American fighter F-35 will remain without rare earth materials

China intends to stop the supply of resources, including rare earth metals, necessary for the production activities of the American corporation Lockheed Martin. This step can cause stagnation. aviation United States industries.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Tuesday that China had decided to impose sanctions on Lockheed Martin. The reason indicated armory Washington’s deal with Taiwan, which includes, inter alia, the maintenance of PAC-3 anti-aircraft missiles, which the said company produces.

As the Chinese publication Global Times points out, the design of many key Lockheed Martin products, including F-35 fighters and Patriot missiles, is based on rare-earth materials. At the same time, the world leader in their imports to the United States is China, which occupies 80% of the US market. According to the publication, the Chinese authorities intend to "cut off" all the business ties of business with Lockheed Martin, completely excluding the corporation from the supply chain.

China-related component manufacturers and system developers may also be prosecuted for doing business with Lockheed Martin under sanctions

- explains the publication.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

China intends to stop the supply of resources, including rare earth metals, necessary for the production activities of the American corporation Lockheed Martin. This step can stagnate the United States aviation industry.

. Penguin becomes manatee?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Penguin becomes manatee?

Penguin birds proud!
Until you kick, don't fly!

[Finches]

In fact, the United States does not suffer from the absence of rare-earth metals - they just turned off their production due to the complexity and environmental hazard, though squeezing them out of the dumps a little! There are India and Australia, so a little change of partner ... but China may lose the largest market! However, if China or, especially, the United States has problems, I will not grieve at all ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Finches

But China may lose its largest market!

China is the largest producer and supplier of rare earth metals in the world. There isn’t enough word for mattresses in India, Australia and so on. And rare-earth metals are not only used in the aircraft industry without them. As much as sclerosis doesn’t matter to me, even in the production of mobile phones they have a place to be.

[Alex777]

Theoretically, something can be replaced somewhere. But expensive and troublesome.
Even the elimination of the Turks from the production of F-35 did not go smoothly.
It is not clear how China will track shipments to Lockheed Martin.
The US provides its sanctions with the control of all dollar transfers.
Although, once the Chinese announced these sanctions, it means they had prepared in advance.
But the very fact of such a serious response causes respect for China.
For many reasons.
However, the day began briskly!

[Charik]

especially since sanctions are only in newspapers so far

[Alex777]

As much as sclerosis doesn’t fail me, even in the production of mobile phones they have a place to be.

As far as you can estimate offhand - a blow to the States is very serious.

Chinese authorities intend to "cut off" all business ties with Lockheed Martin, completely excluding the corporation from the supply chain.

In fact ALL Lockheed Martin suppliers are sanctioned.
There are hundreds, if not thousands. This is Japan, and Europe, etc., etc.
The states worried that instead of their "space" microcircuits they were slipping Chinese ones.
Now it turns out that ALL chip manufacturers in the United States (and not only Taiwan, for example, will also get it) must guarantee that Lockheed Martin will not receive their products ???
5G goodbye? Space Internet?
Replacing in such an amount and for the same money - just do not find it quickly. And then there's Covid ...
It will be possible to assess the scale of what happened only after some time.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alex777

As far as you can estimate offhand - a blow to the States is very serious.

Not serious, but almost fatal.

[Alex777]

Let's look at the practice of application. So far, everything is sad for the hegemon.
And how the States will crawl now, in full view of the whole world, is not clear.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alex777

Let's look at the practice of application. So far, everything is sad for the hegemon.
And how the States will crawl now, in full view of the whole world, is not clear.

To be honest, it would not be bad for the Russian Federation to impose sanctions on some vital goods that we supply them.

[Alex777]

We do not have such goods. Unfortunately.
And all that is, on the important for the United States-does not pull.
China OS on state computers changed.
And we have Windows everywhere, as before, for a minute.
For now, we need to resolve our issues "imperceptibly".

[Charik]

titanium - maybe some uranium

[Alex777]

Uranus - yes. The thing is important. Ours is the best in price.
But this is something like the last trump card in the sleeve.
Titan is no longer needed by Boeing. He baked himself.

[Nikolai Korovin]

That's the company of sadness - loaded and loaded titanium, and now you have to load the iron.

[Alex777]

To be honest, it would not be bad for the Russian Federation to impose sanctions

IMHO, China, in this situation, works for Biden.
And this is Biden for us .... Well, you understand everything yourself.
What solutions the Chinese have planned for themselves - we do not know.
At one time, Japan was flattened for 3 months, and then moved away.

[Charik]

who has a conscience? -pockets more important

[Pavel57]

You can’t introduce sanctions on titanium.

[eklmn]

“To be honest, it would not be bad for the Russian Federation to impose sanctions on some vital goods that we supply them.”
To pick up or not to issue foreign passports to young Russian talents - in California, Seattle, their darkness is dark! And all with ideas!
Here the delivery will stop !!!

[eklmn]

“So far, everything is sad for the hegemon.”
In fact, the congress had long foreseen such a situation and began to prepare.
Article for April 2020.
“Does the US need China for rare earth minerals?” Not for long, thanks to this grief ”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimvinoski/2020/04/07/the-us-needs-china-for-rare-earth-minerals-not-for-long-thanks-to-this-mountain/#53fed63a28b9
“The COVID-19 crisis exposed a number of negatives from the Chinese repressive regime. There have already been many complaints before the pandemic, but the coronavirus seems to increase pressure on American companies to reduce their dependence on Chinese resources ”....
“In that case, it’s an amazing fortune that in the barren plateau of the Far West, Texas, 85 miles east of El Paso, a modest mountain 1250 meters high called the Round Top promises to make America pretty much self-sufficient in these critical minerals. The mountain contains five of six light rare earth elements (such as neodymium), 10 of 11 heavy rare earth elements (such as dysprosium) and all five materials with permanent magnets. Moreover, Round Top has large lithium reserves, which is very important for batteries in electric vehicles and energy storage. ”

Here is the info from the article for May 2020:
https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/05/26/2038432/0/en/USA-Rare-Earth-Successfully-Completes-Phase-I-Rare-Earth-Separation-and-Processing-Test-Work.html
The extraction of REE is carried out according to super-modern technology (those who know chemistry and English can read it themselves in this article and maybe tell us). Preliminary tests of this technology have been carried out and “..this important stage demonstrates the ability to load and concentrate rare earth elements (REE) in the presence of high concentrations of non-REE, including other important minerals such as lithium. REE concentrations increased by more than six times with a corresponding decrease in the amount of impurities. A weak acid wash showed enhanced separation of REE from non-REE. ”
“This is an important step towards Rare Earth’s US goal of building the first rare earth and critical mineral processing plant outside of China and bringing the Round Top project to full commercial production,” said Pini Altaus, U.S. CEO of Rare Earth. “Our Colorado pilot plant will be capable of producing the full range of high purity, single rare earth elements, as well as other important minerals such as lithium.”
So you see, not everything is as sad as some would like.

Countries for the extraction of rare earth metals (in Meter.Tons):
China Mine production: 132,000 MT.
United States Mine production: 26,000 MT.
Myanmar. Mine production: 22,000 MT.
Australia Mine production: 21,000 MT.
India ...
Russia. ...

[Nikolai Korovin]

Generals from America -
You do not believe us in vain.
Will be hysterical soon
How from Lockheed U2 - at-two!

[Alex Justice]

This is a knockdown for America. Now turnips are scratched, what have they done by stupidity.

[basmach]

At one time, China had already stopped supplying rare earths to Japan. Japanese industry has not collapsed. They began to recycle old electronics and extract from it. And they still work. Again this is a very specific product. Far from mass consumption. There are not many factories in the world where they are required. (the same processes are done by 3-4 enterprises in the world, namely physical production, not development) And where will the Chinese put their product. It will go according to gray schemes. Well, not wagons. There, the bill goes to kilograms.

[post]

Quote: basmach

And where will the Chinese put their product

They will offer their plants cheaper, neighbors, there Samsung or the same Japanese. Any business chokes for profit.

[Charik]

as if the mattress did not find where to rob the rare earths — out of Africa — I don’t want to take it — South America — the same thing — that’s why they wanted to get into Venezuela

[Wildgoose]

Most of the rare earths are in North Korea, from where they happily drive wagons to China. And from China, their processed products are already flying anywhere. If you squeeze North Korea, then you can bend China to the fullest, so the struggle for S. Korea will be until the last.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Finches

but China may lose its largest market

Now yes, but in the long term the largest sales market is the market of China itself, they have a huge human resource and a significant part of the population has not reached the middle class level, which means that the development potential of the service sector is simply huge, and this, by the way, is one of the reasons why even reluctantly under US pressure, large corporations do not want to break all ties with China, on the contrary, investors are investing more and more in the economy of China and the United States can not do anything about it.

[Berber]

The economy rules everything. Therefore, the USSR collapsed, that they could not understand this. And the USA still cannot understand what we have already understood. Therefore, they use the old "levers" that acted against the USSR, but do not act against the Russian Federation.

[zwlad]

And the United States still cannot understand what we already understood.

And this is good. Let them not understand further.

[silberwolf88]

The USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the ideas of socialist development after the death of Stalin (Khrushchev and K) of the targeted influence of the West to destroy and not at all because "the economy rules" ... read the work on the basis and superstructure ... you will understand what is primary there))

[AU Ivanov.]

The USSR collapsed because ideology controlled the economy. The socialist economy was not viable.

[VO3A]

There has never been a socialist economy in the USSR ... It was a command and administrative system ... You will recall the definition of the socialist system and draw your own conclusion ...

[Thunderbringer]

Quote: silberwolf88

The USSR collapsed due to the betrayal of the ideas of socialist development after the death of Stalin (Khrushchev and Co.) the targeted influence of the West to destroy

So the West turned out to be stronger, without theories about "base and superstructure".

[orionvitt]

Quote: Finches

China may lose the largest market!

When such a cunning thing as global domination is at stake, they usually do not cry for such "little things" as sales markets. Trade is good in times of peace, but in times of confrontation, no markets exist. Moreover, with the enemy.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: orionvitt

Trade is good in peacetime, and in times of confrontation, no markets exist. Especially with the enemy.

It would be good for our fools in power to realize this truth. Despite the fact that Ukraine tirelessly spoils Russia in all directions, and on its territory mattresses are calmly and with clearly anti-Russian intentions, we do business with them. Recently resumed deliveries of gasoline and diesel fuel.

[Rostislav]

Well, "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear."

[spech]

curtailed their production due to complexity and environmental hazard

They are especially concerned about the "environmental hazard" in shale oil production.

[Kurare]

Quote: Finches

... but China may lose its largest market!

China risks losing its sales market + of course, high enough revenues from this market to punish one of the most corrupt arms manufacturers in the world from a country that imagines that its national law can be applied at the international level.

What can I say, BRAVO China!

[Polente the Wanderer]

China has much to do with rare-earth metals. Unlike us, they have well-developed industry. And the solvency of the population is also growing, which means that the domestic market will consume more.

[venik]

Quote: Finches

In fact, the United States does not suffer from the absence of rare earth metals - they just curtailed

========
Not everything is so simple: Of course, there are reserves in the states (of course, not so much):

Stocks of rare earth metals (million tons)

But with the production - in the states - full seams:

Rare earth metals production (tons per year)

[Vadim237]

This is precisely where the United States will have an incentive to mine rare earths on the moon, meteorites and asteroids in the future.

[SAG]

You have seen enough of fiction, apparently, the cost of these metals will be fabulous, this is a matter of the distant future.

[Vadim237]

There will no longer be everything for this, and there are reusable first stages and reusable cargo ships of capsule type robotic complexes and an extra-heavy rocket at the same Space and even mini-reactors of 10 kW for recharging mining robots on the lunar surface all is a matter of financing only - and considering the cost of metals and their availability on the lunar surface and their quantity there - all measures will pay off very quickly and begin to bring hundreds of billions of dollars in profit per year.

[SAG]

Once again I repeat, do not look so much fiction, it is better to read technical literature. Look at how much it costs to put 1 kg of cargo into geostationary orbit and estimate the construction of a whole mining and processing plant on the lunar surface ... Like an adult !?

[Vadim237]

One gram of Osmiya costs more than $ 20000. You will bring a ton from the Moon - you will get 20 billion - this is just one million round-trip flights from Earth costing 90 million.

[SAG]

To get 1 gram of pure omiya, you need to process millions of tons of soil ... Or do you think he is lying on the surface and waiting for him to be taken away ?!

[Vadim237]

The fact of the matter is that, like other elements on the Moon, it is present in pieces of iron meteorites that bombarded the Moon for billions of years - and there is no need to confuse earth resources on the Moon, unlike the Earth, there is no soil erosion, therefore, all this material is on the surface - therefore yes, he just lies and waits in the wings and there is no need to recycle anything there. You can search for such meteorites using magnetometers on robotic machines.

[SAG]

How many% of meteorites contain rare earth elements? How many percent of the total mass of the meteorite do they average? ... It's not even funny anymore. When you write an answer, do not forget to link to a serious source.

[Victor_B]

By controlling 90% of the world's rare earth production, you can afford a lot.
Not China declared war!
But in war - as in war!
(As far as I know, there are no "bins of the motherland" in the US, unlike Russia.)

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Victor_B

By controlling 90% of the world's rare earth production, you can afford a lot.
Not China declared war!
But in war - as in war!
(As far as I know, there are no "bins of the motherland" in the US, unlike Russia.)

Yes, but the law of nature is such, if somewhere it decreases, then somewhere it arrives. Someone will increase the supply, alas.

[SAG]

Yeah, like Fiji, Zimbabwe and the Vatican. Understand the meaning of RARE-EARTH!

[Avior]

In the States there is a large deposit of these metals, they were the main supplier to the world market, until the Chinese came out with a cheaper offer.
But for such a high-tech production is not a problem.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Avior

But for such a high-tech production is not a problem.

Time ... Time ...
And not small!

[Avior]

What time? The field is working, he needs orders

[Victor_B]

Quote: Avior

The field is working, he needs orders

1. Which field?
2. Where is it located?
3. What is the peak production?
4. What kind of rare earths?
Do not let die dark!

[Avior]

. Mountain Pass (English Mountain Pass rare earth mine) is a rare-earth metal deposit of open mining on the non-municipal territory of Mountain Pass (San Bernardino County, California). Belongs to MP Materials.

Now they need orders, the Chinese are interrupting everything.
Such a customer as the US military-industrial complex will be only happy.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Avior

. Mountain Pass (English Mountain Pass rare earth mine) is a rare-earth metal deposit of open mining on the non-municipal territory of Mountain Pass (San Bernardino County, California). Belongs to MP Materials.

Now they need orders, the Chinese are interrupting everything.
Such a customer as the US military-industrial complex will be only happy.

Well, Lockheed should be enough.
But the difference in production opportunities is enormous.
Again, how about a specific nomenclature?

[Avior]

Unless to conclude a 2 week contract.
There are about 100 thousand tons of these metals on the market, China - 80 percent, that is, not Chinese 20 thousand tons.
For example, a plane goes 100 kg, they do 200 a year, then 20 tons are needed.
Obviously, among the Chinese this is just a symbolic gesture.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Avior

For example, a plane goes 100 kg, they do 200 a year, then 20 tons are needed.

100 times less is needed per plane. Rare earth metals are used in extremely small quantities.

[Avior]

Especially.
I proceeded from the fact that, perhaps, electric motors are used with such metals.
For electronics, of course, less.

[Grazdanin]

An adequate company has a reserve of key raw materials, this is without the US national reserve. With the fact that the symbolic sign agrees. The USA has huge reserves of all natural resources, but they try not to develop them, but to buy them abroad. They are part of the national reserve and the legacy of future generations.

[neri73-r]

You forget that Lockheed not only produces airplanes, but also that the vast majority of rare earth goes to civilian products, it is not so simple. behind the rare earth there is an unspoken war.

[Avior]

In the discussion, only f-35- will affect the release?

[neri73-r]

Quote: Avior

In the discussion, only f-35- will affect the release?

It is unlikely, but the company itself, I think, will create problems. This is the goal, prick, hint.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

In the States there is a large deposit of these metals, they were the main supplier to the world market, until the Chinese came out with a cheaper offer.

We will not make guesses, wait and see.

[Nastia makarova]

usa will close production f35

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Victor_B

By controlling 90% of the world's rare earth production, you can afford a lot.
Not China declared war!
But in war - as in war!
(As far as I know, there are no "bins of the motherland" in the US, unlike Russia.)

We’ll see how much the Chinese have enough. Last year we were talking about it, then we signed a trade agreement with the USA on their terms. In fact, all they can do is simply not sell these materials in the USA. And big words about sanctions are a little PR. The USA costs at least a little fart and the Chinese GDP will collapse.
Materials will go through the laying company

[Jack O'Neill]

And here ARM is: ah, the license for the chips is not renewable. And that’s all, the Huawei and others like them will do when they can’t do their chips under license and ARM architecture? Oh, and here Samsung, Heiniks, Mikron can also stop supplying memory chips. Yes, and software licenses can also not be extended.
This is just one example, and there are many options. And then, the Chinese are not fools, they understand what it can turn into. The news is just for the look.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

The news is just for sight

Right ALL is good, sleep well, dear comrade.

[Jack O'Neill]

Right ALL is good, sleep well, dear comrade. fool

Good or not, but China itself will not do badly.
China will not sell, someone else will sell.

[KCA]

Yes, in a world full of extractive companies that dig rare earths with excavators, but the Chinese have occupied the entire market, and you have to fill up warehouses, how the Chinese will squeeze the sale, then everything is straight from the warehouses and will leave, do you think so? We at Iturup, which the yapps, the richest reserves of rhenium really want, can grab more than a third of world production, they just extract tears, well, it doesn’t work anymore, it’s hard and expensive, and everywhere, in China there is a developed extractive industry for rare earths, therefore leaders in production and sale, the rest have it too, but there is no such production, here at least 100 times more rare earths will go up in price, and for 3-5 years production cannot be accelerated

[Jack O'Neill]

Not a bad reason to invest in our production, which is not at hand for China. He does not need competitors.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

a bad reason to invest in our production,

Why should a bad reason be invested in your booty?

[Jack O'Neill]

Why should a bad reason be invested in your booty? request

To create competition in the market, for example. Plus for contribution to the development of buns, such as part of the company's shares.

[KCA]

ARM Limited, in fact, has only territorial relevance to the USA, but it belongs to the Japanese, do yapps have few problems with China? Do they still have to comb the hemorrhoids?

[Jack O'Neill]

ARM Limited, in fact, has only territorial relevance to the USA, but it belongs to the Japanese, do yapps have few problems with China? Do they still have to comb the hemorrhoids?

And what will the Chinese do to the Japanese for licensing sanctions? Nothing.

[ANB]

. And what will the Chinese do to the Japanese for licensing sanctions? Nothing.

They won’t do anything. They will simply be released without a Japanese license.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

This is just one example, and there are many options. And then, the Chinese are not fools, they understand what it can turn into. The news is just for the look.

The funny thing is that the United States scares China by banning the use of its technology, but the truth is that American corporations have not focused solely on the United States for a long time, as I read an article from Japanese sources that all business leaves China, American corporations curtail production and this Japanese publication turned to these corporations to giants to comment on this situation, some said that the information was untrue, others that they did not plan to leave the Chinese market, and others simply left the request unanswered (I don’t remember the name of the corporation, but that’s not the point ) and the fact that for the sake of profit and a huge market (in the long term) of sales, no one wants to leave China, Chinese companies will leave in their place and these American corporations will be given a black mark. Therefore, large corporations have long become global and focus only on their interests. Meanwhile, investors are investing more and more in China and foreign companies are opening new production in China:

"15.07.2020/07/06 XNUMX:XNUMX
The company is a developer of semiconductor manufacturing equipment ACM Research, Inc. (ACMR, NASDAQ) announced the opening of a pilot production in China. Thus, forecasts of the company's entry into a large market are justified, and ACM Research can become a leader in its semiconductor market segment.

In July, Ffin.ru already spoke about the growth of ACM Research stock quotes and the company's prospects in the Chinese market. The company has a popular technology for cleaning silicon wafers, which reduces the amount of marriage and thereby increases the profitability of the production of the most expensive parts of electronics. China is a leader in semiconductor production and a major business expansion for ACM Research.

Last week, ACM Research announced the start of construction through its subsidiary ACM Shanghai of a research and development facility in the Lingang Free Trade Zone, China. The production facility will be located several tens of kilometers from the Chinese headquarters of ACM Shanghai. "

[Jack O'Neill]

Some companies withdraw production in the United States (Intel, for example), and some in Taiwan, in Germany. Someone stays in China.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Some companies withdraw production in the United States (Intel, for example), and some in Taiwan, in Germany. Someone stays in China.

Withdrawing production in the USA is very expensive and very few companies will decide + it’s not known for what they’re doing, they will open a production line and it’s kind of like in the USA but in fact most of the production will be in China, this option is also possible. Yes, there are companies in Taiwan that want to go there, but Taiwan is the same China and how China will digest Hong Kong and turn its gaze to Taiwan, this is certainly not today, but within 20-30 years it may well try to return Taiwan home. But in general, to produce a product / product is not a problem, the question is who will buy it ... after the crisis of 2008, China became the main locomotive for the recovery of the world economy and in 2021 history will most likely repeat itself, even forecast the growth of the Chinese economy until the end of the year, let and not symbolic 2% but growth! In the United States, according to the most optimistic forecasts, the decline will be 5,5% by the end of the year) and it may turn out that the United States will leave a completely different state from an economic point of view after a pandemic, depending on how quickly the US economy recovers in 2021 and if much depends on recovery. (with big debts and low purchasing power). And China, on the contrary, will gain momentum .... so time will tell).

[Jack O'Neill]

Withdrawing production in the USA is very expensive and very few companies will decide + it’s not known for what they’re doing, they will open a production line and it’s kind of like in the USA but in fact most of the production will be in China, this option is also possible.

Big players just move, especially American ones.
Plus, there is still state support for the transfer of production to the United States.

Yes, there are companies in Taiwan that want to go there, but Taiwan is the same China and how China will digest Hong Kong and turn its gaze to Taiwan, this is certainly not today, but within 20-30 years it may well try to return Taiwan home.

Perhaps in n years, Taiwan will be part of China, but now it is a separate country on the map.

In the United States, according to the most optimistic forecasts, the decline will be 5,5% by the end of the year) and it may turn out that the United States will leave a completely different state from an economic point of view after a pandemic, depending on how quickly the US economy recovers in 2021 and if much depends on recovery. (with big debts and low purchasing power). And China, on the contrary, will gain momentum .... so time will tell).

The real picture. But now - it is now, and there time will tell.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

And here ARM is: ah, the license for the chips is not renewable. And that’s all, the Huawei and others like them will do when they can’t do their chips under license and ARM architecture?

Yes, the Chinese will not do anything, but will simply produce these chips, just as they produce cars, planes and much more, without licenses.

[Jack O'Neill]

Yes, the Chinese will not do anything, but will simply produce these chips, just as they produce cars, planes and much more, without licenses.

In the Chinese, the wild butthert began because of software, and then the iron.
What is SMIC, what is HLMC, what is YMTC, what are Korean, what are American machine tools. Machine and software services for them are also part of the licensing. There will be no license, there will be no maintenance of machines and software for them, and therefore they just get up. What will the Chinese make chips on their knees?
I can only order the maximum from an intermediary, from the same TSMC, and Taiwan is at odds with China.

[Vovser]

Samsung chips are not very good. The Chinese are doing their MTK. And now these are normal chips, at the flagship snap level

[Jack O'Neill]

Samsung chips are not very good. The Chinese are doing their MTK. And now these are normal chips, at the flagship snap level

Bayonik, Exinos, Snapdragon, Mediatek, Kirin are licensed ARM stones. Kirin and Mediatek (Chinese stones) also do on Western machines and technologies.

[Nastia makarova]

will be released without a license

[Jack O'Neill]

will be released without a license

Will not. This is a violation of persons. agreement, with sad consequences.
So what about the shawarma?

[Nastia makarova]

I do not eat shaverma with those whose rating is -23 000))))

[Jack O'Neill]

I do not eat shaverma with those whose rating is -23 000))))

This rating is because I write what I think, but many do not like it. And in real life I am a very nice and sweet guy! At least they say that to me.
Maybe at a meeting you will like me, who knows ... I can, by the way, offer a potato casserole, I just did it. See, I also know how to cook!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

So what about the shawarma?

The Koran does not allow you to eat pork shawarma. Excuse me.

[Nastia makarova]

why immediately from pork, eat beef or poultry

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

why immediately from pork, eat beef or poultry

Of course, lamb is better, but beef will go.

[Nastia makarova]

lamb is fat, at least for me

[Jack O'Neill]

The Koran does not allow you to eat pork shawarma. Excuse me.

What to do ...
Well, good, I have a lot to do from chicken. Eh, Anastasia is losing her happiness ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Well, good, I have a lot to do from chicken.

Kuga, only good soup, of course, if there is no veal.

[Jack O'Neill]

I do Chinakhi mainly, so there is lamb / beef. Chicken soup for girls.)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

will be released without a license

That's right, but Jack doesn't understand that. Immediately visible lives states.

[Jack O'Neill]

That's right, but Jack doesn't understand that. Immediately visible lives states.

I live in St. Petersburg.)
How will China produce crystals? On what? Machine tools - western, technology - western.
Here you make fried eggs, you have an egg, a frying pan and butter. But I’ll take an egg from you and I won’t let you use a frying pan, because it’s mine. You can find the egg, but you no longer have the pans.
You can make scrambled eggs in a saucepan, but that will not be right. That's the problem.

By the way, yes, lamb is best for shavuha!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

I live in St. Petersburg.

And I thought an Irishman.

[zwlad]

And what? Revocation of licenses will stop Chinese industry? Yes nirazu.
They both stamped the chips and they will stamp. Factories are then located in China.
Yes. And then who will earn ARM then? In the Papuans?

[Jack O'Neill]

And what? Revocation of licenses will stop Chinese industry? Yes nirazu.
They both stamped the chips and they will stamp. Factories are then located in China.
Yes. And then who will earn ARM then? In the Papuans?

They do not stamp on their machines, but they need to be serviced both technically and in terms of software.
And ARM will live on Apple, Samsung and Qualk.

[zwlad]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

They do not stamp on their machines, but they need to be serviced both technically and in terms of software.

Do you want to say what specialists from abroad serve? I doubt it very much.

Quote: Jack O'Neill

And ARM will live on Apple, Samsung and Qualk.

ARM is more likely to create some kind of daughter than leave China and give the market to some other corporation, which will probably be found very quickly

[Jack O'Neill]

Do you want to say what specialists from abroad serve? I doubt it very much.

Well, actually - yes, the staff of the machine manufacturer. You will be surprised, but machine tools are a pretty secret topic. God forbid the integrity of the seals will be violated. This, by the way, is a violation of the use, as, among other things, of the release of counterfeit goods.

ARM is more likely to create some kind of daughter than leave China and give the market to some other corporation, which will probably be found very quickly

Well, the fact that ARM will lose a lot is a fact, but the market is full of companies that will pay for each new version of the kernel.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

This, by the way, is a violation of the use, as, among other things, of the release of counterfeit goods.

I and all my friends have been working with "86 processor" and have never bought software, but have worked with a cotntafact. And I don't know who on the site works with licensed software.

[Jack O'Neill]

I and all my friends have been working with "86 processor" and have never bought software, but have worked with a cotntafact. And I don't know who on the site works with licensed software.

You work with Linux, right? This is an open OS.
And then, is the product that the company sells?
And the fact that many machines still have broken XP so far is no secret. But these are small enterprises.
For example, in Rosatom, everything is licensed. You will not find a single machine with pirated software.
The same thing with iron, they buy specific models, since there is iron, which is under sanctions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

You work with Linux, right? This is an open OS.

 For almost 15 years now I have only been working on Macintosh, I like them much more, although I installed Linux on the old one. Great cars. And now I work with him.

[zwlad]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

Well, actually - yes, the staff of the machine manufacturer. You will be surprised, but machine tools are a pretty secret topic.

Really, I am surprised. At our semiconductor production, ALL equipment is serviced by our specialists. Suppliers perform only initial commissioning, commissioning and (required) training of personnel.
I am very surprised that the Chinese do not do the same.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: zwlad

They both stamped the chips and they will stamp.

Why not ? If AKM was stamped without a license, then some kind of chip will be stamped without any problems.

[Grazdanin]

Indeed, all system technologies are in the hands of the United States. They can calmly strangle China. Better than the processors in the USA and Taiwan are simply not there.

[Jack O'Neill]

Indeed, all system technologies are in the hands of the United States. They can calmly strangle China. Better than the processors in the USA and Taiwan are simply not there.

That's it!

[Grazdanin]

The United States, in its propaganda against Russia and the games in the Middle East, has missed the growth of China. It seems that in the USA they woke up and saw a real problem, we are waiting for people to wake up in Russia.

[Jack O'Neill]

The United States, in its propaganda against Russia and the games in the Middle East, has missed the growth of China. It seems that in the USA they woke up and saw a real problem, we are waiting for people to wake up in Russia

For some reason, we believe that the bear and panda are friends forever, which is wrong.
China is not less, but even more, a threat to us than to the United States. But China is all exactly bros.) And all because competitors of the USA.

[Grazdanin]

Yeah. Here are just joint projects in space with us in the United States, and China only buys or steals technology.

[Jack O'Neill]

Yeah. Here are just joint projects in space with us in the United States, and China only buys or steals technology.

Because not so stupid people are sitting at the top. Propaganda is one thing, as a result of which our people will soon be praying for China, and real things will be completely different.
I just don’t understand why our people are being fooled by a cute panda-brother.)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jack O'Neill

For some reason, we believe that the bear and panda are friends forever, which is wrong.
China is not less, but even more, a threat to us than to the United States.

We have lived with China for centuries, we have a common border, and we have always negotiated, but we did not live near the United States, and they were not friends either. That's the whole story. The United States has only a "mother" as friends, and the rest are either just fellow travelers, or hidden enemies.

[Zeev zeev]

The uprising of the Iethuan, battles on the CER, battles for Damansky ... And yes, they always agreed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Rise of the Iethuan

That's about the boxing uprising does not need to weave intrigue. If you do not know, read the manual. CER - well, this is not China, but at that time Manchuria, and the mess there was universal. But China always had only its own interests in the foreground. Well, who do they have in the background, not counting the Leninists-internationalists. Maybe in Israel differently? Maybe Israel does not occupy Arab territories for its own benefit, but all for the sake of the Arabs themselves? Everything is the same as all countries at all times.

[Zeev zeev]

The Russian Empire actively participated in the suppression of the boxing uprising. Moreover, it is almost more active than all the other participants, both due to the presence of the border with China, and because their étuanis were very active in the area of ​​the same CER and the Liaodong Peninsula, which were under Russian authority. The fighting on the CER was in 1928. And Manzhou-Guo appeared only in 1932.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ZeevZeev

The fighting on the CER was in 1928. And Manzhou-Guo appeared only in 1932.

Not quite so, for on June 17, 1928, Zhang Xueliang received essentially dictatorial power over Manchuria and was officially proclaimed ruler of the Three Eastern Provinces. And with him, or rather, at his direction, a conflict occurred on the CER. There was no holistic power in China then. But according to the Boxer uprising, here is the fault of Witte Sergei Yulievich Minister of Finance, with his idiotic idea of ​​building the CER.

[Zeev zeev]

Zhang Xueliang was a representative of the Kuomintang, not an independent ruler. And yes, there were battles on the Chinese Eastern Railway at the beginning of 1929, here I was mistaken.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ZeevZeev

Zhang Xueliang was a representative of the Kuomintang, and not an independent ruler

Formed in 1919, the Kuomintang was only the only ruling party at that time. During the period of "tutelage of the Kuomintang," not a single election was held in China. The Kuomintang did not control all of China, but ruled by various rulers. I was born and lived in Transbaikalia, we had many Chinese who fled both from the Kuomintang and from Mao, and among them there were a lot of literate people, but they were not very adored by either one or the other. In general, there are so many dark things in China that they still cannot figure it out themselves.

[AU Ivanov.]

When was China concerned about copyright?

[Jack O'Neill]

When was China concerned about copyright?

In this case, there’s no work for Nike or Adidas to do.)

[Grazdanin]

If you sell in China then you can give a damn, if you sell abroad it is critical, there will be a ban on sales and fines.

[Jack O'Neill]

If you sell in China then you can give a damn, if you sell abroad it is critical, there will be a ban on sales and fines.

Without foreign machine tools, China simply cannot make crystals, at least the ones it does now, a la FinFET.
On their technology, they are unlikely to go further than us, so 65-nm at best. And then the question is what kind of crystal will be and what kind of core, with full architecture.
I’m silent about the memory. They just want to start making DRAM themselves, but how it comes out is not known.
What China itself can do is an order of magnitude worse than the original. Technologically, China is not so developed. Almost all technologies are western.

[bk316]

And here ARM is: ah, the license for the chips is not renewable.

Firstly, ARM patents do not belong to any AMERICAN company. The copyright holder is Japanese.

Secondly, what kind of chip licenses are you talking about? There is a license for the ARM architecture and there are licenses for different cores. Do you mean the first second or something else?

[Tugarin]

Americans will buy through intermediaries.

[rotmistr60]

China has decided to impose sanctions on Lockheed Martin

When you have something to answer, why not take advantage of it when the opposite side presses on you (USA). The Americans are systematically moving towards this, hoping that retaliatory sanctions will not affect them. Let's see. With 80% of the US market occupied by rare earths coming from China, it is almost impossible to quickly find a complete replacement. The United States has been "throwing stones" without looking for many years, but sooner or later they will have to collect them. The technique of color revolutions has already come back to haunt the black lawlessness. The sanctions imposed on the right and on the left without miscalculation of consequences will also come back to haunt.

[Alexey from Perm]

Well done Chinese, this is a serious power.

[Avior]

On the occasion of such news in Mountain Pass in California, the cancan was danced under the banjo, I guess.
They have long been looking for whom to sell these metals to, China is interrupting everything.
And so, once and for nothing, an excellent customer.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Avior

Mountain Pass in California

They can even be described there with delight. And the United States will cost the purchase a little more expensive. Or not?

[Avior]

Maybe for the production of batteries or electric motors, where they make up a noticeable part of the cost and it will be noticeable.
But a modern combat aircraft is such a technological and expensive thing that the effect of a rise in the price of a small part of the materials on the total price will have little effect.
If they will rise in price at all, and there will not be a redistribution of the order market.

[askort154]

This step can stagnate the United States aviation industry.


Still, Russia would join by stopping the supply to the USA of titanium and its products, as well as RD -180. But no . We are weak. We are beaten on the left cheek, and we substitute the right. Too much Anglo-Saxon financial octopus tied Russian
"elite". Brzezinski is right - "... since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is it your elite, or already ours .."

[Pilat2009]

Quote: askort154

This step can stagnate the United States aviation industry.


Still, Russia would join by stopping the supply to the USA of titanium and its products, as well as RD -180. But no . We are weak. We are beaten on the left cheek, and we substitute the right. Too much Anglo-Saxon financial octopus tied Russian
"elite". Brzezinski is right - "... since 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is it your elite, or already ours .."

RD will not be needed soon, then our industry will become unprofitable at all. About titanium the same. They will transfer production to other countries. To build a plant, it takes a maximum of a year

[askort154]

Pilat2009 RD will not be needed soon, then our industry will become generally unprofitable.

One of the leaders of Energomash, V. Solntsev, said that until 2010, RD-180 engines were sold in the USA at a loss for the enterprise.
Read here https: //m.аftershock.news/? G = node / 548074 & full
(Sale of RD-180 engines in the USA)
Learn a lot of interesting things on this topic.
(minus not mine, I do not use them)

[Pilat2009]

Quote: askort154

Pilat2009 RD will not be needed soon, then our industry will become generally unprofitable.

One of the leaders of Energomash, V. Solntsev, said that until 2010, RD-180 engines were sold in the USA at a loss for the enterprise.
Read here https: //m.аftershock.news/? G = node / 548074 & full
(Sale of RD-180 engines in the USA)
Learn a lot of interesting things on this topic.
(minus not mine, I do not use them)

The first batch was dusted at the warehouse since the times of the USSR, because nobody needed it. Their implementation allowed the plant to survive. You propose to deprive several thousand people of work for the sake of a pathos answer.

[askort154]

Pilat2009 ....The first batch of dust in the warehouse since the Soviet Union, ...

We do not have rockets for this engine now, but for decades we have supported the US space launches, which still cannot
put into production, replacing the RD-180. That is, we have supported the US space exploration for decades, sometimes to our own detriment. And what in response - solid sanctions against Russia for far-fetched reasons. And the fact that, to protect the sale of the RD-180, we allegedly supported our industry is a lie. How can you sustain a loss ?! And the reference to the fact that we cannot "infringe" on the United States in any way,
this defeatist ideology. They know how to count money better than our "vse-economists". We are getting out of their sanctions, of course, and they will "get out", including from the Chinese. But here it is no longer a matter of economics, but of politics. They spit at us, we wipe ourselves off, and again we climb to them with our
"economic benefit" by investing their hard-earned money in their "paper futures".
Instead of selling titanium, we must develop our aviation industry, and not buy from them aircraft in the construction of which our own titanium. Our economic policy of the 90s (Gaidarovskaya), why do we need to release something new, which is in bulk in the international market. We will sell our endless resources, and with this money we will buy everything we need.

[Grazdanin]

In the United States, RD-180 reserves were created until 2025, given the drop in demand for the Atlases until 2030 is enough.

[Vadim237]

And to calculate its effectiveness, you need to create a project for at least another 4 years.

[Svetlana]

Based on the fact that rare earths are used in the manufacture of electronics, batteries and electric motors, we can say that the blow is directed not at the penguin, but much wider.
Well, a holy place does not happen empty, for some time the USA will establish its production, since there are sources of raw materials there. This is the same as Russia that managed to establish its production under the conditions of sanctions.

[Avior]

They imposed sanctions only against Lockheed Martin, and not against the United States as a whole.

. said on Tuesday that China had decided to impose sanctions on Lockheed Martin

[Mountain shooter]

A holy place is never empty. The whole question is time. How quickly can the United States compensate for the deficit ... at its fields there, or will it buy? It will not work instantly, and "forever" such sanctions do not work!
Drop production for a couple of years - quite sensitive ...

[silberwolf88]

nature certainly does not tolerate emptiness))) ... but China’s reserves cannot be replaced for some elements ... there are industrial deposits there ... you can buy through intermediaries ... BUT they, too, will sooner or later be subject to sanctions ...

[Grazdanin]

Is there a deficit? What are the stocks? How much is the metal market? Change the supplier of resources is not a problem, maybe only the final price of the goods will increase

[Dmitry Makarov]

But it’s a pity, without rare earth metals, the Americans will stop production of the F-35 and come up with something else.
But the F-35 was a flawed fighter and a disgrace to the US Air Force and completely nullified the combat capabilities of America.

[AU Ivanov.]

As far as I remember: hafnium and rhenium are used as components of heat-resistant alloys. Lanthanides go to the production of optics. So that the States risk a lot without which to stay.

[Vadim237]

For several years, they will adopt a shock program for the extraction of these materials on the Moon and meteorites where there are thousands of times more of them than on Earth - Musk with his reusable steps and reusable trucks to help them.

[Reserve buildbat]

Now the rare earth metals for the penguin will go from China through Russia.

[silberwolf88]

A good decision ... those who forget the lessons need to be reminded ...
Let me remind you on my own ... the events on Tiananmen Square were the result of the ban on the supply of rare earth metals in their raw form (that is, not in the form of articles and semi-finished products) ... revolutions broke into the square ... and they got a good shot ... after which a boom in the construction of electronics factories (the main consumer of rare earth elements) of all the world's major manufacturers began in China ...

[Pilat2009]

Quote: silberwolf88

A good decision ... those who forget the lessons need to be reminded ...
Let me remind you on my own ... the events on Tiananmen Square were the result of the ban on the supply of rare earth metals in their raw form (that is, not in the form of articles and semi-finished products) ... revolutions broke into the square ... and they got a good shot ... after which a boom in the construction of electronics factories (the main consumer of rare earth elements) of all the world's major manufacturers began in China ...

The boom began because there was cheap rabsila. And now, on the contrary, the conclusion of production

[Courier]

"Times" it means that even the name of the newspaper was stolen from NYTshameful

[Maks1995]

Wah!
The long-suffering F35, again he has an urry-kapets. How he gets that, it’s a miracle, what else flies and is released))))

True, they previously wrote that China does not supply 80%, but 20-30%. But whom did the tsiferki ever embarrass?

So we believe and rejoice, believe and rejoice .... (Boeing and NASA, now it’s just kapets, without the rare earths, can we start to open champagne ???)

"American F-35 fighter will be left without rare earth materials"
Another virtual victory over USAA!

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Avior

Maybe for the production of batteries or electric motors, where they make up a noticeable part of the cost and it will be noticeable.
But a modern combat aircraft is such a technological and expensive thing that the effect of a rise in the price of a small part of the materials on the total price will have little effect.
If they will rise in price at all, and there will not be a redistribution of the order market.

Lockhead will find rare earths.
It's not a problem.

Sanctions are a bit wider:
"China-related component manufacturers and system developers could also be prosecuted for doing business with Lockheed Martin under the sanctions."

Lockhead has many suppliers and all of them are capitalists. The price is formed according to commercial principles.
One of the factors for increasing the contract value is the risks associated with it, and here the risks are associated not so much with a specific contract, but in general for the entire business of Lockhead's partner companies. Those. contract for 50 million, and under a possible blow activity of 50 billion.

If there are partners who work with China, then the Lockhead price tag will be bullied, the use of intermediary firms will be required, and such schemes for Lockhead’s military orders are not good. Again, prices for projects approved by the Pentagon.

These sanctions are commercial in nature. How tough will time show, how fundamentally China will act.

In any case, the US-China confrontation has reached a new level.

Let's see what the states will answer, they also have enough levers and a crazy reckless tire at the helm)

[Kibl]

You are on the right path, comrades Chinese. Let the "chosen ones" themselves rummage in the bowels of American soil in search of rare earth metals. I wonder how much this flying slag will cost?

[Vovser]

Well, the Chinese are harnessing))))

[Klingon]

unlike us, China has something to press on the pain points of the striped. And in response to sanctions, we can only open our mouths languidly, expressing concern. Even the deliveries of the RD-180 did not cut off at one time .. However, the selfish interest of our rulers is above all

[Ros 56]

It is necessary to teach striped manenko to the mind, otherwise their policies will slowly begin to go crazy. Very much their pride stuck with its exclusivity, that is why they should be excluded from world production, maybe they will grow wiser.

[Undecim]

And all together rushed to bury the "Matrasia", drowning from the "fatal" Chinese blow.
In fact, nothing "fatal" will happen. Firstly, economic sanctions against one company can be easily circumvented through third countries, although you will have to spend a little.
Second, China has been "training" consumers since 2009, introducing quotas, reducing production, nationalizing producers, and the like. For information, China possesses approximately 37% of the world's rare earths reserves.
Therefore, it has been ten years since the Chinese monopoly has been preparing an alternative and investing decent amounts in this matter. The same American NioCorp Development Ltd over the past few years has invested in the resumption of niobium, scandium and titanium production at its site in Elk Creek and a half billion dollars.
So, of course, there will be losses. But they will not be "fatal" for sure.

[Vadim237]

The United States can do it the other way - just buy up controlling stocks of rare earth mining companies around the world, thereby ensuring uninterrupted supplies of rare earths.

[5 – 9]

And what's the difference who the owner is if the state (and not the puppet) introduces a ban on supply?

[Vladimirsky]

only not Chinese, but Amer monopolies are preparing an alternative. is not it?

[5 – 9]

China would stop the supply of contract components, which more than once were found in Amer fighter jets, to stop ... The effect would be many times more

[Vasyan1971]

Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said on Tuesday that China had decided to impose sanctions on Lockheed Martin.

There it is, as SP2 came around ...
You can't get Sanction Gin back in a bottle ...

[EvilLion]

The slave to the pan is bulling. Not a thing. The slave will be punished. But the serf is already used to living well ...

[ficus2003]

Quote: Finches

In fact, the United States does not suffer from the absence of rare-earth metals - they just turned off their production due to the complexity and environmental hazard, though squeezing them out of the dumps a little! There are India and Australia, so a little change of partner ... but China may lose the largest market! However, if China or, especially, the United States has problems, I will not grieve at all ... laughing

Nothing will change, the United States will buy through the proxy a la Belarusian crabs, but in the course of time they will find another supplier and begin to mine more at home.

[Gloomy skeptic]

Quote: NEXUS

td is not enough mattresses

The word "mattress" is more correct to write with three letters "c".

[Vladimirsky]

Yes, and through intermediaries the United States will not be able to buy these natural resources? Or are they so stupid ????

[Alivany]

The United States may re-open its REE field.

[Tom Johnson]

The USA has plenty of "DIRT"