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Foreign Policy: Russians have little money and are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India

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Foreign Policy: Russians have little money and are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India

The Western edition of The Foreign Policy has published columnist material Sumit Ganguli, which talks about the growing confrontation between India and China. And the publication would not have been Western if it had not written about "the best way to fight India with China."


Summit Ganguli writes that in this way for India would be "the termination of close contacts with Moscow and the establishment of ties with Washington."

From the material:

In late June, just a few days after a deadly battle on the border between Indian and Chinese forces, Indian Defense Minister Rajnat Singh went to Moscow to take part in a parade dedicated to the victory over Nazi Germany. During his visit, Singh made a deal to acquire fighters and other weapons worth $ 2,4 billion. The agreement followed the agreement reached last year when India decided to acquire the S-400 air defense systems, despite clear objections from the United States.

The author finds it strange that India continues to rely on Russian weapons at a time “when there is no shortage of other suppliers.” The Ganguli leads, of course, the United States of America.

The Foreign Policy commentator says India’s purchase of Russian weapons is driven by “past decisions.”

From the article:

Despite the fact that India seeks to diversify its sources of supply, up to 60 percent of its military arsenal is of either Soviet or Russian origin. Not surprisingly, India is still dependent on Russia for spare parts and the modernization of its arsenal.

Another reason the author calls the position of Russia itself:

The Russians have too little money, and they are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India.

It is added that India is not always ready to acquire weapons from the United States because of the position of Congress, since it often itself restricts transactions for the supply of modern weapons abroad.
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  1. dml9
    dml9 17 July 2020 16: 03 New
    15
    And the United States has a lot of money, but they are also happy to give someone their Patriots. request
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 July 2020 16: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: dml9
      And the United States has a lot of money, but they are also happy to give someone their Patriots. request

      Notice winked , here is the keyword
      first class weapon
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 17 July 2020 16: 28 New
        +5
        laughing It is difficult to apply this keyword to the Patriots.
      2. Maki maki
        Maki maki 17 July 2020 16: 53 New
        11
        Each sandpiper praises its swamp smile
    2. 4ekist
      4ekist 17 July 2020 17: 34 New
      +4
      "India has decided to acquire the S-400 air defense system, despite clear objections from the United States ......"

      It suddenly became funny already .... the protesters object.
  2. ultra
    ultra 17 July 2020 16: 03 New
    0
    And did the author receive money for this “article”? wassat
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 July 2020 16: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: ultra
      And did the author receive money for this “article”? wassat

      Well, I didn’t take it with cartridges.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 17 July 2020 16: 31 New
      12
      Sumit Ganguly has little money and is happy to sell his murky Foreign Policy article. laughing
      1. DIM (a)
        DIM (a) 17 July 2020 17: 27 New
        +2
        Well said! smile
  3. poquello
    poquello 17 July 2020 16: 15 New
    +7
    such a sediment as the "petriot" of India is not needed
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 July 2020 16: 21 New
    +4
    Count the money in your pocket! Do not count strangers ...
  5. mark2
    mark2 17 July 2020 16: 21 New
    +4
    There is not much money. Buy - why not sell. Especially weapons collectors such as Hindus, still need to search
  6. codetalker
    codetalker 17 July 2020 16: 25 New
    +2
    Military-technical cooperation is not entirely about money. More precisely, not only about money.
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 July 2020 16: 30 New
    +1
    It’s not good to count someone else’s money, otherwise God will punish! Mama probably brought up badly?
  8. Runoway
    Runoway 17 July 2020 16: 33 New
    -7
    And where does the money from the Russians come from when the authorities and the oligarchs are solid "Russians"
    In general, modern Russia is more reminiscent of the individual principalities of ancient Russia before the arrival of the Golden Horde. A separate principality of Sechin, Miller, Deripaska (very clearly showed that the Norilsk kingdom is his and the governor there for the state) and many others. Yes, of course, on the whole, after the EBN, it can be seen that they gathered and thought, they say the trouble is over all of us, we need to throw off the defense industry and so on for little things. For the rest, as 4% of the population stratum fattened, it continues to take the lion's share of the country's wealth
    1. mark2
      mark2 17 July 2020 16: 49 New
      0
      And where does the money from the Russians come from when the authorities and the oligarchs are solid "Russians"


      And where are they not oligarchs? Maybe the point is not in them, but in someone’s money machine does not stop?
      before the advent of the Golden Horde. Separate Principality of Sechin, Miller, Deripaska

      And with the advent of the horde, all-Russian blasphemy came straight
      Yes, of course, in general, after the EBN, we apparently got together and pondered, saying that the trouble is over all of us, we need to throw ourselves into the defense industry and so on the little things.

      Well yes. Elites sooner or later realize that besides their country, nobody needs them, with their collections of dollars.
      And the rest, as a 4% stratum of the population was fat, it continues to take the lion's share of the country's wealth

      Well, as we wanted? This is capitalism. The complete exploitation of the proletariat for wages, and the capitalist takes all the surplus value. 29 years ago, we ourselves chose this path. And here it is not necessary to recall the bike about voting for the preservation of the USSR. Nobody was protecting the EGT. Civil did not happen, so the majority agreed by default.
      1. Runoway
        Runoway 17 July 2020 16: 54 New
        0
        What is wrong with the PRC, South Korea, and Singapore (why is capitalism not harmful to them)? The Russian Federation is more like India, although not, they have castes to the detriment and fertility, and there are few brains. I’ll even ask in a different way: “Tell me another country with the same reserves and scientific and technological potential, who, with all this, has such a disastrous economy and standard of living?
        1. 5-9
          5-9 17 July 2020 17: 16 New
          -5
          Ohhhhh ... the extra profits from the export of hydrocarbons go to the maintenance of the 2nd military force in the world (the 3rd one swallows dust somewhere far from the horizon) and industry for it so that these resources are not taken away ... even with PPP we have everything 4 bulbs (like in Germany), and in the USA approx. 16 (this is real, cleaned up from postscripts, nominally officially - 21), China - 23 ... and 150 million is not 320 (+500 in Europe) or 1400 China ..
    2. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 17 July 2020 21: 06 New
      +2
      no, it just dawned on the smartest that without the state as a roof having real sovereignty (read - atomic weapons) they would democratically squeeze everything out, and life is the same ... Milosevic clearly showed this ..
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 18 July 2020 10: 05 New
      0
      Yes, of course, in general, after the EBN, we apparently got together and pondered, saying that the trouble is over all of us, we need to throw ourselves into the defense industry and so on the little things. For the rest, as 4% of the population stratum fattened, it continues to take the lion's share of the country's wealth
      I have been telling my Putinists about this for a long time, but everyone believes in a bright future with these people.
  9. 5-9
    5-9 17 July 2020 16: 39 New
    +4
    Russians have too little money ????

    Is this with a surplus of foreign trade balance of 60-70% ??? Yes, they simply don’t allow us to spend them ... because this is an undermining of the current world financial system, when a certain part of export earnings should be returned to the USA and a little in the West ... failure is equal to a declaration of war ... therefore we can spend on infrastructure like 2018 Olympics or World Cup ...

    Little money ... is this a country with a budget deficit and a trade deficit per year of trill? Where is a quarter of the budget paid in %%?
  10. Morglenn
    Morglenn 17 July 2020 16: 41 New
    -6
    The Russians have too little money, and they themselves are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India

    But what did he actually say wrong? All the latest weapons immediately flow abroad, although his own army is rearming at a snail's pace or does not even see them in the eye.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 July 2020 16: 49 New
      -2
      Russia is not participating in the arms race - this is why the pace of rearmament is corresponding.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 18 July 2020 10: 07 New
        0
        For us, we should not talk about the arms race, Vadim, but about the race for survival.
    2. poquello
      poquello 17 July 2020 16: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Morglenn
      All the latest weapons immediately flow abroad

      Che S-500 already sold to someone?
    3. 5-9
      5-9 17 July 2020 17: 18 New
      +1
      Well, yes, 440 combat aircraft in a decade and dozens of S-400 divisions or upgraded tanks more than the United States in general it is ... turtle pace ... do we need to even more take away hospitals from pregnant pensioners ??? Or too many bridges with roads?
      1. Morglenn
        Morglenn 17 July 2020 22: 39 New
        -1
        we can recall the T-90s, which India has more than 3 times in Russia, BMP-3 which the UAE has more than Russia itself, 2c31 veins of which the army almost did not see at all, and they all went to Azerbaijan. And this is only that offhand remembered.
        1. Lena Petrova
          Lena Petrova 18 July 2020 07: 07 New
          +1
          India is not our neighbor and enemy at all. Let them buy (and they have living money), but with profit and you can put something for free.
        2. 5-9
          5-9 18 July 2020 09: 26 New
          +1
          And if you remember how many Leo2 Germany and other countries have? In this case, for some reason, the Germans are praised for how well they sell their tanks ..
          The tank park of the Russian Federation is the strongest in the world ...
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 17 July 2020 16: 43 New
    -1
    No one will sell modern weapons to third countries. This is an axiom. These guys take a lot on themselves.
  12. pexotinec
    pexotinec 17 July 2020 16: 52 New
    +3
    Well, at least our weapon was called first-class and thanks for that.
  13. bubasa
    bubasa 17 July 2020 16: 53 New
    +1
    Absolutely true statement, and given that the United States is selling its weapons to anyone ... we can conclude that the United States is poor. Thank God that in the United States in general and this edition in particular, there are such online ones;)
  14. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 17 July 2020 17: 05 New
    0
    Russians have little money
    This is true
    first class weapon
    and it is true
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 July 2020 17: 34 New
      +2
      They manage to combine this and without realizing it, that our weapons are more effective and cheaper, the best advertisement. yes
  15. 5-9
    5-9 17 July 2020 17: 05 New
    +3
    By the way, in the White House (not Reytheon even) they get hysterical when someone buys the S-400 instead of the Patriot RAS-3 ... and the officials simply burst with pride, the code of some oil sheikhs can be untwisted for the purchase of American weapons ... it would seem ridiculous billions or tens or a “deal of the century” for 100 lard .. when the Fed directs these days through non-KEE trillions to primary dealer banks falls off ... it turns out earned and printed dollars are different dollars (probably in the USA there is no hyperinflation yet)
  16. Egoza
    Egoza 17 July 2020 17: 25 New
    +4
    A short memory in India. They would honor their history, maybe they would remember the Anglo-Saxons and their descendants - Americans. You can’t wash off a black dog. Nothing good will come of them, accepting help from the Americans.
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 July 2020 17: 32 New
      +4
      The Anglo-Saxons will never leave India alone, they will pull it into their circle of interests with all their might.
  17. cniza
    cniza 17 July 2020 17: 31 New
    +4
    Despite the fact that India seeks to diversify its sources of supply, up to 60 percent of its military arsenal is of either Soviet or Russian origin. Not surprisingly, India is still dependent on Russia for spare parts and the modernization of its arsenal.


    And they want it to depend on the United States ...
  18. DIM (a)
    DIM (a) 17 July 2020 17: 31 New
    +1
    Not surprisingly, India is still dependent on Russia for spare parts and the modernization of its arsenal.

    that is, India is more interested in depending on the USA? Strange approach ...
    The US ... often itself restricts deals on the supply of modern weapons abroad

    And what kind of diversification can we talk about?
  19. Rostislav
    Rostislav 17 July 2020 17: 40 New
    +1
    The Russians have little money, and they themselves are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India

    Penguins have a lot of money, and they themselves would be happy to sell their old weapons to India.
  20. Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 17 July 2020 17: 56 New
    +1
    those. The United States would sell the Patriots, but with neglect?)
  21. Old26
    Old26 17 July 2020 18: 13 New
    -2
    Quote: Carrier
    It's not about the money .. And the impact on India, our weapons, our advisers, technicians, etc.
    Would buy our air defense echeloned (expensive) then they wouldn’t know China, Pakistan would not be scared .. But they’re squeezing something

    write nonsense, dear! To buy a layered air defense, against which neither China nor Pakistan would be scary - it will take a very, very much money and a lot of time. For you have to buy much more than a regiment kit. You will need to buy a dozen or two regimental sets of only S-400, not to mention another air defense. So it is NOT REAL. And buying a regiment kit is most likely a game to the public. They, like the S-300 Iranians, will tear it up into sub-divisions, which means that they will “take out” this division if they wish

    Quote: 5-9
    By the way, in the White House (not Reytheon even) they get hysterical when someone buys the S-400 instead of the Patriot RAS-3 ... and the officials simply burst with pride, the code of some oil sheikhs can be untwisted for the purchase of American weapons ...

    Had a chance to attend such a tantrum in the White House ???? Well, congratulations !!! It turns out they are in such high spheres, and sometimes write nonsense.
    In-1. Any country is glad when someone can currently sell something from military equipment. The market for buyers is small, and there are many suppliers. We, too, were happy and puffed up with pride that we were able to sell the S-400 to India and Turkey, bringing the number of buyers of this system right up to FOUR (versus 2,5 dozens of countries buying the Patriot.
    In-2. Nevertheless, one must understand the technology and not compare the missile defense system with an interception range of 30-35 km with an air defense system, which is mainly intended for hitting aerodynamic targets, and when hitting ballistic targets, both of these systems (RAS-3 and S-400) are approximately equal . If you want to compare - compare the PAC-2 MSE with the C-400, and not with the PAC-3
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 18 July 2020 05: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      If you want to compare - compare the PAC-2 MSE with the C-400, and not with the PAC-3

      And what is there to compare that. American on the battery system, Russian on the divisional. Yanks create their own Packs under the rocket, We rockets under the BIOS DCT. Hence the richer range of weapons with excellent overload characteristics (the American loses) and dunking is not so easy. C-400 is included in A2 / AD Patriot THAAD serve for amplification. That's all the comparisons.
      PS: At what distance did the Chinese shoot down a ballistic target?
  22. rocket757
    rocket757 17 July 2020 18: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Carrier
    It's not about the money .. And the impact on India, our weapons, our advisers, technicians, etc.
    Would buy our air defense echeloned (expensive) then they wouldn’t know China, Pakistan would not be scared .. But they’re squeezing something

    Another old tale .... who did these Soviet / Russian weapons keep in our, albeit b, fellow travelers?
    It was necessary to teach this in those days, whoever of those allies was, then there would be no illusions b!
  23. alex aircraft
    alex aircraft 17 July 2020 18: 49 New
    -1
    We must try to return the Indians to Su 57, and maybe to the armature, boomerang, St. coalition, everything will be cheaper than pulling by ourselves. How strange is participating in F 35? And the market will save your budget.
  24. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 18: 50 New
    +3
    Fools, there is more free money from the Russian Federation than the EU and the USA combined, these creatures have long been in the minuses, minus tens of trillions, the Russian Federation has one, but in the plus, the Chmyri will not argue here.
  25. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 17 July 2020 19: 51 New
    0
    another pro-Western cock crowed for cooperation with the Pindo camp ... there is nothing surprising ... and Russian weapons are really the best in the world in terms of price / quality ratio ... the rest is nuances ... such as personnel training ... purchasing an option for maintenance during operation ... and so on ...
  26. HMR333
    HMR333 17 July 2020 19: 54 New
    +2
    Not a competent pretzel! The United States is interested in the conflict between India and China because of its conflict with China, but they themselves are ready to trynit to go to China and they will be happy to push India! A weapon with 400 is more modern and better and cheaper, and with regard to spare parts it will depend on anyone who buys it, so this is not an argument at all!
  27. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 19: 58 New
    -2
    Russians have a trillion in positive territory, and all Western trillions have a negative in balance, who has little money here?
  28. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 17 July 2020 21: 19 New
    +1
    Diversification in weapons is the path to self-destruction.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 18 July 2020 02: 00 New
      +2
      For example, KSVK, paddle, exhaust, Izhik-38 - from snipers? Where is the way? Way to heaven or hell, I don’t know
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev 18 July 2020 13: 34 New
        0
        I did not understand what you wrote. But I will explain: an increase in the number of systems leads to the complexity of combination, complication of logistics and, as a consequence, to the impossibility of normally organizing supplies and repairs, and at the same time, more specialists are needed, each for a new system. It is better to have a T34-85 and SPGs unified with it than five different-colored tanks, following the example of the Germans.
  29. Adimius38
    Adimius38 17 July 2020 21: 43 New
    0
    So this is not a secret, Russia has always sold the most advanced weapons to India and perhaps really because it was in dire need of money
  30. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 July 2020 01: 52 New
    +1
    A story from those who sell F-35s))) Or, for example, YABCh sold Londonia) Mattresses have a lot of money. Not so much. so as not to sell nuclear weapons)
  31. sen
    sen 18 July 2020 05: 56 New
    +1
    The Russians have little money, and they themselves are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India

    Arms are correct, but Russia has increased its sales of gold and silver abroad sixfold.
    https://futurerussia.gov.ru/nacionalnye-proekty/rf-uvelicila-eksport-zolota-i-serebra-v-6-raz-posle-izmenenij-pravil-vyvoza-do-364-mlrd?utm_source=finobzor.ru
  32. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 18 July 2020 10: 05 New
    0
    The quality of Soviet and now Russian weapons has been tested by India over time, especially since the price of our weapons has never been as high as that of the United States.
  33. barin
    barin 18 July 2020 10: 13 New
    +8
    I am glad to sell Rosoboronexport.
  34. APASUS
    APASUS 18 July 2020 12: 26 New
    0
    The Russians have too little money, and they are happy to sell their first-class weapons to India.

    Experts, only experts around ..........
    Americans are generally poor, since they sell their planes the most in the world.
  35. good
    good 18 July 2020 12: 36 New
    0
    And why should India rely on the United States if they can put India on sanctions at any time, as has happened repeatedly :)))) If they put their NATO allies on a gop-stop or throw it away, then even more so at any moment to bend India can.
  36. Old26
    Old26 18 July 2020 12: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Tusv
    And what is there to compare that. American on the battery system, Russian on the divisional. Yanks create their own Packs under the rocket, We rockets under the BIOS DCT. Hence the richer range of weapons with excellent overload characteristics (the American loses) and dunking is not so easy. C-400 is included in A2 / AD Patriot THAAD serve for amplification. That's all the comparisons.
    PS: At what distance did the Chinese shoot down a ballistic target?

    Namesake, you've dug too deep. For the overwhelming mass of people who write, this is "give a damn". Battery or divisional structure. Basically, they compare the performance characteristics, and sometimes for incomparable systems.
    As for the fact that the Patriot needs THAAD, but the S-400 does not - I think that this is also not true. The THAAD system is still a missile defense system (and only missile defense), with an engagement zone of approximately 200 in range and 200 in height. The "Patriot" PAC-3 has an EMNIP range of about 35-40 km, a height of about 30. The S-400 has approximately the same parameters for intercepting ballistic targets. In terms of range, it is slightly more than that of the Patriot PAC-3 - about 60, according to open sources.

    As for the Chinese and their interception - IMHO this is a fake, the Chinese assertion that they intercepted almost at a distance of 400 km. Aerodynamic target - I believe. But the ballistic one - alas, "I don't believe"

    Quote: bubasa
    Absolutely true statement, and given that the United States is selling its weapons to anyone ... we can conclude that the United States is poor. Thank God that in the United States in general and this edition in particular, there are such online ones;)

    Not everyone. First of all, or allies, or those who need to be "fastened". And we are chasing everyone who is not lazy. If only they took ...

    Quote: Cowbra
    Or for example YABCH London was sold

    Don't write nonsense ...
  37. boris epstein
    boris epstein 18 July 2020 17: 18 New
    0
    And the United States has too much money, but it is constantly trying to sell its weapons to the whole world, even threatening with sanctions, like Turkey.
  38. venaly
    venaly 19 July 2020 16: 48 New
    0
    The United States has a lot of money, but this money is borrowed and unsecured.