New squadron of the Rosgvardia special forces formed in the North Caucasus

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New squadron of the Rosgvardia special forces formed in the North Caucasus

New aviation The special guard unit of the Russian Guard was created in the North Caucasus with a center in the Stavropol Territory. The new squadron will be armed with Russian and foreign-made helicopters. This was reported by the press service of the North Caucasian District of the National Guard of the Russian Federation.

According to the report, the units of the new squadron of the Russian Guard are also located in Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria and the Chechen Republic. The squadron is equipped with Mi-8AMTSh, Ka-226 and Robinson R-44 helicopters. The main task is to carry out amphibious transport tasks, conduct aerial reconnaissance, as well as search and patrol in the interests of the territorial directorates of the North Caucasian District of the National Guard troops and interacting departments.



A separate special-purpose aviation squadron of the North Caucasian District of the National Guard of the Russian Federation was formed under the leadership of the First Deputy Commander of the District, Lieutenant-General Vladimir Maistrenko


At present, the transfer of helicopters and maintenance equipment of squadron units has begun. It is reported about the arrival of the first rotary-wing machines to the places of permanent deployment.
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    1. +17
      18 July 2020 07: 59
      Rosgvardia will soon become a new type of troops!
      Aviation is still weak ...
      It would be necessary to plant fighters.
      Well, fit the bomb carriers.
      Sprinkle more nucleonbatons.
      1. +22
        18 July 2020 08: 09
        Quote: Victor_B
        Rosgvardia will soon become a new type of troops!
        Aviation is still weak ...
        It would be necessary to plant fighters.
        Well, fit the bomb carriers.
        Sprinkle more nucleonbatons.

        Give only the term, they will have everything. And they will outnumber the army. The fight against the internal enemy is more important for the authorities than the fight against the external enemy.
        1. +13
          18 July 2020 08: 22
          The satellite constellation is still weak.

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            1. -3
              18 July 2020 10: 27
              if the days are promptly subordinated to the General Staff, then I won’t mind if the hierarchy is broken, then what kind of people are these times. If the explosives went to the Russian Guard, then what is your claim at all? Understand the structure of the Russian Guard before writing. I know that there is a difference between them like the sky and water, but the order was received and it has to be carried out
              My personal opinion, the Internal Troops, the military police, need to be kept in the MO spectrum so that the MO can control the process. Now there is complete slackness, to put it mildly. Don’s who obey? Here. This is a nuisance to our defenses. The Dons have always been at the forefront of the attack, now. they are beginning to be mastered by racers of mass crowds of citizens. In Stalingrad, a separate Zagrad detachment of the Chuykov army advanced to the battle line
              1. -1
                18 July 2020 10: 34
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                if the days are promptly subordinated to the General Staff, then I won’t mind if the hierarchy is broken, then what kind of people are these times. If the explosives went to the Russian Guard, then what is your claim at all? Understand the structure of the Russian Guard before writing. I know that there is a difference between them like the sky and water, but the order was received and it has to be carried out
                My personal opinion, the Internal Troops, the military police, need to be kept in the MO spectrum so that the MO can control the process. Now there is complete slackness, to put it mildly. Don’s who obey? Here. This is a nuisance to our defenses. The Dons have always been at the forefront of the attack, now. they are beginning to be mastered by racers of mass crowds of citizens. In Stalingrad, a separate Zagrad detachment of the Chuykov army advanced to the battle line

                I meant that there is a huge difference between the USSR Internal Troops and the Russian Guard. Today we do not have mines of defense in our structure, they are in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, with all the ensuing consequences.
                1. +6
                  18 July 2020 11: 05
                  And that during the USSR, were there vovchiks in the MO or were they in the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
                  1. 0
                    18 July 2020 14: 15
                    Quote: saigon
                    And that during the USSR, were there vovchiks in the MO or were they in the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

                    Atlichny question 8))))))))))
                2. -7
                  18 July 2020 11: 29
                  And I mean these circumstances. Earlier, a division for selection, in each regiment already formed a special detachment for reconnaissance and sabotage. And the commanders sent the appropriate. " not in any other way. Such moods, this is from the ground. My nephew served in the special forces of the Air Force. I thought there was an intensified year-long training ... All these contests, ambitious, common scammers. It sounds dumb of course, but they gave bribes, and they were allowed on the shooting range. They were ambitious young lions. Healthy and strong, but the systems cannot be broken. I remember the fleet of my brig ... ... the brigade commander is a second-hand Audi.
                  , like the brigade commander ....)))) And the deputies for the rear and for fuels and lubricants in general ... are waiting for their non-Belungian, so that he would sing a song to them ...
                3. +1
                  18 July 2020 14: 42
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  I meant that there is a huge difference between the USSR Internal Troops and the Russian Guard.

                  Definitely!
                  Rosgvardia does not guard and does not escort prisoners. And the VV of the USSR were not engaged in extra-departmental security.
                  And the rest is the same.
                  - Patrol guards for both
                  - Suppression of riots and those, and others
                  - Participation in local conflicts in the country and those, and others.
        3. +2
          18 July 2020 08: 49
          The fight against the internal enemy is more important for the authorities than the fight against the external enemy.


          And the authorities learn something, remember, draw conclusions. Last time it was the internal enemy who won, while the external enemy was preparing for war with the USSR. And neither the authorities nor their numerous colonels were ready for a war with an internal vrash, who today are tearing up their vests by proving and demanding.
          1. -1
            18 July 2020 12: 04
            Answer honestly, are you in the police?
        4. +1
          18 July 2020 09: 08
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          The fight against the internal enemy is more important for the authorities than the fight against the external enemy.

          And what, it is not necessary to fight with the internal enemy? Or will you say that it does not exist, or it will not appear in the future? The trends in the world are very bad, and if someone thinks that Russia will not be affected, then they are deeply mistaken.
          1. +11
            18 July 2020 09: 40
            Quote: orionvitt
            And what, it is not necessary to fight with the internal enemy? Or will you say that it does not exist, or it will not appear in the future? The trends in the world are very bad, and if someone thinks that Russia will not be affected, then they are deeply mistaken.

            Therefore, it is necessary that the police and the National Guard, in terms of numbers, catch up with the armed forces? Think about who all this is against.
            1. -9
              18 July 2020 10: 08
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Think about who all this is against.

              Do you have anything to fear? Do you have sins behind you? Or start the "old song about the main thing" that de Putin is preparing to become a dictator?
              1. +6
                18 July 2020 10: 43
                Quote: orionvitt
                Do you have anything to fear? Do you have sins behind you? Or start the "old song about the main thing" that de Putin is preparing to become a dictator?

                For example, your labor collective went on strike at the enterprise, against the reduction of wages, say. The owner of the enterprise kicked you out into the street and brought the strikebreakers. Who will protect them and break your hands? That's right, it’s the Russian Guard. Let's increase its strength?
                1. -2
                  18 July 2020 11: 00
                  Your example is unfortunate, taken directly from textbooks on the history of the CPSU. Not those times. Today, strikes at any enterprise (by the way, are there many of them?), This is a trifle and is solved by other methods. The question is that all sorts of "oppositionists" immediately sit down such situations, sew on their rotten political formulas (which boil down to only one thing, someone has to leave) and off we go. And as a result, the usual philistine material question is already acquiring a political color. In any case, the question is being resolved, but someone is catching the hype on this matter. If you say that the struggle for material wealth is the same "political issue", then why destroy the Union .. As far as I remember, the majority in the late 80s wanted to live like in the West. So there is nothing to whine now, everyone lives like in the West.
                  1. +9
                    18 July 2020 11: 38
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    Your example is unfortunate, taken directly from textbooks on the history of the CPSU.

                    You know, this very hour I am more and more convinced that the Pravda newspaper wrote the truth.
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    Not those times. Today, strikes at any enterprise (by the way, are there many of them?), This is a trifle and is solved by other methods.

                    Dear Vitaly, strikes have never been a trifle and never will be, as they hit the businessman's most sensitive place, his wallet. Are there many such enterprises, but many, although many or few are relative concepts. And what other ways is it?
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    The question is that all sorts of "oppositionists" immediately sit down such situations, sew on their rotten political formulas (which boil down to only one thing, someone has to leave) and off we go.

                    In order for a person to be able to distinguish "lambs from goats", one must educate oneself, otherwise a person will always stand up for other people's interests.
                    Quote: orionvitt
                    If you say that the struggle for material wealth is the same "political issue", then why destroy the Union .. As far as I remember, the majority in the late 80s wanted to live like in the West. So there is nothing to whine now, everyone lives like in the West.

                    It must be remembered that the economy in general, and "material goods" in particular, is the basis of everything and the "political process" even more so. You say, "you wanted to live like in the West," but the idea of ​​life in the West was not correct, therefore the people were simply thrown apart, just by those who today are enjoying the fruits of thieves' privatization.
                    1. -4
                      18 July 2020 14: 48
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      In order for a person to be able to distinguish "lambs from goats" it is necessary to educate himself

                      Show me the mass strikes of workers in Russia. Self-educated you are ours. Except for a handful of paid professional wrestlers, always dissatisfied with everything and everyone, creative bohemians and a crowd of stupid schoolchildren, I don't see anyone. There is another category, these are non-adepts with a disorder of the thought process, of which there are enough for VO. But this is already an area of ​​psychiatry.
                      1. +1
                        18 July 2020 19: 27
                        Quote: orionvitt
                        Show me the mass strikes of workers in Russia. Self-educated you are ours. Except for a handful of paid professional wrestlers, always dissatisfied with everything and everyone, creative bohemians and a crowd of stupid schoolchildren, I don't see anyone. There is another category, these are non-adepts with a disorder of the thought process, of which there are enough for VO. But this is already an area of ​​psychiatry.

                        My golden, when massive strikes begin, your regime will fall like a house of cards. Therefore, pray that this would happen as late as possible, you will have time to slip away to your west.
                        1. 0
                          19 July 2020 10: 05
                          Quote: aleksejkabanets
                          when will the mass strikes start

                          And when?
                2. -4
                  18 July 2020 11: 14
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Who will protect them and break your hands? That's right, it is the Russian Guard.

                  And where does the Rosguard (with armored vehicles and aircraft)? Don't blame her for what the police are doing (with gas and rubber weapons).
            2. 0
              18 July 2020 10: 09
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Think about who it's all against

              Against the enemies.
              1. +5
                18 July 2020 12: 45
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Think about who it's all against

                Against the enemies.

                I will add. Against the enemies of Putinism and Putriot oligarchs Yes
                1. 0
                  18 July 2020 14: 03
                  Quote: Gargantua
                  I will add. Against the enemies of Putinism and Putriot oligarchs

                  Ага.
                  Type of such?
                2. -3
                  18 July 2020 15: 07
                  Quote: Gargantua
                  I will add. Against enemies

                  who are fed by our "partners" and who sang along with them who do not have enough intelligence to understand the simple fact that if the "Re-e-Evolution" so longed for by them takes place, then at best they themselves will lose everything, and at worst they will perish so that no bones will not find.
            3. 0
              18 July 2020 11: 16
              Let's go without the horror movies, the police are the biggest with the light to the chapel infantry.
              And how many active bayonets there are in the New Guards is a big question, they didn’t pile up different services and I’m afraid they didn’t do new generals, the states were inflated.
              On the other hand, in the event of hostilities, a ready reserve for the Ministry of Defense.
              And on the example of Khabarovsk, rumors about the bloodthirstiness of our authorities are clearly not so badly blown away.
            4. +2
              18 July 2020 16: 03
              "Therefore, it is necessary that the police and the National Guard should catch up with the armed forces in numbers? Think about whom all this is against."

              Rosguard has a lot of tasks. And if you do not know them - then do not be clever. About 30% (maybe more - maybe less) only private security takes. She used to be in the introduction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In addition, there are a lot of units for the protection of important state facilities, a licensing and authorization system, support units, etc. And those you are so afraid of: OMON, SOBR, operational units, SPN, UHF units - only a small number.
              The total number of the Russian Guard, which you are so afraid of, was simply taken from the Ministry of Internal Affairs when it was created.
          2. +7
            18 July 2020 10: 18
            And what, it is not necessary to fight with the internal enemy?
            .... And who is the internal enemy? "The greedy, spudents and sitsialists"? .. In a bourgeois state, who is the internal enemy? laughing
            1. -2
              18 July 2020 11: 21
              The worst enemy for our country is the internal enemy — there is no unity in society, a split, and moreover, a single enemy is not assigned or not defined (and the enemies contribute to unity) whose goals have not been voiced.
          3. +6
            18 July 2020 12: 18
            Of course, it is necessary to struggle with the internal. But when equipment is purchased to disperse demonstrations, this is something else. We need to work more subtly so as not to lead to mass demonstrations, and domestic policy must be conducted competently.
          4. +7
            18 July 2020 12: 42
            Quote: orionvitt

            And what, it is not necessary to fight with the internal enemy?

            Of course it is NECESSARY! Puting Guard needs to transfer nuclear missiles so that it can quickly resolve the issue with a colony, for example, Voronezh or Khabarovsk. Enemies of the Putriots, even thoughts should not arise about how to take away the natural wealth from the Putriot oligarchs. And you see how these inhabitants of the colony called Khabarovsk relaxed today. They dared to go out into the streets and demand something there. But what do these enemies of Putinism finally think of themselves? The Tu-160 link can quickly sober them up if they do not calm down.
            Quote: orionvitt
            Or will you say that he is not there, or he will not appear in the future?

            Yes, there is nothing to stand on ceremony with the enemies of Putinism. It is necessary to forbid them to give birth, so as not to produce new enemies. It is necessary to firmly put these colonies in their place. A couple of three nuclear attacks on the lairs of these enemies of Putinism will make them begin to obey putriot oligarchs. The enemy will be defeated! Victory will be for the putriots!
            1. -5
              18 July 2020 14: 14
              Quote: Gargantua
              But what did these enemies of Putinism eventually think of themselves? The Tu-160 link can quickly sober them up if they do not calm down.

              Do you know what the joke is?
              When something flares up somewhere in the Caucasus, "Putin Guards" will go there to fight.
              And your audience will again heroically hide from the call. They say "we do not want to fight for the oligarchs"
              This happened more than once, not two, not three.

              And you will do this under bold arguments on the Internet about "enough to feed the Caucasus" and about the need for war to the last soldier or the Russian National Guard.
              1. +4
                18 July 2020 14: 30
                Quote: Spade
                Do you know what the joke is?

                I know perfectly Yes
                Quote: Spade
                When something flares up somewhere in the Caucasus, "Putin Guards" will go there to fight.

                Already fighting heroically!
                And your audience will again heroically hide from the call. They say "we do not want to fight for the oligarchs"
                This happened more than once, not two, not three.

                You are, apparently, writing directly from the trench? Well, how is it at the front? Hold on for now? lol
                1. -4
                  18 July 2020 14: 33
                  Quote: Gargantua
                  I know perfectly

                  Well yes
                  It's hard not to know yourself laughing
              2. 0
                19 July 2020 18: 27
                "When something flares up somewhere in the Caucasus," Putin Guards "will go there to fight."
                fight? but what about- "The Rosgvardia has a lot of tasks. And if you do not know them, then you do not need to be clever. About 30% (maybe more - maybe less) only the non-departmental security takes it. It was previously introduced by the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In addition, there are a lot subdivisions for the protection of important state facilities, licensing and permitting system, security subdivisions, etc. "- who will deal with these most important tasks?
            2. -2
              20 July 2020 08: 49
              you are the enemy of Putin))))
        5. -5
          18 July 2020 11: 19
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          The fight against the internal enemy is more important for the authorities than the fight against the external enemy.

          The external enemy, on the wave of success in the collapse of the USSR, also relies on undermining Russia from within and spares no effort or money for this. This is much more dangerous than a direct attack, for which the adversary needs to have chrome-force "Fabergés". And you only have "pensioner dispersal" in mind.
          1. +4
            18 July 2020 15: 20
            Quote: Piramidon
            The external enemy, on the wave of success in the collapse of the USSR, also relies on undermining Russia from within and spares no effort or money for this.

            Well, stop inventing, look at Khabarovsk, both young and old came out there! Are they all agents of the State Department?
            Wake up and Remember, Putinism is breaking up Russia!
            1. +1
              18 July 2020 15: 41
              Quote: Stroporez
              Are they all agents of the State Department?

              Rather not very smart people.
              1. +3
                18 July 2020 15: 53
                Quote: Spade
                Rather not very smart people.

                Mdyayaya, and if all Zamkadye comes out? What do you say? Your power is already fed up with all its lies, arrogance, endless theft, greed, stupidity ...
                We live in the richest country in the world worse than in Poland, at the level of Nicaragua, in a third world country ..
                Are you not ashamed of this?
                1. 0
                  18 July 2020 16: 00
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Mdyayaya, and if all Zamkadye comes out?

                  I have never lived in the "Vnutrikadye", so by. Don't tell me stories
                  No one will come out.
                  For your "opposition" is infected with the same "lies, arrogance, endless theft, greed, stupidity ..."
                  And also - cowardice and hypocrisy.
                  1. +6
                    18 July 2020 18: 13
                    Quote: Spade
                    No one will come out.
                    For your "opposition" is infected with the same "lies, arrogance, endless theft, greed, stupidity ..."

                    Now look at either 5:00 or 6:00, and then tell yourself who is a hypocrite and an accomplice to the crimes of Putinism. Just watch it to the end, so that later you have the opportunity to regret your words!
                    1. +1
                      18 July 2020 18: 24
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Now look

                      I don't need to watch anything.
                      You put yourself in the place of, for example, father Oleg Bulatov.
                      So they arrested the one who is accused of killing your son. Then a crowd took to the streets with demands to stop the investigation.
                      What can you say about this crowd?
                      Only unprintable is correct.
                      But you are not Oleg Bulatov's father. Therefore, you consider yourself in the right to approve the actions of those who "defend their choice" at someone else's expense ...

                      This is hypocrisy, my friend. In its purest form.
                      Therefore, I will not be on the side of those who justify murderers. I will not be on the side of those who call the veteran "senile", I will not be on the side of those who call those who fought in Chechnya "punitive". I will not be on the side of those who on this site regularly dump tubs of dirt on "vovchiks"
                      This "opposition" is disgusting to me.
                      1. +7
                        18 July 2020 18: 36
                        Quote: Spade
                        I don't need to watch anything.

                        I understand that you do not need facts, but your verbal balancing act, consisting of propaganda clichés very similar to hysteria, in order to accuse your opponent of all mortal sins.
                        At the same time, there are too many letters "I" in your opus laughing
                        Eh, Lopatov ... as our colleague says, there is no creativity in you.
                        One blah blah blah blah blah blah and labeling.
                        Sit down TWO! good
            2. +3
              18 July 2020 17: 07
              Quote: Stroporez
              Well, stop thinking already, look at Khabarovsk

              And what is there to invent? In my time I saw enough of such a stupid crowd of woodpeckers in the USSR in the 90s and in Ukraine in the 2000s.


              1. +5
                18 July 2020 17: 24
                Quote: Piramidon
                And what is there to invent? I once saw enough of such a stupid crowd of woodpeckers in the USSR in the 90s and in Ukraine in the 2000s.

                Do you not understand that Putinism leads precisely to this?
                In order to hide all financial, economic and other crimes, the export of 2-3 trillion bucks, what needs to be done?
                That's right, break the country apart.
                Think about it and read the "plan for the utilization of Russia" or "Let the marginal intellectuals protect Baikal."
                1. -1
                  18 July 2020 17: 38
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  That's right, break the country apart.
                  Think about it and read

                  But while the country is being destroyed by the lovers of "to overthrow and fight". Proven by history.
                  1. +5
                    18 July 2020 17: 46
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    But while the country is being destroyed by the lovers of "to overthrow and fight". Proven by history.

                    it's yes, how about a wall of peas.
                    1. +1
                      18 July 2020 18: 49
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      peas against the wall

                      February 1917 years.
                      The crowd shouts - "Svaaaaboduuu!"
                      As a result, the tsar was overthrown, the Russian Empire disintegrated, the Bolsheviks came to power, most of that crowd is dumped into exile, saying: "Oh, Russia was fucked up .."
                      August 1991 of the year.
                      The crowd shouts - "Svaaaaboduuu!"
                      As a result, the democrats come to power, the USSR collapsed, most of that crowd is dumped into emigration, saying: "Oh, Russia was fucked up .."
                      2012 year.
                      The crowd shouts - "Svaaaaboduuu!"
                      Can they immediately dump into emigration, without an intermediate collapse of the country?

                      The presentation form, of course, is humorous, but there is more than one grain of truth here.
        6. +4
          18 July 2020 12: 43
          Well, as if the Soviet Union was collapsed from the inside .. so there is logic in this
        7. +8
          18 July 2020 12: 48
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Fighting the internal enemy is more important for the authorities

          It has always been that way. For the neo-bourgeoisie, the most terrible enemy is the Left Opposition.
          1. -3
            18 July 2020 14: 29
            Quote: Malyuta
            the worst enemy is the Left Opposition.

            What kind of enemy is this .... He doesn't even feel like an "irritant" ...

            The epitaph of the Russian "left opposition" can be considered what I heard the other day from the hard workers who wiped "Putin teran" from the noise barrier. laughing
      2. +9
        18 July 2020 08: 24
        The National Guard in the North Caucasus includes Chechen battalions north and south. Arming them too. What you wrote, do you really want it to get to them? So something like that happened, and the continuation was terrible. Minus from me.
      3. +4
        18 July 2020 08: 39
        A couple of Tu 160 is missing
        1. +1
          18 July 2020 13: 45
          Quote: Clever man
          A couple of Tu 160 is missing

          There are not enough bathyscaphes in the composition.
          It is said that there is a direct downward passage from the Mariana Trench.
          Bathyscaphes are a must for a solemn escort.
          1. 0
            18 July 2020 15: 06
            Just one that 160 would be enough to disperse the meeting in Khabarovsk together with Khabarovsk
      4. +11
        18 July 2020 09: 59
        Quite right! But, besides this, your own navy is absolutely necessary! And in the future, and its own Military Space Forces (with nanodubins). laughing
        1. +3
          18 July 2020 11: 58
          Everything is in order with the fleet since the time of the BB.
          Maritime security of Sevmash, the Crimean bridge, some nuclear facilities, a special purpose center on Lake Baikal.
          So, there are enough sailors in the National Guard.
          1. +6
            18 July 2020 12: 00
            Have border guards recaptured hack-work? bully
        2. +2
          18 July 2020 15: 06
          Even Hitler did not go that far with the SS troops
          1. +3
            18 July 2020 16: 55
            Where is he, sick ... laughing Imagination was lacking, and education was not the same. request
      5. +9
        18 July 2020 12: 47
        Quote: Victor_B
        Rosgvardia will soon become a new type of troops!

        So she is already a separate type of troops.
      6. 0
        19 July 2020 16: 31
        and that they already have enough people to beat with batons, or it’s easier to throw drugs from helicopters, sprinkled the area and take anyone you want laughing
    2. +19
      18 July 2020 08: 07
      Robinson R44 is a light multipurpose four-seater commercial helicopter manufactured by the American company "Robinson Helicopter" .... But what about the import substitution policy.
      1. +16
        18 July 2020 08: 19
        Same question. Since when did they start supplying imported equipment? or can the Russian Guard?
        1. +11
          18 July 2020 08: 22
          Quote: ved_med12
          Same question. Since when did they start supplying imported equipment? or can the Russian Guard?

          It began in the days of Putinism and will end when Putinism is demolished.
          1. +8
            18 July 2020 08: 26
            Quote: Stroporez
            It began in the days of Putinism and will end when Putinism is demolished.

            Not Putinism, but a change in the socio-economic formation. What difference does it make which "character" expresses the interests of the ruling class?
            1. +9
              18 July 2020 08: 32
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Not Putinism, but a change in the socio-economic formation. What difference does it make which "character" expresses the interests of the ruling class?

              Greetings, comrade! The fact is that a friend of friends is the keystone of power and its creature, pull it out and power will fall apart like a house of cards. and only after that it will be possible to build a new just state.
              1. +5
                18 July 2020 09: 27
                Quote: Stroporez
                Greetings, comrade! The fact is that a friend of friends is the keystone of power and its creature, pull it out and power will fall apart like a house of cards. and only after that it will be possible to build a new just state.

                I greet comrade, the fact is that the "friend of friends" is not alone there, in his place will come another, the same "legally chosen". Or as a result of the struggle of the oligarchic clans, we will have our own Donbas. To avoid this, I think today our task is more to show all the absurdities of our present state, to show where it will inevitably lead. Indeed, among our opponents there are quite adequate people and they love Russia no less than we do. And "Putin's long state" (read Surkov's article of the same name, instructive) is not viable, it leads itself to a dead end.
                1. +10
                  18 July 2020 09: 43
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets (Alexey)

                  Putinism is leading the country not to a dead end, but to an abyss, and it is he who will ruin Russia, an example of which is now beginning to serve as an example of the Far East.
                  At the moment, for me, adhering to the communist ideology, only one principle works, "the enemy of my enemy, my friend", and we will deal with it later, otherwise the country will perish.
                  Shake hands! soldier NO PASARAN!
                  1. +23
                    18 July 2020 12: 39
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    "the enemy of my enemy, my friend", and we will understand later

                    Greetings buddy!
                    Again, the unification of the uncombined? How many times have you and I argued about the harm for the supporters of Soviet power, such an approach ... You cannot unite with enemies, even if they are the enemies of your enemy. This will lead to the death of the entire pro-Soviet movement. Only a single party, and not a bunch of different ideologists, is capable of conquering and leading the country to prosperity. With this "unifying" approach, we will lose everything. The enemy will never become, personally to me and the supporters of the Lenin-Stalin line, an ally.
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    we will understand later

                    Then, it may not be ...
                    Shake hands!
                    1. +6
                      18 July 2020 13: 27
                      Quote: Arlen
                      How many times have you and I argued

                      Zdarova, Bro! So I don’t argue with you too much, so I play for little, although truth is born in disputes, and we have one enemy at all.
                      Mutually shake my hand!
                      Pysy. Today I watched the procession online in Khabarovsk, 50 thousand was definitely! Vladik supported and, in general, the whole Far East, even in some village out of 250 inhabitants 20 went to the village council.
                      And thank you so much for your condolences and support! soldier
            2. +10
              18 July 2020 12: 54
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              What difference does it make which "character" expresses the interests of the ruling class?

              In this case, no. With a non-bourgeois junk system, it does not matter who expresses the interests of the ruling oligarchic class. It is important to reach out to people's minds and explain to them that they are being brazenly deceived.
              1. +5
                18 July 2020 13: 23
                Quote: Malyuta
                It is important to reach out to people's minds and explain to them that they are being brazenly deceived.

                Greetings, Kamrad! Your golden words! So we’ll knock, and if it doesn’t work out through the head, we will explain directly through the liver laughing Well, I mean, at the negotiating table laughing drinks
          2. -16
            18 July 2020 08: 33
            Quote: Stroporez
            It began in the days of Putinism and will end when Putinism is demolished.

            Under Putin, at least something has begun.
            I want to show you a picture based on the voting results:



            You, who vote and oppose Putin, limit his ability to govern the country, and then resent the fact that he is not doing something there ...

            Your behavior is very strange: "We are against you, but you are obliged to do us well", and you have a moral right to demand something?
            1. +19
              18 July 2020 08: 40
              Quote: Boris55
              You, who vote and oppose Putin, limit his ability to govern the country, and then you resent the fact that he is not doing something there ..

              You still continue to rave and our dispute with you 5 years ago is meaningless.
              Quote: Boris55
              Well, under Putin, at least something began. I want to show you a picture based on the voting results:

              Indeed, under Putin, the real utilization of Russia began, and I didn't care about the inflated results of the anti-constitutional vote, besides, they attributed 20 million and the whole network is screaming about it.
              1. -9
                18 July 2020 08: 47
                Quote: Stroporez
                besides, they added 20 million.

                That is, Putin's ability to govern the country is even more limited than in the picture? Is that what you mean? laughing

                Quote: Stroporez
                the whole network is screaming about it.

                It's good that it's not a Maidan, but in order to disperse unauthorized rallies that are turning into a civil war, a ros.guard is needed with full provision for everyone and everything.
                1. +11
                  18 July 2020 11: 33
                  What !? Unauthorized rallies threaten Putin more than exporting money abroad and embezzlement of state funds !? So it is necessary to fight against rallies! And with the export of capital and embezzlement, no ?! Well Bravo! Bravo!
                  1. -6
                    18 July 2020 12: 21
                    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                    What !? Unauthorized rallies threaten Putin more than taking money abroad and embezzlement of state funds !?

                    Unauthorized rallies do not threaten Putin. They threaten to demolish Russia from the political map of the world. Putin will leave sooner or later. The main thing that Russia would remain.

                    For those who have not moved, how the voting results affect management efficiency. There is no time to draw a picture, I just describe it.

                    The state machine is driven by Putin. The liberal public is pressing hard on the handbrake (21%) and at the same time shouting: "Putin, step on the gas", and the car can hardly creep. The outraged public, hearing the cries of the liberals and seeing that the car practically stands still, yells: "Down with Putin, Take me to soap, give me a new one!" Gentlemen, are you yelling at that one?

                    If every third person puts sticks in the wheels, and Stroporez says that every second one, then what kind of management efficiency do you expect?

                    We ourselves are the creators of our own, both happiness and unhappiness.

                    Remember this quote: "Everything happens in the best way in accordance with the real morality and ethics of all participants in the process".
                    1. +10
                      18 July 2020 13: 02
                      Quote: Boris55
                      and the car is barely creeping

                      Quote: Boris55
                      Gentlemen, are you yelling at that?

                      Is it not the driver's fault that his car is "barely crawling"?
                      1. -3
                        18 July 2020 14: 05
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Is it not the driver's fault that his car is "barely crawling"?

                        "You rule, but they rule you too" Plutarch.


                        Control is not only when from top to bottom, but also from bottom to top. It is impossible to impose something on society if society is not ready to accept it, and even more so if it opposes it in every possible way.

                        What you want to the core is clear, but what do you want next?
                    2. +5
                      18 July 2020 13: 27
                      Boris, an example in a studio, when at least someone did not give the decree that he wanted to accept the GDP?
                      1. -6
                        18 July 2020 14: 19
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Boris, an example in a studio, when at least someone did not give the decree that he wanted to accept the GDP?

                        And what decree did he want to adopt? laughing
                        1. +3
                          18 July 2020 16: 40
                          umm .. let's play lawyers? ok, what decree he wanted to issue and could not because of the opposition of someone?
                        2. -2
                          18 July 2020 16: 51
                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          what decree did he want to issue and could not because of anybody’s opposition?

                          Are you asking me this? I thought it was my question to you. laughing
                          He could not issue a decree contrary to the current Constitution.
                        3. +3
                          18 July 2020 17: 04
                          The President governs the country - by decrees and orders
                          Your words - * The state machine, which is driven by Putin. The liberal community is pressing hard on the handbrake (21%) and at the same time shouting: "Putin, step on the gas," but the car can hardly creep. *
                          Tell me, how and when someone didn’t give, prevented him (pulled the handbrake) to do what he wanted .. just who said when, and we won't give you Vladimych, shall we pull the handbrake?
                        4. -2
                          18 July 2020 17: 26
                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          Tell me, how and when someone didn’t give, prevented him (pulled the handbrake) to do what he wanted .. just who said when, and we won't give you Vladimych, shall we pull the handbrake?

                          Power is not a tag on the boss’s office and not a boss’s chair. Power is the practical ability to control.

                          The ability to control depends on the desire of the controlled to be controlled.

                          An army proverb: "In order for the chief to carry the service, he must have a regimental goat." If out of a hundred of about 21 goats and 33 goats, then managing such a herd is very problematic. Instead of directing all the energy to creation, you have to spend a significant part of it on bad.

                          You can, of course, issue a decree like: "From tomorrow we have communism" and what will it come?
                        5. +1
                          19 July 2020 07: 53
                          those. in the sense that they do not want to execute the correct decrees, you bastards? and who appoints them has the right to remove and appoint others? Whose fault, commander or fighters, if subordinates do not follow orders? subordinates? this is when in the history of mankind this rolled? Boris, this is again about the good tsar-bad boyars or what? so the army then raises the question of the competence of the commander — if no one listens to him — why is he needed if there is no authority and everyone puts on him?
                        6. 0
                          19 July 2020 08: 06
                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          those. in the sense that they do not want to execute the correct decrees ...
                          if nobody listens to him, why is he so needed,

                          In order to issue a decree on the offensive of communism from tomorrow:
                          - the elite should want it;
                          - the idea of ​​communism should capture the minds of the majority of society;
                          - the country's economy must be ready for new forms of management.

                          In order to amend the Constitution, it took 27 years of preparatory work. Which one (what did you do) - should you paint?

                          A couple of quotes from smart books:

                          “Indeed, Allah does not change what is with people until they themselves change what is with them.” (Quran 13: 12)

                          “... the Kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: behold, it is here, or: behold, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you ”(Luke 17: 20-21)

                          If society is not ready for change, then no Decrees will force these changes to come, and the ruler who issued them will look stupid.

                          "You rule, but you are also ruled" ....
                        7. 0
                          19 July 2020 08: 21
                          Putin is not stupid enough to issue a decree on the onset of communism .. even more, he does not need 100 years of age in obuzh..v 1917 right by the majority of the minds of the inhabitants of Russia possessed the idea of ​​revolution? I think not, but it happened .. You are right * "Truly, Allah does not change what is with people until they themselves change what is with them." * Only when and whom did the rulers ask about this? Do you think that at least one ruler would go to war - "for" a referendum? Therefore, they always decided for themselves .. Peter 1 would have many people supported in the construction of St. Petersburg? that's why I didn't ask .. there will always be dissenting people ..
                          So we come to the main point - some hypothetical citizens are against them - yes, and the devil will put up with them ... this did not stop any of the rulers in the history of mankind .. but to say that your subordinates stopped you is just a shame ..
                          Initially, I asked a specific question for you, Boris, give an example when the boyars were not allowed to make the tsar something good, what did he want? You did not answer, because there is nothing .. I do not believe that someone in our country can send GDP tries ... he can bend anyone .. if he wants .. in the early 2000s bent the oligarchs? bent .. because he wanted .. and no boyars did not interfere ... and now - can not? is impotence political? why then is it needed, if nothing can? but I think everything he can, just doesn’t want ..
                        8. 0
                          19 July 2020 08: 39
                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          1917 right by the majority of the minds of the inhabitants of Russia possessed the ideas of the revolution?

                          Yes. And the "Narodniks" were doing this. They went to the people and explained to them who was to blame for their troubles.

                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          only when and whom did the rulers ask about this?

                          The opinion of the people is formed by the media. It is not for nothing that we have as many as 20 free TV channels (populists).

                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          Do you think that at least one ruler would go to war - "for" a referendum?

                          Easy. Look at Ukraine. They have their own "populists". laughing

                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          but to say that your subordinates stopped you is just a shame ...
                          give an example when the boyars were not allowed to do something good for the king, what did he want?

                          Not subordinates stopped, but the people, the economy are not ready for some changes. These changes must "mature".

                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          he can bend anyone

                          You are wrong. There are clan agreements that he cannot violate.

                          "State policy and management in a crowd-" elite "society is an agreement reached on the capabilities of various clan-corporate groupings in using the state structure and system to achieve their narrowly corporate goals."
                        9. 0
                          19 July 2020 08: 48
                          5. in the early 2000s, the Khodorkovsky-Berezovskys had no influence - were they some kind of bullshit? Are you kidding?
                          4.And the people are against the pension reform, not ready .. and? stopped?
                          3. Are you sure that if a referendum had been held in Ukraine, the majority would have said, Donbass? really not sure .. all the more in Ukraine with Khataskrainism ..
                          2. As for the media .. I was in the civil service and personally watched the sending of the news draft to the curators .. for this there is nothing more to say .. And .. besides, does the media run the president? come on..
                          1. Do not exaggerate .. What kind of populists, for example in the Kuban in 1917, telling - drop the house / farm / family and for the revolution ahead, did they only learn about the revolution in a year? About St. Petersburg and Peter who did not ask but built, you did not answer, or did he have no boyars, what is against?
                        10. 0
                          19 July 2020 09: 23
                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          1. Do not exaggerate .. What nafig populists for example in the Kuban in 1917,

                          What, there were no agitators. Then where did the Red Cossacks and Whites come from?
                          Narodniks went to the people before the revolution took place.

                          Quote: 2 level advisor
                          3. Are you sure that if a referendum had been held in Ukraine, the majority would have said, Donbass was urine?

                          Do you think that there is no army in Ukraine? In order for some people to go to war against others - you need to be brainwashed and deprive them of their usual way of earning - if you want to live, go to fight. And they go, not for the sake of killing, but for the sake of feeding the family.

                          Quote: 2 level advisor
                          I was in the civil service and personally observed the sending of the draft news to the curators

                          The media is one of the elements of ideological power and is under its complete control.

                          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                          4.And the people are against the pension reform, not ready .. and? stopped?

                          The IMF wants were then higher than ours and the people did not accept.

                          About Peter 1. The slaves (serfs) are not asked what they want.

                          ps
                          We are starting to leave in particular and it will not end with anything good. You will bring a thousand of your arguments, I - mine. In the end we will send each other and everyone will remain unconvinced. Until. Thanks for the chat. hi
                        11. 0
                          19 July 2020 10: 33
                          I agree, it makes no sense .. I will not change you, the king is good, the boyars are bad ...
                          Narodniks in the Kuban were in 1918, in 1917 there was no ..
                          I smile at your confidence in the influence of the media on the president ... (apparently, journalists rule the country)
                          The people didn’t accept the IMF’s Wishlist and he did it, so who’s the main one?
                          The serfs are not asked .. but they ask us?
                          Ok .. all the best hi
              2. -12
                18 July 2020 08: 49
                Yesterday I watched as Putin "utilized" Yekaterinburg over 13 years with new roads, junctions, schools, gardens, medical centers, new districts and new private sectors, etc. Naturally, after such disposal, residents will vote for him again, no matter how puffed up you laughing
                1. +16
                  18 July 2020 09: 13
                  Why are people from the Urals and Siberia stretching to the European part of the Russian Federation, if the authorities there try so hard?
                2. +1
                  18 July 2020 10: 11
                  Quote: Fungus
                  Yesterday I watched as Putin Yekaterinburg over 13 years "utilized"

                  Was there two years ago. Handsomely.
                3. +10
                  18 July 2020 11: 47
                  Well, where are the new roads in the hinterland? Why are there so many abandoned settlements and enterprises? And they want to make Sverdlovsk a megalopolis city. What for? For the convenience of monitoring citizens? Why should the territories be cleared, and the people should be resettled in a limited space? Modern reservations for the indigenous population? Why is the indigenous population declining and foreigners invited? For what? How to understand Putin's latest appeal to migration to Russia? We are successfully disposing of the population in Russia and we invite those who wish to dispose of in Russia! So why understand his words? Why are Japan and Australia not inviting migrants? Today there is an enlargement of the territories of Russia. Why and why? Is there a successful utilization of the population and there is no need for such a management apparatus? All the same, the entire remaining population will be driven into the metropolis by the economic method. And what are the proposals for the narrow specialization of territories? To give them to TNCs? Will there be TNC laws then? Not? But what about the Advanced Development Territories-TOPs? TORs is a training in the distribution of territories to different TNCs?
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              4. -18
                18 July 2020 08: 59
                besides, they attributed 20 million and the whole network is screaming about it

                He was right under the table with laughter. The network is screaming .... oh, I can't. The opinion of the garbage is more important than the facts. The CEC gave its own figures, the two percent do not believe - we collect evidence and go to court. Immediately in the ECHR, and soon they will come up with laws that will allow you to put a bolt on all these ECHR and other
                1. +8
                  18 July 2020 13: 10
                  Quote: mark2
                  He was right under the table with laughter.

                  Well, how's it going under the table? Not too dusty? Do not empty bottles? Well this is you, tidy up there at the same time, any use will be at least somehow. Although, considering how often you find yourself there, you’re probably more familiar there, in your element, so to speak.
                  Quote: mark2
                  The network is screaming .... oh, I can't.

                  Enough is enough! Enough! Stop! I can’t laugh anymore! It’s necessary to blurt out this ... the network is screaming ... the network, Karl! How can the network scream? She is not alive! Rzhunimagu! And what specific network did he mean, interesting? Fishing? Or maybe a camouflage, or even a filter mesh? Interest Ask. Man, do you happen to know which network he was going to?
                  Quote: mark2
                  CEC cited its figures, two percent do not believe

                  Yes, they got it already with their suspicions of fraud. Most importantly, not a single evidence. Some videos are laid out with the stuffing of some papers in the ballot boxes, supposedly, the confessions of former members of the election commissions, testimonies of witnesses of the stuffing of bundles with ballots, polls of voters themselves at the exit from the polls. Well, you never know what papers the members of the election commissions throw there in the ballot boxes? Maybe it's toilet paper or drafts from work? I generally believe that these are brochures from Auchan or Magnet. They use, so to speak, elections to promote their goods.
                  we collect evidence and to court
                  Right! Let them go to the most fair and honest court in the world, to the Basmanny court, and present their evidence.
                  Quote: mark2
                  Immediately to the ECHR

                  I would put them in jail right away. And then what are you thinking of! Serfs do not want to obey the boyars, give them the truth!
                  Quote: mark2
                  soon they will come up with laws that will allow the bolt to be put on all these ECRs and other

                  It is necessary for the youngster to exponentially take out one of the decisions of the ECHR to Red Square, pull down his pants and panties and put his "BOLT" on this decision. So that the whole world can see how cool we are.
                  I shake your hand firmly, Alexander. It will not be an exaggeration to say that the Motherland rests on people like you.
                  1. -4
                    18 July 2020 16: 00
                    Well no. The homeland rests on people like you - kitchen tights. As on the forum, so all the heroes. And they water the President, and they carry all heresy. And how to go out into the street, to defend their rights, so the National Guard at them is suddenly terrible, or small children need to be fed or the top of all answers, "I have already won my own" and the like. What do you belong to the former or family?
                    And I shouldn't write in a personal message. And I don't need to poke either. , I didn't baptize my children with you, I didn't drink for brotherhood.
                    1. -1
                      18 July 2020 19: 45
                      Quote: mark2
                      Well no. Homeland rests on people like you - kitchen suckers

                      Well, what are you so modest about yourself, Alexander Batkovich? As for me, I "honestly earned" my first political article at the age of 19 wink Since then, already a lot of water has flowed
                      Quote: mark2
                      As on the forum, so all the heroes.

                      Quote: mark2
                      And the President is watered, and all heresy is carried.

                      What are you? Who! Enemies? Interventions? If so, let's shout KARAUL together !!!
                      Quote: mark2
                      What do you belong to the former or family?

                      To existing Yes
                      Quote: mark2
                      And I shouldn't write in a personal message.

                      You offend ... I may have seen a kindred spirit in you ...
                      Quote: mark2
                      And I don't need to poke either. , I didn't baptize my children with you, I didn't drink for brotherhood.

                      Well, you understand who I am? If you do not understand, then at least I felt it. True? People like you have this feeling very strongly developedwink
              5. -12
                18 July 2020 09: 16
                Quote: Stroporez
                besides, they attributed 20 million and the whole network is screaming about it

                The network, in 90 percent of cases, is an information dump. And if social networks, and stupid bloggers, are credible for you, I sincerely regret you. Take advantage of your own conjecture on the disposal of Russia, and better utilize your brain, it seems that you do not need it.
                1. +24
                  18 July 2020 09: 28
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  The network, in 90 percent of cases, is an information dump.

                  Zomboyaschik 100% information garbage! One thing I know for sure is that the galasavalka is falsified and legally insignificant.
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  Take advantage of your own conjecture on the disposal of Russia, and better utilize your brain, it seems that you do not need it.

                  Rude then why? Believe me, I know enough formulations that will reach your very heart.
                  I have repeatedly noted that all Putinophiles are creative boors laughing
                2. -1
                  18 July 2020 10: 09
                  The web is just a source of information. And it depends on your mind how you will use it. You do not seem to know how to use the network, as well as the brain.
                3. +11
                  18 July 2020 13: 04
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  The network, in 90 percent of cases, is an information dump.

                  So what are you doing in the trash?
                4. +6
                  18 July 2020 13: 49
                  Quote: orionvitt
                  The network, in 90 percent of cases, is an information dump.

                  Channel One news and Russia-1
                5. 0
                  19 July 2020 17: 05
                  russia 2 and rent authorities
              6. +8
                18 July 2020 12: 20
                I support.
                The situation is the same as with the presidential elections.
                ALL voted for Grudinin, but Putin won.
                Seisas, whoever you ask, voted against the amendments, but counted exactly the opposite
            2. -5
              18 July 2020 08: 52
              They have moral impudence
            3. +16
              18 July 2020 10: 07
              This is nonsense. Those. I, who voted against, is an enemy of Russia. You, my dear, say, but do not talk. 20 years of your idol's reign have already shown him "good". Just answer one simple question - in what areas of the country's life have we surpassed the Union? Where we have achieved great results. In industry? In agriculture (just don't talk about grain, I already wrote, in the RSFSR the largest harvest was about 120 million tons. But it was mainly grain of the 3rd class and higher, that is, food. Now the first class is not produced from the word at all, the second is a few percent and together with the third it is exported. According to the new GOST, flour from grade 4 grain can be added to bread. This is in full swing. Milk in the RSFSR was produced 2 times more (with a herd of 40 million cattle - now 10 million). In culture? In science? In space exploration? In education? Oh, yes, they began to distribute as much as a whole hectare of land in the Far East. True, people are leaving there, during the time of the idol, almost 5 million have left. even in the tundra, they want to distribute a piece of land in the form of a hectare. ”Maybe in life expectancy we surpassed the Union ?.
              And do not whine, you have to wait. Our grandfathers, under the leadership of Stalin, raised the country for 15 years.
              So the main enemies are such scoundrels as you are the same 2%!
              1. -12
                18 July 2020 10: 22
                Just answer one simple question - in what areas of the country's life have we surpassed the Union?

                You asked the right question. You specifically enter into "we". Tell us how you, as a private person, surpassed an ordinary person from the USSR. Maybe you have some personal achievements, maybe you opened a production that brings income and benefits to the country.
                1. +11
                  18 July 2020 11: 51
                  And which of the modern oligarchs benefits the country? And which country? What benefits do they bring to themselves? Which of the oligarchs does not take money from the budget, but does everything on their own?
                  1. -8
                    18 July 2020 12: 16
                    And why didn't you personally become an oligarch and would be useful.
                    1. +15
                      18 July 2020 13: 05
                      And you probably became an oligarch and benefit the country by exporting capital abroad?
                2. +2
                  18 July 2020 13: 43
                  And the country is not governed by Constantine, if you do not know .. and he is not a country .. or do you think that people were good in the USSR, but now they have deteriorated?
                3. +5
                  18 July 2020 14: 16
                  Why should I surpass myself? That's a really stupid question. After college, I honestly served in the Far Eastern Military District, from 90 to 97, and was a good officer. Remind you how it was served then? When people like you yelled at us "freeloader". I am still a good specialist in my field. Instrumentation. Yes, just the head and hands are working. And believe me, I can replace the GDP. Not duller than him.
            4. +7
              18 July 2020 11: 30
              You, who vote and oppose Putin, limit his ability to govern the country, and then resent the fact that he is not doing something there ...
              And how does someone's voice affect Putin? Why is Putin completely unaffected by the accounts of his friends? Or do friends' accounts influence Putin more than votes? What have Putin's friends done for Russia? Where is their result of love for Russia?
            5. +12
              18 July 2020 12: 59
              Quote: Boris55
              You, who vote and oppose Putin, limit his ability to govern the country, and then resent the fact that he is not doing something there ...

              How do we, his opponents, limit his possibilities? We criticize his rule based on the real state of affairs in our country.
          3. -22
            18 July 2020 08: 40
            Burns from Putin? It's good. The fate of your two percent will burn all the time) Putinism will not be demolished. Normal people won't let you do it with XNUMX%.
            1. +26
              18 July 2020 08: 47
              Quote: Fungus
              Burns from Putin? It's good. The fate of your two percent will burn all the time) Putinism will not be demolished. Normal people won't let you do it with XNUMX%.

              Personally, I do not burn, it's just my class enemy and traitor, but purely humanly, I despise him with all the proletarian hatred.
              1. -14
                18 July 2020 09: 24
                YOU, class enemies, have always used the WEST to slow down RUSSIA as a state. They just don't need another powerful competitor in the market. Therefore, they have always bought such "class" as you are to destroy RUSSIA. And it began long before the Bolsheviks, bought by Germany, Britain and the USA. And you are still a prisoner of the class ravings of your owners (willingly or unwillingly). hi
                1. +8
                  18 July 2020 11: 59
                  So how did Russia take off after liberation from the ideas of communism? Why did she brake so sharply? The West needs the raw materials of Russia ?! What are we driving to the West? Or is it the West forcibly shakes from Russia? Those who keep money there and have property there, who are they? Friends of Russia or the West? Is Russia a competitor to the West? In what? In what areas? Has Russia Tied Up Half the World on the Russian Internet and Software?
                  1. -4
                    18 July 2020 12: 44
                    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                    Does the West need Russian raw materials ?! And what are we driving to the West?

                    So it was not in the USSR that a "pipe" was built through Ukraine?
                2. +11
                  18 July 2020 13: 10
                  Quote: Vlad5307
                  Therefore, they always bought such "class" as you are to destroy RUSSIA

                  They bought you in 1991 for jeans and chewing gum wink tongue
            2. +12
              18 July 2020 09: 16
              Quote: Fungus
              Putinism will not be demolished

              I don’t care if they demolish it or not. But I do not care how the country will develop in the future. And in my opinion, GDP laid a negative component in this indicator. According to the OECD, Russia among the BRICS countries does not look the most promising in terms of purchasing power for the period until 2060.
            3. +6
              18 July 2020 11: 53
              What do normal people mean? Nine sick people standing in front of one healthy person decided that he was sick. So these sick people are normal?
            4. +3
              18 July 2020 13: 46
              * Is on fire from Putin? It's good. The fate of your two percent will burn all the time) Putinism will not be demolished. Normal people won't let you do it with XNUMX%. *

              how does Vitek burn when he grunts .. it’s scary to imagine .. and everything will be blown away by itself ..
              How can you not understand Putin is not Russia. Russia hundreds of years before him has already been and will be after God willing ..
          4. +3
            18 July 2020 17: 13
            Rosgvardia can still buy cabbage at 50 rubles per kg !!! And generally not your business)))))
        2. -9
          18 July 2020 08: 45
          Quote: parusnik
          But what about the import substitution policy?
          Reply

          Sarcasm, but ... our naerokobrah flew ... beat, the fascist with his own weapon was not immediately launched into the series. Here is import substitution - fragments of Soviet divisions with heavy battles moved to the Don River. Then the valiant Red Army had to retreat under heavy pressure to one of the Volga towns. Its name is Stalingrad, and the name of the city has become just a meticulous notch on the operational map.
          1. +4
            18 July 2020 10: 08
            Sarcasm, but ... our aircrafts flew ...
            .... Yes, and now the civilian fleet mainly flies on imported aircraft, we put imported engines and imported navigation equipment on civilian ships, the car industry is imported ... It is clear that the war on world terrorism ... And I understand that to create something like an American helicopter we cannot, if we buy ... as there the managers of the country say: we ourselves cannot buy it better ... the war ... laughing
            1. -2
              18 July 2020 10: 37
              Quote: parusnik
              ... And even now the civilian fleet mainly flies on imported aircraft, we install imported engines on civilian ships
              The siuation is understandable and completely ordinary. My plant produced the most IL-2.
              1. +6
                18 July 2020 11: 03
                Is the production still going on? ... If so, make a delivery to the Russian Guard, instead of American helicopters. IL-2 is a good car ...
      2. +1
        18 July 2020 08: 56
        In order to produce something you need a certain VOLUME of the market.
        The domestic market (i.e. the defense market) for light helicopters is too small for our own production.
        Due to the fact that light helicopters hardly developed in the USSR, and taking into account the general drawdown in the 90s, the Russian Federation has a serious lag in this sector.
        In order to produce light helicopters on a large enough scale, it is necessary to conquer not only our domestic market, but also to grab a significant share of the international one, and there Italian, French and, of course, American machines dominate, which have been steadily developing for the previous 60-70 years; people are accustomed to having cars from these firms; service and training of pilots and technicians, etc.
        1. +3
          18 July 2020 12: 06
          If you didn’t hand over all the spheres of influence of the USSR at the time, we would have half the world today to sell our goods. It was not for nothing that the states then fought against the USSR. They understood perfectly well that the expansion of socialism is moving towards the conquest of new markets. Themselves are constantly fighting to expand their markets! And then bam! The Union made them such a joke! Began to deprive them of their zones of influence, sales and dough! There was a reason to breed moles in the leadership of the USSR!
      3. +5
        18 July 2020 10: 33
        Quote: parusnik
        But what about the import substitution policy

        This is a helicopter - who needs a helicopter.
      4. +10
        18 July 2020 12: 51
        Quote: parusnik
        But what about the import substitution policy.

        Completely failed. Only slogans remained from import substitution.
      5. +1
        18 July 2020 13: 48
        Quote: parusnik
        "Robinson Helicopter"

        No imports!
        The island is uninhabited.
    3. for
      -1
      18 July 2020 08: 20
      And when the transfer of the SUIT will be.
    4. +10
      18 July 2020 08: 23
      Yes, immediately equip spacecrafts, which is already there)
    5. -10
      18 July 2020 09: 28
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Yes, immediately equip spacecrafts, which is already there)

      Someday it will come to this - progress does not stand still, like the enemies of Russia, who come up with ever new social theories (problems), to destroy Russia and its foundations.
      1. +6
        18 July 2020 12: 08
        Enemies! Enemies! And who are they, enemies? What are they? What are you doing? What hostile activities are they doing?
    6. +4
      18 July 2020 10: 03
      When it was Mi 34. What prevents to launch it into the series? Or is it so bad in performance characteristics?
      1. +6
        18 July 2020 10: 22
        Once upon a time Mi 34
        ....Is not cool... laughing As the managers of the country say, it's easier to buy than to produce your own ... There is money for this, but ... there is no money, but you hold on .... laughing
        1. +3
          18 July 2020 10: 50
          Probably imported helicopters, of a small class, have an advantage over domestic ones .... well, in a normal state they tend to do their own things better, and not take imported ones.
          We sho, the new Serdyukov is not enough ???
          This is no longer an official quirk, it is really worse ...
    7. Ham
      -3
      18 July 2020 10: 07
      Why is everyone so nervous about the full restoration of the internal troops?
      1. -5
        18 July 2020 10: 21
        Yes, it burns with them. Everything that is being done in Russia, in terms of strengthening (whatever), is like a sickle in one place for them.
      2. -6
        18 July 2020 10: 28
        And because Putin's class opponents, such as Stroporez, although they will never start an open class confrontation themselves, they are afraid that the corridor of opportunities in this area is rapidly narrowing). Whoever did not have time, he was late.
        1. +5
          18 July 2020 12: 12
          What is the class confrontation among the bourgeois? Maybe a clan one? Their family clans are more than one hundred years old and it's stupid to try to get into their family! But our people thought that money was everything and they made a big mistake!
          1. +4
            18 July 2020 13: 53
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            What is the class opposition of the bourgeoisie? Maybe a clan one?

            Their opposition is pocket.
            Everyone has their own pocket. So - they resist, with their pockets.
      3. +2
        18 July 2020 12: 09
        And who defeated the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Which commander and whose country?
    8. +4
      18 July 2020 10: 46
      And sho, so many foreign helicopters have already been bought, there is nowhere to go? Don't need yours anymore? This is strange.
    9. +6
      18 July 2020 11: 09
      I wonder why the pseudo "guardsmen" needed foreign turntables? Someone's gilded seat to mix in space and time? Such an expensive pleasure will turn out both with the service staff and with the repair ...
      Here the collapse of the country is mentioned due to the poor training of the fighters ... This happened not because there were bad explosives and experts were catching flies. There was no command to press the liberal riffraff to the nail. And the same can happen with the current military education, I can't even give them submarines, strategic aviation and the Strategic Missile Forces. Lions, under the command of a ram, have no chance against rams under the control of a lion.
    10. +3
      18 July 2020 12: 12
      The main task is to carry out amphibious transport tasks, conduct aerial reconnaissance, as well as search and patrol in the interests of the territorial directorates of the North Caucasian District of the National Guard troops and interacting departments.

      Wasn't it easier and cheaper for reconnaissance to equip this base with an Oreon UAV?
    11. +4
      18 July 2020 12: 50
      Aviation of the National Guard will cover the guarantor when he flies to heaven.
      1. +1
        18 July 2020 13: 41
        Quote: mag nit
        Aviation of the National Guard will cover the guarantor when he flies to heaven.

        I'm afraid the "Chief Dispatcher" can deploy this flight.
    12. +2
      18 July 2020 13: 39
      According to the message detachments of the new squadron Rosgvardia is also located in Dagestan, Kabardino-Balkaria and the Chechen Republic.

      What is it like ?
      Would have already written "divisions of the new squadron ...". And it sounds prettier.
    13. +2
      18 July 2020 14: 02
      And the Robinsons to hell, generals for beer or brandy fly?
    14. +2
      18 July 2020 17: 37
      The note was about the squadron, and comments on the most pressing topic.

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