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In Ukraine, the term for the planned abandonment of the Su-25, Su-27 and MiG-29 aircraft was announced

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In Ukraine, the modernization of the country's air force is being discussed. During the meeting of the subcommittee of the defense industry of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Defense, plans for this kind of modernization were announced.


In particular, it is indicated that by 2035 the Ukrainian Air Force should be replenished with 100 new combat aircraft so that the combat effectiveness of Ukraine in the air is maintained at an acceptable level.

The list of hundreds of aircraft should include fighters, bombers, attack aircraft and reconnaissance aircraft aviationwith which Kiev plans to replace the Soviet and post-Soviet assembly aircraft in service.

The seminar with the participation of the people's deputies of the said subcommittee of the Rada was held by the Central Scientific Research Institute of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. During the seminar, it was noted that Ukraine needs to "switch to NATO standards" in aviation and abandon the Su-25, Su-27 and MiG-29 within a 15-year period. About the price that Ukrainian taxpayers will have to pay for switching to "NATO standards" in aviation with retraining of personnel, changing the fleet, weapons system, airport infrastructure and other things, were not reported at the seminar.

However, subsequently, materials appeared in the Ukrainian media that indicated that, according to conservative estimates, rearmament would cost $ 8,6 billion. However, this amount takes into account expenses exclusively for the purchase of military aircraft from Western countries. Approximately twice as much will have to be paid for related activities, including the reorganization of the training system for Ukrainian military pilots.

As considered suppliers of aircraft for the Ukrainian Air Force - the United States and France.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 July 2020 11: 43
    14
    Well, damn it, you can’t forbid it. laughing And why not bake on the fly, in the head ukroreihtsev! wassat
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 16 July 2020 11: 58
      11
      Quote: aszzz888
      Well, damn it, you can’t forbid

      And who said that these are their dreams and tasks that they set for themselves?
      Nobody was going to ask them No.
    2. Stalllker
      Stalllker 16 July 2020 13: 06
      +5
      Well, what are your dreams ?! Just to refuse from SU and MiG is like a monument to Lenin to demolish. So this is probably not modernization, but the collapse of the Ukrainian Air Force
    3. free_flier
      free_flier 16 July 2020 22: 54
      +1
      The NATO will have to put trash somewhere, and then they will squeeze out the dough, and then for that irrevocable dough, as usual, land, enterprises, will not be enough - and the kidneys / spleen will fit.
  2. Oleg kubanoid
    Oleg kubanoid 16 July 2020 11: 47
    +1
    after 15 years, if you buy from the west, it’s only f-35 and they are very expensive .. and Ukraine just won’t pull them .. and the States will not sell them .. realizing that the equipment can get to us ..
    1. dgonni
      dgonni 16 July 2020 11: 56
      11 th
      The same thing was said for the javelins. The hen is pecking the grain. So it's quite a possible option!
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 16 July 2020 12: 05
        -9
        Ukrainian media published materials indicating that, according to conservative estimates, rearmament will cost $ 8,6 billion .......

        And the money can be found, sued from Gazprom and the oil companies of the Russian Federation, they are paid to all comers.
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 16 July 2020 12: 11
        +2
        Which variant? It is necessary to buy 6-7 aircraft per year in order to fulfill such a promise. Where will they take a billion annually?
    2. PN
      PN 16 July 2020 11: 56
      10
      What kind of F is it? The scrap written off from all over Europe will be bought up and the money for overhaul repairs will be dumped.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 16 July 2020 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: PN
        Salvage written off from all over Europe will be bought

        Exactly. The American boats, which had been written off long ago, were picked up, and with shouts of hurray, they even paid money. The same will happen with airplanes. If Ukraine will live to see such "grandiose achievements". In the meantime, in Ukraine, all with a smart look, from scratch, are making plans for the future. Like "everything is fine", but everything is in business. And admirals with a dozen boats and generals of the Air Force, with three dozen old aircraft.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 16 July 2020 11: 56
      +5
      Quote: Oleg kubanoid
      in 15 years if you buy

      maybe the donkey will die .....
    4. Tuzik
      Tuzik 16 July 2020 11: 57
      +2
      That which F-35, unnecessary F-16 pick up
      1. 4ekist
        4ekist 16 July 2020 12: 23
        +3
        F-15, F-16, F-18 are quite possible options, they can also acquire a new condition if they pledge something or sell it. Yes, the same Turks will sell.
      2. figwam
        figwam 16 July 2020 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Tuzik
        That which F-35, unnecessary F-16 pick up

        That's right, F-16 B / U it will be the ultimate dream.
        Quote: 4ekist
        they can acquire a new state if they pledge something or sell it. Yes, the same Turks will sell.

        Turkey has neither F-15 nor F-18. There are only B / Ear F-16.
        1. 4ekist
          4ekist 16 July 2020 12: 47
          -2
          They can buy anywhere, this is called business
          1. figwam
            figwam 16 July 2020 12: 52
            +2
            Quote: 4ekist
            They can buy anywhere, this is called business

            Maybe they will buy nuclear missiles right away, since this is just a business?
        2. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 16 July 2020 13: 10
          +2
          I remember that about 4 years ago, on the offal, Canadians offered the well-worn Hornets to throw almost a freebie. but the conditions themselves to perform maintenance. gunpowder fingers drove on and realized that there would be no sense and the tango through the fingers would leave and refused. I think with the rest of the trash will be the same. because Ukraine is no longer there. there is a territory that for someone has become a fairy tale and a bottomless bottom. and someone is not life but existence ....
        3. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 16 July 2020 18: 53
          0
          Turks f16 collect themselves. They even have their own version of this aircraft.
          1. figwam
            figwam 16 July 2020 18: 58
            +3
            Quote: Herman 4223
            Turks f16 collect themselves.

            Collected from American components, under the supervision of Lockheed Martin and with the approval of the US Congress)
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        4. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 18 July 2020 15: 12
          0
          Quote: figvam
          F-16 B / U this will be the ultimate dream.


          Poles from New F-16 quietly holding their mouths with both hands whined. There are very serious differences from Soviet equipment in terms of operation and maintenance. The technique is much more delicate and does not tolerate violations of regulations. Last year, the Poles managed to maintain a level of airworthiness of no more than 30-40%.
  3. Lebed
    Lebed 16 July 2020 11: 49
    14
    Looks, support the Soviet-built aircraft in technical condition is no longer able
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 16 July 2020 12: 01
      +6
      Quote: Lebed
      maintain Soviet-built aircraft in technical condition

      there and the filling of the 80s ..... upgrade? - you can! .... but the glider is tired .... and the cost of modernization will be very high ...
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 16 July 2020 11: 54
    +2
    At the seminar they completely forgot about the Su-24, leave it, or what? until 2035.
  5. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 16 July 2020 11: 55
    +4
    And at the same time to close the enterprises carrying out repairs and modernization.
  6. Eldorado
    Eldorado 16 July 2020 11: 55
    +3
    They will buy 100 planes ... But the lip will not crack? fool
  7. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 July 2020 11: 56
    +3
    20 years ago I made a humorous prediction that the next planes in Ukraine will be. F-16.
    1. Gato
      Gato 16 July 2020 13: 58
      +1
      what will be the next planes in Ukraine. F-16.

      And not the I-16?
      1. Pavel57
        Pavel57 16 July 2020 14: 25
        +1
        I-16 does not pass, it is Muscovite.
        1. Gato
          Gato 16 July 2020 14: 31
          +2
          he is Muscovite

          Yes, I didn’t think ... Okay, let it be F-16, in the sense of Farman-16:
  8. svp67
    svp67 16 July 2020 11: 59
    +4
    Well, if only from the reserve withdrawn from the US Air Force, with payment for modernization measures, according to the scheme for receiving ships
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 16 July 2020 12: 10
      +4
      So it will be most likely.
      But there is a nuance, everything can change by the 35th year, and Russia, for example, will build a plant somewhere near Kiev with the production of Su-57M2
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 July 2020 12: 27
        +2
        Quote: Tuzik
        everything can change by the 35th year, and Russia, for example, will build a plant somewhere near Kiev with the production of Su-57M2

        Well, only if in Kharkov they modernize the aircraft plant and then under MS-21
        1. Pavel57
          Pavel57 16 July 2020 14: 26
          0
          Rather, in the Kharkov province.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 July 2020 16: 17
            0
            Quote: Pavel57
            Rather, in the Kharkov province.

            Slobozhansky Federal District
  9. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 16 July 2020 12: 05
    +2
    In give, they would write at least 30 cars, yab still believed, or by 50.
    Although if we are talking about some used ones, then of course it can, but why?
  10. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 July 2020 12: 11
    +3
    Central Research Institute of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    NIIIVSU to be renamed into NIIICHAVO and its branch NUIVSU.
  11. Karaul73
    Karaul73 16 July 2020 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: Oleg kubanoid
    after 15 years, if you buy from the west, it’s only f-35 and they are very expensive .. and Ukraine just won’t pull them .. and the States will not sell them .. realizing that the equipment can get to us ..

    So you can write off F 16th to buy. They are all over the world. And the states will be able to discard their junk.
    1. Gato
      Gato 16 July 2020 13: 57
      +1
      Which bumps? They won’t buy anything before the election, but after the election it will not be their problem.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 16 July 2020 12: 33
    +6
    As considered suppliers of aircraft for the Ukrainian Air Force - the United States and France.

    France will not even be able to submit an application for participation in tenders! Did the Americans invest in a coup in Ukraine in order for France to supply Ukraine with weapons? ha ha ha
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 16 July 2020 13: 08
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      As considered suppliers of aircraft for the Ukrainian Air Force - the United States and France.

      France will not even be able to submit an application for participation in tenders! Did the Americans invest in a coup in Ukraine in order for France to supply Ukraine with weapons? ha ha ha

      Put a plus. But do not forget, France, through Avakov in Ukraine, delivers its tops.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 16 July 2020 15: 27
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Put a plus. But do not forget, France through Avakov in Ukraine, delivers its tops

        Of course, France will get something, but the whole bulk of the supply will be taken by the Americans, they must recapture the investment .................
  13. gurzuf
    gurzuf 16 July 2020 13: 32
    +2
    I don’t know how, but ... with this independent country it is necessary to finish.
  14. Diverter
    Diverter 16 July 2020 13: 41
    +4
    Duren thought bagatet!))
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 16 July 2020 13: 44
    +1
    Quote: Stalllker
    Just give up SU and MiG

    Well, the entire budget of Ukraine will pull a dozen "Eurofighters", or do they prefer the F-35. And why should they service? And the personnel need to be retrained. I think in the budgetary policy, the purchase of new aircraft is on the 100500th place!
  16. Gato
    Gato 16 July 2020 13: 55
    +4
    By 2035, the Ukrainian Air Force should

    Until 2035, in Ukraine you can plan anything you like - even the construction of the Intergalactic Fleet. All the same, by that time, none of those planning on the posts would remain. Nasreddiny fig ...
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 July 2020 14: 21
    +2
    On Montgolfier or on kites they will only have to fly, and more than that they don’t have enough money.
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 16 July 2020 14: 28
    0
    Quote: Rothmans
    Wise guy, I don’t care much about both your obsolete equipment and the American one, I want normal (price-quality) high-tech weapons to be bought for my taxes, albeit less, but better wink

    I want to be healthy and rich. And who doesn't want something?
  19. 5-9
    5-9 16 July 2020 15: 25
    +1
    The meeting was in Vasyuki, conducted by his visiting lecturer - Comrade Bender ....
  20. Lesorub
    Lesorub 16 July 2020 15: 28
    +1
    In particular, it is indicated that by 2035 the Ukrainian Air Force should be replenished with 100 new combat aircraft so that the combat effectiveness of Ukraine in the air is maintained at an acceptable level.

    The economy of Ukraine with a prospect of 15 years will be even more stagnant - what kind of purchase of 100 combat aircraft can we talk about ??! If only the western "partner" does not give a loan - for the purchase of these aircraft, (driving them into large debts).
  21. Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 July 2020 16: 53
    +1
    Pilots where? The landscape designers? Since the Union, many lads from Ukraine have been very talented pilots. It seems in vain the Soviet Union collapsed, gave free rein to all the shit
  22. gridasov
    gridasov 16 July 2020 22: 14
    +1
    If Ukrainian clowns get involved in an arms race, it’s even scary to think how this will end.
  23. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 16 July 2020 22: 22
    +1
    Ukraine called the deadline for abandoning aircraft! All! And about Su, MiG, etc., you can not continue. To bring the number of combat aircraft from 25 to 1500 in 100 years of self-determination is a talent you must have! But in reality, a maximum of 50 "live" and then together with helicopters and transports
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 July 2020 23: 02
      0
      He counted at the airfields of Ukraine - probably living airplanes in the region of 70-80 aircraft. It's about the Su-27, MiG-29, Su-25, Su-24.
      I’ll clarify - it’s quite realistic to distinguish between a landfill
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 17 July 2020 17: 06
        +2
        For the most part, the squadron stands are "outwardly decent"; on the state, not really working horses. Even on the central lock a beautiful but non-working Kalash row can be displayed. For example, this was the case in Belbek in the 62nd IAP. Flying to the entire regiment (or rather the whole Ukraine) there were 5 MiG-29 boards (3 combat 9-13 and 2 twin). It is collected from 2 regiments. Of the 3 boards, one is completely "working", he was also on duty in the DC, the second in regular avionics failures, the third "dove of peace", did not work nifiga, was used for training flights to the aerobatics zone and along the route. And these 5 aircraft flew from airfield to airfield, depicting violent activity. All the rest of the equipment, beautiful and painted, stood at the AE parking lots, it was used to train l / s and IAS work, but it was "dead".
        P.S. So, in the 90s, during the "upper check", I occupied the alert readiness of the unit on my board, in which there was no seat (K-36DM). The whole squadron in its places, I to myself, the chair was dismantled according to those. condition. So what? An army stool with a hole in the middle, set firmly on its 4 legs by the rails in my "study"! Everyone whinnied - if only there was no command "air", then fly off with a stool! laughing . Of course, no one would have ordered, there was not enough keros for everyday combat, not to mention the commission’s entertainment. What am I talking about - not Ukraine, now the situation is hardly better than our 90s. Worse, yes. As of March 2013, not a single crew was trained for the Su-24, for example. Katsstrofu can and remember them in the same month.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 17 July 2020 17: 13
          0
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          As of March 2013, not a single crew was trained for the Su-24, for example. Katsstrofu can and remember them in the same month.


          Yes, I remember - there was a crash at the landing.
          21.03.2014/17/15 at 24:7, the Su-XNUMXM of the XNUMXth Tactical Aviation Brigade of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine crashed while landing during scheduled flights near the Starokonstantinov airfield in the Khmelnitsky region. The crew of the squadron commander Lt. Col. Denis Kocan and the navigator of Lieutenant Panas Dudnik catapulted. There are no casualties and destruction, the crew was not injured

          It?

          Thanks, it was interesting .... By the way, when there was a crash of the Ukrainian Su-27, I remembered that the pilot lieutenant colonel had a total flying time of around 480-500 hours
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 17 July 2020 17: 54
            +1
            Yes, it is. And with a raid, the situation is the same, approximately like that of "motorists" - a person got a license, began to drive, in the opera the pen begins to grow into a geometrical progression, it begins to seem to him that I can do everything and can do everything. Have you noticed - the racers are mostly "young". And the skills are with a gulkin's nose. The flight personnel have the same theme, but there are strictly established time breaks (according to the KBP) for the flight crews, according to the types, types of flights and the number of these export, control and training flights. And here - the lieutenant colonel! Either the squadron commander, or the deputy commander of the regiment, judging by the raid - "wild" due to the senior, but experienced, mass dismissal of the commanders, who have everything, found normal times, and now understanding the situation deeply, sent all the nafig and quit. And experience is experience, there is little talent in the flying business, and there was no one to transfer this experience. Well, self-control is an amusing thing in a person. And in combination with ambition? The result is a mouthful of earth!
            On our quarterly readings (SBP) of express bulletins on accidents and disasters, we regularly recall Zhukovsky's famous "aviation" phrase about not recognizing any authorities, but only people who respect flight laws
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 18 July 2020 11: 35
              0
              By the way, tell me, how is the flight hour considered? From the moment of detachment to the moment of touch?
              1. illuminat
                illuminat 18 July 2020 18: 53
                +1
                Quote: Cyril G ...
                By the way, tell me, how is the flight hour considered? From the moment of detachment to the moment of touch?
                Do you mean flight time? From the start of the run to the end of the run (stop or steering). The exception is conveyor flights.
                And so there is practically no difference from "from separation to touch", less than a minute.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 18 July 2020 19: 49
                  0
                  Yes, flight time, for calculating flight hours. Thank....
                  Is it true that behind the hill a raid is considered from starting the engine to jamming, or a bike?
              2. akarfoxhound
                akarfoxhound 19 July 2020 11: 44
                +1
                From the start of "starting off" from a place on take-off to reaching the taxi speed at landing. The exception is the "pipeline". The Americans are counting down the "opening-closing" of the canopy.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 14: 33
                  0
                  Thank you, very interesting. And what, in your opinion, is the correction factor for bringing our raid to theirs.
                  1. akarfoxhound
                    akarfoxhound 19 July 2020 20: 37
                    0
                    To be honest, I was not interested. Although it cannot be. What can be the coefficient, if even the same board, according to the planned table, per shift can have a 10/15 minute flight (circles with a conveyor), 1h 30 (route, zone, air battle in the complex) and 2 hours, and with refueling, etc. We have a technical post before the "preliminary" one, I have not seen this with them. And this inspection at the TP of the fighter, attack aircraft and strategist are different. And the length of taxiways, trunk lines and taxiing schemes at all points (airfields) are different (this is me "for the lights"). It happens from the preliminary to the executive start immediately taxied, and sometimes you stand "very thoughtful", thrash with engines, you miss the incoming ones. They have 5-10 minutes more for each flight, but this is also the case, on the fly, i.e. about nothing.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 19 July 2020 20: 39
                      0
                      Well, at least some clarity. thank you.
  24. Oleg Demidov
    Oleg Demidov 17 July 2020 02: 54
    +1
    Probably Ukraine is going to fly on ..... brooms! Only they have enough money for them!))))
  25. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 July 2020 11: 17
    0
    This is not even funny. The economy is collapsing, a huge hole in the budget, and banderlogs fantasize
  26. nnz226
    nnz226 17 July 2020 21: 44
    0
    And what will they change for ??? Like an F-16 from the 70s of the last century? Or even Po-2 ?!