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In the United States decided to change the main caliber of armored vehicles

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In the United States decided to change the main caliber of armored vehicles

ALAS-MC combat module



US Army Arsenal Picatinny engineers have advanced the development of the new ALAS-MC artillery system for combat vehicles. It includes a medium-caliber cannon, new ammunition, fire control systems and equipment necessary for faster and more accurate target destruction.

It is assumed that the new product will surpass all existing systems in the world, featuring high performance and the size of the victims that the enemy will suffer. Fire will be fired from a 50-mm XM913 cannon with HEAB-T high-explosive ordnance (based on the XM1204 shot) against personnel, including sheltered behind the walls, and APFSDS-T (based on the Xm1203) against the materiel. The operator will have at its disposal a graphical user interface and an advanced laser range finder.

The developed system clearly demonstrates the deadly blow that gunners can deliver due to the quick adoption of the right decision on firing, greater accuracy and firing range. We expect that overall gunner’s actions will be three times faster

- said the employees involved in the project, indicating that "the dead will have to be stored."

Picatinny engineers believe that in the future, the HEAB-T is likely to replace the standard high-explosive ordnance used with the 25mm Bushmaster M242 gun. New shots allow you to fine-tune the shell programmatically: the point of detonation, the moments of detonation and explosion in the air. To cope with the increased functional load should a more advanced fire control system.

Equipment that monitors the combat situation, automatically works out possible scenarios that are displayed on the interface. On it, the gunner indicates priority targets from a set of icons. Based on this choice, the OMS independently determines the optimal number of shots and the affected area.

The new liquidator will receive superiority and a clear advantage on the battlefield of the future

- consider the developers.


50 mm gun XM913
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 July 2020 08: 57
    +7
    Startled ... saw our 57 graph paper, and ran after it ... As always, everything super-duper is complicated and expensive. Ammunition, SLA, the gun itself. How to fix it all, adjust in battle conditions? No, not for war all this equipment.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 July 2020 09: 04
      15
      Not. They will simply begin to replace 25-30mm guns (to which they have more powerful projectiles than we have 30mm and have BOPS, which we don’t have 30mm) with such 50mm guns. I understand 50mm with a shortened sleeve. And what will we put super57mm on in Russia?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 14 July 2020 09: 08
        11
        Quote: Zaurbek
        And what will we put super57mm on in Russia?

        Ask Yandex. There is a lot about it. And about their 25 millimeters - well, American - all the best ... probably. They admire our 30 mm.
        The new 30X165 projectile, BOPS BISON 11 | armsblog.ru military equipment | Yandex Zen
        zen.yandex.ru ›Yandex.Zen› armsblog / novyi-30h165 ...
        30 mm feathered armor shell with detachable pallet. Created for Russian ground equipment, can be used on automatic guns 2A42 and 2A72. This is a whole line of armored vehicles and various modern Russian combat modules designed for lightly armored vehicles and infantry fighting vehicles
        A snack wassat
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 14 July 2020 09: 20
          +4
          This BOPS just presented .... with NATO, uranium and tungsten are from the 80s. The sleeve and charge are longer and more powerful.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 14 July 2020 09: 27
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            This BOPS just presented .... with

            They are in service standing! No need to fantasize. The cartridges are more powerful ... Well, not a bit ...
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 14 July 2020 09: 30
              +5
              6 April 2020, 19: 54
              Silver bullet: Russian armored vehicles received "killer shells"
              New ammunition will cope not only with light combat vehicles, but even with tanks.

              both types of 30 mm cartridges are used in the US armed forces: 30 × 173 mm on the A-10 Thunderbolt II attack aircraft and 30 × 113 mm B on the AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. 30 × 173 mm shell used on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 14 July 2020 09: 52
                -1
                Our 30x165. Only at their sleeve later. The energy of ours and theirs is the SAME. Amer shells have no special advantages.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 14 July 2020 10: 06
                  -1
                  Of course not. A10 main weapon against the tank ...
                  1. 5-9
                    5-9 14 July 2020 15: 48
                    -2
                    The main A10 weapon against the tank ... before the T-64 appeared half a century ago ... it was, indeed! That's just A-10 later T-64 appeared ...
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 14 July 2020 16: 09
                      +2
                      And now too. He flies into the roof like a turtle.
                      1. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 14 July 2020 20: 22
                        +1
                        pans into the roof. .... well, on an empty tank, yes. and if, as in the DPR during combat protection with MANPADS, the enemy attack aircraft only keep the pilot’s stopcock halfway between their legs, at best
                      2. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek 14 July 2020 20: 24
                        -1
                        We are discussing the issue of breaking through
                      3. Crimean partisan 1974
                        Crimean partisan 1974 14 July 2020 20: 51
                        0
                        .. the question of breaking through .... and what a dispute .... all the tanks are breaking through into the niche of the tower and into the stern ... ... with regards to Soviet tanks. it’s a little more complicated ..... the T-64 tank between 3 and 4 rollers is a sure death from a standard ammunition of 14.5 mm. in view of the rollers of a smaller diameter than that of the T-72, the T-64 feed is generally flashed from the PC with a cartridge 7.62-54,. T-64 can only be penetrated into the forehead only by aviation, and the T-72B3 is actually the hedgehog of which no matter how to bite, but exactly like the T-90. and if there is a military guard, then the enemy hap
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 14 July 2020 09: 28
      10
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Ask Yandex. There is a lot about it.

      Yandex says that now for 57mm there are only HE and armor-piercing shells. Shells with remote detonation (the most interesting) are still in development; when they are ready - it is not known.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 July 2020 09: 45
        -2
        Quote: Kalmar
        Shells with remote detonation (the most interesting)

        And what is the meaning of them with a low initial velocity of the projectile?
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 July 2020 09: 52
          +5
          Quote: Spade
          And what is the meaning of them with a low initial velocity of the projectile?

          The same as for any other (speed): detonation of the projectile at the optimal point of the trajectory. Useful when working on sheltered manpower, for example. Then, does the same "Derivation" have a very low projectile velocity?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 July 2020 09: 57
            +3
            Quote: Kalmar
            Same as with any other (speed)

            Not like that. The low projectile speed can greatly reduce range dispersion. This means making the ammunition much more effective in terms of "horizontal" targets. Moreover, the power is higher than that of the 82-mm mine, making all these antics with air blasting unnecessary. Not justifying themselves in terms of "price-quality"

            Quote: Kalmar
            Then, unless the same "Derivation"

            "Derivation" is an anti-aircraft gun.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 July 2020 10: 17
              +4
              Quote: Spade
              The low projectile speed can greatly reduce range dispersion. So, to make the ammunition much more effective for "horizontal" targets

              I think we need to argue here, having in our hands specific data on the speed characteristics of guns. And so, I only remember that the American XM-25 hand grenade launcher provided for an air blast of grenades, although it is difficult to reproach them with their high (grenades) speed.

              Quote: Spade
              "Derivation" is an anti-aircraft gun.

              What prevents her from working on ground targets? On those videos that are searched on YouTube, she just shoots at those. In essence, it makes it anti-aircraft only the ability to fire with large elevation angles.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 July 2020 17: 02
                -1
                Quote: Kalmar
                What prevents her from working on ground targets?

                And what prevents the S-300 from working on ground targets?
                They can do it
                "In essence, it is only the ability to fire at high elevation angles that makes it anti-aircraft." laughing


                Quote: Kalmar
                And so, I only remember that the American XM-25 hand grenade launcher provided for an air blast of grenades

                The rich have their own quirks .... Some believe that the low power of action with a target should be compensated by an air gap. As is the case with this 25 mm grenade launcher. Or a 60 mm mortar
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 14 July 2020 22: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  And what prevents the S-300 from working on ground targets?

                  Conceptually, any missile system with radio command guidance can be used against a ground target. Actually, the fleet has been using this for a long time: many shipborne air defense systems can take out surface targets. From the land one can remember "Pine", which can spoil armored vehicles.

                  "Derivation" is just a gun mount that fires completely ordinary projectiles. Nothing prevents her from working "on the ground" (I repeat, in all the videos she is doing this). By the way, the S-60 (on the basis of which the "Derivation" weapon was created) was quite routinely engaged in the destruction, in particular, of armored vehicles and manpower.
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 15 July 2020 03: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  And what prevents the S-300 from working on ground targets?
                  They can do it
                  "In essence, it is only the ability to fire at high elevation angles that makes it anti-aircraft."

                  Or maybe immediately shoot gold with diamond cores?
            2. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 14 July 2020 10: 56
              0
              Quote: Spade
              Not justifying themselves in terms of "price-quality"

              A very important point. yes
              New shots allow you to fine-tune the shell programmatically: the point of detonation, the moments of detonation and explosion in the air.
              It is a pity that the price tag was not hung - everything would have become clear at once. It is, of course, understandable that "in serial production" and so on, and so on, but nevertheless. request
            3. anzar
              anzar 14 July 2020 11: 27
              +1
              Low projectile speed can greatly reduce range dispersion

              What nonsense? Ballistics says exactly the opposite, when shooting direct fire. This can be (somewhat) true only for a projectile shell. undermining.
              And the power higher than 82 mm mines makes all these air-blasting gimmicks unnecessary ...

              57mm shell ??? yeah laughing
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 July 2020 16: 17
                0
                Quote: anzar
                What nonsense? Ballistics says the exact opposite

                D-30 shooting tables
                Range 2000 meters
                The charge is full, the initial 690 m / s, the median deviation in range Vd = 15 meters.
                The fourth charge, the initial 276 m / s, the median deviation in range Vd = 9.8 meters.
                Oops?
                I don't know what kind of special "ballistics" is whispering to you, but sometimes you should think before yelling "What is this nonsense?" laughing

                Quote: anzar
                57mm shell ??? yeah

                And here you just need to know the materiel. Council such. laughing
                The 57-mm shell is 600 grams of hexal (metallized hexogen) in a shell with half-finished fragments
                82 mm mine is 450 grams of TNT at best. And even schneider with a TNT stopper.

                Such cases
                1. anzar
                  anzar 14 July 2020 19: 55
                  +1
                  I don't know what kind of special "ballistics" is whispering to you ...

                  Maybe they didn’t notice, but it's about shooting straight tips. Range Errors more impact on low-speed shells than on high-speed. To get (as you want) into the parapet of the trench first, you need to know accurate distance. What is moving in general ... With the proliferation of laser rangefinders and auto. MSA is no longer (so) significant, but still ... We will not talk about deflecting factors (wind, etc.), only pure ballistics))
                  D-30 shooting tables ... Range 2000 meters

                  The main thing is how do you know that there is exactly 2000m? If you make a mistake 50m, with what charge the deviation will be less? But your example is already from firing.
                  A 57 mm shell is 600 grams of hexal ... 82 mm mine is 450 grams of TNT at best. And then Schneider ...

                  And the question price? And why trifle, immediately compare with the black powder)) Or (like barmalei) we will put nitrogen in mines. fertilizers.))
                  Yes, and mines are different. In a regular HE 82 weighing 3,1 kg, yes. But in this 82mm product with a cast-iron body (HE 82LD) weighing 4,15 kg, there is already 750 g of TNT. And it flies away at 6,2 km!
                  In short, I do not understand the advantages of a 57mm gun low ballistics without prog undermining. Then to keep the 100mm smoothbore in the BMP-3 will be your way even better)))
                  All the same, the new Russian 57mm weapon is not low, but, so to speak, "medium" ballistics. Probably suitable for modernization. old cars. But the ammunition seems to be different, some kind of unification, only in production.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 July 2020 20: 12
                    0
                    Quote: anzar

                    Maybe they didn’t notice, but it's about direct fire

                    Thrash ....
                    It looks like you don't know what "direct aim" is. Here, for sure, without materiel, no way ...

                    Quote: anzar
                    And how do you know that there is exactly 2000m?

                    laughing laughing laughing laughing
                    How much do you need?
                    Here at that range that you need, the lower the initial speed, the less the dispersion in range. It’s not even ballistics, it’s geometry.

                    Quote: anzar
                    And the question price? And what are the little things, compare immediately with the black powder))

                    And again, materiel.
                    82-mm mines do not equip with smoke powder. A schneiderite-equipped, and more actively.

                    Quote: anzar
                    But in a fresh 82mm product with a cast-iron body (HE 82LD) weighing 4,15 kg, there is already 750 g of TNT

                    Matrimony
                    600 x 1,35 = 810 TNT Anyway, more. Plus a steel case with semi-finished fragments against cast iron.
                  2. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 14 July 2020 20: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    How much do you need?
                    Here at that range that you need, the lower the initial speed, the less the dispersion in range. It’s not even ballistics, it’s geometry.

                    about! I think I understand what you mean. you mean scattering along the plane over which the explosion occurs, right?
                  3. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 14 July 2020 20: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    about! I think I understand what you mean. you mean scattering along the plane over which the explosion occurs, right?

                    Well, yes.
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 14 July 2020 13: 30
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Low projectile speed can greatly reduce range dispersion.

          clarify please. in physics, exactly the opposite. low speed increases the spread. How do you explain this contradiction?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 July 2020 16: 12
            +1
            Yes, it depends on the same range. But the "short" range is shorter. And at its range, the accuracy is not much worse than that of a long 57mm projectile.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 July 2020 16: 20
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            increases scatter

            laughing
            Which one?
            In general, there are three of them
            And if also a remote fuse, then one more is added, in time.
            Which is introduced into deviations in range and height.

            The lower the speed, the easier it is to shoot at "horizontal" targets such as a trench.
            The higher the speed, the easier it is to shoot at "vertical targets" such as a wall.

            Actually, detonation along the trajectory is a method of overcoming this problem for high-speed guns. Not an ideal method.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 14 July 2020 20: 16
              0
              Quote: Spade
              The lower the speed, the easier it is to shoot at "horizontal" targets such as a trench.
              The higher the speed, the easier it is to shoot at "vertical targets" such as a wall.

              right. for the first they use mortars and automatic grenade launchers, right?
              Quote: Spade
              Actually, detonation along the trajectory is a method of overcoming this problem for high-speed guns. Not an ideal method.

              that is, you assume that they reduce the propellant charge so that the gun spits 1000 meters? what for? there are AGS grenade launchers for this.
              as far as I remember the video with the advertisement of shells with remote detonation, the idea is precisely to maintain detonation, for example, over a trench. changing ballistics is somehow strange request
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 July 2020 20: 39
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                that is, you assume that they reduce the propellant charge so that the gun spits 1000 meters?

                Will not work.
                It is too difficult to make gun automation that works confidently with both high-pulse and low-pulse shots.


                Quote: SanichSan
                there are AGS grenade launchers for this

                Well, just our 57-mm gun is in the maiden name "AGS-57"

                Quote: SanichSan
                the idea is just to maintain the flatness, for example, over a trench

                And here there are problems. The longer the range and the cheaper the fuse, the greater the dispersion of the air gap in range. So getting a gap directly above the trench is a very difficult task.
              2. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 July 2020 21: 00
                0
                read your post above and realized what you mean. thank you hi
                Quote: Spade
                Will not work.
                It is too difficult to make gun automation that works confidently with both high-pulse and low-pulse shots.

                Yes, and about tape power will have to forget. ballistics then the shells will be radically different.
                but then what do they want to do? request and the gun and the grenade launcher will not work ...
                Quote: Spade
                Well, just our 57-mm gun is in the maiden name "AGS-57"

                yes, but one is not the same. it’s like very different products in total, but here’s one thing.
                Quote: Spade
                So getting a break directly above the trench is a very difficult task.
                not that it’s very difficult, but rather not very cheap. it’s quite possible to undermine several shells without covering a sufficiently large area. Yes, these are 5 shells in line to get into the trench, but they are stably falling. I'm talking about 30mm German.
              3. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 July 2020 21: 10
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                not that hard

                It is very difficult.
                Therefore, at all show-offs, they shoot at short ranges so that the dispersion is not particularly noticeable
              4. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 July 2020 21: 29
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Because at all the showings they shoot at short ranges

                revised .. yes, really a short distance.
                But is it necessary to achieve goals defeat in the trench? 57mm with remote detonation will be very effective against the infantry that lay on the ground. a 57mm detonation in the air will give a serious covering with fragments. in this perspective, it makes perfect sense, but trenches are all the same fortified positions and they should be pressed by artillery. why try to do something with a technique not designed for this? request
              5. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 July 2020 21: 31
                +1
                Quote: SanichSan
                But is it necessary to achieve goals defeat in the trench?

                If you do not want RPGs or ATGMs on board, be sure. The infantry is now very toothy.
              6. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 July 2020 21: 47
                0
                Quote: Spade
                The infantry is now very toothy.

                Otozh! bully but to storm the fortified area without artillery preparation is adventurism! soldier
                and this option (the ability to cover a trench) will have little effect on the chances of getting an RPG on board. RPGs or ATGMs are usually used from an ambush, and an ambush is a position that has not been identified in a timely manner. what's the difference if there are shells with remote detonation or not, if you are the first to get an RPG before you even determine where the enemy is? request
              7. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 July 2020 21: 50
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                Otozh! bully but to storm a fortified area without artillery preparation is adventurism!

                And nobody will allow to drive a bunch of artillery for the sake of a mobile fire zone. Therefore, for suddenly detected positions outside the GP, in which artillery works, you will have to work by direct fire.
              8. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 July 2020 22: 09
                0
                hmmm .. it was not with you that I discussed the usefulness of the "Coalition"? wink For such tasks, and need high-precision mobile artillery, IMHO. yes
                trying to solve offensive tasks today with light armored vehicles is just as absurd as tanks in Grozny or attempts to drive Bedouins with mercenaries in 2007. modern warfare is the use of a complex of weapons.
                in short, I doubt that the game is worth the candle. artillery should fall into the trench, not the BMP from the gun. and the AGS on the BMPT or on the Tiger will do better for this than the gun on the T-15. yes
  • svp67
    svp67 14 July 2020 09: 10
    +9
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And what will we put super57mm on in Russia?

    It depends on what ... Powerful on T-15 and "Derivation", and "low ballistics" on "Kurgan" and "Boomerangs", and in the future on BMP-1,2 and armored personnel carriers during modernization
  • APASUS
    APASUS 14 July 2020 09: 47
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    They just start replacing 25-30mm guns.

    So easy to take and replace. Do you need to calculate the loads on power elements? The place for ammunition remains the same, with an increase in caliber, an almost new combat system is obtained
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 July 2020 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Calculation of loads on power elements do not need to?

      Have you ever heard about the "modernization groundwork"? Now they will fit him
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 14 July 2020 10: 20
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Have you ever heard about the "modernization groundwork"?

        They will not fit, the modernization reserve does not provide for an increase in caliber of two and no reserve does not provide for the standard channel for installing the tape for the ammunition to be twice as large in size, the same for the storage of ammunition. It would be so simple, they would install a 100 mm gun immediately
        1. svp67
          svp67 14 July 2020 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          .It would be so simple, would immediately install a 100 mm gun

          There was no need ...
          Quote: APASUS
          They will not fit, the modernization reserve does not provide for an increase in caliber by two and no reserve does not provide for the standard installation channel of the tape for ammunition to be twice as large in size

          The "modernization reserve" implies the possibility of increasing the mass. If they can fit into this standard, then everything else can be solved.
          The T-34 generally began to be designed for a 45-mm tank gun, but it was able to get both a 76-mm and 85-mm gun, and with current technologies it is already easier to do this
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 14 July 2020 12: 35
            0
            Quote: svp67
            The "modernization reserve" implies the possibility of increasing the mass.

            It’s not possible to increase the caliber and stay in the same size. And this is another product.
            Quote: svp67
            The T-34 generally began to be designed for a 45 mm tank gun, but was able to get both a 76 mm and 85 mm gun,

            The gun was replaced, and you look at how the first versions of the T-34 and the same t-34/85 differ. So it wasn’t in this tank yet. You can’t turn in a modern tank, you have to shovel any change and all the construction
            1. svp67
              svp67 14 July 2020 12: 53
              +2
              Quote: APASUS
              The gun was replaced, and you look at how the first versions of the T-34 and the same t-34/85 differ.

              And here you can distinguish the hulls of different modifications, this is what version of the T-34?
              Quote: APASUS
              In a modern tank you can’t turn around, any change and have to shovel everything, the whole structure

              You know, I will tell you a story from my life. At the school we were trained in all combat vehicles, but the base was the T-64B tank. Due to the multiple equipment and small geometric dimensions, there really was little space inside. But once to our schools, I don't know for what reason, experimental tanks were brought to one of the departments from the "Malyshev plant", where all the equipment for guided weapons was replaced from radio-controlled to laser ones, outwardly they were the same T-64B1, but inside ... there was SPACIOUS ... And all because a different technology was applied. And most importantly, the combat effectiveness of these modernized tanks was higher. For the same guided weapons, the firing range increased by a whole kilometer.
        2. anzar
          anzar 14 July 2020 11: 13
          +4
          It would be so simple, they would immediately install a 100 mm gun

          But is the BMP-3 not worth exactly 100mm? (+30))))
  • seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 14 July 2020 22: 00
    0
    The tiger had a gun anyway
  • Revolver
    Revolver 15 July 2020 03: 53
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And what will we put super57mm on in Russia?

    Blow off dust with ZU-57-2?
    And what? Unkillable undercarriage, lethal guns. You just think of an automatic loader, and stick the OMS. And also a radar for firing at low-flying targets such as turntables and attack aircraft, even from the same "Tunguska", even from the "Pantsir". It should be quite relevant. Is the defense weak? So it is possible to assemble in the case from the T-54/55, all the same, otherwise they only care about remelting.
  • Kuroneko
    Kuroneko 17 July 2020 17: 21
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And what will we put super57mm on in Russia?

    Therefore, we TRADITIONALLY and use a larger caliber. It is enough to look at the entire history of the development of domestic armored vehicles. Even after World War II, in the era of the Cold War, we always had more powerful calibers both on tanks and on any small husk. The quality of the shells is generally worse, but cheap and practical. It was the caliber that decided.
  • Kalmar
    Kalmar 14 July 2020 09: 24
    +6
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    As always, everything super-duper is complicated and expensive. Ammunition, SLA, the gun itself. How to fix it all, adjust in battle conditions? No, not for war all this equipment.

    With this logic, one must fight with axes and spears. Our guided missiles, for example, are much simpler or what? In the field on the knee being repaired? Technological progress does not stand still, weapons are becoming more complex and more effective, this is normal. And what about the "expensive" - ​​apparently, they can afford such toys.
  • JD1979
    JD1979 14 July 2020 09: 40
    +5
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    How to fix it all, adjust in battle conditions? No, not for war all this equipment.

    How smart are you to repair armature in battle conditions, with its LMS and a bunch of other electronics including radars? Just to be the first to throw something in the comment.
    1. Bulgarian
      Bulgarian 14 July 2020 09: 48
      +4
      Approximately as early as in 80 they repaired the block with a block method in the BMD, the block was inserted from the spare parts
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 14 July 2020 10: 30
        0
        Quote: Bulgarian
        About as early as in 80 they repaired the block with a block method, on the BM air defense,

        Well, about the modular construction principle, and accordingly, quick repairs, by replacing individual blocks and modules, everyone knows, except probably the author of the first comment. Which is taken out of the whole article ... nothing.
  • swzero
    swzero 14 July 2020 11: 08
    -3
    Only it seems to me that the 50mm Amer cannon very strongly conceals our crafts based on the 57mm anti-aircraft guns of the 40s, both in weight and rate of fire. Because developed on the basis of a 35mm machine. What makes it more suitable for use on light armored vehicles. I doubt that the best ballistics 57mm S-60 it pays off.
  • snake
    snake 14 July 2020 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    How to fix it all, adjust in battle conditions? No, not for war all this equipment.

    For war - a hat. There is no need to repair-configure. Throw her in the direction of the enemy directly from the couch - so defeat.
    Poor Americans ... No matter how sophisticated they are in creating the most modern weapons, it is impossible to scare the hurray-patriots. On any of their "for", there is always leaven "by no means" ...
  • Stalllker
    Stalllker 20 July 2020 17: 31
    0
    I have the same kent, if expensive, then the best
  • svp67
    svp67 14 July 2020 09: 08
    +4
    Fire will be fired from a 50 mm gun
    And our new ones are 7 mm wide, but more ... It’s a trifle, but nice ...
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 14 July 2020 09: 26
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      And our new ones are 7 mm wide, but more ... It’s a trifle, but nice ...

      You can add, in Russia, and 57mm production is established and even the stock is. And the transition to a new caliber is still that fun song.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 14 July 2020 09: 28
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      And our new ones are 7 mm wide, but more ... It’s a trifle, but nice ...

      Grandfather Freud is very pleased with this comment))
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 July 2020 09: 47
        +2
        Quote: Kalmar
        Grandfather Freud is very pleased with this comment))

        Is he even more satisfied with the Americans?
    3. swzero
      swzero 14 July 2020 11: 09
      -5
      Yeah, but at the same time, it’s probably two times heavier in mass, and times less in terms of rate of fire.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 15 July 2020 04: 28
      0
      Moreover, in Russia, the caliber is traditionally measured by fields, and in the West by rifling. The caliber 57mm, measured in the western, will turn out to be 58, or even more. Another millimeter of pride! good
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 July 2020 09: 52
    +1
    And we will have 57mm. Option joke about a neighbor and 7mm.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 July 2020 10: 01
      +2
      We have 57 because with a 30 mm it doesn’t really work out.

      They drank it in its pure form. Having ready-made solutions for every taste in calibers 25, 30 and 40, to begin development also in 50 mm ...
      Simply "Arsenal Picatinny" is a state office, owned by the US Department of Defense. So they master funds for whatever they can ...
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 July 2020 10: 02
    +4
    Here the conversation is not about the gun but about the complex as a whole. And a new tool. And the surveillance and aiming tools are new. And the shells are new and as advanced as possible. A huge step forward. Plus a lot of time to eliminate childhood diseases. Fighting it all will not be soon.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 July 2020 10: 45
      -1
      My shell post is below
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 July 2020 14: 20
        +1
        All components are important. If the SLA is really as smart as they want to do it, then for sheltered infantry this will be a big problem. It will be impossible to hide. It will be impossible to hide behind low-strength shelters mm. Totally capital.
        1. anzar
          anzar 14 July 2020 20: 12
          0
          then for sheltered infantry this will be a big problem. Impossible to hide

          Not really. For sovr. heavy armor. infantryman close detonation of a 30-50mm shell, which is like an elephant’s pellet)) Not quite so (legs), but in general they will finalize the Ratnik and you can also not put grenades))
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 July 2020 20: 18
            0
            30 agree. 50 mm is already another. Especially if GGE. More explosives equals more speed of a heavy fragment. About the subbarrel, in principle, I agree, but there is a tendency to switch to a thermal bar.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 July 2020 23: 24
            +1
            "For the modern heavy armored infantryman" ////
            -----
            How's that? belay An infantryman sitting inside the MBT? smile
            1. anzar
              anzar 14 July 2020 23: 47
              0
              An infantryman sitting inside the MBT?

              What infantryman is he once sitting? laughing No, something like this
          3. 3danimal
            3danimal 15 July 2020 11: 59
            -1
            For the M-203 there are cumulative shots. For the 30 mm Apache gun, too. We put "Contact" on the infantry? smile
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 10: 04
    +1
    the size of the victims
    Not otherwise, they will go to the elephant or to the whale
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 July 2020 10: 43
    +2
    It's not about the gun It's about the new "wound" shells to it.
    Universal armor-piercing-cumulative-HE shell was developed for MBT (caliber 120 mm) 10 years ago. It is programmed directly in the barrel, equipped with timers and sensors.
    Now the same shell is designed for 50 mm.
    For example: you need to break through the pillbox wall and kill the manpower inside. First, the cumulative jet is activated, which will make a small hole. The projectile itself is "screwed in" there, expanding it. Once inside the bunker, the shell will detonate its high-explosive fragmentation filling.
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      equipped with timers and sensors <...> First, the cumulative jet is activated <...> will blow up its high-explosive fragmentation filling

      120 mm is understandable.
      But how to pack it all into 50 mm and maintain acceptable parameters of penetration and subsequent explosion?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 July 2020 11: 30
        +1
        Electronics and precision mechanics. Everything is smaller and smaller.
        Already in calibers of 30 mm, wound telescopic shells of high armor-piercing are made.
        And they manage to insert full-fledged seekers into tiny plastic rockets for drones.
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 11: 38
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Electronics and Precision Mechanics

          I’m more about substances. What penetration will a cumulative charge pushed into 50 mm have? How much space will the charge remain?
          Although the electronics, no matter how tiny they are, take their place - everything is 50 mm.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 July 2020 11: 52
            0
            Of course, such a shell will not take the special concrete of the bunker. But usually the infantry takes cover behind concrete blocks with the letter "P" and partitions that protect against bullets, including machine guns. A shell of 50 mm will penetrate such a wall.
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 14 July 2020 22: 59
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Universal armor-piercing-cumulative-HE shell was developed for MBT (caliber 120 mm) 10 years ago
      And how does it differ from the usual cumulative? As a high-explosive one, it’s bad that the place for explosives went under the funnel and the precharge for dynamic protection. But how cumulative it (except for the name and, probably, the price) has not changed.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 14 July 2020 10: 47
    +1
    Well, what can I say, it looks pretty decent.

    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      looks pretty decent

      Probably worth it, too
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 14 July 2020 11: 49
        +3
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Probably worth it, too

        So, according to today's layouts, free only in the eye can be obtained. And even that, you need to earn. hi
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 13: 22
          -1
          Quote: A. Privalov
          So, according to today's layouts, free only in the eye can be obtained. And even that, you need to earn.

          Funny.
          But still between free and expensive - many categories are missing.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 14 July 2020 14: 13
            0
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            But still between free and expensive - many categories are missing.

            Sorry, I didn’t catch what the bargaining was about. Do you buy or sell? hi
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 July 2020 18: 56
              +1
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Do you buy or sell?

              I am asking the price
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 14 July 2020 21: 33
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                I am asking the price

                Well, that’s another matter! Our respect to you with a brush! hi
  • bar
    bar 14 July 2020 11: 24
    +2
    Original. Then they will have to cut the charging "Black Joe". And who will pull the tracks for them? And it smells like racism recourse
  • Klingon
    Klingon 14 July 2020 13: 02
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Startled ... saw our 57 graph paper, and ran after it ... As always, everything super-duper is complicated and expensive. Ammunition, SLA, the gun itself. How to fix it all, adjust in battle conditions? No, not for war all this equipment.

    the good of our 57mm if there are no shells with remote detonation, even the most primitive? Well, yes, of course, you can simply bombard the enemy along a mounted howitzer trajectory with a landmine with an ancient contact fuse during WWII
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 15: 21
      +3
      We do not have 57 mm guns in service with the BMP except on the T 15 - and the fact that in the Epoch complex there is only a 57 mm grenade launcher - the anti-tank missile system transferred the function of fighting against armored vehicles.
  • Lontus
    Lontus 14 July 2020 14: 06
    0
    Well, now the opponents of our 57 mm are a bit smaller ..
  • 5-9
    5-9 14 July 2020 15: 50
    -1
    Something like our short 54mm at the Epoch complex ....
    1. Lontus
      Lontus 14 July 2020 15: 52
      +3
      Quote: 5-9
      Something like our short 54mm at the Epoch complex ....

      57 mm.
      Based on the AGS-57 grenade launcher.
      1. 5-9
        5-9 14 July 2020 15: 59
        0
        of course 57 ...
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 14 July 2020 20: 19
      0
      More like telescopes. And the ballistics are more cannon.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 14 July 2020 23: 14
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    We do not have 57 mm guns in service with the BMP except on the T 15 - and the fact that in the Epoch complex there is only a 57 mm grenade launcher - the anti-tank missile system transferred the function of fighting against armored vehicles.
    ,
    how is it and derivation is there! for air defense and against infantry it would be nice to have a shell with remote detonation, so that right above the tops of the trenches to slam, but the shell is more expensive but their consumption is less. By the way, this 50mm gun is kind of anti-personnel and is positioned, but it also has bops.
    I don’t understand that our industry is not able to cut off programmable 57mm ammunition? The Germans over there in 30 and 35mm calibers rivet
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 15 July 2020 12: 33
      -1
      The Germans make tomographs and Peregrine Falcons. Why is our industry unable to cut them? ..
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 15 July 2020 04: 47
    -1
    It is assumed that the new product will surpass all existing systems in the world.

    To assume and create in reality is, as they say in Odessa - two big differences !!! They have already told a lot of "smart" missiles in the stands - now it is the turn for the guns.