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Series production of the fifth generation fighter J-20B started in China

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Series production of the fifth generation fighter J-20B started in China

The fifth generation Chinese fighter (4th generation according to Chinese nomenclature) "went into series." According to the portal businessinsider.com, in China, mass production of a modified version of the Chengdu J-20 fighter has begun.


According to the portal, serial production of the new fifth-generation fighter began last week. Last fall, Chinese media reported the construction of three production lines for the assembly of the J-20 fighter. It was noted that two of them will mainly produce equipment for the J-20, equipped with the Russian AL-31F engine, and one - J-20 with a Chinese-developed Xian WS-15 power plant. How things are currently unknown, it is possible that everything is done the other way around.

It is noted that the J-20B fighter differs from the first version of the J-20 primarily in the engine with a controlled thrust vector.

The J-20 fighter was developed by Shenyang Aircraft Corporation and is positioned as a fifth generation fighter (fourth in the Chinese nomenclature), created using stealth technology. There are no details of this development, all data about the aircraft is classified.

The first flight of the prototype J-20 took place in 2011, the official demonstration - at the air show in Zhuhai in 2016. In 2018, it announced the adoption of the J-20 in service with the PLA Air Force.

International experts note that the Chinese fighter in fact, most likely, does not reach the point that it belongs to the full fifth generation. However, these judgments may be incorrect, since there is no detailed information about the characteristics of the Chinese fighter.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 14 July 2020 14: 45 New
    17
    The pace is envy and fear at the same time.
    Only the Chinese engine is doubtful, but given the rapid growth of their technology, there is no doubt that they will finalize it.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 July 2020 14: 57 New
      18
      Well, this cannot be taken away, the same Y-20s will be riveted twice as many as Ilov-476 (Il-76MD-90A) next year, despite the fact that the Y-20 flew later and for China it is a completely new plane, not an upgrade of the old one .



    2. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 14 July 2020 14: 57 New
      +9
      I doubt that China will succeed in finalizing the engine in the near future! You can’t copy and assemble it, it’s for many years, decades of painstaking work, but now China has a copy of our engines, but their resource is many times lower than the original, so Beijing has yet to develop and assemble its own jet engine!
      1. Gorecc
        Gorecc 14 July 2020 15: 02 New
        +5
        and why did you decide that they just now began to modify the engines? they have been working on this topic for more than a dozen years, so it is quite possible that in the near future they will have their own suitable engine for fighters, if not already ..
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 14 July 2020 15: 16 New
        10
        Well, it will be decided sooner or later. Soviet engines in the 60-70s also had a much lower resource than in the west. And put up with it. Gradually increasing not only the primary indicators, but also operational qualities.

        Also in China. They have both technology and money and specialists to solve problems in engine building. It only takes time, experience and experience. I think that in this they have already passed most of the way, for the state has been actively working in this direction since the beginning of the 00s.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 July 2020 15: 55 New
        -2
        A hybrid will never be effective, and even more reliable given the pace of China.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 July 2020 16: 40 New
          +3
          Again you are Vadik in the wrong steppe - almost everything Chinese surrounds you in everyday life, how does reliability suit you? I’m completely, the electronics are at the Sony and Samsung level, although 15-20 years ago I wasn’t around. Do you catch analogies?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 July 2020 18: 13 New
            -1
            I do not catch in my everyday life from Chinese there is nothing but a multimeter MS, everything else is produced by Germany Japan Russia USA Cambodia Vietnam Taiwan Sweden Finland. And for you, Samsung is produced in the Kaluga region, and Sony monoblocks that I have are made in Japan.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 14 July 2020 18: 37 New
              +3
              Samsung produce in the Kaluga region
              produce? here you can only laugh
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 July 2020 20: 30 New
                +1
                Or assembled, but the buildings in Russia are doing something else - in China, in fact, the same foreign factories are foreign equipment and Chinese replicas with hybridization - this J 20 is the same in fact a replica - and even with Russian engines.
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 14 July 2020 22: 53 New
                  0
                  Well, yes, it’s exactly the same, we screw the finished boards with a screwdriver, and there from scratch a fighter developed and already in the series, and the engines are already doing their own, are you trying to convince yourself?
            2. Alien From
              Alien From 14 July 2020 20: 39 New
              +1
              Lucky for you) for Japanese audio equipment they are now asking for cosmo money))
      4. Stalllker
        Stalllker 15 July 2020 04: 27 New
        0
        They have a lower resource for everything, they take a number, we are quality
      5. Martian
        Martian 15 July 2020 16: 25 New
        -2
        Are you an aviation specialist? Do you develop engines? Was in China? How stupid stupid shkapozakidatli !!! China has long overtaken Russia in many areas, including aviation.
        1. Never mind
          Never mind 15 July 2020 23: 52 New
          0
          Please explain the logic of their purchase of the Su 35 by almost 3 billion, moreover, under the threat of sanctions, if the production itself is organized as you put it.
    3. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 01 New
      -13
      Fair feelings. The only country that is able to fight on land with Russia is China. The entire NATO bloc will not set up a comparable army.
      1. letinant
        letinant 14 July 2020 15: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Fair feelings. The only country that is able to fight on land with Russia is China. The entire NATO bloc will not set up a comparable army.

        Excuse me if I write a not popular idea now. Why all of a sudden, you decided that the Chinese army is capable of fighting the Russian army. When was the last time the Chinese had a normal clash? Remembering the story, the Korean War. And now, remembering the losses of that time, they are trying not to bring to a military conflict. An example is the recent turmoil with India. They pulled the troops to the border, a week later began to transfer back. And about engines, relatively recently they brought up to 2000 hours the engine resource installed on the F-7. On the FC-1 is our AL-31F.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 32 New
          -9
          Quote: letinant
          Why all of a sudden, you decided that the Chinese army is capable of fighting the Russian army.

          There are the required number of soldiers, equipment, a common land border, a suitable theater of war, economic resources. Everything else is lyrics.
          Engine life is important in peacetime, in war it does not matter.
          1. codetalker
            codetalker 14 July 2020 15: 40 New
            +3
            Is that all you need for a war?
          2. pytar
            pytar 14 July 2020 15: 56 New
            +2
            There are the required number of soldiers, equipment, a common land border, a suitable theater of war, economic resources.

            ... and a huge gender imbalance - 20 million "redundant" men! Even Mao, once calmly said that for China, the loss of several hundred million people in a thermonuclear war is not fatal.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 14 July 2020 16: 00 New
              -2
              There were cases in the history of China when they destroyed 3/4 of their population during the Civil War. And there always dohrenelyard people lived.
              1. pytar
                pytar 14 July 2020 16: 40 New
                +1
                As far as I remember, I read here on the article about the most bloody war in the history of mankind. She was civil in China, either in the 6th or in the 7th century. At least 60 million died, i.e. 2/3 of the population. And nothing, again hundreds of millions were born! The Chinese have never considered their lives, and they don’t consider strangers as people. There will be genocide, without any worries. Humanity is not Chinese, they do not understand it.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 14 July 2020 16: 41 New
                  -2
                  I’m talking about her. smile Oh these little genocide lovers smile
                2. PalladaTomsk
                  PalladaTomsk 14 July 2020 21: 32 New
                  +1
                  There have always been a lot of Chinese, but this did not stop small Japan from invading all of Manchuria. And if it were not for the USSR, it would be interesting to see what would happen to China now.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 14 July 2020 21: 49 New
                    -3
                    Quote: PalladaTomsk
                    There have always been a lot of Chinese, but small Japan did not prevent it from capturing all of Manchuria.

                    When the Japanese captured Manjuria, China was in a deep crisis. He retreated in all developed countries. This entity was a short period in ego history. But China regained its status - the forge of the world. Can you imagine that Japan might challenge China? Me not.
                    And if it were not for the USSR, it would be interesting to see what would happen to China now.

                    We can only speculate. The same is likely.
                    1. PalladaTomsk
                      PalladaTomsk 14 July 2020 21: 57 New
                      -2
                      I can’t imagine it.
                      But I can notice that Japan, unlike China, has its own technologies that are ahead of global developments. And just as viewed in a historical context, Japan is a much more belligerent country, able to fight unlike China itself.
                      So that it would not be so simple.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 14 July 2020 22: 06 New
                        0
                        But I can notice that Japan, unlike China, has its own technologies that are ahead of global developments.

                        Japan took the path of technological development much earlier, so she sang ahead of China. But if we look at today's China, and what it was 30 years ago, I think everything will become clear ... I won’t be surprised if in 10 years, China will be ahead of the rest and with a lot of technology, despite the skepticism of the members of the forum. They simply do not know that this was not so long ago by historical standards.
                        And just as viewed in a historical context, Japan is a much more belligerent country, able to fight unlike China itself.

                        Mentality tends to change, especially after major upheavals. The current Japanese man bears little resemblance to his warlike ancestors. He is peaceful, non-aggressive, loved life and amusement. It became clear to him that if he worked hard, he would get a much better life than if he fought and cut his head. It is the same with the Germans. For 80 years "re-education" nothing remained of their experienced war.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 14 July 2020 15: 38 New
          +3
          Right. If we take the history of China, then they always merged all wars with an external enemy, even despite technical superiority.
          1. pytar
            pytar 14 July 2020 16: 00 New
            +4
            If we take the history of China, then they always merged all wars with an external enemy, even despite technical superiority.

            And despite the fact that China was constantly expanding its borders, with the exception of short periods as its thousand-year history. hi China, as an anaconda, absorbs slowly, but irreversibly ...
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 14 July 2020 16: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: pytar
              If we take the history of China, then they always merged all wars with an external enemy, even despite technical superiority.

              And despite the fact that China was constantly expanding its borders, with the exception of short periods as its thousand-year history. hi China, as an anaconda, absorbs slowly, but irreversibly ...

              Because everyone who conquered it quickly turned into the Chinese themselves (Mongols, for example). But we are not going to conquer it.
              1. pytar
                pytar 14 July 2020 17: 21 New
                -1
                Because everyone who conquered it quickly turned into the Chinese themselves (Mongols, for example). But we are not going to conquer it.

                Yes, there are all sorts of Mongols, Manjuris, etc. You are not going to conquer China, and no one is going to. But the Chinese are slowly infiltrating in the world, creating their own states in the states. Such a creeping ethno-economic invasion! They form a very influential diaspora with tremendous financial resources and influence, the fifth column of the type! In Russia, as far as I know, by 2050 they will become the second largest ethnic group! There is no accurate data on how many Chinese live in other countries. The numbers range from 50 million to 100 million. In the United States, in 2013 alone, 2 million passed. And they are not being assimilated anywhere!
                1. PalladaTomsk
                  PalladaTomsk 14 July 2020 21: 35 New
                  +2
                  The tale about the fact that the Chinese have been assimilating the whole Far East since the beginning of the 2000s, but believe me, over these 20 years, the ethnic composition of the Far East, not to mention the whole of Russia, has not changed much.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 14 July 2020 21: 53 New
                    -3
                    I wrote - the Chinese not assimilated. Nowhere. And the fate of the Far East will be decided in the following historical periods. The Chinese are never in a hurry. For them a century is like a day.
                    1. PalladaTomsk
                      PalladaTomsk 14 July 2020 22: 08 New
                      +3
                      The history of China has more than 5 thousand years and over the past 2 thousand years of glorious pages in its history comparable to the Russian statehood (Russian empire, USSR) and was not near.
                      So, that is all the lyrics about the fact that for the Chinese the century is like a day. They are likely to unleash another civil war within the country rather than achieve any major successes in the international arena.
                      1. VO3A
                        VO3A 15 July 2020 01: 49 New
                        +1
                        Exactly, only the "Chinese wall" was not built by the Chinese and the last Slavic chronology comes from the Victory over the Dragon .....
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 14 July 2020 16: 50 New
              +4
              China, as an anaconda, absorbs slowly, but irreversibly ...

              That's why they still mourn their borders to the Urals ... lol
              But the GDP settled cross-border disputes on time and nobody owed anything to anyone.
        3. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 14 July 2020 15: 59 New
          +7
          Quote: letinant
          Why all of a sudden, you decided that the Chinese army is capable of fighting the Russian army. When was the last time the Chinese had a normal clash?

          And we have? Or do you think that the dispersal by aviation of groups of a company level - a battalion, with light rifle and rare intersperses of ancient armor and passenger cars with a turret draws on the experience of war with a full-fledged army? laughing
          The entire post-war experience of the Russian Federation and the USSR is anti-partisan operations. And we have no advantage over China in this regard. Rather the opposite. "Peace-loving and non-aggressive" China and almost fully managed to make war with India and invaded Vietnam with forces quite comparable in size to the entire army of the Russian Federation now.
          1. lucul
            lucul 14 July 2020 19: 57 New
            +3
            The entire post-war experience of the Russian Federation and the USSR is anti-partisan operations.

            And who has ????
            Who has full experience in combat, at the army level? I am already silent about the level of fronts ....
          2. builder
            builder 15 July 2020 13: 00 New
            +1
            And he achieved a lot in Vietnam? Super positive example.
        4. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 13 New
          +2
          Resource WS-10 real still does not exceed 900-1000 hours. On FC-1, which is Pakistani Chinese, is Klimovsky RD-93 / the same RD-33 with MiG-29 but with a different arrangement of mounted units.
        5. snake
          snake 14 July 2020 16: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: letinant
          When was the last time the Chinese had a normal clash?

          - Listen, did you have any accidents at the construction site?
          - Not yet, not one has been ...
          - They will! (from)
          What is this stupid belief that if the Chinese had not previously shone on the battlefields, then in principle they won’t win? Military experience, courage and tactical skill are not genetically transmitted. The Chinese are stubborn, hardworking, ideologically motivated and very smart. The road will be overcome by a walker The Chinese are coming.
          1. lucul
            lucul 14 July 2020 20: 04 New
            +2
            Military experience, courage and tactical skill are not genetically transmitted.

            All people, in terms of war, are divided into 3 categories:
            1 - a man of battle, a warrior, the war of their element, they simply revel in battle.
            2 - a person is panicky afraid of battle, but overcoming his fear, with difficulty, but goes on the attack.
            3 - a person is panicky afraid of battle, fear completely paralyzes his actions, and a person is completely unable to go on the attack.
            The more men of the first type among the people, the more warlike the people, the more men of the 3rd type among the people, such a people is doomed to conquest.
            The truth of life - you can’t get away from it ....
            1. snake
              snake 14 July 2020 20: 48 New
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              All people, in terms of war, are divided into 3 categories:

              Have you done your research or read about it somewhere? The truth of life, you know ...
              Like in a joke. All people are divided into 3 nations: Russian, non-Russian and Armenians.
              1. lucul
                lucul 14 July 2020 20: 49 New
                0
                Have you done your research or read about it somewhere?

                Pfff ....
                Any doubts?
                1. snake
                  snake 14 July 2020 20: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: lucul
                  Any doubts?

                  By itself. Take, for example, those "reveling" in battle. Who are they and what does it look like?
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 14 July 2020 21: 06 New
                    -2
                    By itself. Take, for example, those "reveling" in battle. Who are they and what does it look like?

                    Well, how to explain to a blind man what a rainbow is? .... Are you definitely a man?
                    The male, always accepting the challenge of a duel, is an alpha male. He just likes to fight, no matter with whom and when - the main battle. Not for the sake of self-affirmation, or sadistic inclinations, not just by its nature. Silushka bursts him you know. The type of ant is a soldier, in an anthill. Little capable of learning.
                    Here I am describing common truths - like the sun is shining, the water is wet. This is known to any male student in our country. By the way, traits are very well identified precisely in school time ....
                    1. snake
                      snake 14 July 2020 23: 21 New
                      -1
                      Quote: lucul
                      He just likes to fight, no matter with whom and when - the main battle.

                      Modern combat is not a sword fight. I doubt that someone in their right mind takes pleasure in being under bullets or shelling.
                      Quote: lucul
                      Type of ant-soldier, in the anthill. Little capable of learning.

                      They compared ... For a soldier ant, the specialization is innate, but for a soldier man. And a modern soldier must be capable of training. The XNUMXst century in the yard.
                      Such matters, dear male ...
                      1. lucul
                        lucul 14 July 2020 23: 40 New
                        0
                        Such matters, dear male ..

                        It reminded me, Gorky's "Song of the Falcon"))))
                        Reread at your leisure, maybe you will understand)))
                      2. snake
                        snake 15 July 2020 12: 32 New
                        0
                        And so it is clear that you have an extremely simplified worldview. All that is missing is some pretentious "quote with a wolf" like:
          2. cat Rusich
            cat Rusich 15 July 2020 00: 15 New
            0
            Vitaly, "... they just revel in fighting ..." - Karl 12 (King of Sweden) also "loved to fight" and how did it end for Sweden ... Let's remember Sparta, why is the capital of Hellas in Athens? And not in Sparta. ..
      2. Mirabo
        Mirabo 14 July 2020 16: 52 New
        -5
        The experience of the USSR / Russia war after 1945 is about the same - zero.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2020 20: 32 New
          +3
          In your parallel world, perhaps.
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  2. Civil
    Civil 14 July 2020 15: 31 New
    +3
    In our lifetime, the impoverished China became the world's No. 1 power. The USSR was ruined for the sake of chewing gum ... and Chinese consumer goods ... now in decline
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 14 July 2020 15: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Civil
      In our lifetime, the impoverished China became the world's No. 1 power. The USSR was ruined for the sake of chewing gum ... and Chinese consumer goods ... now in decline

      According to Mikhail Khazin, the rapid growth of China began not least with the transfer of prom. production with the so-called the west.
      1. Letun
        Letun 14 July 2020 16: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        According to Mikhail Khazin, the rapid growth of China began not least with the transfer of prom. production with the so-called the west.

        So what? If the growth is caused by the transfer of production from the west, then it is not considered growth? Explain your point.
        1. iConst
          iConst 14 July 2020 16: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Letun
          If the growth is caused by the transfer of production from the west, then it is not considered growth?

          Well, it's just, as it were, not entirely the merit of the Chinese.
          The US has opened its market to Chinese goods. The main problem of the economy of consumption is not to produce but to sell.
          1. Aleksandr21
            Aleksandr21 14 July 2020 18: 47 New
            +2
            Quote: iConst
            The main problem of the economy of consumption is not to produce but to sell.


            China is lucky in this regard, they have huge human reserves and a poorly developed service sector compared to the US and EU markets, and if there is simply nowhere to develop in the West, then China and India are the future, especially China. By the way, on the Internet, there is a chart from Goldman Sachs "The Ten Largest Economies in the World by 2050" and there China's GDP by 2050 is predicted to be almost 2 times higher than the US GDP, of course there will be adjustments with the coronavirus and trade wars, but the trend itself will not change - huge population + development of the service sector, will do their job.
  3. Doccor18
    Doccor18 14 July 2020 15: 54 New
    +1
    ... envy and fear at the same time ...

    Envy - yes, fears - not yet. That's when the 5th generation aircraft engines with a decent resource learn how to design, then it will be possible to be afraid.
  4. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 00 New
    +1
    In about 20 years, they may reach the level of Al-41. in terms of radar, the same thing.
  5. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 14 July 2020 19: 58 New
    +2
    The Chinese have a powerful economy and the Communist Party at the helm, they show decent results. Compare with ours)))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 20: 34 New
      +1
      In particular, copying and hybridization - but the results are simply grandiose.
      1. Alexey from Perm
        Alexey from Perm 14 July 2020 20: 50 New
        -2
        I also agree on this. Copy only the shirt is wrapped.))
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 14 July 2020 14: 55 New
    -1
    J-20B, I wonder what improved?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 July 2020 14: 57 New
      +7
      Try to read the article.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 14 July 2020 15: 05 New
        +1
        Oh well, I got it, hold the plus sign you earned.
        I don’t think that there is only a Chinese engine, something else should be.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 July 2020 14: 57 New
    10
    They have already commissioned the first J-20 squadron (22 pieces). The second is also ready.
    The new block "B" will be the third squadron.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 06 New
      0
      You have neither a statement, nor a source of revelation, nor confirmation. May be enough?
      To begin with, in the PRC Air Force fighter squadrons usually have 12 sides.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 July 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        So the regiment is regiment, and not squadron is a squadron. Two air regiment J-20.
        The numbers from these structural differences do not change. Over 50 J-20s released.
        Half (regiment) is already in the Air Force. The rest in training squadrons
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 17: 03 New
          0
          So the link will be on these shelves and these 50 Zhi-20?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 July 2020 17: 08 New
            +1
            Pronounced "J-20", not "Zh-20". laughing

            Whatever links I provide, you will declare them nonsense and deceit.
            You will find fault with every word.
            I already went through this for many years on
            this site.
            It makes no sense to try to convince opponents like you.
            You are free not to believe a single word of mine. hi It was interesting to talk. smile
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 July 2020 15: 02 New
    0
    Well done Chinese, while the money is riveted.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 July 2020 15: 06 New
    +2
    Why don’t they buy Al41?
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 08 New
      -4
      You can’t depend on a country that can become an enemy, you can buy only small lots to study technology.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 July 2020 16: 08 New
        0
        So they buy AL31 ... from some other country?
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 07 New
      +1
      Because they cannot, because they make aircraft engines with a resource comparable to us and even more so Americans.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 July 2020 15: 09 New
    -4
    You can certainly criticize the F-35, J-20. They say that they do not reach the 5th generation. BUT THESE PLANES ARE!
    And we have a super-duper Su-57, but it is NO. 20 years they have been designing, testing, but it hasn’t. Foreign buyers choose what they have on the market and fix the jambs (they will appear during the operation)
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 13 New
      +2
      The question is, where is the committee that set the requirements for the 5th generation and makes decisions about compliance?
      1. paco.soto
        paco.soto 14 July 2020 15: 36 New
        -1
        The question is, where is the committee that set the requirements for the 5th generation and makes decisions about compliance? ©
        With irritation turning into hysterics: "why are you stirring up ?! my comfortable sofa of an expert will not last long," smiled.
      2. kit88
        kit88 14 July 2020 16: 51 New
        +7
        Quote: Grazdanin
        The question is, where is the committee that set the requirements for the 5th generation and makes decisions about compliance?

        And most importantly. Why is it needed.
        It only awards a victory in a war on points. laughing
        Who worried in the 41-45th, who has what generation of aircraft. Whoever won is right.
        And we won.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 July 2020 15: 24 New
      0
      we will never overtake China or America in economics, they will always have more planes, we rely only on nuclear weapons
      1. Grazdanin
        Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 34 New
        -3
        Lies. We have all the opportunities to overtake them economically.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2020 15: 58 New
          +2
          Russia will become at least the third world economy in terms of GDP, but given the current realities in the coming decades, this will be impossible.
          1. Grazdanin
            Grazdanin 14 July 2020 16: 01 New
            +4
            Given the current realities of GDP, this is not possible until 2036.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 July 2020 18: 24 New
              +1
              In the past 1700 years, Russia will not be able to jump from the current 16 billion to 5000 billion, which Japan now has - this needs to increase production in the country 2,5 times, for this we need corresponding demand not only domestically but also beyond its borders in the coming decades such demand will not be observed at most 5% per year - at least some leadership and president you plant. There are no miracles.
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 July 2020 16: 23 New
          0
          just expect a volcano explosion in America))))
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 14 July 2020 15: 36 New
        +3
        You can never say never, thirty years ago we had more planes than the United States and China combined. The wheel of history spins and no one knows how it will be in thirty years.
      3. paco.soto
        paco.soto 14 July 2020 15: 39 New
        -1
        With irritation turning into hysterics two: "that's why you are stirring up ?! my cozy sofa of an expert will not last long, but also Nastya!" Smiled.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 July 2020 16: 24 New
          0
          very sorry your sofa
          1. paco.soto
            paco.soto 14 July 2020 16: 33 New
            0
            very sorry your sofa ©
            Laughing: thank you for your sympathy!
      4. strelokmira
        strelokmira 14 July 2020 15: 44 New
        -4
        we will never overtake China or America in economics, they will always have more planes, we rely only on nuclear weapons

        Have you tried to catch up? 20 years, we’ll put down and sell resources, they put a bolt on production ... Of course, you can’t catch up
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 July 2020 16: 25 New
          0
          not 20 years but 50 years !!! The collapse of the USSR already went in 80 years. even the end of 70
          1. strelokmira
            strelokmira 14 July 2020 16: 33 New
            -3
            not 20 years but 50 years !!!

            150 !!! The main thing that would not be a guarantor !!! And now an inexpensive uratik compare the state of the economy of the 70-80s of the USSR and the present, and at the same time the state of the army
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 July 2020 18: 27 New
              +1
              And what to compare the USSR is no longer like a planned economy, you can only compare the indicators of the RSFSR of 1990 and Russia 2019 is true, and this comparison will not be correct, as the market economy is now.
            2. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 15 July 2020 08: 02 New
              -1
              one guarantor will leave, the same will come, nothing will change, life has improved
      5. D16
        D16 16 July 2020 15: 11 New
        0
        they will always have more planes

        And we will clone trained pilots for the same fleet laughing
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 July 2020 15: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: fa2998
      You can certainly criticize the F-35, J-20. They say that they do not reach the 5th generation. BUT THESE PLANES ARE!

      And what is the use of the availability of these samples? Are they able to give the advantage that designers and manufacturers draw with such care? In what conditions and in confrontation with whom?

      There is an American all-terrain vehicle that for decades (according to NASA) has been plowing the expanses of Martian fields. There are devices capable of starting from the moon and raising (according to NASA) the crew to return to Earth. But there are no expeditions to the moon, to Mars, and in the coming years is not expected ...
      Yes, there are samples of the Su-57 with engine options. For me, the fact that aircraft have specific characteristics and a production perspective that makes them clear competitors to American and Chinese aircraft is more attractive.
      As for the Chinese "stealth" ... An interesting solution on Russian engines ... yes
      Quote: Grazdanin
      Fair feelings. The only country that is able to fight on land with Russia is China. The entire NATO bloc will not set up a comparable army.

      This is probably why the Chinese are in no hurry to do this. They do not even provoke the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in terms of response.
      I’ll tell you a secret: no one will fight with China using WWII methods. This is known both in China and in Russia. There will be no time to dig trenches or dig graves ... But in the EU they are still puffing, still hoping for something. Yes, the flag in their hands.
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 08 New
      0
      And how many years did your Raptor and Lightning 2 do?
  • Courier
    Courier 14 July 2020 15: 27 New
    +2
    Released 535 F 35 as of July 2020.

    Nedos Plane American Penguin

    In July, mass production of the J20

    Oh what malots, respect, that’s what life-giving communism does
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 49 New
      +1
      Propaganda brainwashed. A country that cannot do anything to us, with which there are common projects in the same space is an “enemy”, a country from which real danger emanates, there is not one common project where we do not sell resources and technologies, and they are consumer goods - a “friend” .
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 09 New
        0
        This is not propaganda but the reality of being.
  • 川 建国
    川 建国 14 July 2020 15: 27 New
    +3
    Well, officially, China never acknowledged that there was any kind of “j-20B,” but it was just “j-20,” having a serial engine used as an engine. More than 20 early j - 20 fighter jets are powered by AL31F engines, while current production models are equipped with the WS10C.



    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 July 2020 23: 14 New
      +1
      And now we look at the picture of the belly and laugh loudly and for a long time, because China is just trying to build an analogue of the F-22 from the 80s. The Chinese cannot make a multifunctional aircraft, and stealth is needed first of all for this, with the placement of large-sized ASPs in the fuselage, either in materials science, or because of the engines. And most likely both. It's not funny about the "duck" on stealth at all, this scheme was fashionable in the 80s, but the same Su-57 has much more functional deflectable wing tips, which also shows the level of development of the EDSU, which successfully steers a huge amount control surfaces.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 14 July 2020 15: 45 New
    +2
    I think Rafal is going to hit him.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 16: 18 New
      +6
      Yes. By its price, it will bring the Zhi-20 to a heart attack.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 July 2020 16: 11 New
    0
    Quote: ROSS 42
    And what is the use of the availability of these samples?

    The point is that the buyer pays money for them! (500 f-35s have already been delivered)
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 July 2020 16: 26 New
      -1
      forcibly stripped partners
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 16: 19 New
    +4
    Most likely, this machine is not so much a fighter as a "multipurpose aircraft", but in terms of characteristics it is inferior to both the Su-57 and the F-35 / F-22, in some characteristics, however (not in key ones) it has the best parameters. The fact that the Chinese are still not confident in their engine to the end, and the fact that they systematically burns with our super-maneuverability, most likely indicates the insufficient speed-maneuverability side of the characteristics of their aircraft, not on paper but "in metal." Childhood diseases, everything.
    I think that China has bypassed us somewhat in terms of EPR reduction and coverage, but they are still far from US success. In the matter of intelligence, fillings are also, most likely, inferior to us in most devices, bypassing on the other hand in the microelectronic component.
    I have no reason to believe that their plane will become something revolutionary or an effective workhorse - but this plane can well be a key milestone on the path to China’s ability to create a breakthrough product that effectively combines Russian / Western experience with the experience of China itself.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 July 2020 16: 21 New
    0
    Why launch a series of aircraft with obvious problems? Although looking at the Americans - the main thing is to invest enough money in advertising!
  • svp67
    svp67 14 July 2020 16: 24 New
    0
    Last fall, Chinese media reported the construction of three production lines for the assembly of the J-20 fighter.
    Chinese scope, with which only American, on the release of the F-35? can compare
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 14 July 2020 16: 40 New
    0
    Eto tot "razrabotaniy" iz MiG 1.44?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 17: 11 New
      0
      Da eto 1.44 dopilenniy rashpilem /
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 July 2020 17: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: Ru_Na
    I doubt that China will succeed in finalizing the engine in the near future! You can’t copy and assemble it, it’s for many years, decades of painstaking work, but now China has a copy of our engines, but their resource is many times lower than the original, so Beijing has yet to develop and assemble its own jet engine!

    In the second half of the 20th century, we (the USSR) sent trucks and cars. There were copies of them too. Now, dozens of automobiles from China are littered with cars all over Russia. Do you doubt their abilities?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 17: 18 New
      -1
      Which rust after three years? So aircraft engines are the same.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 17: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    It makes no sense to try to convince opponents like you.


    So this is because you carry a lot of poppies. Constantly. And then you are offended. So it's not like that. It is difficult to talk with people like you who don’t dig out some garbage and give it out as a revelation. So they also get confused in the elementary ...
    I asked a kind of simple question, where does the info about 50 Ketai megastels come from and the connections that received them? And that at the exit is a hysterical and popping toilet lid.
  • Adimius38
    Adimius38 14 July 2020 17: 23 New
    -2
    well done, what can I say, they can make a batch of 100-200 cars in a swoop, and we will sing the nightingale about the best of the best SU-57 in an amount of not more than a dozen
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 20: 39 New
      +1
      Russia is no longer participating in the arms race - they ordered 76 Su 57 until 2027 they will be made.
  • Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 14 July 2020 18: 05 New
    +1
    A strange plane, made on old engines that didn’t fit on the SU-57, there’s talk about stealth that they don’t allow to touch, although it seems like Taiwanese anti-aircraft gunners were lucky and they saw invisibility, but here again some kind of nonsense, the plane has no internal storage ammunition. Bottom line, the plane is not very bad, somewhere at the level of F-35, but it doesn’t reach the corn-maker for its multitasking a bit, ugh, you are multi-puzzle and not for the corn-maker, but to the Mona Lisa smile.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 14 July 2020 18: 40 New
    +1
    where in the world that expertise that distributes the 5th generation is arbitrary and will show only battle and the battle will not be purely air force there will be everything both military air defense and air defense of the country and modern combat helicopters carrying missiles and military and anti-aircraft missiles of all kinds of armed forces, you can praise your swamp but only the fighting will show who of what generation and from whom was born
  • 123456789
    123456789 14 July 2020 19: 03 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Pronounced "J-20", not "Zh-20".

    Pronounced "Dzyan" laughing
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 14 July 2020 19: 36 New
      0
      Quote: 123456789
      "Dzyan"


      And not just Jian? Something tells me sclerosis ... drinks
  • 123456789
    123456789 14 July 2020 19: 51 New
    0
    So, after testing the F-35B with a short take-off and vertical landing, it became clear that the fighter will withstand only 2100 flight hours instead of the estimated 8000.
    The cost of one F-35B amounted to $ 100 million. Due to such an unexpectedly short service life, it will be necessary to write off some of the aircraft already in 2026,
    And if you can’t see the difference - why pay more?
  • 123456789
    123456789 14 July 2020 20: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Cyril G ...
    Quote: 123456789
    "Dzyan"


    And not just Jian? Something tells me sclerosis ... drinks

    I'm not Chinese either soldier It’s probably better to ask the Chinese what their new airplane is called, and even in Russian hi
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    2. Charik
      Charik 14 July 2020 22: 32 New
      0
      https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=14086209876702573745&text=китайский+спектакль+ваще&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1594755108295505-563653749794920347500309-production-app-host-man-web-yp-233&redircnt=1594755112.1
  • flicker
    flicker 14 July 2020 22: 08 New
    0
    And they say that quickly only cats will be born. fellow
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 15 July 2020 05: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    almost everything Chinese surrounds you at home, how does reliability suit you? I’m completely, the electronics are at the Sony and Samsung level, although 15-20 years ago I wasn’t around. Do you catch analogies?

    Chinese quality ??? No, I have not. What they say from the rostrum and what is in fact NOT ONE AND THE SAME. Yes, my phone is made in China, but the Alcatel brand is French and NOT CHINESE developed it, they just take phones made by French robots off the assembly line and put them in boxes. It's the same with EVERYTHING. Chinese aircraft of the 555th generation on a Russian engine - this is the scope of Chinese thought ??? What did the Chinese do themselves ??? Give examples, please.
  • 123456789
    123456789 15 July 2020 13: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    one guarantor will leave, the same will come, nothing will change, life has improved


    1: 9. What was, it will be; and what was done, then
    will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.
    1:10. There is something that they say: "look, this is
    new "; but this was already in the centuries that were before us.
    Book of Ecclesiastes
  • Martian
    Martian 15 July 2020 16: 34 New
    -1
    Underestimate the development of aviation in China, only dumb-headed hat-takers who do not have a normal technical education. China has long taken the lead. Its some lag in the engines for military aircraft will be very quickly overcome. He already has a powerful industry and personnel. Have money. And there is a leadership of the country of the CCP, which consists of Chinese and for their country to do everything necessary for development. This is not a cooperative for you. A lake capable of just stealing and robbing. In the coming years, China will completely abandon borrowing technical solutions in Russia because they are already ahead.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 July 2020 23: 08 New
      +2
      Just for reference, the USSR lagged behind the US in engines in 1945 and was only able to approach the American level in the 80s. At the same time, the USSR invested such funds in the development of aviation, which modern China never dreamed of. So the Chinese have no chances to reach even the level of AL-41F in engines. As there is no plane that could be compared with the Su-57. At the same time, it would have been possible to launch the Su-57 into production a couple of years earlier, by a strong-willed decision, they would have simply raked up more problems on production vehicles. And for those who do not like the Lake Cooperative and fans of the CCP, I would like to inform you that China is currently the leader in the number of billionaires. And all the Chinese growth over the past 30 years is only the result of the transfer of Western industry to it, now the fat China is beginning to spread rot.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 July 2020 23: 01 New
    0
    And what did the J-20 become at least comparable to the Su-35?