Will sanctions for the production of Kalashnikovs in the United States follow: a possible response from Russia

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There is nothing to think of again that already exists. Such an idea arose in the minds of the US military when they turned their attention to a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

About this writes the American edition of Forbes.



The US decided that it should arm their allies weaponsproduced back in the Soviet Union. Although its characteristics are inferior to modern models, it often surpasses new developments in reliability and ease of use. Moreover, many US allies in different parts of the world still use weapons originally from the USSR.

The Americans were interested in Soviet ATGMs, RPG hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers, Kalashnikov assault rifles, missiles, as well as ammunition for small arms and artillery.

At the same time, they cannot buy Soviet (Russian) weapons and ammunition according to the standard US scheme. The US Armed Forces note the "limited supply sources" and the ban on a number of European countries from transporting this dangerous cargo through their territory. In addition, the sanctions that the United States imposed on various countries of the world can become an obstacle.

Then in the USA they came to the conclusion that the production of Kalashnikovs and other Soviet weapons should be established.

It will be sent to governments and various armed groups in Africa and the Middle East, supported by the Americans. Most of them have been using Soviet weapons for decades and have mastered it perfectly. Unlike modern Western-made weapons, Kalashnikovs and RPGs are easier to use and do not require laborious maintenance.

The whole question is in Russia's position: is our country going to react to unilateral measures for the unlicensed production of Russian-made weapons in the United States? Will Russian sanctions be imposed against the US? .. A possible response from Russia could be to produce its own copies of American weapons and ammunition for "third countries."
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  1. +9
    16 July 2020 12: 00
    Military patents are very short: 15 years.
    After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country
    1. +4
      16 July 2020 12: 20
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Military patents are very short: 15 years.
      After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country

      Well then, what would other countries have to have more modern weapons, in contrast to which they own? The same Iran? Or is it only for the elect
      1. -2
        16 July 2020 18: 11
        Nonsense about 15 years. Then all, a little bit rich countries would rivet clones of the latest weapons
        1. +4
          17 July 2020 11: 24
          You do not seem to understand anything in production, technology, metal science, etc.
          In order not to "rivet", but to make it normally, you need the entire package of documents, all the know-how.
          Even pies according to the same recipe for different housewives are different, if you hide a little secret ..
    2. +8
      16 July 2020 12: 36
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Military patents are very short: 15 years.
      After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country

      This is not about patents, but about production licenses. But without these licenses, now about a dozen countries of the "Kalash" are doing, without experiencing any legal consequences or remorse. In the US, civilian "Kalashnikovs" also seem to have been produced for a long time by some RWC; what will prevent them from riveting them for the military in the same way?
    3. +1
      16 July 2020 12: 50
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Military patents are very short: 15 years.
      After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country

      Russia needs to offer these products supposed to buyers in the article: directly, t.s., from the manufacturer , and the quality and prices will be better than Amer.
      1. +3
        16 July 2020 13: 54
        Quote: Olgovich
        Russia needs to offer these products allegedly in the article to MOSTSELF: directly, t.s., from the manufacturer, and the quality and prices will be better than Amers.

        Will not work.
        This is American military assistance.
        And they provide it to such an audience that money cannot be issued into their hands. Steal.
        Because only Israel has the right to independently spend American money in the United States
        The rest get the product itself directly.
      2. 0
        16 July 2020 15: 42
        lol So in the article there is a kindergarten on the road. The CIA does not know data on the tonnage of "iron" since Soviet times? Why would they even have hemorrhoids with their own production, if a tender for the purchase was announced and flew through Belarus which from warehouses ... East....
      3. 0
        16 July 2020 16: 43
        Quote: Olgovich
        Russia needs to offer these products supposed to customers in the article
        Those. if the states decide to arm their igil, jabhat-en-nusra, vsu and other upa / una-unso with their kalashas, ​​should Russia offer its kalashis to these barmales?
      4. 0
        17 July 2020 08: 45
        Quote: Olgovich
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Military patents are very short: 15 years.
        After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country

        Russia needs to offer these products supposed to buyers in the article: directly, t.s., from the manufacturer , and the quality and prices will be better than Amer.

        How do you look at this in order to deliver weapons directly to American thugs, for example, to Syria?
        1. 0
          17 July 2020 09: 15
          Quote: APASUS
          How do you look at this in order to deliver weapons directly to American thugs, for example, to Syria?

          And, for example, in Chile? To Afghanistan? To Pakistan? Etc.?
          Are you against?
    4. 0
      16 July 2020 14: 09
      Do not be foolish.
    5. -3
      16 July 2020 15: 16
      1) Atomic, hydrogen bomb? Zarin, zaman, V-gases?
      2) Yes, let them copy. AK-47 is an ideal weapon for a people's war. Just let the AK-47 monument be erected when it is all over.
    6. +1
      16 July 2020 17: 12
      Um, given that the USSR did not do international patents for weapons, then everyone can feel it at the moment
    7. 0
      16 July 2020 18: 32
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Military patents are very short: 15 years.

      Not 20? However, this detail is not essential for the AK-47. wink
      1. +2
        16 July 2020 19: 45
        In many countries, weapons are not patented at all.
      2. -2
        16 July 2020 22: 12
        There was never a patent for it and could not be - the decisions made by it were not always distinguished by patent purity
        It was possible to patent individual solutions
    8. -1
      16 July 2020 21: 38
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Military patents are very short: 15 years.
      After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country

      =========
      It is possible to copy and even produce ..... EXPORT (without a license) - IT IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!
  2. +9
    16 July 2020 12: 02
    A possible response from Russia could be its own production of copies of American weapons and ammunition for "third countries."
    But is it (expensive, complex, difficult to maintain weapons) that these third countries need ...? belay
    1. 0
      16 July 2020 19: 08
      The concept is different. The AK design is designed for mass production in any large enough factory with primitive press-forging equipment and cheap unskilled labor. The design of the AR-15 and its derivatives (in particular, the M-16) is designed for small-scale production at any small factory that has several CNC machines and trained operators for them. It is not without reason that approximately 150 AK-type assault rifles were produced in the world, and only 000 of the AR-000 type. The difference is an order of magnitude.
      American AK clones usually have a milled receiver. Although the milling process is roads, the volume of production is not large enough to recoup the stamps.
  3. +5
    16 July 2020 12: 04
    "It will be sent to governments and various American-backed militias in Africa and the Middle East."
    ------
    It is necessary to supplement
    "... To various armed groups of terrorists ..."
    1. 0
      16 July 2020 19: 11
      Well, all sorts of IRA, PLO, Hamas, Hezbollah, and other Houthis are not supplied by America or any other Western countries.
      1. +2
        16 July 2020 19: 19
        I meant the irregular army of the USA - ISIS and Nusra (banned in the Russian Federation) Russian site? So for information ... Russia does not consider Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations.
        1. +1
          16 July 2020 19: 22
          So after all, Hamas considers the Chechen separatists and the Arabs like Basayev and Khattab who joined them as martyrs on the holy path of jihad, and by no means terrorists.
          1. 0
            16 July 2020 19: 28
            Trump said that ISIS is the brainchild of Obyma and Clinton ... Chechen separatism is the work of the Anglo-Saxon intelligence services, like all international terrorism on the planet, is also the work of Western intelligence services.
            1. +1
              16 July 2020 20: 29
              Quote: Tank jacket
              Trump said ISIS was the brainchild of Obyma and Clinton ..

              Don't take it literally. The point is that Obama's speech in Cairo launched the Arab Spring. Although I think Obama is the worst president since the civil war, accusing him of intentionally creating ISIS is, in my opinion, too much on your part. Here, rather, "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always" © Chernomyrdin
              1. +1
                17 July 2020 14: 33
                Russian Ministry of Defense: Evacuation of instructors from an environment in unknown helicopters, passage through ISIS terrorist combat formations by US Army units without clashes, allegedly transferring weapons, military equipment, medicines, training and treatment of terrorists, the last Rukban case, Poseidon-8 conducted a group of terrorist drones during an attack to Khmeimim, where the US Army appeared ISIS quickly expanded its territory and acquired vehicles and weapons ...
            2. +1
              17 July 2020 14: 15
              Oh yes, learn the story. All the first terrorists, from the Red Brigades to the PLO, were created and trained by the KGB and its structures to “fight against imperialism”
  4. -2
    16 July 2020 12: 05
    A possible response from Russia could be its own production of copies of American weapons and ammunition for "third countries."
    Pride will not allow us recourse I am not like that!!! feel
    1. +4
      16 July 2020 12: 13
      Not pride, but technical capability.
      1. 0
        16 July 2020 13: 55
        Technical capabilities do not allow you to copy the American M4 and sell them to everyone?
      2. +1
        16 July 2020 22: 27
        Quote: Pereira
        Not pride, but technical capability.

        =========
        Yah? So, dear Mikhail, do you know that M-16s were produced in the USSR? Yes, yes - were made! And with American marking! Just like AKM and AK-47 (with Soviet (!) marking) were also produced in the USA! True, this was all done in the strictest secrecy (both here and there). Moreover, there are NO differences in accuracy and accuracy of the battle! It was possible to determine the difference (country of origin) only by the spectral analysis of the metal (and even then it is ambiguous!). The information was received from a friend of mine, who "shot" them in the late 70s!
    2. +5
      16 July 2020 12: 27
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Pride will not allow us

      And, I hope, common sense: the value of such a step is zero for us. Only spend money in vain.
  5. +15
    16 July 2020 12: 07
    It makes sense to establish production of something if there are sales markets. There are markets for inexpensive Soviet weapons. Is there anything in the American that would compete with the USA?
    1. +10
      16 July 2020 12: 09
      Probably only in small batches. For the sake of provocations and fraud "partners"
      1. +9
        16 July 2020 12: 15
        Quote: Lebed
        Probably only in small batches. For the sake of provocations and fraud "partners"

        Fake the USA, what are you talking about? They put it all over the world, kissing terrorists passionately .... it is not possible to substitute them. From the word at all. request
        1. +10
          16 July 2020 12: 18
          Here I am about it. There is no point in investing in such a production. And the United States is such a "hairpin" - that an elephant is a grain of grain.
          1. +6
            16 July 2020 12: 45
            The article is titled "Will there be sanctions ...".
            Sanctions must be effective, painful, instructive.
            For example, you can impose sanctions on the supply of aviation titanium to the United States.
            Oops ... and got up the aviation industry. Boeing
            Will our manufacturer suffer?
            Increase supplies to Airbus - if the Boeing rises, it will get more orders. And it's time to build your planes - they have to plague your titanium on them.
            This will be VERY painful.
            The USA will not be able to quickly compensate for these supplies - it will take more than a year to find a new supplier and organize logistics.
            Or introduce sanctions for the supply of nuclear fuel for their nuclear power plants. lol
            Very painful sanctions will turn out - they have nowhere to take the fuel rods, now there is a shortage of reactor fuel ... And they DO NOT have their own capacities.
            And if the sanctions coincide with the Chinese ones against Lockheed Martin and rare earth metals ...
            Yes, under the Negro pogroms ...
            Yes, under the coronovirus ...
            Yes, under the election ...

            Not .
            The guarantor will not pull - not those Faberge. request
            1. +1
              16 July 2020 19: 56
              Quote: bayard
              For example, you can impose sanctions on the supply of aviation titanium to the United States.
              Oops ... and got up the aviation industry. Boeing
              Will our manufacturer suffer?

              Boeing would not get up. He would buy titanium from another manufacturer. The plane will become a thousand bucks more expensive, well, not too scary. But our manufacturer will suffer significantly. It may not bend, but it will not be able to flourish either, those few superjets and military aircraft a year will not fully load the plant with work.
              1. 0
                17 July 2020 02: 42
                Quote: rzzz
                Would not get up a Boeing. He would buy titanium from another manufacturer.

                And who?
                Before China could, but now ... the nuances ... and the quality of Chinese titanium is worse, and the range can not all. And alloys are not all. They built their own medium-haul highway, and it covered with cracks. Now they are racking their brains and re-counting the glider ... Who SHOULD provide such volumes immediately in the entire assortment?
                In essence, this will have to be deployed, launched, production, staff recruited, brought to the desired quality and volume of production.
                This is YEARS.
                Over the years, Boeing will lose VERY much on the market.
                And over the years our Aviaprom should finally start.
                MS-21 is planned at the first stage to produce 70 pcs. per year, then bring to 100 pcs. Next - how it goes.
                IL-76MD90A is a large aircraft. They are going to produce in two lines - the first stage (line) - 18 pcs. per year, the second stage (line) - 36 aircraft per year.
                Preparing to launch a new version of the IL-96 (the first two in construction). First limited edition with 4 engines. After the appearance of the PD-35 - with a new wing in a twin-engine version.
                IL-114 for nearby highways will also soon be certified in a series. They need a lot for domestic lines, and they should go for export.
                IL-112 - I hope they do it, they will lighten the fuselage by 1,5 - 2 tons and also into production.
                For the Super Jet, three domestic engines and other native components should appear in a year's time. In this guise, they are ready to take it, and it is in this guise that it is POSSIBLE its normal after-sales service (with an imported zoo for components, this was in principle an unviable undertaking).
                Orders for the VKS - restarting the production of Tu-160M ​​\ M2, Tu-22M3M.
                By the middle-end of the decade, mass production of a wide-body long-range aircraft of joint Russian-Chinese development will begin.
                Russia has 50% in the project and we are to build wings, keels, plumage and most likely - engines.
                The quality requirements for constructive titanium are very high, and perhaps at least some of the most responsible and critical elements can also be supplied by Avisma.
                There are a lot of aircraft listed above, all of them use constructive titanium in the power pack.
                Yes, and Airbus, after the collapse (and it has already begun, without our sanctions) of Voeing, will increase sales, and, accordingly, the demand for our titanium.
                If wisely, then everything will be only a plus.
                But we need FABERGE.
                Titanium.
                And BRAINS are not "artificial intelligence" or HSE graduates.
                All of the above is our potential, but to realize it ... WILL is needed.
                Do not steal, but WORK.
                Not to the sweetness of life, but to SERVE.

                ... with this ... problem ... what
                bully
                1. 0
                  17 July 2020 23: 01
                  Quote: bayard
                  First limited edition with 4 engines. After the appearance of the PD-35 - with a new wing in a twin-engine version.

                  I remember a commercial of some, I don't remember which, airline that advertised I don't remember which route on which, unlike competitors with twin-engine Boeings, they used a 4-engine Airbus either 340 or 380. The message was this : "Although modern aircraft engines are very reliable, on a long flight it is calmer if you are surrounded by four." wink
    2. -1
      16 July 2020 16: 48
      Quote: Lebed
      There are markets for inexpensive Soviet weapons. Is there anything in the American that would compete with the USA?

      American weapons only in countries that are directly dependent on the states. Where Americans can feel free to retract their weapons at exorbitant prices. Which, by the way, if not bad, but not always the best.
  6. +3
    16 July 2020 12: 07
    so the Bulgarians and also like the Romanians made the Kalashnikovka shooter in NATO
    1. 0
      16 July 2020 12: 17
      Quote: Graz
      so the Bulgarians and also like the Romanians made the Kalashnikovka shooter in NATO

      Yes, but the money has to go right. And these are not quality issues.
  7. +1
    16 July 2020 12: 09
    How is this AK type inferior to modern models? If you shove normal cartridges into it, and not our army roll - so practically nothing .. And I don't want to attach body kits to it ..
    1. -5
      16 July 2020 12: 27
      At least the need for a squint side crown. Thank God in the latest models they thought of making a fixed gas pipe and a screw-out cap for cleaning. And open it was possible to spread it as it should and put a normal wiver. I think the next step, he will break at the chamber level))) And he will have an aper and lover))))
      AK-shaped are good exactly until you use it in stock.
      And even if you do not shove the swath into it, he will not come close to the child of Stoner in accuracy. Gross for sure, selected - maybe it will catch on.
      1. +3
        16 July 2020 12: 53
        he doesn’t come close to Stoner's child.
        This is a highly controversial issue. I had to hear different opinions ... And from my own experience - if you put a say in Saigu DN - the difference with the BPZ is enormous .. As for the side crown, I’m not sure of his squint .. It doesn't bother me personally. But to clean a fixed tube is not a pleasant experience ..
        1. -2
          16 July 2020 13: 08
          And what is the difficulty of such cleaning? I drove a rag with solvent on it and paper or felt wad dry. All. At the end I sprayed. There is only soot.
          The fact that Saiga (we don’t take shorties) shoots, for example, is extra best - a fact. But you will not find me a single video where ak / saiga at 300m puts at least a4 on the floor. In stock never in a life. And I'm even ready to make an assumption on 308win. Standard with a 39 sleeve this is generally impossible with any cartridge.
  8. 0
    16 July 2020 12: 18
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Military patents are very short: 15 years.
    After 15 years, any country has the right to copy any military product of another country

    Alexey, hello, what about the sanctions? How long can sanctions last? I'll go to the North Koreans and ask ...
    1. +7
      16 July 2020 12: 31
      Why are we going to forbid them? Stop selling aluminum? Or grandmother to import stolen into our banks?
      With grain, too, the ban would be so-so.
      Basically, we are interested in everything that makes up a decent share of profit in goods turnover.
      Like oil and gas. We will never stop selling them to the West ourselves. We need money. They will find where to buy, let them treasure but buy.
      1. 0
        16 July 2020 12: 44
        And we will strike asymmetrically on LGBT people and juvenile justice, on inagents and cryo-defenders ... It will be more painful ... wink
        The Soros Foundation is crushed and driven out, and its history textbooks removed ...
        1. -1
          16 July 2020 12: 48
          Then it is necessary to spite the West to completely decriminalize domestic violence and prohibit divorces. Well, the tax on childlessness.
        2. 0
          16 July 2020 20: 06
          Then the HSE still needs to be closed, and if everything goes badly, “United Russia” should be disbanded.
          1. +1
            16 July 2020 21: 53
            To lift the ban from the IMF on ruble investments, to cancel the IMF ban on the withdrawal of capital, to cancel the IMF ban on restricting currency speculation. Evil tongues say that the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance are too eager to comply with the instructions of the IMF ...
  9. +12
    16 July 2020 12: 30
    The whole question is in Russia's position: is our country going to respond to unilateral measures for the unlicensed production of Russian-made weapons in the United States?
    Yes, there is no question. As early as October 10, 2018, Rostec made a statement that the production of Russian small arms in the United States without any corresponding legal permission from Russia would be considered intellectual theft.
    Back in 2017, the SBIR program was opened, a kind of competition among arms manufacturers to create analogues of the PKM and NSV machine guns. A year later, Rostec made a statement.
    However, there is one point. The SOCOM plan specifically provides for the use of weapons that "resemble" Russian ones, but are not necessarily their direct copies. The United States has experience of such maneuvers - Kalashnikov USA, which develops, manufactures and sells Kalashnikov-style firearms for law enforcement, military and commercial markets.

    This is the "Kalashnikov-style" US132Z. Rostec cannot make any claims on this matter. Dillon Aero, Knight's Armament Company and McNally Industries are currently working on designs "in the style of the PKM and NSV".
    As for the maxim "A possible response from Russia could be its own production of copies of American weapons and ammunition for" third countries "- this could only be written by a very narrow-minded person who does not know the question at all, that is, a typical author of the VO website.
  10. 0
    16 July 2020 12: 38
    British Jupiter!
  11. +2
    16 July 2020 12: 47
    A possible response from Russia could be its own production of copies of American weapons and ammunition for "third countries."
    This is utter nonsense. To intensify the sale of our weapons, plus prohibit prosecution for pirated copies of films, programs and much more, actively pirate technical solutions and technologies - this is a worthy answer. Leave the anti-piracy law for the blaziru, but not enforce it. China has been doing this for many years. And we spread rot on teachers for pirate Windows.
  12. +7
    16 July 2020 13: 04
    Will Russian sanctions be introduced against the United States? .. A possible response from Russia could be own production copies of American weapons and ammunition for "third countries".

    Let's make copies of dollars right away.
    1. +2
      16 July 2020 13: 24
      Yes, they do, but for some reason in the FSB, on this occasion, they begin to speak with swear words laughing
  13. +2
    16 July 2020 13: 39
    When is it arrogant and 2 rubles more expensive than all the rest of the statesmen asked someone about permission? They are the hail on the hill, the 4th Rome and the beacons of democracy. The riots of black anti-fascist extremists fueled by democrats (with the collection of donations under the cover of BLM through transit spacers for the elections of their loved ones) went to the military industrial complex. Weapons have never sold so well in the United States.
    The revenue is no longer in the millions, but in the billions of dollars. Therefore, the most popular among Latinos, Chinese and black citizens of the United States, machines are leaving sales like pies. In what, in what, but in an automatic weapon, Ak will give odds to any AR devices (of course, AR has its charms, but we argue that we are more familiar and understandable in Russia). Historically, we were not very good with pistols, although now it seems to be getting better too. What should manufacturers in the US do against this background? Buy AK from China or India? Of course, it's more profitable to make them yourself. So they will stamp. And the Russian Federation will not be able to influence this in any way.
    Only one thing is alarming. If the elections are held and Trump will win or he will lose, but he will resist and will not leave the post, accusing the Democrats of falsification - then all these AK and AR can go to the chord and NEW Civil war in the USA will flare up for the interests of the offended esteem from the Democrats.
  14. +3
    16 July 2020 14: 12
    The only effective answer to the Americans could be a public statement on the refusal of American copyright holders in the legal protection of intellectual property rights in Russia, and all copyright holders - from weapons to software, and Hollywood products.
  15. 0
    16 July 2020 14: 21
    and then how, the boom to respond, express concern
    on Facebook wassat
  16. 0
    16 July 2020 14: 41
    Revoke U.S. Patents
  17. +3
    16 July 2020 15: 06
    Of course they will not follow. We have a different approach. Concern will follow and that’s all.
  18. +3
    16 July 2020 15: 36
    We produce arches, just like Kalash, they are not patented. Anyone can produce. In Vietnam, Galilas are doing at the factory of Grandpa Ho. In Afghanistan, in the kishlaks, the Abdullahs master them after the poppy is weeded. So sanctioners, go ahead, trumpet testament.
  19. -1
    16 July 2020 16: 22
    Oh, damn it. Again, no specifics. USA-Drain?
    Who, where, when, how much? What are the contracts? - no nifiga.

    And what their firms produce in small batches has long been known. License, Copyright, Sanctions?
    Maybe someone goes into his pocket, quietly and imperceptibly ...
  20. +1
    16 July 2020 18: 13
    There will be no sanctions. There was no patent for the AK-47. And time has passed. It is necessary to move on to new design solutions. solutions
  21. +1
    16 July 2020 22: 24
    Quote: Dali
    A possible response from Russia could be its own production of copies of American weapons and ammunition for "third countries."
    But is it (expensive, complex, difficult to maintain weapons) that these third countries need ...? belay

    Yes nafig nobody needs it. This is not a shooting gallery. There, people are fighting, and not engaged in postreluchs under viskarik. laughing
  22. 0
    17 July 2020 11: 07
    Well then, we start using pirated wIndows and watch pirated copies of movies. Harley can now produce at home ... and other equipment under American brands. Hurray, the whole world will become one big China! America gives the go-ahead!
  23. 0
    17 July 2020 11: 32
    Russian problems (oil, gas, etc.) are resolved in the courts of European countries, and the United States has its own court ... they will turn it around as they want, then they will say to themselves: - "The court ruled!" and go to do what they want. In general, some kind of sadomasochism, the EU has declared us sanctions, an economic and information war, and we are subject to the Geyropov court ... !!! ????? Empire damn ...... !!!!!!!
  24. 0
    19 July 2020 08: 46
    Our cartridge factories have long mastered the production of NATO standard ammunition for weapons.
  25. 0
    19 July 2020 14: 05
    They have been producing our RPG for 10 years for some modes in South America.