The first Be-200ES for the Ministry of Defense arrived in Yeysk

The first Be-200ES amphibious aircraft for the Russian Ministry of Defense July 14, 2020 arrived in Yeysk. The meeting of the aircraft was held in the 190th training mixed aviation regiment on the basis of the 859th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of the Naval Marine aviation The Russian Navy.

The plane received its own name "Alexander Mamkin" in honor of the civil pilot Alexander Mamkin, who took part in the operation "Zvezdochka" to evacuate to the rear in 1944 the pupils of Polotsk orphanage No. 1.

According to the bmpd blog, this Be-200ES is the first built under a revised contract signed in 2018 by the Ministry of Defense with the UAC to supply the Naval Aviation with three Be-200ES aircraft. Aircraft will be delivered in the search and rescue version with fire extinguishing function. The remaining two aircraft should be delivered before the end of 2020, but this raises some doubts.

The first contract for the Ministry of Defense to supply six Be-200 amphibious aircraft - two Be-200ES aircraft and four modified Be-200PS aircraft (without fire fighting function) - was concluded in 2013. In 2017, the contract was terminated due to the inability of TANTK to build aircraft. In 2018, the contract was renewed, ordering only three Be-200ES aircraft.

The Be-200ES aircraft handed over to the Ministry of Defense was the first one built under the contract of 2018 and the seventh production aircraft taking into account the six Be-200ES, built at the TANTK in 2016-2018 for the Russian Ministry of Emergencies.

Before that, in turn, nine Be-200 aircraft were built - two flight prototypes at TANTK and seven production Be-200ES at the Irkutsk Aviation Plant from 2003 to 2011. Six of them were delivered by the EMERCOM of Russia and one by the EMERCOM of Azerbaijan. Thus, a total of 16 flight specimens of the Be-200 were built.

Comments

[Invoce]

And what functions will this type of aircraft perform as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces? They are released in very limited instances ... In the open sea he is not able to land, or he will only sit down once ... I don’t even know what he is for!

[Same lech]

The Be-200 narrow-profile aircraft ... an attempt to use the IL-76 as a firefighting aircraft in the Irkutsk region ended poorly.
Reviews of specialists about the Be-200 as a specialized fire-fighting aircraft are very good.

[Invoce]

Quote: The same Lech

The Be-200 narrow-profile aircraft ... an attempt to use the IL-76 as a firefighting aircraft in the Irkutsk region ended poorly.
Reviews of specialists about the Be-200 as a specialized fire-fighting aircraft are very good.

What am I talking about? The functions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation include neither the fight against natural disasters, nor the extinguishing of fires !!!

[Marconi41]

Quote: Invoce

What am I talking about? The functions of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation include neither the fight against natural disasters, nor the extinguishing of fires !!!

That you got excited. Forests burn both near our military units and near warehouses with power supplies. So this plane will not remain without work.

[tlauicol]

In the mountainous regions of Buryatia, the Be-200 also succumbed to fires. I couldn’t come in exactly

[antivirus]

to the water of the Dnieper cascade of reservoirs and to the berths of the Odessa port to land

[ancient]

Quote: Invoce

... In the open sea, he is not able to sit, or he will sit only once.

And what ... to. To provide help, you must ... sit down?
Have you ever thought of this option of help?

[ancient]

Quote: Invoce

He is not able to sit on the high seas

And for such an airplane, you are the same .... "sit down" on the water .. advise

Or like this:

[Piramidon]

The aircraft will be delivered in a search and rescue version with a fire extinguishing function.

Well, everything was clarified. And then some put forward a version - only "anti-submarine", and no options.

[Invoce]

Quote: Piramidon

The aircraft will be delivered in a search and rescue version with a fire extinguishing function.

Well, everything was clarified. And then some put forward a version - only "anti-submarine", and no options.

strange combination of functions, especially in terms of equipment ... here either for firefighting, or SS, but the performance characteristics for a "search and rescue" in the open sea or in the ocean are not impressive

[Piramidon]

Quote: Invoce

strange combination of functions, especially in terms of equipment ... here either for firefighting, or SS, but the performance characteristics for a "search and rescue" in the open sea or in the ocean are not impressive

Fire equipment on it is removable. So there is no contradiction.

[good]

our seas are small, we don't live on an island in the ocean :)
Azov, Caspian, Baltic are not so big

[Bez 310]

Well, yes.
Would you fly in the Pacific Ocean ...

[good]

I mean that we have enough places where this technique is useful and we do not need to have only ocean-going ships and aircraft exclusively for ocean use
everything has its place

[Bez 310]

At MA this plane is an expensive toy, and nothing else.
All normal MA aircraft can carry CAS, and this
the plane is absolutely not needed.

[good]

What does the CAS have to do with it?
Do we have a lot of amphibious workers in the military?
The MO just needs amphibians and it won't get any worse.
Moreover, it is specifically the multipurpose Be-200ES.

[Bez 310]

Why amphibians in naval aviation?

[Telakh]

Handsome ... Still, the Be-103 would have been made affordable for general aviation, like the An-2 in its time

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Telakh

Handsome.

Of course it looks amazing. Long life to you "birdie".

[svp67]

Well, with the initiative and successful flights and soft landings ...

[ancient]

Quote: svp67

Well, with the initiative and successful flights and soft landings ...

Understood nothing.... .... with what ... "initiative"?
Here, literally the other day, the chief of naval aviation, Major General Igor Kozhin, in an interview with the newspaper of the Ministry of Defense "Krasnaya Zvezda" dated July 13, 2020, "I said that ...".The first(!!!!????) aircraft already tested in Yeysk on the basis of the Center for Combat Application and Flight Personnel Retraining, it is currently accepted for trial operation. "????
link - https: //topwar.ru/173036-morskaja-aviacija-vmf-rf-popolnitsja-tremja-samoletami-amfibijami-be-200.html ....

And now in the article what is written ..... what again ..... "The first(!!!???) the Be-200ES amphibious aircraft for the Russian Ministry of Defense arrived in Yeisk on July 14, 2020.
So .. it turns AGAIN First or AGAIN First ?????
So just ARRIVED or already TAKEN into EXPERIMENTAL OPERATION, after already passing the "approbation" ???
This aircraft was lifted air at the airport of TNTK named after Beriev on February 14, 2020.

So the question arises ... "Mr." Kozhin is definitely ... "the chief of naval aviation2 or just ..." talking (something) .. head "?

[Cyril G ...]

What engines are on it now? D-436 Motor Sich as on board the Ministry of Emergencies? Of the previously acquired?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Cyril G ...

What engines are on it now? D-436 Motor Sich as on board the Ministry of Emergencies? Of the previously acquired?

These "previously acquired" ones will soon become the largest number of Motor Sich releases until 2014. The situation with TV3-117 in 2014-2015 was especially indicative, when almost twice as many helicopters were delivered as the Klimovites delivered sets of domestic engines for them.
Boguslaev is still a businessman, and profit for him is more important than politics.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexey RA

Boguslaev is still a businessman, and profit is more important for him than politics

It's not clear from your comment, so it turns out ... Mr. Boguslaev is such and such a "scoundrel" or everything like Mr. Boguslaev is a "good business man" and does a useful job for the Russian Federation there, after all, with engines on the Mi-26 .. ."problem"?

[alexander1]

In 2015, when all Russian TV channels were banned in Ukraine, TVs were installed in all dining rooms and lounges of Motor Sich and broadcast Russian satellite TV on the orders of this "scoundrel".

[Alexey RA]

Quote: ancient

It's not clear from your comment, so it turns out ... Mr. Boguslaev is such and such a "scoundrel" or everything like Mr. Boguslaev is a "good business man" and does a useful job for the Russian Federation there, after all, with engines on the Mi-26 .. ."problem"?

And he is two in one. Ambivalent, so to speak.
When he delayed negotiations with the Russian Federation until the last days, regarding the organization of production of TV3-117 engines on the territory of the Russian Federation, yes, bastard. He wagged for ten years, looking for the most profitable option. And he was driven to the fact that in the end it turned out to be cheaper for the Russian Federation to build its plant on the basis of Klimov Design Bureau.
But how the post-Maidan times came - then Boguslaev immediately became well-done businessman... Formally, there is no export of engines from Ukraine to the Russian Federation. In fact, the production of our engines does not interfere with the production of helicopters. And helicopters, nevertheless, are delivered to customers. And I still don’t take those aircraft of ours for which Motor Sich is a monopoly on engines - but which are nevertheless being built.

[Orkraider]

Greetings!

D-436. Of the previously acquired on a primary contract with the Moscow Region.

Coloring fire.
Glossy and what colors are selected:

[ancient]

Quote: Orkraider

Coloring fire.

For an amateur ... but for the Navy they chose this ... "Serdyukovskaya".

Quote: Orkraider

Glossy

Because on top, after the main painting, they are also covered with air-dried PPG synthetic enamel.
That's why it's like ... "gloss" (but only in the sun)
But if only they covered it with varnish, like the "adversaries" ... then there would be "gyanets"

But it's not worth it closer than 10 meters .... all the "beauty" .. disappears ....

[Orkraider]

Yes, like an adversary, but like it. I can not do anything
Your photo from winter, like when you circled around Taganrog?

[ancient]

Quote: Orkraider

Your photo from winter, like when you circled around Taganrog?

Yes

[Orkraider]

Then for him and for us

[Free wind]

The bottom is blue, probably so that the fish are not afraid. If the search and rescue plane, it might be worth it to paint it brighter, in the same red. We are not local people, just thoughts.

[hhj9b]

I would like about the modern aviation varnish of the western sample, to learn something more specifically if possible, thank you in advance

[Aag]

Quote: Orkraider

Greetings!

D-436. Of the previously acquired on a primary contract with the Moscow Region.

Coloring fire.
Glossy and what colors are selected:

You are like girls choosing cars!)) Underwear, or under makeup .. I do not want to offend anyone
Seriously, how old is the project, the plane.? Yes, as always, problems with dviglom .... I remember the times (I already wrote) when 500 rubles drove everyone over Baikal. It seems that there was no onboard number! (When God created discipline, aviation was in the air))).
The logic is elusive: the Be-200s were sent to both Greece and Italy to extinguish fires. At the same time that the Baikal reserves were burning (Mi-8 puffed up) .O. Olkhon was invisible due to smoke, the aircraft could not enter. If I don’t confuse anything, Ilov won after the transfer. Well, and the heat subsided, the rains began to rain in places ...
On the topic ... IMHO from the Be-200 search engine with strong limitations But, it’s better than the B-12. For optimization, you need to formulate a TK and use tactics in accordance with the existing aircraft.

[bayard]

Quote: Cyril G ...

What engines are on it now? D-436 Motor Sich as on board the Ministry of Emergencies? Of the previously acquired?

Yes D-436, but not from stocks, but smuggled - there was a big scandal over their illegal supply to Ukraine at the beginning of the year.

[slipped]

Quote: bayard

Yes D-436

The Russian PD-8 engine, which is planned to be used on SSJ 100 and Be-200 aircraft, will receive a type certificate in 2023, the first deputy head of Rostec Vladimir Artyakov said in an interview with TASS.
"We plan to create a gas generator next year, to undergo certification in 2023," he said.
Enough funds have been allocated for the project, noted Artyakov. "The volume of investments is sufficient to ensure that all work on the creation of a new engine is carried out efficiently and on time."

[sg7s]

We are waiting for PD-8. But we need to build airplanes, then we will re-equip. D-36 (prototype 436 and 136) for the yak, too, was completed for a long time. Turbulent, like, let's go ... Now our PD-14, according to its characteristics, has a pretty good hot part, though. tore off, but the compressor and wide-chord TND blades - their own, even competes (except for efficiency) already with LEAP, although the French are tricky here, it's just an improved 56th. But for us it's a breakthrough, plus the engine is much cheaper. The trouble is that the engines now are unprofitable for almost everyone - about 1.2-1.5 million dollars. loss ....

[mintai_kot]

Russia has four fleets and one Caspian fleet, for all of these beautiful birds will not be enough, who will be left overboard ??

[Eldorado]

Oh, it's a pity that only search and rescue

[Piramidon]

Quote: El Dorado

Oh, it's a pity that only search and rescue

As an anti-submarine, he has neither range, nor carrying capacity, nor patrol time. Tu-204/214 is much more suitable for this role.

[Cyril G ...]

That's right. Moreover, there is also a small-scale construction of the Tu-214 and their own engines ...

[ancient]

Quote: Piramidon

As an anti-submarine, he has no range, no carrying capacity, no time

So he was never positioned as ... "anti-submarine".
Only the Be-300MP version (but this is an elongated fuselage, a large fuel capacity and ... a purely land version) and then ... this is just a project

[ved_med12]

A very needed plane! And there is export potential. If only to solve the problem with the engines, but this time and money.
The article is not a word on which engines these aircraft are assembled ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: ved_med12

The article is not a word on which engines these aircraft are assembled ...

So far, only D-436TP produced by Motor Sich. Possibly purchased through third countries.

It was planned to replace this power plant with the French-Russian SaM146 (which are also used on Superjet-100 civilian aircraft), however, in April 2019, the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation informed the Ministry of Industry and Trade about the risks of disrupting the defense order due to the sanctions introduced, in particular, because that these engines use components from NATO member countries.

It remains to wait for our PD-10.

[ved_med12]

The most remarkable thing is that today there is not a single PD-10 engine, even for bench tests. All attention is now paid to the head model of this PD-14 family, its certification and testing on MS-21 aircraft. When mass production of its modification PD-10 can begin, one can only guess

[Piramidon]

Quote: ved_med12

The most remarkable thing is that today there is not a single PD-10 engine, even for bench tests. All attention is now paid to the head model of this PD-14 family, its certification and testing on MS-21 aircraft. When mass production of its modification PD-10 can begin, one can only guess

As far as I understand, PD-14 is a modular engine. After testing and launching into production, on its basis they can quickly create a fairly large range of engines of the type PD-8/10/18

[sg7s]

Correct. (Although the very concept of "modularity", "submodularity" in engine building is somewhat different). PD-14 is ready. Make the same PD-8 - reduce the diameter of the compressor, wheels. steps, etc. - and voila. We only need money and for the purpose.

[Orkraider]

Quote: ved_med12

A very needed plane! And there is export potential. If only to solve the problem with the engines, but this time and money.
The article is not a word on which engines these aircraft are assembled ...

Welcome.
It is known on which, on D-436:

[Pavel57]

Quote: Piramidon

It remains to wait for our PD-10.

Rather PD-8. Will be in 2023.

[Tagan]

Quote: Invoce

And what functions will this type of aircraft perform as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces? They are released in very limited instances ... In the open sea he is not able to land, or he will only sit down once ... I don’t even know what he is for!

At a wave height of up to 1.2m is capable.
At the beginning of January 2015, the Russian Emergencies Ministry used it to search for debris and victims after the crash of an Airbus A320-216 AirAsia airline in the Java Sea.
In early April 2015, he took part in the rescue operation of the Russian Emergencies Ministry in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk after the crash of the Far East ATM.

[Ros 56]

And what about the A-40 or everything, kirdyk?

[Aviator_]

And what about the A-40 or everything, kirdyk?

Yes, it was developed in the USSR, together with the country, and disappeared.

[ved_med12]

On March 3, 2016, the chief of the Naval Aviation of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, aviation colonel Gennady Zagonov officially announced that by 2020 the Be-12 anti-submarine amphibious aircraft in service will be replaced by A-40 amphibians [8].

On the eve of Gidroaviasalon-2018, the press service of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) announced that the corporation had begun work on a project to resume production of the A-40 amphibious aircraft. The take-off weight of the machine will be 93 tons, the flight range is 11 thousand km without refueling [9] [10] [11].

[Aviator_]

Gennady Zagonov officially announced that by 2020 the Be-12 anti-submarine amphibious aircraft in service with the fleet will be replaced by A-40 amphibians

It would, of course, be good, but it seems to be from the category of Khrushchev's statement about building communism in 1980.

[Alexey from Perm]

Every plane is born in terrible agony ... here it is Putin's economy.

[Cyril G ...]

Tell me in France that Putin was and is?
Multipurpose fighter Rafal - started development in 1983, in 1983 the very first prototype took off, it was possible to launch a series in 2001.
Total from the beginning of work to the first serial 18 years. Compare with the Su-57? From the take-off of the first prototype to the first production 10 years.
Conclusion - you are not even a little bit familiar with the topic ..

[Alexey from Perm]

))) you can scream anything and minus too, the economy will not work from this. And to spit on France from a high bell tower, the first Su-57 serial was dropped, so it is not there yet. Who is not in the subject, I think you are.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

I think you are.

Of course you, it’s not me who is constantly carrying nonsense ...
You are not even able to realize an elementary example. Experienced, the first in a series dropped from everyone. The United States also. So sorry my case is purely medical

you can scream anything and minus too,

Tantrum is bad ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

here it is Putin's economy

Yeltsin was much better? Until now, we cannot rake his jambs.

[Alexey from Perm]

Yeltsin was worse. But that doesn't justify Putin

[501 Legion]

which planes should be enough

[yfast]

Quote: Piramidon

Yeltsin was much better? Until now, we cannot rake his jambs.

And the third option could not be better, only through the mouth or jo ..?

[ved_med12]

My late father, a fifth-degree gas welder, working for TATNEFT !!! was forced in 1995 to quit his job and go .... herd the cows for real money and without delay ... so you don’t have to talk about ebna times .... We survived as best we could! and my father raised three children!

[Whirlwind]

Dear, you just read and understand the feat of the Hero, whose name is the new plane!

"The events in question took place in the winter of 1943-44, when
the Nazis made a brutal decision: to use the pupils of Polotsk
orphanage # 1 as donors. German wounded soldiers needed
blood.
Where can I get it? In children. The first to defend the boys and girls
Director of the orphanage Mikhail Stepanovich Forinko. Of course for the occupiers
pity, compassion and, in general, the very fact of such
atrocities, so it was immediately clear: these are not arguments.

But the reasoning became weighty: how can sick and hungry children give
good blood? No way. They don't have enough vitamins in their blood, or even that
the same iron. In addition, there is no firewood in the orphanage, the windows are broken, it is very cold.
Children catch colds all the time, and patients - what kind of donors are they?
Children should first be cured and fed, and only then used.
The German command agreed with this "logical" decision. Michael
Stepanovich Forinko proposed to transfer children and staff of the children's
houses in the village of Belchitsy, where a strong German garrison was located. AND
again, iron, heartless logic worked.
The first, disguised step towards saving the children was taken ... And then
great, thorough preparation began. The children were to be transferred to
guerrilla zone, and then ferried by plane.
And on the night of February 18-19, 1944, 154 pupils left the village
orphanage, 38 of their educators, as well as members of the underground group
"Fearless" with their families and partisans of the Shchors detachment of the brigade
named after Chapaev.
The children were from three to fourteen years old. And that's all - everything! - were silent,
were afraid to even breathe. The elders carried the younger ones. Who didn't have warm clothes
- wrapped in scarves and blankets. Even the three year old kids understood
mortal danger - and were silent ...
In case the Nazis understand everything and go in pursuit, near the village
partisans were on duty, ready to join the battle. And in the forest I was expecting kids
sled train - thirty carts. Pilots helped a lot. On the fateful night they
knowing about the operation, they circled over Belchitsy, diverting the attention of the enemies.
The kids were warned: if suddenly there are lighting in the sky
rockets, you must immediately sit down and not move. During the journey the column
sat down several times. Everyone reached the deep partisan rear.
Now they had to evacuate the children over the front line.
The 3rd Air Army came to the rescue, the pilots began to take out the children and the wounded,
delivering ammunition to partisans at the same time.
Two planes were allocated, under the wings they attached special
capsules cradles, which could fit an additional several people.
Plus, the pilots flew out without navigators - this place was also saved for
passengers. In general, more than five hundred people were taken out during the operation. But
Now we will focus on only one flight, the very last.

Feat of Alexander Mamkin

It took place on the night of April 10-11, 1944. Drove the children of the guard lieutenant
Alexander Mamkin. He was 28 years old. A native of the village of Krestyanskoe
Voronezh region, graduate of the Oryol financial and economic
technical school and Balashov school.
By the time of the events in question, Alexander Mamkin was already experienced
pilot. Behind - not less than seventy night flights to the German rear.
That flight was for him in this operation (it was called "Asterisk") not
first and ninth. Lake Vechelje was used as an airfield.
I had to hurry also because the ice every day became everything
unreliable. Ten children fit on the R-5 plane, their teacher
Valentina Latko and two wounded partisans.
At first everything went well, but when approaching the front line, Mamkin’s plane
knocked out. The front line was left behind, and the P-5 was on fire ... Be Mamkin on board
alone, he would have climbed and parachuted out. But he was not flying alone. AND
not going to give the death of boys and girls. Not for that, only
who began to live, on foot at night fled from the Nazis in order to crash.
And Mamkin was flying the plane ... The flame reached the cockpit. From temperature
flight goggles melted, sticking to the skin. Clothes, a headset, burned in smoke and
the fire was hard to see. From the legs, only bones slowly remained. And there, behind
back of the pilot, crying was heard. Children were afraid of fire, they did not want to die.
And Alexander Petrovich flew the plane almost blindly. Overcoming the hellish
pain, already, one might say, legless, he still stood firmly between
children and death. Mamkin found a platform on the lake, near
from the Soviet units. The partition that separated it from the burned-out
passengers, some began to smolder clothes.
But death, swinging a scythe over the children, could not lower it. Mamkin not
gave. All passengers remained alive. Alexander Petrovich completely
incomprehensibly he was able to get out of the cab. He managed to ask: "Are the children alive?"
And I heard the voice of the boy Volodya Shishkov: “Comrade pilot, don't worry!
I opened the door, everyone is alive, we go out ... "

And Alexander Petrovich Mamkin lost consciousness. The doctors could not
explain how he could drive the car and even land safely
her man, in whose face glasses were melted, and only legs were left
bones?
How could he overcome the pain, shock, with what efforts did he keep his consciousness?
The hero was buried in the village of Maklok in the Smolensk region. From that day everything
the fighting friends of Alexander Petrovich, meeting already under a peaceful sky,
the first toast was drunk:
For Sasha, who had been growing up without a father since two years old and remembered very well the children's grief.
For Sasha, who wholeheartedly loved boys and girls. For Sasha,
who bore the name Mamkin and himself, like a mother, gave his children life.
"For Sasha!" ...

Curriculum Vitae:
Alexander Petrovich Mamkin, Guard Lieutenant. Born in 1916 in the village
Peasant Voronezh region From 1931 he worked on a collective farm, in 1934 he entered
in Oryol Financial and Economic College. In 1936 as part of the 9th
set entered the Balashov school of the Civil Air Fleet. In 1938 became a candidate member
VKP (b). After school, he worked in the Tajik Directorate of the Civil Air Fleet.
Since 1942, as part of 105 Guards. OAP GVF made at least 70 night flights
to the German rear to the partisans on the R-5 plane.
On the night of April 10-11, 1944, he landed a burning plane with evacuees
from the German rear (10 children, 3 adults) on their territory; died of burns
April 17th. He was awarded the Order of the Red Banner (posthumously.).

[petrol cutter]

The aircraft is valid. Congratulations to the aircraft manufacturer on this.
I can’t understand the current fashion of giving names to airplanes.
Why, what? .. This also emphasizes the moment that they are being built - piece!
Our SZ at one time produced dozens of "Vultures", "Sunrise".
It never occurred to anyone to call them something!
Order number, project number. All!

[Flyer_64]

The 859th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of Flight Personnel of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy is not the organization that would search for ways to use the Be-200 in the RF MA. Why the Navy needs it himself, the chief of the MA does not know. We got that shoved, well, okay.