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In relation to Kiev, an investigation has begun on the fact of the uncovered sky during the crash of MH17

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In relation to Kiev, an investigation has begun on the fact of the uncovered sky during the crash of MH17

In relation to Ukraine, an investigation has been launched into the uncovered sky over the crash zone of Flight MH17. This was reported by the Dutch Foreign Ministry.


Reportedly, the investigation of Kiev's role in the MH17 plane crash will be conducted separately from the main criminal process and will be conducted by the Flight Safety Foundation, an independent non-profit international organization based in the US Virginia state.

The investigation has already begun and is being carried out by a third party, the Flight Safety Foundation. The investigation will consider the issue of closing the airspace over eastern Ukraine and regions adjacent to the conflict zone, including the territory of the Russian Federation

- said in a statement.

In June this year, Dutch lawyer Baudewein van Eyck, representing the interests of Oleg Pulatov, accused of involvement in the crash of the Malaysian liner, said that the Netherlands was ready to find out the reasons why Kiev did not close the sky. According to him, such an investigation could take up to six months.

We will remind that last week the Netherlands announced a lawsuit with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) against Russia in connection with the crash of the MH17 airliner in 2014 in Ukraine. The Dutch government is convinced that through the courts they will be able to achieve "truth and justice." In turn, Russia denied all accusations of involvement in the collapse of MH17 and declared its readiness to defend its position in the international court.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 18 July 2020 08: 26
    25
    In relation to Ukraine, an investigation has been launched into the uncovered sky over the crash zone of Flight MH17.
    On the third day, the Sharp Sokol noticed that there was no outer wall in his cell ...
    1. Valery Valery
      Valery Valery 18 July 2020 08: 38
      +2
      Someone turned on the brain somewhere.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 18 July 2020 08: 45
        19
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Someone turned on the brain somewhere.

      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 18 July 2020 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Someone turned on the brain somewhere.

        Not. The article says that it is separate from the process.
      3. zwlad
        zwlad 18 July 2020 10: 21
        -1
        Someone begins cleaning up unnecessary garbage
      4. Simargl
        Simargl 18 July 2020 19: 36
        +1
        Quote: Valery Valery
        Someone turned on the brain somewhere.
        It is necessary to look at the results. They can "find" what Putin personally asked to let MN-17 pass.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 July 2020 08: 56
      14
      Quote: Victor_B
      On the third day Vigilant Falcon noticed that there was no outer wall in his cell ...

      On the sixth year "imprisonment" yes And since yesterday, it has been the SEVENTH YEAR since the attack on MH-17 ...
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 18 July 2020 09: 36
        +7
        All judgments are from the evil one.
        The court is the arbitrariness of the official.
        The official lives by his own right, which was capaciously voiced by the Russian people-
        The law that draws - as it turned, it happened.

        The court from the lands where homosexuals live must go through the forest with all its members.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 18 July 2020 09: 39
          +5
          Quote: Vladimir16
          The court is the arbitrariness of the official.

          By no means No. In this case, this is the arbitrariness of the so-called "world community"driven on a leash by the USA ...
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 18 July 2020 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Victor_B
        On the third day Vigilant Falcon noticed that there was no outer wall in his cell ...

        On the sixth year "imprisonment" yes And since yesterday, it has been the SEVENTH YEAR since the attack on MH-17 ...

        I also used to think that the fastest trackers live in Estonia, but it turns out that they live in the "Flight Safety Foundation - an independent non-profit international organization based in the US Virginia." And seven years have not passed since they became concerned with the obvious fact, from which, in theory, the investigation was supposed to begin.
    3. major147
      major147 18 July 2020 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      In relation to Ukraine, an investigation has been launched into the uncovered sky over the crash zone of Flight MH17.

      For some reason I expect that Russia will be to blame for the "non-closing" of the sky over Ukraine belay
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 18 July 2020 17: 16
      -1
      It is certainly interesting. But I am afraid that the key person in this matter, the dispatcher from Dnepropetrovsk, has already rotted away, somewhere in the landing, 100 kilometers from the city. Without him, this investigation has no prospects. All the blame will be blamed on the deceased
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 July 2020 08: 35
    10
    The investigation will consider the issue of closing the airspace over eastern Ukraine and regions adjacent to the conflict zone, including the territory of the Russian Federation
    But this already leads to unpleasant doubts.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 18 July 2020 09: 27
      +5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But this already leads to unpleasant doubts.

      I agree. hi
      First of all,
      It is reported that the investigation of the role of Kiev in the plane crash of flight MH17 will be conducted separately from the main criminal process.


      And secondly,
      an independent nonprofit international organization based in the US state of Virginia.

      Independent and nonprofit? So this investigation can only be taken into account, and then we accept it in this place, but here we do not. And besides, the organization is from USA, and that means they will write in conclusion what the State Department needs. Type: they seemed to have to close something there, but no one could imagine such cunning evil Putin. Well, then la-la poplar, and a bunch of all sorts of different words about how Russia is to blame. hi
    2. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina 18 July 2020 12: 26
      +2
      In general, the logic of Kiev is incomprehensible to me. If Donbass is Ukraine, residents of Donbass are Ukrainians, then what business does any other country, which part of Ukraine is to blame? Take the blame on yourself, pay compensation and look inside yourself for the guilty one.
      Or admit that Donbass is not Ukraine and the inhabitants of Donbass are not your subjects. Shout out to the whole world officially. Then there is someone to sue.
      .
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 July 2020 14: 14
        -1
        Quote: Tatiana Pershina
        Take the blame on yourself, pay compensation and look inside yourself for the guilty one.

        And where will Ukraine find that kind of money to pay Donbas for 6 years.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 18 July 2020 16: 00
        +1
        There’s a finer game, the Ukrainians officially declare that we (rebels, rebels, separs, it doesn’t matter) seized a piece of territory, and Russia unofficially supported us.

        They say our entire population is separatist, and we are good, our territory, and the population can blame, because it does not fit into the Bandera world.
        But at the same time, it does not deprive citizenship of those whom it seeks to kill.
        Something like that. hi
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 July 2020 19: 44
          0
          Quote: Lord of the Sith
          But at the same time, it does not deprive citizenship of those whom it seeks to kill.
          Something like that.

          Yes, I don’t know what to call, but they are the daughter of my yard.
      3. Cristall
        Cristall 19 July 2020 00: 08
        -8
        Quote: Tatiana Pershina
        In general, the logic of Kiev is incomprehensible to me. If Donbass is Ukraine, residents of Donbass are Ukrainians, then what business does any other country, which part of Ukraine is to blame? Take the blame on yourself, pay compensation and look inside yourself for the guilty one.

        why is not clear.
        If you have part of the territory occupied / seized by separatism (Chechnya / Kurds in Turkey). There, in full swing, in his own interests, the neighbor deployed unofficial military assistance at all levels to the military. To admit his guilt that the enemy has blocked the civilian side in your territory, is embraced by hostilities?
        Ukraine admits that the plane was shot down on its territory. She transferred her right to Holland and provided everything she could to the commission / investigation.
        But the blame for the shooting down of civil aircraft of third countries by military trade pieces is from a number of absurdities.
        Lockerbie incident. Was there that the WB had to admit guilt? Her territory is ..
        Should US 9/11 Take the Blame? Their territory.
        Egypt took the blame for the destroyed Russian airliner by Qatar?
        The question is not whose territory this is. All countries including the Russian Federation recognize that this is the territory of Ukraine.
        The question is who delivered the hellish thing and pulled the trigger.
        In the dock, it’s not the country but the people who have been charged. The representative of Ukraine is also there.
        I’m watching a little bit - so Donbass is the territory of Ukraine, and if anything, Donbass is Russia.
        In general, the Russian Federation is treated favorably as well.
        Either there are Russians who need to be protected from the "junta" or Ukrainians who are khataskrains and voted to be part of Ukraine with a special status.
        That's how we live.
        In general, the poor people were led to loud speeches. Cover for the Crimea ..
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 18 July 2020 17: 20
      +1
      If the airplane began its fall in the airspace of the Russian Federation, then there would be something to talk about. And as the unforgettable Ostap Ibragimovich used to say: "Conversations in favor of the poor
  3. strannik1985
    strannik1985 18 July 2020 08: 40
    12
    It took only 6 years to ask the obvious question - why wasn't the sky closed ???
    1. orionvitt
      orionvitt 18 July 2020 08: 59
      +7
      Quote: strannik1985
      The obvious question is why the sky did not close ???

      Incorrect wording. They did not close the sky, but purposefully sent a passenger plane into the combat zone. Where he was already expected and where he was immediately shot down. The sudden loss of the dispatcher, one hundred percent confirmation of this. Everything is crystal clear as daylight. And the attempts to bring Russia here, for six years now, look like a cheap farce. Communion facts of Russia, zero. But there are more than enough circumstances indicating that this is a planned action, with the direct involvement of Western special services (not the first time) and Ukraine. Well, at least they began to work on Ukraine, and then some kind of progress. You look, grain by grain, and the performers will be voiced, and maybe the customers. But I somehow doubt it. It is more likely that instead of telling the truth, they will most likely admit that the Boeing fell on its own.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 July 2020 09: 29
        +2
        Quote: orionvitt
        The sudden loss of the dispatcher, one hundred percent confirmation of this.

        As always, when the store was robbed, the watchman had diarrhea when the bank was robbed, the security cameras were under repair, when the Boeing shot down the dispatcher disappeared and the radars failed. And those who shot down a Boeing lost their brains. And what else was missing from those who gave the order to bring down this Boeing?
        1. orionvitt
          orionvitt 18 July 2020 10: 32
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And what else was missing from those who gave the order to shoot down this Boeing?

          Yes, you seem to have listed everything. True, they forgot to mention about the missing data from American satellites. About radars, not exactly. There are data from radars, Russian, but they have not been taken into account, with the excellent wording "we do not understand this data."
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 July 2020 11: 35
            0
            Quote: orionvitt
            True, they forgot to mention about the missing data from American satellites.

            Well, here you are and just t confirmed, "what else was missing from those who gave the order to shoot down this Boeing?"
      2. strannik1985
        strannik1985 18 July 2020 10: 47
        -1
        I support you, do not delude yourself, the investigation has long and firmly been politicized, most likely with the help of "correct" accusations they solve some of their problems.
  4. Fungus
    Fungus 18 July 2020 08: 43
    +9
    Also, let Ukrainian beeches located in the Donbass at the time of the downing of the Boeing be investigating.
  5. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 18 July 2020 08: 48
    0
    That there can be investigated for 6 years, evidence is either there or not.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 July 2020 09: 08
      10
      Quote: From Tomsk
      That there can be investigated for 6 years, evidence is either there or not.

      But they are trying to "fit" the "evidence" under the predetermined verdict of the court - The DPR militias are guilty, and therefore Russiawho allegedly gave us the Buk ...

      BUT DOESN'T EXIT, "DOESN'T Stick" No.
  6. Oleg1263
    Oleg1263 18 July 2020 08: 48
    +8
    Yes, nothing will happen, it's obvious. After all, Ukraine said that it didn’t close it because it was thinking about something there .., radars were on prophylaxis, images from satellites and AWACS are there, but we will not show them to you .. What other questions ??? This is so, for the "diversion". Well. will write out a fine of 10 thousand ..... hryvnia, and disperse.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 July 2020 09: 27
      +7
      Quote: oleg1263
      After all, Ukraine said it didn’t close because it was thinking about something there ..

      Rђ RІRѕS, they don’t have to think at all.

      Because when in Kiev they started to think about something, there was some kind of crap right away in the country, from the very 91st year ... And in all spheres of life. yes
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 July 2020 09: 32
      0
      Quote: oleg1263
      After all, Ukraine said it didn’t close because it was thinking about something there .., the radars were on prevention

      And in Ukraine there is always "scrofula, then diarrhea."
  7. Polymer
    Polymer 18 July 2020 09: 13
    +4
    the investigation into Kiev's role in the MH17 plane crash will be conducted separately from the main criminal process and will be conducted by the Flight Safety Foundation, an independent non-profit international organization based in the US Virginia state.

    Given the location of this institution, the outcome of the investigation is a bit predictable, I think.
  8. 123456789
    123456789 18 July 2020 09: 26
    +5

    here we play here we do not play here we wrapped the fish
  9. Kibl
    Kibl 18 July 2020 09: 31
    -1
    Come on! Another launch of CO2 in a puddle. Russia has long been appointed to blame for the downing of the plane, what kind of court there is. Verdict has already been taken out by the United States and it cannot be appealed. Amen.
  10. 5-9
    5-9 18 July 2020 09: 43
    +2
    6 years have gone ... And Estonians are also called brakes ...
  11. 123456789
    123456789 18 July 2020 09: 48
    0
    We will remind that last week the Netherlands announced a lawsuit with the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) against Russia in connection with the crash of the MH17 airliner in 2014 in Ukraine. The Dutch government is convinced that through the courts they will be able to achieve "truth and justice." In turn, Russia denied all accusations of involvement in the collapse of MH17 and declared its readiness to defend its position in the international court.

    Chukchi brings the manuscript to the editor, the editor read, grimaced and said:
    “You would have to learn, dear.” Read the classics, for example.
    - However, the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer!
    Anecdote
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 18 July 2020 10: 44
    0
    We started crawling around, yes!
    The matter was muddied so that soon they themselves would not understand where and how to row.
    Obviously, the plane was taken to a specific place, at a specific time ... such coincidences, just like that, do not happen!
  13. Egoza
    Egoza 18 July 2020 10: 45
    -1
    After such news, the Ukrainian media will burst into articles with the main topic: "Huh! And we are for sho?"
  14. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 18 July 2020 11: 02
    -1
    A life-long series, processes are faster in the tree ..
  15. svoit
    svoit 18 July 2020 11: 10
    -2
    Quote: oleg1263
    After all, Ukraine said it didn’t close because it was thinking about something there .., the radars were on prevention

    Russia seems to have closed the sky up to 0 km from 18 o'clock, that though this did not greatly prevent the planes from flying there, and they were not denied dispatch support, but at least everyone understood that the closure could not force it not to take off, but to remove responsibility , "if something goes wrong" - maybe.
    And the situation with radars is worse, Russia declared in public that there were no radars, except for the Rostov one, that is, the sky there is just a courtyard, and for almost 25 years it remained that way !!!
    On the other side of the globe, the United States recorded the launch of a smaller rocket (from Thor), while Russia does not really care who is shooting what kind of missiles at its side.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 18 July 2020 12: 00
    -1
    Considering why Ukraine did not close the skies over the territory of hostilities is simply ridiculous. Can they answer who made the MH-17 change course and lower the echelon before a missile hit it?
  17. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 18 July 2020 12: 04
    -1
    An independent organization in FSA? laughing
  18. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 18 July 2020 12: 12
    -1
    Quote: Valery Valery
    Someone turned on the brain somewhere.

    I wonder if you read the texts or read and discuss only the headings? And the text says that at the REQUEST of the "defendant's" lawyer, an independent (?) Non-profit (?) American (!) Organization will conduct an investigation separately from the main criminal process. Will the result be objective? BIG doubts!

    And the brain - yes! - include useful. Only neither the OSG, nor the court, nor some people do NOT include it.
  19. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 July 2020 14: 05
    -1
    Are there Estonians investigating there?