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Is there a future for Russian electronics: facts and thoughts

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Since the beginning of this year, the development of the electronic industry has been taken under special state control. The Development Strategy of Russian Electronics, calculated until 2030, was approved. She suggests that exports of these products should reach $ 12 billion a year.


If we take into account that the average growth is about 10 percent, then if this continues further, the goal is quite achievable.

Electronic components are necessary for the development of many industries - medicine, automotive, defense, medical equipment and much more. And although in Russia there is the production of electronics, most of the components are supplied from abroad.

As reported in "Russian newspaper", the largest share of domestic electronics is used in the defense industry, about 85 percent. In other sectors, it averages about 30 percent.


It is logical that before expanding into foreign markets, you should conquer the domestic market, but this task is not easy. And without investment and state support, it is hardly possible to implement it.

Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin said that until 2024, 288 billion rubles will be invested in the industry, of which 210 billion are funds under state programs.

When compared with state support in other countries, it’s just crumbs. For example, in China, an industry receives about $ 75 billion a year, and the United States about $ 50 billion.

The intensified development of electronics in our country is not just a whim of one of the leaders, but an urgent need. In the cost of various types of products, the share of electronics is growing steadily. For example, 40 percent of the cost of a modern car is made up of electronic components.

If you look at the situation realistically, it is too difficult to master the production of all types of electronic products and make them competitive. It would be optimal to find its relatively narrow niche and achieve technological superiority over foreign manufacturers in it. For example, Russia could try to succeed in the production of radio photonics or quantum simulators. At the same time, it is hardly possible and expedient to completely abandon the import of electronic products and switch to domestic production.

Unfortunately, according to the information and analytical organization "Center for Contemporary Electronics", which leads the publication RBCRecently, there has been a decline in the electronic industry. Last year, it amounted to 3 percent, and this year it is projected to reach even 15%. The strongest decline is expected in sales of electronics for fiscal and commercial equipment, as well as for automobiles. It can make up 50-60 percent.

But there is no reason to panic. To a large extent, the reduction in volume is caused by downtime due to a pandemic. Now, enterprises will try to make up for lost time by increasing production volumes.

It should also be noted that the development of the industry is taken under strict state control and the allocation of funds is provided for this. This means that Russian electronics will inevitably develop, that it has a future. Of course, you should not expect in the near future that this industry will be able to compete with the world's leading manufacturers, but there is hope that domestic electronic industry enterprises will be able to strengthen their positions not only in the domestic market, but also in the international one.
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  1. marchcat
    marchcat 15 July 2020 19: 48 New
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    As long as we have the military-industrial complex, the electronic industry will never die in Russia. Well, the fact that its share in the civilian sector is small, this is of course a problem.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 15 July 2020 20: 57 New
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      Until this industry is squeezed to zero.
      1. Kolka Semenov
        Kolka Semenov 15 July 2020 23: 15 New
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        I disagree with the article. To develop electronics, you need to seriously invest in its development and you can’t achieve the result with that miserable amount, more like a handout.
        But even more important for the industry are both talented managers and tough protectionist policies on the part of the authorities. Without this, the industry will stagnate and eventually bend completely.
        As long as foreign equipment is subsidized, and if there is a concession for foreign aircraft manufacturers, there will be no development of the industry.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 16 July 2020 10: 03 New
          +1
          but the point is to allocate tens of billions of dollars now? in order to plunder? specifically, we need a list of projects for the development and production of new equipment and components and invest under this topic ... Make a localization roadmap and go ahead .. the same smartphones .. we buy a manufacturer who is in China orders phones and we order components, but for example, we already order a plastic case from us and immediately carry out the assembly, gradually increasing the share of domestic components ..
        2. Motorist
          Motorist 16 July 2020 12: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: Semenov Kolka
          and that miserable amount, more like a handout, the result is not achieved

          288 billion rubles is 4 billion US dollars. Multiply by the coefficients: population (2) and faculty (3); divide by 4 years, we get 6 billion US dollars per year, and this is 12% of their investments. I’m silent about the Chinese population ... How do you like my calculation?
          1. Kolka Semenov
            Kolka Semenov 16 July 2020 14: 18 New
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            I would say otherwise: the Russian Federation invests only 12% of American investments, which is an insignificant amount. But the matter is not only about money, there is a problem with personnel, strategy and fiscal policy, which consists in subsidizing foreign technologies to the detriment of their own. The problem is really much more complicated and just dough does not solve it. The trouble is that no one is going to solve it.
        3. vVvAD
          vVvAD 18 July 2020 12: 33 New
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          Quote: Semenov Kolka
          you need to seriously invest in its development and that miserable amount, more like a handout, will not achieve the result

          And you compare the budgets of the United States and China on the one hand and the Russian Federation on the other, and suddenly it turns out that in percentage terms the figures are of the same order.
          Quote: Semenov Kolka
          As long as foreign equipment is subsidized, and if there is a concession for foreign aircraft manufacturers, there will be no development of the industry.

          On the part of the aviation industry, there has been a transition to maximum localization: the lessons of the scammer and the bad advice of the "partners" in cooperation with the SSJ-100 have been fully learned and taken into account in the design and preparation of production and certification of the MS-21.
          And setting up licensed production is the best way to legally borrow technology.
          Quote: Semenov Kolka
          But even more important for the industry are both talented managers and tough protectionist policies on the part of the authorities.

          It is just tough protectionism that is able to finish off the industry completely, if the monopoly of domestic products in the civilian market is allowed, and the incentive for development disappears.
          Protectionism is certainly needed, but smart, with an eye on foreign designs and technologies and dosing their admission to our market to varying degrees - as our own radio-electronic industry develops.
          1. Kolka Semenov
            Kolka Semenov 18 July 2020 12: 35 New
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            A set of nonsense. Too lazy to comment.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 15 July 2020 21: 25 New
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      Quote: marchcat
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      marchcat (marchcat) Today, 19:48 PM NEW
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      As long as we have the military-industrial complex,

      Thank God that he stayed and is! And if there is one, then the engineers, having adopted an antiviral vaccine, flavored with an antidote, will come up with something again, about which the adversary will still have a headache!
    3. Holgerton
      Holgerton 15 July 2020 21: 42 New
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      Without at least some commercial success, any element base, electronic and microelectronic components, radio electronics and so on are the Schrodinger corpse that is not justifiable for its cost.
      Exclusively on military orders, in such a high-tech industry as electronics and microelectronics, it’s not easy to live oh.
      Back in the 2000s, after graduating from the university with a microelectronic and radioelectronic specialty, he worked in a seemingly successful research institute, even had its own production of microcontrollers, FPGAs and SMD element base, it was closed after about a year and a half (as a result, almost all former employees began working on China and European companies, I belong to the second).
      They didn’t close it because the state or the military did not need products and developments, but because the payback was at “zero” level (although it was enough for research), not because the products were bad, but because the production of limited series , which cost per unit of weight more expensive than platinum carbide at that time, did not allow normal development, with new products they were not allowed to enter the market, they say secretly (yeah, and if cunning Americans decide to copy their own decisions 10 years ago), and old products were barely in demand and played a role. Because of this, the rhythm of production suffered, subcontractors, partnerships in the market, there was no clear development plan for the future beyond 2 years. The price of tantalum SMD capacitors is a common noun, and now imagine that they are made by the piece.
      Now they are throwing a bone in the form of ~ $ 4 billion for 10 years and want to create a miracle. While half of the Russian processors are humus with a poor set of instructions and even 80-100 nm process technology, and the other half are 30 nm each in Taiwan (oh yes, now there are problems with the performance and temperature of the crystal), I want to cry, from impenetrable dullness, those who have come up with development strategies all these years.
      As long as we have the military-industrial complex, the electronic industry will never die in Russia. Well, the fact that its share in the civilian sector is small, this is of course a problem.

      That which is dead cannot die.

      This is the current reality.
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 15 July 2020 22: 12 New
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        Quote: Holgerton
        Without at least some commercial success, any element base, electronic and microelectronic components, radio electronics and so on are the Schrodinger corpse that is not justifiable for its cost.

        I agree. Personal experience. An economic zone was opened not far from me, well, like the most favorable regime for businessmen, they built a plant for the production of microcircuits, and the largest financing was state, they bought a wagon of money into this plant, bought modern machines, in general, everything was done as an adult, and gave a good government to start development order. Everything is great, work in 2 shifts, salary to heaven, everyone is happy.
        Need to say when the tale ended?
        A year later, when the State order ended and the "effective" managers came.
        My friend works in the cantor, on the contrary, they just use a large number of microcircuits in their work and buy them exclusively in China.
        To my question: - What kind of nonsense? , they make microchips across the road, and any, and you drag them from China. Says - We tried to work with them, but decided that it was easier with China.
        He ordered it in China, tomorrow they are already being produced, after tomorrow they are shipped, then they are received bypassing the Russian post, the maximum for the most difficult order takes a week along with the road.
        And at our factory, please provide what you need in writing, wait a week for managers to consider your application, a week for approval by a technologist, then a week for launch into production, a week for shipment, despite the fact that the plant is practically standing now, no orders at all.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 22: 22 New
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          Quote: Ramzaj99
          And in our factory ...

          Yes there is a future ... managers - kick in the ass, close the border (really) to move similar components ... the plant will take off good

          Yes, just at a time. It's very simple, if you look closely request
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 16 July 2020 07: 07 New
            +6
            can not close the border, but still remove the bureaucracy? or do you think you shouldn’t even try?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 10: 51 New
              -4
              Quote: 2 level advisor
              can not close the border, but still remove the bureaucracy? or do you think you shouldn’t even try?

              Vasya ... it is necessary to fight against the cause, and not with its last (s)
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 16 July 2020 11: 06 New
                +1
                Sing .. and in the description of the situation that is described, close the borders is the best solution because of which the bureaucracy will disappear, right? or is the bureaucracy simply immortal in Russia in your opinion? The man wrote, they wanted to take it across the street, they did not take it because of the bureaucracy, they took it in China. That is, in your opinion, it's better to close the border, let everyone put up with the fact that bureaucracy?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 11: 08 New
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                  Quote: 2 level advisor
                  and in the description of the situation that is described, close the boundaries is the best solution

                  Yes. Since there will be no "foreign" components of this class.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 16 July 2020 11: 33 New
                    -1
                    they would have taken, if not for the bureaucracy, would they? therefore, the main reason is bureaucracy, and not the openness of borders.
                    but if you are in favor of closing all borders at all from foreign goods, then you have to do with us, then I understand you. The truth is not sure that we will pull the insulation.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 11: 46 New
                      -4
                      Quote: 2 level advisor
                      then you have to do with us, then I understand you

                      Match the club .Over.
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 16 July 2020 11: 54 New
                        0
                        Roman, maybe you sometimes have a good sense of humor, but you obviously overestimate it sometimes ..
                        You know, people who read more literature (not technical) enrich the vocabulary, they find it easier to justify their position, they don’t have to use a foreign language, and if you read only the technical, the reverse process ..
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 12: 49 New
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                        Back to the original:
                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Not far from me ... we built a chip factory ...
                        My friend works in the cantor, on the contrary, they just use a large number of microcircuits in their work and buy them exclusively in China.
                        To my question: - What kind of nonsense? , they make microchips across the road, and any, and you drag them from China. Says - We tried to work with them, but decided that it was easier with China.
                        He ordered it in China, tomorrow they are already being produced, after tomorrow they are shipped, then they are received bypassing the Russian post, the maximum for the most difficult order takes a week along with the road.

                        Closing customs for these microcircuits is not easy, but very simple. Plus, I repeat - a kick in the ass to the "managers" and speeding up the decision process ...

                        And all request
                      3. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 16 July 2020 13: 05 New
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                        I agree with everything except closing customs. What for? If there is a way easier than pushing through the Government of the Russian Federation import restrictions and waiting for them to be accepted, months ..
                        The key to choosing China is the deadline! We are inferior, in time, due to bureaucracy .. There will be no bureaucracy, time will be faster — they will choose our border — no need to close it. Well, these managers under the "place" with a mixer, only because the bureaucracy was allowed in any situation.
                        That is, your solution is certainly working, but perfect. In fact, if you close the border, there is nowhere to take except for us, which means managers and the bureaucracy will remain, just the alternative in terms of time will disappear.
                        In short, you have proposed an ideal solution in general, and I, in my opinion, the optimal one, taking into account the characteristics of our "managers", bureaucracy and business.
                      4. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 14: 59 New
                        -2
                        Quote: 2 level advisor
                        We are inferior, in time, due to bureaucracy ..

                        Not this way.

                        In China - it already exists, finished. They stamp, without looking at the consumer - "they will take it anyway."

                        We have - "to order". Figure out the difference yourself, or paint in detail? wink

                        Closing customs at the same time is the easiest and most painless option .... well, yes, and the "managers" - a kick.

                        And all request
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 16 July 2020 13: 27 New
                0
                maybe the matter is not in bureaucracy but in logistics?
  • Thunderbringer
    Thunderbringer 15 July 2020 22: 25 New
    +2
    Thank you, son of the chief designer.
    1. Holgerton
      Holgerton 15 July 2020 22: 47 New
      +7
      I would be the son of the chief designer, now I would not read sites like this, but would be engaged in personal business somewhere in Spain) laughing
  • mole
    mole 16 July 2020 06: 56 New
    10
    While the Central Bank will issue emissions in 500 lard to maintain one bank (Opening in 2017), there will be no money in the economic sectors, albeit strategic ones with a future. Banking "industry" for the state in priority.
  • KCA
    KCA 16 July 2020 07: 05 New
    +1
    Platinum carbide sounds beautiful, but what does it have to do with electronic components? Personally, I don’t understand what process catalyst can it play in the manufacture of silicon wafers? Or zakoy hell it is needed in the manufacture of resistors?
    1. Holgerton
      Holgerton 16 July 2020 07: 29 New
      +7
      I brought it as just an expensive precious metal, imagine that in production you use well at most some high-quality silicon, germanium, well, or composites / polymers, ceramics. The cost of materials is one conditional resistor less than the metro, but due to the process of non-rhythmic small-scale production, the price skyrocketed to $ 5-6, but it was just high-precision resistors, but it wouldn’t be all so bad if similar Chinese ones did not cost $ 2-3, and European ones $ 4.
      Well, gold was still often used, because the people who made up the TK loved everything to be expensive, rich, well, the developers at that time had not yet moved away from this vicious practice, but even it did not affect the cost so much and had a limited application.
      1. KCA
        KCA 16 July 2020 07: 40 New
        +1
        I won’t say anything about SMD resistors, I managed with what I have in stores (chip dip, for example), but I ordered output resistors of any accuracy, from 0,01%, of any resistance in Bogorodsk, I don’t know how they got profit, but in mine time, an order for 200 rubles was completed on time, and sent by mail
        Gold is rich, yes, I remember one rack of ZAS, there was only 2.3 kg of gold, planar microcircuits with gold-plated leads, but it worked and works
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 16 July 2020 10: 05 New
    +2
    and this is hello to the liberals, who shouted that "the market will solve and everything will be chiki chiki"
  • Motorist
    Motorist 16 July 2020 12: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Holgerton
    Now they are throwing a bone, in the form of ~ $ 4 billion for 10 years, and they want to create a miracle.

    For 4 years - see my calculation above.
  • iouris
    iouris 15 July 2020 23: 13 New
    -7
    Quote: marchcat
    While we have the military-industrial complex

    Only the United States has a military-industrial complex. Keep that in mind.
    The military-industrial complex was created in the United States to solve certain problems at a time when the United States became the No. 1 superpower, which accounted for approximately 60% of world production. The military-industrial complex is something that develops, tests, perfects technologies that are then sold, and obsolete technologies are prohibited with budget funds.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 21 July 2020 10: 36 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Only the United States has a military-industrial complex.

      Are you serious and lying again ??? Or trolling again ??? This is the military-industrial complex in the country in which the B-100 will soon be 52 years old !!! Is there a military-industrial complex in a country that plays cartoons about space around the world ??? This is the military-industrial complex in the country in which Detroit is now the ruins of the automotive industry ???
      Just don't write for the 1000th time about the great American manufacturers of iPhones - China quickly caught up with you almost from scratch and even without its Silicon Valley !!!
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 21 July 2020 10: 52 New
      0
      Quote: iouris
      perfects technologies that are then sold,

      Are you serious ??? And the fact that a photo from the exercises of American astronauts on Earth was then passed off as a photo of the same astronauts on the surface of the Moon is this technology ??? And the fact that some astronauts do not have a shadow in the photo from the moon - that is, they are really stupidly pasted on the photo, this is also such a super technology from the USA ???
      Not well, but what? - really in the early 70s there was no Photoshop and it was cool American technologies then !!!
      And so in everything - the American military-industrial complex is one lie rides on another lie and drives the third lie !!!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 16 July 2020 07: 27 New
    +6
    This is the problem! The electronic industry must work for a person! This is real money, this is going abroad.
    We are proud that the achievements of the USSR in the field of electronics were world-class, but everything was secret, there was squalor in the civilian market (such as the Proton tape recorder), and people ran around the commissions for Panasonic and Sony. It’s not enough to invent a TV produce in millions.
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 16 July 2020 10: 06 New
      0
      but these words need to be carved on the concrete)
    2. iouris
      iouris 16 July 2020 11: 05 New
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      The electronic industry must work for the person!

      Everything should "work for the person." And working. Don't you see?
      1. Aag
        Aag 17 July 2020 08: 02 New
        0
        Quote: iouris
        Quote: fa2998
        The electronic industry must work for the person!

        Everything should "work for the person." And working. Don't you see?

        We even know this person.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 16 July 2020 09: 12 New
    0
    The fact that her share in the civilian sector is small and means her death ..
    For if this is not for the people - what can I say ..
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 19: 54 New
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    "Do not count your chickens before they are hatched"... laughing
    That's how soon I see advertising everywhere that invite students to technical universities to specialize in the design and manufacture of computers - so I’ll take off my hat right away hi In the meantime, I see the opposite ... sad
    1. mister-red
      mister-red 15 July 2020 21: 20 New
      +4
      That’s how I’ll see advertisements everywhere that invite students to technical universities to specialize in computer design and manufacturing

      How does this relate to electronic component manufacturing? Take the American PC company, Dell. What is inside except for the motherboard?
      CPU + RAM on their chips + SSD on their chips + controllers are a bunch of the main components that you need to master in order to fully consider your production as independent.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 21: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: mister-red
        That’s how I’ll see advertisements everywhere that invite students to technical universities to specialize in computer design and manufacturing

        How does this relate to electronic component manufacturing? Take the American PC company, Dell. What is inside except for the motherboard?
        CPU + RAM on their chips + SSD on their chips + controllers are a bunch of the main components that you need to master in order to fully consider your production as independent.

        But estimate, at the end of the 80s of the last century I was trained to make computers - starting from the case - ending with the calculation of the chip chip hi
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 July 2020 00: 32 New
          -6
          And where is this computer you created?
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 16 July 2020 14: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            And where is this computer you created?

            there is still a particle in Buki hi
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. mister-red
          mister-red 17 July 2020 22: 21 New
          +2
          I studied at about the same time, graduated from ACS. A year later, when I began to study, a specialty of the VMK appeared in the Polytechnic - computer systems and machines, this is exactly what you mentioned. At this time, a computer factory began to be built in the city, which was never completed due to the collapse of the country. He himself worked at a factory for the production of microcircuits. In the city there was a factory for the production of microwires, including for the decoupling of ICs. And a bunch of instrument factories. And you know what is the most interesting? This is Chisinau, Moldova, which is like an agricultural republic. Now it’s all worth it, there are warehouses, shops, etc. and we are really a agricultural country, only for some reason tomatoes in a store from Turkey
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 15 July 2020 21: 29 New
      -13
      Quote: Crown without virus
      That’s how I’ll see advertisements everywhere that invite students

      Unfortunately, since the late 80s, no one has received such invitations! But the smart and talented in Russia are nurturing! And thank God!
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 22: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: Tol100v
        Quote: Crown without virus
        That’s how I’ll see advertisements everywhere that invite students

        Unfortunately, since the late 80s, no one has received such invitations! But the smart and talented in Russia are nurturing! And thank God!

        Are we definitely living in the same Russia with you ?! bully
        Zp of the Chief Technologist - without which the production of secret gadgets for secret missiles will arise - 60 thousand rubles + 20 thousand premiums per month - this is now called "they value, cherish, nurture and carry on their hands" ??? !!! laughing

        This is me about my classmate from the university drinks
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 July 2020 19: 59 New
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    these db-102s at the top were sitting in the back exactly and waited for the market to do everything, poor threesomes, or rather mediocrity with manners of card cheaters
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 15 July 2020 20: 39 New
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      Quote: Ryaruav
      threesomes, or rather mediocrity with manners of card cheaters

      The Lomonosov court of Arkhangelsk invalidated the diploma of higher education of the Chairman of the City Duma Valentina Syrova. On the court’s website, it is reported that Pomorsk State University named after Lomonosov (now NArFU) illegally issued her a diploma in “Organization Management” after completing a shortened training program.
      It turned out that Syrova never graduated from a comprehensive school or vocational school, and therefore could not be admitted to college. The court agreed with the arguments of the prosecutor's office, finding no signs of the presence of the head of the city Duma full school education.
      Guess from the list of which party Madame Chairperson was elected?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 15 July 2020 20: 50 New
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        State Department mercenary? I know for sure that they’re spoiling us. laughing
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 15 July 2020 21: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        Guess from the list of which party Madame Chairperson was elected?

        The main thing here is that the court spit on these party lists and
        Quote: Anatole Klim
        He agreed with the arguments of the prosecutor's office, not finding any signs of the head of the city Duma having a full school education.
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 15 July 2020 21: 44 New
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        Quote: Anatole Klim
        Guess from the list of which party Madame Chairperson was elected?

        Respected!? What site are you on? If you are into politics, then you kremlin.ru, but just go ....
  • businessv
    businessv 15 July 2020 20: 05 New
    +6
    It would be optimal to find its relatively narrow niche and achieve technological superiority over foreign manufacturers in it.
    Thank you for the article, it’s only a pity that no statistics are given, how many enterprises of developers and manufacturers were. Here's a search for a niche - this is just not an absolutely necessary event, as for me. It will be enough to establish the production of components for the complete import substitution of our defense industry, and there it will be possible to understand the future movement.
    1. alma
      alma 15 July 2020 20: 19 New
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      I agree. First, the military-industrial complex will be replaced by import, and there the "citizen" will take a closer look. Well, protectionism with state support, where without them?
      1. Grading
        Grading 15 July 2020 20: 29 New
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        Shaw was not enough time for a jerk again? wassat
        1. Pashhenko Nikolay
          Pashhenko Nikolay 16 July 2020 07: 06 New
          +4
          We did not have time to swing.
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 15 July 2020 20: 51 New
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        Quote: alma
        I agree. First, the military-industrial complex will be replaced by import, and there the "citizen" will take a closer look. Well, protectionism with state support, where without them?

        The electronic industry NEEDS to be developed in all directions, both in the military-industrial complex and for the civilian industry. It is just necessary to clearly set the objectives of what and why we need to release in order not to spend currency on electronic components. And finding an application for electronics is now easy, just look around. And now we look around and all sorts of electronic gadgets Chinese, one-time most. And how much money does China spend on this? Let them release from us and sell with a guarantee, and then it will be possible to support the domestic manufacturer!
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 15 July 2020 21: 55 New
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          Quote: Starover_Z
          Chinese gadgets

          Mokiki - Kiai, Motorcycles are the same! And what about “Sunrises”, “Kovrovtsy” and “Ural” were worse ?! Although the semi-urals remained on the market, it must be admitted that it was only on the American "market" with an exorbitant price tag from imported spare parts! Irbit factory - minus!
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 22: 37 New
            +1
            Sunrise is an unsuccessful example. "Buy" Sunrise "- repair it all year", they did not differ in quality, unlike "Minsk". Then Izh-Planet
      3. ANB
        ANB 15 July 2020 20: 54 New
        +3
        And space.
        To begin with, they would have mastered the production of high-quality discrete elements. They are always needed anyway.
        And then you can already master the processors.
      4. vadimtt
        vadimtt 16 July 2020 09: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: alma
        and there the "citizen" herself will take a closer look


        What will the citizen be looking at? To FPGA for a thousand gates at the price of bucks per gate?
        Well, most likely he’ll buy from China for 2000 gates (so as not to pervert for a long time with circuitry) for 2.5 bucks laughing
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 00: 35 New
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      In total, there are more than 3000 of them in Russia — research institutes, factories, and offices for the development of the production of PC and software elements.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 July 2020 20: 07 New
    +5
    Well, about the saddest state of our microelectronics, or rather, about its absence in the country, I am waiting for the same "rainbow" article as we all believed in this sense. ....
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 15 July 2020 20: 21 New
      +5
      Ale, minusers, maybe stick out and write to me what I'm wrong about? A couple of years ago, one of the engineers of a large defense enterprise honestly told me that with this approach and funding, Russia is at least 40 years behind Israel in microelectronics, and in the modern world, its continuous technological progress, it’s practically forever behind!
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 15 July 2020 21: 42 New
        +1
        Well, not at 40. But 10 years behind.
        1. bk316
          bk316 16 July 2020 11: 31 New
          0
          Well, not at 40. But 10 years behind.

          Here! We are used to dealing freely with time.
          Lean that 10 that 40 is all one. No one would write 10 and did not argue.
          And it seems to me that the 80s were yesterday ... request
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 22: 27 New
        -10
        Quote: Thrifty
        Russia from the same israel

        A marvelous comparison ... US subsidies to Israel per year - bring ... similarly - for the Russian Federation, but there are sanctions, there will definitely be a minus laughing
      3. bk316
        bk316 16 July 2020 00: 33 New
        +2
        write to me what am I wrong?

        Well, I can write. Do you understand? What specialty?
        And about the lag in electronics for BT, I’ll probably write an article.
        The theme for specialists is obvious.
        The question is whether the VO administration will like it .... Will it be published?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 10: 54 New
          -2
          Quote: bk316
          The question is whether the VO administration will like it .... Will it be published?

          It is unlikely ... do not feed the trolls, they will burst, sprinkle ...

          Cheers by the way ... glad to see you alive hi
        2. Aag
          Aag 17 July 2020 08: 29 New
          0
          Quote: bk316
          write to me what am I wrong?

          Well, I can write. Do you understand? What specialty?
          And about the lag in electronics for BT, I’ll probably write an article.
          The theme for specialists is obvious.
          The question is whether the VO administration will like it .... Will it be published?

          Watching how to write. Writing intelligibly on highly specialized topics for a wide audience is not easy. Even if the audience is interested. “Just about difficult” is very easy!)
          It would be interesting to read.
    2. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 15 July 2020 20: 23 New
      0
      you know today there is nothing encouraging, but you’ve gone too straight about the complete seams
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 15 July 2020 20: 37 New
        +2
        Ryaruav-where in our country are mass-produced microprocessors for citizens by technology say, 40nm? We don’t have such technologies close! And the same Taiwanese massively mastered the 5nm process, against our 110 nm! !!!
        1. Ryaruav
          Ryaruav 15 July 2020 20: 53 New
          -3
          thrifty, the whole centuries-old history of Russia suggests that we work (somewhere around 80%) for the defense industry, Western jackals want to eat us such a life, but 75-89 turntables of the highest class of species8 magnetophones are very even some womanizer women on par with a paensonik and this is matsushita Denki is a leading Yapov firm (there is also a pioneer) you can see a young man who in the 70s did not engage in rock music and therefore you do not have the right ideas
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 21: 01 New
            +5
            Quote: Ryaruav
            thrifty, the whole centuries-old history of Russia suggests that we work (somewhere around 80%) for the defense industry, Western jackals want to eat us such a life, but 75-89 turntables of the highest class of species8 magnetophones are very even some womanizer women on par with a paensonik and this is matsushita Denki is a leading Yapov firm (there is also a pioneer) you can see a young man who in the 70s did not engage in rock music and therefore you do not have the right ideas

            And you do not confuse the "screwdriver assembly" of finished products from foreign components for our defense industry with your own production of electronic devices from "a" to "z" drinks Thrifty is telling the truth !!!
            1. Ryaruav
              Ryaruav 15 July 2020 21: 07 New
              +9
              Have you ever disassembled those devices, expert? all transistors kt315, kt815 are all ours if you are young you don’t say what you don’t know then there was no screwdriver assembly in the union, it all appeared with your favorite ben
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 21: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: Ryaruav
                Have you ever disassembled those devices, expert? all transistors kt315, kt815 are all ours if you are young you don’t say what you don’t know then there was no screwdriver assembly in the union, it all appeared with your favorite ben

                Those devices I was taught at the university to design and produce !!! hi

                it was already nostalgic ... finally, for how many decades, I first met a person on the Tyrnet expanses on NOT specialized sites who remembers CT series transistors drinks drinks drinks
                1. Ryaruav
                  Ryaruav 15 July 2020 21: 51 New
                  0
                  apparently studied at kpra or kpvea
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 22: 35 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ryaruav
                    apparently studied at kpra or kpvea

                    Studied in the USSR as a computer designer hi And kt315 still fondly recall - how many different electronic devices I collected on them at the time of my youth drinks
                2. Aag
                  Aag 17 July 2020 09: 44 New
                  +1
                  [Quote] [/ quote]
                  Yes, many remember CT (although 2T cooler, war)!
                  Nostalgia wasn’t just wafted, “it overwhelmed!” There are three front panels from Radio Engineering U-101, U-7101, MP-7301 lying in the corner, waiting for their turn. A lot of things connected with the "RRR" named after A.S. Popov ...
                  There was NO screwdriver assembly! The frantic spread of electronic components was compensated by circuitry. Well, and national design features: nuts, washers, a little less than in a Japanese car! drinks hi
              2. Avior
                Avior 15 July 2020 21: 58 New
                0
                Kt315 and 815 - the basis of high-end class devices? Cool ....
                1. dauria
                  dauria 16 July 2020 00: 29 New
                  +6
                  Kt315 and 815 - the basis of high-end class devices?

                  Why are they bad? And you take a look at 2T603b and try to get around this old man on modern ones. (well, he's kt603b)

                  Hmm ... a simple tape recorder of the 4th class (as it was then thought, without high-end and fishing) "Legend 404", monophonic. And they preferred to rewrite from other tapes on it. Although there were three sevens in the module and Sharp, and the 90th. All two-cassettes. laughing
                  Our circuits were then "meticulous" close to the Germans and the French (meaning the design school.) All with feedback, with a separation of functions, with redundancy, designed for the lousiest instance of a transistor.
                  Malaysians, Yapis, Hungarians (there were no Chinese then, they drove sparrows) to the smallest detail simplified in the household. Although the installation they had was beautiful.
                  But in '92, one very intelligent engineer said in his hearts - “I thought we were behind for a long time. It turned out, forever.” It was under Gorbachev that the failure became apparent - they ceased to have time to copy the elemental base. And in the Shiloh guide, the main page was foreign analogues. Because you will meet 7474 everywhere, but 155TM2 already then only in the museum.
                  By the way - the same Sharpe. 1985 year.
          2. Thrifty
            Thrifty 15 July 2020 21: 07 New
            +4
            Ryaruav-Yes, I'm young, I'm 53 years old! hi Literally student lol and you are the grandfather of the tortoise Tartilla ??? belay (you would at least place commas) hiI myself worked in the defense industry in Soviet times, until the hunchback, remember it at night, did not begin to kill the military-industrial complex of the state, by order of the western masters. ..
            1. Ryaruav
              Ryaruav 15 July 2020 21: 27 New
              +6
              I’m 60, but what I want to tell you, if in electronics we would have been completely shitty, these damn partners would gobble us up for a long time
              1. Alexey Polyakh
                Alexey Polyakh 16 July 2020 00: 29 New
                +1
                15 to the degree of 128 = 3464823841570940521841251787633899107341763939005956081649855025164014124153383005393700309333434209191671757175379231806194392189052899091182801387520
                this is multiplication, or expansion, or "decompression" .... someone like ...
                then there is a return route ...
                This is MEMORY.
                + CPU type SUBLEQ or TTA with one rewrite command from place to place and one auxiliary command - go N steps forward (back) when the condition is met.
                Let's do...

                i.e., the CPU is a read-write device from memory to memory

                http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/

                Quote: "Other computer architectures are extremely complicated, but SUBLEQ is easy to understand, easy to emulate or implement as a native hardware. This platform not have interrupts, MMU, TLB, paging, protected mode, or even registers - its just as simply as you think it is. "

                Let's do...
            2. Terenin
              Terenin 15 July 2020 21: 48 New
              +1
              hi
              Colleagues, from your dialogue, I just realized - belay
              Quote: Thrifty
              and you are the grandfather of the tortoise of Tartilla ???

              Quote: Thrifty
              until the hunchback, remember it at night,

              Quote: Ryaruav
              with your beloved ben eltsman
            3. boriz
              boriz 15 July 2020 21: 54 New
              13
              And where did you see imported components in the Soviet equipment until the 90s?
              To me, if anything, 64 and until 1994 worked as a shop manager at the MEP plant (microcircuits, p / p lasers, etc.). And our consumer electronics had a chance to see from the inside. There were no western components. It could be something from the CMEA countries. For example, the Polish pinwheel Unitra on "Vega 106". And our VCRs were until the mid-90s on chips made in my workshop. We made chips for them, planted assembly shops in buildings.
              Not so bad. And in some moments even amers were ahead, no matter how ridiculous. For example, we have built a plant on the Right Bank, including one producing ceramic-metal cases for microcircuits and for defense. There was an indicator, the number of microcircuit pins that can be pushed into the case. It was important and we were well ahead of it. But, Gorbachev came ... As a result, when they showed the “black box” of the downed Su-24 unassembled, I was sick. Most of the microcircuits in plastic consumer goods cases, like the game "Wait a minute," the boards are not varnished, the microcircuits are not glued, the unit is not sealed with sealant. Everything stupidly came off the tracks. The crime.
              1. at84432384
                at84432384 15 July 2020 22: 34 New
                +9
                Tell me the truth ... I was waiting for when in the News they will announce the initiation of a criminal case against the director, chief engineer and military representative of that wonderful enterprise where such a wonderful “black box” was stolen (for it, the state procurement department paid off several tens of thousands of dollars per set) , but did not wait. Around the vertical thieves.
              2. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 22: 41 New
                -3
                Are you sure that it was the flight recorder that was shown to you in the media, and not an unknown device? Who in the subject, they say that this is anything, but not a "black box"
                1. Liam
                  Liam 15 July 2020 22: 49 New
                  +5
                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Are you sure that it was the flight recorder that was shown to you in the media, and not an unknown device? Who in the subject, they say that this is anything, but not a "black box"

                  And launched this shame on the air just to make the whole world laugh at the lack of analogs?
                  1. AU Ivanov.
                    AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 23: 02 New
                    -1
                    Do you want to show the stuffing of a combat aircraft? There are things that will never be shown on the box.
                    1. Liam
                      Liam 15 July 2020 23: 08 New
                      +5
                      It seems that no one forced to show anything. It’s unpleasant for you to realize this, but the real level of electronics of these ancient planes is exactly what they saw on TV. When propaganda prevails over common sense, these shameful things happen.
                      By the way. How did the "investigation" end. They threatened to send data to the UN to prove that the plane did not violate Turkish airspace.
                      1. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 23: 14 New
                        -2
                        The fact is that Sushka really violated, therefore, they did not understand that with the statement that it was impossible to remove information from this unknown animal: it broke. Familiar RESOSniki, as one say, that this is not a flight recorder.
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 15 July 2020 23: 25 New
                        +2
                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        The fact

                        About how. And in your opinion, the President of the Russian Federation, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation and even international experts were involved in this shameful farce.

                        https://youtu.be/foID7DgXS-o

                        Sergei Shoigu handed over to Vladimir Putin a flight recorder of a Su-24 bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force

                        8 December 2015, 22: 32

                        Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu today handed over to President Vladimir Putin one of the black boxes of the downed Turkish Air Force in the sky over Syria, the Russian Su-24. The head of state, in turn, instructed Shoigu to open a parametric recorder from a bomber only in the presence of international experts
                      3. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 23: 42 New
                        -1
                        So they presented what it is obviously impossible to remove information from, because this information is not in our interests. Well, it’s not a real “black box” from this side to show them.
                      4. Liam
                        Liam 15 July 2020 23: 45 New
                        +2
                        Do you know about Occam’s razor?)
                      5. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 23: 50 New
                        0
                        It is known. But I also know cases where on-board registration devices, during the investigation of air crashes, suddenly found themselves in a state that excluded the receipt of information. Ends in the water.
                      6. Liam
                        Liam 16 July 2020 00: 01 New
                        +5
                        You, in an attempt to deny unpleasant evidence, are slipping deeper into conspiracy theology)
                        Since this spectacle was broadcast live to the whole world, this device was seen by everyone, including thousands of specialists from the region. And not only your anonymous acquaintances. And somehow there were no special doubts that this was an on-board recorder of drying in the info field.
                      7. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 16 July 2020 00: 28 New
                        -1
                        "Tester-UZ" which was installed on the Su-24 - a Soviet-made device. There a priori excluded such components as such an assembly.
                      8. Liam
                        Liam 16 July 2020 00: 34 New
                        +5
                        The downed plane is Su-24M. Already with the post-Soviet "stuffing."
                        Su-24M (product 44)

                        The PNS-24M Tiger-NS sighting and navigation system was installed on the basis of the Kaira-24 laser-television sighting station (from the MiG-27K), with the TsVU-10-058K BTsVM; airborne defense complex, more modern radio navigation and communication equipment, the system of objective control and recording of flight parameters has been improved
            4. Roman123567
              Roman123567 16 July 2020 09: 34 New
              +1
              Sergei Shoigu handed over to Vladimir Putin a flight recorder of a Su-24 bomber shot down by the Turkish Air Force
              The question is - what for did Putin need him ??
  • Sklendarka
    Sklendarka 15 July 2020 22: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: boriz
    And where did you see imported components in the Soviet equipment until the 90s?
    To me, if anything, 64 and until 1994 worked as a shop manager at the MEP plant (microcircuits, p / p lasers, etc.). And our consumer electronics had a chance to see from the inside. There were no western components. It could be something from the CMEA countries. For example, the Polish pinwheel Unitra on "Vega 106". And our VCRs were until the mid-90s on chips made in my workshop. We made chips for them, planted assembly shops in buildings.
    Not so bad. And in some moments even amers were ahead, no matter how ridiculous. For example, we have built a plant on the Right Bank, including one producing ceramic-metal cases for microcircuits and for defense. There was an indicator, the number of microcircuit pins that can be pushed into the case. It was important and we were well ahead of it. But, Gorbachev came ... As a result, when they showed the “black box” of the downed Su-24 unassembled, I was sick. Most of the microcircuits in plastic consumer goods cases, like the game "Wait a minute," the boards are not varnished, the microcircuits are not glued, the unit is not sealed with sealant. Everything stupidly came off the tracks. The crime.

    In the Soviet electronician ?, pity: Philips, Toshiba — from pipes (picture tubes) to microcircuits in the Horizon. '' If you do not believe me, ask Midshipman, at that time he was “riding a horse and a saber nobly. ''
    I would very much like to know the opinion of Michman about this article, I personally think that in our country, in the Republic of Belarus, this industry has been ruined to the root.
    1. boriz
      boriz 15 July 2020 22: 47 New
      +3
      In which year, western chips in Horizon ?. We then discussed the situation until the 90s.
      1. UserGun
        UserGun 15 July 2020 23: 54 New
        -1
        In truth, those televisions that you broadcast were lamp, probably half))) And by the way the equipment for the production of lamps was supplied by the same pagan Americans)))
      2. Sklendarka
        Sklendarka 16 July 2020 07: 04 New
        0
        I got married in '81, then Tsshki went on microchips - somewhere around 82 and went.
        1. UserGun
          UserGun 16 July 2020 07: 43 New
          +1
          I don’t know what kind of shoes you are talking about, but ALL the televisions were in the SS unifiedsuddenly! ))) From 1972 to 1989! The main color year was ULPTST (I), (but there were also ULPTs (P) T). Tell me what it was like, deciphering this piece. Unified Lampovo-Semiconductor Color TV And so in almost any (with very rare exceptions) such a TV was, starting with the development of the BR-1 from 10 to 7 lamps.
          1. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 16 July 2020 10: 06 New
            0
            The beginning of the Horizon C-250 "., Where there was one" tube "of the lamps, and the rest was all on microcircuits. And in 88 at the Gorizont PO, the Philips line for the production of TVs was completely assembled ...
          2. UserGun
            UserGun 16 July 2020 10: 41 New
            +1
            As far as I remember, in the body of the workshops of that time, these TVs were the leaders in claims, and the repairmen themselves terribly hated these things))) Only thyristor! what was the cost)))
          3. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 10: 49 New
            -2
            Quote: UserGun
            Only one thyristor! scan

            Dv, this song was ... even with my non-electronic education - it was a white fox laughing
          4. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 16 July 2020 11: 33 New
            0
            Yes, but you can’t throw a word out of song.
            Nevertheless, the system, “my / someone else's” worked at 5, and produce it in the next workshop ...
          5. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 11: 48 New
            -2
            Quote: Skalendarka
            system ,, own / alien "...

            ... in the television tower that was discussed earlier, it is completely absent. Correct, if I am mistaken wink
          6. Sklendarka
            Sklendarka 16 July 2020 12: 20 New
            0
            And what does the television set have to do with it, we are talking about electronics, that there were no ebugor microcircuits.
          7. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 12: 40 New
            -3
            Quote: Skalendarka
            Turnings were ...

            I believe) I saw it myself.
  • UserGun
    UserGun 15 July 2020 23: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    against our 110 nm! !!!


    What kind of "yours" are they ?! It’s AMD who fused your factory to you, the memory daiboch, in shaggy 2007))) After which it lay motionless for about 5 years in a warehouse in the Netherlands, for safekeeping. What did you find "ours" there ?!
  • bk316
    bk316 16 July 2020 00: 13 New
    -4
    And the same Taiwanese massively mastered the 5nm process, against our 110 nm! !!!

    Well, enough for the sake of pluses to write about what you do not understand am

    5 nm. And Intel, by which process are the most modern processors available?
    core 10 - 14 nm

    Did not know?
    That the Taiwanese overtook Intel 2 times? Does technological process mean something else? Is he not important at all?

    Once again DON'T UNDERSTAND-SHARE.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 16 July 2020 10: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: bk316
      That the Taiwanese have overtaken the Intel

      Well, firstly, they overtook, and secondly, modern nanometers are a very loose concept, thanks to the marketing specialists drinks
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 16 July 2020 03: 15 New
    +2
    65nm we can
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 20: 18 New
    23
    Here I will tell you now how the investment in the development of electronics in the USSR in the 1970-1980s took place ...

    A student who entered a technical university for specialties related to the design and manufacture of computers could be absolutely sure that upon graduation he would immediately get a job in the specialty, he would be given a place in the hostel for the first time, when he got married / he would get right away here is odnushka, and if a child is born, he will immediately receive a two-room apartment !!! Therefore, students studied, and then worked "not for fear - but for conscience" good EVERY expulsion of a negligent student passed through the first department - with him "people in civilian clothes" were talking, as he had come to "such a life" ... what And very often returned "back to the stall" drinks But why? And because the country needed the radio-electronic industry, even slobbering, the student was examined through a prism, what can he do to increase the country's combat readiness ...

    That's when I see such an attitude to the industry - starting with advertising for schoolchildren to enter technical universities - then, yes, I believe that state money will be allocated for the right thing, and not for the purchase of microcircuits in China bypassing US sanctions with a cut on yachts to those who allocate this money !!! good
    1. at84432384
      at84432384 15 July 2020 21: 46 New
      +3
      Well, what did you run into computer design? This is far from the most difficult and knowledge-intensive task. The most high-tech and cost-intensive production of microelectronic components. This was killed completely, and it is expensive to revive, and the current state has neither desire nor skill.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 22: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: at84432384
        Well, what did you run into computer design? This is far from the most difficult and knowledge-intensive task. The most high-tech and cost-intensive production of microelectronic components. This was killed completely, and it is expensive to revive, and the current state has neither desire nor skill.

        Design and manufacture of computers - that’s what my specialty was called when I was studying in the USSR hi
        And the production of microelectronic components was taught in our university from the 3rd to the 5th course - and it was BASIC discipline)))
        1. at84432384
          at84432384 18 July 2020 10: 13 New
          0
          Where did you study and when?
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 22: 28 New
        -9
        Quote: at84432384
        to revive and is expensive, and the current state has neither desire nor skill

        Sure?
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 16 July 2020 09: 47 New
          -1
          In this case, it is unlikely that anyone in their right mind would doubt it ..
      3. Alexey Polyakh
        Alexey Polyakh 15 July 2020 23: 29 New
        0
        15 to the degree of 128 = 3464823841570940521841251787633899107341763939005956081649855025164014124153383005393700309333434209191671757175379231806194392189052899091182801387520
        this is multiplication, or expansion, or "decompression" .... someone like ...
        then there is a return route ...
        This is MEMORY.
        + CPU type SUBLEQ or TTA with one rewrite command from place to place and one auxiliary command - go N steps forward (back) when the condition is met.
        Let's do...
      4. Alexey Polyakh
        Alexey Polyakh 15 July 2020 23: 44 New
        0
        i.e., the CPU is a read-write device from memory to memory
      5. Alexey Polyakh
        Alexey Polyakh 16 July 2020 00: 19 New
        0
        http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/

        Quote: "Other computer architectures are extremely complicated, but SUBLEQ is easy to understand, easy to emulate or implement as a native hardware. This platform not have interrupts, MMU, TLB, paging, protected mode, or even registers - its just as simply as you think it is. "
    2. bk316
      bk316 16 July 2020 00: 27 New
      +1
      That's when I see such an attitude to the industry - starting with advertising for schoolchildren, so that they would enter technical universities - then, yes, I believe,


      DO NOT SEE. I can explain why in detail. You will probably understand if you really have such a specialty. But here it is not interesting to anyone, because 99% simply do not understand.

      So clean for fun. My thesis was on writing part of the OS of the Soviet secret surreVM (guess which one).
      We (guess who) have developed a complete software stack from OS to application programs.
      Everything is on the emulator. People received ranks and state awards, but they never did it in the gland. More precisely done, but before the reboot, it worked for 15 seconds.

      And now the domestic supercomputer is in the first twenty, although the stones are not ours.
      Well, the Elbrus also work and the stones are already ours.
      So the question is when was it better with BT then or now?

      I understand that electronics for BT and electronics are two different things. But I am personally interested in BT.
    3. minus
      minus 17 July 2020 12: 36 New
      0
      He entered the radio engineering faculty in 1996. None of the people with whom he studied in the areas of electronics and microelectronics or design and production of RES does not work in their specialty ... Of at least about 45 people I know about.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 July 2020 20: 39 New
    +4
    But there is no reason to panic.
    .... We don’t particularly panic. Our VTS is serviced by a Russian company that supplies Russian equipment from foreign parts, for 15 years already ... There is no particular panic. Fasten, the West will help us ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 15 July 2020 20: 44 New
    +2
    Well, how, I remember, remember -
    Soviet microprocessors are the best microprocessors in the world: they have 16 legs and ... two handles - for carrying
    .
    But that was 40 years ago. Has something moved for the better?
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 20: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Well, how, I remember, remember -
      Soviet microprocessors are the best microprocessors in the world: they have 16 legs and ... two handles - for carrying
      .
      But that was 40 years ago. Has something moved for the better?

      Moved ... Now there are no such microprocessors ... drinks In the absence of such as given wassat Previously, at least they were, even if they were their own ... but right now, China, everywhere China, of course, development is still taking place with us - but almost everything is made in China ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 22: 59 New
        -4
        Quote: Crown without virus
        Of course, development is still taking place with us - but almost everything is made in China ...

        Facts in the studio ... TSMC does not offer laughing
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 23: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: Crown without virus
          Of course, development is still taking place with us - but almost everything is made in China ...

          Facts in the studio ... TSMC does not offer laughing

          The latest Elbrus-8C microprocessor is manufactured in Taiwan, at the TSMC factory, since microelectronic productions with 28 nanometer technology do not exist in Russia today.

          it was a quote from aif)) I can sketch out a bunch of everything - but lazily laughing

          Yes, they develop with us - and they produce TAM - "se la vie" crying
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 23: 23 New
            -5
            I've told -

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            TSMC does not offer

            What is not clear?

            Lists of offices that produce "their" processors on TSMC - in the studio ... buddy yes
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 23: 28 New
              +1
              Your question is not clear recourse
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 23: 35 New
                -6
                Quote: Crown without virus
                Your question is not clear

                Bad.

                For those who are in the tank, I repeat the question: who else from the "world leaders" "collects" their percentages at TSMC?

                Is the question clear? wink
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 23: 38 New
                  +2
                  And where does the world leaders - and TSMC? How should I know? I'm talking about our electronics drinks
                  Just answer your own question - which of our firms has its own world-class production? good I will be happy for them !!!
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 23: 44 New
                    -12
                    Quote: Crown without virus
                    And where does the world leaders - and TSMC? How should I know?

                    Not knowing the ford - do not poke ... into the water yes

                    Quote: Crown without virus
                    I'm talking about our electronics

                    What do you know about her ??

                    Quote: Crown without virus
                    Just answer your own question - which of our firms has its own world-class production?

                    This is not my question, Vasya ... this is a question that you have come up with for me ... Vasya ... be careful, next time I will punish you.

                    Quote: Crown without virus
                    I will be happy for them !!!

                    Without me. Cow. No virus. Erotic laughing
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 23: 48 New
                      +2
                      And what is wrong in my question? laughing
                      Personally, I DO NOT know any Russian company that could manufacture electronics according to the most modern standards using its own equipment developed in Russia from "a" to "i" - if you know about this, enlighten me on this matter !!! drinks I would be grateful to you!
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 23: 50 New
                        -6
                        Quote: Crown without virus
                        I DO NOT know any Russian company that could manufacture electronics according to the most modern standards using its own equipment developed in Russia from "a" to "i"

                        Show me such an office in SyShyA, purely for fun ... and calm down already - here you are done cleanly.
                      2. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 15 July 2020 23: 54 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quote: Crown without virus
                        I DO NOT know any Russian company that could manufacture electronics according to the most modern standards using its own equipment developed in Russia from "a" to "i"

                        Show me such an office in SyShyA, purely for fun ... and calm down already - here you are done cleanly.

                        In SyShyA there is not a single company that would produce modern electronics in factories that were designed in Russia wassat
                        Therefore, I ask - are there such electronics factories in Russia? recourse Without a joke I ask, I’m most interested, maybe I missed something? drinks
                      3. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 16 July 2020 00: 06 New
                        -10
                        Quote: Crown without virus
                        maybe I missed something?

                        You missed almost everything ... to school, to the garden .. and I - to Lyulia, to work tomorrow.

                        PS: I usually don’t feed trolls, but there’s such a funny guy
                      4. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 16 July 2020 14: 53 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Quote: Crown without virus
                        maybe I missed something?

                        You missed almost everything ... to school, to the garden .. and I - to Lyulia, to work tomorrow.

                        PS: I usually don’t feed trolls, but there’s such a funny guy

                        I don’t feed the same trolls !!! Since you have nothing to answer a direct question - then I will not feed you anymore hi
            2. UserGun
              UserGun 16 July 2020 00: 22 New
              -3
              You started the first game about Chinese processors. So, almost all Chinese processors spank on tsmc, umc and other TAIWAN factories. There are some crafts that the Chinese make themselves under the license or after the license, it seems like they make piles and even produce them (for whom only, if they are not in demand at all), only their quality is lower than the baseboard. So they are produced not in China, but in Taiwan))) Including Russian processors "superfood"))) By the way, even the Mongols may in Pagan Amerikosovsky))) Verilog to capture "your" processor and then give it to TSMC for manufacturing ))) But now why do they need it ?! ))) No, well, I can amuse my own, of course you can, but why ?!
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 July 2020 00: 51 New
              -1
              The multiclet is similar to producing cores and processors, and recently -
              TOMSK, June 18 - RIA Tomsk. Tomsk Polytechnic University (TPU) will install in 2020 at its research nuclear reactor Russia's first complex for doping silicon with a diameter of more than 200 millimeters; this will produce up to 7 tons of silicon per year, which will be about 5 % of world production, RIA Tomsk was told by the head of the reactor, Artem Naimushin.

              Earlier it was reported that in 2019 TPU received a grant from the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation in the amount of 87,5 million rubles for the modernization of a university research reactor. Until the end of 2020, new scientific complexes will be installed at the reactor. "So our elemental base will be developed.
      2. Alexey Polyakh
        Alexey Polyakh 16 July 2020 00: 33 New
        0
        15 to the degree of 128 = 3464823841570940521841251787633899107341763939005956081649855025164014124153383005393700309333434209191671757175379231806194392189052899091182801387520
        this is multiplication, or expansion, or "decompression" .... someone like ...
        then there is a return route ...
        This is MEMORY.
        + CPU type SUBLEQ or TTA with one rewrite command from place to place and one auxiliary command - go N steps forward (back) when the condition is met.
        Let's do...

        i.e., the CPU is a read-write device from memory to memory

        http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/

        Quote: "Other computer architectures are extremely complicated, but SUBLEQ is easy to understand, easy to emulate or implement as a native hardware. This platform not have interrupts, MMU, TLB, paging, protected mode, or even registers - its just as simply as you think it is. "

        Let's do...
  • chenia
    chenia 15 July 2020 20: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Has something moved for the better?


    Moved, but a dozen and a half years jumped in place (on the contrary rolled back).
    Only. which pleases, Moore’s law does not work, the leaders are at an impasse. There is a chance to catch up ..
  • boriz
    boriz 15 July 2020 22: 10 New
    +2
    Alexander Privalov, It is hard to remember when I forgot something that I did not know. The microprocessor KB 1013 ("Well, wait a moment") has 45 conclusions, I don’t remember the case size, the chip is 5,3X5,6 mm.
    1. boriz
      boriz 15 July 2020 22: 34 New
      +1
      Sorry, 60 conclusions. 15 to the side.
  • at84432384
    at84432384 15 July 2020 22: 48 New
    +7
    No need to take student jokes seriously - the USSR was the first to establish the production of single-board computers, 16-person computers (IBM took another 4-5 years to do this), megabits. The industry was developing at an unprecedented pace and by the end of the 80s it had reached the forefront. Only the USA were competitors. But in the 88th, the hunchbacked perestroika simply stopped funding the IEP. Under the Yeltsin privatizer, almost all plants and research institutes were privatized and destroyed. That's what has changed in 40 years.
    1. UserGun
      UserGun 15 July 2020 23: 35 New
      -4
      What a beautiful game!
    2. UserGun
      UserGun 16 July 2020 08: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: at84432384
      USSR first set up production single-board computer, 16-r personal computers (IBM took another 4-5 years to do this)megabytes.


      No, of course I understand that you cannot stand the "strength" of advice, but why lie so openly?
  • KSVK
    KSVK 15 July 2020 20: 46 New
    +8
    The strongest decline is expected in sales of electronics for fiscal and commercial equipment, as well as for automobiles. It can make up 50-60 percent.

    Never mind. We have a prime chief tax officer. Right now, he’ll come up with another new requirement for fiscal technology and voila, sales growth.
    Although not a fact. Retail, through the efforts of our government in a deep ass. Shops are massively closing. Let's see what will happen by autumn.
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 16 July 2020 03: 25 New
      +2
      Your shops are not closing because of the government, but because the economy is full of shops. They do not need so many for a long time already. It is necessary to develop some kind of production already, and not endlessly rivet these "buy-sell" products. Such a “business” cannot grow indefinitely.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 16 July 2020 09: 24 New
      -1
      it’s good that the shops are closed, do not go from these shopping centers
  • Million
    Million 15 July 2020 20: 48 New
    +4
    Well, if Rogozin is put in charge of leading this industry, then we will overwhelm the whole world with electronics ... (sarcasm)
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 15 July 2020 20: 56 New
      0
      The last in brackets is in vain. Everyone understood that. The intrigue was cut in the bud.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 15 July 2020 20: 55 New
    0
    How can one not recall the GAS SECTOR: ..... there is nothing to doubt if the party said that the matter was secured.
  • MrFox
    MrFox 15 July 2020 20: 58 New
    0
    Well, if they wrote a strategy, it means the case
  • Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 15 July 2020 20: 58 New
    +4
    There will be a future only with the State Administration. (Here is an incident). Private traders with capital will not be in time.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 15 July 2020 21: 14 New
    10
    The main problem of domestic electronics is the LACK of normal human information on the domestic element base !!! If foreign manufacturers, such as Analog Devices or Texas Instruments, freely publish comprehensive information about each microcircuit on the Network that allows it to be used (up to a detailed description of what and how to connect), then you will not get this from our manufacturers! In the best case - TU. But they are also written so that you are tormented to understand - the scoop is golem! Americans in their English write so that it is easier to read than ours in Russian! With all this, our microcircuits are full, manufacturers are full, but they absolutely do not know how to sell their products. Woe they are onion!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 00: 56 New
      +1
      Well here is one of
      Voronezh Research Institute of Electronic Engineering is developing a chip with the code K1867BA016. It has twice as much productivity as the products of the previous generation, said Dmitry Shekhovtsov, head of the laboratory for designing processes of DSPs and systems on a chip of an enterprise. The main scope of the chip is control and communication.
      Specifications:

      The microcircuit is implemented as a 4-core “system on a chip”,

      Kernel architecture and command system - 1867VTs3F

      The microcircuit has in its composition:

      - 4 RAM modules with data protection with a Hamming code of 32K x 32;

      - 4 UART interfaces;

      - 4 interfaces GOST R 52070-2003 (protocol MILSTD-1553B);

      - on one Ethernet 10/100 interface (IEEE 802.3x), USB 2.0;

      - JTAG debugging interface.

      Each of the processor cores includes:

      - RAM volume of 2K x 32;

      - ROM volume of 4K x 32;

      - cache size 128 × 32;

      - 6 channels RAP;

      - 2 32-bit timers;

      - 6 8-bit switching ports.

      The performance of each processor core is 200 MFLOPS with a maximum core clock frequency of 200 MHz.

      Supply voltage: kernels - 1.8 V, input / output buffers - 3.3 V.

      The microcircuit is manufactured according to the CMOS technological process with a dimension of 130 nm.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 16 July 2020 11: 41 New
        +1
        I'm not an expert in this, but can these characteristics of potential customers satisfy?
        I have a 12nm process technology in my budget phone, and the processor core frequency is 1,8 GHz.
    2. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 16 July 2020 10: 55 New
      +1
      they are written so that you are tormented to understand

      Well, this reluctance and inability to write technical documentation is easy to fend off - once you select some kind of standard for connection, electrical parameters and generally a way to interact with the microcircuit and keep it for decades.
      Then another “strong” side of ours comes in - that once put on the conveyor or entered into the standard, only a division of experienced exorcists will be able to drive out ... and even African radio amateurs will not think about how to use Russian microcircuits.
  • Hwostatij
    Hwostatij 15 July 2020 21: 15 New
    +4
    For example, 40 percent of the cost of a modern car is made up of electronic components.

    Seriously? wassat
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 July 2020 22: 02 New
      +1
      There probably acoustics are more expensive than a car smile
  • BAI
    BAI 15 July 2020 21: 17 New
    +4
    At the same time, it is hardly possible and expedient to completely abandon the import of electronic products and switch to domestic production.

    In military technology, abandoning imports is vital. What is the point of a super-duper electronic product if it does not work due to the absence of any imported (and sanctioned) resistor?
    But the production of electronic components is ruined. Democrats electronic industry slammed one of the first, realizing that electronics is the future of the state, the independence of the state in the end. But it was necessary to drive Russia into dependence on the West.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 15 July 2020 21: 26 New
    +7
    in consumer electronics, our train has long gone, it can no longer be caught up, and without the mass sector nothing will change, and as a result, in military electronics we will also lag more and more
  • reader65
    reader65 15 July 2020 21: 46 New
    +6
    "The strongest drop is expected in sales of electronics for fiscal and trading equipment."

    What kind of electronics are we talking about if 99,9% of electronic components in fiscal and commercial equipment of foreign (Chinese) production. For example, at any cash desk there is only one Russian microcircuit - a cryptoprocessor in a fiscal drive. True software is domestic.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 July 2020 22: 04 New
    +5
    In the title picture, a tired woman, and in the background, well-fed, effective managers waving their hands. Very symbolic.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 15 July 2020 22: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Thrifty
    And the same Taiwanese massively mastered the 5nm process, against our 110 nm! !!!

    Not so bad.
    A piece of the site of PJSC "Micron".
    The 90nm process technology is available for orders, even 65nm in test mode is offered.

    For finer manufacturing processes, much more money is needed. Whether such investments will be unknown.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 01: 00 New
      0
      The most important question is where to use them for industrial equipment and 45nm is enough for the eyes as well as for the military, and for civilian production of 28 - 14 - 7nm in Russia from scratch it will be unbearable unfortunately this niche is lost for us forever.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 16 July 2020 11: 13 New
        0
        The most important question is where to apply them.

        In household appliances, of course ... air conditioners, refrigerators, microwaves, underfloor heating, smart fixtures, electronics for body kits and motor vehicle trimmings, etc., much coarser chips are enough.
        But it will be necessary to develop and market the first time, until we transfer experience, such a technique, together with Western design and marketing agencies at a percentage and immediately - around the world.
  • tol100v
    tol100v 15 July 2020 22: 09 New
    -6
    Quote: Thrifty
    Ale, minusers, maybe stick out and write to me what I'm wrong about? A couple of years ago, one of the engineers of a large defense enterprise honestly told me that with this approach and financing, Russia is at least 40 years behind Israel in microelectronics, and in the modern world, its continuous technological progress, it’s actually forever behind!
    Even if you have many billions and even trillions of some units of payment -You are zero! And about financing, Russia will reply “Nudolly” with “S-500” and other means of lag !!!
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 15 July 2020 22: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Pavel73
    With all this, our chips are full, manufacturers are full, but they absolutely do not know how to sell their products. Woe they are onion!

    With this, the biggest problem is. Microelectronics is much more difficult to sell than sausage and light bulbs. We have very few such specialists, if not to say that they are not at all.
    1. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 15 July 2020 22: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Ua3qhp
      Quote: Pavel73
      With all this, our chips are full, manufacturers are full, but they absolutely do not know how to sell their products. Woe they are onion!

      With this, the biggest problem is. Microelectronics is much more difficult to sell than sausage and light bulbs. We have very few such specialists, if not to say that they are not at all.

      But the watches, “Electronics” of the sample of 79 are still ticking, miracles?
  • Polente the Wanderer
    Polente the Wanderer 15 July 2020 22: 32 New
    +1
    Prokhindiada or running on the spot
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 15 July 2020 22: 58 New
    0
    IMHO, an empty article ....
    Loot will be allocated, and there is hope .....

    Maybe aliens will fly and build electronics for us?
    How differently, such blah blah .... they promise prosperity from the year 95, and enterprises, for example, in Zelenograd, have already gone bankrupt, who vegetate, in general not to hear ... And Skolkovo not to hear ... Chubais was to hear, but this is kapets ....
    Made in China and Taiwan, and on top of the Russian badge ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 01: 04 New
      -1
      It is in contact with Roselectronics they are engaged in the production of all components and the office in Skolkovo is not involved in electronic components.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 July 2020 23: 53 New
    0
    . The intensified development of electronics in our country is not just a whim of one of the leaders, but an urgent need

    What DISCOVERY did !!!
    And then, all sane people did not talk about that much, much, for a long time!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 July 2020 23: 53 New
    +1
    . The intensified development of electronics in our country is not just a whim of one of the leaders, but an urgent need

    What DISCOVERY did !!!
    And then, all sane people did not talk about that much, much, for a long time!
  • bk316
    bk316 15 July 2020 23: 57 New
    0
    There were articles from specific authors that we know well.
    There were editorial articles.
    There were articles "based on materials."
    And what is this "WITHOUT SIGNATURE"? Whose opinion is this?
    Ah Mr. Smirnov!
    If you want a real article about electronics in the Russian Federation and not "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world," ask the people who make them. If I’m not familiar, I can introduce you. I can write something myself, although not an electronic engineer, but I have to communicate.
    And then about the development of VT in the USSR and the Russian Federation in VO continuous dense ignorance.
    1. Alexey Polyakh
      Alexey Polyakh 16 July 2020 00: 40 New
      0
      15 to the degree of 128 = 3464823841570940521841251787633899107341763939005956081649855025164014124153383005393700309333434209191671757175379231806194392189052899091182801387520
      this is multiplication, or expansion, or "decompression" .... someone like ...
      then there is a return route ...
      This is MEMORY.
      + CPU type SUBLEQ or TTA with one rewrite command from place to place and one auxiliary command - go N steps forward (back) when the condition is met.
      Let's do...

      i.e., the CPU is a read-write device from memory to memory

      http://gerigeri.uw.hu/DawnOS/

      Quote: "Other computer architectures are extremely complicated, but SUBLEQ is easy to understand, easy to emulate or implement as a native hardware. This platform not have interrupts, MMU, TLB, paging, protected mode, or even registers - its just as simply as you think it is. "

      Let's do...
  • OXOTHuK u3 JleCA
    OXOTHuK u3 JleCA 16 July 2020 04: 18 New
    0
    But what is Chubais doing? It seems he creates nano processors. Not?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 13: 24 New
      -1
      Rusnano is engaged in investments in the production of nanomaterials - and Chubais no longer steers there; now he is one of the AFK Sistema vice-presidents.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 July 2020 05: 31 New
    +6
    Is there a future for Russian electronics: facts and thoughts

    Wow? For all thoughts, 42 lines were used! fellow
    The answer will be similar to the article - NO!
    There will be no production in Russia as long as the model of a speculative economy is taken. So far, the main goal of the activity is to obtain short-term profit with the withdrawal of it to private zagashniks.
  • Afotin
    Afotin 16 July 2020 05: 36 New
    -4
    Let's just say that domestic microelectronics has quite bright prospects in connection with the latest events. The fundamentals who disagree with this, have every right to go and drown in a cesspool. For their heartbreaking screams and convulsive movements prevent normal people from doing business.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 16 July 2020 08: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Vadim237
    28 - 14 - 7nm in Russia from scratch will be unstoppable

    There is a big suspicion that 7 nm will be unstoppable in the world, not only in Russia.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 13: 26 New
      -1
      Well, it will be on the verge of payback.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 16 July 2020 09: 09 New
    +1
    I work in this area - we are still supplying Soviet products to enterprises ..
    Mikruhi, transistors, relays, lamps .. 80 years as pies diverge ..
    How much their Union has done is incomprehensible to the mind !!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 13: 27 New
      0
      It is already obsolete physically and mentally 30 years ago.
    2. Alexey Polyakh
      Alexey Polyakh 19 July 2020 06: 31 New
      0
      Good day ! If it's not a secret, KR580 is not released in Russia now. ??? or similar ???
  • rica1952
    rica1952 16 July 2020 10: 34 New
    0
    Well, and what we learned from this article. Nothing.
    1. iouris
      iouris 16 July 2020 11: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: rica1952
      Well, and what we learned from this article. Nothing.

      In the wrong place you are looking for knowledge. Knowledge is very expensive. British scientists have proven that 98% on the Internet are "garbage", while 90% is "complete garbage."
  • Alexey Nabebin
    Alexey Nabebin 16 July 2020 11: 46 New
    +1
    The future happens if there is a present, but it is not yet.
  • Ua3qhp
    Ua3qhp 16 July 2020 11: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    4 RAM modules with data protection with a Hamming code of 32K x 32;
    As if hints that this is a radiation-resistant processor. Otherwise, why in RAM is the Hamming code.
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  • Dmitry Kapustin
    Dmitry Kapustin 16 July 2020 14: 33 New
    0
    The restoration of the industry is impossible only by allocating financial resources to individual firms.
    This has always led to large financial injections leading to the disappearance of cunning contracts in the labyrinths.
    The electronic industry can be restored without government spending, using just one single "forgotten" organization that will solve this problem. Maybe Mishustin’s parish is really “living water” and the Russian Federation will cease to be a “tortoise without a shell”.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 16 July 2020 16: 50 New
    0
    However, in Soviet times, ONLY SOVIET electronic components were used even in our military satellite astronautics. With verification of the quality control department and military representatives. From my own experience in the post. Perhaps they were not the most advanced, but certainly "bookmarks", etc. foreign producers were not there. And now WEAK?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 July 2020 19: 10 New
      0
      And now our there is from 70 to 90% - bookmarks is what is it in the component base?
  • Ilya Shevelev
    Ilya Shevelev 17 July 2020 00: 21 New
    0
    On this matter, there is a good article on
    https://zen.yandex.ru/id/5d53e8c80ce57b00c1d830ad Все не однозначно! Цифры по электронной индустрии РФ разные.
  • sirim
    sirim 17 July 2020 17: 58 New
    -1
    Vice Prime Minister Yuri Borisov: “Russia does not have its own industrial base for mass production of microelectronics. The reason is the“ mindless ”privatization of the 90s, during which production was ruined ... now it’s even silly to say that in Russia there is serial microelectronic production .. .We are even absent from world statistics. " Based on the statement of Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov in Russia, only assembly from imported element base is carried out and it is not completely clear to me how this will be overcome?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 July 2020 23: 51 New
      0
      Yuri Borisov had in mind the civilian sector. Almost all products of the military-industrial complex are provided with our element base and microprocessors.
  • Alexey Polyakh
    Alexey Polyakh 20 July 2020 08: 40 New
    0
    Comment: It's not just about chip manufacturing. Now the Americans are leaving China, and 17 nm production is not a problem for China. And we are talking about the lack of chip designers and developers themselves. Those who propose original and forward-looking architecture. And also about payback. Because to develop a microcircuit, the production of which, together with the development, will not pay off with its sales, is a colossal loss! In this sense, it is advantageous to turn to the old classical architectures, for which 180 nm is more than a development time, and hence the costs are cheap. And all the old software is free and at hand gathering dust in the archives. For example, one can easily make microcontrollers based on the PDP-8 architecture and expect to sell them on the world market in tens of millions of pieces (at a price of $ 1-3). But here the problems with copyright and patents "rise to their full height". Of course, decently time has passed since the 60s, and yet. Such is the vicious damn circle.
  • Private SA
    Private SA 20 July 2020 11: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Ramzaj99
    And in our factory, provide

    Engineers developed a chip with 8 legs and
    two carrying handles
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 July 2020 10: 30 New
    0
    It is a pity that the article did not find the author. The desire to debate immediately disappeared, there is no author, no reliability of the data. But I still think that the main costs for the industry are covered by the closed articles of the Ministry of Defense.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 22 July 2020 12: 24 New
    0
    Not. At the moment, the domestic electronics industry has no future. In this case, the principle revered by our authorities and the elites in general as universal, namely, "loot triumphs over evil" does not work. No, loot does not win everything. And this is a real shock for our elites.
    The electronics industry is about people. Specialists of high, highest and absolutely amazing qualifications. There are simply no such people in Russia at the moment. They are not in demand. More precisely, our employers would not refuse them, if these people had agreed, firstly, to the salary of a security guard in a chain store, and secondly, so that these clever men would not grind their teeth when the clever bosses deign to "lead" them.
    Of these people, only pensioners remained (who, apparently, therefore, now work until their death), and that's it. But pensioners will not pull it. They were very tired and lagged behind. They simply did not have the opportunity to grow up with electronics. There are no young ones. Whoever of the young, in spite of everything, learned (which is almost impossible nowadays, how easy it is to get a diploma now, just as unrealistic to study normally), he fled the country, overtaking his own screeching.
    We have a management collapse. There is not a single chance that, given the current state of affairs, the electronics industry will revive from nothing. All and all kinds of financial injections in this direction will simply lead to an increase in the number of London residents. Alas.
  • boni592807
    boni592807 22 July 2020 16: 13 New
    0
    "Funny" question wassat , OUR electronics (starting with the element base and software ...) will not have ITS (future) in Russia what ... Most of those present understand this. It's like industrialization before WW2 (WWII) soldier , would not have had time, further on "Krajinski virtual toy ... with the implementation of all Hitler's plans (min. 2 \ 3 in the dust, the rest for the Urals for survival, etc.).
    There is money, and then - Will-Desire-Result. Well, control with Responsibility to help !!! bully
    They will lower prices - only the mass production and use, as in the United States (West) during the USSR period, in dual-use products, a competent trade policy, like an internal one (it seems to us that even nails are NOT ours now), until successful foreign trade. For example, the World has tensed - changes and, as always, probably in a hot performance. Our "LAPTI with KALOSHAMI" will go like pies. Poorly?! And the United States and China, this does not interfere with the budget. China, our "import substitutes", and the US small arms too, do not strain about LICENSES. It's time for ours, gymnosists in a nightclub not to portray! repeat
    And we have a lot of things that need to be "raised" and where IT is needed. All civil industries, about the military-industrial complex and Russia's only allies - the Army and the Navy (of course), in private will not be superfluous. Protectionism, of course well thought out, and if you remember sclerosis of the USSR. How to substitute import - learn from China and others. Japan (and other "tigers") did not immediately master electronics, etc. And if salaries (pensions) pay normal, then many citizens, as in the USSR, will buy from "smart" TV and refrigerators, to a lot of things useful for summer cottages, fishing and hunting. The multiplicative effect is called. wink China after the crisis with Kavid goes to the domestic market, HE will not let you down !!! As in the USSR it was, while publicly NOT accelerated ...
    As not related to digitalization, but this is ALREADY a necessity. We will not make it in time, because before "MV (WWII) in the dust ... It's a pity that the maize worker (Khrushchev), the project" Red Square "covered with a basin, and" corrupt girls - Genetics with Cybernetics "almost the same. And what could have been ?!
    The most trifle, for example - we would have promoted, not only for a limited contingent, mobile communications for everyone in the 8th (min). Yeah!!!
    To begin with, at the present moment - would revive science, the industry of OUR electronics and software, would return OUR max from there, so that we would not depend on the West-Eastern "partners" !!! Something like this! Good luck hi