Demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague: no decent reaction followed

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History With the demolition of the monument to Soviet Marshal Ivan Konev in Prague, it is gradually forgotten. Despite the initial formidable reaction from Moscow, no serious action was taken against the Czech Republic.

The Czech Republic has not yet received a decisive answer


Unfortunately, the actions against the monument to Konev in the Czech capital were far from the first and probably not the last example of disrespect and hatred for any manifestations of memory of the Soviet contribution to the liberation of Eastern Europe and the socialist past of the Eastern European states themselves.



The wave of the demolition of monuments began in the 1990s, at different times Soviet monuments were demolished in most of the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe and the Union republics, including the Baltic states, Poland, the Czech Republic and the same Ukraine. Therefore, in itself, the demolition of the monument to Konev in Prague was not surprising - this is just one of the many manifestations of Russophobia and Soviet-phobia in Eastern Europe, which was successfully used in the general context of the information war waged against Russia.

Even Czech President Milos Zeman, whom the Russian press has always liked to portray as one of the few heads of state of Eastern Europe that has a good attitude to Russia, did not help. However, the presidency in the Czech Republic is more representative functions than real power, and the very nature of the system of municipal government in the cities of the country makes local authorities virtually independent in making such decisions from the country's leadership.

It is not the demolition of the monument that is surprising, but the reaction of the Russian side to this: further expressions of indignation on the part of official structures are still not going on, and this makes us think that the story of the monument to Konev will get away with the Czech Republic, as many others have gotten away countries.

By and large, in the current political situation and those political forces that today lead in Russia, there is nothing to respond to such actions. Sending a diplomat, announcing a note of protest, organizing a picket at the Czech embassy - this will not help: the fight against Russophobia in Eastern Europe requires a different, systematic and serious approach, but is the current government capable of it? In any case, an overly peaceful attitude to hostile actions is understood in Eastern Europe as weakness and only stimulates further incidents with Soviet monuments.

On the other hand, if in the same USA they are demolishing monuments to their own American presidents and generals who have made a great contribution to the development of the American power, and in Great Britain they advocate the demolition of the monument to Winston Churchill, then how can one expect from such a public a respectful attitude towards the monuments of Soviet soldiers and generals?

How can you respond to Prague's actions


The only reason why monuments in the same Czech Republic may not be touched is in a tough and disproportionate reaction to such actions, for example, in the introduction of at least temporary economic sanctions against the state in which such actions are committed, even if these sanctions are even partial and affecting only certain segments of bilateral relations.


In Russia, on the contrary, they erect monuments to the soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps

For example, the Czech Republic has long been one of the most popular holiday destinations among Russian tourists oriented towards the "European destination". Even a temporary suspension of the tourist flow could have a negative effect on the Czech budget, but it is another matter that now, due to the pandemic, tourist flows have already been reduced to a minimum and this will not frighten the Czech leadership too much.

In Russia, by the way, there is a fairly impressive number of monuments to the "White Czechs" - servicemen of the Czechoslovak corps, which was notable for not the most plausible deeds on the territory of our country, and one story with part of the gold reserve of the Russian Empire is worth something. Therefore, a disrespectful attitude towards Soviet monuments in the Czech Republic could well have met with a symmetrical response, manifested, at least, in the prohibition of the further installation of monuments to the Czechoslovak corps. Go the whole point in the position: "Is this an internal affair of a foreign state?"
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  1. +9
    16 July 2020 12: 10
    no serious actions were taken against the Czech Republic.
    А зря.
    In Russia, on the contrary, they erect monuments to the soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps
    But this is a mockery of us and a spit from the native government in the face of the people! angry
    1. +17
      16 July 2020 12: 25
      "Demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague: there was no decent reaction!"

      - was there a precedent ?? a worthy response to those or other unfriendly actions of foreign states.
      (banana .. that is, the tangerine and saloed republics do not count!)
      1. +2
        16 July 2020 14: 40
        By the way, in Russia there is a rather impressive number of monuments to the “white whales” - the military personnel of the Czechoslovak Corps, which was noted by no means the most specious deeds in the territory of our country, and one story with which is part of the gold reserve of the Russian Empire is worth it. therefore a disrespectful attitude towards Soviet monuments in the Czech Republic could well have met a symmetrical response, manifested, at least, in the prohibition of the further installation of monuments to the Czechoslovak corps. Or is it all about the position: "Is this an internal affair of a foreign state?"

        I agree with the author. This is far from the INTERNAL business of a foreign state for Russia, since hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops perished for the liberation of Eastern Europe from German Nazism of the Third Reich!
        For example, you need to find a place for these monuments to white whales while in some seedy Russian warehouse, and then you will see what to do with them and to alter what and when to finally let them go.

        I also believe that makes sense - as a JUST response to the demolition of the monument to Konev - remove the monuments to white whales on Russian soil.
        Especially this monument with the image of a composition of 10 Russian heating plants, which depicts and itself symbolizes Kolchak's "Ice campaign" in 1920, when the Czechoslovak corps, well-fed and in hot Russian heating tanks, skidded from Russia to Japan - along with the gold reserve of RI, which they contracted at Kolchak, it was precisely to protect and betray Kolchak in their selfish interests, while the "white" Kolchakites, together with the local population, froze in hunger and cold and died in the hundreds in the snow along the railway, also making their way on foot to the Russian border -
        1. +8
          16 July 2020 14: 52
          Such is the "mysterious" patriotism of our leadership. If you look at what they are doing with the history of the Second World War (some films of which are standing, which are not possible to watch), you cease to be surprised at the reaction to the demolition of our monuments "there".
        2. +4
          16 July 2020 16: 21
          Quote: Tatiana
          I also believe that it makes sense - as a JUST response to demolish the monument to Konev - remove the monuments

          Well, why be like unreasonable.
          You need to hit the patient himself - the wallet.
          Just increase duties on ALL Czech products by 20-30%.
          And after some time the Czech brewers (car makers, chemists, shoe makers ...) will restore the monument themselves and clearly explain to their wretched which monuments to touch Nizhzya!

          And some monuments somewhere far away in Russia are not interesting to anyone. The Czech people will not notice their disappearance, just as they did not notice their appearance.
          But job cuts due to reduced imports will be noticed stopudovo. And if you still carry out explanatory work on why this is happening, then the measure of Prague and the elder will need to increase protection. Only now from compatriots.
          1. -4
            16 July 2020 16: 43
            Quote: Hlavaty
            Well, why be like unreasonable.
            You need to hit the patient himself - the wallet.
            Just increase duties on ALL Czech products by 20-30%. And after some time the Czech brewers (car manufacturers, chemists, shoe makers ...) they will restore the monument themselves and clearly explain to their wretched people which monuments to touch Nizhzyaya!

            As far as I know, our domestic breweries have long been bought by foreigners.
            Whose beer, in this case, for example, are you going to drink at all ?! Or do you suggest that Russians do not drink beer at all?
            In this case, your proposal is, in fact, a double-edged sword.

            And then, how do you swear to do this?

            Evgeny Fedorov: the USA has bought up all of Russia and they are writing laws to us •14 Dec 2017
          2. 0
            16 July 2020 17: 01
            Quote: Hlavaty
            You need to hit the patient himself - the wallet.
            Just increase duties on ALL Czech products by 20-30%.

            Well, as it were, to beat the wallet is right. You just need to figure out whose wallet you end up hitting? As a result, the increase in duties will be paid by ordinary Russians - consumers of Czech products, to whom this increase in duties will be added to the price tag. But to tighten the rules for the import of Czech goods, reducing it to a figure close to zero - this will be a real blow to the purses of manufacturers. Well, along the way, there will be an opportunity for import substitution.
            Quote: Hlavaty
            And some monuments somewhere far away in Russia are not interesting to anyone. Czech people will not notice their disappearance
            And it depends on how to light it and where. If the news passes officially, but through the central channels, and in the light of mirror measures, they will very much notice. Even without any demolition - just a little vandalism, such as dousing with red paint and the corresponding inscriptions, with proper lighting, will be clearly visible.
            1. +3
              16 July 2020 17: 18
              Quote: Egor-dis
              The increase in duties, in the end, will be paid by ordinary Russians - consumers of Czech products,

              Ordinary Russians will choose a more affordable option and, for example, buy something else instead of Skoda (maybe even Russian :)). And difficult Russians, those for whom "correct names" are more important, let them pay for Czech nonsense.
              But in fact, sales of Czech goods will fall. And during the crisis, it will be very necessary for the Czechs. The market place will be taken by others who will already have before their eyes an example of how Russians react to such assaults. You look and others will think 10 times before raising their paws.

              Quote: Tatiana
              And then, how do you swear to do this?

              Import duties, as far as I know, are introduced by the relevant government order.
              And the reason? With an occasion in the modern world, they don’t bother much at all.
              Well, if you really need it, you just need to take the occasion that the Czechs used to demolish the Koneva monument and rephrase it in the right way. As Kolarge wrote there on his facebook page: “He did not have a mask. The rules are the same for everyone. You can go outside only by wearing a mask or other means covering your mouth and nose. ”
              Well, there’s a reason for you - no Czech car has a mask! stop
          3. +2
            22 July 2020 21: 31
            Quote: Hlavaty
            to increase duties on ALL Czech goods by 20-30%. And after some time, Czech brewers (car makers, chemists, shoe makers ...) themselves will restore the monument and clearly explain to their wretched what monuments to touch!

            I completely agree with you, but to clarify - in translation into Russian: it's time to 'choose with the ruble' - they will definitely notice
            1. +1
              22 July 2020 21: 37
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              it's time to 'choose in rubles'

              Yes, you are right in pointing out what any ordinary person can do - just not buy products labeled "Made in Czech Republic". So to say, personally impose sanctions on the Czech Republic.
              1. +2
                22 July 2020 22: 09
                Quote: Hlavaty
                what any ordinary person can do - just don't buy products labeled "Made in" ..

                This is a very universal way to express your attitude: towards an unfriendly country, towards those who fled to so-called ato to actors, singers / cooks who found fault with their country ... This dirt will be washed off the counters / screens, everyone has to try to 'choose with a ruble'
      2. 0
        16 July 2020 18: 37
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        - was there a precedent ?? a worthy response to those or other unfriendly actions of foreign states.

        They tried to mumble something towards the Czechs, and the sanctions ended there. We have the steering very understanding that ... understood and forgave the Turks, then the Ukrainians, followed by the Belgians and Jews. Just God's people, not the steering countries. True, figuratively speaking without male sexual characteristics, they are more like citizens with low social responsibility, but ... a big horde of Putin fans this time will bark friendly -Urya!
    2. -1
      16 July 2020 18: 54
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      But this is a mockery of us and a spit from the native government in the face of the people!

      For the first time or what?
      Again at VO about the demolition of the monument in the Czech Republic, but not a word about the demolition of the monument to Russian soldiers in Sochi.
      1. -3
        16 July 2020 19: 05
        Quote: serpent
        Again at VO about the demolition of the monument in the Czech Republic, but not a word about the demolition of the monument to Russian soldiers in Sochi

        Sarrozh, is this a run over in? From you? belay

        Very unexpectedly, you know ...
        1. -1
          16 July 2020 19: 10
          Roma, but you really don’t like it when they distort your name ... But what - do they distort? Even like that - Roma call you - and then you do not like. Do not do like this!
          PS: This is not a collision, but a statement of fact.
          1. -2
            16 July 2020 19: 12
            So it’s not about the name ... but about hitting a site where you graze ...

            I'm funny, and you? wink
            1. -1
              16 July 2020 19: 17
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              So speech not about a name ...

              А it What for?
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Sarrozh

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              to the site where you graze ...

              You graze here. A whole herd of accounts.
              1. -3
                16 July 2020 19: 21
                Quote: serpent
                You graze here. A whole herd of accounts

                Prove it.

                The administration is aware that this is not so. There is one living acc, this one.

                And the fact that you seem to be everywhere in your head - well, completely different socialists treat cockroaches in your head ... everything is not me.
                1. -1
                  16 July 2020 19: 26
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Prove it.

                  Who and why?
                  1. -3
                    16 July 2020 19: 32
                    Quote: serpent
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Prove it.

                    Who and why?

                    To myself. To yap not look. Bye - very similar Yes
                    1. 0
                      16 July 2020 19: 38
                      To myself to prove not to look like yap? Strange advice, comrade Janus.
    3. +2
      16 July 2020 20: 21
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In Russia, on the contrary, they erect monuments to the soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps
      But this is a mockery of us and a spit from the native government in the face of the people!

      The author highlighted this moment in a very one-sided way. He did not remember that there is an intergovernmental agreement on military graves between our countries. This is very important. Indeed, in addition to the monument to Konev, erected by the Czechs themselves for their own money on a place that is not a military grave, there are many burial places of Soviet soldiers on the territory of the Czech Republic, well-groomed by the Czech government. And this must be borne in mind. In these matters, there is no need to rush, and you can "break the wood". But to "anathematize" the products of Czech production should long ago be. And then after the news about the monument to Konev there is an advertisement for Czech beer - that's where the "spit" is.
  2. +5
    16 July 2020 12: 15
    Demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague: no decent reaction followed

    Alas, it turned out that way. Strange things, they openly spit in the direction of the Russian Federation, and in response - deepest concern.
    1. +12
      16 July 2020 12: 47
      Quote: AlexGa
      Strange things, they openly spit in the direction of the Russian Federation, and in response - the deepest concern.

      And when the spit inside Russia is normal?
      "In Sochi, demolish the" Monument to the feat of Russian soldiers ""
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/14/sochincy-snos-pamyatnika-russkim-soldatam-ekstremizm-i-rusofobiya
      "Abkhazia approved the demolition of a monument to the Russian conquerors of the Caucasus in Sochi"
      https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/15/odobryams
      Let me remind you that fortresses along the coast (including Adler) were set up to prevent robberies, piracy and the slave trade, which flourished there. On the roads going in this area was the supply of our military contingent, which was in Georgia, protecting it from Turks and Persians. Incidentally, Georgia, under the wing of Russia, has requested since the time of Peter.
      1. +4
        16 July 2020 12: 51
        "In Sochi, demolish the" Monument to the feat of Russian soldiers ""
        https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/14/sochincy-snos-pamyatnika-russkim-soldatam-ekstremizm-i-rusofobiya
        "Abkhazia approved the demolition of a monument to the Russian conquerors of the Caucasus in Sochi"
        https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/15/odobryams

        Disgrace with a capital "B"!
        1. -3
          16 July 2020 14: 02
          Quote: AlexGa
          "In Sochi, demolish the" Monument to the feat of Russian soldiers ""
          https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/14/sochincy-snos-pamyatnika-russkim-soldatam-ekstremizm-i-rusofobiya
          "Abkhazia approved the demolition of a monument to the Russian conquerors of the Caucasus in Sochi"
          https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/15/odobryams

          Disgrace with a capital "B"!

          And what, Sochi is part of Abkhazia?
          1. +2
            16 July 2020 14: 04
            Dear, the question is not for me.
          2. +1
            16 July 2020 17: 07
            Quote: Pilat2009
            And what, Sochi is part of Abkhazia?

            Abkhazians consider themselves to be a kindred people of the Ubykhs, Shapsugs, etc., who in Sochi allegedly innocently suffered.
            In general, who would blather (I’m talking about Abkhazians): in Abkhazia, at the moment, our troops are doing the same thing as in the old days in Sochi, protecting civilians.
      2. +1
        16 July 2020 17: 06
        It’s just an amendment to the Constitution on the protection of historical memory that worked, you don’t understand anything.
      3. +1
        16 July 2020 20: 30
        Quote: Bad_gr
        And when the spit inside Russia is normal?
        "In Sochi, demolish the" Monument to the feat of Russian soldiers ""
        https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/07/14/sochincy-snos-pamyatnika-russkim-soldatam-ekstremizm-i-rusofobiya
        "Abkhazia approved the demolition of a monument to the Russian conquerors of the Caucasus in Sochi"
        https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/15/odobryams

        In my opinion, the issues of perpetuating any events and people should be coordinated by a certain expert body, which should have analyzed the assessment of this event or act of the person being immortalized, as well as the public resonance from this, and make an appropriate conclusion about the possibility of erecting a monument or giving the object whose something name. By the way, the idea of ​​the enemies to create "Institutes of National History" is quite worthy of consideration in our country.
        1. +1
          16 July 2020 20: 48
          Quote: Hagen
          In my opinion, the issues of perpetuating any events and people should be agreed upon by some expert body,

          From the bookmark of the fortress in that place is the story of Adler. The monument to this event is a curbstone with a map of the fortress. This is the history of Sochi.

          https://zavtra.ru/blogs/ukreplenie_svyatogo_duha
          1. +1
            16 July 2020 20: 58
            Quote: Bad_gr
            From the bookmark of the fortress in that place is the story of Adler

            A positive conclusion would give greater legitimacy to the decision and the validity of its defense.
  3. +6
    16 July 2020 12: 16
    Revenge is a dish served cold.
    Indeed, I would like a tougher reaction from our side.
    1. +3
      16 July 2020 12: 32
      "beer now" defeated blood in 1945.

      red blood .... in three on flowers and grass ...
    2. +4
      16 July 2020 13: 39
      Although I despise our pravoseki and Natsik, but I think already the next day all the monuments to the Czechs in the country would be demolished and the police, as if not in the know who did it.
      1. +1
        17 July 2020 09: 39
        And tomorrow they will demolish all the graves of Soviet soldiers, of which there are obviously more than Czechs in our country. AND? What's next? ????
  4. +4
    16 July 2020 12: 20
    And Stalin's burial immediately behind the mausoleum? So we are on the victory parade ... what is there to divide the bourgeoisie ...
  5. HAM
    +11
    16 July 2020 12: 21
    But our TV zadolbalo advertisement of Czech kings, brewing in the intervals between wars, BEER ....
    1. +1
      17 July 2020 09: 40
      Quote: HAM
      But our TV zadolbalo advertisement of Czech kings, brewing in the intervals between wars, BEER ....

      Yes, we don’t have Czech beer, no ... Either the owners are not Czech, or they are brewed in our Klin ...
  6. +12
    16 July 2020 12: 25
    Was there at least once in modern Russian history when Russia responded to similar attacks?
    1. Heroization of Nazism
    2. Demolition of monuments
    3. Criminal prosecution of participants in the Second World War
    4. Rewriting the history of the Second World War
  7. +6
    16 July 2020 12: 28
    Quote: Lebed
    Revenge is a dish served cold.


    Stalin’s words now have no one in power who have to repeat in real life. They will confine themselves to a note or indignation of our Foreign Ministry.
  8. +4
    16 July 2020 12: 36
    While in Russia there are monuments to white whales ... Prague can afford a lot ...
    1. -1
      16 July 2020 12: 54
      Quote: apro
      Prague can afford a lot ...

      And in response to the demolition of the monument to Konev, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to declare that in Russia all the monuments to white whales will be demolished, weak? And fit the bulldozer!
      1. +11
        16 July 2020 13: 00
        For what Marshal Konev and white whispers fought ... you catch the difference. The White Government is much closer to the Russian government than Marshal Konev ....
      2. 0
        16 July 2020 13: 32
        They must declare ... there in the west, without statements, on a quiet night, the monuments disappear and everything is in order, and you all expect some statements from someone, someone has to do something, but what, in deeds not capable of?
        1. +2
          16 July 2020 13: 38
          Quote: Andrey Grad
          not capable of?

          The nearest monument is 5 thousand kilometers from me and there is no bulldozer. And why then a service whose holy duty is to protect the honor and dignity of the country?
      3. 0
        16 July 2020 14: 56
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: apro
        Prague can afford a lot ...

        And in response to the demolition of the monument to Konev, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to declare that in Russia all the monuments to white whales will be demolished, weak? And fit the bulldozer!
        Monuments to Belochekhs ---- achievements of post-Soviet Russia. The reformers-privatizers built relations on other principles already. Do not think to abandon them.
  9. +8
    16 July 2020 12: 49
    For example, the Czech Republic has long been one of the most popular holiday destinations among Russian tourists oriented to the “European destination”. Even a temporary suspension of the tourist flow could negatively affect the Czech budget, it’s another matter that now, due to the pandemic, tourist flows have been minimized and the Czech leadership will not frighten them

    Isn't it about the citizens of the Russian Federation themselves? Who are ready to rush to rest even in the Czech Republic, even in Turkey, despite the demolished monuments and downed planes. As I was told by one woman working with children and raising them in her understanding. After the Turks shot down a Russian plane: "- Do I now not go to Turkey on vacation because of this, or what ?!" So it goes... request
    1. -1
      16 July 2020 13: 15
      Is she not right? Politics is one thing, the life of ordinary people is different.
      1. +1
        16 July 2020 13: 18
        Quote: Kronos
        Is she not right?

        Well, you have opened your face, for the umpteenth time .. laughing
        1. +3
          16 July 2020 14: 35
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Well, you opened your face

          The point is not in his face, but in the fact that today we have an official ideology - frantic consumerism. This is the official policy of the authorities.
          And what do you want from competent consumers, patriotism? No, there will be no viburnum from mountain ash.
          1. +1
            16 July 2020 17: 38
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            It's not his face

            His face is the same.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            that we have an official ideology today - frantic consumerism. This is the official policy of the authorities.

            This is the official ideology of the whole world. But if your face is not like all consumers, then it may not be so bad. There are billions of different "faces", no one can forbid them to be part of themselves, and not part of the ideology of consumption, especially in its most vile manifestations? AND? hi
            1. +1
              17 July 2020 09: 37
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Huh?

              People are arranged so that they are forced to adapt to the mood of the whole society. If you manage to stay out of the herd, then it’s far from the fact that your children will also be able to. Society rules.
              Watch the movie Captain Fantastic. There is just about the problem of the correct upbringing of children in modern society.
    2. +7
      16 July 2020 13: 34
      Good day. Well, let's not touch two opposites now: people who sent all sorts of Europe and Turkey to hell (and they did it right), and people from the example you gave. Here are the undecided what such a person should do - he will see how his state acts:
      - The IOC spat in the direction of Russia, and the state condones the performance of athletes under the flag of the IOC,
      - Turkey knocks down our plane, and they get contracts and discounts for it,
      - In PACE and CE we are being poured with mud, and we are sending contributions and officials there at the expense of the budget.
      An undecided citizen will look at such tricks and say: "Why am I worse," and will take a ticket for a Turkey-Czech Republic cruise.
  10. +11
    16 July 2020 12: 52
    what reaction can be from people who drape Lenin at the parade? who remove zuleikha and other nonsense? who hate everything soviet?
  11. +5
    16 July 2020 12: 55
    Shit on Russia and they will, and you will continue to endure ...
  12. +4
    16 July 2020 12: 55
    And what can our state do in general, what kind of worthy reaction can we talk about, if throughout the whole recent history of Russia they have tried to humiliate or insult us only now and then and do it with such a look as if it was necessary. And all this is because in this world when you are hit, you don’t need to turn your cheeks, but answer in such a way that you don’t have to do this in your thoughts.
  13. +1
    16 July 2020 13: 04
    When a society does not know how, does not want to, consolidate and is not ready to give a decent response to the manifestation of any negative actions in relation to its values ​​... the higher ones will not do anything, this is an axiom.
    1. +2
      16 July 2020 13: 24
      To do this, there must be values ​​and a national idea.
      1. +6
        16 July 2020 13: 54
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        To do this, there must be values ​​and a national idea.

        As you know, the absence of ideology is declared. But in fact, the ideology of victorious capitalism. She also taunts the Soviet ideology in various ways.
        1. +6
          16 July 2020 14: 04
          Well, we in Belarus seem to have no such mockery of the Soviets, although many young people like the word Scoop and other funny negative statements addressed to them (I'm 25). And so, yes, we and you have a culture of consumerism, engagement and the benefits of laughing. It will be interesting to see how this ends for both countries. And so the authorities benefit from the lack of ideology, you can ignore such cases and pretend that nothing happened.
          1. +3
            16 July 2020 14: 17
            Quote: Darkesstcat
            Well, we in Belarus seem to have no such mockery of the Soviets, although many young people like the word Scoop and other funny negative remarks addressed to them (I'm 25). ..... b.

            I am 35. I remember the USSR, this is childhood. And I remember the 90s well, although not all p) (I did, of course.
            good It’s good that you (no) have no ridicule. So for you and November 7th it is November 7th. There will be no change and no attempt to replace it with another meaning. And Lukashenko did not express anything inert about the USSR and about socialism for all these 30 years.
            1. +1
              16 July 2020 14: 40
              With holidays and dates I'm in trouble. I just don't remember, even my parents' birthday fade from my memory. “Lukashenka didn’t say anything inert about the USSR,” he seems to be respected even by the communists, and in the cities there are monuments to Lenin. And so if you look from my bell tower, then the elections were at the wrong time, a pandemic that would have dropped us into such an economic bottom if quarantine had been carried out (although in fact it was both human and partial factory). It would be easier to transfer power to the heir to the successor, since it does not matter who will replace the non-pro-government, he will have to return all the money that he will be given for PR. And I doubt that it is not tenfold. Well my opinion.
              1. +1
                16 July 2020 15: 14
                ..... there are monuments to Lenin ....
                On Lenin Street, in St. Petersburg, we removed a small bust of Lenin in the park. At the same time, Smolny and Finland remained. The truth is that the monument to Finland was damaged ---- the edge of the coat ..... There are busts of Lenin, images ....
                And what disturbs me the most is that it was renamed Oleg Koshevoy Street. They called Vvedenskaya. As I later read, there was such a teacher nearby ...... it is not clear ....
                From pure malice, liberals in the 90s negative
                1. +1
                  16 July 2020 15: 27
                  Well, if Lukashenko did not win his first election, we would probably live in similar conditions to you (everything that can be destroyed is destroyed), etc. True, I think that it is less rich. And if he managed to crank up his idea with the union state to the end, then he would simply be killed in the Russian Federation. By the way, why was it renamed in the Russian Federation?
                  1. 0
                    16 July 2020 15: 35
                    About the time of the late USSR and the 90s, of course, you can imagine, but it’s difficult for me, the most dimly lit time, probably .... But what is even more difficult in the republics
                    1. 0
                      16 July 2020 16: 03
                      Well, guessing what could be and wanting to change the past is a bad thing. We have become what we are thanks to the past, no matter bad or good. And so most of all I prefer the Stalinist period of the USSR, the rest seem to me pernicious.
      2. +1
        16 July 2020 14: 17
        To do this, everything must be TOGETHER.
        Ideas come and go, but the attitude towards the people who defended Our country will remain unchanged as long as we are as a single people.
    2. +5
      16 July 2020 13: 49
      Quote: rocket757
      When a society does not know how, does not want to, consolidate and is not ready to give a decent response to the manifestation of any negative actions in relation to its values ​​... the higher ones will not do anything, this is an axiom.

      Greetings, Victor! hi Yes, they did not specifically show. Even on the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory. It seems to me that is why on such an anniversary they made such vileness to our country.
      1. +1
        16 July 2020 14: 30
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Honestly, you don’t have to expect anything good from the former allies ... until WE ARE our civilian deity will be different! Stronger, more united. Only then will the state express our decision. Then, all sorts of different start to be afraid to make frank provocations.
        Well, they decided that they don’t need the monument ... show respect and pass it on to those to whom it is dear!
        Everything is simple. We made a notch in our memory, but we will not put a final cross on relations with an unfriendly state.
        And now, no memory, in general, no crosses, no nicks .... no one, by and large, to punish all provocateurs.
        WE ARE GUILTY!
        1. +1
          16 July 2020 14: 46
          Interestingly, what do you see as a symbol for the cohesion of the people in modern Russia? There used to be a party and faith in communism. Before this tsarism and religion, what now?
          1. +1
            16 July 2020 14: 59
            Ideology is such a thing ... different, it may turn out to be a dummy, an instrument in the hands of different ko / z / catch, or it can develop naturally due to the people's desire for a normal, dignified life.
            Then then it is no longer an instrument, but the very essence of society.
            EQUALITY, BROTHERHOOD, DECENT WORK, DECENT LIFE!
            Enough, or something else to add?
            1. 0
              16 July 2020 15: 07
              "can develop naturally due to the people's desire for a normal, decent life"
              I doubt that it can turn out that way, usually people who have reached the power lead to a change in it for themselves, not even consciously.
              "Then it is no longer an instrument, but the very essence of society." - Well, this is more likely in my understanding with the genocide of dissidents within society for several generations. Then it will be able to form into a rigid structure within society, to develop a mentality.
              EQUALITY, BROTHERHOOD, DECENT WORK, DECENT LIFE! - it sounds good, you just need to destroy all the lazy (like me a little) and then maybe something will work out.
              1. +1
                16 July 2020 15: 18
                An idea does not have to be realizable.
                Let it hover on the air, but we'll see.
                1. +1
                  16 July 2020 16: 05
                  This will not work, it should be thought out and achievable in the future, preferably not very far. Otherwise, people will get enough of it and abandon it.
                  1. +1
                    16 July 2020 16: 28
                    This is not an idea, but an action plan. A program by which one can go the development of events.
                    1. +1
                      16 July 2020 16: 34
                      It's just that an idea in itself is worthless, especially if there is nothing behind it. I’m promoting the idea that we are descendants of Reptiloids / Atlantes / Hyperboreans, it’s a pity.
                      1. 0
                        16 July 2020 22: 28
                        Any, not even justified, ephemeral idea, finds its admirers.
                        But miserable ones are realized from them.
                        Just some, seemingly unrealizable ideas, live for centuries, almost independent of anyone's life.
                        It also happens.
                        Human society is complex / primitive. We choose the definition to your taste.
        2. 0
          16 July 2020 14: 49
          Here it is interesting, just the other day, July 14.07th was the next anniversary of the Bastille. What was the beginning of the Great French Revolution .. In France, annual celebrations, celebrations. Somehow, no one regrets the overthrow of absolutism and executions. The decision of the Revolutionary Tribunal is not condemned.
          1. +1
            16 July 2020 15: 04
            As current events show, any historical events previously accepted as correct can be revised! It all depends on the state of society at a given time!
            This is not the first time we have been in a turbulent state ... or rather, since 1917.
            There is nothing good about it, but we are already used to it, we do not notice how piece by piece we destroy the great heritage left to us by our ancestors.
            1. +1
              16 July 2020 15: 27
              Victor, the French have not revised or condemned, more than 200 years have passed. And Napoleon is not condemned in any way. Even more. Any president wants to be like this one way or another ...
          2. -2
            16 July 2020 15: 42
            This is a common misconception.
            The holiday in France is called the Feast of the Federation and the Unity of the Nation
            The date of the seizure of the Bastille is not formally tied to it for the very reason you mentioned

            https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/День_взятия_Бастилии
            hi
            1. +1
              16 July 2020 15: 57
              In the speech of every president during the inauguration, one way or another, there is no condemnation and the past ...
              1. +1
                16 July 2020 16: 05
                These are our new leaders. Often they start by trampling the previous ones into the mud.
                This, of course, is not uncommon in the world, but still it's bad.
                1. +1
                  16 July 2020 16: 10
                  When you come to power, you either trample the previous one into the mud or, on the contrary, praise it. In order to increase its popularity among the people.
                2. +1
                  16 July 2020 16: 30
                  Quote: rocket757
                  These are our new leaders. Often they start by trampling the previous ........
                  how long will they be remembered for themselves. And How. Khrushchev and Gorbachev, for example.
                  1. +1
                    16 July 2020 16: 35
                    They will, now they remember.)
                  2. +1
                    16 July 2020 22: 18
                    I don’t want to remember about those .... but so hiccups were sick of it or a burp reminder that I had to use absolutely indecent.
                    1. +1
                      16 July 2020 23: 26
                      Actually, I forgot that sometimes there are good words on Khrushchev on TV. Some hints that everything began to improve .....
                      1. 0
                        16 July 2020 23: 55
                        Different opinions ... under Khrushchev, the rocket science program in the USSR developed seriously. You can add something else to his advantage ...
                        Only scales, on the thickets of which ALL FACTS will be laid, can make it possible to evaluate the activity of this figure.
                      2. +2
                        17 July 2020 00: 26
                        Documents on the development of rocket science were signed during the lifetime of Stalin.
                        Mass construction of housing. ((As well as the creation of infrastructure facilities) The first attempts were still in 20-30goda.And then.
                      3. 0
                        17 July 2020 00: 48
                        Plans, plans ... the first person had the opportunity to either INCLUDE them or BURY them!
                      4. +2
                        17 July 2020 00: 53
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Plans, plans ... the first person had the opportunity to either INCLUDE them or BURY them!

                        Well yes! Nature education program, relations with China, highway construction ... a lot of things were canceled then. Moreover, both the costs and the labor of Soviet people were equated to 0
                      5. +1
                        17 July 2020 09: 26
                        All is not the scales of history! And for us, stop groaning, gasping, for what happened. It is necessary to build a new one, that which will be!
                      6. +1
                        17 July 2020 09: 43
                        good
                        Quote: rocket757
                        All is not the scales of history! And for us, stop groaning, gasping, for what happened. It is necessary to build a new one, that which will be!

                        I'm leaving now.
                      7. +1
                        17 July 2020 09: 51
                        Build new good good luck.
  14. +10
    16 July 2020 13: 23
    And what has happened in our country for 30 years, when everyone and sundry were wiping their feet on us and spat on our faces? And how should the world treat a country and a people that betrayed their ideals, all their friends and allies, without any reason and aggression, who destroyed their mighty power with their own hands, who gave all the conquests of their great ancestors and peoples to the colonial administration of an overseas power, looting and humiliation. T.ch. they treat us and act with us exactly as we ourselves allowed it, because to a greater extent, they only repeat what we ourselves say and do here. We ourselves began to demolish the monuments, bashfully block the Mausoleum, rewrite history, making poor people of our people, incapable of anything, under the control of bloody dictators, so why be surprised.
  15. +5
    16 July 2020 13: 39
    They dealt with the constitution. There is no time for an answer. Yes, and on Konev the authorities spit out: the hero of a bygone era.
    Yes, and tolerance is now in fashion. We must still apologize to blacks, just in case .. (sarcasm)
  16. +2
    16 July 2020 13: 48
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: Andrey Grad
    not capable of?

    The nearest monument is 5 thousand kilometers from me and there is no bulldozer. And why then a service whose holy duty is to protect the honor and dignity of the country?

    Officials themselves will not do anything. Hoping for them is stupid. Themselves, only yourself.
  17. +7
    16 July 2020 14: 02
    In the form of an adequate answer, along the good street where the Czech Embassy is located, with the name of Julius Fucik, it would be necessary to rename it to Gustav Husak Street. And on one of the houses on its opposite side from the embassy, ​​hang a large and beautiful bronze plaque with the profile of G. Husak and a short accompanying text stating that Gustav Husak was an outstanding figure in the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia, who took office immediately after a fair and fully supported by the people suppression of the anti-Soviet putsch in 1968.
    And a week later, on the same side of Gustav Gusak Street, directly opposite the embassy entrance, a nevsky neat granite pedestal would appear, on which would be a restored and freshly painted T-34 tank with a sign explaining to passersby that this legendary tank is an exact copy of those combat vehicles, which, as part of the 2nd Ukrainian front, under the command of Marshal Konev, stormed the capital of Czechoslovakia, the city of Prague on May 6-11, 1945.
    And 23 years later, they participated in the suppression of the bloody anti-people’s coup, organized by the traitors of the Czechoslovak people Dubcek and Chernik.
    And that this monument was erected here at the great request of Muscovites as a sign of friendship between the Czech Republic and Russia for eternal times.
    It would be nice to rename the Prague metro station. To prohibit all deputies and officials of Prague from visiting the territory of the Russian Federation. Initiate criminal proceedings under vandalism.

    But we, as often happens, once again swallowed everything ...
    1. 0
      17 July 2020 09: 51
      Quote: Mishka78
      Initiate criminal proceedings under vandalism.

      So long ago, the case was instituted ...
    2. +1
      17 July 2020 21: 51
      +++ thanks! gladly read your comment ...
      Quote: Mishka78
      To prohibit all deputies and officials of Prague from visiting the territory of the Russian Federation.
      initiate criminal proceedings against them ...
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  19. +6
    16 July 2020 14: 17
    It's simple - we don't answer adequately because we can't answer. All these demolitions of monuments, nasty things along Nord Stream-2 and constant teachings / bases near our borders, as well as rewriting the history of BB2 - all these are the consequences not of the fall of our "abstract" authority, but of the fall of our external economic power and hence influence. While gas / oil cost how much, our opinion was a little more interested, now it is a little less interesting. No matter how many weapons and nuclear missiles we have in our storehouses, Europe understands that we do not use all of this, and therefore is not afraid of this, calmly watching our elites buy houses and villas in Europe, in the Czech Republic, by the way.
    And they will buy, just like they bought, even if all the monuments to the liberators are torn down. And if you do not suddenly buy it, it will not be either cold or hot either - there is a Schengen zone near Chekhov and believe me, there are enough lovers of Czech beer or wandering around Prague in Europe, and they also spend it decently.
    The Czech Republic is not the United Kingdom - it will easily interrupt without inflated real estate.

    How can we answer the Chekham? And NOTHING))) This is a piece of humor - this is the same analogue with Rogozin's "trampoline" - the apogee of real powerlessness arising from real, long-term idleness and inability of the people to correct the dead-end foreign, domestic and economic policy. Czechs are neither cold nor hot from any admissions to our domestic market - they will also easily drive their goods through Kazakhstan / Belarus, and solvent people will also buy it. For the Czechs, the whole more or less coordinated policy of the Eurozone - the analogue of which in the CIS we have long lost, even if there was a boy)

    What do we do with this? To accept that our post-Soviet influence in Europe fell below the plinth and will fall until it goes to 0. Europe is booming - we are stagnating. And waving claws about this is, among other things, hypocrisy. Because at the front of domestic politics, with much greater ease we missed the social orientation of our state, solid pieces of our history, many social guarantees, powerful enterprises, real political pluralism - we just stood and watched how all this becomes a mess. Over the years. And now they decided to twitch because of the monument. Not guys, it doesn’t happen that the strong act like the weak - we are weak. You have to admit it, feel it every time. And if we don’t like it, it's time to wake up and finish eating cheers-noodles.
    1. +1
      18 July 2020 08: 11
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      How can we answer the Chekham? AND NOTHING)))

      Russian imports from the Czech Republic for 9 months of 2019 amounted to USD 2.
      This is your NOTHING? Especially during a crisis.

      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      What do we do about it? Accept the fact that our post-Soviet influence in Europe has fallen below the baseboard and will continue to decline until it goes to zero.

      And who and where do you think the influence comes from? Maybe the influence appears just among those who do not humble themselves? A fighter begins to be respected when he gets up after receiving a blow and continues the fight, and does not "resign" to the flop that has flown in.
      The Bolsheviks were respected when they won the Civil War and kicked out all foreign invaders from their territory (and these were the leading powers - the USA, Britain, France, Germany, Japan), when they built an industrial power from the ruins. And when they won the Great Patriotic War, they simply began to be afraid. And even during the time of the pounding Khrushchev, when the Cuban missile crisis happened, the whole world shrugged off just the thought that the USSR could launch missiles throughout NATO.

      The strong and tough have always been respected in politics. And the Russian Federation is "soft", and therefore all and sundry strive to wipe it. Any Prague elders increase their importance by openly mocking the Russian Federation, and they get away with everything.
      Maybe that's why the West still considers Russia a "regional power"?
      1. -1
        18 July 2020 13: 24
        As for imports from the Czech Republic - a joke of humor is that the Czech Republic buys our goods for a larger amount than we do Czechs. We supply chemical products there. industry, wood, metals of all kinds and some kind of products of heavy industry (probably these are large machines, in which we are still competent)
        If we kick our hoof and decide to play with the Czechs with sanctions - given the range of our supplies to them - they will simply interrupt and buy it in Africa (metals) and Latin America or BV (oil products / fertilizers), and we, in turn, will be missing ~ 5+ billion in year.
        In turn, in deliveries from the Czech Republic for us about 70% of equipment / machines / machines, about 11% of chemical products (including pharmacological) - and if we do not buy something of this in the Czech Republic, it is quite possible that we no one will sell it, given the "difficult relationship" arising from the sale of high-tech. equipment and lines to us from USA / France / Japan / South Korea.

        Thus, we cannot afford rabid populism in this area, because we will be left without one of the last sources of access to high-tech products and a supplier with positive purchasing dynamics.

        Now about respect - forget all these clear-cut boyish perceptions of world politics, so abundantly imposed by our media and hurray-patriotic stuffing. For decades, we were such a staunch tin soldier and hammered our horns back and forth every time we didn't like something, and knocked with our fists and supplied 100500 tanks - as a result, this led to the fact that the main transport, economic and resource supply chains were laid OUT our country and without its participation. Aviation flies bypassing the Russian Federation. Cargoes from Asia to Europe go bypassing the Russian Federation. When people gather and decide questions on the global economy, a preliminary agenda is drawn up without the Russian Federation (we will most likely stand there with a candle, but with our own 3% of the world economy ...). The ruble is not quoted as a world currency, we are merging in a short and stupid fight with OPEC, while collapsing prices for raw materials that we ourselves trade ---> the list can be continued for a long time, but the bottom line is that we are the "elusive Joe" of international politics, a huge country, without which a substantial share of the world economy and the economy is doing on izi.
        Why respect us? For the fact that on each occasion, a hundred times a day, we remember our nuclear weapons? For the fact that in 20 years China surpassed us in average wages?
        Do you think we will really be "respected" for our ability to grind everyone to powder, but not be able to produce our own headache pills or car tires ?!
  20. +4
    16 July 2020 14: 21
    One cannot expect a tough answer from those that cannot protect their own (i.e., state) property - I am talking about the buildings of the Russian consulates in the USA.
    With those who understand only power, to conduct some kind of slurred negotiations is silly at least.
  21. +5
    16 July 2020 14: 24
    By the way, in Russia there is a rather impressive number of monuments to the “white whales” - the military personnel of the Czechoslovak Corps, who was noted by no means the most specious deeds on the territory of our country
    ... Hands, away from the monuments to the whites! laughing Firstly, they fought with the bloody Bolsheviks, supporting the Kolchak government, and such figures in Russia are now in trend, secondly, these monuments are erected by agreement between the defense ministries of the two countries of the Defense Ministry of Russia and the Czech Republic, as they say, gave the floor to keep .... laughing Yes, and the Czech explanation is quite satisfactory to Russia, they say the monument was erected by the red municipality, but the municipality is of a different color, you think that it looks like brown, it’s demolishing .. It’s by law, and in Russia, people are used to respecting the law .. laughing
  22. +2
    16 July 2020 14: 24
    Advertising of Czech beer and Skoda on Russian TV seems to have even intensified after the events described. Why, after all paid! What the "partners" can think if we give the impudent sousal! Unfortunately, the ostrich-masochistic position was chosen by our government, and not only in this case.
  23. +3
    16 July 2020 14: 27
    Demolition of the monument to Marshal Konev in Prague: no decent reaction followed
    Yes, this cannot be, Zakharova’s hysteria and TopWar readers are a traditional and strong answer. laughing
  24. +1
    16 July 2020 14: 28
    Well, at least advertising of Czech beer can be removed?
    1. 0
      17 July 2020 09: 54
      It is not Czech a long time ago and has no relation to the Czech Republic
  25. +2
    16 July 2020 14: 34
    "The Czech Republic has not yet received a decisive answer" - how is that? Well, the Turks were forbidden to import tomatoes into Russia and the Russians had to fly through Minsk on vacation to Turkey, but what will the Czechs do? Well, the truth can be expressed deep concern.
  26. +1
    16 July 2020 14: 53
    There is no one in the Russian leadership to give a decent answer, unfortunately. Chopped and the president and government.
  27. +2
    16 July 2020 15: 01
    Was Konev a member of United Russia? A monument to the founder of United Russia, General Vlasov, was erected there.
  28. +1
    16 July 2020 15: 27
    There should be only one reaction - to collect money (at least for a ruble) and erect a new monument in Moscow. On this monument, indicate that Marshal Konev did not "liberate" Prague, but "took" it, putting the final point in the defeat of the Hitlerite European Union.
  29. 0
    16 July 2020 15: 28
    In this case, our government is behaving like a wise old chain dog. I chattered for order without straining too much, and back to the warm booth - the bowl of soup worked. After all, the chain will not give any more, why rage in vain? And the owner won't give two bowls of soup. Neither the Czechs with their monuments, nor Konev will in any way affect the earning of the dough and cutting the budget, So ... we don't expect much
  30. 0
    16 July 2020 15: 40
    It is wrong to demand from your country some tough measures in relation to another country because of the monuments.
    If the Czechs have decided to live like pigs, there is nothing we can do. You need to take care of yourself, including using this informational occasion. In the coming years, the procedure for extending the "friendship" agreement with the Czech Republic is to be expected. A decisive response to all these unfriendly actions would be to revise the provisions of this treaty. Namely, a slanderous article about the "criminal" interference of the USSR in the affairs of Czechoslovakia.
    1. +2
      17 July 2020 00: 15
      Quote: codetalker
      It is wrong to demand from your country some tough measures in relation to another country because of the monuments.

      Exactly. It is enough to impose sanctions on products under the brand of the manufacturer of Austro-Hungarian and Hitler's weapons "Skoda". Let them pay for the murders of our people during WWI and WWII.
  31. 0
    23 July 2020 12: 03
    And, most likely, it will not. One gets the impression that the prevailing opinion is that "what to take from them unreasonable?" Aha! It's like a fire of barbecue in the courtyards of apartment buildings, drinking alcoholic beverages in public places, scuffle or punching at mass events: "what to take from them unreasonable?" And all this rudeness in relation to Russian citizens, now elevated to an international rank, ends with the fact that it will be possible not to let Russian tourists abroad under far-fetched pretexts without issuing a visa, evict from hotels, call names and in every possible way infringe on their rights and freedoms in foreign countries. trips, smashing expensive digital equipment for our journalists, evicting diplomats, generally treating tourists or workers and employees from Russia as "second / third class" people, etc. One can only convey the half-forgotten words once addressed to the leaders of the CPSU: "Thank you, dear comrades, for the paternal care of us!"

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