In India, pay attention to the "Octopus-SDM1" for a possible confrontation with Chinese tanks Type 15

Government of India Decides to Place Light Purchase Order tanksthat could be used in the highlands. In the Indian media, such an order is associated with the difficulties that have arisen in the cross-border relations with China in the region of Ladakh.

It is noted that light tanks can enhance the military component on the border with China, as they "have greater maneuverability in comparison with the main battle tanks of the Indian Armed Forces."

It is added that India’s deployment of light tanks in Ladakh could be a response to the emergence of the Chinese Type 15 in the region. These are light tanks from NORINCO, which were initially positioned by the PRC as tanks capable of operating effectively in mountain conditions. The combat weight of the tank is about 34 tons, while the tank is equipped with a 1000-horsepower engine. He is able to develop speed on the highway to 70 km / h.

The Indian media, referring to the military command, note that the armed forces intend to get tanks that could be transported through the air with the possibility of their landing using special parachute systems. It was added that such armored vehicles of "high mobility" would allow "to quickly respond to aggression in hard-to-reach areas."

As noted in India itself, placing an order for the purchase of light tanks is one thing, and buying such tanks is another. An American promising model is under development, buying from China is definitely not an option. In this situation, in India, they are paying attention to the Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled anti-tank gun (modernization of the Sprut-SD). About this writes the Indian Economic Times. This is an armored vehicle with a combat weight of up to 20 tons. So far it is in service exclusively with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

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[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

It's better not to use tanks in the mountains

[Pereira]

This is surprising, but practice has shown that floating tanks are needed in the mountains.
If I had spoken about it a month ago, they would have made fun of me. And now it will not work.

[Zaurbek]

There is simply no other easy .....

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Zaurbek

There is simply no other lung.

And no one to take. Only in Russia. Buy 300 pieces? Oh Indians Indians ... until the roasted cock pecks at the fifth point, everyone is bargaining, everyone is sorting out ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And no one to take.

Germans

And also at the Turkish-Indonesian consortium.
And the Americans also have a Stingray. Which was adopted in Thailand.
True, on all 105-mm guns.

[Private-K]

Quote: Spade

at the turkish-indonesian consortium

This is rubbish.

Quote: Spade

the Americans have a Stingray. Which was adopted in Thailand.

The Stingray was released in a limited edition and now the AMs have nothing to offer in this segment. They have nothing of the kind to build production lines. The new promising "light" tank is supposed to start from scratch - in the sense, with the construction of a production line, the organization of logistics from a crowd of suppliers, etc., etc.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Private-K

Stingray was released in a limited edition.

For Thailand. From scratch. And nothing done.

So there is still an offer on the market ...

[Private-K]

Quote: Spade

Quote: Private-K

Stingray was released in a limited edition.

For Thailand. From scratch. And nothing done.

So there is still an offer on the market ...

They were delivered thirty years ago!

[Lopatov]

Ну и что?
The main thing is that you can deploy production very quickly.
For example, General Danemics may provide something like ASCOD LT-105 right now. fortunately they are now riveting cars for the British on the same base.

I mean, the Americans are in the game.
And not a fact. that Cadillac would not be able to resume production if necessary.

[Yrec]

And in the mountains they rule the elevation angles of the gun.

[Private-K]

Quote: Yrec

And in the mountains they rule the elevation angles of the gun.

Yes.
And declination too.
But no one has ideals.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Yrec

And in the mountains they rule the elevation angles of the gun.

Therefore, as an option, BMP-3

[Private-K]

Swimming is a useful bonus for a lightweight BM.
But not all LMEs can swim.

+ India has other regions whose landscape implies the active use of a floating or simply light BTT - including on the border with the main avenue, Pakistan.

For India, the purchase of Russian Octopus-SDM and other cars on this base is very useful. Moreover, it is necessary to purchase in bulk - 500-1000 pcs. of which half are light tank destroyers (call them whatever they want).
Moreover, localization may include additional protection, including NDZ.

[Pavel57]

You can remove buoyancy and increase armor. Experience - BMP-2D.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

in the mountains it’s better not to use tanks ..... pralna, in such places there are such hardy people, Sherpas. Duc here a couple of dozen Sherpas for a couple of rupees, I hired you and the tank

[il-z]

How / why do not charge the Sherpa, he still will not shoot, well, shooting with a Sherpa also does not make much sense ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

like .... one sherpa pulls up to 80 kg in the mountains without problems, so if 10 snouts, we get five Cornets, and by that five 60 UR to it, well, there are variations. .... agree, this exceeds even the ammunition load of the tank, and in the mountains it’s much more maneuverable

[svp67]

Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn

It's better not to use tanks in the mountains

And in general, it’s better not to live there ...
It is ridiculous to hear this from a person from the Golden Horn Bay, surrounded by mountains, albeit not high and called hills, but mountains ...

[Revolver]

Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn

It's better not to use tanks in the mountains

Tanks in the mountains do not fight ... Tanks in the cities do not fight ... Tanks with tanks do not fight ... Why, one wonders, are they needed?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Why. Is asked. do you need them? ........ Well, you are burning Nagant ... but what about tank biathlon without tanks ... it turns out like in the Klinsky song .... "without a can, we are in a pub like a sprinter without a leg, like a handless masturbator, like a military man without badges ... not ... tanks are needed all sorts of different ... and, seriously, how to play tanks if they forget about them !!!!

[Lopatov]

Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn

It's better not to use tanks in the mountains

In principle, it is possible.
But difficult.
We'll have to replace the tanks with artillery, both self-propelled and towed.
Given that the guns have worse protection, they will have to bear additional losses.
But for the sake of an idea can one tolerate?

[Mavrikiy]

The Indian government decided to place an order for the purchase of light tanks that could be used in the highlands.

Think .... The right machine from the right supplier.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

36 pcs in 26 years ..... so this is a break-in technique, that is, they made a break-in and then, if necessary, an octopus waxes anti-tank. and many tanks were the opponents with which the USSR and the Russian Federation tanks? all sorts of things were enough for spirits in Afghanistan, in Chechnya as well, in South Ossetia as well. in Transnistria, too, because the meaning of the mobile airborne descent Octopus was to strengthen the anti-tank capabilities of the landing and with the advent of Nona, the need for it generally disappeared

[bayard]

"Nona" - a mortar and a howitzer in one bottle, it is better not to go out on the tank with a direct attachment.
The "Sprut" has a tank gun - for direct fire. Can fire rockets. Long away .
And on its own. Under armor (albeit anti-shatter).
"Octopus" is light, it is much easier to drag it on a trailer into the mountains.
Well, if the Indians want to parachute him into the mountains ... it's up to you.
But I like the course of their military thoughts in terms of procurement.
Voentorg opens the door.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

but they like the course of their purchases ...... yeah, they bought so much trash that they don’t know what to do with it. ..... The octopus has 100 mm. and from the nominal value of UR KUV Brass knuckles is not so powerful ..... and Nona's face value be healthy. including active-reactive ammunition which it’s possible to set direct fire without problems, and there are correctable and controlled ones .... it’s more efficient to drag Nona than Octopus into the mountains

[bayard]

The Sprut has a NORMAL 125 mm tank gun.
For direct fire.
"Nona" is good (very good) just as a howitzer and a mortar - for shooting from closed positions and throwing over a mountain.
Both are useful in the mountains.
If the Indians want to buy more and "Nona", I will only FOR.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

At an octopus .... a 125 mm tank gun ..... yes, I’m calling. confused it with rapier ... but radish horseradish is not sweeter .... the main trick is that the octopus cannot conduct flank firing with classic ammunition above 16 degrees horizontally from the direction of movement. only SDs that have minimal recoil when fired, that is, on mountain roads this will create problems, unlike Nona ... well, as a whole. why not sell this stuff !!! turkeys like Plyushkin. dragging all the necessary and unnecessary

[bayard]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

The main feature is that the octopus cannot conduct flank firing with classic ammunition above 16 degrees horizontally from the direction of travel

Why should he? Its trick is DIRECT fire at a very long distance. To defeat the enemy's TANKS - the very thing. But it is precisely for this - to counter Chinese tanks, and they want to acquire it. And for the "Nona" hanging and throwing light, just the thing - in a pair they will not have a price at all.
And certainly "Octopus" is not rubbish, but an anti-tank self-propelled gun capable of both landing and overcoming water obstacles. And two of them can easily fit into an ordinary Il-76 - and not necessarily with a parachute, but simply for emergency airlift.
TWO LIGHT TANKS in one medium-duty transport aircraft!
And he has combat functionality, with the exception of armor protection, as in GOOD MBT.
So it is good to scare away buyers - let them take more, and even "Nona" (or "Vega") to boot. There will be two "shaitan machines" to scare the Chin people.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Yes, why did he need this? .... the impression that you have not seen the mountain roads ..... this is not a flat desert for you and not the Kursk steppe. this is a looping thread. and very narrow. and there will be no frontal attacks. but flanking fire is easy. and that you will instead of continuing to move making it difficult for the enemy to aim and not obstruct the course of the column, you will turn around stopping the entire column and start your well-aimed shots ... come to your senses ... flank shooting is the salvation .... in the mountains it was like that is and will be so
2. IL-76 in two pieces ......... and at least 50 ... in the Himalayas, and even more so in the Himalayas, only a nerd can combat equipment. ..for example, the generals of the territory of U (former Ukraine) ......
3..and why did you think that I scare buyers away. I strongly support the turnover ... you can get rid of unnecessary equipment for money

[bayard]

I saw the mountains, and not only the Crimean ones. But the Indians in these mountains live and fight regularly / constantly with the same Pakistan. They also dragged the T-90 into the mountains in order to fire on the opposite slope / ridge, and they really like the fact that the T-90 also fires a long-range missile. It’s not fiddling with a cannon, and the crew is protected (in the case of the Octopus from shrapnel) and the maneuver can be done almost instantly.
And the Chinese are not at all stupid if they designed their new light tanks just for the mountainous terrain - it is easier for a light tank in the mountains.
And to protect / cover from flanking fire on the march there are other vehicles in the convoy - the same BMPs, armored personnel carriers, but at least put the ZUShka on the body ... or "Nona" - this barrel will pull up.
Each weapon has its own niche.
The Chinese dragged their tanks into the highlands. It is difficult for the Indians to drag their heavier ones there - not every mountain road is safe for MBT, and there is less air there - the engine power drops.
You shouldn't consider them as idiots - they live in these mountains and fight regularly. If they decide that they need a light tank for the highlands, then they really need it. And over the Chinese, he has an advantage in the weapon.
Serious.
And they simply have nowhere else to take a similar tank.

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.IL-76, two pieces ......... yes at least 50 ... to drop in the mountains and even more so in the Himalayas, only a nerd can.

I talked about airlift, and not about landing in the mountains - from an airfield to an airfield in the theater of operations, for the sake of efficiency. And the fact that one Il-76 can take two of these tanks is a very serious option in terms of efficiency. Until they are thrown on the ground, everything may end already - they have solid mountains, serpentines, ups and downs ... Can you imagine what it would be like to drag tanks along such squiggles on trailers?

And once again about "Octopus". This is a light tank / self-propelled anti-tank gun for the Airborne Forces - the light airborne forces of our Armed Forces. They are being transferred by aviation. For MBT only "Ruslan" is needed, and no more than 2 per board. And the Octopus and the Il-76 will take two pieces on board ... and at least sit on the ground. And it will dramatically increase the fire and anti-tank capabilities of the landing. And it will overcome the water barrier.
Where MBT simply will not be and cannot be by definition.
This is a special tool.
And the Indians decided that they needed him.
This is very beneficial for our industry, because the native Ministry of Defense buys them a teaspoon a year, and the capacities must be loaded - people work for them.
And the treasury needs money, because the coronavirus and the shutdown of the economy.
In short, everyone will be happy.

Especially if the "Nona" is also ordered.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Once again I repeat .... I do not mind pushing the necessary technique to the turkeys. moreover, it does not depend on me .. but my personal opinion is that Nona’s supplies would be more useful both to the Volgograd Plant and Instrument Making. it’s quite possible to get something new with the proceeds. well, and all the more so as turkeys are closer to heart than Maozedunians, and in the foreseeable future. but not in the foreseeable. the future is not going to fight with us. and the little yellow nimble little men very willingly look at the Far East. abruptly than geisha on smokers

[Pereira]

We must do it ourselves so as not to depend on anyone. They don’t need much time. Not more than 40 years.

[Zaurbek]

They did Arjun 1-2

[5-9]

Ohhh ... They'd better not do it ..

[Victor_B]

The choice is not bad.

[ork_333]

India, in my opinion, is the most "vinaigrette" country in terms of armaments. Collect weapons and equipment from different countries. I wonder how they manage to dock all this wealth together in service and mate. provision? Is it really that easier than buying according to some one standard?

[Pereira]

Apparently, everything is fine. Again, the more people are employed in supply, the less unemployment in the country ...

[Grazdanin]

Erroneous opinion. They have no vinaigrette. In one class there are 2 types of equipment, from 2 countries, this is very reasonable. In China, a terrible vinaigrette, dozens of types of tanks are the same.

[Graz]

they are afraid to depend on 1 stavchik, in order to be able to maneuver in international affairs, and so that they will not be blocked from supplying arms and technology in case of disagreement

[mojohed2012]

Russia (to tell the truth that it itself produces all the key samples of equipment and weapons) also, if you look closely, has a "vinaigrette" composition of land samples of equipment.
Some minds in the 2000s thought in the future to transfer all tracked counterparts to a new armature-type chassis, but began to upgrade the T-72, 80, 90.
They wanted to deploy the new Bumerang armored personnel carriers, but still supply the armored personnel carriers 80 with different equipment.
Aircraft, too, is such a variety.
In general, we have better weapons with weapons in India, but the supply of new equipment to the troops in multiple quantities is long overdue. It’s only with a 1-year conscription service that, in addition to the contractors for all this equipment, the problem is to prepare trained personnel and form at least some combat-ready reserve.

[Revolver]

Quote: mojohed2012

It’s only with a 1-year conscription service that, in addition to contractors for all this equipment, the problem is to prepare trained personnel and form at least some combat-ready reserve.

Well, to master the AK-47 and RPG-7, and a lot of years. You don't need to teach footcloths, socks go with ankle boots. And everything that is more serious has evolved so that a conscript "from the plow" and in 2 years really cannot be trained. Even if you teach, in 10 years this training will be worthless, technologies will go far ahead. The time for large conscript armies is coming to an end.

[7,62x54]

Hindus must learn from the Hussites. Men in skirts with light weapons give a light to the Saudis.

[mojohed2012]

Hussites in general often do things that you can never imagine with their real capabilities.
But they use ambushes, raids, shelling of Saudi mercenaries and soldiers with equipment in the bare desert, which can even take some experience.

[voyaka uh]

Nobody has taken it seriously yet.
ISIS also "worked miracles": it smashed the Iraqi regular army and took big cities by storm. Until he got everyone with his lawlessness. Several "visiting" brigades of regular armies (including Russia) gathered and piled on ISIS so that it dissolved.
Husites are also piled up when they become insolent from their successes.

[Pereira]

We all hope that the Husites will have time to pile on neighbors before the Americans will deal with their blacks.
And certainly Russia will not intervene.
Unless we later send advisers to Husitam, to develop new rocket technology.

[voyaka uh]

"And certainly Russia will not interfere" ///
---
Do not promise
Saudi Suddenly wants to buy 10 billion weapons in Russia.
How will you refuse?
And they will say: "We will buy, and you will help us to kill the Houthis. With your own weapon."
And the VKS, along with all kinds of special forces and PMCs, will dig these Hussites into the ground, just like the Ishilovites.

[Pereira]

By intervention, I mean the physical. Our weapons are already in the UAE. BPP-3 are fighting in Yemen.
Weapons, by the way, can be sold in different ways.
Recall how Ethiopians and Eritreans sold planes at the same time. Only Eritreans without ammunition.
Regarding HP, the Saudis have enough Sudanese. You can catch a lot of them.

[Revolver]

Sobsno, if turkeys are willing to pay a normal price, why not sell? Moreover, unlike the Chinese, turkeys will not produce pirated copies. If they want to produce something, they honestly buy a license.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Nagan

Moreover, unlike the Chinese, turkeys will not produce pirated copies.

They want to release non-pirate ones. And for the same price you will have to share technologies without fail.
So there is not much difference.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Spade

And for the same price you will have to share technologies without fail.
So there is not much difference.

The difference in the number and, accordingly, the total amount of the contract.

[Yuriy77]

And the reserve of permissible mass, that is, the chassis of the Octopus? We'll have to hang the blocks of dynamic protection because he is generally naked!

[Revolver]

From bullets and fragments, and what is protected. And from more serious things the best defense is a cannon.

[Klingon]

Why do Indians in the mountains need tanks? it is better to buy anti-tank systems of different types, there is a "chrysanthemum" just on a light chassis, quite nimble, and there are a bunch of portable anti-tank systems from Cornets to Spike, in addition, there are also helicopters

[Revolver]

Quote: Klingon

besides there are helicopters

Just helicopters high in the mountains do not feel the best way. Both the power of the motors and the bearing capacity of the propeller immediately fall. But he needs to not only drag himself, but also a bunch of everything hanging, and actively maneuver, so as not to pose as a target for everything, including the shooter and RPG.

[Klingon]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Klingon

besides there are helicopters

Just helicopters high in the mountains do not feel the best way. Both the power of the motors and the bearing capacity of the propeller immediately fall. But he needs to not only drag himself, but also a bunch of everything hanging, and actively maneuver, so as not to pose as a target for everything, including the shooter and RPG.

oh well, Kamov in the mountains showed himself perfectly due to the coaxial scheme. The Ka-50 was being tested in the Caucasus, and the Ka-52 is the same. nearly