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Union State of Russia and Belarus: trampling in one place

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Everyone knows about the existence of the Union State of Russia and Belarus, but few understand how, in this case, to understand the term "state" in relation to two independent countries. The association is positioned as supranational, with its governing bodies, the presence of the state secretary, and supranational legislative body.


But at the moment, all this is more on paper. A real union state still does not exist. There is not a single currency, not a single foreign policy line. Even in the case of coronavirus, Russia and Belarus acted in virtually the opposite way. Moreover, the border between our countries was actually blocked.

Russia and Belarus are often in a state of, if not a political quarrel, then some “misunderstanding”. The reason may lie in the positions of the elites of the two countries. Belarus wants “union” economic preferences, Russia in response to this calls for deeper integration. In Russia, President of the Republic of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko is accused of being "multi-vector," in Minsk they say that in Russia there are oligarchic forces playing against a really effective union. Everyone sees the problem not in themselves, but in a neighbor. Trampling in one place.

On the topic of the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus on the air of the Day channel, expert Sergey Kandybovich ponders. The question is raised whether this project failed completely:

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  1. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 July 2020 17: 08
    26
    An endless theme for writing articles and ranting experts.
    Although all understanding people have long been saying - all garbage, no one will unite. Why should the Belarusian elite let Moscow in their place? They will buy everything, seize it, etc.
    And vice versa .... What wants Gazprom to give Belarus shares?
    1. Vend
      Vend 17 July 2020 17: 11
      -6
      All in good time.
      1. Dr. Gizmo
        Dr. Gizmo 17 July 2020 18: 43
        -6
        I agree that everything has its time. These are two different economic systems, and Belarusians simply will not survive another privatization by Chubais.
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 28 August 2020 16: 23
          0
          Dr. Gizmo (Dr. Gizmo), 17 July 2020 18:43 "... I agree that everything has its time. These are two different economic systems, ..."

          China, THIS did not stop. fellow
          The question is - how and who ?! good
          And ... Obviously not according to Chubais (there is a mouthpiece everywhere) ... wassat
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 17 July 2020 18: 43
      -11 qualifying.
      why stomp? Not trampling, but the complete breakdown of relations. When Belarus got a higher price for gas than Germany, it is now clear who Putin’s friends are, Belarus needs to be fed less and milked more than Putin does.
      1. Gunter prereen
        Gunter prereen 18 July 2020 14: 31
        +1
        So it is necessary for you!
    3. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 17 July 2020 19: 12
      +6
      Too different ruling elites do not agree.
      1. credo
        credo 17 July 2020 21: 27
        +9
        Quote: Ancestors from the Don
        Too different ruling elites do not agree.

        What is the difference between the "elites"?
        There is no difference, just after the collapse of the USSR, the party nomenklatura in each union republic decided that only the local "elite" was allowed to rob the local people in their clearing. them, therefore, the Belarusian "elite" wants to rob their citizens on their own and additionally receive energy resources from Russia at a cheap price, not letting anyone into their meadow, and in particular Russian capital, because it will buy them with giblets.
        That's the only difference.
    4. credo
      credo 17 July 2020 21: 50
      +4
      Quote: Max1995
      An endless theme for writing articles and ranting experts.
      Although all understanding people have long been saying - all garbage, no one will unite. Why should the Belarusian elite let Moscow in their place? They will buy everything, seize it, etc.
      And vice versa .... What wants Gazprom to give Belarus shares?

      Tell me, what’s wrong with the fact that Russian successful and advanced enterprises will buy up the remnants of the former greatness of the BSSR? In relation to the former Union republics, Russia shows itself quite decently, unlike the EU and the USA. Just the former nomenclature of the BSSR really wants to live as good as in the USSR, but at the same time feel like the masters of Belarus. That it’s not the former Union Republic, but all the same thing - the small-town nomenclature seized upon the government, but does not want to live within its means.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 17 July 2020 23: 39
        +2
        Quote: credo
        Please tell me, what’s wrong with the fact that Russian successful and advanced enterprises will buy up the remnants of the former greatness of the BSSR

        Someone thinks that they will come and destroy everything and therefore will not let go, they didn’t let them in well ... as an example, they are now looking for an investor to modernize the Minsk tractor ... and in Russia at this time is going to build their own ...
        ! In March 2021, the Rostselmash enterprise will begin to create a tractor plant. Currently, the site is under construction for a future plant. This was announced by the Governor of the Rostov Region Vasily Golubev. “The issue of the start of construction of the plant was decided by the shareholders of Rostselmash and the management of the enterprise. The investment policy of the company provides, in addition to the tractor, the construction of paint and varnish production, as well as the production of aggregates and equipment with a total investment of 19 billion rubles until 2024. "
        https://regnum.ru/news/economy/3006352.html
        .Not allowed ... the investor will think the same, seeing this in one of the major sales markets .... You can continue - KamAZ 65805 "Samson" - a competitor of BelAZ in the niche of machines with a carrying capacity of 60 tons.
    5. Finches
      Finches 17 July 2020 22: 08
      0
      And I'll tell you why nothing works - because the formulation itself is not viable! What a "union state!" between two nations - twin brothers ?? This is FAMILY! SEED is one! Were born in one womb!
      1. Kapellan23
        Kapellan23 18 July 2020 00: 35
        -4
        Really. What kind of "union state" can there be with separatists?
    6. Cowbra
      Cowbra 18 July 2020 04: 17
      -1
      Quote: Max1995
      Why should the Belarusian elite let Moscow in their place?

      To begin with - not Moscow, but St. Petersburg, you fucking expert!
    7. senima56
      senima56 18 July 2020 13: 06
      0
      Absolutely! Why continue this "marking time"? If there is no goal to unite into one state? Why waste your money? fool
      Everything and everyone needs to be developed within the framework of EURASEC! good
  2. Egoza
    Egoza 17 July 2020 17: 27
    13
    In order to have a strong union state, it is necessary to remove the elite both there and there. Absolutely, so that "new bourgeois" did not arise. that's when things will start.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 17: 54
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      In order to have a strong union state, it is necessary to remove the elite both there and there. Absolutely, so that "new bourgeois" did not arise. that's when things will start.

      As long as there are bourgeois in both states, they will not allow the creation of a union state.
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 17 July 2020 17: 56
      16
      Quote: Egoza
      In order to have a strong union state, it is necessary to remove the elite both there and there. Absolutely, so that "new bourgeois" did not arise. that's when things will start.

      It is difficult to disagree with this. It is the economic interests of the so-called "elites" that prevent the unification of the two fraternal peoples. And for cover, our peoples play off each other.
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 17 July 2020 18: 44
      -11 qualifying.
      Quote: Egoza
      In order to have a strong union state, it is necessary to remove the elite both there and there. Absolutely, so that "new bourgeois" did not arise. that's when things will start.

      there are no billionaires in Belarus who rob people, as in Russia, so there are differences.
  3. Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 17: 38
    0
    As if there is a CSTO, the Russian Federation is personally responsible under this agreement for the sovereignty of a neighbor. Is it bad if you are guaranteed a pill for anyone in return for friendship. The Russian Federation guarantees the solution of any military problems related to the violation of the sovereignty of Belarus, for friendship.
    1. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 17: 53
      +1
      Type we will provide the best military and material support, the most reliable rear in the world, and the coolest forces to bend to the other side of the enemy.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 17: 55
      +3
      Quote: Andrey.AN
      The Russian Federation guarantees the solution of any military problems related to the violation of the sovereignty of Belarus, for friendship.

      But it does not guarantee the Belarusian elite a solution to economic problems.
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 17 July 2020 17: 59
        +4
        For what we are responsible, we will provide.
  4. Errr
    Errr 17 July 2020 18: 02
    +6
    From the article:
    Belarus wants “union” economic preferences, Russia in response to this calls for deeper integration.
    Very reminiscent of the relationship between husband and wife. Family State of Russia and Belarus. Beauty! lol
    PS Only here:
    In Russia, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko is accused of "multi-vector" ...
    In normal families there are no multi-vectors. laughing
  5. demo
    demo 17 July 2020 18: 18
    0
    The project - the Union State - has not ripened.
    And there are many reasons.
    And they are in all, and in Belarus and in Russian.
    The Russian oligarchy and Putin do not give any guarantees that after the merger, those who have their interests and business in the Republic of Belarus will not lose it overnight.
    And this will happen. Without a doubt.
    Such a step, essentially suicidal, will not be taken.
    The topic, if not closed, is postponed "until better times."
    Unfortunately, they may simply not come.
    Very sorry.
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 July 2020 18: 41
    +8
    What is the project for hedgehogs? Which union state? Show at least one step towards rapprochement from the side of the "father"! So far, only begging interspersed with blackmail is visible. As if Russia should always contain Belarus only so that it does not slide down the famous slope with bedding under NATO. This is, sorry, not an alliance.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 17 July 2020 18: 49
      +3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      What is a hedgehog project?

      Two Kings on the same throne? Yes, they will never sit. One zeroed, now calm, you can sit for a long, long time. The second for the sake of his throne, the electoral rivals were transplanted and removed, he will also continue to sit on his throne.
      Well a little humor on Friday smile
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 17 July 2020 18: 50
    +7
    Russia and Belarus are often in a state of, if not a political quarrel, then some “misunderstanding”. The reason may lie in the positions of the elites of the two countries. Belarus wants “union” economic preferences, Russia in response to this calls for deeper integration.

    The position of the elites? You can find out in more detail what kind of elites are and what kind of positions are these?
    We have learned what is meant by the definition of “Russian elite”. This whole foam, which surfaced in the early 90s, scored with its own heads, thoughts and expressions the entire information space. We fully understood the “Moscow guardianship” over the industrial potentials of the regions. It’s not a secret for anyone that Lukashenko is afraid of “deep Russian integration” - the complete loss of Belarus sovereignty and the country's transformation into a peripheral piece of the liberal market structure of the Russian economy.
    If socialist integration had some kind of preference for our countries in economic, political and cultural cooperation, then a speculative-market structure built a fence between the two peoples through which both sides constantly “give” each other their claims and “insults” ...
    There will be no union between our countries in the sense that is laid down in the articles of the treaty. Only partnerships tied to self-interest and the desire to disarm each other.
  8. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 17 July 2020 19: 00
    0
    I think so... laughing Immediately after the elections this summer, when Lukashenka will again become the President of the BSSR - but, unlike last times, "on blood and bayonets" - he is HARD !!! will suddenly remember the existence of the Union State of Russia and Belarus - when it is better to be the second guy in the city than the first in the village - who ... (censorship) wassat
    So ... still to come !!! drinks "It's not evening yet" (c) Vysotsky
  9. bulava
    bulava 17 July 2020 19: 02
    -6
    By and large - we are a single state. Yes, the very European Union is quite a state. It’s just that those days have already passed that the state is necessarily a territory fenced and fenced by towers. Now the world is ruled by money, goods, knowledge. Globalization. But at the same time, if something happens - we’ll crash together along enemy evil spirits!
  10. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 17 July 2020 19: 17
    +2
    Strange article. You just voted amendments that make the existence of a union state impossible. Art. 79 and 75.1, the priority of the constitution over interstate agreements and the ban on the introduction in the Russian Federation of a currency other than the ruble. The first allows you to withdraw from any agreement or revoke your authority, if only the establishment seems that the foundations of the construction system are being infringed on something. And the second makes it virtually impossible to use the union currency within the Russian Federation, those from the letter of the amended law mean that now the Russian Federation can introduce any other currencies except the ruble .... but not on its territory.
    In such conditions, the Russian Federation is not, as it were, a contractual entity. For it can do anything according to its legislation ignoring interstate interests.
    In other words ... since the adoption of the new constitution, we are only talking about the absorption of someone in the form of Ossetia and other LDNRs. Allied movements in full volume are stupidly impossible. Only situational confederation. Purely to attack someone or fight off someone. And then again, each in his sovereign corner.
  11. mikhailovich22
    mikhailovich22 17 July 2020 19: 26
    +4
    The AHL union state was necessary when he hoped to become Yeltsin’s successor, but as he became a successor, he did things better, the AHL union state is needed only to beat out preferences, my personal opinion.
  12. Alien From
    Alien From 17 July 2020 19: 42
    +5
    I respect the brotherly people of Belarus, but a country with a small population in relation to Russia, a senior partner, cannot be an equal partner.
  13. acetophenon
    acetophenon 17 July 2020 20: 40
    +1
    “What is it,” Balaganov suddenly said, stopping work, “I've been drinking it for three hours, but is it still not gold?”

    Panikovsky did not reply. He already understood everything and spent the last half an hour with a hacksaw just for a look.

    - Well, sip some more! - Red-haired Shura cheerfully said.

    “Of course, we need to cut it!” Panikovsky remarked, trying to delay the terrible hour of reckoning.

    He covered his face with his hand and through wide-open fingers looked at Balaganov's measuredly moving broad back.
  14. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 July 2020 20: 56
    +1
    During the life of Comrade Lukashenko, nothing will happen.
    Is it really not clear for forty thousand a year?!.
    What will happen next? This is a lottery.
    Either the Brothers abruptly dash into the camp of the enemy, or ...
    Lottery however ... By the way, the results of the lottery largely depend on the work done by the respective organizations. Which did not perform their duties in a quality manner in Ukraine. And I would deprive them of a quarterly bonus for this attitude to work. Under Stalin, they would have been shot to hell ...
    I propose to bet gentlemen. hi
  15. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 17 July 2020 21: 06
    -1
    Just look at the polished faces of the "experts" and everything is clear to the rhinestone.
    What union, what union? for this you need to work, shake the fat. But what for sharing with someone Gazprom, Nornickel, etc.? So that Chubais came and bought everything?
  16. mister-red
    mister-red 17 July 2020 22: 01
    +1
    The idea of ​​a union state, if my memory serves me, began to promote Lukashenko, hoping to replace the decrepit Yeltsin as president. When Putin became president, after a few years Old Man lost interest in the project. he had no chance of nikaikh.
    I think that if he were offered unification and the presidency, then by the next elections Belarus would be part of Russia. And Russia with Prime Minister Putin somehow would have survived Lukashenko's presidency.
    Voporos, of course, to the Belarusian people, but to be honest, after Lukashenka, Belarus does not see normal development. The Ukrainian option would be a disaster for them.
  17. Poetry
    Poetry 17 July 2020 23: 25
    0
    The Union has sunk into oblivion. Just know: are you my brother or not? Are you glad to me or not happy ...
  18. Potomac
    Potomac 18 July 2020 06: 36
    0
    Whichever way Belarus chooses, peace and prosperity to them.
  19. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 July 2020 08: 44
    0
    Union State of Russia and Belarus: trampling in one place
    It would seem that there is eternity ahead, where to rush. But .... from experience, it's time to move the western border by 200-400 km. And not only in the Belarusian direction. request