Chinese press: Poland itself pulls itself into a storm of confrontation between the US and Russia

The Chinese press is responding to the Polish proposal to the United States to deploy a substantial portion of the US military contingent withdrawn from Germany. The mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China, the newspaper "People's Daily" writes that such an invitation only exacerbates the situation on the European continent.

According to the Chinese author, even a partial withdrawal of US troops from Germany could lead to a certain detente, primarily between NATO and Russia. At the same time, the Polish position actually cancels out the very possibility.

The Chinese newspaper examines and historical aspects of Polish-Russian relations. The author talks about the fact that the conflict between states has deep historical roots.

From the material:

Russia and Poland today are almost irreconcilable. That is precisely what today is the main reason for the Polish call for Washington to bring into the country the military contingent that the US is withdrawing from Germany. Poland believes that it can take advantage of the increased American military presence to fight Russia.

Further, the author states that the United States, by and large, is satisfied with this alignment and the Polish position. First, they need another anti-Russian "ram." Secondly, Polish taxpayers can provide support for thousands of US troops for loans from the EU.

The People's Daily says that in such a situation, Poland could become a “battlefield” between the US and Russia in Europe.

The article notes that as soon as the United States transfers new forces to Poland, Russia will give an answer in the form of deploying weapons at European borders. According to the Chinese author, in such a situation for Poland there can be no talk of further peaceful development.

From the material:

Poland itself draws itself into a storm of confrontation between the United States and Russia.

Comments

[parusnik]

Poles traders, under their aggressiveness - goods, receive loans and under it they are successfully written off, as they say, nothing personal only business ...

[Finches]

The Poles have such a bad nature - instead of sitting quietly in the corner and not shining, they will climb on the rampage, naturally they will rake up sooner or later, and the second part of the Marlezon ballet will begin - the nagging that everyone supposedly offends us!

[Shurik70]

But once Poland was really Great.
But that was when they had one ruler.
And the fall began after the nobility received too many rights ...

[Basil50]

You are not right.
The fall of Poland began with the Catholicization of the Poles. Well, how will a state exist where the supreme head is the pope in Italy, and the state itself is just beyond the mountains, beyond the valleys. But then even the phone did not exist.
So the Poles spoiled the neighbors, and all the responsibility for the deed was attributed to the pope.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Vasily50

The fall of Poland began with the Catholicization of the Poles

Poland has the same percentage of Catholics as Spain. What does not stop being Spain a respected country.
Many Catholics in France, Germany. Dear countries.
But when France adopted excessive rights for the nobility (less than in Poland, the French could not openly spit on the king), everything ended with a revolution and the destruction of this nobility.

[Revolver]

Quote: Vasily50

Well, and how will the state whose supreme head is the pope in Italy

How on earth did Spain, France, Austria and Hungary, and how many other countries exist? Yes, read all of Europe was Catholic until Protestantism appeared. But the fact that the Poles divorced crap, with the Diet, appointing and removing krulei, the right to rokosh and "do not allow", this is what ruined Poland.

[Katanikotael]

So these two were cutting each other all the time until the panes were watching from behind the hillock, and how did the dispatch come with the demand to explain the current mess - So, it’s not we who are fighting with each other ...

[Pravodel]

Absolutely correct. The fall of Poland began precisely with the codification of the Poles. And it was then that the Poles received Russophobia as the main form of relations with Russia, Russia. Only in those days, Russophobia took the form of a struggle between Catholics and Orthodox. All Orthodox were declared heretics and forced to either convert to Catholicism or annihilation. Which, in fact, took place during the existence of the Commonwealth.
Subsequently, Poland began to fight for primacy in the eastern lands with Russia, as well as with its western neighbors Austria and Prussia. As a result, a partition of Poland. Hence, the cause of Poland’s problems is not in the neighbors, but in Poland itself.
Understanding that hostility with neighbors each time ends with the partition of Poland, and even the guarantees of France and England did not save the last partition, Poland places US bases on its territory to prevent a possible partition. So Poland hopes that the neighbors, frightened by the US army, will not once again divide Poland. But these are bad hopes. Pindo ... they will never defend the Poles, which they, by and large, do not care.

[Pereira]

Catholicism has nothing to do with it. The fall of Poland began in 1505 with the adoption of the Radom Constitution.
For Russia, this turned out to be a gift. For this reason, Moscow became the capital of the empire, not Warsaw.
The Polish empire was killed by the Polish gentry. This is a unique case in world history.

[venik]

Quote: Pereira

For Russia, this turned out to be a gift. For this reason, Moscow became the capital of the empire, not Warsaw.

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I do not understand ..... WHY IS Moscow and Warsaw? Have you actually read the TEXT "Nihil novi"? He simply limited the power of the king and strengthened the power of the Diet in essence - the gentry). WHAT empire proper are you talking about? At the beginning of the 16th century, NO empires simply EXISTED !!!!

[5-9]

So this time is just the beginning of a long process of centralization of power, which just began to gain momentum, and Poland went in the opposite direction ... well, it reached the 18th century.

[Pereira]

At the beginning of the 16th century, ANY empires simply did not EXIST !!!!

EXISTED
1. Holy Roman Empire, since 1512 - Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation (Latin Sacrum Imperium Romanum Nationis Germanicae or Sacrum Imperium Romanum Nationis Teutonicae, German Heiliges Römisches - Reich German Deutscher Nation) states and peoples, which existed from 962 to 1806.
2. The Ottoman Empire existed from 1299 to 1923.

"Nihil novi" appeared during the period of strengthening of the royal power in Europe, led to decentralization and incapacity of the royal power in Poland. Almost feudal fragmentation. At that time, in fact, Poland was already an empire, only without a title. If the royal power in Poland were stronger, then having established power over Russia (with Kazan and Astrakhan) in the 17th century, the Polish king would have been able to claim the imperial crown.
When the neighbors - Prussia and Russia - got stronger, they tore this amorphous formation to pieces.

[Klingon]

oh come on, religion is enough to fly anywhere, I just got to hear it, We lived in the USSR, no one remembered religion, and now no priests can do without priests, we've already reached the point where bombs and rockets illuminate - you can’t say anything, peaceful religion. For some reason, China doesn’t fly anywhere neither Buddhism nor Confucianism nor Taoism - such as Japan supposedly deteriorated after Buddhism penetrated the mainland with Japan, supplanting Shintoism

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasily50

Well, how will a state exist in which the supreme head is the pope in Italy, and the state itself is around the corner, behind the dales.

There is something in this, quite modern. Poland is behind the mountains, overseas, and the "dad" is in Washington.

[Basil50]

Shurik 70
Oh well, what a democracy under the king. There catholicization was very peculiar. Not all were accepted into the Catholics, only the gentry, and after almost a century, they were allowed to become Catholic. But the gentry retained the rights for themselves, for the rest of the falconers, especially for people of a different faith, only responsibilities.
As an example: in the USA, the descendants of those who * May Flower * sailed almost * elite * today.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Shurik70

And the fall began after the nobility received too many rights ...

When any nobleman could declare war on the king. Snickering and breaking up.

[Terenin]

Quote: Finches

sooner or later they rake up and the second part of the Marlesonian ballet begins - the nagging that everyone supposedly offends us!

In that western side, there is already a group of dancers and a choir with a similar rotten repertoire.

[Terenin]

Quote: Finches

This is such a bad nature among the Poles

Well, everything is clear with the Poles, they cannot "without incident" but the mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China to the newspaper "People's Daily", what is the reason for this?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

The Poles have such a bad nature - instead of sitting quietly in the corner and not shining

... they just shout "We call fire on ourselves, we will die for the states and for NATO!"

[Basil50]

There is not only commercial interest there.
The Poles betray their European allies for the sake of promises toli of business development to service the US military, toli for the sake of possible loans. And most importantly, there are visible guarantees of personal safety for those who have entered themselves into the gentry-elite. Apparently, those who promised shelter in the USA are winning.
Very similar to the behavior of the Poles before WWII. Then the Poles violated their own written treaties, in the hope of the promises of England and France. They promised a little more than the Germans promised,

[Pravodel]

The Poles do not need Americans for trade, but for their own protection, to prevent a possible next partition of Poland, which, obviously, should happen during the war with neighbors that Poland constantly wages during its entire existence. The Poles have very well learned the lessons of history and understand that no guarantees other than the presence of the occupying forces will save them from the next section. Therefore, they deploy US bases on their territory. If there weren’t the USA, then they would have placed any other bases, if they had been promised protection from a possible partition.
It is the presence of US bases, according to the Poles, that allows them to pursue a policy that has led more than once to the partition of Poland. But they are very mistaken. The Anglo-Saxons never fought for someone, they always fought and tried to fight with the wrong hands. In the event of a conflict between Poland and its neighbors, the United States will defend itself, and Poland and the Poles, who, by and large, do not give a damn about it.
And the Poles will never refuse to make money on US bases, and the more, the better. They are not the first to earn money on the blood and horrors of war. During the 3rd World War, they served concentration camps located in Poland, and now they will also serve US bases.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasily50

The Poles betray their European allies for the sake of promises toli of business development to service the US military, toli for the sake of possible loans.

The last "bad" for the Poles ended for the Poles after the unsuccessful assault on Moscow in 1618, and for almost 400 years the "bad" has been going on. Either they beat up like a "sidor's goat," then they cut them to pieces, and constantly friends-allies from the West betray the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth "from Mozha to Mozha." The last time, in 1939, they did not even leave, but simply watched in silence as Hitler plowed the Pospolita with tanks. After 1991, they realized that there was no hope for Europe, they would again betray, and with the master's resourcefulness developed over 400 years, they decided to go under the wing, to the service of a richer, stronger suzerain of the United States. For Poland, sucking "two queens" is a profitable acquisition, which really does not lead to the country's security, but only to "cause fire on myself."

[orionvitt]

Quote: parusnik

Nothing personal just business..

Everything obvious is simple. But to trade your security, I'm sorry, as it is not very smart. To put it mildly. On the other hand, when arrogance and ambition climb from all slots, the mind is usually silent. Poles jump again. International politics is such a thing that rarely forgives mistakes, for wrong steps, often comes reckoning. I won’t be surprised that even in our century, we will observe another redistribution of Poland

[Mountain shooter]

The history of WWII, in which Poland played the role of "bully" from the gateway, does not teach her anything. They still believe that the smartest, and "between the droplets" will slip

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

The history of WWII, in which Poland played the role of "bully" from the gateway

I agree with the gate, but not quite with the "bully", rather a shabby mongrel.

[businessv]

Poland itself draws itself into a storm of confrontation between the United States and Russia.

I repeat, but the story with Poland teaches us that Poland does not teach anything to Poland! As was the hyena of Europe (s), so she stayed!

[Pereira]

Not a hyena anymore. Degenerated. Already a jackal.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: businessv

but the history of Poland teaches us that Poland does not teach anything to Poland!

As Suvorov said, about receiving an order to take Warsaw

“Let's go and show how the Poles are beaten!”

[Nikolai Petrov]

Poles are still those ... well, in general, radishes. Churchill correctly characterized them - the pre-war hyena of Europe. Together with the demoniac, the Tishin region was chopped off from the Czechs. Then they dreamed of walking along Red Square with the Wehrmacht. And then again they dreamed (take an interest in the words Rydz-Smigly about the war without rules against Germany) to dump the Reich. But it was not there. Now the stripes are being invited. It seems that they are not stupid in themselves. But have not the past years gone for the future? Even a first grader understands that if you are attacked from any country, then it automatically becomes a target.

[Pereira]

Speaking about the partition of Czechoslovakia, we do not forget Hungary.

[5-9]

Well, Hungary was immediately an ally of Hitler and then did not really cry that they offended the mouse

[Pereira]

In fact of the matter. Germany is swayed at every corner, but Hungary is forgotten. Those are happy. Tryndyat now about Trianon. Like, offended.

[5-9]

Well, like-be and Italy, Finland, Romania, too, did not really get fucked up ... as well as Austria (this type also suffered).

[Pereira]

At least THESE have not done anything wrong in 1938.

And the Austrians are sitting quietly, our monuments are kept in an exemplary way - if only they do not remember about them.

[truck driver]

They apparently hope that the Russians will not dare to attack the American troops stationed in Poland, so as not to provoke a war with the United States. Therefore, after the Americans are hosted, they get complete freedom to put sticks in the process of establishing relations between Russia and the EU and will force everyone to reckon with themselves.

[Nikolai Petrov]

Quote: LKW Fahrer

They apparently hope that the Russians will not dare to attack the American troops

Well, they don't hit on the passport, but in the face. Poles probably won't dare and hope. But in the event (God forbid) a conflict from Poland, the first will be a nuclear funnel.

[5-9]

A very stupid hope ... again, the example of Syria, where there is just a sea of ​​actors (Russia, USA, Turkey, Israel ... and Iran, but it is not official, so he gets it) against another sea of ​​any formations and does not touch each other a friend is indicative ... "No one wants war" .. if we are talking about great powers ... and GI can bring diapers to the Polish unit, which was ironed 2 hours ago by the VKS, for example (with a notification and by agreement with the Russian Federation)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

The Poles are still those ... well, generally radishes. Churchill correctly characterized them - the pre-war hyena of Europe.

Roosevelt also used to say at the Yalta Conference: "Poland has been Europe's sore head for five centuries."

[businessv]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

It seems not stupid in themselves. But really, past years have not gone for the future?

That's just at the time when they are on their own, they are doing God knows what! When under someone’s patronage, everything is decorously noble, but as soon as they gain (do not conquer, mind you!) Independence, they immediately begin to search for the enemy in order to live under his command, after a short military campaign!

[archiroll]

Competing business structures ...

[Mavrikiy]

The article notes that as soon as the United States transfers new forces to Poland, Russia will give an answer in the form of deploying weapons along the European borders.

And what will change?
Fire on the headquarters! The deployment of missiles in Cuba and Venezuela will lead the United States to a better understanding of how to joke, and how not.

[Gennady Fomkin]

"The mice cried, injected, but continued to eat the cactus." Although dancing on an old rake is a lord's privilege, they are ready to shed blood for it

[Semenov]

And according to the results of 2 MV, it could be completely erased from the card. For the fourth time.

[Ros 56]

Poles will not be a battlefield, they will become a field of destruction. What they fought for.

[Alien From]

Poles are masochists! Yes, and to hell with them !!!!

[thinker]

The last quote is some kind of abbreviation. Completely -

Poland will not only fail to receive the excellent prospects for peaceful development that it has envisioned, but, on the contrary, will cause a storm in the already tense situation in the region. Caught in the middle of this storm, Poland will be a hundred times more difficult than it is now.

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[rotmistr60]

Poland itself draws itself into a storm of confrontation between the United States and Russia.

And she was drawn into this storm centuries ago with a short break in the 40s when part of the Poles fought together with the Red Army against the Germans, and then the Polish People's Republic was formed. Those who today are incurably infected with Russophobia and without thinking about their country call on the Americans to fight Russia themselves, and in the end they will suffer from this. And Poland itself, or whatever remains of it, will be torn apart by historical law. Forgotten Russian: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword. The Russian land has stood and will stand on that!"

[Basior]

I am surprised by your comments: a peaceful Russia "surrounded" by bad Poland. I remind you, Russians, that in 2009 and 2013, during the West exercises, you trained in a nuclear attack on Warsaw. You can fool the west, but not us. We know Russia too well. Greetings from Poland.
Ps. Russia and Poland will be friends after your defeat with China and your true conversion to God. I hope he gets over it.

[Catfish]

Greetings, noble gentleman.

We know Russia too well.

In that case, do not share with me the information when the next partition of Poland will take place.
Interestingly, something else, what will you live with, if "dur a k-zapad" stops the monetary pumping of your "Great" Poland "from Mozha to Mozha"?

As for God, he himself will figure out who is of more use to him, and I do not think that his decision will be in your favor.

[Basior]

Buddy, the old saying goes, "Pride walks before it falls." What you want for others will happen to you. Poland was, is and will be. We have already experienced the fourth partition of Poland in 1939. So what ? There is Poland.
PS. As for the uploaded photo, this is exactly what Russia looks like outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg. You know it better than me.
Everyone has their own problems. As it is in life. Greetings from Poland.

[Catfish]

To begin with, I'm not your friend and I should not poke. You are badly brought up, like many people with little education and less culture.
Now about:

"Pride walks before falling"

Given the well-known Polish ambition, which clever Poles make fun of themselves, let's not go further about pride, not seriously.
As for how Russia looks outside of Moscow, I really know better than you, because I live in a village, in the Ryazan region, and I am quite happy with this life.
As for the problems, they naturally exist, where you can get away from them and who does not have them.))

[Basior]

Buddy, be healthy. The discussion is pointless. Greetings from Poland.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Before World War II, the Polish government pursued the same policy: it endangered its own population to please the Western masters. And when it came time to reap the benefits - she simply taxied to England, leaving her people and her country to the mercy of fate.
In this situation, they just hope to steer in time. And what will happen to the Polish land - they do not care.

[Karaul73]

And the next step will be the deployment of state troops in Ukraine. And it will be much more "interesting". What can be opposed to this?

[NF68]

That's why she and Poland.

[Mastrer]

The post would not be complete without this picture.