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The war with the Russian past as part of the "color" revolution in the United States

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The monument to Baranov was erected in Sitka in 1989 as a symbol of the end of the Cold War.


In Alaska, they decided to remove the monument to the Russian statesman and the ruler of Russian settlements in America, Alexander Baranov. The event takes place against the backdrop of America’s split into Trump supporters and its opponents, Democrats and Republicans, in the wake of the fight against "racism", the confrontation of various socio-political, racial-ethnic groups.

The decision to move the monument


On July 14, 2020, the Council of the City and Sitka County of the US state of Alaska decided to dismantle the statue of Alexander Baranov, the ruler of settlements in Russian America, in the central park. Alexander Andreevich, a native of the Arkhangelsk province, a merchant and industrialist, led the Northeast campaign since 1791. In 1799, it was transformed into the Russian-American Campaign (RAC), he led the campaign until 1818. Baranov founded Fort Michael the Archangel (Novoarkhangelsk) on Sitka Island in 1799, and since 1808 he has been the capital of Russian America. In 1812, at his direction, Fort Ross was built in California.

As a result, thanks to the titanic efforts and tremendous energy of Alexander Baranov, Russian America gained significant development potential, established trade and economic ties with California, Hawaii and China. The Russians conducted significant research in several areas of the Pacific Ocean. Russian America could become an important part of the Russian Empire. Unfortunately, in St. Petersburg these works were not particularly appreciated, everyone looked at Europe.

Local authorities are going to move the monument to Baranov in the Sitka Museum. In a resolution adopted by the Sitka authorities, it was noted that the prominent position of the Baran statue in the center of the crowd causes disagreement in the local community. The monument to the Russian researcher allegedly gives “an incorrect message to residents and visitors of Sitka”, gives “normality” historical a figure involved in “racial separation, violence and injustice”. According to the local council, Alexander Baranov was involved in the enslavement of local Aborigines (Tlingit and Aleuts) in order to use them in the hunt for fur animals until their "complete extermination." And the violence caused by Baranov still hurts the indigenous people of Alaska. Now in Sitka they want to erect a monument to the representative of the indigenous population of Alaska.

At the same time, the petition for the preservation of the monument, drawn up in the Coordinating Council of the organizations of Russian compatriots in the USA (KSORS), received twice as many votes as for its demolition (about 6000 against 3000). The Coordination Council noted that the dismantling of Alexander Andreevich would mean "erasing the Russian historical heritage."

Erasing and blackening of Russian history


It is worth noting that the figure of the Russian explorer and ruler of Russian America has nothing to do with “racism”, “enslavement” and “genocide”. Indeed, between the warlike indigenous people of Alaska and the Russian settlers, military clashes took place. In particular, during the Russo-Tlingit war of 1802-1805. Indians massacred the Russian-Aleutian population of Fort Michael (Sitka). Killed over 200 people. In 1804, the Indians massacred the settlement of Yakutat, killing about 250 people. However, in general, the force was on the side of the Russians, and they won the war. At the same time, other local residents acted on the Russian side: Aleuts, Chugachs. Further skirmishes continued. Both sides suffered losses.

Such conflicts were commonplace in that era. At the same time, the Russians were more likely to differ in a positive way compared, for example, with the Spaniards, British or Americans. There was no total genocide of the Indians, both in the Caribbean, in Central America and in the colonies of the British and French in North America, and then in the USA. Russians, unlike Europeans, always looked at natives as people. There were no racial or religious prejudices. And on the west coast of America, “civilized” Europeans cut or drunk (weapon genocide - alcohol) almost all the great Indian tribes. In the depths of the mainland only the miserable remnants of large Native American peoples survived.

American "color" revolution


Obviously, the situation in Sitka is caused by the general unrest that swept the United States and spread already to Europe and other regions of the planet. The riots provoked by the death of Negro D. Floyd took on a "color", "anti-racial" (or rather, racial: directed against the "white enslavers") character. One of the methods of the “revolutionaries” is the struggle against the historical past. Pogromists or local authorities, at the suggestion of activists, demolish monuments and signs related to the slave trade, racism, etc.

In particular, in Oregon, even the statue of the founder of the United States, D. Washington, was dumped. In San Francisco - a monument to the founder of the city, the Spanish missionary Junipero Serra, who, through his activities, earned the title of "Apostle" and "Father of California." In the Vatican, the missionary was counted blessed and saints. Some states demolished the monuments to Christopher Columbus. The American Museum of Natural History in New York announced a decision to remove the monument to President Theodore Roosevelt. Dismantle monuments to figures of the Confederation. The question of renaming military bases named after the leaders of the Confederation (although Trump is resisting) is raised. In Alaska, they want to remove not only the statue of Baranov, but also the monument to the famous English explorer James Cook.

In fact, the United States is trying to repeat the “color revolution” that the West had previously launched in the republics of the former USSR, the socialist camps and developing countries. The methods are identical. For example, in the countries of the former Warsaw bloc, in the Baltic states, in Ukraine and in Georgia, decommunization, desovetization and derusification were carried out. Moreover, the process continues. So, in Prague, a monument was removed to the Soviet Marshal Konev - the liberator of the Czech capital.

In the USA, in the wake of the coronavirus epidemic, which sharply worsened the socio-economic situation of the population, there is a tough battle between the elites. Opponents of trump are trying to dump him at all costs. Until the revolution and civil war. All of these processes are superimposed on America’s complex racial, ideological, and economic problems. In the United States, the preconditions for a fierce civil war have developed. The elite is split into globalist cosmopolitans and patriots. Cosmopolitans are ready to arrange "perestroika" for the States. Trump and the patriots are trying to save the American empire.

Thus, as during the Civil War of 1861-1865, between the North and the South there is a split in the elite and a confrontation of economic structures. The first civil war was a conflict between the slave-plantation economy (mainly the agricultural sector and light industry) and the industrial structure, which needed the working hands of all people, including blacks. This is a former US industrial base. "Rusty belt" (or industrial) of the United States. The productive power of America in the face of the white majority ("deep people"). Trump is trying to carry out a new industrialization, return production to the country, make a breakthrough into the future based on neo-industrial ideas. To create an economy of the sixth way: production based on robotics, artificial intelligence, nano-, bio-, information and cognitive technologies (NBIC convergence). This requires a concentration of forces and resources. Hence the departure from obsolete and already hostile to the United States supranational structures like WHO, the UN. Hit the “NATO” so that the countries themselves pay for their defense. Attempts to withdraw military contingents from various regions of the world (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Germany, etc.) in order to save.

Opponents of trump are on the basis of the fifth technological order, the economy of services and post-industrialism. However, the economy of services, a society of rampant consumption, has led to the current systemic crisis and a de facto catastrophe. The petrodollar system, lending interest, rampant dollar emissions, financial “bubbles” on the verge of collapse. They flood the whole world into disaster.

All this created two civil war camps. On the side of Trump is the "deep people" of the United States, whose productive forces created the American empire. His opponents are the electoral base of the Democrats. All minorities, migrants, various social dependents, occupational loafers and unemployed people on social benefits. On the one hand - the urban "bottom", on the other - the cosmopolitan wealthy elite of large cities, accustomed to a consumer society. Those who earn on the financially speculative, non-productive economy, the removal of production outside the United States. These contradictions are so deep that the world cannot solve them. Only the total destruction of the enemy, as during the war of the North and South.
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  1. Nasrat
    Nasrat 17 July 2020 15: 06 New
    +9
    From neta:

    In line with the trends ..
    1. Vend
      Vend 17 July 2020 15: 34 New
      17

      Or so for example laughing
      1. Kapellan23
        Kapellan23 17 July 2020 22: 28 New
        +4
        Or so for example:
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 17 July 2020 15: 09 New
    +4
    Hmm ... what what can I say ... the war with monuments as a marker indicates the internal illness of society in the USA ... as if the local Indians did not go further ... and did not begin to kneel down the descendants of Russian explorers in order to repent.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 15: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      as if the local Indians did not go further ... and did not begin to kneel down the descendants of Russian explorers with the goal of repentance.

      It’s interesting, but will the Yankos who are descendants of the white exterminating Indians be brought to their knees, or are they already good?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 17 July 2020 15: 45 New
        +1
        The Indians have already cut half of some state.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 17 July 2020 17: 32 New
          +6
          In many states, reservations make up a large part of their territory. Formally, being part of the territory of a particular state, Indian reservations to the authorities of these states are practically not subordinate and deal directly with the federal authorities.
          1. businessv
            businessv 17 July 2020 20: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Indian reservations to the authorities of these states are practically not subordinate and deal directly with the federal authorities.

            Yes, therefore, the local police do not even accept applications for the loss of women from the reservation. An excellent film on real events "Windy River" perfectly speaks about this.
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 17 July 2020 15: 57 New
        +5
        Well, then you can kneel everyone ... you can recall the grudges with white and red and black ... kneel everyone ... and repent to each other for the sins of their ancestors. smile
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 17 July 2020 16: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: The same Lech
          Well, then you can kneel everyone ... you can recall the grudges with white and red and black ... kneel everyone ... and repent to each other for the sins of their ancestors.

          Aha. Round the clock that year three
          And then, for reliability, suddenly that the EC realized, another two years.
          Well, all the monuments, in order to guarantee that all memory is removed, destroyed
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 18 July 2020 08: 56 New
          0
          Quote: The same Lech
          Well, then you can put everyone on their knees ... you can remember offenses with both white and red and black

          A very interesting remark, then I will have to do it twice, and before the whites and the reds, my grandfathers were both there and there, and also before the Estonians and the Russians.
      3. iouris
        iouris 17 July 2020 20: 41 New
        -3
        1) Indians are not important. 2) Negroes do not consider Russians white. 3) Euro-Americans and African-Americans played too much.
    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 17 July 2020 15: 45 New
      +6
      It is good that the war with monuments in Russia was very short in the 90s.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 17 July 2020 16: 50 New
        +5
        But, unfortunately, productive.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 17 July 2020 18: 28 New
          +1
          So now let the Americans know in their own skin - how to fight with memory. Hope this mess for a long time. Otherwise, the whole world is tryndets.
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 17 July 2020 19: 17 New
            +1
            I agree with you, Alexander.
      2. cniza
        cniza 17 July 2020 16: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: Pavel57
        It is good that the war with monuments in Russia was very short in the 90s.


        You can say it was practically nonexistent, so there are separate episodes.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 17 July 2020 18: 52 New
          +4
          Our people had the mind had no interest in destroying their story .... the capital, this is a separate issue, every racket always sought there. Now there is a concentrate, vigorous-smelly.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 17 July 2020 20: 37 New
            -1
            Quote: rocket757
            metropolitan, this is a separate issue, every shushera always wanted to go there. Now there is a concentrate, vigorous-smelly.

            and considering that about 100 MT from the “partners” is aimed there, then finally ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 17 July 2020 21: 33 New
              0
              They hope they don’t fly before them ... along the way, wherever they get lost.
      3. didra
        didra 17 July 2020 18: 37 New
        -1
        Just the main part of this struggle fell on the period from 1917 to the mid-60s.
        1. ANB
          ANB 17 July 2020 20: 43 New
          0
          In Leningrad, almost all the monuments of imperial times are in place. The Bronze Horseman and the monument to Nicholas 1 have definitely not disappeared. Personally checked in February.
          Here are the crowns from the eagles cut down. But, it seems, this was not done under the Soviet regime.
          1. Procopius Nesterov
            Procopius Nesterov 19 July 2020 18: 37 New
            0
            Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR


            DECREE
            from 12 April to 1918 year

            ABOUT THE MONUMENTS OF THE REPUBLIC

            To mark the great coup that transformed Russia, the Council of People's Commissars decides:

            1) Monuments erected in honor of the kings and their servants and not of interest from either the historical or the artistic side are subject to removal from squares and streets and partly transferred to warehouses, partly utilized utilitarian in nature.

            2) A special commission of the People's Commissars for Education and Property of the Republic and the head of the Department of Fine Arts under the Commissariat of Education is instructed, by agreement with the art college of Moscow and Petrograd, to determine which monuments are to be removed
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 17 July 2020 21: 34 New
          +3
          The struggle with monuments, with the history of their country, brought no one to good!
          It seems everyone should know about this ... and here again!
      4. iouris
        iouris 17 July 2020 20: 42 New
        0
        It’s a pity that life is short.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 July 2020 08: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Pavel57
        It is good that the war with monuments in Russia was very short in the 90s.

        When Khrushchev was even shorter, in one night all the monuments to Stalin were removed, in many places they even rolled up asphalt.
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 17 July 2020 15: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: The same Lech
      as if the local Indians did not go further ... and did not begin to kneel down the descendants of Russian explorers with the goal of repentance.

      Yes, it seems that in the USA, the "Marlezon Ballet" will not end in the first part no .
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 July 2020 16: 58 New
        +2
        Yeah, they’re just warming up.
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 17 July 2020 20: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Hmm ... what can I say ... the war with monuments as a marker indicates the internal disease of society in the USA ... as if the local Indians did not go any further ... and did not begin to bring down the descendants of Russian explorers to their knees in order to repent.

      Russians with the indigenous population of North America never had any problems, and if they did, then the Spaniards invaded - descendants of settlers / Mexicans / Catholic Church / Anglo-Saxons and Jews like Morgan / Rackfeller and types lower rank ...
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 17 July 2020 22: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        Russians with the indigenous population of North America never had any problems, and if they did, then the Spaniards invaded - descendants of settlers / Mexicans / Catholic Church / Anglo-Saxons and Jews like Morgan / Rackfeller and types lower rank ...

        ===
        it doesn't work, no problem. most likely it was less than the others. after all, the Russians had a path / experience, passed / gained with the peoples of Siberia and the Far East
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 17 July 2020 15: 20 New
    +6
    "that the prominent position of the statue of Baranov in the center of a crowd of people is causing division in the local community," the American brain cannot perceive that America was developed by the Russians.
    1. Courier
      Courier 17 July 2020 15: 40 New
      -4
      Alaska it was this particular area, and developed it loudly.

      America (USA) was developed by different peoples.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 17 July 2020 16: 51 New
        -1
        And California, and not only there.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 17 July 2020 17: 34 New
        +1
        In California, there was only a small Fort Ross. No exaggeration.
      3. Victorio
        Victorio 17 July 2020 22: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Courier
        Alaska is precisely this particular area, and developed it loudly.

        ===
        loudly or quietly, but developed, and the first or one of the first
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 17 July 2020 15: 30 New
    +2
    In Alaska, they want to remove not only the statue of Baranov, but also the monument to the famous English explorer James Cook.
    ... While Wishlist. A common sense will prevail. Moreover, these Wishlist a month ago ... So far, no information has been received about the transfer or demolition of these monuments.
    1. Maki maki
      Maki maki 17 July 2020 17: 00 New
      11
      Hopefully common sense will prevail.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 17 July 2020 18: 36 New
        0
        Yes, only hope remains. That they, by common sense, repent before the Indians, after all, they killed 500 million, each. Before the Negroes, every American killed at least 700 million, by the Spaniards, because they committed genocide in Cuba, before the Russians, because America had prepared the Second World War, before the Germans they made cannon fodder, etc. including innocently killed penguins in Antarctica. And until they repent (and do not compensate financially), we assume that their common sense prevailed.
  5. svp67
    svp67 17 July 2020 15: 31 New
    +1
    They would send the descendants of Hannibal to lead Russian America, maybe now they would not touch the monument ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 15: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      They would send the descendants of Hannibal to lead Russian America, maybe now they would not touch the monument.

      Yes, it would be better if they complied with Jefferson's order, and also there would be no one to touch the monuments with.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 17 July 2020 15: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: svp67
        They would send the descendants of Hannibal to lead Russian America, maybe now they would not touch the monument.

        Yes, it would be better if they complied with Jefferson's order, and also there would be no one to touch the monuments with.

        ===
        indeed, maybe then america would be a completely different country
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 July 2020 15: 34 New
    0
    We don’t fight monuments! Before I left in Murmansk, there was an obelisk to the dead invaders. On the contrary, two blocks away, in the square near the Rodina cinema, the first monument to their victims in Murmansk! Even during the Soviet Union, this obelisk was not demolished. Is America rolling?
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 July 2020 16: 57 New
      +1
      She had already slipped, but not only she ...
    2. Procopius Nesterov
      Procopius Nesterov 19 July 2020 18: 40 New
      0
      There were no interventionists in Murmansk. British troops were there at the invitation of the Bolsheviks.
      But in Soviet times, this was not advertised. Although these documents were published in the USSR and are known to historians, schools continued to talk about the interventionists in Murmansk.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 July 2020 18: 43 New
        -1
        And they shot the Bolsheviks, too, their desire. What kind of nonsense !!!
        1. Procopius Nesterov
          Procopius Nesterov 19 July 2020 18: 50 New
          0
          Yes, you do not seem to know a lot of things, I will tell you more if you open the note of the Soviet government to the United States dated March 5, 1918, you will no longer believe the communists about the fact that the whites invited foreign troops to Russia. It was quite the opposite, the Bolsheviks turned to USA, England and France for help.
  7. Terenin
    Terenin 17 July 2020 15: 35 New
    +4
    This requires a concentration of forces and resources. Hence the departure from obsolete and already hostile to the United States supranational structures like WHO, the UN. Hit the “NATO” so that the countries themselves pay for their defense. Attempts to withdraw military contingents from various regions of the world (Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Germany, etc.) in order to save.

    Yes, the USA has taken over all that is possible and impossible. It is not surprising that the "belly button is untied" ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 16: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Terenin
      Yes, the USA has taken over all that is possible and impossible. It is not surprising that the "belly button is untied" ...

      Human greed has never brought to good.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 July 2020 16: 39 New
      -3
      Quote: Terenin
      Yes, the USA has taken over all that is possible and impossible. It is not surprising that the "belly button is untied" ...

      Trampka is trying. Lowered the country to the level of the plinth
      He seems to have no leverage over the crowd.
    3. cniza
      cniza 17 July 2020 16: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Terenin

      Yes, the USA has taken over all that is possible and impossible. It is not surprising that the "belly button is untied" ...


      I would say a crush and try to hold on, but ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 17 July 2020 17: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Terenin

        Yes, the USA has taken over all that is possible and impossible. It is not surprising that the "belly button is untied" ...


        I would say a crush and try to hold on, but ...

        ... then I went to all countries laughing
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 July 2020 17: 50 New
          +2
          There is not just a smell, but a stench, well, as in decomposition ...
  8. Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 17 July 2020 15: 38 New
    +4
    Why be surprised? If they demolish their monuments (Washington, Roosevelt), then what about the Spaniards and Russians? And there is no particular Russophobia here, the usual "anti-racist" porcupine. Ram for them, to some extent, an analogue of Columbus. .
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 16: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Sergey Karasev
      Why be surprised? If they demolish their monuments (Washington, Roosevelt), then what about the Spaniards and Russians?

      We did something like that in 1917 and in 1956, we are talking about the widespread demolition of monuments to Stalin, carried out by decision of the CPSU Central Committee ... "in one night", and throughout the USSR. It’s good that Nikitka himself wasn’t erected monuments.
      The fashion for the destruction of monuments to the Soviet soldier who liberated Europe went from the time of Nikita Khrushchev. It was with him that this monument was blown up in Prague ....
      The Stalin Monument in Prague (“The People of Czechoslovakia - to their Liberator”) is the largest sculpture group in Europe. It was dedicated to the statesman of the USSR Joseph Stalin and was located in the years 1955-1962 on the Letenska viewing platform in the Holešovice district of Prague. The grand opening of the monument took place on May 1, 1955. Nikita Khrushchev arrived at the opening of the monument and handed it to the creators of the Order of Lenin. It was the largest monument to Stalin outside the USSR (the weight of the monument is 14 tons, length 000, width 22 and height - 12 meters, consists of 15 thousand stone fragments). A fifteen-meter granite monument was erected in honor of the 32th anniversary of the liberation of Prague by the Soviet Army.
      Money for the construction was collected from all of Czechoslovakia. The author of the project is sculptor Otakar Shvets, an architectural solution by Jiri Strus. In 1962, the sculptural composition was blown up, just before November 7, 1962.
  9. Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 17 July 2020 15: 39 New
    +3
    In 1804, the Indians massacred the settlement of Yakutat,

    At that time, Yakutat was called Novorossiysk.
  10. Terenin
    Terenin 17 July 2020 16: 00 New
    +4
    Some states demolished the monuments to Christopher Columbus. The American Museum of Natural History in New York announced a decision to remove the monument to President Theodore Roosevelt. Dismantle monuments to figures of the Confederation.

    It is interesting that the presence of monuments, and accordingly their demolition, extinguishes the protest energy of the masses or incites? what
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 17 July 2020 16: 03 New
      +2
      What a drama !!! - Americans are at war with the Russian past and the monuments are demolished from their past !!! Not for nothing they say - do not dig another hole - you will fall into it yourself !!! It is visible to the Americans this proverb is not familiar ...))
      Recent events in the USA are worthy of the pen of modern Shakespeare !!!
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 17 July 2020 16: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Terenin
      extinguishes the protest energy of the masses or incites?

      Most likely the second
    3. cniza
      cniza 17 July 2020 16: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Terenin

      It is interesting that the presence of monuments, and accordingly their demolition, extinguishes the protest energy of the masses or incites? what


      It's like putting out a fire in oil, such an action has a beginning, but no end ... Greetings! hi
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 17 July 2020 17: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: Terenin

        It is interesting that the presence of monuments, and accordingly their demolition, extinguishes the protest energy of the masses or incites? what


        It's like putting out a fire in oil, such an action has a beginning, but no end ... Greetings! hi

        Yes, I do not feel sorry for the monuments, but pigeons crying That's where the poor will spoil now ... winked On trump?

        Greetings Victor hi
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 July 2020 17: 53 New
          +2
          Yes, I don’t feel sorry for the monuments, but pigeons That's where the poor will spoil now ... On Trump?


          At all passing ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 17 July 2020 18: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            Yes, I don’t feel sorry for the monuments, but pigeons That's where the poor will spoil now ... On Trump?


            At all passing ...

            Vitya, well, you give belay It turns out that everyone passing, marked with a dove, will consider himself outstanding?
  11. pytar
    pytar 17 July 2020 16: 38 New
    +1
    History
    One of the main obstacles to the active colonization of Alaska was the bloody and fierce conflict of Russian settlers with the warlike Native American Tlingit tribe at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. This confrontation later had serious consequences: because of it, Russia was forced to abandon its ambitious plans to take over the Pacific coast to the southeast of Alaska right up to Vancouver Island.
    Clashes between Russians and Tlingits regularly took place at the end of the 1802th century, but a full-scale war broke out in XNUMX. Modern researchers name several of its causes. Firstly, as part of the fishing parties, the Russians brought to the land of the Tlingits their old worst enemies - the Eskimos-Chugachs. Secondly, the attitude of the aliens towards the aborigines was not always, to put it mildly, respectful. According to the testimony of Lieutenant Gavriil Davydov, “The circumambulation of the Russians in Sitka could not give the Tlingits a good opinion of them, because the industrial began to take the girls from them and make them other insults”. The Tlingit were also dissatisfied with the fact that during fishing in the straits of the archipelago of Alexander the Russians often appropriated Native American food supplies. But the main reason for the hostility of the Tlingits to Russian industrialists was different. Initially, the Russian "conquistadors" came to the coast of Alaska to extract sea otters and sell their fur to China. According to Russian historian Alexander Zorin, “The predatory fishing of the sea beast ... undermined the basis of the economic well-being of the Tlingit people, depriving them of their main commodity .... The ill-considered and rude actions of the Russians served as an impetus for the Tlingit community to unite in the struggle to expel the CANCER from its territories. This struggle resulted in an open war against Russian settlements and fishing parties, which the Tlingits waged both as part of vast alliances and by the forces of individual clans. ”







    When a monument to A. Baranov, a gift from private individuals to the city, was erected in the center of Sitka on October 25, 1989, this caused protests from a number of indigenous activists. Before installation, unknowns cut off his nose, later restored. Interestingly, an official peace between the Russians and the Tlingit people was concluded 200 years after the battle at the Shisgi Nuvu Fortress! In the fall of 2004, an official reconciliation ceremony was held between the Kiksadi clan and Russia on the territory of the Sitka NPC (the armistice of 1805 concluded between Katlian and Baranov without observing the intricacies of the "Indian Protocol" was not recognized as Tlingits). However, views on reconciliation were quickly revised. On July 14, 2010, the Sitka City Council decided to move the monument to A. Baranov from the city center to the historical museum. The resolution adopted at the meeting notes “that although Baranov left an“ indelible imprint ”in Sitka’s history, he also led“ enslavements, killings and robberies of the indigenous people of Alaska ”- the Tlingit and Aleuts.“ Because of the cruelty of Baranov, the Tlingit gave him the nickname “Heartless.” The violence that he committed, became a historical trauma to the indigenous population and still hurts its representatives. ”
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 17 July 2020 18: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: pytar
      History
      One of the main obstacles to the active colonization of Alaska was the bloody and fierce conflict of Russian settlers with the warlike Native American Tlingit tribe at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. This confrontation later had serious consequences: because of it, Russia was forced to abandon its ambitious plans to take over the Pacific coast to the southeast of Alaska right up to Vancouver Island.
      Clashes between Russians and Tlingits regularly took place at the end of the 1802th century, but a full-scale war broke out in XNUMX. Modern researchers name several of its causes. Firstly, as part of the fishing parties, the Russians brought to the land of the Tlingits their old worst enemies - the Eskimos-Chugachs. Secondly, the attitude of the aliens towards the aborigines was not always, to put it mildly, respectful. According to the testimony of Lieutenant Gavriil Davydov, “The circumambulation of the Russians in Sitka could not give the Tlingits a good opinion of them, because the industrial began to take the girls from them and make them other insults”. The Tlingit were also dissatisfied with the fact that during fishing in the straits of the archipelago of Alexander the Russians often appropriated Native American food supplies. But the main reason for the hostility of the Tlingits to Russian industrialists was different. Initially, the Russian "conquistadors" came to the coast of Alaska to extract sea otters and sell their fur to China. According to Russian historian Alexander Zorin, “The predatory fishing of the sea beast ... undermined the basis of the economic well-being of the Tlingit people, depriving them of their main commodity .... The ill-considered and rude actions of the Russians served as an impetus for the Tlingit community to unite in the struggle to expel the CANCER from its territories. This struggle resulted in an open war against Russian settlements and fishing parties, which the Tlingits waged both as part of vast alliances and by the forces of individual clans. ”







      When a monument to A. Baranov, a gift from private individuals to the city, was erected in the center of Sitka on October 25, 1989, this caused protests from a number of indigenous activists. Before installation, unknowns cut off his nose, later restored. Interestingly, an official peace between the Russians and the Tlingit people was concluded 200 years after the battle at the Shisgi Nuvu Fortress! In the fall of 2004, an official reconciliation ceremony was held between the Kiksadi clan and Russia on the territory of the Sitka NPC (the armistice of 1805 concluded between Katlian and Baranov without observing the intricacies of the "Indian Protocol" was not recognized as Tlingits). However, views on reconciliation were quickly revised. On July 14, 2010, the Sitka City Council decided to move the monument to A. Baranov from the city center to the historical museum. The resolution adopted at the meeting notes “that although Baranov left an“ indelible imprint ”in Sitka’s history, he also led“ enslavements, killings and robberies of the indigenous people of Alaska ”- the Tlingit and Aleuts.“ Because of the cruelty of Baranov, the Tlingit gave him the nickname “Heartless.” The violence that he committed, became a historical trauma to the indigenous population and still hurts its representatives. ”

      We know these "historical references", and the Anglo-Sakian libels from Wiki and other fences ...
      Never Russians are neither in Siberia, nor in the North, nor in Russian America the local people did not stop. Fought back from non-peaceful - it was, sometimes tough. But, the policy of the Russian Empire itself was based on the mutual benefit of all numerous peoples.
      That was and is the principle of Russia's survival.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 17 July 2020 19: 20 New
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        So you do not know the story robbed in the same way as others
        1. dali
          dali 21 July 2020 11: 53 New
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          Quote: Kronos
          So you do not know the story robbed in the same way as others

          Documents for the studio of the Grant Eater !!!
      2. pytar
        pytar 17 July 2020 20: 11 New
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        Russian never in Siberia, nor in the North, nor in Russian America, the local people infringed. Fought back from non-peaceful - it was, sometimes tough.

        Gennady, if you don’t like the facts, this is not their problem ... And if you believe in a lot that the Russian “pioneers” traveled tens of thousands of kilometers to the East, driven by “good intentions,” you are a very naive person! It will enrich itself, taking possession of the resources of the territories, subjugating the peoples living on them, is the main incentive for all "conquistadors", without an exception! What is in the east, what is in the west or in the south!
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 17 July 2020 23: 00 New
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          Quote: pytar
          Russian never in Siberia, nor in the North, nor in Russian America, the local people infringed. Fought back from non-peaceful - it was, sometimes tough.

          Gennady, if you don’t like the facts, this is not their problem ... And if you believe in a lot that the Russian “pioneers” traveled tens of thousands of kilometers to the East, driven by “good intentions,” you are a very naive person! It will enrich itself, taking possession of the resources of the territories, subjugating the peoples living on them, is the main incentive for all "conquistadors", without an exception! What is in the east, what is in the west or in the south!

          And, can you link to recognized in the scientific world, historical research of the so-called facts of "Russian konskintodorov" of Russian America?
          1. pytar
            pytar 18 July 2020 09: 19 New
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            Write on Yandex "Russian-Tlingit wars" and choose. I recommend reading the research to. sciences, ch. the guardian of the Kursk GOM Alexander Vasilievich Zorin on the theme of the development of Russian America and the military-political history of Russia in the 50th century. He is the author of over XNUMX scientific papers. By the way, he has a video on YouTube which tells about the history of these events. And if you know English, you can visit the site of the National Historic Park of Alaska in Sitka. There are also specified authors and historical studies.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 18 July 2020 10: 44 New
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              Quote: pytar
              Write on Yandex "Russian-Tlingit wars" and choose. I recommend reading the research to. sciences, ch. the guardian of the Kursk GOM Alexander Vasilievich Zorin on the theme of the development of Russian America and the military-political history of Russia in the 50th century. He is the author of over XNUMX scientific papers. By the way, he has a video on YouTube which tells about the history of these events. And if you know English, you can visit the site of the National Historic Park of Alaska in Sitka. There are also specified authors and historical studies.

              Thank you, I am familiar with these materials by A.V. Zorin and, besides participation of the natives of the Kursk region in the development of Russian America,
              whose central message confirms that
              Native American traditions report the friendship of this leader with the Russian ruler ("king"), who in the legends is called "Shavnista" or "Stanislas".
              Source: https://www.booksite.ru/fulltext/russ_america/02_27.html


              Py.Sy.
              I don’t put anyone cons
              1. dali
                dali 21 July 2020 11: 57 New
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                Quote: Terenin
                I don’t put anyone cons

                And in vain ... the grants-eaters need to put not only cons for the same opuses ...
                He's brazenly lying ... caught by you, so to speak, hot !!!
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 21 July 2020 13: 41 New
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                  Quote: Dali
                  Quote: Terenin
                  I don’t put anyone cons

                  And in vain ... the grants-eaters need to put not only cons for the same opuses ...
                  He's brazenly lying ... caught by you, so to speak, hot !!!

                  It's somehow inconvenient, because I already oppose request
                  Evaluating the dispute of others is another matter.
                  Maybe I'm wrong.
          2. Doctor
            Doctor 18 July 2020 10: 03 New
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            And, can you link to recognized in the scientific world, historical research of the so-called facts of "Russian konskintodorov" of Russian America?

            It's boring.
            Better read Jack London, the story "Lost Face."
            The international crew of a privateer schooner, for a long time pressing the Indians of the coast of Alaska, was captured by them.
            Everyone dies in terrible torture, the task of the captain is to outplay the leader of the tribe.
      3. Vovk
        Vovk 17 July 2020 20: 21 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        Russian never in Siberia, nor in the North, nor in Russian America, the local people infringed.

        As for Alaska, not everything was so simple ... merchant seafarers, when there was no tight control over them they did terrible things ... all for the sake of gold.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 18 July 2020 09: 18 New
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      Quote: pytar
      History
      One of the main obstacles to the active colonization of Alaska was the bloody and fierce conflict of Russian settlers with the warlike Native American Tlingit tribe at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

      dear Boyan! There are certain traditions in the Russian Empire in the development of territories. The main such tradition is that the local government remains local. The main loyalty. Second: the son of the khan received the title of prince, a place at court and a military education. Third: any resident of the occupied territory had the right to submit a petition to the king! Russia has stood and still stands on this.
      If you believe your comment, then in Alaska there was a mistake and incorrect actions of the chief or sabotage of outside forces - the strong positions of the British, for example.
      1. Doctor
        Doctor 18 July 2020 10: 46 New
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        dear Boyan! There are certain traditions in the Russian Empire in the development of territories. The main such tradition is that the local government remains local. The main loyalty.

        These are not Russian but global traditions. More precisely, even the management rules. In pro-American countries you also will not find an American at the head.

        In 1986 in the USSR they tried to violate, they appointed Russian Kolbin to Kazakhstan. We know what happened.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 18 July 2020 10: 55 New
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          Quote: Arzt
          These are not Russian but global traditions.

          were there any colonies in Russia? in this case?
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 18 July 2020 11: 03 New
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            were there any colonies in Russia? in this case?

            Sure. Like any empire. Initially with direct control from the center. The viceroyalty was called.
            Caucasian governorship, Far Eastern governorship, Kingdom of Poland, Finland.

            Well, of course America. Even in Somalia there have been attempts.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 18 July 2020 11: 05 New
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              Quote: Arzt
              Even in Somalia there have been attempts.

              what years are these?
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 18 July 2020 11: 39 New
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                what years are these?

                1889 th.
                Nikolai Ivanovich Arshinov, Russian Cossack co-comrades in the amount of 150.



                In the Tazhdur Bay (found on a map of Djibouti), on the basis of the dilapidated port of Sagallo (now a village), he tried to found the New Moscow colony in Africa.

                But Alexander III did not cut the chip. Now they would have a posh base in the Indian Ocean with control over the entrance to the Red Sea.
      2. pytar
        pytar 19 July 2020 12: 04 New
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        Intended to answer, but dear Doctor (Yuri), gave very accurate comments and I have nothing to add. I'll write at least a few words:
        The difference in the forms of expansion was due to a single geographic location. Western European countries marched by sea, and Russia by land. The goals / elementary gain / were the same. The results were similar, although there is one significant difference, again due to the peculiarities of geography! The American continents were isolated microbiologically from other continents. Coming there, the conquistator brought diseases to which the local population did not have immunity. Therefore, they died en masse. Epidemics have particularly affected the populous South and Central America with their urban civilizations. It is believed that more than 90% died from contagions. In North America, the situation was somewhat different! It was originally sparsely populated, Indians / nomadic / were few. There was no wealth / gold / due to the lack of civilization. But by bringing in by horse, the Europeans gave a very good help in improving the quality of life of the North American Indians! The horse is perfect for their lifestyle! Their numbers increased sharply. Accordingly, conflicts arose when more and more immigrants from Europe settled there. There is a good article on this occasion on VO.
        As for the expansion of Russia to the East, this is one microbiological space in which the exchange of microbes took place for thousands of years, and immunity developed accordingly. Going to the East, the Russians did not enter some kind of isolated microbiological environment. True, they brought syphilis / the Chukchi called it Russian disease / and alcohol among the natives went badly ... By the way, the Spaniards from America brought syphilis to Europe - that is, there was an “exchange” from both directions.
        And so, both in the West and in the East, the same methods of submission were used. Western and eastern conquistadors met in Alaska and Northwest America. It is not worth idealizing these processes, although the corresponding patriots are not interested in the real situation. They live in their own invented world. hi
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 July 2020 05: 08 New
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          Did Russia have its own Tasmania?
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 July 2020 12: 49 New
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          Don't want to answer an awkward question about Tasmania? I asked it for a reason. The point is that to fight for profit strongly contradicts the national mentality of Russians. I'll start from afar. If you deprive a person of housing in Russia, you are killing him, even in the summertime at night you can die of hypothermia. Despite the high birth rate, the population grew slowly, public executions are rather an exception, they were rare and were carried out not for entertainment, but solely intimidation, as punishment for rebellion against the government. Many of Russia's conquests were made solely for the sake of tranquility of borders and strengthening of alliances. There was nothing like Tasmania, or for the sake of the slave trade, in the imperial policy of Russia!
          1. pytar
            pytar 21 July 2020 17: 36 New
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            Don't want to answer an awkward question about Tasmania?

            Sorry, I just didn't understand the question! request Shas after reading your comment, I understood what you mean! good
            Dear, you are too idealizing RI politicians. But it normal. I will not even argue, because I respect your right to believe in a good Russian. empire, and also because of the respect for bringing the Russians, for the freedom of my country. hi
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 21 July 2020 21: 23 New
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              Quote: pytar
              I will not even argue, because I respect your right to believe in a good Russian. empire

              Knowledge is stronger than Opinion smile ... My opinion matches my knowledge forming a belief soldier ... But we are here for the Truth? which is born in a battle of opinions? laughing
              1. pytar
                pytar 21 July 2020 21: 45 New
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                Each has its own truth. And it is only part of the Truth. I don't see differences of opinion as a battle. The battle implies that one of the truths must win, which is not the path to the Truth! hi
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 July 2020 16: 50 New
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    It’s sad not only for them. I watched the telecast. I say to my neighbor that it’s birthday .... and Miklouho-Maclay. "Is this a Frenchman or something?" I explained that Nikolai Nikolayevich cannot be a Frenchman, but she also has a television set. That's just the question of what is being shown on him. The lives of wonderful people have already been buried. Films are shown only for children or for omnivores. I came across the name Baranov only in the book "Colony Ross". So we don’t have much knowledge about this wonderful person either. The future will show where we will come with such our art. Even we can’t take pictures of wonderful people. Much more interesting are the "Cop Wars", "Moscow Greyhound" ....
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 17 July 2020 17: 49 New
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      There is a novel "The Great Ocean." Consisting of two parts. It seems "Baranova Island", written in 1945, and "Colony Ross" 1950. After that, they were published in one book.
      1. albert
        albert 17 July 2020 20: 39 New
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        There is a good book by Badigin on this subject, "Keys to the Enchanted Castle."
      2. nikvic46
        nikvic46 18 July 2020 06: 15 New
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        Alexander: Thank you. But I am writing about the fact that people who moved science, culture, politics are not shown on the large information field. They mainly show the leaders of the state who moved Russia forward. But without faithful helpers it is unlikely that they succeeded.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 18 July 2020 11: 14 New
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          Quote: nikvic46
          But without faithful assistants, it is unlikely that they succeeded.

          any boss is strong with his team. It is his job to select specialists. There is always a danger of falling into the bait of banal flattery and deception.
  13. cniza
    cniza 17 July 2020 16: 52 New
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    Russians, unlike Europeans, always looked at natives as people.


    That's what they are fighting against ...
  14. Maki maki
    Maki maki 17 July 2020 17: 05 New
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    In a resolution adopted by the Sitka authorities, it was noted that the prominent position of the Baran statue in the center of the crowding causes controversy in local society

    Interestingly, does the Yeltsin Center cause disagreement in the local community? True, his local "characters" organized ...
  15. Arthur 85
    Arthur 85 17 July 2020 17: 49 New
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    Oh, I just have a vacation in November for the Trump election. I’ll take a bucket of vodka and a barrel of beer and I’ll be sick. More American Maidan, good and different!
  16. Undecim
    Undecim 17 July 2020 18: 24 New
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    Another portion of delirium from Samsonov. Already reached Alaska. Moreover, there is a “struggle with the Russian past” if, together with the monument to Baranov, they remove the monument to Theodore Roosevelt on horseback, accompanied by foot Indian and African. Since 1940, the statue has been standing at the entrance to the American Museum of Natural History. If this is a struggle with the past, then with its own, only brought to senility.
  17. vfv.9fg
    vfv.9fg 17 July 2020 19: 10 New
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    And to give Crimea to Germany since German tribes once lived there and now what.
  18. demo
    demo 17 July 2020 20: 28 New
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    The fact that they are going to dismantle the Baranov monument is bad.
    And the fact that crazy Americans destroy all their monuments is very good.
  19. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 17 July 2020 20: 49 New
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    All this is of course interesting. But not really.
    Firstly, I can not influence events in a foreign country.
    Secondly, I am more interested in the problems existing in our area.
  20. Revolver
    Revolver 17 July 2020 20: 50 New
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    Civil War? In the armed forces and law enforcement agencies, Trump supporters are many times more than opponents. In addition, Trump supporters almost entirely, and not only in words but in deeds, support the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, and opponents, on the contrary, try to amend this Amendment, if not completely, then limit and emasculate it to the limit. Accordingly, the Republicans have trunks, and the craps have efforts to control the gunshot, and at the same time a complete misunderstanding of which end of the gunshot shoots. So if Civil War 2.0 begins, the result is predictable.
  21. Catfish
    Catfish 17 July 2020 23: 11 New
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    And they themselves, the Anglo-Saxon immigrants, with the Indians always kissed passionately? You make me laugh. laughing
  22. Kapellan23
    Kapellan23 18 July 2020 00: 31 New
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    History repeats itself twice: the first time in the form of tragedy, the second in the form of farce.
    War with the Russian past as part of the 1917 "color" revolution.
    Medieval Russia did not know any other way to perpetuate the memory of any event than how to erect a temple in its honor. Since then, no other monuments have survived. However, already in the XVIII century, Russia adopts a new code and language of memorable symbols, which goes back to the traditions of antiquity: an obelisk, a triumphal arch, a memorial column. A powerful, dynamically developing country began to be covered already with new types of monuments, although until the collapse of the Empire the medieval tradition was preserved to erect temples and chapels in memorable places and in honor of various military victories.
    By the beginning of the XNUMXth century, Russia looked at the same time both European and very original, retaining its unique charm. This was expressed in everything from military uniforms to architecture. But Russian statehood did not last long.
    In 1917, a disaster struck that broke off a thousand-year tradition. As a result of the bloody October coup, criminals came to power, sworn enemies of everything that constituted the spirit and flesh of Russia. Not immediately, but over the course of many years, the Russian people had to realize what happened to their Motherland and what their place would now be on their land.
    Simultaneously with the extermination of the best carriers of the gene pool and historical memory, the new masters and all the material symbols of Old Russia were erased. The importance attached by the communists to the coup in the field of culture is evidenced by the fact that just a few months after coming to power, on April 12, 1918, they issued the Decree on the Monuments of the Republic. Signed by: Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars V. Ulyanov (Lenin), People's Commissars: A. Lunacharsky, I. Stalin, Secretary of the Council of Hunchbacks.
    According to this decree, "monuments erected in honor of kings and their servants" were subject to immediate destruction. Theoretically, the list of servants included all persons who were not outright traitors to Russia, traitors or rebel robbers, but they had never erected monuments in Russia until 1917. SNK expressed a desire that by May 1 "some of the ugliest idols" have already been removed.
    https://apologet.spb.ru/ru/1449.html
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ленинский_план_монументальной_пропаганды
  23. Antifreeze
    Antifreeze 18 July 2020 13: 56 New
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    Now everyone is under the distribution.
  24. Procopius Nesterov
    Procopius Nesterov 19 July 2020 18: 53 New
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    As far as I remember, they left California because of financial issues, the government considered the development of Russian territories there too logistically difficult and expensive.
    The American Museum of Fort Ross, by the way, has a Twitter account, was subscribed to them at one time. There the Americans are posting photos. The fortress is kept in order.