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On the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan fights resumed

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On the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan fights resumed

On the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan, hostilities resumed. The parties continue to accuse each other of escalating the conflict.


According to the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, hostilities resumed on the Tovuz direction of the Armenian-Azerbaijani border. According to the Azerbaijani military, in the morning hours the Armenian armed forces tried to attack the positions of the Azerbaijani army, firing from large-caliber weapons and mortars in the villages of Agdam, Dondar Gushchu and Vahidli of the Tovuz region.

In the morning hours of July 16, the Armenian Armed Forces again tried to attack units of the Azerbaijani army in the direction of the Tovuz district of the state border. There are no casualties among the civilian population. Currently, there are fights in this direction. Our divisions control the operational environment.

- said the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.

In turn, the Armenian Ministry of Defense accused the Azerbaijani armed forces of a nightly attempt to infiltrate saboteurs on the positions of the Armenian army.

At night at 03:40, Armenian soldiers noticed the enemy’s movement. Passing to the all-round defense, the Armenian units stopped the attempt of sabotage penetration of the enemy. After fierce fighting, the enemy, having suffered losses, was driven back

Shushan Stepanyan, spokeswoman for the Armenian Ministry of Defense, said, adding that at 05:20, Azerbaijani units began shelling the border villages of Aygepar and Movses with mortars and howitzers D-30.

According to the report, the Armenian military during the fighting on Thursday knocked out a tank of the Azerbaijani army and crushed enemy artillery points.

The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan reacted to this message and stated that all Tanks Azerbaijani army intact and in service. According to the chief of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, Colonel Vagif Dargyakhly, Azerbaijan did not advance tanks to combat positions in the area of ​​armed conflict.

This is misinformation. All Azerbaijani tanks are safe and sound. Armored vehicles of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces are not at the forefront. Azerbaijani tanks out of range of enemy units

- he said.

In addition, the Ministry of Defense called the message of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia about 13 Azerbaijani drones allegedly shot down by the Armenian military from the beginning of hostilities on July 12 a misinformation.
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  1. Meckajiuhe
    Meckajiuhe 16 July 2020 10: 21 New
    +6
    150 volunteers. The rest from the sofas are fighting throughout Azerbaijan
    1. Stavros
      Stavros 16 July 2020 10: 33 New
      +9
      And why be surprised, and here on the site, there are about a dozen couch brave asker warriors)
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 16 July 2020 17: 14 New
        -3
        And who are you, a soldier without a sofa?
    2. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx 16 July 2020 11: 22 New
      -17
      There is not a single volunteer on the front line. We are not a banana republic, when a civilian can decide and go to fight as it happens with you. Only mobilization, a military registration and enlistment office, consolidation under one of the units and waiting for an order. This is you have gathered 18 old veterans and in the first day died in droves! How many drones did you say shot down?)) that's how it happens and not your fairy tales of Armenian radio. Armenian X-55,
      1. Meckajiuhe
        Meckajiuhe 16 July 2020 11: 33 New
        16
        Is the Russian Federation a banana republic? don't you take on a lot? As for the Armenian volunteers, in 94 your gallant army was almost drowned in the Caspian Sea. And thank Moscow.
        1. Lekxnumx
          Lekxnumx 16 July 2020 11: 39 New
          -7
          Quote: Meckajiuhe
          Is the Russian Federation a banana republic?

          If in Russia a civilian can take weapons without mobilization, go to solve problems for which there is the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then yes, a banana republic. For example, Ukraine is a banana republic where there are incomprehensible armed groups that obey the oligarchy and not the General Staff. In a rule of law state, such lawlessness does not happen !
          1. Meckajiuhe
            Meckajiuhe 16 July 2020 11: 43 New
            -3
            I asked a specific question. The answer is yes or no.
            1. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx 16 July 2020 11: 47 New
              -1
              Quote: Meckajiuhe
              I asked a specific question. The answer is yes or no.

              I answered specifically! More specifically, it does not happen, do you want to breed me for emotions? I always and everywhere voiced my thoughts without fawning, groveling in front of anyone! Remember this once and for all when communicating with me!
              1. Meckajiuhe
                Meckajiuhe 16 July 2020 11: 54 New
                0
                A lot of pathos. You can see the check immediately. So yes or no?
                1. Lekxnumx
                  Lekxnumx 16 July 2020 11: 59 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Meckajiuhe
                  A lot of pathos. You can see the check immediately. So yes or no?

                  I got the answer! Free!
                  1. Meckajiuhe
                    Meckajiuhe 16 July 2020 12: 01 New
                    +4
                    Of course free. It's not my country’s leader who complains that out of 10-20 thousand protesters, 150 people came, and the rest in my country banchat tomatoes in food city and similar places. And believe me, they are very happy to live in a legal country, and not in misunderstandings of various kinds. And if they suddenly stick their nose out of the field of law, they will quickly pinch it
          2. Astartes
            Astartes 16 July 2020 11: 50 New
            -3
            Quote: Lek3338
            Quote: Meckajiuhe
            Is the Russian Federation a banana republic?

            If in Russia a civilian can take weapons without mobilization, go to solve problems for which there is the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, then yes, a banana republic. For example, Ukraine is a banana republic where there are incomprehensible armed groups that obey the oligarchy and not the General Staff. In a rule of law state, such lawlessness does not happen !

            You were like a savage to me, and you remain so.
            1. Lekxnumx
              Lekxnumx 16 July 2020 11: 55 New
              +2
              From the first day of the aggravation of the conflict, Armenians and Armenophiles, as they spoke off topic, continue to do so! When will you stop offtopic, dear sirs? essentially on a military forum called VO when are you going to communicate? Your gut is to translate the conversation into insults, playing on emotions, denigrating a certain people. So you go to other forums where Ashot and Mammad are splashing around, this is not a forum for pregnant mothers with their grievances, troubles.
              1. Meckajiuhe
                Meckajiuhe 16 July 2020 12: 18 New
                0
                You need to start with yourself fool
              2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                GELEZNII_KAPUT 16 July 2020 15: 12 New
                +4
                Quote: Lek3338
                From the first day of the aggravation of the conflict, Armenians and Armenophiles, as they spoke off topic, continue to do so! When will you stop offtopic, dear sirs? essentially on a military forum called VO when are you going to communicate? Your gut is to translate the conversation into insults, playing on emotions, denigrating a certain people. So you go to other forums where Ashot and Mammad are splashing around, this is not a forum for pregnant mothers with their grievances, troubles.

                We have Armenians in Siberia with whom I communicate, they said that Azerbaijanis are normal people ... they also said that there are stupid people on both sides who like to shoot.
          3. bulava
            bulava 16 July 2020 12: 41 New
            +1
            Is there something you don't like about Russia? Go back to your home. Without the USSR and Russia, the Persians and Turks would have dismantled all of you for spare parts long ago.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 16 July 2020 13: 03 New
              14
              Why, let them talk. You can clearly see how both sides relate to Russia. Read, listen, understand. Know who you are believed to be. hi
          4. huntsman650
            huntsman650 16 July 2020 16: 38 New
            +1
            PMC))) there is such an office))). Any civilian can voluntarily get there))))
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 16 July 2020 12: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Lek3338
        .We are not a banana republic, when a civilian can decide and go to fight as it happens here

        The less known the history of the state, the higher the conceit. request
  2. bulava
    bulava 16 July 2020 10: 23 New
    +2
    The local "Erdogan" urgently wanted to increase the military budget and distract the population from the problems in the economy, which began in the context of the pandemic and the crisis in the oil market. The people who have been hawking this nonsense about the "enemies of the Armenians" are surprising. I was in the vicinity of Baku - devastation and poverty. Why do you need Karabakh if ​​you cannot restore order under your sultan's nose?
    1. pereselenec
      pereselenec 16 July 2020 10: 42 New
      -5
      Quote: bulava
      The local "National Leader" urgently wanted to increase the military budget and distract the population from the problems in the economy that began in the context of the pandemic and the crisis in the oil market. Surprising people who hawala for so many years this nonsense about "enemies of Ukrainians". I was in the vicinity of Rostov - devastation and poverty. Why do you need Donbass, if you cannot put things in order under your tsar's nose?
      1. bulava
        bulava 16 July 2020 12: 32 New
        -9
        If we needed him, we would have taken him long ago.
        1. pereselenec
          pereselenec 16 July 2020 14: 00 New
          -2
          Quote: bulava
          If we needed him, we would have taken him long ago.

          Children born in the year when the couch uryakalki first promised to take the Donbass, last spring they already went to school, by the way.
          1. bulava
            bulava 16 July 2020 20: 34 New
            -3
            Russia is satisfied with the current status of Donbass. What's the difference in the line-up he is officially or not.
      2. Victorio
        Victorio 17 July 2020 22: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: pereselenec
        I was in the vicinity of Rostov - devastation and poverty. Why do you need Donbass, if you cannot put things in order under your tsar's nose?

        ===
        and where in the vicinity of Rostov devastation and poverty?
    2. certero
      certero 16 July 2020 11: 14 New
      +9
      You might think that everything is fucking hurt in Armenia? An even more impoverished country than Azerbaijan.
      1. bulava
        bulava 16 July 2020 12: 38 New
        0
        Yes, only Azerbaijan has oil, access to the Caspian Sea, more population. Only all income goes to expensive toys of the local sultan and his friends and relatives. Most of the ordinary people will flee to Russia at the first opportunity.
    3. Farid Alekperov
      Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 09: 48 New
      0
      Why do you need Crimea if you can’t restore order in the vicinity of Moscow? )
      1. bulava
        bulava 17 July 2020 10: 27 New
        0
        If we have no order, then why are you bursting here, how crazy?
        1. Farid Alekperov
          Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 10: 31 New
          0
          Russia is a big market, you can earn more here than in the limited market of Azerbaijan or Armenia - this is obvious. and all claims on migrants to the Russian government. Could restrictions on the network if they wanted to. )
          1. bulava
            bulava 17 July 2020 11: 01 New
            0
            Why should we limit what is beneficial? We don't waste our time on trifles. It will be necessary - we will put our man in Baku. And there are more and more prerequisites for this.
            1. Farid Alekperov
              Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 11: 19 New
              0
              is it too weak to put your own man in Armenia? ) Benefits? That is, we also benefit you, then. On the forum "I cried" such a saying would be very popular)
              And then they still say that they don’t interfere at all)
              1. bulava
                bulava 17 July 2020 12: 37 New
                0
                We have the right to interfere, since all the former republics of the USSR TEMPORARILY became independent states.
                1. Farid Alekperov
                  Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 13: 38 New
                  -1
                  Are there any plans for the Baltics too? And what about Finland and Poland? Maybe try to revive the borders of the Ros empire before the revolution? ) Poor Russian people with such plans)
                  1. bulava
                    bulava 17 July 2020 14: 28 New
                    -1
                    Nobody canceled geopolitical plans. Now it is not necessary to seize territories and carry out mass repressions, deport and so on. There are other ways to control strategically important territories. Especially those where the Russian people have invested forces and means for centuries. And, by the way, the fact that from many former republics in the Russian Federation just crowds run away is confirmed by the fact that you need us more than you do)
                    1. Farid Alekperov
                      Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 14: 58 New
                      0
                      Quote: bulava
                      And, by the way, the fact that from many former republics in the Russian Federation just crowds run away is confirmed by the fact that you need us more than you need us)

                      it absolutely does not confirm anything. Every year, hundreds of thousands of applications for a green card are submitted from Russia. Does this mean that the United States is more important for Russia than vice versa? )
                      1. bulava
                        bulava 17 July 2020 16: 29 New
                        0
                        Well, they serve about 200 K a year, so what?
                        You have filed 2018 applications for 61. Compare the scale of the Russian Federation and Azerbaijan. And do not forget that Russians go to the USA and Europe, as a rule, either for a good job, or they are businessmen who can afford it. Brooklyn doesn't sell watermelons.
                      2. Farid Alekperov
                        Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 21: 54 New
                        0
                        Quote: bulava
                        And do not forget that Russians go to the USA and Europe, as a rule, either for a good job, or they are businessmen who can afford it. Brooklyn doesn't sell watermelons.

                        What can I talk about with a person who thinks that Azerbaijanis are only trading) In the USA, they are just a fig of Azerbaijani oil workers, programmers, economists, and doctors. By the way, the same thing applies to Russia. What is the name of the person who participated in the creation of the S-400? https://rg.ru/2018/10/01/ispolnilos-55-let-sozdateliu-legendarnoj-rakety-s-400.html
  • Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 July 2020 10: 30 New
    10
    Slowly flaring up ...
    What the hell?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 16 July 2020 10: 33 New
      10
      Apparently Pashinyan and Aliyev simultaneously decided on a small victorious war. Nothing good will come of it for both.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 July 2020 10: 35 New
        10
        Quote: Cyril G ...
        Apparently Pashinyan and Aliyev simultaneously decided

        In my opinion, the Armenians were generally satisfied with the situation.
        But Azerbaijan ... After all, the Armenians, in fact, piled on them.
      2. bulava
        bulava 16 July 2020 10: 40 New
        0
        only Aliev needs it, he is always to blame for everything the Armenians. Even in a coronavirus pandemic.
        1. bayard
          bayard 16 July 2020 14: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: bulava
          only Aliyev needs it,

          It is precisely this and precisely there that is excluded.
          Aliyev can begin the liberation of Karabakh and other areas occupied by the Armenians, but start a border conflict directly with Armenia, and even in close proximity to pipelines and railways ... That would be the height of idiocy.
          And Aliyev is far from being a fool.
          Fighting for Karabakh and in Karabakh - he is in his own right.
          Attacking directly on Armenia is a challenge to the CSTO.
          Everything is very muddy there ...
          And if this is Pashinyan's idea, then I wonder who the customer is?
          You can’t call him Putin’s tame dog, he’s more likely to dance to the Anglo-Saxons ...
          So aren't we watching English lace?
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 16 July 2020 18: 26 New
            0
            "And if this is Pashinyan's idea, then I wonder who the customer is?" Azerbaijan does not need to start a conflict on the state border with Armenia, from the word at all. It would be the height of stupidity. If you start, it will definitely start in Karabakh, with the liberation of the territories of Azerbaijan from the occupation of Armenia. The conflict started at the state border and I think that Pashinyan is in At the beginning he was not in the business. Then, as the president was forced to do something, left before the fact. According to omens, the Karabakh clan that settled in Yeravan started everything. This is the work of Kocharyan, or Sargsyan, or maybe even that they started together. There are a lot of people of the Karabakh clan in the army and in the bureaucratic environment, ready to fulfill their order. So they set up Pashik, as there will be a lot of destruction and casualties, and answer Pashinyan. The final goal of the venture is Pashinyan, the clan wants to return to power. Azerbaijanis died and die in this conflict, but the Armenians will lose more in the end, in everything. On the wave of discontent, Kocharyan or Sargsyan may return, as they expect. But a dangerous undertaking, since Azerbaijan may not stop, do not on the border with Armenia, of course, and in Karabakh, since Azerbaijan has a limit of patience, it can fully move forward to liberate the occupied lands.
          2. bulava
            bulava 16 July 2020 20: 41 New
            -2
            There is no need to complicate where everything is simple. This conflict is needed to distract the population from the problems in their own country. Why didn't you go to the NKR? It's just that there is more noise. And by the way, Karabakh is the original land of Armenians. The USSR gave this land to the AzSSR.
            1. bayard
              bayard 16 July 2020 23: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: bulava
              And by the way, Karabakh is the original land of Armenians. The USSR gave this land to the AzSSR.

              Why fantasize so wildly? Armenians appeared in Karabakh after the defeat of their militias in Erzurum and Kars in 1917. They were Turkish Armenians. With weapons in hand. And this was after the February coup, when both the Russian Army and RI itself were already falling apart and decaying. The soldiers deserted home, the officers remained with the mat property.
              The Turks staged a massacre of the Armenians in revenge for their uprising and support of the Russian troops and let the Kurds down on them, giving them complete indulgence. The Armenian militia was defeated by Turkish troops and Turkish militia, and the Kurds took up the massacre. They also got houses, villages, property of Armenians.
              All who could rushed to RI.
              And now crowds of armed, brutalized Armenians appear within the Republic of Ingushetia ... which, in fact, does not seem to exist ... there is some kind of incomprehensible bourgeois republic ... a mess, troops on the Western Front ...
              And here - the most fertile land, wonderful climate and ... Azerbaijanis kindred to the Turks live on earth.
              And the Armenians have weapons in their hands.
              And no control of the central authority.
              And the people ... THE AZERBAIJANI people are unarmed.
              And the CUTTING began.
              The Azerbaijanis (citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia) were avenged for ... the Turks.
              Several districts of Nagorno-Karabakh and Karabakh (conditionally) "Podgorny" were depopulated (we jokingly called it - we had an air defense unit there in Gindarkh) ... This is how Armenians appeared in Karabakh - refugees on foreign land, who became invaders.
              And in January 1990 there were up to 85% of them (in Karabakh).
              And then they decided to take this land (Karabakh) from Azerbaijan and annex it to their Armenian SSR - a republic on the territory donated by the Russian tsars for Armenian refugees (they periodically fled from Turkey).
              That is, they were allowed into the house, and they began to wrest the rooms from the owners ...
              At the end of 1989, the Armenian SSR officially included the territory of N. Karabakh in its economic development plan, actually declaring it its own.
              It was the Armenians who began to destroy the USSR. Together with the Baltic republics.
              First of all, they expelled all ethnic Azerbaijanis from Armenia.
              In the winter.
              Through the mountain passes.
              And many people during that exodus froze on the snowy passes.
              And then, as a reaction ... Sumgait exploded ...
              Armed Armenian fighters appeared in Karabakh.
              Seizures of weapons began in Armenia (DOSAF, militia bases, small military units), many weapons, explosives and equipment were thrown into Armenia together and under the guise of humanitarian aid after the earthquake in Armenia (Uzi machines, plastids, imported detonators ... ).
              Attacks on detached mountain air defense units began with the aim of seizing weapons and for escalation.
              And by order of Gorbachev, the unbelted Armenians ... were not touched.
              They carried out acts of terrorism, and Gorbachev covered them ...
              But NO ONE officially transferred Nagorno-Karabakh to the Armenians ... Gorbachev simply enjoyed the flaring up interethnic conflicts in the dying USSR ...
              I am a witness and partly a participant in those events of 1989-1991. - I served there.
              I've been to Karabakh.
              And we sheltered the Armenian population of Azerbaijan in our units, ensured their evacuation ...
              But morally we knew and felt the righteousness of the Azerbaijanis and the guilt in all this bedlam of the Armenians.
              And the main fault is that everything went exactly that way - Gorbachev. Who did not suppress the anti-state rebellion of the Armenian nationalists - the Dashnaks, and in every possible way condoned and played along with them.
              1. bulava
                bulava 17 July 2020 10: 40 New
                0
                Armenian and Russian pogroms began in Baku 30 years ago (and we will never forget it) population, it was before Karabakh and the "expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia." Kakby, it would be strange if in response to the massacre - this would not have happened. BUT! If you had pogroms and massacres, then, as a rule, yours were allowed to leave Armenia and NKR in peace.

                About the story about "whose land".
                Even your older brothers do not hesitate to write that this was an Armenian territory from sooo long ago: M.Ö. 180 yıllarında, Artsah Ermeni Krallığı'nın 15 eyaletinden biri haline geldi ve 4. yüzyıla kadar bu oluşumun içinde yer aldı. [8] Resmi olarak bir eyalet statüsüne sahipken, Artsah'ın Ermenistan'ın Syunik eyaleti gibi muhtemelen kendi başına bir prenslik oluşturduğu düşünülmektedir. [9] M.Ö. 95-55 arasında hüküm süren Ermenistan Kralı II. Dikran, kendi ismini verdiği "Tigranakert" adlı şehri Artsah'ta kurdu. [10] Hankendi'nin 48 km kuzeydoğusundaki antik Tigranakert kalıntıları, günümüzde bir grup uluslararası bilim insanı tarafından incelenmektedir.


                For comparison: Azerbaycan'ı ele geçirdi; bölgeye sahip olan ilk Türk devleti Gazneliler oldu, 1030 yılında Azerbaycan olarak anılan bölgeye girdi.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 17 July 2020 11: 42 New
                  0
                  Ivan, who do you call this "our"? Yes, and "senior"?
                  No, I understood who you are, but I am writing to you on my behalf - on behalf of a Russian, Soviet officer who arrived in Azerbaijan to serve in 1988.
                  Have you got the date?
                  So, by my arrival in Sumgait, the very events had already passed, the initiators of which were the very refugees from Armenia who were expelled from there at the turn
                  Attention!
                  1987 - 1988 - that is, in that very winter.
                  And these refugees in Azerbaijan were nicknamed "eraz", and at first they even reacted with irritation - they seriously strained the social sphere, and did not know the campaign "Azeri brothers" in what conditions these people left their homes.
                  And YOUR compatriots publicly burned Soviet passports at rallies in Yerevan in the winter of 1985. yes
                  How are we with the chronology?
                  Doesn't the shadow run over the fence?
                  So the FIRST Armenian pogrom in Sumgait (which was suppressed and martial law was introduced for the first time) was at the beginning of 1988.
                  And the exodus of Azerbaijanis from Armenia began at the end of 1987.
                  The second was the reason for the first.
                  But the very expulsion of Armenians began in January 1990.
                  Why
                  Because at the END of 1989, Armenia adopted a plan of economic development for 1990, including N. Karabakh.
                  That is, they declared N. Karabakh their territory.
                  It was then that the mutiny took place. Or a popular uprising in Azerbaijan.
                  The local first secretary was kicked out, strikes and rallies began.
                  On January 11, power was seized in the city of Lankaran.
                  January 13 - Baku was taken under the control of the so-called. People's Front of Azerbaijan.
                  And only then (!) Did the Armenian pogroms and the expulsion of Armenians from the republic begin. And all this continued until the morning of January 20, 1990, when power in Baku was restored, the rebellion was suppressed and within about a month the situation in the republic returned to normal. bully
                  Why do I remember all this so well?
                  The service obliged.
                  After all, I still served in the Intelligence and Information Center (RIC). And to us a LOT of information flowed down.
                  So tell tales to someone easier.

                  And about "your rights to the land" and "from a very long time ago" ...
                  After all, I studied ethnic history in one of my profiles.
                  So these tales are also not for me.
                  1. bulava
                    bulava 17 July 2020 12: 57 New
                    0
                    I recommend that you dig even deeper into the history of the issue, in particular, on Nakhichevan. From there, Armenians have been actively sawing out since the 1940s. Naturally, the cut-off Armenians came to the ARSSR and cut down the Azerbaijanis. They are not Russians, they will not stand it for a long time. Well, when the Bolsheviks gave Nakhichevan to Azerbaijan, the latter guaranteed that they would not touch the Armenians, but did not keep their word. And this is just an example from Nakhichevan - the primordially Armenian land.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 17 July 2020 13: 37 New
                      0
                      Eh, Armenians, Armenians ... request You should return to your own - historical lands, and not to covet someone else's. Your land is there - in Armenia. Not in the former Armenian USSR (there you also came out from under the Turks under the protection of the Russian tsar), but in the real one in modern Turkey.
                      Yes there is "For the Armenian land, for the monophysical faith!" wave a saber. You would be respected for that.
                      It would really be worthy of respect.
                      And so ... intrigues, bribery, deceit ... And life in foreign lands, in the constant inventions of "historical grounds for staying there." No.
            2. Farid Alekperov
              Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 10: 06 New
              +1
              Without any USSR or Russia, this land was ruled by Azerbaijanis for 500 years. Armenians played the role of traders and artisans, not taking part in the state. management. It was imperial Russia that relied on Christian Armenians and resettled Armenians here from Persia, and later from Turkey. All this is in the archives, in the letters of Griboyedov.
              1. bulava
                bulava 17 July 2020 10: 41 New
                -1
                And what are your arguments for this?

                Even your older brothers do not hesitate to write that this was an Armenian territory from sooo long ago: M.Ö. 180 yıllarında, Artsah Ermeni Krallığı'nın 15 eyaletinden biri haline geldi ve 4. yüzyıla kadar bu oluşumun içinde yer aldı. [8] Resmi olarak bir eyalet statüsüne sahipken, Artsah'ın Ermenistan'ın Syunik eyaleti gibi muhtemelen kendi başına bir prenslik oluşturduğu düşünülmektedir. [9] M.Ö. 95-55 arasında hüküm süren Ermenistan Kralı II. Dikran, kendi ismini verdiği "Tigranakert" adlı şehri Artsah'ta kurdu. [10] Hankendi'nin 48 km kuzeydoğusundaki antik Tigranakert kalıntıları, günümüzde bir grup uluslararası bilim insanı tarafından incelenmektedir.


                For comparison: Azerbaycan'ı ele geçirdi; bölgeye sahip olan ilk Türk devleti Gazneliler oldu, 1030 yılında Azerbaycan olarak anılan bölgeye girdi.
                1. Farid Alekperov
                  Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 11: 43 New
                  +1
                  AND? is it written here about the independent state of Artsakh or Karabakh? at the turn of the century, the Armenians colonized this region and annexed it to their kingdom as the province of Utic. Before them and after them, this province was under the control of the Persians as part of Caucasian Albania. And then, before the arrival of Russia, it was ruled by the Azeri Turks, who in turn assimilated part of the Caucasian Albanians. Until the beginning. In the 20th century, there was an Albanian Orthodox Church in Karabakh. Genetic studies of the Armenian inhabitants of Karabakh show the presence of Caucasian origin in them, much more than in other Armenians. The same applies to Azerbaijanis from Karabakh, they are more Caucasians than Turks.
                  1. bulava
                    bulava 17 July 2020 13: 22 New
                    0
                    What relation do Azerbaijanis have to Caucasian Albania?
                    1. Farid Alekperov
                      Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 13: 36 New
                      0
                      Where do you think the Albanians have gone? some became part of the Armenians of Karabakh, some converted to Islam and became Azerbaijanis, who switched to the Turkic language.
            3. Farid Alekperov
              Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 11: 30 New
              +1
              And what is primordial land? Most of the peoples once came to their lands and hai, formed in Mesopotamia (Tigris and Euphrates) are no exception. Their only advantage over the Azerbaijanis is that they formed earlier and, accordingly, assimilated the Caucasian population of Artsakh earlier than the Turks.
              1. bulava
                bulava 17 July 2020 13: 24 New
                -1
                Here you are reasoning sensibly. I'm an internationalist. I treat all nations equally. And I am not Armenian, as many write here))) Please answer my question. What is the benefit for you personally from the war and a hypothetical victory over the Armenians?
                1. Farid Alekperov
                  Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 13: 34 New
                  0
                  Not only for me, but also for the Armenians themselves, the entire population of the region will be of great benefit: the borders will open, the Azerbaijani peasants will return to their lands, agriculture will rise significantly, the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh will link with the rest of Azerbaijan. The Bolsheviks were not stupid when they decided to leave Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan. From a purely economic and geographic point of view, Karabakh is connected by transport routes primarily with Azerbaijan, and not with Armenia. Cities in ruins such as Agdam will be reborn again. I'm not even talking about the tourism industry.
                  1. bulava
                    bulava 17 July 2020 14: 32 New
                    -1
                    And where will you put the Armenians from this territory? Maybe change then - you give them Nakhchivan, and they give you Karabakh. It will be fair.
                    1. Farid Alekperov
                      Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 15: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: bulava
                      And where will you put the Armenians from this territory?

                      Let their international observers guard if they do not trust us.
                      Quote: bulava
                      Maybe change then - you give them Nakhchivan, and they give you Karabakh. It will be fair.

                      The Armenians will not live in Nakhichevan. As well as in Kars and other regions of Eastern Turkey. The climate is not the same, the conditions are not the same. Armenians prefer to live in sunny California or at worst in Sochi)
                      1. bulava
                        bulava 17 July 2020 16: 33 New
                        -1
                        and this is their choice, where to live. We are now talking about historical justice. And by the way, and now in Azerbaijan there is some kind of land shortage? Can't tourism develop without Karabakh? Somehow it’s all far-fetched. Yes, you recognize the NKR and restore the message, go into the economy, invest. Are you investing in Georgia? Now much is decided not by rockets and mines, but by competent investments. Look at the example of the Chinese.
                    2. Farid Alekperov
                      Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 15: 15 New
                      0
                      I wrote in another topic and will repeat it again. All this confusion with Karabakh began in 87, because according to all the forecasts of demographers, in a few decades, the ratio of Armenians and Azerbaijanis in Karabakh would have changed in favor of the latter. And then the Armenians would no longer have any chances to declare about "miatsum". According to the 1950s census. in Armenia lived about 2.9 million people, and in Azerbaijan 4.5 million. Now, 70 years later, the figure in Armenia is still 2.9, and in Azerbaijan there are already about 10 million. Well, the Armenians do not want to live in their homeland. And their birth rate is much lower.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 16 July 2020 11: 27 New
        +3
        Apparently Pashinyan and Aliyev simultaneously decided on a small victorious war

        Unlikely. If these were resolved, and even more synchronously, there would have been larger-scale hostilities at least several years ago in Karabakh. These are rather some smaller graters.
    2. sanya
      sanya 16 July 2020 10: 59 New
      10
      There are not two sides to the conflict, but much more
      Iran wants to punish Azerbaijan for providing its territory for a hybrid war against Iran
      Armenian leadership solves domestic problems
      Turkey creates tension for Russia in the Caucasus to be able to bargain in Syria and Libya
      Azerbaijani leadership solves internal and external problems the same
      And this is only the first round :))
    3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 July 2020 12: 21 New
      0
      IMHO here Turkish ears stick out, hi
      1. bayard
        bayard 16 July 2020 14: 41 New
        0
        Well no ... No. ... English. bully
        This handwriting cannot be confused with anything.
    4. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 16 July 2020 13: 03 New
      -2
      The sultan of Azerbaijan is shaken by the crown of his kingdom, he needs more. Moreover, another sultan baptized the ancient Christian cathedral, climbs into Syria, Libya and Karabakh also does not mind climbing. Only everyone knows the story. If you are fighting on 2 or more fronts. then you will end up like Schicklgruber with a bullet in the forehead under the ground, or they will be torn to shreds on the street as the former Sultan of Libya, also, let's face it, who wanted more ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 July 2020 10: 35 New
    +7
    On the border of Armenia and Azerbaijan fights resumed
    Not surprising. Yesterday, the Turkish Defense Minister made a provocative statement in support of Azerbaijan and openly pushed for further confrontation. Obviously, statements of this kind raise "morale" and clearly not set up negotiations.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 16 July 2020 13: 06 New
      +1
      With Syria, NATU did not work against the Russian Federation. He thinks he will give NATO a ride with Armenia, and there is a Russian base and it will not just sit there if the Azr troops with the Turks suddenly break through and rush into the depths. There was something similar in Georgia. Also Turks and NATA warmed Sahaki's soul, and the result? I had to get to Tbilisi, it was not far ...
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 16 July 2020 10: 38 New
    +3
    Aliyev, with the support of Sultan Erdogan, started a small victorious war. It distracts its people from economic problems due to falling oil prices. But so far, something is not working out very well.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 16 July 2020 11: 47 New
      +1
      Vryat. If the Azerbaijanis started it, it would be more likely in Karabakh. Why should they fight on the Armenian border, and why should they?
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 16 July 2020 11: 51 New
        -1
        Probably, everything will grow out in Karabakh and it is still just beginning ... We are following the development of events.
    2. iouris
      iouris 16 July 2020 23: 24 New
      0
      Quote: El Dorado
      Aliyev with the support of Sultan Erdogan

      I don’t think Aliyev is the initiator. It seems that someone organized a problem for him (it seems, is there an election in Baku?), So the situation may at least temporarily become poorly managed.
      I explain to the information warriors (propagandists) that sooner or later every war ends in negotiations and peace. But before this comes disruption.
  • iouris
    iouris 16 July 2020 10: 38 New
    0
    The hut is set on fire from four corners. Someone hoping to find the fifth corner?
    Here we must use power, but where can we get it?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 July 2020 10: 59 New
    +2
    To end the war, it is necessary to check the legality of obtaining citizenship by Armenians and Azerbaijanis. In Moscow, gather representatives of the diasporas, put them in one restaurant and not let them out until they make a joint award statement. At this time, ban money transfers for technical reasons in Baku and Yerevan. Everything will calm down in a week.
  • Dimon71
    Dimon71 16 July 2020 11: 00 New
    +1
    Destroyed Azerbaijani drones are on the net. Hebrew shot down Osa AKM; I don’t know the rest. The tank may have been burned. There are shots as Armenians ironing the fortified areas of Azerbaijanis it is clear that the earth is not easy to fly apart with logs! Aliyev announced that it was he who gathered a rally in Baku at which they shouted Glory to Aliyev. Army glory. Etc. as well as he (Aliyev) said that there were right-wingers at the rally on the martyrs' alley. the question is, were they shouting the Glory of Armenia there? What kind of editors !!!!!
    1. Shimshon
      Shimshon 16 July 2020 15: 22 New
      0
      which drone?
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 July 2020 11: 23 New
    +2
    Shevchenko yesterday released a video on this subject ... in short, Karabakh has nothing to do with it, but, in fact, a hidden gas war between Russia (Armenia) and Turkey (Azerbaijan)
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 July 2020 11: 48 New
    +3
    It’s bad, everything is very bad. Do not wait for the conflict to fade out, if the State Department makes a statement now, then the development option is oh, as possible
    1. Livonetc
      Livonetc 16 July 2020 11: 56 New
      +5
      Development, if any, will be without the overwhelming success of either side.
      There are many such conflicts in the world.
      We are troubled in this conflict because both sides are our neighbors, allies and former fellow citizens.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 July 2020 12: 01 New
    +2
    In the morning hours of July 16, the Armenian Armed Forces again tried to attack units of the Azerbaijani army in the direction of the Tovuz district of the state border. There are no casualties among the civilian population.
    So you're lying. request
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 17 July 2020 08: 21 New
      0
      I've been wary too. How so ?! On building early in the morning, the D-30s work and there are no losses .... Poop bullets?
      Did the journalists see the D-30 battery work?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 17 July 2020 08: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Kerensky
        Did the journalists see the D-30 battery work?

        Zyaya. Dangerously. "The snow will fall into the head, you will be completely dead" repeat Vakh, one khanum in the bazaar, said exactly what she saw !. negative
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 17 July 2020 14: 22 New
          0
          Everything .. everything that was laid out "on the ground" must be shot. I don't know how it is now (correct if I'm lying), but 4x5 = 20 (D-30 battery) and 6x6 = 36 (81 mortars). Did the journalists identify or hear it at the bazaar ?!
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 16 July 2020 12: 13 New
    0
    Quote: AzeriDefense
    with one faith


    Your faith is not one.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 16 July 2020 12: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: AzeriDefense
    but with the will of Peter


    Let us not focus on fakes. Recognized fakes.
  • yfast
    yfast 16 July 2020 12: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: El Dorado
    It distracts its people from problems in the economy due to falling oil prices. But so far, something is not very successful.

    Why it doesn’t work, their morale has already risen, something else will rise.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 16 July 2020 12: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: bulava
    The people who have been hawking this nonsense about the "enemies of the Armenians" are surprising.

    For twenty years, he was told by the Heydarych that they would destroy a couple of trifles in Armenia, well, people believed their field marshal, and when they got it by the horns, they were suddenly dumbfounded how it could happen. In vain, the Heydarych obeyed Erdogan and got involved in this adventure.
  • Kurva18
    Kurva18 16 July 2020 12: 46 New
    +2
    Azerbaijan will lose again, even arm it with superfood weapons. More or less literate people trade in Russia, and the rest are just out of luck.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 13: 11 New
      +5
      Given how many weapons he acquired over the past 10 years, Azerbaijan’s loss is not worth the wait.
  • Stavros
    Stavros 16 July 2020 12: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: AzeriDefense
    If we have the Sultanate, then you have Mr. Putin a democratic president?)))))) Or maybe the tsar is the father of all Russia?

    The whole difference is that in Russia it is not yet known who will come to power, unlike your country where the candidates are already known, the first candidate is Mehreban Khanum and the second little Heydarchik.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 16 July 2020 12: 51 New
    +1
    After reading the comments I notice that the Armenians are not visible, but there are a lot of their ardent neighbors with whose words the Armenians are just monsters. I can’t pretend to say which of the two is more bloodthirsty, but in my life I understood one thing:
    Driving for a fight will not provoke a fight, try to laugh it off or pass by.
    Azerbaijan is several times larger than Armenia in terms of population, has a stronger economy, and a larger, better equipped army, has support from Turkey (at least in words).
    Why will Armenia provoke such hemorrhoids for itself?
    1. raki-uzo
      raki-uzo 16 July 2020 15: 40 New
      -2
      Armenia!? Yes, what kind of Armenia. Armenia without the support of Russia and chickens cannot breed. These are all the work of Russia.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 16 July 2020 16: 09 New
        0
        To fight with Azerbaijan and at the same time with Turkey if possible? This is a kirdyk to the south stream and much more. Explain how you came to this conclusion?
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 17 July 2020 23: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Herman 4223
          To fight with Azerbaijan and at the same time with Turkey if possible? This is kirdyk south stream and much more. Explain how you came to this conclusion?

          ===
          how to say war requires resources
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 17 July 2020 23: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Herman 4223
      Azerbaijan is several times larger than Armenia in population, has a stronger economy, and a large, better equipped army,

      ===
      I will add that the Armenians fight better. and Azerbaijanis are not Turks. and the latter are not so hot what warriors, despite their successes in Libya
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 18 July 2020 00: 00 New
        0
        Motivation, order, numbers, equipment. Four keys to success, the last two are for Ayzerbojan, about the first it is difficult for me to say so it would be subjective. The best scenario is so that it does not come to war, Russia does not need war, but we will have to disentangle it.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 18 July 2020 00: 07 New
          0
          Quote: Herman 4223
          Motivation, order, numbers, equipment. Four keys to success, the last two are for Ayzerbojan, about the first it is difficult for me to say so it would be subjective. The best scenario is so that it does not come to war, Russia does not need war, but we will have to disentangle it.

          ===
          motivation - quickly passes, as well as their quick temper, there is order (?) - it is loudly said, and somehow unusual, the number - yes, equipment - yes. but that doesn't make them good tough warriors. yes there will be successes, but temporary. the Turks also did well with joysticks in their hands, but before the first well-prepared response
  • Pytnik
    Pytnik 16 July 2020 15: 37 New
    0
    Quote: Lek3338
    How much do you say UAVs shot down?)) That's how it happens and not your tales of the Armenian radio. Armenian X-55

    So it happens the other way around, and compare the price of your UAV and Armenian
    1. Farid Alekperov
      Farid Alekperov 17 July 2020 11: 53 New
      -2
      Roller-gluing, on the first part until 0:26 a civil plane for some reason) Such a good "proof" without debris)
      1. Pytnik
        Pytnik 17 July 2020 12: 25 New
        +1
        it’s not a bit visible that this is a civilian aircraft) I understand, it's a shame, but the Armenians have air defense laughing
  • os9165
    os9165 16 July 2020 19: 48 New
    +1
    One thing can be said: for Russia, everything is very bad.
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    1. bulava
      bulava 17 July 2020 00: 01 New
      0
      I also played Sudden Strike. Good game.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 17 July 2020 00: 09 New
        0
        Quote: bulava
        I also played Sudden Strike. Good game.

        Play next, this is a game for adults
        1. bulava
          bulava 17 July 2020 00: 12 New
          0
          And you lose in it)
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 17 July 2020 00: 13 New
            0
            Quote: bulava
            And you lose in it)

            Hope dies last ))
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  • genisis
    genisis 17 July 2020 02: 02 New
    +3
    The analyst is the level of God. It’s immediately obvious that you are specifically “in the subject”))) By the link that I will give you below, you can go to the Azerbaijani website, where you can see firsthand that the clashes of the Armenian Armed Forces with the Azerbaijani Armed Forces long ago before Pashinyan became the prime minister of Armenia. Moreover, the site appeared only in 2014, so the cases on it have been collected since 2014.
    If you really want to understand something in what is happening, and not to invent English, American, Australian, and God knows what other ears, you can continue the search in earlier years. You will be surprised how many provocative actions Azerbaijan arranged on this site, “strategic” from your point of view, for itself.
    Here is the link https://istiglal.com/tag/bird/
    Let me open another curtain for you. In the ongoing exacerbation, Nikol Pashinyan does not at all take an active part in the military unit of the ongoing confrontation, relying entirely on his defense and general defense. But the Minister of Defense of Armenia - David Tonoyan, really shows firmness and adherence to the promise made earlier to him, to punish the Azerbaijani ascetic for its provocations, as harshly as possible. And a little more, for the fans of the “world English conspiracy”, the fighting takes place in the zone of responsibility of the 3rd Army Corps of the Armenian Armed Forces. It is led by Grigory Khachaturov, the son of that same Yuri Khachaturov.
  • bulava
    bulava 26 July 2020 22: 23 New
    0
    Well, with this "help" you will definitely return Karabakh:
    The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) oversees the participation of Ukrainian nationalists in the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict on the side of Azerbaijan. This was announced at a briefing on July 24 by the official representative of the People's Militia (NM) of the unrecognized Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) Yakov Osadchy. The recording of the briefing is available on YouTube.