotten that there is the UN Security Council, which is responsible for the rules for resolving such conflicts.
    Putin has something to demonstrate and to whom. Only for such demonstrations will it be necessary to cast aside the mercantile interests of economic clans, and be guided by the interests of the Russian state.
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  • flicker
    flicker 18 July 2020 14: 36 New
    +1
    "Putin should enter the game and cool the warlike fervor of some": Western readers on the conflict in the Caucasus
    In order to "cool the warlike fervor of some," Putin just should not enter the game.
    We keep saying that it is better to resolve disputes at the negotiating table, and not through military action.
    ---
    If the Armenians (where the US embassy has a huge influence on the current political course of Armenia) want to fight the Azerbaijanis (where Turkey's influence is huge), who are also eager to fight, then ... request
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 July 2020 14: 41 New
    +2
    Let them figure it out, otherwise we will find ourselves extreme. Enough already, did the result help many after the war?
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 18 July 2020 15: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Let them figure it out, otherwise we will find ourselves extreme.

      That's right, I came across a video about a recent rally in Baku, where Azerbaijanis are chanting "Russians, Iranians, Armenians are enemies of the Turks (Azerbaijanis)!" I don't know Azerbaijani, but the translation under the video is like this, let the Azerbaijanis colleagues on the site comment on this action.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 18 July 2020 15: 19 New
        +1
        Well, since the enemies, it means that all of them are kicked home from Russia, let them jump like Ukrainians.
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      3. GMT-ZHEL
        GMT-ZHEL 18 July 2020 15: 55 New
        0
        [quote] [/ quote] there was a video about a rally in Baku the other day where Azerbaijanis are chanting “Russians, Iranians, Armenians are enemies of the Turks (Azerbaijanis)!” And what about the Russians and Iranians? Iran has already reacted in this regard: Baku pan-Turkists infuriated the IRGC. "They will regret their existence" - a statement on the portal Syriankhabar.https: //infoteka24.ru/2020/07/16/67054/
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 18 July 2020 17: 48 New
          0
          Quote: GMT-ZHEL
          Iran has already reacted in this regard: Baku pan-Turkists infuriated the IRGC. “They will regret their existence” - statement on the portal Syriankhabar.https: //infoteka24.ru/2020/07/16/67054/

          I followed the link you propose and allow myself some doubts;
          - https://infoteka24.ru pro-Armenian site, most authors are Armenians;
          - Telegram channel “Syriankhabar” - Syrian news in Arabic, why should the IRGC use this Syrian resource for its statements?
          Do you really believe in such insults and threats of the IRGC towards Azerbaijan?
          “Red card of Iran Baku. Baku pan-Turkists are doing everything for us to erase their country from the world map ... Those who are looking for this war on the empty streets of Baku, when they are in Baku, can make a good sensation, but when they see an Armenian, they die of horror. A lone ordinary Armenian soldier destroys their general ... Baku People should know that the Iranians are very patient, they are in no hurry to destroy their enemies, but when the time comes, they will deal a mortal blow ... the name of our country - Iran or even the name of a part of our country will come out from the dirty lips of these idiots, we will make them regret their existence. "
          Whose ears are there? And now the official statement by the Iranian leadership:
          “The only way out of the crisis is through political negotiations.”
          APA’s Tehran bureau reports that the head of the Iranian President’s Administration Mahmoud Vaezi wrote about this on Twitter, commenting on incidents on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.
          He noted that it is necessary to consider the interests of the parties to the conflict and ensuring territorial integrity.
          According to him, the clash on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border caused concern.
          He noted that Iran was a mediator between the two countries in the past; good relations with both countries.
          “If necessary, we are ready to provide any assistance in this matter,” said Vaezi.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 18 July 2020 14: 51 New
    0
    "Western partners" worried about Honduras? So let them not scratch him))

    And they saw and did not hear about the exercises "Kavkaz-2020", shame on Western journalists, they don't even know how to get information on the surface))
    Comments killed, there is no strength to mumble, permanent facespalm.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 18 July 2020 15: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      And they saw and did not hear about the exercises "Kavkaz-2020", shame on Western journalists, they don't even know how to get information on the surface))

      So they will be in September .... laughing
      Comments killed, there’s no strength to mumble

      do not restrain yourself (who is easy now?), we will meet after the ban ... fellow
      permanent facepalm

      We have verbal communication here .... belay
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 18 July 2020 15: 45 New
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        do not restrain yourself (who is easy now?), we will meet after the ban ...

        Thank you. but I’ve already twice general in the bath, so I’ll refrain)))
        hi

        And on the topic, up to date with the latest news in the Southern Military District and the Western Military District? If not, I advise you to read the news))
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 18 July 2020 15: 50 New
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          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          And on the topic, up to date with the latest news in the Southern Military District and the Western Military District? If not, I advise you to read the news))

          They would have passed (exercises) anyway, simply thanks to the UAZ destroyed, it is now possible to carry out exercises (and ZVO, without straining the APU and empirialists) from sea to sea (the Soviet school, under the pretext of artificial aggravation, to strengthen troop groups) laughing
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 18 July 2020 14: 55 New
    0
    The GDP has already intervened, a sudden check of the combat readiness of our southern and western military districts has been carried out, the head of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry has already called Shoigu, everything will go down on the brakes, as in 2016, radical changes will occur only after Aliyev resigns as president of the country, the positions of supporters are strong in Azerbaijan wars with Armenia
  • the finish
    the finish 18 July 2020 15: 02 New
    +2
    It is interesting when in the media of RA and AR there are topics about Ukraine and the Russian Federation, the local commentators also write: "let's stock up on popcorn", "let them kill each other to the last Ukrainian and Russian", "Russia is the leader of Donbass", "the Crimean referendum was at gunpoint" , "allied relations and security treaties are empty words", "Assad and Haftar are more important than Aliyev and Nikol," "more sanctions and bans," etc. etc.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 July 2020 15: 06 New
    -1
    A chunk of blood must be spilled so that all participants understand that there will be no victory! No one. In Azerbaijan, the living standards are falling, the budget deficit, oil prices have dropped. In Armenia, the populist prime minister also organized problems for the population. The epidemic exacerbated all this. Aliyev decided that a small victorious war would distract the people? And if not small and not victorious? Behind all this, Turkish ears loom distinctly. But all this is in vain! The CSTO is not a fiction. am
    1. bulava
      bulava 18 July 2020 23: 54 New
      -3
      Such a situation will be until the Russian Federation takes up Azerbaijan. So far, all these crimps with Turkey and the military hysteria towards Armenia are not critical, but do not forget that there are also some people behind Turkey, and maybe not just some. Putting a NATO base in the Caspian is an old dream. Therefore, it is beneficial for us to have a predictable and controlled pro-Russian moderate president in Baku and protect our Caspian from any prodigal banderlogs.
      1. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 08: 39 New
        +1
        Such a sitz will continue until the Russian Federation takes over Azerbaijan.
        Or maybe it's easier, and most importantly cheaper and without risking anything, to throw parasitic subjects from the neck - forgiving them everything that everyone around them owes and owes ????
  • 1536
    1536 18 July 2020 15: 15 New
    0
    The post-Soviet space is simply being torn apart by the US and the EU countries. They tear and devour, blood flows from greedy mouths, drips from hands ... they will never get enough. It's too late to say who is to blame. Everyone knows this and so. A new collapse cannot be allowed. Today we have to make a choice: either Russia defends the post-Soviet republics from the foul-smelling world capital, or it waits for all this “Baidit gang” to choke on the increased self-awareness of our former compatriots and receive a worthy rebuff.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 18 July 2020 15: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Russia's intervention in the conflict on either side instantly makes it an accomplice to aggression.

    How is it? What about the Treaty on Mutual Military Assistance concluded between the Russian Federation and Armenia and the CSTO Charter ....?
    Or can only Turkey and Israeli Jews deliver weapons to Azerbaijan during the conflict?
    The only correct role for Russia is as an arbiter and a platform for negotiations.
    You have probably forgotten that there is the UN Security Council, which is responsible for the rules for resolving such conflicts.

    The only right role will be determined by the military-political leadership of the Russian Federation ....
    The UN competence "was covered with a copper basin" in about 1999 in the sky over the FRY ...
    1. icant007
      icant007 20 July 2020 19: 28 New
      -1
      What about the Treaty on Mutual Military Assistance concluded between the Russian Federation and Armenia and the CSTO Charter ....?


      There is one nuance. Karabakh is not formally considered a part of Armenia. And if the hostilities unfold exclusively on the Karabakh territory, then Turkey and Azerbaijan can act boldly without fear of reprisal from the CSTO.
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 20 July 2020 19: 43 New
        0
        Quote: icant007
        What about the Treaty on Mutual Military Assistance concluded between the Russian Federation and Armenia and the CSTO Charter ....?


        There is one nuance. Karabakh is not formally considered a part of Armenia. And if the hostilities unfold exclusively on the Karabakh territory, then Turkey and Azerbaijan can act boldly without fear of reprisal from the CSTO.

        That's right ....
        However, who guarantees non-aggression against Armenia, after OTR with Iskander OTRK fly from there in the direction of the Baku oil fields and refineries?
  • AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 18 July 2020 15: 21 New
    +2
    This is not our war. Let them play without us. Need a weapon? We will sell, but for hard currency.
  • Clone
    Clone 18 July 2020 15: 36 New
    +1
    As they used to say in the old days ... A plague on both of their houses! Now the caravans of "refugees" to Russia from both sides will stretch again in order to stay out of the call in the country to the "oppressor of great nations." From the fact that our troops are in Armenia, absolutely nothing will change ... only constant problems from hot Caucasian guys. Do we need it?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 20 July 2020 19: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Clone
      ... only constant problems from hot Caucasian guys.

      Well, they are hot in Moscow thanks to corrupt Russian officials, but in their homeland they are nobody and rather soft, like ...
      Aliyev: Thousands shouted, but only one and a half hundred turned to the military registration and enlistment offices

      More details: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/16/aliev-krichali-tysyachi-a-obratilis-v-voenkomaty-tolko-poltory-sotni
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 18 July 2020 15: 49 New
    0
    I may be wrong, but it seems like there was a UN toolkit for such situations - to transfer this Nagorno-Karabakh under UN control until the parties agree with each other on the status or division of this territory - and that's all.
    1. alone
      alone 18 July 2020 16: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      I can be wrong, but it seems like there was a UN toolkit for such situations - to transfer this Nagorno-Karabakh under UN control until the parties agree with each other on the status or division of this territory - and that's all.

      The UN said its word 27 years ago with four Security Council resolutions.
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    2. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 08: 46 New
      0
      I may be wrong, but it seems like there was a UN toolkit for such situations - to transfer this Nagorno-Karabakh under UN control until the parties agree with each other on the status or division of this territory - and that's all.

      This requires consent BOTH SIDES ... Well, and or have control over this region ...
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 20 July 2020 19: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      transfer this Nagorno-Karabakh to UN control until the parties agree on status

      What is a positive example of such a device?
      or section of this territory - and it's in the bag

      And what norm of UN international law will be guided by when dividing the NKAO?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 20 July 2020 20: 10 New
        0
        If you quote then at least read what is written. "to separate" or "not to separate" is a subject of negotiations between two conflicting parties. The best way to avoid the ongoing bloodshed in this situation is to give the territory under a UN mandate until the parties agree.
        What other options? For both countries, this issue has long gone beyond the framework of an economically justified one - here we need not just arbitration, but a peacekeeping contingent - otherwise one fine day there will be a bad map and there will be a massacre.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 20 July 2020 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The best way to avoid the ongoing bloodshed in this situation is to give the territory under a UN mandate until the parties agree.

          They did not answer the questions ...
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 20 July 2020 22: 32 New
            0
            Will we look for all the answers in history or will we try to create something of our own, relying on the officially existing international institution, of which we are one of the founding guarantors?
            Sometimes a "positive result" is the absence of a negative result. In this case, there is an infinitely smoldering territe. the conflict, of which there are many on the planet, and which tend to shrink over time and the development of weapons, I do not know any precedents for the peaceful and compromise resolution of such conflicts in recent years (except for the formation of a common confederal space from the participants in the dispute or the registration of the disputed territory with internationally recognized sovereignty). On the face of a problem without a solution, the manifestation of which is found everywhere - it is time to develop a mechanism for resolving such problems, or in the 21st century everything will also be solved by blood and steel, as in the past.
  • alma
    alma 18 July 2020 16: 33 New
    13
    Again from a sore head to a healthy dump.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 18 July 2020 16: 35 New
    0
    Let the rooks themselves understand.
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 18 July 2020 19: 29 New
    0
    What was missing. so it's Russia in this chicken coop ..
  • Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 18 July 2020 19: 34 New
    -3
    The author's imagination leaves much to be desired ..
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 July 2020 19: 58 New
    +1
    Under the Soviet Union, Moscow could have allowed this to happen. But now the parties that existed before 1917 have been pushed out there. We blame America for everything. So this is all at our side. Terrible nationalism and nothing else. But the diasporas in Moscow, I am sure, live in peace.
  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 18 July 2020 20: 58 New
    +1
    Rotten redistribution of property - that's what this conflict is. Drive bourgeois from both sides with a rotten broom, but there is no one. All around there are bourgeois. There are no more kibalchish boys. The Red Army is no more. Now they would be useful to ordinary Armenian and Azerbaijani proletarians.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 July 2020 21: 11 New
    0
    And France is no longer the one to guarantee something.
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 08: 52 New
      0
      And France is no longer the one to guarantee something.

      And France ever, to anyone, guaranteed anything ??? ... - And if so, what did its guarantees cost for those to whom it
      guaranteed?
  • 2я19
    2я19 18 July 2020 21: 47 New
    0
    The head of the Moscow tax office will stop this war with two calls.
  • bulava
    bulava 18 July 2020 23: 47 New
    -4
    They also harnessed Ossetia for a long time, and then ... well, I know everything that happened later and saw how the "modernized army" retreated on hitchhiking and in the trunks of the VAZ classics (although no one really caught up). If Aliyev wants this, he will receive it. No questions. We just need to run in new tanks and shoot new missile systems.
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 08: 55 New
      +3
      If Aliyev wants it, he will get it. No questions. We just need to test new tanks and shoot new missile systems

      My dear - and you have not confused your own wool with the state one ???
  • bulava
    bulava 19 July 2020 00: 02 New
    -1
    Sergey Kuzhugetovich has a great sense of humor: Azerbaijani Defense Minister Zakir Hasanov held telephone conversations with his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu. This was reported by a source in RIA Novosti, close to military-diplomatic circles.
    The conversation was initiated by Baku. The parties discussed a large-scale verification of the Russian Armed Forces of the Southern and Western military districts, which coincided in time with the escalation of the conflict between Baku and Yerevan. Shoigu assured Hasanov that the event was planned and had nothing to do with the hostilities on the border of the two states.

    Question to the Azerbaijani asset here. Is your defense secretary afraid of something? It seems that Aliyev promised to solve everything in a couple of days)
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 19 July 2020 08: 58 New
      +1
      It seems that Aliyev promised to solve everything in a couple of days)

      By the forces of the border guards ??? - standing on the border with Armenia?
  • Woland
    Woland 19 July 2020 11: 25 New
    +1
    I will not understand. Armenians are squeezing Russian troops out of Armenia. Perfectly! Why should we worry about this conflict? Let Azerbaijan and Armenia themselves understand their graters, they have someone to help, on the one hand, Turkey, on the other, the EU and America, neither of us in this conflict see the point blank. Very well. A woman with a cart-mare is easier. In case a situation arises with refugees, do not accept ANYONE. We missed their showdown here in Russia
  • icant007
    icant007 20 July 2020 19: 21 New
    -2
    Quote: genisis
    Despite the fact that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict has been going on with varying degrees of intensity since 1990, not a single Russian military has ever been involved in this conflict over these 30 years.

    Excuse me, who do you consider the Russian military?

    Don't you consider those soldiers and officers of the SA and internal troops who have died on the territory of Armenia and Azerbaijan since 1988?
    And there are dozens of them. Hundreds of wounded.