What hide the electronic upgrade and ammunition of the updated MiG-29 Syrian Air Force. Bad news for the Israeli Air Force and Forbes

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Undoubtedly, the delivery by the Syrian Arab news agency SANA on May 30, 2020 of the delivery to the combat units of the Syrian Air Force of a consignment of deeply improved multi-functional fighters of the MiG-29 family marked a turning point in the development of a promising component of the rapidly aging Syrian Air Force fleet. This is not surprising, because until recently the air force fleet of our key Middle Eastern ally was represented only by a limited number of combat-ready 3rd generation fighter-bombers MiG-23ML / D, fighter-bombers Su-22M3 / 4, front-line bombers Su-24M, equipped with outdated airborne optoelectronic sighting systems, Sapphire-23 airborne radars based on the Cassegrain and Orion-A antennas based on parabolic antenna arrays with extremely low noise immunity of the receiving paths, respectively (in relation to the Su-24 and MiG-23MLD), as well as The "ancient" display equipment of the cockpits, not to mention the lack of modern terminals for the exchange of information on tactical air and surface conditions on the theater of defense through secure radio channels.

And despite the fact that the number of “twenty-nine” packages of military-technical assistance provided to Damascus as part of the “package” of military assistance provided to Damascus, unfortunately, cannot guarantee the Syrian Air Force to confidently maintain air supremacy in probable air battles with dozens of F- multirole fighters The 16C / D Block 50/52 of the Turkish Air Force, as well as the F-16I Sufa Hel Haavir (Israel Air Force), even a pair of units of the upgraded multi-role fighters of the 4+ generation MiG-29SMT or MiG-29M2 are quite capable of effectively patrolling the most problematic and missile-hazardous southwestern air direction of the ATS.

A distinctive feature of this air route is the presence of the mountain ranges of the Anti-Lebanon, which allow the Israeli multifunctional fighters F-16I "Sufa" and F-15I "Ra'am" to almost freely penetrate the Syrian airspace in the terrain bend mode (hiding from the directional patterns of radar detectors 9С18М2 "Dome" and radar illumination of 9S36 military air defense systems "Buk-M2E" of the Syrian air defense forces), and then covertly go to the launching lines of unobtrusive tactical missiles "Delilah-AL" and planning UAB GBU-39 / B for the fortified areas of the Syrian army, strategically important military -industrial facilities and strongholds of the elite Iranian division of the IRGC "Al-Quds".

So, for example, even one flight of four MiG-29SMT / M2, equipped with terminals for the exchange of information on tactical air situation APD-518 of the K-DlAE family in relation to the MiG-29SMT and E502-20 "Turquoise" in relation to the MiG-29M2, respectively ( ensure the receipt of target designation from AWACS A-50U aircraft via secure radio communication channels in the frequency range from 0,96 to 1,215 GHz with further loading of target coordinates into the fighter's weapons control system), as well as advanced weapons control systems SUV-29M / 2 with software and hardware By adapting to the use of highly maneuverable medium-range air combat missiles RVV-AE (R-77), it is quite capable of displacing the link of the Israeli F-16Is that flew to the raid from the "blind" / obscure zones of the Anti-Lebanon. Moreover, the key help for the pilots of the Syrian MiG-29SMT / M2 in a duel battle with Israeli vehicles will be not only the terminals of the asynchronous two-way data exchange line K-DLAE and "Turquoise" for receiving target designation from AWACS aircraft, but also jamming-protected multispectral optical-optical -Navigation systems OEPrNK-29M (OLS-M) and OLS-UEM, capable of detecting infrared radiation from the torches of jet engines "Pratt & Whitney F-100-PW-229" Israeli F-16I at a distance of 65-80 km to the rear hemisphere and 30-35 km - to the front hemisphere.

Meanwhile, in the Western European and American media spaces, information about the arrival of the updated MiG-29 in the Syrian Air Force combat units has traditionally been met by a number of speculations regarding the ability of these vehicles to conduct long-range air battles and mid-range air battles with the Israeli F-16I and inconspicuous F-35I “Adir ", Which have significantly more noise immunity and 1,5-2 times more" farsighted "airborne AFAR radars AN / APG-80 and AN / APG-81, respectively, more advanced airborne defense systems based on high-energy electronic warfare stations SPJ-40" Elisra ”(installed on the F-16I), as well as the anti-jamming systems AN / ASQ-239“ Barracuda ”and the groups of transceiver modules AN / APG-81 of the F-35I fighters adapted for operation in EW mode.

In particular, according to British military expert Justin Bronk, voiced in a brief analytical note for the Forbes publication, even integration into the ammunition of the updated Syrian MiG-29 of the modern R-77 air defense missile system will not allow these vehicles to stop Israeli raids aviation in the position of CAA and its friendly units in the provinces of Damascus, Homs and Tartus, which will be caused by less perfect airborne radars and airborne defense systems of the MiG-29SMT and MiG-29M2 fighters. How objective is this conclusion?

The delivery of the upgraded MiG-29SMT / M2 to the combat units of the Syrian air force may become problem No. 1 for Hel Haavir flight crew

Indeed, the MiG-29SMT and MiG-29M2 multipurpose fighters have far from the most advanced airborne radars N019MP and Zhuk-M based on slot-waveguide antenna arrays that do not have the ability to form radiation pattern gaps in the direction of radiation sources of electronic interference, and it means that they are unable to neutralize the interference from the EJ stations SPJ-40 “Elisra” of F-16I fighters and “jamming arrays” integrated into the APG-81 radars of the 5th generation F-35I “Adir” fighters. Meanwhile, Mr. Bronk did not take into account several extremely important details.

He never mentioned the presence of MiG-29SMT / M2 fighters in the elemental base of the avionics base of the above-described network-centric K-DlAE and E502-20 Turquoise tactical information exchange terminals, through which Syrian MiG pilots can receive target designation for Israeli fighters from "air fighters radar "A-50U VKS of Russia, and then launch missiles R-77 without the need to use radar N019MP or" Zhuk-M ".

Secondly, the SUV-29M / 2 weapon control systems in general and the N019MP / Zhuk-M radars in particular, like the AN / APG-68 (V) 1-9 American airborne radars, boast passive HOJ mode (“Home-On-Jam” - guidance on interference), which consists in pointing the electronic radiation source to the radiation source, in our case, Elisra electronic warfare systems and APG-81 radars operating in the electronic warfare mode.

As for the ammunition of the MiG-29SMT / M2 fighters, the open architecture of the element base of their avionics provides the ability to integrate not only the early version of the R-77 URVB with an effective range of 55-80 km when launched from medium and high altitudes, respectively, but also more advanced RVV-SD medium / long-range missile propulsion system (“Product 170-1”) with a range of 110 km (when intercepting the enemy’s air attack means in the front hemisphere) when launching from heights of more than 8-10 km. In this parameter, the RVV-SD are comparable to the most popular American air-to-air missiles AIM-120C-7 in the Israeli Air Force and are noticeably (more than 2 times) superior to the Israeli Derby air defense missiles. What is even more remarkable, in addition to the standard active semi-active radar GSN 9B-1103M-200PA, RVV-SD missiles can be equipped with an active-passive modification of the 9G-1103M-200PS RSGN with an additional passive guidance channel to the source of electronic interference in the HOJ mode.

During the implementation of this mode, the GSN 9B-1103M-200PS slot antenna array can provide passive guidance to the Elisra REB emitting station up to the approachable segment of the terminal portion of the trajectory (3-5 km) without revealing its location for radiation warning stations / electronic intelligence SPS-3000, also installed on fighters F-16I "Sufa". The active guidance mode can be implemented in the immediate vicinity of the intercepted F-16I, leaving the pilot a minimum “window” of time for performing an anti-ballistic maneuver. The presence of the MIL-STD-29B multiplex data bus in the MiG-2SMT / M1553 radio-electronic “stuffing” allows integration of the REB MSP-418K small-sized container complexes operating in the GJ-frequency ranges of centimeter waves and capable of breaking with high probability “capture” mode of carrier aircraft by active radar seeker of AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM missiles.

Comments

[Revolver]

Yes, at least 10 more times all these lotions and bells and whistles were listed, Arabs will still be sitting in the cockpit, and Jews Arabs always tumbled down at the very least. And another question is whether the A-50U VKS of Russia would want to engage in target designation in the interests of the Syrians or Persians, and thus become the target themselves?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Nagan

Yes, at least 10 more times all these lotions and bells and whistles were listed, Arabs will still be sitting in the cockpit, and Jews Arabs always tumbled down at the very least. And another question is whether the A-50U VKS of Russia would want to engage in target designation in the interests of the Syrians or Persians, and thus become the target themselves?

And how do you determine to whom the target designation is given by a drone aircraft?

[Revolver]

Quote: Pilat2009

How do you define

Yes, the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners will not determine anything. Missiles will be launched, and whoever the GOS captures will fall under the distribution. We bet that the probability of capturing the A-50 is several orders of magnitude higher than the probability of capturing the F-16, and even more so the F-35. On their account of "victories" there is already an IL-20.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Nagan

On their account of "victories" there is already an IL-20.

Nothing that the Jews deliberately were they hiding?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Kuroneko

Quote: Nagan

On their account of "victories" there is already an IL-20.

Nothing that the Jews deliberately were they hiding?

Yes, after 40 minutes they patrolled in the Cyprus region (it turned out that civilian traffic was mistaken for the F-16 four, and not the Syrians).

[outsider]

- Where did they fill up there - did they sit in Cyprus, or what? Any F-16, even with outboard tanks, has fuel - "just sneeze"! The same is necessary: ​​fly to the drop point, drop the bombs, spin around there for 10 minutes, wait for them to explode, wait a couple more minutes for the whole air defense to “get on the ears”! And then another 40 MINUTES THERE TO BREAK, waiting for the arrival of the IL-20 (how did they know that these "strange people" would drive the IL-20 from Idlib - to the Mediterranean Sea ?? WHERE COULD THE ISRAELI PILOTS NEAR CYPRUS KNOW ABOUT THIS FOOL ?? (They already ran out of fuel long ago). And after that, they somehow decided (at a speed of 900 km / h) to hide behind (from whom ?? why ??) with an Il-20 aircraft flying at a speed of 450 km / h. This tale was invented by a man who deeply disrespects his listeners, viewers, and readers. It is designed for "woodpeckers" ...

[outsider]

- It was said by Konashenkov ... Because his guys couldn't think of anything smarter ... But this nonsense was refuted by the Israeli air force delegation in Moscow.

[Civil]

We need the entire complex in the network of an AWACS - fighter - air defense aircraft, where did the poor Syrians get the money and trained personnel for this?

[Vicontas]

The UN ban on arms supplies to Iran ends in the fall. I do not exclude the possibility that Russia wants to give the Persians in Syria an opportunity to touch the aircraft they want to get.

[outsider]

Russia will give. On credit.

[Cyril G ...]

pilots of Syrian "MiGs" can receive target designation on Israeli fighters from "air radars" A-50U of the Russian Aerospace Forces,

Who will give them? And we ourselves, in principle, do not have enough A-50, and in order to ensure round-the-clock duty in SYRIA, we need at least half of our existing A_50

[Stalllker]

And what is stopping NOT to plant an Arab in the boar of an aircraft ??? Russia is a multinational country, there are enough pilots who profess Islam and are apparently not distinguishable from the Syrians

[outsider]

- Chechens! Kadyrov will gladly give a dozen or two of his infantrymen!

[Volga073]

Have Jews already ceased to be Arabs?

[outsider]

- Even a literate Chukchi today knows that genetically Jews are closest to Kurds, not Arabs.
Yes, and the Jews as a people identified themselves in Eretz Israel 4000 years ago, and the Arabs before Muhammad, who inspired them to conquer millions of square kilometers in the XNUMXth century AD, were a poor pathetic tribe in the territory of present-day Saudi Arabia.
Therefore, with all the desire of Russian anti-Semites, the Jews could not "descend from the Arabs" either chronologically or locally - the forefather Abraham came to Eretz Yisrael from Ura-Chaldean, in the south of modern Tell el-Mukayar in Iraq, near Nasiriya. So, the Arabs have never "lurked near" there ...

[Alexey G]

Therefore, they must be trained in our flight schools at the faculty for foreign specialists with appropriate pay and strict exams and credits, battles with Russian pilots and interaction with our AWACS.
The same goes for training anti-aircraft gunners ...

[mdsr]

All this, of course, is good that the MiG-29 SMT can snap back, in certain circumstances. However, the peculiarities of the real situation existing there are such that such circumstances they are unlikely to ever be provided. I mean the interception of Israeli fighters in the mountains of anti-Lebanon by medium-range missiles for target designation of the AWACS A-50 aircraft and, especially, the attack of these aircraft during interfering with the source of these interference. No, I agree with Damansky, theoretically, of course, this is possible, and you can even work it out on exercises. But as I said, the reality is that the Israeli Air Force is much more numerous, more professional than the Syrian Air Force, and has much more advanced weaponry. Even if such a counter battle takes place, then in a few hours these Syrian MiGs will be destroyed at their airfields. Syria simply does not have places where Israeli missiles and drones cannot reach. The recent successful Israeli attack on the outskirts of the city of Masyaf, where the Syrian battalions of the S-300 PMU2 Favorit complexes are deployed, confirm this. Therefore, in my opinion, these Syrian planes will play the same conditional role in the real protection of Syrian territory from Israeli attacks, like the S-300 PMU2 systems.

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: mdsr

No, I agree with Damansky, theoretically it is, of course, possible, and you can even practice it in exercises. But as I said, the reality is that the Israeli Air Force is much more numerous, more professional than the Syrian Air Force, and has much more advanced weaponry.

You really could not even write about this ...

[5-9]

It seems to me that the point is in the very possibility of creating such a threat. It's one thing to shoot missiles and UABs from a known safe zone, it's another to shoot a bullet knowing that you might be attacked. This greatly complicates and increases the cost of the operation, i.e. it is necessary to increase the order of the sides by 2 times, etc. Psychologically, again, not so comme il faut ... in the S-300 affected area, Helhaavir, something does not fly here.

And so it is clear that Israel can smear the SAR in its current state ... so they generally chtol do nothing?

[outsider]

... so they don't do anything at all?

- Why not? Fly, train, try to fight the Turks for Ishil ...

[Imperial Technocrat]

Russia allows Israel to attack Iran’s units in Syria because of the Russia’s PPR alliance and the Israeli lobby behind Trump, together against the American liberal financiers. Just because

After November, this alliance will no longer be needed.

[outsider]

- And Russia will prohibit Israel from attacking the IRGC on the territory of Russia? Really?

[Indifferent]

Interestingly, and the arbs who will sit at the controls of these MiGs know about everything that the author wrote here?

[Herman 4223]

They probably heard about it, but who will give them an AWACS aircraft and what is a pair of links against 300 Israeli aircraft. And Israel has the whole set for a war in the air.

[Jack O'Neill]

Interestingly, and the arbs who will sit at the controls of these MiGs know about everything that the author wrote here?

The pilots will find out, ours will teach. The question is: how will the Syrians apply knowledge?

[pudelartemon]

Of course not. They read something with difficulty, and they probably do not know how to drive such a serious machine as the twenty-ninth.

[outsider]

- There is no steering wheel on the MiG, there is a control knob ...

[7,62x54]

May the hand of the Syrian not flinch in the battle against the Jew.

[atalef]

Quote: 7,62x54

May the hand of the Syrian not flinch in the battle against the Jew.

Right or left?

[Cristall]

Quote: atalef

Quote: 7,62x54

May the hand of the Syrian not flinch in the battle against the Jew.

Right or left?

probably in the middle ..

[Jack O'Neill]

Secondly, the SUV-29M / 2 weapon control systems in general and the N019MP / Zhuk-M radars in particular, like the AN / APG-68 (V) 1-9 American airborne radars, boast passive HOJ mode (“Home-On-Jam” - guidance on interference), which consists in pointing the electronic radiation source to the radiation source, in our case, Elisra electronic warfare systems and APG-81 radars operating in the electronic warfare mode.

Well, at least someone knows about HOJ mode and correctly described it. And then the people are sure that it’s worth turning on the electronic warfare, so everyone gets a stone around.
Yes, it works both ways and the Syrians can bring down the source of interference, the same F-16I.

[Pavel57]

Work on the source of interference has always been.

[Lozovik]

Not only is it impossible to read, but also complete nonsense is written.

Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev

And despite the fact that the number of “twenty-nine” packages of military-technical assistance provided to Damascus as part of the “package” of military assistance provided to Damascus, unfortunately, cannot guarantee the Syrian Air Force to confidently maintain air supremacy in probable air battles with dozens of F- multirole fighters The 16C / D Block 50/52 of the Turkish Air Force, as well as the F-16I Sufa Hel Haavir (Israel Air Force), even a pair of units of the upgraded multi-role fighters of the 4+ generation MiG-29SMT or MiG-29M2 are quite capable of effectively patrolling the most problematic and missile-hazardous southwestern air direction of the ATS.

Where will they come from there? According to the photographs, they were given the modified 9-13.

Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev

So, for example, even one flight of four MiG-29SMT / M2, equipped with terminals for the exchange of information on tactical air situation APD-518

The APD-518 equipment was developed at the end of the 70s, only the MiG-31 has it.

Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev

K-DlAE family

K-DlAE is a communications complex on the Su-27, has no relation to the APD-518. The functionality and range of action differ significantly.

Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev

E502-20 "Turquoise" in relation to the MiG-29M2, respectively (ensure the receipt of target designation from the A-50U AWACS aircraft via secure radio communication channels in the frequency range from 0,96 to 1,215 GHz with further loading of target coordinates into the fighter's weapons control system)

Turquoise is a one-way command radio control line. Directional guidance, data on the aircraft are transmitted from NASU (that is, only from the ground), commands are displayed on the SEI screens.

Quote: Yevgeny Damantsev

as well as advanced weapons control systems SUV-29M / 2

There is no such designation. Or is it your own development?

[Octopus]

Quote: Lozovik

Not only is it impossible to read, but also complete nonsense is written.

This is Damantsev, he always writes like that. Stability is a sign of mastery.

[Viktor Sergeev]

What prevents the Syrians from placing MANPADS ambushes in the most dangerous areas? Launching a dozen Needles and Arrows will forever discourage the desire to fly around the terrain.

[Cyril G ...]

Well, let them ask the Hussites for their air defense system with RVV R-27.
This is the only option available to the Syrians.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Ours are quite capable of supplying Arrows and even Needles.

[storm]

MANPADS WERBA was tested in Syria in 2017 against UAVs.
Nothing prevents from once again sending for testing to Syria a brigade set of MANPADS "VERBA" with radar and optoelectronic reconnaissance and target designation equipment, and most importantly Russian officers - instructors of military air defense.
Several downed F-16s will permanently discourage the Israelis from invading foreign airspace.
It will be much cheaper, but an order of magnitude more effective than the modernization and restoration of the Syrian Air Force.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Knowing the Syrians, I would not give Verba to them, they will either be abandoned or sold.

[Bez 310]

Everyone knows that there will be no air battles,
but this nonsense will be discussed with terrible force.

[rocket757]

And what to discuss then?
The fact that the Syrian leadership has problems, it is inside the country that is higher than the roof and SHOULD BE SOLVED?
It's boring.

[Bez 310]

But why discuss Syria, if in articles about
our Army and Navy are not yet all commentators
insulted, called, and sent?

[rocket757]

Free, almost, playground. All come here, and the culture of the dispute, not everyone was taught that. Ignore such and all business.
We will discuss Syria, there ours and no one will leave this without attention.

[Viktor Sergeev]

One thing has not been taken into account: the Syrians will sit at the controls, and this makes any plane a heap of scrap metal.

[iouris]

Take your words back. Syrian pilots are heroes who are forced to use obsolete worn-out materiel that is not able to compete with enemy equipment. But most importantly, this technique and CAA do not have the necessary options (our industry cannot produce them) ..
There are no "steering wheels" in fighters.

[Jager]

maybe there are no pilots there?)

[Viktor Sergeev]

The Syrians are crooked fighters who are not capable of using modern weapons. If a person uses a machine gun as a club, he is not a hero. To use the plane, you need to think about tactics, cunning, and not stupidly fly at the missiles and bullets of the enemy. Jews always beat Arabs, because their hands and heads are not capable of fighting something more complicated than a club. That is why they howl about Carapace, that is why they cannot shoot down Israeli planes.

[outsider]

- In the old days, Syrian fighter pilots were superior to Soviet fighter pilots. Because:
1. The flight time for each was ~ 250 hours a year, the Soviet pilot had ~ 150 hours.
2. The flight restrictions laid down in the instructions and manuals were less for the Syrians than in the corresponding Soviet documents.
3. They knew that they had to fight for life and death, so they prepared really carefully.
4. The late Hafez Assad, himself a pilot by profession, recruited flight personnel into the Air Force not from wealthy nobility, as in Egypt, but from commoners, on a real competitive basis.
The whole bazaar about "hand-ass" Arabs is a decades-old attempt to "smear" Soviet / Russian technology and tactics, time after time losing to Western and Israeli...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Thank you, they made me laugh, it must be the Syrian pilots superior to the Soviet ones, already ridiculous. You can plant the doll and fly with it, it will have the same plaque, but this will not make it think, act outside the box. The Arabs always lacked: brains, discipline, but a lot of sloppiness and cowardice. Well, they don't know how to fight. If you want to know what the Arabs are, read what they did with the Feda air defense group.

[Viktor Sergeev]

iouris (iouris) By the way, ours beat Tigers on T34-76, Messers on Lags, Phantoms on MiG19, etc. The hero is not the one who died, but the one who won.

[iouris]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

The hero is not the one who died, but the one who won.

Hack down somewhere: heroes, as a rule, appear as a result of shortcomings of commanders and chiefs. In all other cases, the soldier performs his duties. It’s not the military who win, but the systems.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Well, so I said that. But still you are wrong about the flaw, sometimes in battle a person commits a feat that goes beyond reasonable actions, and sometimes soldiers are simply sacrificed, in the interests of the cause, for example, leaving a platoon to cover the retreat of the regiment. There is no flaw here; war is a difficult thing.

[aiden]

The presence of commentators like you turns any resource into a trash heap

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Never did the Air Force IDF HAVE ANYBODY WHAT THEY WANT AND DO

[Armored optimist]

The Cassegrain antenna is not a grid. And I hear about the parabolic lattice for the first time. Does Topwar roll into Zen level?

[PSih2097]

Quote: armored optimist

Topvar is slipping to the level of Zen?

well, in Zen, too, periodically correct thoughts slip through ...

[rocket757]

Question. Syrian leadership intends to "butt" with Israel?
Who needs it now, when within a country problems are above the roof?

[Cyril G ...]

They can declare anything. But no one is going to seriously solve the issue.

[rocket757]

I have not heard that Assad was directly eager to fight with Israel, except that they do not talk about this at all.
Iranian officials and others do not limit themselves in statements ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

I have not heard that Assad was directly eager to fight with Israel, except that they do not talk about this at all.

Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad handed over to Christine Lund, head of the UN Office for overseeing the implementation of the ceasefire in the Middle East. It says that "Syria will attack Israel if it does not leave the Golan Heights." “We will not hesitate to strike at Israel,” reads Mekdad's statement. - We are also not afraid of him (that is, Israel.)
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem addressed the UN General Assembly focusing on what the regime intends to do with the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights. He said Damascus intends to return territory from Israel after Syrian regime forces seized areas opposite the Israeli border during a recent Russian-backed offensive.

[rocket757]

The Dutch heights are not recognized for Israel, officially, this can be adjusted under the article, the liberation of their territories. But in fact, it will be a real "butting" with Israel .... I doubt that it will be a victorious war.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

GollanДIsraeli heights not recognized

I do not mind, they belong to Holland!

[rocket757]

You are right, Holland does not smell there. Golan.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

You are right, Holland does not smell there. Golan.

But the Golan Heights This is the smallest thing that Israel took
You certainly know how Hitler attacked the USSR
And how Syria, Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel, it was more insidious On the day of judgment, when the radio does not work in Israel, phones do not drive people in synagogues and there is no way to report And at two o'clock in the afternoon when the sun is exactly in the south and blinds the pilots and you can attack freely
And all the same, crush everyone and suffer heavy losses only thanks to the USSR and the USA
Israel did not enter Damascus A

[rocket757]

Have you at least ONCE read that I drown for the Arabs?
I treat the Israelis EXACTLY, but I don’t digest those others for the spirit and there are reasons for that.
I know history, but over the years so many things have accumulated there that I can’t recognize ANYONE as the right.
Our intervention, with the exception of the latter, was not to anyone's benefit!
There is east and climb there with your measure, it was unreasonable! But in another way, in past times, it was not done.
Well, at least now we have learned just by helping not to get out, much, beyond YOUR interests.

[atalef]

Quote: rocket757

The Dutch heights beyond Israel are not recognized

Dutch heights - are in Holland.

Learn the mathematical part - Victor
The Golan Heights are recognized by the United States as the territory of Israel.
It's a little cooler than

There are only 7 such countries. Almost immediately after the accession of the peninsula, it was recognized as Russian:

Afghanistan;
Venezuela;
Nicaragua;
Syria.
A little later, this list was joined:

DPRK;
Sudan;
Cuba.

Quote: rocket757

officially, it can be adapted to the article, the liberation of their territories.

[rocket757]

Who is not mistaken, the more the Internet distort sometimes, I read and wonder.
With the official recognition of the disputed territories, the bootlegger is long and not everything depends on the bzik of various figures.
So sho the points on the cards, until they are placed, finally, they will argue, curse and butt, it does not know how much.
We only have to sit on the sofas and watch, if it is interesting, of course.

[Revolver]

Quote: rocket757

Dutch heights over Israel not recognized

Recognized by Trump, and this is the most important recognition of all possible. And to put all kinds of UN there, they will not recognize Crimea for the Russian Federation, but this does not make Crimea Ukrainian.

[rocket757]

Quote: Nagan

Recognized by Trump

The question is rhetorical, the last point on the world map has not yet been put.
I don't see any reason to argue, from the position at all, NOBODY will hear our sofa opinion.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Question. Syrian leadership intends to "butt" with Israel?

But the problems are in fact higher than not one roof, and mainly in the interaction of the three main sides of Syria, Russia and Iran.
Iran is very dissatisfied with the actions of Russia in relation to Israeli attacks on the objects of the ksir.
And behind Russia’s back, they concluded an agreement with Syria, but not at the highest level, but at the level of the ministries of defense on the supply of Syrian air defense systems, for the fulfillment of tasks that Russia does not do for its own reason. But so that everything looks decent in the community, Russia supplies
upgraded MiG-29SMT / M2. unlike the fact that in the Bavar-373, 3rd Khordad air defense systems there will be ksir operators, there will be Syrian pilots on MiGs.
The Russian leadership is well aware that both of them will last only until their first action, and some will end their existence earlier (base T-4).

[rocket757]

Iran is a player in itself. He is trying to solve his problems at the expense of others ... this is a common practice in international affairs.
Moreover, the "Moor", basically, did his job, the state of Syria did not disappear, as such! Now the "Moor" will be pushed in by all means.
In general, as always ... this is a BV, looking for allies there, it's empty! So, temporary fellow travelers, customers on service, nothing more.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Moreover, the "Moor", basically, did his job, the state of Syria did not disappear, as such! Now the "Moor" will be pushed in by all means.

If it were that simple.
If by the word "Moor" you mean Assad, then you are right, and everything else is not good enough for the state of Syria, to put it mildly.
But that's another topic.

[rocket757]

Did Assad save the state? Yes, he did not abandon his own people, but he certainly did not have strength. No, "Moor" was a really powerful guy, not a local one.
That sho there will come well, if it does, very soon ... this is understandable. A lot of fuss is going around and around.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Did Assad save the state?

All that he saved with the help of Russia and Iran was his chair and possibly his head, and today Syria, only with a big stretch, can be called a sovereign state.

[rocket757]

States dependent on someone are full, but so far they retain the attributes of statehood, they are considered as such.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

but while they retain the attributes of statehood, they are considered as such.

I do not mind but not in this case
Russia, Iran, Turkey, USA, Hezbollah, Kurds, Israel, too much for sovereign state

[rocket757]

Exactly, what difference does it make, it is important because who dictates the policy of a sovereign state from the outside.
I doubt that the influence of all other than Iran in Syria is so noticeable.
Ours are by no means in the first Soviet countries.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Ours are by no means in the first Soviet countries.

And this is what I think, and it’s insulting to invest such funds in holding Assad.
And in the desire to play a leading role in the Middle East and not be the first,
it is unlikely that V.V. Putin thinks so.

[rocket757]

Not, for sure, confidently discussing something, it needs to KNOW.
And so, they helped the client, perhaps some plans of our friends were not ruined and the MILITARY BASE was restored in the Mediterranean region.
Something like this ... and what else they wanted, this is speculation. There’s nothing more to discuss;

[atalef]

Quote: rocket757

States dependent on someone full, but while they retain the attributes of statehood, they are considered as such.

that's for sure

[rocket757]

And sho there in the country ua, lost the attributes?

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

upgraded MiG-29SMT / M2.

This is all fiction. The essence of the modernization of the SMT was to sharpen the MiG under the function of IS for working on the ground, after the particularly clever Deinekins abolished the ISA.
That is, the fighter received a significantly increased radius of action, the ability to carry guided TSA, an aiming container if necessary, and so on. That is, the machine is completely suitable for solving the problems of fighting with souls. But there is no war with you.
For a simple reason, Topaz was standing there, with the Cassegrain antenna. It just introduced the ability to work on the ground. And although there the radar can work with the RVV-AE / R-77, but see above.
They can snap back, knock someone out of an ambush if the stars develop, but no more ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Cyril G ...

They can snap back, knock someone out of an ambush if the stars develop, but no more ..

You are right, it doesn’t matter what they can and what isn’t the main thing that Iran sees more than one it helps.
16 \ 07 \ 20
Russian President Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani, the Kremlin press service reported.
Mutual mood was expressed for further close coordination in order to achieve a long-term peace and improve the humanitarian situation in Syria.

[Magog_]

You are right, it doesn't matter what they can and what they can't, the main thing is that

it all looked like the Syrian Air Force ... No one assumes this alignment? Somewhere realties, far from prying eyes, Mother Russia training grounds, to work out everything well, and in Syria (in the south-west) to show the finished "performance", only Russian "actors" will sit at the helm of the Syrian MiGs. Go figure it out then who was "in the role"? It is even possible for Assad, if he succeeds, to reward the innocent (as always!), And punish the innocent if he fails - all according to the laws of the genre!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Magog_

Somewhere realties on the polygons of Mother Russia, far from prying eyes, to work everything out well,

Is this your idea or did you take it from history?

[surf dude]

It's really bad news for Forbes to be quoted in an article like this.

[Krasnodar]

Avatar without any pale Yes, Forbes somehow ... spit out probably)).

[Romario_Argo]

Anti-Lebanon mountains, or rather the Bekaa valley, is not a problem to cover, it is just that there is no such task yet

[outsider]

- Is someone going there? What for? There are no other ways to approach any goals in Syria?

[wow]

Fucking we have allies, anyway! Only Shaum can trade in Gum ....

[Kaw]

I do not understand who writes these silly splurge articles. Now the Jews will once again bomb the Syrian territory, and you, now for the MiG-29, will justify why it did not work. No few planes there will change the balance of power at all. Worse, they can be shot down there and inflict another blow on the already poor reputation of our military-industrial complex.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Kaw

Now the Jews will once again bomb Syrian territory

And you have talent.
17 July 2020 g
Unidentified planes attacked targets of pro-Iranian militia in the Al-Bukamal area, in the east of the Syrian governorate of Dir al-Zur, near the Iraqi border. The website of the Arab newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat reports that five military planes were involved, apparently belonging to the Western coalition led by the United States or Israel.
Massive airstrikes inflicted on Syria
On the evening of July 16, in the area of ​​the settlement of Salamiyya in the province of Hama, the Syrian air defense forces repelled a drone attack. Syria is trying to find out who owns the drones. There are no other details at the moment.

[_Ugene_]

all this is just ridiculous, put at least fifty MIG-29 there, it doesn’t change anything, too much power is not equal

[Polente the Wanderer]

If there is another raid and these fighters do not help, then this article will not cost a penny ...
So wait and see ...
And let's see if it is worth believing the words and their creator

[Volga073]

The Syrians should bomb Jewish airfields, not chase every plane.
Eye for an eye

[outsider]

- And they shmogut ??!

[zlobny tatarin]

As soon as I see a detailed listing of what and how much is installed, a lot of unnecessary technical characteristics, I immediately understand ... Damantsev. And I close the tab. Because it is impossible to read.

[storm]

Russia in Syria is not to save the Assad regime.
The main goal is to prevent the construction of oil and gas pipelines from Saudi Arabia through Syria to Europe.
The cost of oil production in Russia is several times higher than in Saudi Arabia!
We cannot stand this conference.
Oil and gas exports account for 60% of the RF budget revenues.
Now it is probably clear why we are in Syria ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: assault

Oil and gas exports account for 60% of the RF budget revenues.

Do not try to misinterpret, be careful:

At the end of 2018, Russia is still structurally dependent on fluctuations in the oil market: oil and gas account for about 20 percent of GDP, 45 percent of federal budget revenues and almost 60 percent of exports.

Quote: assault

Now it is probably clear why we are in Syria ...

It is perfectly clear to me why Israel is in the Middle East - its interests and ambitions are clear. It is clear that there are peoples living before the collapse of the world colonial system. Even the presence of the military contingent of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of Syria is quite simple to explain, and not so much by the mercantile interests of the "owners" of Russian subsoil resources, as by the geopolitical interests of the country, which claims to be the owner of the nuclear triad. Yes, at least, take the provision of operational space for the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
It is not clear what you meant by saying that:

it is clear why we are in Syria ...

As far as the article is concerned, to my deep regret I can state that today the Israeli military did not “nervously smoke on the sidelines”. Moreover, they generally do not perceive the presence of the Russian contingent in Syria as a kind of military threat or a threat to sovereignty in general.

[outsider]

Moreover, they generally do not perceive the presence of the Russian contingent in Syria as a kind of military threat or a threat to sovereignty in general.

- What is the threat ?! "Peace, friendship, gum!"

[hostel]

And we ourselves do not need MIGs? . We have an acute shortage of fighters. In addition, it is ridiculous to read about the A-50 we have only 50 of them together with the A-9u. There was a special article on this site.

[Mikhail Ya2]

Such articles were published when the S-400 was installed in Khmeimim, they say now we can shoot through all of Israel, almost on takeoff. Then about the supply of S-300, they say the previous ones are only for the protection of the Russian base, but these will shoot down the Jews. Now moments .......

[outsider]

Such articles were published when the S-400 was installed in Khmeimim, they say now we can shoot through all of Israel, almost on takeoff.

- And the curvature of the Earth ??!

[Mikhail Ya2]

And the men did not know!

[stone]

Looks like autumn is just around the corner. The great "storyteller" Damantsev has another exacerbation.

[acetophenone]

Until at least one is shot down, all this is empty talk.

[CBR600]

We will wait for good news from the theater. And yes, the A-50U, you need to raise it. And without him, it's garbage.
I would also like to know how many pieces.

[outsider]

- One piece ...

[outsider]

Quote: 7,62x54

May the hand of the Syrian not flinch in the battle against the Jew.

- Inshallah!

[outsider]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Quote: rocket757

I have not heard that Assad was directly eager to fight with Israel, except that they do not talk about this at all.

Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad handed over to Christine Lund, head of the UN Office for overseeing the implementation of the ceasefire in the Middle East. It says that "Syria will attack Israel if it does not leave the Golan Heights." “We will not hesitate to strike at Israel,” reads Mekdad's statement. - We are also not afraid of him (that is, Israel.)
Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem addressed the UN General Assembly focusing on what the regime intends to do with the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights. He said Damascus intends to return territory from Israel after Syrian regime forces seized areas opposite the Israeli border during a recent Russian-backed offensive.

- And why quote this ridiculous bullshit?

[Mimino]

It is not technology that fights, but a man. The Arabs have an eternal problem with quality in terms of "human material". Against the Israelis, they have no chance even on the latest machines, for their guts are thin.