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The timing of the transfer to the Navy of the corvette project 20380 "Retivy"

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The timing of the transfer to the Navy of the corvette project 20380 "Retivy"

Corvette "Retivy" project 20380 will be transferred to the Russian Navy next year. It is reported by Mil.Press FlotProm, citing a source in the shipbuilding industry.


The delivery term of the Retivy corvette, the construction of which continues at the Severnaya Verf shipyard, is 18 months

- cites the publication of the word source.

Corvette is the fifth corvette of project 20380, built at the Northern Shipyard. Previously, the name "Retive" was a patrol ship of project 1135, decommissioned in 1995. As Nikolai Evmenov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, previously stated, after completion afloat, the "Retivy" will go to serve in the Black Sea Fleet, although the Baltic was previously called the corvette's duty station.

From the previous corvettes of Project 20380, the Retivy differs mainly in installation on the new Zaslon multifunctional radar complex with the placement of fixed antennas in a tower-like superstructure, similar to the corvettes of project 20385.

The corvette was laid down on February 20, 2015, on October 04, 2017, the formation of the hull was completed, and on March 21, 2018, the loading of engines and gearboxes in the fore engine room was completed. Derived from the boathouse on December 25, 2019, launched on March 12, 2020.

Corvettes of project 20380 are designed for operations in the near sea zone of the state, to combat surface ships and submarines of the enemy; for artillery support of naval landing during naval landing operations by launching missile and artillery attacks on ships and vessels at sea and bases; to patrol the area of ​​responsibility with a view to blocking.

Displacement standard 1800 tons, total 2220 tons. The length is the largest 104,5 meters, width 13 meters, maximum draft 7,95 meters. Maximum speed 27 knots. Cruising range up to 4000 miles.

The main armament is the Uran 2X4 anti-ship missile system, and the Caliber or Onyx from the eighth ship. Also in service with the Redut air defense system, the Pak-NK anti-submarine system, the A-100 190-mm gun mount, two 14,5 mm machine-gun mounts and two DP-64 anti-sabotage grenade launchers. There is a hangar for the Ka-27 helicopter.
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  1. Borik
    Borik 15 July 2020 13: 44
    +5
    The fleet is waiting for him.
  2. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 15 July 2020 14: 12
    0
    About 8 years will leave from the moment of laying to the flag raising. And this is a 2 kiloton ship.
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 15 July 2020 14: 26
      +8
      Welcome.
      hi
      And this would not be critical if there was a regular bookmark, and even with the 7-year lag there was an acceptance. Annual.
      And so, ehhh crying
      I consider it a mistake (IMHO) that they stopped laying and left the project 20380 and we get a failure in the receipt of new corvettes at the exit. No 20385, 386 series disappeared, which is good, probably. I sincerely hope that they will resume bookmark 20380, all this goes according to rumors.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 15 July 2020 14: 53
        +3
        There was a fake about the contract for 10 corvettes of the project 20380 at the NEA. No more news.
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider 15 July 2020 15: 05
          +2
          There is no news, only rumors, it is a fact. But the rumors are interesting laughing , not about the Amur guys, but in general. Wait and see.
      2. venik
        venik 15 July 2020 15: 59
        +3
        Quote: Orkraider
        And this would not be critical if there was a regular bookmark, and even with the 7-year lag there was an acceptance. Annual.

        =========
        So it is in recent years - almost it is. From 2011 - each year one at a time, in this and the next it is planned for 2-3 ......
        ---------
        Quote: Orkraider
        I consider it a mistake (IMHO) that they stopped laying and left the project 20380 and we get a failure in the receipt of new corvettes at the exit.

        ========
        It seems to me that they are preparing something modified (average between 20380 and 20385). Maybe it's for the better: after all, 20380 PLOs are rather weak - only 2 x 4 "Packet-NK" (which can be recharged only at the base!) And a turntable ..... It is somehow rather weak: neither you a PLUR, nor even RBU .....
        Let's see "what all this will result in" ... request
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 15 July 2020 16: 34
          +1
          It seems to me that they are preparing something modified (the average between 20380 and 20385)

          So where is the "average"? He's already more common. Until 20385, he only lacks the UKSK.
          1. venik
            venik 15 July 2020 16: 42
            -1
            Quote: alexmach
            So where is the "average"? He's already more common. Until 20385, he only lacks the UKSK.

            ========
            Well it's all just systems weapons concerns - and so, on 20385 electronics is much more complex and expensive, than on the 380th. There, in essence, the "frigate filling" - that's why the cost came out comparable to pr. 11356, which actually did not suit the military ...
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 15 July 2020 16: 45
              -2
              E .. m .. What other such electronics are there?
              From the previous corvettes of Project 20380, the Retivy differs mainly in installation on the new Zaslon multifunctional radar complex with the placement of fixed antennas in a tower-like superstructure, similar to the corvettes of project 20385.

              The radar is the same (and this is, as I understand it, the largest and most expensive part of the "electronics"). They all probably have the same BIUS. What other electronics can they differ, so what would significantly influence the price?
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 15 July 2020 18: 03
                0
                Quote: alexmach
                E .. m .. What other electronics there is different then ........
                What other electronics can they differ, so what would significantly affect the price?


                He is very expensive and extremely doubtful.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 15 July 2020 19: 40
                  0
                  Yes, well, I'm about the same. On the new 20380s, the Barrier also stands. And he is that super-expensive electronics 20385.
        2. Orkraider
          Orkraider 15 July 2020 18: 19
          0
          Quote: venik
          Quote: Orkraider
          And this would not be critical if there was a regular bookmark, and even with the 7-year lag there was an acceptance. Annual.

          =========
          So it is in recent years - almost it is. From 2011 - each year one at a time, in this and the next it is planned for 2-3 ......
          ---------
          Quote: Orkraider
          I consider it a mistake (IMHO) that they stopped laying and left the project 20380 and we get a failure in the receipt of new corvettes at the exit.

          ========
          It seems to me that they are preparing something modified (average between 20380 and 20385). Maybe it's for the better: after all, 20380 PLOs are rather weak - only 2 x 4 "Packet-NK" (which can be recharged only at the base!) And a turntable ..... It is somehow rather weak: neither you a PLUR, nor even RBU .....
          Let's see "what all this will result in" ... request


          Greetings!
          hi .

          According to the bookmarks - from 2016 they did not mortgage, so from 2022 there will be a failure. Years up to 26-27 in the best cases, if the next lay new corvettes.

          Yes, I agree completely, the absence of RBU turns off a number of opportunities to combat submarines. And they seemed to have added PLUR from the 8th building, if I’m not mistaken, it’s already from the UKKS.
          But in general, you are right, you need something between 20380-20385.
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 15 July 2020 23: 40
            +1
            Quote: Orkraider
            But in general, you are right, you need something between 20380-20385.
            etc.20380 - expensive and toothless for its intended purpose -PLO (!!). that is, the project was initially erroneous in the composition of the arms !!!. В 20385 this was partially corrected (thanks to the UKKS, i.e. application possibilities Missile sub), but it turned out even more expensive (!!).. What is the conclusion ?!. Maybe you should still pay attention to Zelenodolsky 11664 ?!. And compose it TTX, for specific tasks, - PLO (!!).. The presence of: - UKKS (which was already viewed there on mock-ups, for PLUR), - SJSC "Zarya-2" (for greater unification with the same 20380 already released, and price reduction in large-scale production (!)), SAM "Shtil-1" (and not "Redoubt", which raises the ship multiple valuebut being over for the most part incompetent without the Poliment antenna, which is about 22200 tons in the VI of the corvette, it is not realistic to place !!. And stop hiding your head in the sand on this topic !!!), since for corvette PLO in BMZ, functions / tasks Air defense is secondary, and the primary is just solving problems of anti-aircraft defense (!!), - it is reasonable to reduce / minimize the excess of radio-electronic equipment, - and the last, again in order to minimize the price during mass construction, consider the possibility of building such "Cheetahs" 11664, on the same GEM (!), from Kolomna diesel engines, which have already been run on 20380/385 .... (!!). ... The fact that this is all in principle possible, with minimal efforts on the part of the Zelenodolsk Design Bureau and the USC, suggests that even earlier, the first part of "Cheetah" 11661, was calculated by design, incl. and for a diesel power plant (from MTU engines). Since the hopelessness (during forced import substitution 20385), they could replace approximately the same with Kolomna diesels, then here, God himself ordered (!!). In addition, 11664 on the idea of ​​a smaller displacement (1700-2000 tons), (!!).
            Then we can get the PLO corvette, which will be lower in the price tag (approximately 14-16 billion, and not 20-24 billion !!), during the construction, which means it will get great chances to become really massive. And most importantly, with such emphasis, in terms of the composition of its armament, which is aimed primarily at anti-aircraft defense and not anti-aircraft defense capabilities, it will be much more relevant for the protection of BMZ (!!).
            Of course, I personally would also like to see (wait) the resurrection of a certain, modern analogue of project 12441 (cipher Thunder) (!). such work horses of escort missions (with a VI 2700-3200 tons), on similarly assembled "quad" diesel GEM from promising 16SD-500 (10000 hp) ... Here there will already need at least 2 x 8 UKSK, and as an air defense, already a full-fledged "Polyment-Redut" (with its own antenna !!), etc. ... As the Americans used to have a "Perry", and we have a hard worker "Petrel" ... The main warship for escort and escort additions KUG / KPUG ...
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 15 July 2020 14: 15
    11 th
    I waited an hour not to write first. I confess I was scared of the minuses - again not 70 000 tons of VI. what was the fleet of Shoigu brought to! and the news is not interesting to anyone - and aircraft carriers of 70 tons, too
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 15 July 2020 14: 18
      +7
      Quote: antivirus
      what was the fleet of Shoigu brought to!

      laughing An aircraft carrier is laid down, you will scream about squandering people's money, because an aircraft carrier is yesterday!
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 15 July 2020 14: 25
        +4
        Quote: Serg65
        about squandering people's money, because an aircraft carrier is yesterday!

        Sergey, don't be so harsh, because, "they are children". fellow laughing
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 15 July 2020 14: 28
          +2
          Yes, what severity is already here, it is already a classic of our time laughing
          Welcome Alexander hi
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 15 July 2020 14: 32
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            this is a classic of our time

            hi It is what it is. Confirmation - one floor below. yes
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 15 July 2020 14: 29
          0
          they are (we are) children. dozens of admiral-generals determine the military strategy of the Russian Federation and build-do not build aircraft carriers they clearly understand the goals-tasks-terms-consequences of such "do not build"
          but you all know better - you are "adults", not Shoigu and Gerasimov with GDP and DAM.
          propaganda in the USSR worked perfectly and for a long time it was — I wondered why the T34 had not been invented before a year and a half. but there were simply no analogues of the design, it is difficult to go ahead of the whole world + the culture of production (quality t34) was lower and now it is the same. that they could - they worked to the maximum in 39-41.
          and talking about children and demanding aircraft carriers instead of "shifted to the right" corvettes - do not respect the hands of the country and the Ministry of Defense. They messed up a lot, but still, would they have made them better?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 15 July 2020 14: 49
            0
            Quote: antivirus
            propaganda in the USSR worked perfectly

            what Then why weren’t aircraft carriers built in the USSR? Is it because ...
            Quote: antivirus
            there were simply no analogues

            Quote: antivirus
            now the same

            It is difficult to judge the culture of production in factories, which five years ago were not even in sight!
            Quote: antivirus
            talking about children and demanding aircraft carriers instead of "shifted to the right" corvettes - do not respect the hands of the country and the Ministry of Defense.

            They (you) are children only because they see only the tip of the iceberg and do not want to look at the root of the problem at all .... laughing what for? It’s not interesting for you, and it won’t bring dividends ...
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 15 July 2020 16: 21
              -1
              What is the "root" in your opinion? Am I in the wrong place? where to go?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 16 July 2020 08: 09
                0
                Quote: antivirus
                where do you need it?

                You look at the final factory, which collects the picture from the puzzles, and who makes these puzzles? At least 300 are involved in the construction of a ship of this rank ... THREE-SOT Mr. Anti-Virus !!! ... factories, a large half of these factories had to be re-created, the rest was radically reconstructed. Not only that, this plant needs new, modern equipment .. for this, again, machine-tool factories are needed ... so one ship pulls a very long chain of problems and it was necessary to solve these problems almost simultaneously!
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 16 July 2020 12: 47
                  0
                  I know a little the difference between gas cutting, laser and plasma, waterjet ..

                  the ship pulls a very long chain of problems and it was necessary to solve these problems almost simultaneously! = -

                  - does not pull, but cleans from 90-hgg crap.
                  consistently (if you only faced the last 5-10-15 years) we are moving towards a better culture of production, from 1928-1 five-year plan. and to the set of tn "competencies"
      2. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 15 July 2020 15: 32
        +7
        by the way, on aircraft carriers ...
        at SSK Zvezda dry dock is almost ready this year they plan to turn in
        1. Vadim Zhivov
          Vadim Zhivov 15 July 2020 16: 01
          +5
          And it’s amazing, What is VO about it ,,,, silence .... hi
        2. Tahtvjd2868
          Tahtvjd2868 16 July 2020 03: 28
          +1
          Zvezda has already signed a contract with Rosneft for the Rossiya icebreaker
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 15 July 2020 16: 20
        -1
        and it is yesterday’s snow - there are hypersound and FAPs + roads
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 17 July 2020 09: 07
        0
        waited for them to cool down - when the hands of the country lay down the aircraft carrier - then there will be a correct decision, without your chants - "they stole everything, sold everything, they were late." For some reason, I agree that the country is not developing according to the wishlist of bloggers, but according to the decisions of its "top"-leadership (WHAT IT IS BAD IT IS IN YOUR OPINION). Spare the memory of Zhukov GK (he obeyed the "bad" IVS and others in the Politburo).
        on the "culture of proi-va": there are no factories -300 or 700 of them were built, THERE IS A LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT PRODUCES FORCE AND PRODUCTION RELATIONS. A MAN HAVE MOVED FROM ANY OTHER PLANT AND BRINGED HIS VISION (CULTURE), "BUSINESS PROCESSES" - HOW TO MAINTAIN A WORKPLACE, etc., storage of blanks - finished parts, reporting, cleanliness and habits in a tukalette, shower, changing room, dining room.
        and the easiest thing is to wipe the shoes at the entrance to the workshop with an oiled floor? all this is more important than just machine tool restoration.
        Glan - motivation, vision of the future life of the people by the people themselves. without capital letters you may not notice
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 17 July 2020 10: 26
          0
          Quote: antivirus
          A MAN HAS BEEN MOVED FROM ANY OTHER PLANT AND BRING HIS VISION (CULTURE), "BUSINESS PROCESSES" -HOW TO MAINTAIN A WORKPLACE

          This is the problem! New factories create a shortage of personnel .. let's say a man came to a new factory and brought his vision, the team is recruited from the world on a string and mostly from people who have never worked at large enterprises. Each member of the team has his own cockroaches in his head and a bunch of ambitions in his soul, and then some person wants to build them and bring them into a divine form! Naturally, a protest arises in the immature workers' heads, moreover, against the background of this protest, informal leaders appear! The "effective manager" is here! He will still teach us the mind to reason, but he goes! And quiet sabotage begins, negatively affecting product quality and output. How to be here? How to deal with this? What motivation should there be?
          I'm not just saying this, I have come across this myself several times. Introducing a production culture is a long, painstaking process that requires strong nervous tension. One or two will not work here!
          Quote: antivirus
          without your chants - "they stole everything, sold everything, they were late."

          laughing My friend, firstly it’s not a little thing, and secondly, if there is no need for a product, then no one needs a plant producing this product! And they were late about it, I have not half a word, because I am 99% sure that there will be no full-blown won, but there will be another paid revolution, a change of regime and another ripping up of the country ..
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 July 2020 14: 26
    +3
    We build corvettes for a long time, but we build.
    Let for a long time, but they are. This alone is already pleasing and instills certain hopes for the future of the Russian Navy.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 15 July 2020 16: 36
      +1
      but we are building

      Already noted above - new corvettes have not been laid for a long time.
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 15 July 2020 18: 04
        +2
        I would like to believe that the news of ten new Amur corvettes is not fake at all.
  5. Eldorado
    Eldorado 15 July 2020 14: 27
    +1
    To be the Russian fleet! bully
  6. alma
    alma 15 July 2020 16: 45
    16
    We are waiting for the next bookmarks. Probably on the NEA.