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Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements

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Finish him!


More recently, the German publication “Spiegel” was very optimistic about the ultimatum that Moscow had allegedly delivered to Kiev: to demonstrate some shifts in the implementation of the Minsk agreements by July 6 (at least in the form of changing the law “On special status”), otherwise ... Which “Otherwise” should have happened, no one knows, but it is obvious that so far Kiev's only answer has been the final refusal to hold local elections in the LPNR.

On July 15, it became known that the Ukrainian parliament adopted a resolution on holding local elections in Ukraine on October 25, 2020. By draft resolution, the next election of deputies of local councils and rural, village, city mayors is scheduled for Sunday October 25, 2020. Moreover, they will be held only on the territory controlled by the Ukrainian government. Nor will Donetsk and Lugansk regional councils be elected, whose powers remain with the civil-military administrations.

Ukraine adheres to the previous position, completely leveling the Minsk Agreement: first full control over the border with the Russian Federation and the disarmament of the republics, and then the holding of elections. For those who survive disarmament. In fact, the holding of the next local elections in Donbass without the participation of LDNR (the past was in 2010) is the final chord, after which it is impossible to talk about the implementation of Minsk.

Sliced ​​chunk


In recent years, Kiev has increasingly been showing reluctance to return uncontrolled territories. It is likely that even if the long-promised “drain” and transfer of the border had taken place, few in the Ukrainian government would have been happy with this fact. Yes, it would be very tempting to arrange a heroic mopping up, but you won’t kill everyone and you won’t imprison them: there will remain millions of people who will have to provide a more or less acceptable standard of living, social services, pensions, compensation, etc. Not to mention the restoration of infrastructure that would be worth billions of hryvnias.

Kiev is too tough for this financial burden today, so not only journalists and opinion leaders, but also quite officials, openly explain that “we don’t need such a Donbass”. The other day, Deputy Prime Minister for the reintegration of temporarily occupied territories, Alexei Reznikov, said that Donbass could become Ukrainian no earlier than a quarter century.

“Even if we hold elections tomorrow in those territories, which means that they will be free from the occupying forces and there will be no illegal armed groups, Ukrainian flags will fly, - this territory will remain a war territory for a long time to come. Both from the point of view of mining, and in the mentality of people ... Therefore, safe reintegration will take at least 25 years. This one generation should change when we can say that the restored control in those territories by the Ukrainian authorities will also lead to overcoming the destruction of that discord in the heads that are there. Because there were born children who do not know what a free Ukraine is, and today they are already going to school. Therefore, it’s for a long time in any version, and we must prepare for this ”

- said Reznikov.

Nevertheless, it would be foolish to expect that Ukraine will work to reduce tensions on the demarcation line. Rather, on the contrary, LDNR expects an even greater escalation of violence.

What's next?


Frankly, after Kiev ostentatiously refuses to perform Minsk (as if he had been too diligent in doing it before!), Gathering for gatherings in the Norman format or even in the capital of Belarus was even somewhat indecent. What is the point of this agony? Is it time to move on to a different format, to some kind of action? Yes, in 2014-2018, the Minsk agreements made it possible to ensure relative calm on the demarcation line, which gave the republics the opportunity to create a more or less effective replica of the state and somehow solve everyday issues. However, today guns are already drowning out politicians, who have been pushing water in a mortar for a year. The long-awaited reaction of the world community, which supposedly was to punish Kiev for not fulfilling Minsk or withdrawing from the agreements, did not occur. So what's next?

The worst thing, of course, is the hunch that all this absurdity could go on, that it could last another 5, 7, 10, or even 25 years. With the same results, with the same empty rhetoric and constant casualties among civilians and military. The whole point is that the population of the republics is unlikely to wait so long - people will simply scatter. And there will remain the eternal “Minsk”, the endless war and the buffer zone that is no longer needed by anyone, for which there will no longer be any sense in fighting. I would like to believe, of course, that this cannot happen, but, given the dynamics and circumstances, it is also impossible to withdraw such an option from the accounts.
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  1. Alien From
    Alien From 17 July 2020 10: 06 New
    +1
    Stripes do not give rest to non-brothers ....... yes, it’s only pennies for mattresses!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 July 2020 10: 18 New
      32
      What's next?

      And then, you need to work hard as with the lowest cost (I don't want to write blood), return the territories that the DPR and LPR lost in 2014 during the Ukrainian aggression ...
      " I wish you caress "(as Poroshenko said to Putin), to prepare the ground for the entry of territories into the Russian Federation ...
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 17 July 2020 10: 24 New
        -10
        Quote: Insurgent
        .. prepare the way for the territories to become part of the Russian Federation ...


        In my opinion, in Donetsk, reporters interviewed in 1991:
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 17 July 2020 10: 29 New
          10
          Quote: Nasr
          In my opinion, in Donetsk, reporters interviewed in 1991:

          And in my opinion, you are lying unproven yes

          After all, such a "video cut" could be filmed anywhere in the en masse Russian-speaking Ukraine, even in Lviv.
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat 17 July 2020 10: 31 New
            -13
            I agree unprovenly ... it is strange only why 84% of the inhabitants of Donbass in 1991 voted for the independence of Ukraine in a referendum ... - I hope this is conclusive. ??? ..

            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 17 July 2020 10: 34 New
              +9
              Quote: Nasr
              why 84% of residents of Donbass in 1991 voted for the independence of Ukraine in a referendum ... - I hope this is proof ...

              Yes, it is evidence if you provide representative documentary evidence, rather than limit yourself to this. next info throw about "percent" ...
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 17 July 2020 10: 37 New
                -13
                Will you deny the same?
                March 1, 1991 it was announced the beginning of the next general strike of miners in the Donbass. The miners, in particular, demanded the resignation of the president, the dissolution of the Council of People's Deputies of the USSR and the constitutional execution of a declaration of state sovereignty of Ukraine.
                Miners' speech on Khreshchatyk on April 18, 1991 ...
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 17 July 2020 10: 49 New
                  16
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Will you deny the same?
                  Miners' speech on Khreshchatyk on April 18, 1991 ...


                  Sorry, but miners are exclusively "Donetsk" or "Luhansk" belay ?

                  But what about the Lviv-Volyn coal and Dnieper brown coal basins?


                  DO NOT FOLLOW A LITTER ON A LITTER.

                  People who see how the Donbass is fighting, you still will not believe No.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 17 July 2020 11: 05 New
                    -14
                    the pools may be different, but is it a coincidence that on June 16-17, 1990 it was in Donetsk that the first in the history of the USSR congress of miners was organized, organized by the miners themselves. Most of the delegates were workers in mines, opencasts and processing plants. Do you think the Donbass miners were not allowed there? Or were Lviv miners in charge? tongue
                  2. pereselenec
                    pereselenec 17 July 2020 17: 48 New
                    -16
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Excuse me, are miners exclusively "Donetsk" or "Luhansk"?

                    But what about the Lviv-Volyn coal and Dnieper brown coal basins?


                    Those. In your opinion, in 1991 Bendera disguised as miners from the Western region came to Donetsk and held rallies on behalf of the Donetsk miners, having covered the eyes of innocent Soviet patriots with a lie?
                  3. German Titov
                    German Titov 18 July 2020 07: 29 New
                    +3
                    Zema! They don't care if only to throw the "devil" on the fan. They don't even remember that Donbass supported the strike of the "Vorkuta" miners. There is also Kuzbass, Intaugol, Norilsk. The strikes were instigated by "respected partners", with the connivance of "Gorbaty". Before the strikes, miners received "non-acid" (I am a drifter, I remember). After the strikes everything went according to the cap.
                    1. georgiigennadievitch
                      georgiigennadievitch 19 July 2020 10: 09 New
                      +4
                      In the summer of 1991, the local GO (Civil Defense) regiment was gathering in Kuzbass. The miners arrived in foreign cars!? (This is in 1991!) They refused to dine. I, at that time a representative of the Sibvo headquarters, a colonel, went to taste lunch. Ordinary soldier's food cooked in the field kitchen. Savory borscht for the first, navy pasta for the second and compote for the third. In my opinion and taste, everything was cooked soundly and tasty. Earthenware dishes. Spoons and forks made of stainless steel. Clean and cultured. During the "heart-to-heart" conversation that took place after that, they refused to live in standard military tents and asked to let them go home for one day. All returned. Moreover, they brought imported sleeping bags, some unseen imported canned food, raw smoked sausage, red and white balyks. fish, red and black caviar, etc. It became clear why the attorneys disdained the soldiers' food. During the conversation, they asked how much money I was getting. I said. They did not believe me. I showed them my membership card with marks about b payment. They laughed at me to tears. And then they said you are a good man, but you live poorly to the point of indecency. Quit and get a job at our mine. We have women who give out flashlights and gas masks before slaughter receive 5 times more than you This is how the struggle went between Gorby and Borya drunk for influence among the people. Gorby "paid" the military, and Borya allowed the mines to independently conclude contracts for the supply of coal for export.
                2. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 17 July 2020 11: 01 New
                  10
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Will you deny the same?
                  March 1, 1991 it was announced the beginning of the next general strike of miners in the Donbass. The miners, in particular, demanded the resignation of the president, the dissolution of the Council of People's Deputies of the USSR and the constitutional execution of a declaration of state sovereignty of Ukraine.
                  Miners' speech on Khreshchatyk on April 18, 1991 ...

                  In '91, everyone demanded something and everyone wanted to live separately. I wonder about Independence Day of Russia - from what?
                  1. Akuzenka
                    Akuzenka 17 July 2020 18: 44 New
                    +4
                    As usual - from common sense. We are all backward strong and unstable to propaganda. Everyone wanted to live better. Some became, and the rest began to live worse. So that the first live better.
                  2. ultra
                    ultra 17 July 2020 22: 11 New
                    0
                    We have no independence day
                  3. SAG
                    SAG 18 July 2020 22: 32 New
                    -1
                    Come on? belay and when in Russia celebrate independence day? You are talking nonsense
                3. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 17 July 2020 18: 41 New
                  0
                  Yes, propaganda worked well then! They demanded. Interview these miners now. I think that people who have lost a lot of weight and their worldview has changed a lot.
              2. Nasrat
                Nasrat 17 July 2020 10: 38 New
                -13
                And I’ll add to you:
                It was in the Donbass on June 6-17, 1990 that the first congress of miners took place in the history of the USSR, which adopted a statement on the need to get rid of the Communist Party, because: “Since the worker, when he led the CPSU country, became not the master of the country, but remained in the position of the workforce, and any attempt to change this status - the actions of workers in accordance with communist ideology, who want to be a collective owner - runs into opposition from the CPSU and the administration of enterprises ”[from documents of the Congress].
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 17 July 2020 11: 01 New
                  -6
                  Quote: Nasr
                  And I’ll add to you:
                  It is in the Donbass

                  Do not add anymore No. Already by writing "AT Donbass "(correctly in Russian -"В Donbass "), I see what he writes stubborn Ukrainian yes .
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat 17 July 2020 11: 10 New
                    +5
                    "HA" and "B" is a strong argument, but it does not negate the fact of the statements of Donbass miners in 1990 ... bully
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 17 July 2020 11: 14 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Nasr
                      The argument is strong, but does not cancel the fact of the statements of the Donbass miners in 1990 ...

                      Download by, dear dill yes Stuffing and yapping are not interesting No.
                      1. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 17 July 2020 11: 21 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        Quote: Nasr
                        The argument is strong, but does not cancel the fact of the statements of the Donbass miners in 1990 ...

                        Download by, dear dill yes Stuffing and yapping are not interesting No.

                        Well, where is the stuffing then? I cited well-known facts, and confirmed by the course of history .. I understand that you perceive it painfully and rightly so, perhaps future generations of Donbass will never vote for leaving Russia because you pay for the mistakes of the past generation with your blood ...
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent 17 July 2020 11: 26 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Well, where is the stuffing then?

                        What prevents you from understanding that on time (" quite by the way ") information published and prepared in a special way may be considered informational stuffing ?

                        This is what you do yes shaking out "hot sensations", "facts" that smelled of mothballs from the chest ...
                      3. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 17 July 2020 11: 32 New
                        +2
                        Why are they hot, I just remind comrades that Donbass was the first to initiate Ukraine’s exit from the USSR, hoping for its industrial potential, and when Donbass realized that it was, to put it mildly, suspended from decision-making in Ukraine, decided that it was brutally deceived ...
                      4. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 17 July 2020 14: 07 New
                        14
                        Quote: Nasr
                        Why are they hot, I just remind comrades that Donbass was the first to initiate Ukraine’s exit from the USSR, hoping for its industrial potential, and when Donbass realized that it was, to put it mildly, suspended from decision-making in Ukraine, decided that it was brutally deceived ...

                        You either out of ignorance, or for the sake of provocation misinterpret what happened in 1990-1991. Russia, led by drunkard Yeltsin, declared sovereignty on June 12, 1990. Ukraine - only July 16, 1990, after. After the failure of the GKChP and Yeltsin’s calls for everyone to leave the USSR in order to destroy it, Ukraine declared its independence on August 24, 1991. The referendum on the confirmation of the independence of Ukraine was December 1, 1991. And independence was confirmed by 90% of those participating, this is true. But why did they vote so? The organizers were convincing that independence was needed to protect oneself from the inadequate drunkard Yeltsin, whose inadequacy was visible to everyone! And, in addition, they promised that the planned CIS would be the same USSR, only in a new way. Believe it. ALL (both Russians and Ukrainians) were deceived ...
                      5. Nasrat
                        Nasrat 17 July 2020 15: 14 New
                        -14
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        The organizers convinced that independence is needed to protect themselves from the inadequate drunkard Yeltsin.

                        Well ...... have you been saved? What are you asking for back now? Did you like the ruler? Or what?

                        Russians were saved from Russia !!! By separation from Russia !! Horrible!!! In truth, you can justify anything ...
                      6. Uncle Izya
                        Uncle Izya 17 July 2020 19: 16 New
                        -2
                        In the Baltic countries, the initiators of the branch, too, were Russian-speaking
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        2. evgen1221
          evgen1221 18 July 2020 08: 08 New
          +1
          Yes, your fraternity of paid propagandists has already lifted up; if you essentially have nothing to say to your opponent, you begin to poke aplomb into the grammar. Guys, this no longer works, as described in your manuals. Immunity and resistance have developed.
  2. major147
    major147 17 July 2020 11: 53 New
    +9
    Quote: Nasr
    I agree unprovenly ... it is strange only why 84% of the inhabitants of Donbass in 1991 voted for the independence of Ukraine in a referendum ... - I hope this is conclusive. ??? ..

    I already wrote about it somehow. My uncle, a WWII participant, a Ukrainian with a Ukrainian surname told me this story. He then lived in the Rostov region near the Ukrainian border and went there for goods to their then plentiful shops. And as he went into the store as usual, he turned to the saleswoman in Russian with a question. That reaction is zero. He is louder again. The reaction is the same. Then he turned in Ukrainian and it all worked.
    This small fact reflects the mood of the time in Ukraine, such as leaving Russia, which "eats us up and live separately and happily."
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 17 July 2020 12: 23 New
      -1
      You see, you said in other words and the people like it, I said it differently and the people do not like it ... But the meaning remains the same ... wink They wanted to leave the union with Russia and left, in the hope of a powerful industrial and agricultural sector. base ... the result - now they are fighting to return !!!
      1. major147
        major147 17 July 2020 13: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: Nasr
        now they’re fighting to come back !!!

        Over time, the "rose-colored glasses" fell off .....
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 17 July 2020 13: 32 New
          -2
          Quote: major147
          Quote: Nasr
          now they’re fighting to come back !!!

          Over time, the "rose-colored glasses" fell off .....

          I hope for always !!
      2. Thompson
        Thompson 18 July 2020 14: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        They wanted to leave the union with Russia

        Don't mislead. Wanted to go out from USSR
    2. German Titov
      German Titov 18 July 2020 07: 22 New
      +2
      Chatter. I went to vote "for amendments to the Constitution of Russia." Kuibyshevo (Rostov region). Do the locals communicate in "Movnoy surzhik" and "sho"?
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 17 July 2020 12: 20 New
    +1
    you voted for a lot in 1991 too
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 17 July 2020 12: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Ryaruav
      you voted for a lot in 1991 too

      I am an Imperialist and have always voted for the empire, in whatever form ..
  4. German Titov
    German Titov 18 July 2020 07: 19 New
    +1
    I congratulate you, "mister sovramshi". I was personally present in December 1991 at the polling station. About 85% were against "Independence". In 2014, "under the barrels of machine guns" Donbass voted for the DPR.
  5. Thompson
    Thompson 18 July 2020 14: 39 New
    0
    Remind you how many percent of the population of the USSR voted to preserve it ???
    And by the way, everyone speaks for independence as a temporary one for a given time period, but in cooperation and friendship with Russia.
    Moskalyaku on a naked and jumping on?
  • Victorio
    Victorio 17 July 2020 11: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: Nasr
    In my opinion, in Donetsk, reporters interviewed in 1991:

    And in my opinion, you are lying unproven yes

    After all, such a "video cut" could be filmed anywhere in the en masse Russian-speaking Ukraine, even in Lviv.

    ===
    Yes, even in Donetsk, time, people and moods were different, this could be removed in some regions of Russia. why minus comment is unclear.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 July 2020 11: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Victorio
      why minus comment is not clear

      It seems logical and understandable why they were "minus" yes .
      Apparently because the giant (citizen) Nasrat 30 year old mossy video now wants to show that Donbass is not worthy of entering the Russian Federation ...
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 17 July 2020 11: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        ..that Donbass is not worthy of entering the Russian Federation ...


        that’s not the point .... I wanted to say that for the Russian regions of the Russian Empire, a break with Russia is paid for with blood ... and the incredible difficulties of returning home ... This is a warning! Perhaps this is the reckoning of this generation, for the error of the generation of the 80s ..
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 July 2020 19: 00 New
    -7
    Nasrat (Yevlampy Spiridonovich)
    In my opinion, in Donetsk, reporters interviewed in 1991:
    : Lies. And pure fake. I remember I knew only one person who vigorously voted for the separation of Ukraine from the USSR. It was my father! wassat He defiantly with the words "Yes, to make life easier for Russia" was the only one then voted for leaving the USSR laughing
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 July 2020 10: 28 New
    +8
    So far it’s not advisable to think about joining the composition.
    Too far perspective.
    But the return of all territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions is a paramount task that should be planned and solved immediately.
    1. NIKN
      NIKN 17 July 2020 10: 30 New
      10
      Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements

      If a girl goes to another, then it is not known who is lucky. wink
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 July 2020 10: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Livonetc
      So far it’s not advisable to think about joining the composition.
      Too far perspective.
      But the return of all territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions is a paramount task that should be planned and solved immediately.

      Does not matter,one from the other follows.
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 17 July 2020 11: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      For now, think about joining impractical.

      ===
      wow brought a word. then send away and all.
      / inexpedient - the game is not worth the candle, there is no sense, it is inappropriate, useless, pointless, not worth it, it does not make sense, is unreasonable, unjustified, the game is not worth the candle, there is no calculation, it is irrational /
    4. Octopus
      Octopus 17 July 2020 11: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Livonetc
      the primary task that should be planned and addressed immediately.

      Come on, come on.
    5. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 July 2020 11: 51 New
      +7
      Quote: Livonetc
      impractical

      It is quite reasonable. It’s time to let the people of Donbass live normally as part of our common country.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2020 11: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Insurgent
    , return those territories that the DPR and LPR lost in 2014 during the Ukrainian aggression ...

    if we talk about the return of the territory, then simply returning the Donetsk and Lugansk regions within 13 years is also a half measure that will create only more problems
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 July 2020 11: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      just the return of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions within 13 years is also a half measure which

      Odessa, Kiev and our other cities also need to be returned. The later this is done, the more problems there will be.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2020 13: 13 New
        +5
        you need to return everything except Galicia
  • Shteffan
    Shteffan 17 July 2020 17: 03 New
    -10
    Aggression is in your head. Wake up, it's time to get ready for work.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 18 July 2020 03: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Insurgent
    prepare the ground for the entry of territories into the Russian Federation ...

    Is it worth teasing geese and pigs? Of course, Donbass is essentially a part of the Russian world, but the entry into the Russian Federation is now somewhat untimely. It was necessary even then, together with Crimea, but now or in the near future it will only cause additional sanctions. It can declare sovereignty and ban, and entry into the CIS as a subject of international law. In the end, Israel is about the same size and population, and nothing, quite a state for itself, especially since the LPR (or New Russia, no matter how you name yourself) at least one border with a related and unconditionally friendly neighbor, unlike Israel, which has from all sides the Arabs. And when everyone gets used to the fact that Donbass is not Ukraine, it will be possible to apply for entry into the Russian Federation.
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 22 July 2020 00: 48 New
    0
    And you have to write in blood
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 July 2020 10: 08 New
    +5
    Died that in principle could not survive.
    A sho further ???
    Theoretically, one should ask, but what will follow, who is next?
  • Trevis
    Trevis 17 July 2020 10: 09 New
    +4
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements

    Was she there?
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 July 2020 10: 27 New
      0
      Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements

      Directly following the example of overseas owners, if any contract is unprofitable, we are leaving!
      So maybe they act on instructions from "above" ?!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 July 2020 10: 09 New
    0
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements
    Well, the compulsion to peace maydanutyh? We will only take information from Merkel and Macron. repeat Invite for tea, or what? repeat
  • Asad
    Asad 17 July 2020 10: 11 New
    +3
    So it will be, the old people will die, the young will disperse, some to Russia, some to Ukraine. Especially in Ukraine, if I understood correctly, they made some concessions for the students of the DPR and LPR.
  • Hikaro
    Hikaro 17 July 2020 10: 16 New
    +9
    The agreements didn't work anyway! The pro-fascist Bandera unfinished again showed the whole world its rotten snout !! I hope Russia has enough determination to protect Donbass from the Bandera massacre! And it is high time to completely break off all relations with this junta !!
  • svp67
    svp67 17 July 2020 10: 26 New
    +6
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements
    How can you "get out" of something that you never "entered" ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 10: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      How can you "get out" of something that you never "entered" ...

      In Ukraine, you can do anything, even put on pants over your head.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 17 July 2020 12: 28 New
        +5
        even wear pants over your head

        Estessno, given the location of the head
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 July 2020 13: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Aviator_
          Estessno, given the location of the head

          Reasonable remark.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 17 July 2020 19: 56 New
          0
          even wear pants over your head


          Estessno, given the location of the head
          And the width of the trousers of the trousers.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 17 July 2020 10: 27 New
    -1
    The policy of Ukraine is not the policy or attitude of most people living and representing the country. The policy of Ukraine is carried out by people. But more than that, you need to know who invented and who implements this project of Ukraine. Because the power is represented by frank and mediocre rabble. And I think that in Russia they know, but do not localize, these sources of confrontation. Moreover, Russia may have its own plans.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 17 July 2020 10: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: gridasov
      The policy of Ukraine is not the policy or attitude of most people living and representing the country

      There is no politics there, everything happens spontaneously, thoughtlessly and emotionally, at the level of a collective farm meeting on the “Chervoniy Bast” collective farm. The project "Ukraine" was created, but did not create a ruling class and a platform for the implementation of this project.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 17 July 2020 13: 49 New
        0
        And yet she is, but in a perverted and criminal in anti-people form. And correctly you say that it’s often not modeled and pragmatic, but spontaneous and in manual control
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 17 July 2020 13: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          And yet she is, but in a perverted and criminal in anti-people form.

          What they created is what happened.
          The monkey is weak with old eyes;
          And at people she heard,
          That this evil is not yet so big a hand:
          Only it is necessary to get Glasses.
          She took out the half-dozen glasses with herself;
          Twirls Points and syak:
          Then to temyu they will be pressed, then they will be pinched on the tail,
          Then they sniff them, then water them;
          Points do not work in any way ..
          .
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 17 July 2020 14: 06 New
            0
            Reality remains as it is. The question is that the current situation has led to causes and circumstances. So the consequences can be very easily predicted.
  • Avior
    Avior 17 July 2020 10: 29 New
    -9
    There is only one small remark to Malov’s article - Ukraine does not withdraw from the Minsk agreements.
    1. Avior
      Avior 17 July 2020 10: 50 New
      -5
      Officially, there will be no one to enter into these agreements, but each one will read them in their own way.
      There are big doubts that these agreements can solve the problem.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 17 July 2020 11: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Avior
        There are big doubts that these agreements can solve the problem.

        ===
        maybe you should at least try
        1. Avior
          Avior 17 July 2020 12: 14 New
          -5
          And how do you imagine this?
          In the Minsk agreements, they wrote that the elections should be held according to the Ukrainian law on elections, which means everyone will want to participate, including outspoken nationalists, who are not so many but enough in the Donbas, to run an election campaign there, they and their proxies should have full access, those who left Donbass will come, at every step there will be provocations and And so on.
          It’s not just about coming in and throwing out ballots
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 17 July 2020 13: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Avior
            And how do you imagine this?
            In the Minsk agreements, they wrote that the elections should be held according to the Ukrainian law on elections, which means everyone will want to participate, including outspoken nationalists, who are not so many but enough in the Donbas, to run an election campaign there, they and their proxies should have full access, those who left Donbass will come, at every step there will be provocations and And so on.
            It’s not just about coming in and throwing out ballots

            ===
            there would be a desire, but no, so blame yourself.
          2. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 10: 04 New
            0
            according to Ukrainian legislation ....... but in the DNI and LNR do not care what kind of legislation there is in a sump called the territory of U ..... and what is going on there. ... at the moment there are only kontrobstels, which are popularly called ANSWER ... and .... and that's it .... no one in their right mind in the LPNR will lead to the confusion of the Kiev junta. holding elections is a crap of the junta itself ...... by the way. the junta itself does not know how many people live on its territory, and even more so citizens who have the right to vote ....... the big top continues ... and the LDNR is moving forward
  • avia12005
    avia12005 17 July 2020 10: 29 New
    +1
    Interestingly, at least someone in Moscow realizes that the endless delay of the issue of Donbass and Ukraine as a whole is increasingly perceived both in the Donbass and in the Russian Federation itself as defeat and cowardice?

    In other words, sooner or later, this may affect stability in the Russian Federation itself.
    1. codetalker
      codetalker 17 July 2020 10: 57 New
      0
      Thank God that Moscow is not working for the public.
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 17 July 2020 12: 18 New
        -3
        If for you Russians in Ukraine and others b. republics public, then it is clear.
    2. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 17 July 2020 14: 19 New
      -4
      Quote: avia12005
      In other words, sooner or later, this may affect stability in the Russian Federation itself.

      Yeah. Apparently this is the "only problem" of possible instability
      in the Russian Federation itself.
      .
  • yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 17 July 2020 10: 30 New
    12
    Just some who in 2014 did not have enough political will and fortitude to finish this booth once and for all, and if this did not happen, then this aggravation is beneficial to someone and brings not small dividends.
    1. rotkiv04
      rotkiv04 17 July 2020 10: 48 New
      -3
      Someone took the Crimea so he didn’t even realize that if it weren’t for the Strelkov, there wouldn’t be anything, but during the events in Slavyansk some people were already dumb and quiet
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 17 July 2020 11: 32 New
      0
      About the alignment of the oligarchy on the example of Odessa before the local elections in 2020
      Election of the mayor of Odessa. Many invited and few chosen
      Vitaly Didenko
      14.07.2020, 08: 05
      https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20200714/1028235548.htm
      Read and much will become clear
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 17 July 2020 11: 41 New
        0
        Quote: To be or not to be
        About the alignment of the oligarchy on the example of Odessa before the local elections in 2020
        Election of the mayor of Odessa. Many invited and few chosen
        Vitaly Didenko
        14.07.2020, 08: 05
        https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20200714/1028235548.htm
        Read and much will become clear

        ===
        the link does not work
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 17 July 2020 11: 44 New
          0
          Alas. You’ll try to find the title by title
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 17 July 2020 11: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Election of the mayor of Odessa. Many invited and few chosen
            Vitaly Didenko

            ===
            Are you from Odessa? where did the former head of the Odessa Emergencies Ministry bodelan go to?
  • BAI
    BAI 17 July 2020 10: 32 New
    +2
    As every year Ukraine moves away from Russia, so every year Donbass will move away from Ukraine. Time works for separation, not for convergence.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 17 July 2020 10: 40 New
    +2
    And so it’s clear what’s next: the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the person of Zakharova will express concerns, the follow-up will continue in Minsk, but the one who was going to stand behind the backs of women and children of Donbass will quietly sit in the corner and dream of how he will strike first
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 17 July 2020 10: 48 New
    +5
    Reznikov believes
    This one generation should be replaced when you and I can say that the restored control in those territories by the Ukrainian authorities will also lead to overcoming the destruction of the discord in their heads.
    Here he piled the garden, and he himself won’t understand what
    Because there were born children who do not know what a free Ukraine is
    But then these children know what Ukrainian shelling is, killed parents, brothers and sisters. And this new generation that Reznik is talking about will know perfectly well what Ukraine and their Bandera freedom are. If now there is some small share in the return of Donbas to Ukraine, then after 25 years, Ukraine can only get ears from a dead donkey.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 17 July 2020 10: 50 New
    -5
    In recent years, Kiev has increasingly been showing reluctance to return uncontrolled territories.

    And someone can clearly explain why Ukraine should be willing to return them ??
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 17 July 2020 11: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Roman123567
      And someone can clearly explain why Ukraine should be willing to return them ??

      That is, in your opinion, Ukraine, living off the export of ferrous metals, does not want to regain Enakievsky label, Enakievsky coke plant, Khartsyzsk pipe plant, Alchevskiy markok, Alchevsk coke plant, Gorlovsk coke plant, Dongormash, Makeevkoks? And this is only from the point of view of the economy.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 17 July 2020 11: 44 New
        -3
        Who are ravaged and destroyed in the war
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 17 July 2020 15: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Kronos
          Who are ravaged and destroyed in the war

          What do you grind? Have you been to them? They work.
      2. Octopus
        Octopus 17 July 2020 11: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: CSKA
        That is, in your opinion, Ukraine, living through the export of ferrous metals, does not want to regain

        The frayer's greed ruined.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 17 July 2020 15: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Octopus
          The frayer's greed ruined.

          Let's hope so.
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 17 July 2020 11: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Roman123567
      why should Ukraine want to return them ??

      This is a rather empty idea about the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Say, such and such Ukrainian cities are occupied - must be returned.

      An alternative idea that Ukraine is a people, not a land, and if some people do not consider themselves Ukrainians, they should not be returned, but, on the contrary, get rid of them by any means, requires some intellectual and volitional efforts, and therefore is not popular.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2020 10: 55 New
    +7
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements
    can you still write the headings corresponding to reality?
    WHERE, WHEN and WHO from the official representatives of Ukraine declared the OFFICIAL withdrawal from the Minsk agreements? !!!!
    why write like that ?!
    I read the headline and immediately let's wool all the news agencies, but no DUCK
  • codetalker
    codetalker 17 July 2020 11: 01 New
    +4
    The fact that Ukraine is not able to fulfill the Minsk agreements is known to absolutely everyone since their signing. Nevertheless, they allowed to reduce external pressure on the republics and on Russia. It is very good that Ukraine refuses the agreements, but here it is necessary to wait until they officially leave.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 17 July 2020 11: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: codetalker
      The fact that Ukraine is not able to fulfill the Minsk agreements is known to absolutely everyone since their signing. Nevertheless, they allowed to reduce external pressure on the republics and on Russia. It is very good that Ukraine refuses the agreements, but here it is necessary to wait until they officially leave.

      Finally, a sensible comment.
  • Suslin
    Suslin 17 July 2020 11: 31 New
    0
    I believe that our Foreign Ministry should raise the issue at the UN Security Council, PACE and other international organizations in this regard. And as soon as possible and louder. After all, this is not a joke, just to take and get out of the signed agreements, under which are the guarantors.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 17 July 2020 12: 01 New
      -4
      Quote: Suslin
      After all, this is not a joke, just take and exit signed agreements

      If I remember everything correctly, the so-called The Minsk agreements were signed by one Kiev pensioner, one ambassador of Russia in Moscow, one Swiss translator, one Mr. Plotnitsky, who was either in Kresty, or his head in the bushes, and one Mr. Zakharchenko, who unsuccessfully went to a cafe and now for sure not in the Crosses.

      So, you say, for such an arrangement?
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 July 2020 12: 20 New
        -1
        Not certainly in that way. They were approved and
        President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, President of the French Republic Francois Hollande and Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Angela Merkel confirm full respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine. They are firmly convinced that there is no alternative to an exclusively peaceful settlement. They are fully prepared to take any possible measures both individually and jointly for these purposes.

        In this context, the leaders approve the package of measures to implement the Minsk Agreements, adopted and signed in Minsk on February 12, 2015 by all who also signed the Minsk Protocol of September 5, 2014 and the Minsk Memorandum of September 19, 2014. Leaders will contribute to this process and use their influence on the relevant parties to facilitate the implementation of this set of measures.

        And approved by the UN Security Council.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 17 July 2020 12: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: Avior
          Approved them

          Do you read the text you are quoting? They did not approve (how Öland can approve intra-Ukrainian question?), but approved. With a feeling of deep satisfaction, so to speak.
      2. Selevc
        Selevc 17 July 2020 12: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Octopus
        If I remember everything correctly, the so-called The Minsk agreements were signed by one Kiev pensioner, one ambassador of Russia in Moscow, one Swiss translator, one Mr. Plotnitsky, who was either in Kresty, or his head in the bushes, and one Mr. Zakharchenko, who unsuccessfully went to a cafe and now for sure not in the Crosses.

        Well, the Belovezhskaya Agreements were signed - one Ural drunkard, one Komsomol Bandera member and one Belarusian forester - there are still millions of their fellow citizens this is all ...
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 17 July 2020 12: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Selevc
          Well, the Bialowieza Agreement was signed

          Yes, the analogy is quite true. You can also not comply with them, if you want.
      3. Suslin
        Suslin 18 July 2020 09: 07 New
        0
        Is everything all right with your head? And then your nickname reminds me of something, and mostly negative.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 18 July 2020 09: 10 New
          -2
          Thank you for taking care of my health.

          If you have something to say, you should formulate your thoughts more specifically. Although, of course, I do not impose this opinion on you.
    2. BAI
      BAI 17 July 2020 14: 49 New
      0
      The United States is withdrawing from the Treaties, and then there are some agreements. Not an agreement - an agreement. What is their status? How is our "self-restraint regime"? In life, there is, legally - no. Therefore, the attitude is the same. You cannot get out of (or do) that is not.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 July 2020 15: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Suslin
      After all, this is not a joke, just to take and get out of the signed agreements, under which are written

      and who comes out? !!
      the author of the article?
      so he is NOT anyone
      and the Sumerians did not officially declare this
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 11: 59 New
    +2
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements


    So Ukraine never complied with them .... So, formality, no more ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 July 2020 12: 15 New
    0
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements
    ... She doesn’t go anywhere and doesn’t go out. But the fact that she refuses to observe them and will not observe them, is another conversation. The truth was not going to comply from the very beginning ... By the way, “we don’t need such a Donbass” in the sense of ruined, Russia doesn’t need it either. For a long time, Russia has been saying that it is for the territorial integrity of Ukraine, referring to the Donbass, it makes no sense to invest money in the territory that you don’t recognize as yours .. Alas, the plan to turn Ukraine into a federation, by the hands of Ukrainians, by changing them he didn’t pass the constitution at the international level .. Although it was not badly conceived .. But the import partners did not support ... For those crimes committed by Ukraine, the foreign people expressed their concern in LDNR for the crimes, but they weren’t concerned which they didn’t accept, at least in the form of sanctions ... But for Russia for the Crimea, the partners shipped the full truck to the sanctions ...
  • iouris
    iouris 17 July 2020 13: 18 New
    -1
    There is no exit from this submarine ("America is with us!"). We are waiting for the results of the civil war in the North American states.
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 17 July 2020 13: 50 New
    0
    Did she follow them? ..
    1. iouris
      iouris 18 July 2020 10: 36 New
      0
      "She" was not supposed to "observe." "She" exists for the "other" (and as long as this "other" exists).
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 July 2020 14: 04 New
    -1
    Ah, again hohlosliv.

    Salu already had a kapets, Gorilka, sugar, chernozem and everything had a kapets.
    It turns out that there will be elections - but now they’re in advance too.
  • Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 17 July 2020 14: 16 New
    0
    a buffer zone that nobody needs, for which there will be no point in fighting.

    It makes no sense anymore ... I think the Kremlin understood this as early as 2015, and maybe a little earlier ...
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 17 July 2020 14: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Ukraine withdraws from the Minsk agreements
    can you still write the headings corresponding to reality?
    WHERE, WHEN and WHO from the official representatives of Ukraine declared the OFFICIAL withdrawal from the Minsk agreements? !!!!
    why write like that ?!
    I read the headline and immediately let's wool all the news agencies, but no DUCK

    The Ukrainian authorities everywhere and everywhere broadcast that although they VERY dislike the Minsk agreements and wish to completely redo them, they DO NOT leave them. Although the agreements are arrogant and do not fulfill! But, by the adoption of the law on local elections, IGNORING the Minsk agreements, they ACTUALLY withdraw from the Minsk agreements. Rada law discussed and adopted. After being signed by the President, we can safely talk about the FULL exit of Ukraine from the Minsk agreements.
    So the title is correct.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 17 July 2020 15: 43 New
      0
      Actual and legal outcome are two different things.
  • Shadow041
    Shadow041 17 July 2020 15: 48 New
    +2
    From the very beginning, it was clear to me that Ukraine would not comply with the Minsk agreements, if the officials of the Russian Federation did not understand this, it means that they do not correspond to their position. On the other hand, now, after the Russian Federation completes the SP-2, the hands of the Russian Federation will be untied.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 17 July 2020 15: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Kronos
    Actual and legal outcome are two different things.

    Yes you are right. In the sense that a legal exit is when the Great Ukranians WRITE A DECLARATION OF EXIT. But they will NEVER write it! laughing laughing laughing
  • Taras Makitra
    Taras Makitra 17 July 2020 18: 57 New
    -1
    it’s just that everyone would try to understand - people have been living for more than six years under curfews and daily heard by broads. during this time, a harsh new generation has grown from which to make nails.
  • Clone
    Clone 17 July 2020 19: 40 New
    0
    Nuuu .., I don't want to shout "Hurray", but there is a certain feeling of satisfaction ... It's time to RESOLVE the situation, the prerequisites for this were created by Ukraine itself. Here our propagandists should work on all foreign channels with the most incredible heresy ... The West adores it and believes it. The most important thing is who will be the first to come out with an awesome exaltation towards "opponents".
    In space ... we, unfortunately, do not have the adventurous lasts of the lawyer's early son ... but as it were useful.
  • Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 17 July 2020 20: 05 New
    -2
    In November, a civil war and collapse will begin in the United States, followed by Ukraine. No later than 2024, the Donetsk and Lugansk regions will become part of Russia. And the shelling will end, at the latest, at the beginning of 2021, and maybe at the end of this
  • begemot20091
    begemot20091 18 July 2020 05: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Quote: Nasr
    Will you deny the same?
    March 1, 1991 it was announced the beginning of the next general strike of miners in the Donbass. The miners, in particular, demanded the resignation of the president, the dissolution of the Council of People's Deputies of the USSR and the constitutional execution of a declaration of state sovereignty of Ukraine.
    Miners' speech on Khreshchatyk on April 18, 1991 ...

    In '91, everyone demanded something and everyone wanted to live separately. I wonder about Independence Day of Russia - from what?

    or from whom? I have lived up to this moment, during this and after that, in Ukraine. in 1999-2000 directly under Donetsk. only here I have not heard that they have been feeding Russia all their lives, that Russia owes them, etc. etc. over the 20 years I have lived in different cities of "nezalezhnoy" I have got a strong impression that even my Siberian ancestors (with Polish roots) owe a lot to the bloomers since the time of Geradot.
    1. iouris
      iouris 18 July 2020 10: 40 New
      0
      Yes. Exactly. As long as Russia exists (at least in the form of the Russian Federation), there will always be a resource for the existence of "another Russia" ("Anti-Russia"). Here are some of them. But they understand that they are needed only as long as ...
  • German Titov
    German Titov 18 July 2020 07: 35 New
    +1
    Sadness. We don't even know that the elections are stolen. We don't understand the varieties of feces. And the photo is "test". We have been living for 6 years according to our own laws, with our own legislation. Donetsk is clean and tidy. Wouldn't interfere.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 July 2020 12: 41 New
    0
    a buffer zone that nobody needs, for which there will be no point in fighting.


    what buffer zone are we talking about? It is enough to look at the total length of the Russian-Ukrainian border and at what percentage of it a piece of the border with the LDNR occupies in order to understand that the republics are even stupid to consider as a buffer zone. Here is a hook that prevents Ukraine from joining NATO, yes, because Kiev is officially from Donbass will never refuse.
    There is no point in joining the LDNR alone, it makes sense if only, together with the Donbass, we connect everything from Kharkov to the border with Pridnestrovie (then in a moment Ukraine, even for the United States, becomes garbage from which it needs to be dumped, because Ukraine will have no way out to the sea).
    My opinion is that if, together with Crimea, Russia would have joined Kherson, Nikolaev, and Odessa regions in 2014, then Ukraine would not have existed for a long time. But in the grip of courage, Crimea was barely enough then.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 09: 22 New
      -1
      more delirium did not meet on open spaces IN ...... you a case not Napoleon?
  • vavilon
    vavilon 18 July 2020 23: 48 New
    +2
    before our eyes, there is a total militarization of Ukraine, and we are playing diplomacy, complete inaction on our part, sooner or later, Russia will come back to haunt so much that it will not seem to anyone
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 09: 26 New
      -2
      before our very eyes .. militarization Wu ...... what melitarization ..... ancient T-64. no-show jovas. tumbler boxers. ... what kind of melitarization is this ????? it's rubbish
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 19 July 2020 14: 24 New
        +2
        Oh well,
        In Afghanistan, there was also something like "rubbish" in Syria for how many years we have been sitting, too, it seems nothing serious, but in Ukraine it will be much worse.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 17: 42 New
          0
          in Afghanistan ..... if we are talking about the Soviet period, then precision weapons were supplied there, even very modern. MANPADS of which were both the British Bloupipe, and the Swedish RBS-70 and the not unknown Stinger, but the Chinese clone of Strela-3M played a large share in the losses of aviation, which with regards to current affairs, there is no particular war there, so the poppy plantaries protect each other from friend, for this militarization is not necessary
          about Syria ..... just there the Russian Federation is interested. the right interest, the right one. all the rest.....
          and in U it is worse .... yes no and will not be there for tough .... this is the market for weapons in the civilian environment and only, only the civilian population is militarized. and the armed forces have died without any opportunities for restoration ... just, the shelling of residential areas of the DPR. there is no more forces and will not be in the foreseeable future
          1. vavilon
            vavilon 19 July 2020 18: 04 New
            0
            You write everything correctly, I completely agree with you, but I meant something completely different, in Soviet times, when we entered Afghanistan, no one counted on such a long protracted war, but it continued thanks to the population, which supported mainly spirits and mercenaries who came in an endless stream from Pakistan, and the same scenario will be played out with Ukraine to destabilize Russia
            During this time, while our leaders were playing with tolerance, Western liberals in Ukraine raised several generations that hate everything Russian and who do not even need to pay money to kill, and this is more dangerous than any high-precision weapon.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 18: 25 New
              0
              you don't even need to pay money so that they kill ........ here you are comrade Babylon is wrong, that would require money to kill. and both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and any armed organizations in U do not have enough of them. and if the armed organizations of the territory of Y have grazing in the form of protection of civilian trade and other entertainment establishments or stupidly gopstop officially approved in the form of indulgences on the Maidan. then in the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is poverty which is only capable of making a mess in the residential sector. ..... so, yes, the generation hates not everything Russian but everything Russian. I have no idea how they distinguish one from the other, but the trick has reached a certain physical state called quantum entanglement in quantum physics where theorists themselves do not understand this phenomenon. and on the territory of Y, until you give it in the head - they will not calm down
              ... the result is this ... funds are needed for the slaughter, and if they are not there ... then there is no slaughter ... especially the enterprises that produced military products covered themselves with a copper basin ... as people from the territory of U say "we have remained normal" .... I believe ... stayed. but looking out the window at the passing scum, they are better off in a corner ...
              1. vavilon
                vavilon 19 July 2020 20: 46 New
                0
                Yes ! funds are needed, but the organizers need them, but not cannon fodder, and money is also needed to raise this meat and they have been systematically invested in Ukraine since the 90s and if it is necessary for destabilization, then the bourgeois world will not be stingy for this.
                1. Crimean partisan 1974
                  Crimean partisan 1974 19 July 2020 21: 27 New
                  0
                  Comrad, you are wrong again, cannon fodder needs not only funds, but also indulgence. and indulgence is worth a lot .... another thing is that this U-indulgence has a weak meaning and it is easier for armed gangs to kill civilians, this is perfectly shown by the events of military clashes near Saur-Tomb, there ...... in short, read it yourself. ..the main thing is that the commanders of the natsyk are wounded in the loin part of the body. and so it was with all the boilers, it is interesting that the LPNR commanders were killed during obviously sabotage measures ...
                  on the other hand ... THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ...... the commanders of the LPNR are alive ... do you know the closed coffins are like ... and who is there ..... but I repeat .. this is MY PERSONAL ASSUMPTION
                  1. vavilon
                    vavilon 20 July 2020 15: 48 New
                    0
                    Indulgence can be partial or complete, depending on the situation.
                    And you now do not underestimate the mercenaries in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they are no longer the same as they were in 14-15 years, of course they do not claim to win with us, but they can fray well and Syria may seem like an easy walk to us, where we have a common border.
                    1. Crimean partisan 1974
                      Crimean partisan 1974 20 July 2020 15: 58 New
                      0
                      And the mercenaries in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you now do not underestimate .... and why evaluate them ... their logic is simple tanga are at war. not. fooling around ... that's it. the more there are no mercenaries in the rogue APU. ..they are mainly in gangs of volunteers, national battalions and other scum ..... stamina has never been and never will be ...... in short, the barrel is boiling ..... and when it bursts, the DNR fighters will bleed from the nose it will be necessary to cut off the bast shoes along the Mareupol-Berdyansk-Genichesk line, however, this will be enough for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the gangs to cool down forever
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                      2. vavilon
                        vavilon 20 July 2020 18: 37 New
                        0
                        You don't need to cut off in parts anything, we played with tolerance and that's enough.
                        If the word does not come, then you need to hammer or bother and you need to take everything completely and completely like "a girl for the first time to hurt and enjoy" and then everyone deserves it
  • TSUNAMI 7
    TSUNAMI 7 19 July 2020 02: 00 New
    +2
    Donbas Russia!
  • Semenov
    Semenov 19 July 2020 11: 41 New
    0
    We will complete the construction of the gas pipeline, give Europe nishtyaks to try at a cheap price, and then we will "force" them to comply with the Minsk agreements.
  • Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 19 July 2020 13: 54 New
    +1
    Such a move has long been expected from them. Finally they confessed openly
  • iouris
    iouris 20 July 2020 15: 10 New
    0
    Russia did not come to the war, and Ukraine did not come to the "Minsk Agreements". Pidmanula-pidvela. That's how we live.
  • barin
    barin 20 July 2020 20: 23 New
    13
    Ukraine brings its own end closer