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"Historical Chance." Putin promised housewarming to millions of Russians

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Against the backdrop of the recognition made during the July 13 meeting of the Presidium of the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects that the implementation of some of them is likely to be delayed due to the problems arising from the pandemic, Vladimir Putin’s statement regarding the the historic chance that has arisen today to solve one of the most pressing problems of the Russians - housing.


The head of state came to such an inspiring conclusion after the report of Deputy Prime Minister Marat Khusnullin, who is precisely the curator of the national project “Housing and Urban Environment”. According to a senior official, the ambitious goal of this initiative is the annual commissioning of at least 120 million square meters of housing, which will allow 5 million of our compatriots to make housewarming, will become a very real thing already in 2026. Mr. Khunsullin believes that the attainability of such indicators is evidenced, in particular, by an increase in the pace of housing construction in the country by almost 5%, achieved in 2019.

However, the coronavirus pandemic and related quarantine restrictions could not but have a negative impact on the industry. According to the Vice Prime Minister, in the first quarter of this year, the pace of construction decreased by 11%, however, as he assured the audience, we’ll make up for lost time, and by the end of the year Russians will receive 75-78 million square meters of housing. In the future, according to the head of the national project aimed at providing citizens of our country with apartments, for its successful implementation “very hard work” will be required. Raising from current volumes to the target of 120 million square meters annually will require the construction industry to increase productivity by almost 60%. The task is not easy, but according to Khunsullin, feasible.

In turn, the President of Russia emphasized that one of the tools with which it is possible to implement “historical chance ”, that is,“ in the foreseeable future, absolutely understandable, maybe for the first time in the history of Russia, to radically solve the housing problem ”, it should be an increase in accessibility being a dream, and, as the president said,“ fundamental condition for a normal life ”of our fellow citizens and comfortable apartments. On the one hand, this goal should be achieved through a radical reduction in costs during the construction itself, and on the other, through the continuation and comprehensive expansion of mortgage programs for the purchase of housing by Russians.

It should be noted that the weighted average rate on such loans has already fallen below the 2018% mark originally set in 8. Add to this the program for preferential mortgages at 6,5% (valid for 30 years) for loans of up to 3 million rubles in the regions and up to 8 in St. Petersburg and Moscow. By the way, Vladimir Putin initiated the expansion of its framework by increasing the maximum lending amounts to 6 million at the regional level and 12 in the capital and city on the Neva. According to Marat Khunsullin, thanks to these measures, more than 1,4 trillion rubles were “poured” into the Russian economy, which became a powerful incentive for the development of construction.

In the “apartment” conversation, the president also mentioned the new principle of the work of Russian developers that came into effect on July 1, 2019: not directly with the money of interest holders, but through escrow accounts, which they can receive funds only after the official commissioning of the property that they built housing. According to Vladimir Putin, this measure has seriously contributed to the improvement and purification of the industry from unscrupulous “players”, which, in turn, has become an incentive to increase the confidence of Russians in the process of purchasing apartments in new buildings on credit. As the president said, no one in the country's leadership intends to “taxi back” on this issue and again transfer the probable risks onto the shoulders of citizens.

Will truly grandiose plans in terms of scope and social significance be fulfilled? First of all, it depends on the willingness and ability of the state to continue to shoulder the shoulder to those who provide the Russians with the opportunity to celebrate housewarming. Recall that the government allocated 12 billion rubles to support banks to compensate for their financial losses when issuing soft loans to developers in accordance with an order from the president. And this is just one of the points of a fairly comprehensive housing support program. The same mortgage loans last year were issued for 2,7 trillion rubles. Let’s hope that our country will have enough for our plans, and forces, and means, and will, and perseverance.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 14 July 2020 15: 07 New
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    O. Putin again promised millions of Russians. Millions of Russians, of course, believed. After all, Putin never deceived anyone; he always kept his word tight. A real colonel.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 July 2020 15: 11 New
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      Will truly grandiose plans in terms of scope and social significance be fulfilled? First of all, it depends on the willingness and ability of the state to continue to shoulder the shoulder to those who provide the Russians with the opportunity to celebrate housewarming.

      Without a doubt - will not! Moreover, no one will be held responsible for balabolstvo ..
      For some reason, all media are modestly silent about how much the percentage of bad loans increased .. That’s why they would compare carrots to the nose ..
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 14 July 2020 15: 17 New
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        And I remember how the citizens of the USSR were promised "... each family an apartment by 2000 ..."
        Twenty years have passed, fewer citizens, and everyone promises ...
        1. Guards turn
          Guards turn 14 July 2020 15: 27 New
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          The cessation of the existence of the USSR. December 26, 1991. You need to ask your friend Kravchuk.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 14 July 2020 16: 47 New
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            If the promises were kept ...
            Okay Khrushchev, by the 1980s he promised to build communism, but it was removed.
            But Chubais promised to change the Volga for every vucher by the year 2000 ... And, unlike Khrushchev, he was still alive, and with the money ...
            1. Guards turn
              Guards turn 14 July 2020 16: 54 New
              0
              In the light of recent events, no one guarantees anything.
            2. at84432384
              at84432384 14 July 2020 18: 15 New
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              Two Volga, literally. Khrushchev turned out to be, against the background of the current ones, not so much a talker - "communism" in the view of that leadership was the availability of free bread in canteens. In the factory by the 80th, something like that was ...
            3. kutuz
              kutuz 14 July 2020 19: 05 New
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              "for every day of the Volga" - it looks like a punishment!
          2. snucerist
            snucerist 15 July 2020 08: 37 New
            +3
            Kravchuk at what?
            If this is the question, then Russia initiated the collapse of the USSR BEFORE Ukraine.
            Russia declared sovereignty on June 12, 1990, and Ukraine only on July 16, 1990.
            1. Guards turn
              Guards turn 15 July 2020 08: 50 New
              0
              In 1990, everyone who could catch a fish in troubled waters joyfully rushed to gain sovereignty over their ears, completely not thinking about what sad consequences this led to.
            2. Glory1974
              Glory1974 15 July 2020 10: 17 New
              +5
              Russia initiated the collapse of the USSR BEFORE Ukraine.
              belay
              How can this be if Yeltsin and Kravchuk and Shushkevich jointly signed the Bialowieza Accords?
        2. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 14 July 2020 15: 38 New
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          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And I remember how the citizens of the USSR were promised "... each family an apartment by 2000 ..

          The homeland of her husband, a regional center on the edge of Moscow region. For the period 1970-1990, about 60-70 five-story buildings were built, I did not count them, I just judge by numbers. Mostly 90 apartments. 90s - one, about 60 approximately. Putinism .... Zero point zero. 5000 apartments in the last 20 years of the USSR, 60 under Yeltsinism, 0 under Putinism. And such arithmetic applies to the whole country that does not fall within the borders of the intramuscular and other similar. There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Yeah.
          1. Achilles
            Achilles 14 July 2020 15: 58 New
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            Do not drive nonsense, for example, here in Volgograd, every year a lot of houses are built. Do not mislead people
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 14 July 2020 16: 12 New
              -18
              I confirm that many houses are being built in Volgograd.
              1. Vladivostok1969
                Vladivostok1969 15 July 2020 01: 56 New
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                I confirm that many houses are being built in Volgograd.

                Not too little is being built in Vladivostok. But they are settled at best by one third. The cost of a square meter is from 120000 rubles. No mortgage with a mat. capital will not help to buy such an apartment
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 15 July 2020 16: 19 New
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                  50 squares is quite realistic to buy in 10 years at a price of 120000 rubles per square.
                2. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 18 July 2020 05: 31 New
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                  They went too far. New buildings from 60 thousand per sq.m. There are also 120 thousand per square meter, depending on location and comfort. In St. Petersburg, prices in new buildings are approximately the same as in Vladivostok.
                  On the other hand, if in Russia there are about 20 million poor people who are short of food and clothing ...
                  1. Vladivostok1969
                    Vladivostok1969 19 July 2020 11: 38 New
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                    In Vladivostok, Primorsky Territory, there is an increase in the cost per square meter of housing both in the secondary market and in the new building.
                    See also: Mortgages in the Russian Federation are getting cheaper, but housing is not becoming more affordable - opinion
                    The average market price of the offer in the secondary housing exceeded 120 thousand rubles per square meter. meter, maximum cost - 370 thousand.
                    On the primary market, a square costs more than 110 thousand rubles.
                    In June, the average unit price in the secondary housing market in the capital of the Far East was 127 rubles per square meter. meter, this is 038% more than in May.
                    According to appraisers, an apartment in the center of Vladivostok is being sold for an average of 167 rubles per square meter. The price range of the offer was from 753 rubles per sq. meter to a record 46 535 rubles, writes IA PrimaMedia.
                    Especially expensive apartments on Egersheld, on the First River and on the Third Rabochaya. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/realty/44457431/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
              2. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 16 July 2020 08: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                I confirm that many houses are being built in Volgograd.

                Yes. For example, on the former territory of STZ.
                But who is buying these apartments? And where will the people who could live in these houses work?
            2. tech3030
              tech3030 14 July 2020 16: 44 New
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              And will they give you an apartment there for free?
              1. mark2
                mark2 14 July 2020 18: 15 New
                +3
                But Putin did not promise for free. By preferential mortgage.
                1. blackice
                  blackice 21 July 2020 10: 34 New
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                  How much is a preferential mortgage? 30% mortgage overpayment for the entire loan period?
                  What percentage of the population can afford a mortgage in a city with a normal labor market?
                  In Muhos .... ska, without work, apartments are not needed for nothing.
                  Apartments abandoned across Russia for two new Moscow will be typed.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 14 July 2020 18: 40 New
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                Why, I already have them.
          2. your1970
            your1970 14 July 2020 17: 09 New
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            Quote: Lannan Shi
            Homeland of the husband district center on the edge of Moscow region.

            Quote: Lannan Shi
            5000 apartments in the last 20 years of the USSR, 60 under Yeltsinism, 0 under Putinism.
            - please name this settlement Moscow areas (and even district center) - in which housing is not being built ...
            I'd like to see this desert - where for some reason Muscovites do not build cottage villages
            fool fool
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 14 July 2020 17: 40 New
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              Quote: your1970
              Please name this settlement of the Moscow region (and even the district center) - in which housing is not being built ...

              Zaraysk. You can go and see.
              1. your1970
                your1970 14 July 2020 18: 12 New
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                it’s completely being built, there are cottages on 2 Streletskaya, at least I saw offhand
                But you are modest that most of the city is the private sector
                The line for free housing on the administration website 331 people - for 23 inhabitants is quite a bit
                1. blackice
                  blackice 21 July 2020 10: 40 New
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                  And what, what did the kitties see?
                  For example, my salary at the local level is not very bad, but I've been building myself a house for 5 years now. Because communication is still a financial joy, but as soon as I finish it, someone like you will come and start skipping that, they say, we live badly.
                  We would have lived well, built in 2 years.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 21 July 2020 11: 12 New
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                    Quote: blackice
                    For example, my salary at the local level is not very bad, but I've been building myself a house for 5 years now.
                    -in the USSR for 2 years they built houses for themselves only and exclusively "business" - gynecologists / dentists / traders of all stripes / crooks / traffic policemen / and so on ....
                    Everyone else was building - long!!!
                    Quote: blackice
                    We would have lived well, built in 2 years.

                    It turns out that my grandfather was building a house (adobe !!! and with a toilet on the street) in the USSR 12 years - lived not just badly, but wildly bad ??? fool fool

                    But the question was not that - the question was that nothing is being built (like !!!) in Zaraysk .....
                    1. blackice
                      blackice 27 July 2020 06: 45 New
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                      Well then.
                      Under construction.
                      Commercial.
                      For the Boeing price.
                      No wonder there is an anecdote about why housing in Miami costs less than on Rublevka? Because further from the Garden Ring.
                      As for the USSR, I have not seen anyone who built houses for 12 years.
                      My friends' father (the driver of KrAZ at the mine) built it in 2 years. Probably it's not the USSR but the grandfather?
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 27 July 2020 09: 04 New
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                        Quote: blackice
                        As for the USSR, I have not seen anyone who built houses for 12 years.
                        My friends have a father (KrAZ driver at the mine) for 2 years built. Probably it's not the USSR but the grandfather?

                        The father of your acquaintances = traffic cop lol
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        For example my friend 25 years the house was built, since the mid-80s. But their neighbors are for a couple of years otrohali. One is a traffic cop,
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 04: 32 New
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              Quote: your1970
              - Please name this settlement of the Moscow region (and even the district center) - in which housing is not being built ...

              And how it is being built. For example, my friend was building a house for 25 years, since the mid-80s. But their neighbors took a couple of years back. One - a traffic cop, the other - on the immigration of nonsense.
          3. CSKA
            CSKA 14 July 2020 17: 20 New
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            Quote: Lannan Shi
            And such arithmetic applies to the whole country that does not fall within the borders of the intramuscular and other similar. There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Yeah.

            Your next lie. Come to Krasnodar, Rostov, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Samara, Ufa, Sochi and see with your own eyes how many neighborhoods have been built. And I just named those in which I was recently.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 14 July 2020 17: 47 New
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              Quote: CSKA
              Drive to Krasnodar, Rostov, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Samara, Ufa, Sochi

              Laponka, by virtue of my past work, I have seen the European part of Russia better than you. And not from the front window, but from the inside. And I would like to clarify that the cities you have listed are by no means the whole country, but its small part. But if you stick your nose out of their limits ... Kirov is especially indicative in this regard, the region is degrading a little faster than others. The regional center, and around the taiga, 20 years ago the former fields. This is the future of the country. MO incidentally is no exception. I live 35 km from Moscow. The field, behind the back gate, is turning into a forest before our eyes. Yeah.
              1. CSKA
                CSKA 15 July 2020 11: 26 New
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                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Laponka, by virtue of my past work, I have seen the European part of Russia better than you. And not from the front window, but from the inside

                Yeah. That is, already renouncing his lies about:
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                Putinism .... Zero point zero.

                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And such arithmetic applies to the whole country that does not fall within the borders of the intramuscular and other similar. There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road

                Which is to be expected.
                Now about Kirov and the rest. What kind of back streets you climbed is your business, but I will reveal a terrible secret to you. SO WORLDWIDE. Many more are being built in New York, not Cheyenne, in London, and not Ipswich, in Paris, and not in Rouen.
                What are you trying to prove?
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                The regional center, and around the taiga, 20 years ago, the former fields

                Was it different under the USSR? Or in other small cities? In the same way, Moscow and large cities were built up, and in some minor devastation it was even worse.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                And I would like to clarify that the cities you have listed are by no means the whole country, but its small part.

                ))))) The small part? Population, see large cities.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                This is the future of the country.

                What is the future?)))))) Fields around cities? Or taiga? so don’t worry, cut down.)))) Only you will whine that forests are cut down.
                Quote: Lannan Shi
                I live 35 km from Moscow. The field, behind the back gate, is turning into a forest before our eyes. Yeah.

                Yeah. Only you would be better silent about the Moscow Region. more than once, almost everywhere. and I saw very well both the roads and the infrastructure.
                1. blackice
                  blackice 21 July 2020 10: 45 New
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                  Was it different under the USSR? Or in other small cities? In the same way, Moscow and large cities were built up, and in some minor devastation it was even worse.

                  Oooh, kremlebot is on the attack !!!
                  Where in the USSR was the backwaters worse?
                  I have traveled all over Russia and I can confidently say that there were more cities inhabited by people in the USSR than now by an order of magnitude. Accordingly, the work was and earnings.
                  As for the south, who lives there? Those who made money on the watch in the north. If somewhere it is added, then somewhere it decreases. And that's a fact.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 21 July 2020 11: 16 New
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                    Quote: blackice
                    I have traveled all over Russia and I can confidently say that there were more cities inhabited by people in the USSR than now by an order of magnitude.
                    -in the USSR in 60-70, 9 large villages were bent down - to zero.
                    All the remaining villages are still alive.
                    And then and now, the people left these villages regardless of whether there was work in the village or not ..
                    1. blackice
                      blackice 27 July 2020 07: 03 New
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                      I wrote about cities, no?
                      At a glance, I can name several cities from which only empty houses remained.
                      Iultin. Chukotka. GPK Iultinsky. Silver, tin, tungsten.
                      Schmdt. Chukotka. V.Ch. The airport.
                      The pier. Primorsky Krai. V.Ch.
                      Finwhal. Kamchatka. V.Ch.
                      Mgachi. Sakhvalin. Mines.
                      Colendo. Sakhalin. Oil industry
                      And how many more are on the verge of extinction. That is, a full 0 is approaching
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 27 July 2020 09: 10 New
                        0
                        Under the USSR, a lot of things were built - economically inexpedient ... which in turn caused the collapse of the USSR ...
                        People do not want to live near the devil on cake, and even with large salaries it is difficult to lure them there
                      2. blackice
                        blackice 29 July 2020 04: 04 New
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                        Aaaaa, of course !!!!
                        Then you could not be asked about the economic feasibility of this or that enterprise, object.
                        Only then did the facts emerge, who received from whom and how much for the closure of certain mining and production facilities.
                        I wish you to become president. You know so much and understand that it is just criminal negligence to sit on this site !!! You urgently need to take care of the country !!!
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 29 July 2020 07: 48 New
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                        Quote: blackice
                        Only then did the facts emerge, who received from whom and how much for the closure of certain mining and production facilities.

                        And for example, who and how much received first for opening, and then for closing the Dead Road? They threw it at such an accelerated pace - that even steam locomotives were not overtaken from there !! !!
                        Or who and how much received for the Sakhalin tunnel? We started and gave up almost immediately!

                        And there were a lot of such construction projects in the USSR
                      4. blackice
                        blackice 1 August 2020 04: 25 New
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                        Aaaaa, yeah. Only then did they start building, faced problems and abandoned.
                        And they abandoned the Sakhalin tunnel not because of bribes or lack of prospects, but because of the lack of technology.
                        But how can you justify the closure of existing enterprises?
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 04: 39 New
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        Quote: CSKA
        . And I just named those in which I was recently.

        Stop at the village of Novoselskoe in Tula. reg. However, you won’t go there, you will return with matyugans.
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 15 July 2020 11: 36 New
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          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Stop at the village of Novoselskoe in Tula. reg. However, you won’t go there, you will return with matyugans.

          And you should have it like Moscow City? And you can’t tell in which country of the world each village and village is built up like a picture?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: CSKA
            And you can’t tell in which country of the world each village and village is built up like a picture?

            I won’t tell you. I can only say that they sold everything from lanterns to fantas, from vodka to Baikal.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 15 July 2020 13: 08 New
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              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I can only say that they sold everything from lanterns to fantas, from vodka to Baikal.

              Where is there?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 13: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: CSKA
                Where is there?

                It was a mine village hell knows what (number 26, sort of).
      3. adler87
        adler87 20 July 2020 19: 59 New
        +1
        Well, you will come to Murmansk and the region and see how it is being built there. What to look at is not being built in any way.
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 14 July 2020 22: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And I remember how the citizens of the USSR were promised "... each family an apartment by 2000 ..

      The homeland of her husband, a regional center on the edge of Moscow region. For the period 1970-1990, about 60-70 five-story buildings were built, I did not count them, I just judge by the numbers. Mostly 90 apartments. 90s - one, about 60 approximately. Putinism .... Zero point zero. 5000 apartments in the last 20 years of the USSR, 60 under Yeltsinism, 0 under Putinism. And such arithmetic applies to the whole country.that did not fall within the boundaries of the intramuscular and other similar. There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Yeah.

      ===
      devastation, hell, mordor. here continuation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bOtlYnw4XY
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 15 July 2020 08: 57 New
      -6
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Zero point zero. 5000 apartments in the last 20 years of the USSR, 60 under Yeltsinism, 0 under Putinism.

      Lying illiteracy:

      m2 of housing per person in Russia according to Rosstat: https: //www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/jil-f/jkh39.htm

      in 1990 - 16,4 m2 / h

      in 2020-25 m2 / person
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 15 July 2020 10: 23 New
        +2
        in 1990 - 16,4 m2 / h

        in 2020-25 m2 / person

        and when compared with the population? It used to grow, now it decreases every year. If not built, the number of meters on the survivors will increase.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 15 July 2020 10: 57 New
          -5
          Quote: glory1974
          and when compared with the population?

          The population is practically the same
          Quote: glory1974
          It used to grow, now it decreases every year.

          Since 1991extinction-consequence предыдущих decades (depopulation since 1964), since 2008 - small growth, now - at the same level
          1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
            Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 20 New
            -4
            depopulation since 1964), since 2008 a slight increase

            Come on!
            Are you serious?
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 15 July 2020 12: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
              Come on!
              Are you serious?

              says so official statistics. Even the lying Soviet ..

              such things, you could know .....
              1. blackice
                blackice 21 July 2020 10: 50 New
                -1
                There is also the Levada Center.
                There is also a nullified king. So, judging by his words, we have only the rich 1%, the middle class 98% (according to the method of disappearing 150% of the living wage) and 1% of drunks.
      2. blackice
        blackice 21 July 2020 10: 47 New
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        Wow !!!
        Were all the people counted or only the people of the Ozero cooperative?
    4. Donald72
      Donald72 16 July 2020 18: 24 New
      +1
      In Tyumen, every year 2-3 in the area a new one is laid. Bridges are being built in bundles. I’m not saying that this is true in the whole country, but beyond the MKAD there is life.
      1. blackice
        blackice 21 July 2020 10: 51 New
        0
        Still would!
        How many percent of your companies are circling around oil?
    5. Machito
      Machito 17 July 2020 11: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Lannan Shi
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And I remember how the citizens of the USSR were promised "... each family an apartment by 2000 ..

      The homeland of her husband, a regional center on the edge of Moscow region. For the period 1970-1990, about 60-70 five-story buildings were built, I did not count them, I just judge by numbers. Mostly 90 apartments. 90s - one, about 60 approximately. Putinism .... Zero point zero. 5000 apartments in the last 20 years of the USSR, 60 under Yeltsinism, 0 under Putinism. And such arithmetic applies to the whole country that does not fall within the borders of the intramuscular and other similar. There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Yeah.

      In Moscow, too, is not chocolate. Why do we need this Big Moscow? Instead of developing regions, they build this anthill. That we don’t have land for construction projects? With this self-liquidation, a ghetto was organized in Moscow in general.
      And the promises of the president inspire little confidence. 25 million high-tech jobs and pension reform have shown what his words are worth.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 14 July 2020 15: 43 New
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    and on the other, through the continuation and comprehensive expansion of mortgage programs for the acquisition of housing by Russians.

    That is, to plant everyone in this slave bondage called MORTGAGE. In general, there was no shame in conscience for the helmsmen, and there was no respect and care for their people either. Yes, and whether initially it was all with them, big doubts.
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Twenty years have passed, fewer citizens, and everyone promises ...

    Under Brezhnev, they completely solved the housing problem, and it’s free for workers.
    1. your1970
      your1970 14 July 2020 17: 14 New
      -11
      Quote: NEXUS
      Under Brezhnev, they completely solved the housing problem, and it’s free for workers.
      -Yes well nafig about "decided !!!"
      Otherwise, Gorbi wouldn’t push about "an apartment for everyone by 2000 ...."
      And yet, of course it’s free, only for this it was necessary to work at the plant for some years. And the factory should not be chosen anyway, but a decent one, which he built his own housing or knew how to knock out building limits. .
      Aunt 14 years in line defended until received - the children managed to grow up and left ....
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 July 2020 17: 20 New
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        Quote: your1970
        -

        Estimate, decided at Brezhnev ... it is a fact. And the fact that the tagged one was wise ... so what to take from a prostitute who sold the country for one hundred tons of greens?
        1. your1970
          your1970 14 July 2020 17: 59 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          Estimate, decided at Brezhnev ... it is a fact.
          - belay а whence 3 years later a crowd of apartmentless people came running - with which Humpbacked promised housing only by the year 2000 ??
          "Cut the size - otherwise now the whole Ikarus will carry the moose" © anecdote

          Quote: your1970
          Aunt 14 years in line defended until received - the children managed to grow up and left ....
          - stood in line in 1972 - received in 1986
          Moreover, those who got in line later than 1977 - have not received a shish already
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 04: 46 New
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            Quote: your1970
            stood in line in 1972 - received in 1986

            And take my dad. Fled to the Far East in the 70s, for the money, he was removed from the queue. Pinned up, set again. At the end of the USSR, a family of four received a little more than 80 squares.
            1. your1970
              your1970 15 July 2020 10: 21 New
              0
              she’s ITRovets, worked all her life at this plant, they didn’t take off the queue ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: your1970
                , all my life I worked at this plant, they didn’t take off the queue ...

                Depends on the enterprise. And a deep bow to our Konstantin Konstantinich. In all the apartments where they moved in, there was very good plumbing, from pink toilets to gas stoves with lighting.
            2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
              Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 23 New
              +2
              received a little more than 80 squares for a family of four

              Well, what are you mocking.
              We have 4 58 squares. laughing
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                Well, what are you mocking.
                We have 4 58 squares.

                Yes, you can’t believe me, what ... Families with same-sex families were given apartments of about 70 squares, our drunk from disassembly got 40 for something, our crane operator with a child received a similar one, and our communist blacksmith refused, saying that he lives well in his apartment.
                1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                  Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 34 New
                  0
                  Clear.
                  When we got the little brothers were not there yet.
                  There were three of us.
                  Another +++++++++++++
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 18: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                  When we got the little brothers were not there yet.
                  There were three of us.

                  I wonder what the three mean?
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 15 July 2020 10: 21 New
          0
          and where, after 3 years, a crowd of apartmentless people came running - with which Humpback promised housing only by the year 2000 ??

          Then the country's population increased.
          1. your1970
            your1970 15 July 2020 11: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: glory1974
            and where, after 3 years, a crowd of apartmentless people came running - with which Humpback promised housing only by the year 2000 ??

            Then the country's population increased.
            10 times? 20? in 100?
            If Brezhnev needs zero - as the opponent claims
            Quote: NEXUS
            When Brezhnev fully solved the housing issue
            - just in 3 years, Gorbachev says that he will provide the need only by the year 2000 - that is, through 16 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) years
            What happened in these three years - did the houses fall or the population grew by 100 million, which took about 16 years to fully provide housing?

            NEXUS the nonsense blurted out - there was no full security under Brezhnev, they strove, but even 50% of the security was not, therefore, such terms of -16 years arose
            1. kot28.ru
              kot28.ru 17 July 2020 10: 03 New
              +1
              That's right. If you consider the Bamovye temporary huts, where people still have to live, to be considered housing, then yes, he has provided ... In our far from the Moscow Ring Road Blagoveshchensk, housing has been built, by the way, more and more in the last 20 years! This is for Lana Shi: )))
              1. blackice
                blackice 21 July 2020 10: 55 New
                -1
                Free?
                The number of new buildings from the plane is especially noticeable. wink
    2. at84432384
      at84432384 14 July 2020 18: 30 New
      10
      With such a mortgage interest, the apartment will come out in 2-3 ends. But to find a plant where you can earn so much is problematic, so that it would not be bankrupted by "effective managers" ... Here, perhaps, it is better to wait 14 years.
  3. CSKA
    CSKA 14 July 2020 17: 22 New
    -21
    Quote: NEXUS
    That is, to plant everyone in this slave bondage called MORTGAGE.

    The entire civilized world, in all developed countries, is buying mortgages in apartments.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 July 2020 17: 24 New
      20
      Quote: CSKA
      The entire civilized world, in all developed countries, is buying mortgages in apartments.

      No, dear ... this is not a civilized world, this is a CAPITALIST world, where only a few people live well. But in the USSR there was a civilized world, for the STATE took care, protected and educated its citizens for FREE.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 17: 54 New
        -20
        Capitalism is inequality in wealth, socialism is equality in poverty. What do you prefer? The state, which the USSR certainly took care of, but also demanded a lot in return. Moreover, without the possibility of choice and deciding everything for you, down to your personal addictions.
        1. at84432384
          at84432384 14 July 2020 19: 00 New
          14
          The median salary in the Russian Federation is 24. half of the employed get more, half less. Where is the wealth? A handful of "privatizators" and their servants? Does the current Russian state demand anything ?! And what choice do citizens of the Russian Federation have? And how they decide for us very revealingly in the last months - they came up with some kind of "terribly lethal and infectious" virus and deprived the ordinary population of ordinary human rights, and without a trial or investigation (where are you Constitution? Aw!). And the mortality rate for the 000st quarter of 1 decreased compared to the same period in 2020 (this is about the "deadly" danger of COVID-2019). And there is simply no state in Russia. There is a legion of thieves-officials, but there is no state. The President ordered to pay extra to medical workers, the money was allocated, but they did not receive it ... Where and to whom the money went is a rhetorical question. So there is no need to talk about "capitalism", which did not exist in the Russian Federation and does not exist. This is how capitalism collapsed in the "civilized" West, as evidenced by zero and negative interest rates in the bank. Everything as Karl Marx predicted.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          socialism is equality in poverty.

          Bullshit. I visited a friend yesterday, so he managed to build a house with 120 squares precisely about socialism.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 11: 33 New
            0
            And what trouble did it cost him? Given that building materials were in short supply under socialism, they were mined. I did the same under capitalism: apartments in St. Petersburg and a house in the Novgorod region. I just remember how Dad and I were built: the third grade board is not defective, the slate was hardly taken out, brick, cement, all in great favor. Now the construction site has it all, any material.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              And what trouble did it cost him?

              25 years built. Senior lieutenant. Despite the fact that a neighbor, in the immigrant service, for two years the mansions wandered off 350 squares by eye.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 12: 01 New
                0
                My father and I were built in the late 70s for 3 years. In the home: father and four sons. Dad engineer on the piece of iron - there somehow you could still get the building material. Now his brother lives in this house: he returned to permanent residence, and I lined up next to me.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 12: 06 New
                0
                And now he would have built hell. If before a bottle of KaMaz plates were taken out ...
              3. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 12: 50 New
                0
                On the contrary: I built in less than a year. The team built, the material in the free sale of what the soul wants, there is no need to get-extract.
    2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 24 New
      +1
      Moderators!
      Enough of interrupting the conversation!
  4. arlekin
    arlekin 14 July 2020 18: 00 New
    -11
    Dear NEXUS, tell me, please, how old are you.
    Reading your statements about life in the USSR, I come to the conclusion that you did not live in the USSR at a conscious age. Too your pubis USSR is different from the one in which I lived. Continuous propaganda propaganda and stamps.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 July 2020 18: 19 New
      11
      Quote: arlekin
      Dear NEXUS, tell me, please, how old are you.
      Reading your statements about life in the USSR, I come to the conclusion that you did not live in the USSR at a conscious age. Too your pubis USSR is different from the one in which I lived. Continuous propaganda propaganda and stamps.

      Dear, I'm 47 years old. Can you count? It may have been shitty for you in the USSR, but it means you also worked shitty, so now scribble about popular propaganda here.
      I have been working since 15 years and work in the same specialty as I received in the USSR.
      1. arlekin
        arlekin 14 July 2020 18: 36 New
        -4
        Counted. You went to work in 1988, and what did you like in the last years of the USSR in 88-91? I remember them with coupons, the absence of months of wages, inflation, the absence of any goods. There was nothing attractive. And you can know about the earlier USSR only from the stories of the older generation, well, even from books and films. I say, you have some kind of fabulous and fake USSR.
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 14 July 2020 22: 23 New
          +7
          Quote: arlekin
          Counted. You went to work in 1988, and what did you like in the last years of the USSR in 88-91? I remember them with coupons, the absence of months of wages, inflation, the absence of any goods. There was nothing attractive. And you can know about the earlier USSR only from the stories of the older generation, well, from books and films. I say USSR you have some kind of fabulous and fake.

          ===
          the ussr was different, and the fairy tale was also missing
          58 years
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 15 July 2020 00: 12 New
          +7
          Quote: arlekin
          And what did you like so much in the last years of the USSR in 88-91?

          Take it a little wrong ... I was born in 74 ... and saw the USSR in different ways. But ... I remember only good things. That until 88-91 years old, so who lived and worked. I worked, received very good money (and this is on the periphery) and at the same time did not care that there would be no tomorrow. How are things going now about tomorrow?
        3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
          Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 26 New
          0
          Is that crazy?
    2. Antokha
      Antokha 14 July 2020 18: 49 New
      17
      Dear NEXUS, tell me, please, how old are you.
      Reading your statements about life in the USSR, I come to the conclusion that you did not live in the USSR at a conscious age.

      I am 48 years old and I perfectly remember the USSR. I have been working since 16 years. The USSR was not a paradise, no one even talks about it. But it was what the Nexus described: a huge amount of free housing, free and excellent education, and free medicine. And there was general employment, and the Kuuuch of jobs to choose for a person of any educational level, in big cities, at least. The problems of the USSR were solved within the framework of the system that was. There were no banks and loan interest, there was an installment plan.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 July 2020 19: 12 New
        17
        Quote: Anton
        a huge amount of free housing, free and excellent education and free medicine.

        And work, unlike today, was to find a TIME TO SPIT. If you want to be educated, if you want to work, just don’t be a parasite. Do you want to study in the capital, please. Do you want to go to the Far East for a long ruble, but for God's sake ... there was a lot of work. And now every capitalist is ready to put up cancer and pay like a camel.
      2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 27 New
        +2
        Well done!!!!
        I fully support !!!
        I firmly shake my hand !!!
  5. mark2
    mark2 14 July 2020 18: 20 New
    -17
    For nothing, just behind the barn.
    And in the USSR, everything was not free. The fact that citizens with their salary sometimes did not pay for anything does not mean that it was free for them
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 July 2020 18: 26 New
      14
      Quote: mark2
      For nothing, just behind the barn.
      And in the USSR, everything was not free. The fact that citizens with their salary sometimes did not pay for anything does not mean that it was free for them

      The fee for this was one-work for your country and do not parasitize. So save your barn for yourself.
      1. _Sergei_
        _Sergei_ 14 July 2020 19: 06 New
        +3
        We gave 1 to 2 apartments per year for the workshop. The line was 64 people. Some retired living in a small family.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 July 2020 19: 09 New
          +6
          Quote: _Sergey_
          Some retired living in a small family.

          But they didn’t rent housing for half their salary ... right?
          1. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 14 July 2020 19: 11 New
            +2
            Living with two children in nine square meters is almost like in a box under a bridge.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 14 July 2020 19: 19 New
            +7
            Quote: _Sergey_
            Living with two children in nine square meters is almost like in a box under a bridge.

            Well, now they are renting apartments, paying half of their salary and moving once every half a year ... blunder. And this despite the fact that only in the capitals by and large do they pay high salaries and sometimes not everywhere.
            People lived in 9 squares with a shared toilet, so what? They didn’t chase iPhones as insane and didn’t measure who was in Bali, and who in a Turkish hotel whiskey cheaply lapped up for free for free.
          3. Alf
            Alf 14 July 2020 21: 11 New
            +7
            Quote: NEXUS
            and who in a Turkish hotel viskar cheap liters for a freebie lapped up as if to himself.

            So in Bali also hit the road strive to take a loan ..
          4. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 15 July 2020 03: 44 New
            -4
            Now in our city to rent an apartment, a very good apartment, together with a communal apartment costs 15 thousand. rubles. And the salaries in our dying city are from 20 to 80 thousand. And the main job can be found. I, in due time, built a house. It was a good salary. True, he took loans, but paid off ahead of schedule. And now and before no one will give you anything for free.
          5. Alf
            Alf 15 July 2020 18: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: _Sergey_
            Now in our city to rent an apartment, a very good apartment, together with a communal apartment costs 15 thousand. rubles. And the salaries in our dying city are from 20 to 80 thousand.

            Two questions.
            1. What kind of city?
            So, lightly, find an RFP of 80 tons? In a dying city? Is your last name Charles Perrault?
          6. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 15 July 2020 19: 53 New
            0
            Altai Territory, the city of Rubtsovsk. Now our local oligarch is opening another production, foundry. I do not know what he will pour there, but he is gaining workers
          7. Alf
            Alf 15 July 2020 20: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: _Sergey_
            Altai Territory, the city of Rubtsovsk. Now our local oligarch is opening another production, foundry. I do not know what he will pour there, but he is gaining workers

            And at what plant do they pay 80 tons? In a city with a population of 142 thousand? Oh well..
          8. _Sergei_
            _Sergei_ 16 July 2020 03: 23 New
            0
            Altayvagon, Almaz (they currently have 5 production facilities), we won’t count the Ural branch of the carriage, there only the testers' salaries are off scale. And now we (among my friends) have many shift workers. The city is considered dying after, it can be said, destroyed by the ATZ (Altai Tractor Plant).
  6. CSKA
    CSKA 15 July 2020 10: 57 New
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Well, now they rent apartments, paying half of their salary

    Where do you live that you give half your salary to an apartment?
  • Victorio
    Victorio 15 July 2020 00: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: _Sergey_
    We gave 1 to 2 apartments per year for the workshop. The line was 64 people. Some retired living in a small family.

    ===
    it was possible to save up to a pension and to a cooperative. it was still possible to tear off an ass, and go to a place where there were fewer problems with housing, since there were almost no problems with employment. from personal: parents received a three-ruble note from the plant in the Kuban after 3 years (60s), after moving to Kazakhstan 2 rooms with a shared room (such as a communal apartment) after 1.5 years (70s), then I separate the kopeck piece after 2 years, and the three-ruble note 5 years. himself, after high school (80s), got odnushku after 5 years
    1. _Sergei_
      _Sergei_ 15 July 2020 03: 52 New
      -1
      I tore off my ass from the factory and went to the Army, where I got an apartment a week later. They didn’t believe me at my former job until they called me for a housewarming party a month later (they did repairs). Then the Russian Railways, where he went on duty. And he built a house where I live now. The house was immediately built for two with his son. Now I don’t want to build anything else.
    2. Antokha
      Antokha 15 July 2020 12: 05 New
      +1
      before retirement and on a cooperative it was possible to accumulate

      Yes sir. My parents relied on an apartment from the state, and they would have received it if they, young and inexperienced, had not been deceived, and not told that they would wait a very long time (they wanted a bribe, but their parents did not understand this). Then my father did not wait any longer, and he and his mother saved up for a cooperative three-ruble note, where I grew up. And a friend of his father - yes, he waited for 20 years for an apartment from the state. But they were not in dire need. With two children at 9 meters you are in dire need. As you can see, there were different options, and the government nevertheless cared as much as it could.
      And the fact that the speed of construction was disgusting under Brezhnev should not be an occasion to destroy the whole country.
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 15 July 2020 12: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Anton
      before retirement and on a cooperative it was possible to accumulate

      Yes sir. My parents relied on an apartment from the state, and they would have received it if they, young and inexperienced, had not been deceived, and not told that they would wait a very long time (they wanted a bribe, but their parents did not understand this). Then my father did not wait any longer, and he and his mother saved up for a cooperative three-ruble note, where I grew up. And a friend of his father - yes, he waited for 20 years for an apartment from the state. But they were not in dire need. With two children at 9 meters you are in dire need. As you can see, there were different options, and the government nevertheless cared as much as it could.
      And the fact that the speed of construction was disgusting under Brezhnev, should not have become an occasion to destroy the whole country.

      ===
      the country was huge, people were different, so the situation with the supply, construction of housing and other things was also different. school years (70th) I lived in the young city of Shevchenko, the houses are beautiful and different, they grew like mushrooms there.
  • CSKA
    CSKA 15 July 2020 10: 37 New
    -7
    Quote: NEXUS
    it is the CAPITALIST world where units live well

    You were there? Something I don’t see, so that only a few would live well with us and them. Although of course I do not know that in your understanding it’s good to live. For me it’s good to live when you have the opportunity to work and earn good money, buy a car, an apartment (yes on credit), go on a vacation. So live that we have that they have millions.
    Quote: NEXUS
    But in the USSR there was a civilized world

    Again, it is not clear what you mean by this word. This is civilized when, for the sake of industrialization, hunger began in the country, despite the fact that the party elite did not starve (just a few). Or is it when people who come out due to price increases are shot, like in Novocherkassk? Or when the party elite, trade and catering workers earn tens of thousands a month, and the rest of the people survive with difficulty on wages, do not have access to most goods and have to stand in queues for hours in short supply? An interesting civilization is obtained.
    Quote: NEXUS
    STATE, cared, defended

    And now does not protect?
    Quote: NEXUS
    educated its citizens for FREE.

    Well, this is perhaps the only one and then with a stretch. Education is now also free, the cost of clothing and office.
  • Alf
    Alf 14 July 2020 18: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: CSKA
    Quote: NEXUS
    That is, to plant everyone in this slave bondage called MORTGAGE.

    The entire civilized world, in all developed countries, is buying mortgages in apartments.

    And then many move into cardboard boxes under the bridge.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 16 July 2020 13: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Alf
      And then many move into cardboard boxes under the bridge.

      What are you? And provide photos of these boxes?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 04: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: CSKA
    the whole civilized world, in all developed countries.

    Well, wind up there.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 15 July 2020 11: 01 New
      -4
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Well, wind up there.

      And everything suits me in my civilized country, it is for you that a lazy person with extensive experience as a mechanic urgently needs to go to a socialist paradise such as the DPRK or Cuba. And then you poor thing you can’t get a job, you don’t want roofing felts.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: CSKA
        this is for you lazy

        Can we decide who the lazy person is? For example, yesterday I welded 15 meters of the fence, dug up a hundred parts of the garden, made and painted a plate with the number of the house. What have you done, hard worker?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 12: 04 New
          -5
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          yesterday I welded 15 meters of the fence, dug up a hundred parts of the garden, made and painted a plate with the house number

          Sp?

          Greetings, by the way, hi
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 14: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Sp?

            What kind of IP? I do not understand you...
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 15 July 2020 14: 36 New
              -3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              What kind of IP?

              Company. Individual. "We are forging for you." We also cook, paint ... and play the pipe, for a fee wink
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 14: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              we cook, paint ... and play on the pipe, for a fee

              So we’ll bungle such things in the garage at least every day.
      2. CSKA
        CSKA 15 July 2020 13: 51 New
        -3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Can we decide who the lazy person is? For example, yesterday I welded 15 meters of the fence, dug up a hundred parts of the garden, made and painted a plate with the number of the house. What have you done, hard worker?

        Well done. And at the same time you earn, as you wrote, 17 thousand a month. And I made two estimates, each half a lyama and sold a little material. Sitting at a computer under the conditioner.))))) And earned your monthly salary in one day.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 14: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: CSKA
          And I made two estimates, each half a lyama and sold a little material. Sitting at a computer under air conditioning.))

          So why are you persecuting me about work? You sit and sit at the computer.
          1. CSKA
            CSKA 15 July 2020 17: 26 New
            -2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            So why are you persecuting me about work?

            I give you advice that you would not find and sit here and not whine about what the state couldn’t help you poor. And then everyone is to blame except you.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 17: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: CSKA
            I give you advice that you would find and not sit here and not whine

            And I ask you, did you raise anything heavy besides the mug?
          3. CSKA
            CSKA 15 July 2020 17: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And I ask you, did you raise anything heavy besides the mug?

            )))))) Imagine yes. Boxes with 5,45 and 7,62, Cliff, PC, RPG-7 and carrots to it. Miscellaneous had to be raised. I’m also an engineer, a person with higher education, when I arrived in the Russian Federation I started working at a construction site, and then a heating installer, until I was transferred to the office.
          4. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 17: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: CSKA
            I’m also an engineer, a person with higher education, when I arrived in the Russian Federation I started working on a construction site

            I got it. My uncle was the same. Only the market did not fit, he died.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 56 New
    0
    Quote: CSKA
    And then you poor thing you can’t get a job, you don’t want roofing felts.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    What have you done, hard worker?

    I will wait a long time for an answer, Papuan?
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 15 July 2020 13: 54 New
      -3
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      I will wait a long time for an answer, Papuan?

      ))))))) Judging by you, you are from Papua. You imagined yourself a great locksmith, that I would quickly answer your questions? Sit and wait for the idler to answer if you have nothing to do. Better yet, go find yourself a good job so that you don’t have time to sit on the forums and whine how you feel bad and how poor the state is to not take care of you.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 14: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: CSKA
        This is for you, a lazy person with extensive experience as a mechanic, urgently needs to go to a socialist paradise like the DPRK

        Quote: CSKA
        wait for the idler answer

        Quote: CSKA
        go find yourself a good job

        Listen, go to hell.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 14 July 2020 17: 49 New
    0
    Forget for free, forever. Free with socialism is over. If you believe in the return of that time, then please drown the old topic, but no - capitalism and free is essentially a catachrez thing, that is, incompatible and suffering "for free" is at least unreasonable.
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 15 July 2020 11: 02 New
      -5
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      Free with socialism over.

      )))) And he was? In the USSR, there was capitalism with a state monopoly and a good social sphere. Do you even read your Marx, what is socialism.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 16 July 2020 09: 53 New
        0
        "... his Marx" ??? laughing Why did the bathhouse burn out? He's more yours than mine
        1. CSKA
          CSKA 16 July 2020 10: 27 New
          0
          Quote: akarfoxhound
          "... his Marx" ??? Why did the bathhouse burn out? He's more yours than mine

          And where did you get the idea that he is mine? Do you think I am a communist? But according to your comment, it seems that you are either a communist or a socialist.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 15 July 2020 09: 03 New
    -7
    Quote: NEXUS
    When Brezhnev fully solved the housing problem, and free of charge for workers.

    Prove with figures and statements of officials about this unprecedented and unknown by anyone .... "victory" belay lol laughing
    1. CSKA
      CSKA 15 July 2020 11: 03 New
      -3
      Quote: Olgovich
      Prove with figures and statements of officials about this unprecedented and unknown by anyone .... "victory"

      )))))) This is a secret victory.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 15 July 2020 12: 09 New
      -5
      Quote: Olgovich
      Quote: NEXUS
      When Brezhnev fully solved the housing problem, and free of charge for workers.

      Prove with figures and statements of officials about this unprecedented and unknown by anyone .... "victory" belay lol laughing

      You do not deny the minuses, the ministers are anonymous funny lol laughing , and FACTS STATED officer persons.

      You have an intestine tonka. lol laughing
  • builder
    builder 15 July 2020 15: 32 New
    +1
    And under Brezhnev, people stood in line for apartments for decades.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 17: 53 New
      -1
      Quote: builder
      people stood in line for apartments for decades.

      Do not ... You're lying.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 14 July 2020 16: 59 New
    +5
    What kind of people are you, how many do not promise, all is not enough!
  • Errr
    Errr 14 July 2020 21: 06 New
    -1
    "Unexpectedly" [actually, quite expected smile] inspired from the 80s:
    Singer: "The slogan is beautiful. The words seem to be sensible ... There is no doubt in the numbers ..."
    Chorus: "Everyone will get a separate apartment in two thousand years !!!"
    And finally, the third verse.
    Singer: "We often hear very suitable words: they say, the peremeeeey are coming ..."
    Chorus: "Only the servants of the people still live better than the owners !!!" laughing
    If anyone is interested: https://namedni-60e-90e.livejournal.com/279552.html smile
  • tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 15 July 2020 09: 33 New
    0
    Remember the KVN of that time, they immediately made an amendment to this slogan of Gorbachev, for a more believable- Everyone will get a separate apartment, after two thousand years!
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 14 July 2020 15: 30 New
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    Well, why are you so critical? With the new constitution, the mountains will now collapse))
  • veritas
    veritas 14 July 2020 15: 49 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Without a doubt - will not!

    It is possible to set up apartments, only for people they, as they were inaccessible, will be so. It is necessary to raise incomes and make a mortgage at 1-2%, then it is possible that something will appear. And sugary promises are already tired. And if you look carefully, again no specifics. What exactly will they do, what program, etc.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 14 July 2020 16: 57 New
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    Yeah .. And 25 million jobs in addition .. And pensions as before .. Well - and so on and so on .. What-what-and our guarantor knows how to promise a lot and deliciously. The sense from his words is less and less ..
  • Alf
    Alf 14 July 2020 18: 29 New
    +7
    Quote: Svarog
    Will truly grandiose plans in terms of scope and social significance be fulfilled? First of all, it depends on the willingness and ability of the state to continue to shoulder the shoulder to those who provide the Russians with the opportunity to celebrate housewarming.

    Without a doubt - will not! Moreover, no one will be held responsible for balabolstvo ..
    For some reason, all media are modestly silent about how much the percentage of bad loans increased .. That’s why they would compare carrots to the nose ..

    So, they sell the law on the mandatory taking of a mortgage by all citizens who have reached 18 years of age.
  • Azis
    Azis 14 July 2020 20: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: Svarog
    Will truly grandiose plans in terms of scope and social significance be fulfilled? First of all, it depends on the willingness and ability of the state to continue to shoulder the shoulder to those who provide the Russians with the opportunity to celebrate housewarming.
    would match a carrot to the nose ..
    You mixed the plant. The form is practically one, but the essence is different
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 14 July 2020 15: 15 New
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    Most interesting: they noticed that he repeated word for word the same thing that he said in 2012.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 July 2020 15: 16 New
      20
      Quote: Deniska999
      Most interesting: they noticed that he repeated word for word the same thing that he said in 2012.

      So the promises are the same and the goals are the same as they were 20 years ago .. He had already memorized by heart what to hang on his ears ..
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 14 July 2020 15: 28 New
      18
      Eeeeeee my friend, do not confuse ... Then he still did not say that we need to jump onto the bandwagon of the last car of the departing train ... And he repeated these words because we had apparently already jumped into the last car and were already running to the train ...
    3. tatra
      tatra 14 July 2020 15: 50 New
      19
      He promises so much that he forgets what he previously promised, and again promises. And he had "galoshes" twice - in 2012 and in 2019.
    4. tech3030
      tech3030 14 July 2020 16: 45 New
      12
      Probably insanity is planned.
    5. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 14 July 2020 17: 51 New
      11
      What are you, how small !? And zeroing! Her, now it’s all over again, only now you know what will happen next and what will be said further laughing laughing laughing
    6. Alf
      Alf 14 July 2020 18: 35 New
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      Quote: Deniska999
      Most interesting: they noticed that he repeated word for word the same thing that he said in 2012.

      Well, excuse me, what kind of piece of paper they found, one on his table and put it. And in the late USSR they still laughed at Brezhnev ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 05: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: Alf
        still laughing at Brezhnev ...

        We laughed when we were young, yes. And, I remember when Leonid Ilyich died, my dad said: "He was a good man ... And where else can we find this?"
  • Vend
    Vend 14 July 2020 15: 41 New
    0
    A lot of housing is being built, but 50 percent of the houses are populated. That's when the state makes it unprofitable to keep housing, then things will move. For example, let real estate agencies, developers, different resellers pay for square meters, like for rented housing, then they move to sell faster And the state will introduce, for example, rental repayment of the cost of housing, a person rents an apartment, and the rent is used to pay off the cost of the apartment. And the state pays income and people pay for their own.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 00 New
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      Quote: Wend
      A lot of housing is being built, but 50 percent of the houses are populated. That's when the state makes it unprofitable to keep housing,

      He won’t do it, because it’s a straightforward gold mine for Glavnyuk. All people will put him in a debt hole for 25-30 years, it’s heaven’s manna for them and banks.
      As here a citizen under the nickname Ivanov wrote to me, "it's so right here and now you get housing. Very convenient."
      Only I do not observe something in this convenience.
      Capitalism does not imply concern for the people; it is only focused on enriching a narrow circle of people. MMM nationwide and even the world.
      1. Vend
        Vend 14 July 2020 16: 19 New
        -15
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Wend
        A lot of housing is being built, but 50 percent of the houses are populated. That's when the state makes it unprofitable to keep housing,

        He won’t do it, because it’s a straightforward gold mine for Glavnyuk. All people will put him in a debt hole for 25-30 years, it’s heaven’s manna for them and banks.
        As here a citizen under the nickname Ivanov wrote to me, "it's so right here and now you get housing. Very convenient."
        Only I do not observe something in this convenience.
        Capitalism does not imply concern for the people; it is only focused on enriching a narrow circle of people. MMM nationwide and even the world.

        In the USSR, everyone was in a debt hole, housing was not the property of citizens, they were called state, but there were cooperative apartments, now they were property of citizens. MMM then which side to the state? This private fraud of citizens was nationwide. A blow to the citizens was inflicted by the state on the bank of the Selenga, in reality people lost a lot of money. which flowed into the bins of the country.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 24 New
          11
          Quote: Wend
          In the USSR, everyone in a debt hole was sitting on housing, apartments were not the property of citizens,

          What was the debt? The fact that it was not privatized by citizens? Can you give an example when you were evicted from apartments for debts under the Union? Or do you feel that you like it?
          Quote: Wend
          MMM then which side to the state?

          So dear ... they remove the last from ordinary citizens and put them on debt, for life. And who takes profit? The right narrow circle of citizens. And you, like a draft horse, pay 30 years for housing, which the STATE is obligated to provide you for FREE! And here the question is not freebies, but the elementary care of their citizens, who are building and developing the country.
          And what citizen V.V. Putin offers is a pure scam, in the spirit of MMM or vouchers.
          1. Vend
            Vend 14 July 2020 16: 44 New
            -8
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: Wend
            In the USSR, everyone in a debt hole was sitting on housing, apartments were not the property of citizens,

            What was the debt? The fact that it was not privatized by citizens? Can you give an example when you were evicted from apartments for debts under the Union? Or do you feel that you like it?
            Quote: Wend
            MMM then which side to the state?

            So dear ... they remove the last from ordinary citizens and put them on debt, for life. And who takes profit? The right narrow circle of citizens. And you, like a draft horse, pay 30 years for housing, which the STATE is obligated to provide you for FREE! And here the question is not freebies, but the elementary care of their citizens, who are building and developing the country.
            And what citizen V.V. Putin offers is a pure scam, in the spirit of MMM or vouchers.

            Just 2 days after the October coup in 1917, the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs Rykov issued a decree "On the rights of city governments in regulating the housing issue" with the following content:

            "1. City governments have the right to sequester all vacant premises suitable for habitation.

            2. City governments have the right, on the basis of the rules and norms approved by them, to instill in the existing residential premises citizens who need the premises, or who live in crowded or hazardous health apartments.

            3. City governments have the right to establish a housing inspection, determine its organization and terms of reference.

            4. City governments have the right to issue binding decrees on the establishment of house committees, on their structure and terms of reference, and on granting them the rights of a legal entity.

            5. City governments have the right to establish housing courts, determine their terms of reference, structure and powers.

            6. This resolution shall be put into effect by telegraph. "
            The living space of the enemies of the people was freed, because families were repressed and, at best, were evicted in remote cities and areas. The seizure of housing in the 1920s-50s very often became the reason for denunciations and accusations of sabotage or espionage by neighbors in a communal apartment or on a floor / porch / house, interested in improving their living conditions.
            The housing situation has also stabilized since about the 1960s. The danger of seizure of living space by the state became minimal, almost always the heirs were recognized as new "responsible tenants" after the deceased, which, however, did not change the property relations in any way - the living space was with people in long-term lease.
            Article 40 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation does not say anywhere that the state should provide housing for free.
            1. Everyone has the right to housing. No one may be arbitrarily deprived of a home.
            2. State authorities and local governments encourage housing construction, create conditions for the exercise of the right to housing.
            3. Poor, other citizens specified in the law who need housing, it is provided free of charge or for an affordable fee from state, municipal and other housing funds in accordance with the norms established by law.
            Commentary on Article 40 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation 1. Housing is one of the most important material conditions for a person's life (along with food, water, clothing, etc.). The right to housing is referred to in Art. 11 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights 1966, in other international documents. In Russian legislation, the concept of "dwelling" is defined in Part 2 of Art. 15 LCD. The Housing Code establishes that a dwelling is an isolated room, which is immovable property, suitable for permanent (and not just temporary) human residence, meeting sanitary conditions, rules and regulations, and the requirements of the law. The types of dwellings are: a dwelling house or part of it; apartment, part of it; room. In 2007, there were 21,1 square meters per person. m of housing (social norm - 18 sq. m). It is predicted that by 2020 the average size of living space per person will be 30-35 sq. m, which is significantly less than in developed countries (60-80 sq. m). The constitutional right to housing means the legally guaranteed opportunity for everyone to be provided with a permanent home. This also applies to foreign citizens, stateless persons who may have housing in Russia, although the procedure for providing housing to citizens of the Russian Federation and those who do not have Russian citizenship, as well as to certain categories of citizens of the Russian Federation, is not the same.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 48 New
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              Quote: Wend
              Just 2 days after the October Revolution in 1917

              I repeat the question, at least one case of the EXTENSION OF a USSR CITIZEN FROM STATE APARTMENT give an example. I don’t need to scribble the laws of 17 years ...
              Under the USSR, housing was issued to EVERYONE, without exception, in spite of prosperity and position. Which side, dear MORTGAGE to justice and care for ordinary citizens of the country?
              1. your1970
                your1970 14 July 2020 17: 31 New
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                When the USSR was given housing ALL without exception, despite the prosperity, and position.
                -That's right all-all??
                but I think - something in our country in 2005 (!!) from a 2-storey building (1940) - a recognized emergency back in 1983 (!!!!!) people were resettled ??
                The administration finally built a house - because of the accident rate it was impossible to privatize
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 14 July 2020 18: 14 New
                  +2
                  Quote: your1970
                  and I think something with us in 2005 (!!)

                  And to read carefully is not fate? I said white and white, PRIZZHNEVA! What year 2005 and what year in this year of the USSR?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 14 July 2020 18: 43 New
                    -1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And to read carefully is not fate?

                    1983 - the house is recognized as emergency. If
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    When Brezhnev completely solved the housing problem,and free for workers
                    - then what the hell only 1 year after his death could not resettled emergency gang ?????????
                    What the hell under Andropov didn’t resettle him ???
                    When Chernenko ??
                    Under Gorbachev ?? well, this one is okay, this one was the General idle breach of the CPSU Central Committee
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 14 July 2020 18: 48 New
                      +2
                      Quote: your1970
                      - then what the hell only 1 year after his death could not resettled emergency gang ?????????
                      What the hell under Andropov didn’t resettle him ???
                      When Chernenko ??

                      Because there were also enough of them. Remind you how many people lived in the USSR? But however, every hard worker, getting a job at the factory, knew that he would receive an apartment ... and no mortgages, interest and other garbage.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 14 July 2020 20: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Because there were also enough of them (??).Remind you how many people lived in the USSR?
                      - oops .... it turns out not all
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      When the USSR was given housing ALL without exceptiondespite wealth and position


                      Quote: NEXUS
                      But however,each a hard worker, settling in a factory, knew that he would get an apartment ...
                      -every?
                      Quote: your1970
                      stood in line in 1972 - received in 1986
                      And those who have stood in line later 1977 - have not received even a shisha
                      -the weary was a factory, by 1977 I built 2 houses and everything on it, amba .... later 1977 I didn’t build at all and the waiting list was left without anyone and / or nifiga .... my aunt got an apartment by chance — a lone ITRovets + a little blackmail died specialty and experience ..

                      Z.Y. Because of these demagogic slogans - "They provided everyone !! blah-blah-blah !! Let's send the 10th pig to Angola to help starving Africa" ​​and the Union collapsed ... On Channel 1 (then !!) one thing - but in life another ...
                      People saw that NOT to all NOT always and NOT everywhere ... and this is where Suvorovs and their ilk made their careers

                      Z.Z.Z. By the way, he’s literally repeating this mistake of the CPSU
                    3. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 05: 16 New
                      +1
                      Quote: your1970
                      there was a sickly factory, by 1977 I built 2 houses and everything on it, amba .... later 1977 I didn’t build at all

                      You know, we even drilled blind holes in the ground, we wanted to build a nine-story building in the late 80s.
                    4. your1970
                      your1970 15 July 2020 10: 29 New
                      0
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Quote: your1970
                      there was a sickly factory, by 1977 I built 2 houses and everything on it, amba .... later 1977 I didn’t build at all

                      You know, we even drilled blind holes in the ground, we wanted to build a nine-story building in the late 80s.

                      apparently a city young was relatively + industrial production
                      If there was the above discussed in Zaraysk - all my life there was a private sector in the mass, then there are 5 five-story buildings, this is a lot, because everyone in the houses were ...
                    5. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 10: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      apparently the young city was relatively + industrial production

                      What does "young" mean?
                      Quote: your1970
                      + industrial production

                      It, yes, when a year and a half ago it was finally closed, the blind cried.
      2. mark2
        mark2 14 July 2020 18: 35 New
        -3
        For example, if a lonely owner of an apartment went on a business trip abroad for several years, then he remained with housing, and if he was sent to prison for several years, then the apartment was transferred to the state.

        And yes, it was impossible for the tenant to be evicted by law if he paid the right price for it.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 July 2020 18: 36 New
          0
          Quote: mark2
          and if he was sent to prison for several years, then the apartment passed to the state.

          No, I didn’t go ... even with articles with confiscation, the apartment remained for those whom they planted.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 July 2020 11: 00 New
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            the apartment remained for those whom they planted.

            Six months later, they deprived of residence registration after landing.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 14 July 2020 18: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: mark2
          And yes, it was impossible for the tenant to be evicted by law if he paid the right price for it.

          Even if he was a complete drunk and a parasite ... it was still impossible to evict.
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 July 2020 10: 00 New
        -6
        Quote: NEXUS
        I repeat the question, at least one case EVICTIONS OF A CITIZEN OF THE USSR FROM STATE APARTMENT give an example. I don’t need to scribble the laws of 17 years ...

        Bah how much illiterate glaring pathos lol : you just need to KNOW that they threw out and even took their OWN housing and took away property from MILLION CITIZENS OF THE USSR -and without a court decision, without anything, for no debts, just like that And this is not 1917, but the 1930s

        For arrears in deliveries (unbearable in principle) - the peasants were SELECTED and sold not only the housing of the peasants, but also the inventory, TABLEWARE, CLOTHES and SHOES, letting bare families of citizens of the USSR in the world from the end of the 1920s.

        Learn WHAT HAPPENED IN THE USSR (OGPU writes):
        Ivanovo-Voznesenskaya lips. With non-payers cattle, sewing machines, samovars, beds, etc. are selected for the tax. household items. One of the defaulters is the middle peasant, as a result of the confiscation of his last cattle, he tried to commit suicide. etc. http://istmat.info/node/24677.

        And it has been for decades!
      4. Vend
        Vend 15 July 2020 11: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Wend
        Just 2 days after the October Revolution in 1917

        I repeat the question, at least one case of the EXTENSION OF a USSR CITIZEN FROM STATE APARTMENT give an example. I don’t need to scribble the laws of 17 years ...
        Under the USSR, housing was issued to EVERYONE, without exception, in spite of prosperity and position. Which side, dear MORTGAGE to justice and care for ordinary citizens of the country?

        Tamara G. Yantsen
        lived in Sverdlovsk, in the house, which was located next to the Main Post Office on Pushkinskaya Street.
        March 25, 1937 was a trial. The three sentenced their father to five years in the camps, the family decided to evict.
        Elizaveta Mikhailova,
        After the first arrest, her father was not allowed to return to his apartment in Veshnyaki. And the family moved to Moldova.
        Alice Meissner A family of pharmacists from Germany, who were related to the legendary Ferrrain dynasty, moved to Russia before the revolution. The Meissner’s metropolitan life ended abruptly. On a national basis. "
        Grigory Tarakanov
        was the director of the plant under construction. The plant was called "cyanide compounds." It was a sensitive enterprise. After being arrested, they drove him out of the apartment.

        Yes, it’s not necessary to invent what was given out to everyone, it was all in the line for the apartment, but not all received it. Yes, they gave out apartments, I had a friend from a communal apartment in the center of Moscow who was resettled on the outskirts of Kuzminki, in Khrushchev, my parents got an apartment, only because there were two children. and before that they lived in a hut, and this is the 70s. After we moved to the apartment, our relatives who lived in it for 8 years, up to 82 years old, got an apartment when the second child was already 5 years old, moved into the hut. You don’t have to paint everything with one rainbow paint. It was different.
  • don-1500
    don-1500 14 July 2020 17: 32 New
    0
    You wrote everything correctly, but only I don't have the feeling that I am "building and developing the country."
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 18: 45 New
      -7
      Well, probably because you really are not building and developing the country.
      1. don-1500
        don-1500 15 July 2020 00: 07 New
        +1
        Here is your opinion Vadim, it is very important for me. Stakhanovets you are ours.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 July 2020 00: 44 New
          -1
          Yes, taxes I pay more than decent per year.
      2. don-1500
        don-1500 15 July 2020 00: 17 New
        0
        I have a son in the army, I am now swallowing dust while cleaning, our state farm was once a "millionaire" now looks as if the German Luftwaffe aviation worked here. And the results of my work end up in the pockets of a handful of scoundrels, your like-minded people. Well let's get me how to build and develop.
        1. your1970
          your1970 15 July 2020 10: 34 New
          0
          Quote: don-1500
          I'm swallowing dust at the cleaning
          - apparently during the USSR you didn’t swallow dust during the cleaning ??
          The only harvester on which in the USSR at least something tried for a combiner, and then, as usual - "Damned place !!" © anecdote
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 July 2020 16: 23 New
          0
          My like-minded people are definitely not there - everything is decent and honest with me and my investment production.
  • Charik
    Charik 14 July 2020 16: 40 New
    +8
    84g-father received 4 rooms -86g bought Lada 08-locksmith, he would have bought a car if he had been for a hut, no need here la la la debt for housing in the USSR
  • tech3030
    tech3030 14 July 2020 16: 49 New
    +1
    We received the apartment in 1991, privatized in 2018. You can sell it, you can exchange it. There were official ones, they probably couldn’t be transferred into ownership.
  • Alf
    Alf 14 July 2020 18: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: NEXUS
    As here a citizen under the nickname Ivanov wrote to me, "it's so right here and now you get housing. Very convenient."

    Especially if you find money for a down payment ...
  • Grading
    Grading 14 July 2020 16: 45 New
    +2
    It is ingenious to you a prize such as a cast-iron rake to turn off the generator of ideas once and for all. And didn’t the idea that the developer was not profitable come to the place where you are eating? And you can shoot them through one for the order of how well you love it.
  • Grading
    Grading 14 July 2020 17: 11 New
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    Quote: Wend
    A lot of housing is being built, but 50 percent of the houses are populated. That's when the state makes it unprofitable to keep housing, then things will move. For example, let real estate agencies, developers, different resellers pay for square meters, like for rented housing, then they move to sell faster And the state will introduce, for example, rental repayment of the cost of housing, a person rents an apartment, and the rent is used to pay off the cost of the apartment. And the state pays income and people pay for their own.

    But the Kremlin boat does not want to tell how it happened that the population of a superpower cannot afford a mortgage? That as a result of a strategic spurt we made a breakthrough of the next bottom and now a salary of $ 300 is not so bad? How did it happen that for the majority of those who voted for you, you scooped out almost everything from your pockets, leaving there a little more than nothing (sorry they deserved it) good
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 18: 48 New
      -7
      Mortgages took 2,7 trillion rubles last year. 500000 families roughly.
  • your1970
    your1970 14 July 2020 17: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Wend
    And the state will introduce, for example, rental repayment of the cost of housing, a person rents an apartment, and the rent is used to pay off the cost of the apartment. And the state pays income and people pay for their own.
    -and what is your option from a mortgage different??? tomorrow he will quit paying, and they will put him in the same way as with mortgages. And if they don’t put it, then what for does he pay?
  • garri-lin
    garri-lin 14 July 2020 19: 59 New
    +4
    Rental repayment of the cost of housing is the mortgage. In its best, true form. But any idea can be perverted by greed.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 14 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +6
    the ambitious goal of this undertaking is the annual commissioning of at least 120 million square meters of housing, which will allow 5 million of our compatriots to celebrate housewarming ...

    And give out 5 million to banks! mortgage loans !!! Hooray, comrades!
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 16: 18 New
    -6
    You see what’s the matter, let’s say some dad has damaged you, he didn’t bargain with you when he took on yours, your price. You can treat his child the way the father of this child treated you, one hell is all that this child will ask you, you have someone to take. But this topic is ugly, requires accuracy of execution, without a court stronger than they beat you you have no right to beat. Of course, if time presses you, you can execute without trial, I assure you, time does not press.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 14 July 2020 17: 23 New
      12
      Beggar Russians, just like that, everything is amicable, and rejoiced at the new promises of "zeroed", to feed banks with their (citizens) money, the so-called "affordable mortgage". yes This is what we call - "national project", such as "affordable housing" in the "man-swath" - "studios of 16-18 sq. M.", Built at random by "irreplaceable" migrants from Bantustans.
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 17: 39 New
        -1
        Do not hold people for idiots. Well, yes, there is an understanding that the president is fulfilling the will of his entourage, but we try to see how relevant his personal weight is, of course, he is not happy that he gave the appointment of the ruler to an irresponsible thought, see that further, I voted against these amendments and the responsibility is not on me, I hope that everything will be normal.
  • Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 14 July 2020 17: 47 New
    +5
    Putin promised housewarming to millions of Russians

    I say it myself - I believe it! laughing
    Millions of Russians, of course, believed.

    But as always.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 14 July 2020 19: 04 New
    +1
    They have been waiting for the promised for three years, but for the fourth they refuse.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 14 July 2020 22: 49 New
    -3
    Quote: Dalny V
    O. Putin again promised millions of Russians.

    Well, what are you grinding ?! The statement of the fact that there is a "historical possibility" is not yet a promise ... The repetition of an unwise idea of ​​the author of the article does not make it true. Although, it may be an elementary labor union of a "group of activists", which creates a false impression of the majority of the population's rejection of the initiatives of the country's leadership. There is such a method of their work (paid, because it is just such a job).
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 15 July 2020 11: 14 New
    0
    Remember KVN in the 90s.
    ... what by the year 2000
    Each family is a freak.
    Increase everyone’s salary,
    Enemies burn their own hut ...
    I do not remember further laughing
  • zenion
    zenion 15 July 2020 14: 53 New
    0
    Barracks have already been prepared, for some reason in the taiga. It remains to establish two more towers of eight and you can take new settlers. Saws are ground, axes on axes. Why are axes? Cook porridge!
  • w70
    w70 17 July 2020 07: 10 New
    -1
    If Stalin promised, you would probably fight in ecstasy
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 July 2020 15: 11 New
    +9
    Vladimir Putin’s statement about the historical chance that has arisen today to solve one of the most pressing problems of the Russians, housing, was more than optimistic.
    ........ Optimism pleases ... However, I recall the statement of M.S. Gorbachev that the citizens of the USSR by 2000 will have a separate apartment and also relied on the calculations of the Gosstroy .. From the optimism of M.S. Gorbachev , only M.S.Gorbachev stayed ... No .... everything can work out here ..
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 14 July 2020 15: 14 New
      21
      Quote: parusnik
      No .... everything can work out here ..

      Gorbachev wasn’t there .. Putin is here, but Putin’s word is iron! He said .. and asked to be treated with understanding ..
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 14 July 2020 15: 23 New
        +8
        Putin is here, and Putin’s word is iron!
        I believe, the city will, I believe, bloom in the garden when there are such people in the Russian country ...
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 11 New
    20
    It is necessary to create conditions for development. 3/4 apartments in new buildings are bought for investment, people who need living space still do not have money to buy.
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 21 New
      13
      3/4 apartments in new buildings are bought for investment
      Exactly..
      Then these same apartments are for rent ..
      At this rate, you can at least build up the whole territory .. the rich will become richer, the poor will remain with nothing ..
    2. unaha
      unaha 14 July 2020 15: 21 New
      +5
      For a general understanding that the function of the state is not to distribute "buns", but to create conditions under which citizens themselves are able to earn for their needs, we need to change a couple of generations.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 July 2020 15: 26 New
        12
        Quote: unaha
        we need a couple of generations to change

        Or bury .....
      2. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 14 July 2020 17: 42 New
        +5
        The function of the state is to work for the masters of the state. In rf ento lagarh and their lackeys. Do not want to get into a mortgage bondage, as you have been importing Asians for a long time. Those rights to land will not be pumped (for now) and the best are adapted to the bayonet. And you will be remembered when plowing is required, if China fights off the invisible hairy arm of the market ...) - not my thoughts, if it’s often. So all sorts of passing bums at the crossroads are so sick.)))
      3. Alf
        Alf 14 July 2020 18: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: unaha
        For a general understanding that the function of the state is not to distribute "buns", but to create conditions under which citizens themselves are able to earn for their needs, we need to change a couple of generations.

        And what are the successes of the state in this?
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 14 July 2020 20: 59 New
          +2
          What's the point in an apartment now? Earlier, when there was a lot of work, an apartment was needed as a permanent place of residence. And now I’m strained with work and we have to follow the work, and not be “attached” to the apartment, as to a place without which there is no way. We need now to look for housing where there is work. And this will be rented housing, well, and build yourself a small apartment or house for old age in a good place with affordable medicine, and access to all the benefits of civilization. You can, of course, build an apartment on a mortgage, and then rent it out and rent housing in the right place with the money handed over, but as experience shows, you need to keep that gimor under control all the time, it takes time and the ability to get there quickly to sort out the situation. So, for me, renting housing at the place of work and saving or building an apartment for old age is the best option. IMHO of course.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 July 2020 15: 24 New
      12
      Quote: Grazdanin
      It is necessary to create conditions for development

      And with us everything is the other way around, conditions are being created to slow down development. Moreover, as always, under the pathos of official slogans. Can all the same those in power have others, for they manage to spoil any undertakings? Even according to the theory of probability, something should come out of them once in a while. But no, they manage to bury everything that they undertake to improve.
      It’s not funny anymore, and I don’t believe in randomness.
    4. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 15: 44 New
      -13
      Real estate is a profitable investment. Good help in old age.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 02 New
        16
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Real estate is a profitable investment. Good help in old age.

        Why did you fly from Mars? What a simple hard worker has a couple of three lyam, so that it’s so easy to invest in real estate? Ale, an alien! fool
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 16: 12 New
          -14
          Aw, you can always scrape together a down payment. And then a mortgage apartment for rent and calmly pay off payments, it happens that a bit remains in your pocket. After a certain number of years, you have a couple of apartments for old age, well, or kids.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 16 New
            15
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Aw, you can always scrape together a down payment.

            Take off your last pants? Aw, Martian, go to the factory, work for half a year, and try to scrape together ... especially if you have a family and children ... fool
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            And then a mortgage apartment for rent and quietly pay off the payments,

            And then Ostap suffered ...
            Where to? For parents for 30 years? What did the renters turn the apartment into in one year?
            PPC businessman ...
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 16: 21 New
              -14
              I rent apartments to adequate people, no one has done anything anywhere. If you chase after superprofits and hand over to Asians, then yes - the apartment is in the trash, but you will also beat the repair.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 26 New
                14
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                I rent apartments to adequate people

                Hand over, who is in the way ... but just how is your "take and hand over" attitude to the example of a turner, or say an installer? And then they also need to live somewhere ... or to hell with them, let them take off from you fellow
              2. ycuce234-san
                ycuce234-san 15 July 2020 11: 06 New
                0
                The renting of apartments by private traders is now surviving in recent years - now the migrant earns better than the local one, so the business will begin to build high-rise dormitories in cities with a large number of them and he will spud them. Hotels in ordinary residential development began to slowly choke.
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 14 July 2020 16: 26 New
            +8
            Welcome to the factory! Decent salary - 25 rubles. You can scrape together, take a mortgage.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 17: 02 New
              -5
              A good turner in St. Petersburg - from 60 tyr. Only turners in the daytime with fire can not be found, these are not managers who are like uncut dogs. The son is looking for a welder for himself at a fifty-fifty car service - there are no fools.
              1. Esoteric
                Esoteric 14 July 2020 17: 08 New
                15
                Peter and Moscow is a completely different country. The fact that the son can not find a welder for 50 tr, well, probably work for 12 hours? Six or even seven days a week? There is no vacation, if I get sick, then I went to hell? Work for the position of a slave, like cattle? Naturally, there is no one. Let him cook. This is not difficult.
              2. Esoteric
                Esoteric 14 July 2020 17: 12 New
                +9
                You try in Europe, try to harness a citizen to work more than 40 hours a week. Yes, they will condemn you, the plaintiff will be a millionaire. There the huckster knows the shore.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 14 July 2020 18: 52 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Ezoterik
                  You try in Europe, try to harness a citizen to work more than 40 hours a week. Yes, they will condemn you, the plaintiff will be a millionaire. There the huckster knows the shore.

                  In Russia, only European prices, but Russian salaries.
              3. Alf
                Alf 14 July 2020 18: 51 New
                +7
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                A good turner in St. Petersburg - from 60 tyr. Only turners in the daytime with fire can not be found, these are not managers who are like uncut dogs. The son is looking for a welder for himself at a fifty-fifty car service - there are no fools.

                Speak prices in St. Petersburg, especially for apartments, and not for Khrushchev.
          3. Alf
            Alf 14 July 2020 18: 50 New
            12
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            And then a mortgage apartment for rent and calmly pay off payments, it happens that a bit remains in your pocket.

            In Samara, rent, excluding communal apartments, a maximum of 12 tons.
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            After a certain number of years, you have a couple of apartments for old age, well, or kids.

            Dvushka BLACK costs 4 lemons. The question for first-graders is how many years 12 thousand will beat 2 million? The answer is after 27 years. And where to live these 27 years? And yet, I knowingly wrote-BLACK. To bring it to mind you need another 1-1,5 lemons. Another 10 years.
            I envy the immortal ...
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 19: 14 New
              -3
              In St. Petersburg, kopeck piece, 25-35 per month + KU, if you rent by the room, you can do more. Heavily dependent on the area.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 14 July 2020 20: 09 New
                10
                and here again it comes down to the fact that the norms live only in Moscow time and St. Petersburg, and the rest are fools in your opinion, which is not yet in the capitals, apparently.
              2. Alf
                Alf 14 July 2020 21: 12 New
                +5
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                In St. Petersburg, kopeck piece, 25-35 per month + KU, if you rent by the room, you can do more. Heavily dependent on the area.

                And how much is a dvushka in St. Petersburg? The proportion is somehow not the same.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 21: 37 New
                  -1
                  4 - 7 on the primary, on average.
                  1. Alf
                    Alf 14 July 2020 21: 39 New
                    +6
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    4 - 7 on the primary, on average.

                    The same goes, 25 years to live somewhere on the side. Do not cut the pie, but the filling is the same.
                    1. Snail N9
                      Snail N9 15 July 2020 00: 04 New
                      +4
                      Lies and does not blush "St. Petersburg". I am also a type of "Petersburg" and I know well the prices on the labor market in St. Petersburg and how much they "really" rent, and not "want to rent" apartments (I rent myself). In fact, salaries in production in St. Petersburg do not exceed 45-55 thousand rubles. 75% of vacancies, in fact, are vacancies with a salary of 35-45 thousand rubles. You still need to look for a salary of 60 and above. For example, my salary as the head of the logistics department is 45 thousand rubles. White and without konyert. Previously, there was a premium in the quarter of 5000 rubles, now there is no crisis. Full of vacancies in 25-30 thousand rubles. BUT. travel in a minibus in St. Petersburg 40-55 rubles one way and the same metro. Renting an apartment is not a problem - there are a lot of offers for different tastes and colors, minimal, for example, in the Ordzhonikidze area (close to Moscow) where I rent a one-room apartment - 15-18 thousand rubles + rent, with all the details. A two-room apartment will be a couple thousand more expensive. There are a lot of offers for delivery and prices are falling. Renting an apartment in general does not "discourage" the costs of its later restoration after tenants, plus the replacement of broken household appliances and furniture. In addition, especially cunning tenants do such nasty things as iridium magnets on the meters or reconnecting electricity meters so that they twist less in violation of seals and all that, and then you will loose it. So, do not listen to nonsense, who have everything in St. Petersburg, such as chocolate, and with earnings and renting an apartment .... St. Petersburg is far from Moscow.
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 15 July 2020 00: 17 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alf
                      The same goes, 25 years to live somewhere on the side. Do not cut the pie, but the filling is the same.

                      I talked about this Martian about the same ... hi
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 12 New
    23
    He promised credit debts to everyone .. who does not have them yet ..
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 14 July 2020 16: 02 New
      13
      Quote: Roman123567
      He promised credit debts to everyone .. who does not have them yet ..

      Not just debts, but LIFE DEBTS.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 14 July 2020 15: 13 New
    13
    Well, finally, they’ll give an apartment! And then, with my wife and my salary of 50 for four, we would save up to 100 years, or give 200
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 18 New
      11
      Now, with Putin, you will give the same amount for 25 ..
      Just eat less ..))
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 14 July 2020 15: 19 New
        +5
        Well, like that, the truth is, I will not live 25 anymore; well, no one else
        1. Roman123567
          Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 22 New
          13
          It doesn’t matter .. banks will find who has an extra kidney in the family ..))
          1. awdrgy
            awdrgy 14 July 2020 15: 23 New
            +3
            Already warmer, already the banks have appeared)
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 July 2020 00: 18 New
        0
        Quote: Roman123567
        Now, with Putin, you will give the same amount for 25 ..
        Just eat less ..))

        I think and breathe identity is limited ... yeah.
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 13 New
    12
    By 2020, Russians will receive an average of $ 2700 a month, have at least 100 square meters per family of three, and the middle class will comprise more than half the population. At the same time, annual inflation will drop to three percent. Such forecasts are contained in the Concept of socio-economic development of Russia until 2020.
    The document appeared on the website of the Ministry of Economic Development.

    Earlier, Vladimir Putin said in February that there is no choice - "it will have to become a great innovative socially oriented power, without giving up competitive raw materials advantages." To implement such a scenario, the concept provides for the use of the Reserve Fund "in the context of a consistent decline in oil and gas revenues." The transformations will take place in three stages: 2008-2012 - breakthrough preparation2013-2017 - breakthrough, from 2018 it is supposed to start consolidation of achievements.

    Already everything that is possibly exceeded ..) _)
  • Courier
    Courier 14 July 2020 15: 18 New
    11
    And will these apartments be distributed free of charge? Chew empty apartments with a shovel, people do not have money for a communal apartment, but here about new apartments. The same zilch like all these pipes, their contractors, kickbacks and infrastructure type.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 16: 00 New
      -13
      With what fright does the apartment own, and even for free? Maybe you can give a car as well?
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 14 July 2020 16: 55 New
        +8
        Yes, we are generally superfluous, and yes we know about this Teachers, historians and philologists who did not fit into the market, so to speak, there are all sorts of other "bad and unnecessary guys" We do not know how to trade fish on the market.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 July 2020 00: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        With what fright does the apartment own, and even for free?

        From such an alien ... because this people lives in this country, develops it, protects and raises its children here.
        But in fact it turns out that the people live here for a narrow circle of rich people, protect their wealth, pay them taxes for it, and even have to be happy with it all.
    2. Sklendarka
      Sklendarka 14 July 2020 16: 30 New
      +6
      Only to those of the 25 million people who work at the promised jobs ...
  • Roman123567
    Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 19 New
    16
    My question is - will we fly to Mars immediately after, or even before that ??
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 14 July 2020 15: 32 New
      10
      I’ve already bought seedlings of apple trees and purchased a plot on Mars, to the cottage ... We fly of course ...
  • Cresta999
    Cresta999 14 July 2020 15: 20 New
    17
    Instead of giving an interest-free loan for the purchase of apartments to families, the state compensates part of the interest to private banks. And now the president says that the amount of such compensation should be increased. Private traders are building, private traders give out loans, the people and the state pay. Only my picture does not add up?
    1. Roman123567
      Roman123567 14 July 2020 15: 24 New
      10
      pays the people and the state.
      Given that the state takes from the people ..
      the picture becomes even more distinct ..))
    2. TAMBU
      TAMBU 14 July 2020 15: 48 New
      12
      as for me, everything is developing very harmoniously ... everyone is happy, except for 95% of cattle ... but it should be so with the existing system of socio-economic relations ... tobish with capitalism.
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 22: 42 New
        -2
        All right, patient people, we ask in the next world, what do you want to do with dibs who consider fulfillment of whims to be a service?
        1. TAMBU
          TAMBU 15 July 2020 00: 19 New
          0
          Well what can I say? in the words of the classic: "Being determines consciousness ..."
    3. Andrey.AN
      Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 22: 26 New
      -2
      Yours is a little inconsistent with the expected authority that appropriated the idea, patriotism is not fidelity to usurped leadership positions by last names, and faith in God is not fidelity to priests. Their hazing should be the same rule as the charter, then you are in favor.
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 14 July 2020 15: 21 New
    17
    by 2020, much was promised, but in fact poverty in the country.
    but this does not apply to billionaire friends, knows who cares
    1. your1970
      your1970 14 July 2020 17: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Warrior StillTot
      by 2020, much was promised, but in fact poverty in the country.
      -in fact, Gorbachev, being the general secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, also ran around the apartment by 2000 ...
      and yes - by 1990, the country was in poverty and raised bull-calves on the streets - to document
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 15: 22 New
    13
    I will quote: "On the one hand, this goal must be achieved through a radical reduction in costs during the construction itself."
    We read between the lines - at best, there will be an analogue of Khrushcheb with a shift towards "Asian standards". Experiments have already been carried out in recent decades. Combined bathroom, microscopic kitchen, no hallway, and so on, etc.
    Well, or it will be another promise from the myriad already dead.
    The problem is not that we do not build much housing, and not so much the cost of mortgages (although this exacerbates) - the problem is that there is a certain% of people in our society who earn extra income, and now I'm not even talking about bourgeois oligarchs . These are TV presenters, officials, deputies, propagandists, top-level journalism, various PR specialists, security officials and others, etc. Where places of bread and butter have long been fed, inflating the states of their relatives, children, former wives, etc. All this horde (and this is not such a small% of society) is invested in the purchase of these same apartments - because bigger game has long landed tight on more appetizing areas that allow you to save and increase easy money. I think many here have heard about the investigation of A. Navalny by Malysheva or Simonyan - this is just the tip of the iceberg, which allows us to imagine more or less only the upper limit of financial flows, abundantly shedding only one artery.
    This is still a large fish - but small things are buying up apartments and sitting on them, 4-6 lodges per soul. And all the decent things that will be set up (IF there will be) will be very well combed out by this category of people who invest and milk, inflating the already inflated housing prices in large cities.
    This is a problem of abrupt tax on lousy deposits of more than 1 million. But the president probably left a solution to this problem for the next twenty years of his activity!
    1. Cresta999
      Cresta999 14 July 2020 16: 00 New
      -8
      Do not refer to the "investigation" of Navalny. In circles of thinking people, this person is not credible.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 16: 04 New
        13
        You can’t argue against the facts - if the Devil crawls out and tells who the sinners are around, we won’t enlist them in the righteous, only because of the figure of their convict?
        1. depressant
          depressant 14 July 2020 17: 39 New
          +9
          Add.
          There was an idea: let’s build housing directly by the state as a customer. People will settle and pay rent not to the landlord AS Ivanov, who spoke out above, but directly to the state, directly to the budget. Apartment buildings. They built 20 pieces. The idea died out - there is no intermediate capitalist, it turns out socialism, a knife in the heart of the system.
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 14 July 2020 17: 57 New
            -6
            We also have apartment buildings - apartments are called, for every taste and pocket. Yes, with an intermediate private homeowner.
            1. depressant
              depressant 14 July 2020 18: 13 New
              +6
              Well, what am I talking about? The state has completely gone out of direct relations with people by putting all sorts of capitalist laying between them and itself — banks, employers, and tenants. Then what is Putin about? He wants to shout to people through this thick layer? It is unlikely that they will understand him. You don’t have to play the leader of the socialist type without being a leader even for the capitalists.
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 19: 08 New
                +7
                I’m afraid that trying to grasp some constructive, targeted-oriented meaning in GDP speeches is a great naivety. At the moment (as in numerous typical appeals to the nation of recent times), I perceive all this phraseology as some kind of spell, caused by vague sensations that somewhere they went too far and the steam gradually begins to accumulate in the teapot. At such moments, we historically got a tambourine and began dancing with vigorous shaking - and vigilant observation of the public - where will there be the most passions because of this? Some piece will be thrown there. Or more spells of a similar plan.

                In any case, a certain amount of housing will be built, a certain amount of mortgages will be disassembled, the numbers will play around as it should and give birth to some kind of increase and "like positive growth dynamics" - this is Byzantium, pieces of paper, pieces of paper .. success will be on pieces of paper))
            2. Oleg Skvortsov
              Oleg Skvortsov 15 July 2020 11: 41 New
              0
              ASIvanov. What are we talking about. This political regime is imprisoned only for hucksters like you.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 15 July 2020 11: 42 New
                -3
                Yes, the current co-op regime is not for those who are used to what their uncle decides. That's for sure.
          2. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 19: 01 New
            +3
            According to the standards, our state has always badly caught up with which people need housing. They preferred working with a kind of obtrusive person, that’s right, and then they went out of panel houses, now humane people, or slaughter houses. The idea that a modern state, sculpting and extolling container cabins for the Moscow Region military, will cope with this task ..
            But, as they say, criticizing - offer. In my opinion, the issue of housing and (incidentally) demography will be solved:
            1) The state buys back the share of apartments in ANY apartment building under construction - already at the stage of approval-design. This makes the state interested in the fact that this housing has been completed, and therefore makes government agencies more attentive to related issues (including the issue of pricing). This share is typical apartments, and not some of the most sloppy pieces.
            2) Since our population growth is quite modest - for every second and further born child from birth, an account is assigned to which% of the surplus income of the state industries / taxes on excess profits / luxury / sale of the confiscated property of the thieves / corrupt officials are received. By the age of majority, a certain amount will accumulate on such a (closed) account - while whiling away all these years, it will not just "lie" and will not fall into your hands - it will turn over like pension money and the margin will also go to this account. By the age of majority, the subject will be asked to redeem these same apartments from the state for the funds of this account - either by paying off the balance immediately, either in the form of a mortgage, or by postponing the purchase - and allowing these funds to continue to scroll for some time in the state economy (without receiving profits for account after 18 years of age, excluding% on the scrolling of these funds).
            3) If such a person wishes to marry the holder of the same non-closed account - the purchase invoices are summed up - and the positive difference between the purchase and the account (if any) is added to their child’s account (remaining in the economy until then), or monetized and issued on hand.
            4) At the first stage of the implementation of such a program - the above type of housing would be surrendered by the state to young families with two or more children - with a number of conditions and a purely nominal fee.
            5) In the future, if successful, it is possible to extend this practice to the first child with a number of changes.

            All. The housing issue will be closed in 20-25 years, and families will not twitch like a Galvani frog when discussing to give birth or not to give birth to a second child.
            1. depressant
              depressant 14 July 2020 20: 37 New
              +9
              Knell, you are an idealist. Don't you know what happened to the funded pension fund? He was stolen, he is empty. People do not give out money from there. Exactly the same thing will happen with two extra percent tax on the rich. They increased it from 13% to 15%, and Putin told a touching story that either 50 or other sources say 60 billion rubles, which is equal to 2%, will go to expensive foreign drugs for children with rare diseases. Do you believe that? Me not. How can one be trusted in a person who easily allocates 100 billion rubles of a perpetual loan to deeply unprofitable Gazprom, who, having added a feeble current revenue to them, immediately gives everything to dividends to rich shareholders - how can one be trusted?
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 20: 57 New
                +2
                Well, in this 2% figure, the exhaust voiced by the president was remarkable for me)) When from the "income of PERSONS (OVER!) 5 million per year with a tax of 2%, we (according to the president) gain a figure of 50 billion rubles a year - here only 2 options. Either it is a concentrated bullshit with figures taken from the ceiling. Or we have such people, eat booty and they have absolutely horse income (counting only the declared ones). In my opinion, the most useful thing that was in this news) What money is in the country has - and ogogo, but they are divided in the best traditions of Panikovsky.

                As for "idealism" - you know, my interest "for myself" is to understand what part of our society is still capable of thinking sensibly, reasoning constructively and looking for ways out of the capital F, in which we are. I see that without a certain socialist noodles, we will simply die out before 2050, unable to recruit and arm the army necessary to protect everything from our neighbors who will be able to. And the sooner this understanding is that we should stop thinking dualistically and choose between a scoop and a kapok - and implement some kind of socially oriented model, not for a world revolution or plugging some bourgeoisie in the belt - but so that it would be stupid to LIVE here - that's what the sooner this thought will prevail among the masses, the more chances we have to survive as a civilization (and be relevant in the 21st century)

                Unless, of course, we still want this.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 14 July 2020 21: 52 New
                  +3
                  Knell, a little wrong. Not to PLEASURE TO LIVE, but to live in general ...
                  During self-isolation there was silence, and for two years there was a gloomy silence before her like an immersion in some kind of social misfortune. But as soon as the self-isolation was removed, the people seemed to be crazy. The plaque of civilization, tortured over the years, as the solidarity of poor, but trying to seem decent people - well, there, when they open the door in front of you, hold it, let it go forward, the neighbors do not scream, the TV at the neighbors does not yell, the driver, approaching the house, reduces acoustic noise for a long time systems, drug addicts scream at the playground not too loud at night, and so on - all this, fostered by the labors of the population, flew off him as if it had never happened. And this is not at all a joy that we are still alive, and we are seething in ostentatious arrogance - it is like a feeling of something terrible that looms ahead, and people with unbridled excitement seem to cheer themselves and others before what lies ahead. Several neighbors have daily scandals that last for hours, Khrushchev, everything is heard, everything about money, scandals are hopeless, monotonous, inspiring horror and a sense of their own helplessness, they don’t see the end, the stubbornness of the scandalous amazes. Like a scandal with me. And the monotonous television president in the poor surroundings of Khrushchev’s apartments. They don’t live in this, they die in this.
                  1. Knell wardenheart
                    Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 22: 09 New
                    +2
                    You can't just take and throw away the logic of a country in which everything was formally "popular", and based on this logic, the construction of everything on which some kind of personalities are now sitting with a fat booty has been carried out for decades, and brings our future offshore.
                    If something like this has been done, then until this issue is closed, there will be no movement either - because there is an awareness that it can be done more and more - the issue of protecting property and the feeling of the right to property still hangs in the air, gripped by a vice parties. This question prevents us from developing - in apathy and mistrust of the lower classes, fear and insane greed of the upper classes. After all, our ancestors in the 1940s defended a completely different country, completely different achievements. And a man was sent into space - completely different people, behind whom were completely different ideas. This logical gap is an abyss, it cannot be covered up with the flowers of St. George's ribbon, it cannot be disguised with "Immortal regiments" and the epic nature of the celebrations.

                    Like it or not, some elements of social orientation are part of our country. Without this, all our mentality, all our history will rebel against ourselves, and we will not be able to imagine tomorrow and the future of children. While this is not there, we are not united.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 14 July 2020 22: 19 New
                      +2
                      Unfortunately this is the case. And I am very afraid that in order to preserve their identity, the people will begin to divide the country on their own. I used to be afraid that the oligarchs would do it. Khabarovsk bell rings.
                      By the way, someone from VO throws me away, I had to go in from the back door now.
        2. your1970
          your1970 14 July 2020 17: 41 New
          -3
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          if the Devil will come out of hell and who will tell sinners around - we will not enlist them in the righteous,only because of the figure of their accuser
          - and you are strange ....
          And if he declares - that Mother Teresa chopped the loot, and I. Christos to the cross - climbed for the sake of hype ??
          And if he says - that Z. Brzezinski has been sick for all his life for Russia ????
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 19: 19 New
            +5
            And who said that you need to throw your brain into the trash and go after the rat catcher with a pipe? You live in an information-rich era - there is information and signalmen around you - an oppositionist comes out and says "this thief, that thief" - and you see - is it convincing? And then you turn on the "faith" or look for additional facts, or hammer in the bolt and forget about it.
            Many people are curious about the question - how much is actually "stealing", in total? What is the volume of resources of all types (and monetary) arising from the Russian Federation without conditional benefits for the Russian Federation in terms of the production of resources in the future? When events happen, verified by the authorities - about billions of Zakharchenko in apartments, about tens of billions stolen by the Arashukovs, about dual citizenships and very interesting real estate of a number of deputies and propagandists - or, for example, about the "income that came" by Mr. Shaposhnikov, who did not declare how much there is, a billion ? one and a half?
            Here, at some point, a reasonable person will ask this question - and will seek information or vegetate in ignorance / blind faith. So tell me - are you a reasonable person or not?)
            1. your1970
              your1970 14 July 2020 21: 17 New
              -1
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Here, at some point, a reasonable person will ask this question - and will seek information or vegetate in ignorance / blind faith.
              - exactly strange.
              you have clearly identified the face
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              of hell will come out Devil
              -further there is no value - that he will say whether this is confirmed or not, not one REASONABLE a person will not seek confirmation or refutation of his information, because the Devil ... well, you probably need to try a tooth

              If tomorrow from the hell will rise EBN and say that he is ready to restore the USSR - if he is elected president - you will evaluate his words, the cries of the media - "Yes, he will definitely restore", information from hell - "Yes, he stopped drinking and Marxism-Leninism with Stalin is studying !!", Navalny will write - "He did not take bribes !!" ??

              Normal-to people, as it were, it’s enough that he is a EBN? not?

              And then everyone is surprised - and someone’s bullshit came out again .....
          2. Alf
            Alf 14 July 2020 21: 20 New
            +6
            Quote: your1970
            And if he declares - that mother Teresa loot chopped,

            Missionary position
            Poverty, disease, disaster - Mother Teresa lit up with all the slightest significant events. She whispered words of comfort, fed from a spoon, urged to pray. But there was no real help.
            Volunteer Mary Loudon compared the houses for the dying, organized by Theresa, to Nazi concentration camps.
            “Cots, mattresses on the floor, or hammocks in which patients are mixed up,” Mary described the situation. - All shaved baldly (for Indian women this is akin to shame), many are connected. Suffering “relieves” with aspirin. Needles from syringes and droppers are washed in cold water and reused. Many could be saved by sending to the hospital or just injections of antibiotics, but this was not done.
            Mary's words were confirmed by the same volunteers of the shelters of the Order “Sisters of the Missionary Love”. Professional physicians were not admitted to Mother Teresa’s institutions. Those who visited there were horrified by unsanitary conditions, but their indignant voice drowned in a sea of ​​eulogies about the “holy woman”.
            “There is something beautiful in the way the poor take their share, how they suffer like Jesus on the cross,” Teresa admonished, forbidding pain relief.
            The main task of the staff was to persuade patients to accept the Catholic faith. The dying were baptized without asking: a wet rag on his forehead, a prayer - that’s all, he is a Catholic.
            - July 26, 1963 an earthquake occurred in Skopje. More than a thousand people died, three quarters of the buildings were destroyed. Mother Teresa blessed the staff of the American military hospital, who were leaving for the capital of Macedonia, but did not allocate a dime from her foundation to her hometown. The Americans spent 15 days in the ruined Skopje. Ten of them went to the installation and dismantling of the hospital. Five are in the photo shoot. By the way, 500 Soviet military engineers then worked in Macedonia for six months.
            - Mother Teresa assured that her organization daily feeds more than a thousand people in Calcutta. According to Arup Chatterjee, a doctor who investigated the activities of Mother Teresa, there were only three soup kitchens, and they could feed a maximum of one hundred people. Moreover, the balance was issued only to those who had grocery cards. It was impossible for non-Christians to get them. The "saint" also lied about the number of schools for five thousand poor children - she was only one for hundreds of children. And that volunteers pick up the weak on the streets and take them to shelters. In fact, no one was picking up anyone, and the ambulances donated to the order were used to move the nuns. They say that documents were also found on the sale of children from the shelter, but the case was quickly hushed up.
            - In 1984, at a chemical plant of the American company Union Carbide, located in the Indian city of Bhopal, a tank of 60 thousand liters of toxic substances exploded. 4 thousand people died immediately, 21 thousand died in a few days. Almost 600 thousand were affected - a disaster comparable to Chernobyl. Mother Teresa urgently arrived in the city and explained to the residents: this is God's punishment, therefore we must humble ourselves and pray. She managed to stop shares against the company. A few years later, Union Carbide management paid almost half a billion dollars to the victims and relatives of the victims. Not a single American employee responded for the accident - they put seven locals in jail. And the fund of Mother Teresa received a tidy sum on her account.

            By the way, Mother Teresa’s visit to the Armenian Spitak after the 1988 earthquake was widely covered in the press. But there is no mention that the victims were financially helped.

            And further. In 1993, an earthquake in the Indian province of Latour claimed the lives of 8 thousand people. Five million were on the street. Other organizations built houses for them, but Mother Teresa posed against their background, not sending a penny to the victims.
            Mother Teresa, as befits a Catholic, opposed abortion and divorce. But when it came to people with whom she was friends and from whom she could get a jackpot, her position changed. She supported Indira Gandhi in the forcible sterilization of the poor and called the decision of Princess Diana to divorce Charles the only right one, since love had left the family.

            Teresa also demanded a ban on contraception. I did not accept the argument that they protect not only from conception, but also from certain diseases.

            “AIDS is a fair retribution for misconduct,” she claimed.
            Mother Teresa preferred traveling around the world in private jets or first class. And often the airline itself paid for the flight.

            Teresa did not want to solve health problems in her centers, preferring clinics in the USA, Italy and India. She stated that she could not afford the $ 6,5 thousand cataract surgery at the St. Francis Clinic in Pittsburgh, and a year later she had surgery at the New York Medical Center - even more expensive. During heart surgery, Teresa never refused pain medication in order to suffer like Jesus. I spent the last months of my life in a room stuffed with modern equipment.
            1. your1970
              your1970 14 July 2020 22: 05 New
              -1
              she was cited as an abstract figure, as a symbol - not as a living face ..
              I hope for this statement
              Quote: your1970
              And if he says - that Z. Brzezinski has been sick for all his life for Russia ????
              no complaints?
              1. Alf
                Alf 14 July 2020 22: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: your1970
                she was cited as an abstract figure, as a symbol - not as a living face
                I hope for this statement
                Quote: your1970
                And if he says - that Z. Brzezinski has been sick for all his life for Russia ????
                no complaints?

                There are no complaints about the abstract face. But here is an example you have chosen not the most successful.
        3. Cresta999
          Cresta999 14 July 2020 19: 08 New
          -2
          The fact of the matter is that Navalny conducts his “investigations” so stupidly that after them the figures of sinners appear almost righteous. I even got the feeling that he was doing it consciously. Or at someone’s request.
          1. depressant
            depressant 14 July 2020 21: 02 New
            +3
            I don't know if the State Department pays Navalny, but the situation with his exposing actions is extremely juicy. It is one thing when a folder with a "little material" lies motionless in the bowels of an important safe, and therefore some scoundrel worth many billions of dollars may well pass in the eyes of the people for a talented hard worker. And it is completely different when a video material with documented corruption schemes, accompanied by views of palaces and yachts a kilometer long, is published. For example, I was impressed by Medvedev's fishing lodge the size of a football stadium.
            From here - two points:
            1. when the "talent" on occasion is taken by the gills, the informed people will not upset;
            2. a hint of "talent" - not particularly stirring, I sit high, I look at you, and if you are still free, then because I want to.
            So who is Navalny?
            1. Knell wardenheart
              Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 21: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: depressant
              I don't know if the State Department pays Navalny, but the situation with his exposing actions is extremely juicy. It is one thing when a folder with a "little material" lies motionless in the bowels of an important safe, and therefore some scoundrel worth many billions of dollars may well pass in the eyes of the people for a talented hard worker. And it is completely different when a video material with documented corruption schemes, accompanied by views of palaces and yachts a kilometer long, is published. For example, I was impressed by Medvedev's fishing lodge the size of a football stadium.
              From here - two points:
              1. when the "talent" on occasion is taken by the gills, the informed people will not upset;
              2. a hint of "talent" - not particularly stirring, I sit high, I look at you, and if you are still free, then because I want to.
              So who is Navalny?


              A person who has begun to do what he should, but our systemic opposition has not done for a long time, the way he can / considers it necessary / sees. We have Lenin's example, which shows that the "employer" is not always aware of the scale of the hired piece, and it happens that a pawn is played by a chess player. So the question "who is" is less interesting here than "what will he do?" :)
            2. Cresta999
              Cresta999 15 July 2020 12: 30 New
              0
              The Kremlin rather than the State Department pays him. He just does not give any documentary evidence. This is what prompts the relevant thoughts.
          2. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 14 July 2020 21: 43 New
            +1
            In principle, it is understandable who Navalny is. You don't have to go far for examples - let's remember the 90s. We had G.A. Zyuganov, still relatively fresh and fiery, who had not thrown the matter of the Communist Party at a time when people were dying and repainted, who still knew how to push fiery speeches and carry out colorful actions - and he had all this for years and years ahead, but even then one could see the limitations of his personality and figure. That he (even if) and believed (-believed) in all this, did not have the ability to develop this idea or implement it into a competent political project, but his charisma and ability to stay afloat would be enough to accumulate a significant part of adherents of the idea, and guide them along a path far from optimal for real achievement of the goal. This does not mean "bought" or "sold" at all. You have to understand that the KGB had a large staff and a meticulous habit of studying, questioning - working with people, the experience was enormous. And they knew how to work "into the dark." So putting a believing and charismatic, but power-hungry and limited person at the head of the process is a very good means of killing two birds with one stone - it seems like there is an opposition, and it does something, and at the same time, the process is under delicate third-party control, and all the messages about growing into something more or more serious / effective - "on reactions".
            I’m certainly not Baba Vanga, this is just my impression of GAZ’s activity during all the electoral periods - in which he started in the country with 70% support for the comm movement, 3/4 thoughts, and 46% popular support - and finished 1/4 thoughts , 16% support, etc.
            Success as it is. It's time to write a book "How to Lose Polymers".

            So maybe this is the answer. If you look closely, we have, after all, many seemingly serious political trends around the world (liberal, liberal-democratic, socialist) are headed (or "lead") by people, to put it mildly, specific, rather weak. Nevertheless, they sit for years, they are given words, someone inflates their authority, they shake a crab on camera.

            However, even if I'm right, this does not detract from the certain value of what Navalny does. Specifically, this is the voicing of specific problems. Not this abstract demagogy, which we hear less and less from parliamentary parties. Specifically, who the thief is, how much was stolen.
            Should the opposition do this? I think that I should. Is he interested in a direct rise to power as a significant part of his activity? I think that interests. It’s somewhere in this gap that we must evaluate its activity - as long as it benefits, and so far it is not capable of causing harm.
            1. depressant
              depressant 14 July 2020 23: 27 New
              +1
              I think the opposite. Bulk is clearly harmful.
              He does not have any particular ideology. He replaces any useful protest with his noisy actions, and with a professional skill he replaces the protest leader, who either has or has not yet formed, which means he will never be formed.
              Responding to any popular discontent with his own numerous rallies, Navalny politically corrupts the people - why go to a rally if someone has already organized the rally under the current slogan?
              But time goes on, now you won’t spend any rallies, they are disowning Navalny and are in a hurry to declare that, they say, Navalny’s people are not among them.
              Exposes the unjustly wealthy? Let it be engaged in this. The rest of the people will do it themselves. Including the nomination of truly popular leaders. When dodechet.
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 15 July 2020 12: 37 New
                +1
                Well, if you think about it, any protest in general is such a noisy action. Of course, you can make noise in different ways, but the main task is to draw attention to the topic. The more attention is attracted, the harder it is to rake the participants of the action or to ignore this topic - after all, it will be on hype videos, in social networks, on forums and in online media.
                From a certain threshold of the event’s fame, the power is already being connected to them, using their solution as an element of self-PR.
                It’s just that a protest rally in the conditions of a fierce political apathy of society — it won’t gather enough people, it won’t attract enough media, and it will be shoved somewhere on the outskirts of megacities — smoothly turning into a discontented party.
                This does not mean that I share the protest logic of Navalny, but the task of "shaking" the masses would probably stand before ANY politician who wants to come to power in our country.

                As for the perception of N's activities, we are dealing with the classic, highly professional activities of paid media, covering his personality and activities in the key of an episodic street buster-provocateur. A sort of frivolous and dumb character, with contradictions in logic, Western curators, a hybrid of a fascist and a liberal, the instigator of the Russian Maidan, etc. This is not the first and not the last case of sticking all the labels on one suitcase - we did this throughout the 90s with every more or less bright and active politician "out of the cage", under the confident voice of some Dorenko or Solovyov. This perception did not pass me either, then I accidentally stumbled upon his channel with broadcasts on Thursdays - and decided to see what kind of bird it was :-) As the saying goes, "a story of such and such, told by him." And in liters of water and idle talk, I found quite interesting figures, facts and personalities that allow me to supplement the picture, so to speak.
                I am deeply indifferent to his position on a number of issues - but his oppositional activities in terms of "exposure" at the moment (although he often deliberately goes too far) - deserves attention and even respect. Not so much because he is "such a good person", but because our opposition, which has to deal with such things as the two-billion-dollar income per year of the chairman of the Moscow City Duma (for example), has not done this for a long time, stupidly guzzling state funding for the company. At times it is interesting to listen, in one word.

                At the moment, the development of his political project, Navalny has not advanced far in terms of the breadth of the audience or a well-thought-out political program - there are mostly naive demopopulism or some kind of targeted measures, in isolation from the complex - but in defining personalities or depicting the viciousness of the system in separate in its elements, he coolly filled his hand and went much further than just a disgruntled bubbling.

                So a number of things in his work are worthy of attention, in my opinion. I apologize for expanding the thought.
                1. depressant
                  depressant 15 July 2020 12: 55 New
                  +1
                  Knell, do not apologize! )) Rarely, who so fully and voluminously covers the problem, you do it. I always enjoy reading your comments with great pleasure. You are talking about the fierce apoliticality of the population, and this merges with the idea of ​​the need to create two equal political parties, which will rock the people. And now everyone is apolitical, and this is causing significant harm to development, people agreed that upstairs they steal everything, nothing can be done about it, that’s why they calmed down. Lazily browsing videos from Navalny. No one feels the creator of the history of the country. Believing that nothing depends on him. The apathy and boredom of life began to pour into aggression at the level of the layman. This is an environment for breaking the state, but not for building. Need a buildup. In a swayed environment, the state will begin to make more appropriate decisions.
                  1. Knell wardenheart
                    Knell wardenheart 15 July 2020 13: 14 New
                    +1
                    It is sometimes interesting to reflect on the topic - what should a person in politics do today in order to follow him? How should he get there at all? What should he say / do so that specifically YOU would support him? How should he look so that people feel that he is a leader, a person whom you can trust.

                    These are very interesting questions, in fact. After all, it’s not enough to be a skill person or a good person - you also need to turn out to be in a certain area of ​​coverage, or in the field of decision-making. A tree is much harder to grow where several others are already growing.
                    Our opposition discredited itself - however, it continues to play the role of such and devour the funds allocated for this from taxes. Here is an example - when the GDP threw the idea of ​​"taxes on income on deposits of more than a million rubles," I took this idea as complete insanity - after all, insignificant pensions in our large cities are covered by many just with a% on some personal savings. And when there was a vote on this topic in the State Duma, I pulled on their website to see how my wonderful people's chosen ones would defend the rights of people?
                    Here ... There were 2 people from Fair Russia against this amendment. TWO ! TOTAL ! And all these hosts of balabols who are "against the plunder of the nation" either did not vote or abstained. Wrestling ?! There is no struggle there for a long time, and in sight. Someone like me just saw it - someone just feels that it is so. What and how should a person who wants to change it do? Where will he get the money for all this? How should he behave in conditions when 70% of the population is under powerful information processing?

                    Thinking about it - I understand that this is still a problem ..
  • LeftPers
    LeftPers 14 July 2020 15: 24 New
    24
    My parents in the USSR were given an apartment for free, and in order to live in more or less acceptable conditions, I have to put a yoke on my neck, in the form of a fucking mortgage. And if I lose my job, should I go to the station? with this fuckin mortgage.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 14 July 2020 15: 28 New
      -25
      They didn’t give an apartment in the USSR, it belonged to the state, they could just as easily be evicted from it. Yeltsin gave your parents an apartment.
      1. rotkiv04
        rotkiv04 14 July 2020 16: 21 New
        13
        Do not carry heresy
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 14 July 2020 16: 22 New
          -15
          Statement of facts, no more.
      2. Charik
        Charik 14 July 2020 16: 49 New
        11
        hahaha-I laugh in your face. 84g-4 rooms-father locksmith-still live
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 14 July 2020 16: 51 New
          -8
          What year was privatized?
          1. Charik
            Charik 14 July 2020 16: 55 New
            +7
            I don’t remember, the mother says in 90 some, what difference does it give for free and have never heard that someone would be kicked out of the hut
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 14 July 2020 17: 00 New
              -4
              In the 90s, Yeltsin introduced privatization, according to which the apartment became your property. Until privatization, the apartment was state owned and was listed behind the factory where your father worked. In case of moving or dismissal, you should have returned this apartment.
              1. Charik
                Charik 14 July 2020 17: 02 New
                0
                I don’t know, I’m not strong in housing matters-GO ABOUT THE WAR laughing
              2. nerovnayadoroga
                nerovnayadoroga 14 July 2020 17: 32 New
                +5
                You, if anything, read the housing code of the USSR of those times, to understand what it was all about, it was departmental housing, these are hostels and dormitories of apartment type owned by enterprises, collective farms, state farms, etc.and not having worked for a certain period of time at this enterprise , you could be evicted, this housing was called a maneuver fund to ensure your accommodation until you get a normal apartment, from which no one has ever evicted you.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 03 New
                  +1
                  Yes, in the USSR this "maneuverable fund" was heaps of - people still live in barracks built in 35 years old, iron tanks and sheets built in the early 60s - just don't say that 60 years before the 90th year they did not have time to resettle. Nobody really raised the question of their resettlement, so they have survived to this day.
              3. Alf
                Alf 14 July 2020 18: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: Grazdanin
                Until privatization, the apartment was state owned and was listed behind the factory where your father worked. In case of moving or dismissal, you should have returned this apartment.

                This is departmental housing.
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 14 July 2020 17: 02 New
        14
        About eviction - complete nonsense .. Do not carry nonsense. I have never heard of this, except as criminals ... Since 68, I have been living in an apartment, what else did my Kirov factory give to my grandfather ..
    2. depressant
      depressant 15 July 2020 08: 30 New
      +1
      I make an offer.
      I invite the Authors of VO, as well as the lover of truth, Mr. Navalny, within the framework of the topic "Digitalization", to engage in such an interesting office as MosoblEirts - a single settlement center for collecting payments for utilities (gas, electricity, something else). Utilities in the form of water, heating, something else we still pay through our own municipal enterprise, in other words, the housing office.
      The office of MosoblEyrts is remarkable in that it requires a fee not only for a given month, but also for already paid in the previous one.
      This is digitalization!
      To reach the office is impossible. The first channel a few years ago wasn’t extinct, the prosecutor’s office wasn’t extinct. Rowing billions of extra rubles from citizens.
      Is this the brainchild of Mishustin? Do I understand correctly?
      And now our village is going to be transferred to a full calculation of a communal apartment through this MOSOBLEYRTS. So they will also rob for water, heating, etc.
      Bulk, ay! Aw ...
      Mishustin !!!!!! ...
      There will be a topic, I will lay out the layout for payment.
      But no, there will be no topic ... Bulk silent ...
      Indeed, to understand the twists of digital robbery of the population is much more difficult than graters between the center and the regions, between regional oligarchs and the oligarchs who own all of Russia.
      Navalny only deals with those whom the Kremlin points to.
      Wait, more land reform will come. Then in two. All.
  • maxim1987
    maxim1987 14 July 2020 15: 24 New
    10
    Quote: Grazdanin
    It is necessary to create conditions for development. 3/4 apartments in new buildings are bought for investment, people who need living space still do not have money to buy.


    Group 1 disabled person. It is registered in the village of the long-dead great-grandmother. He registered in 1995 leaving Ukraine. Since then, removable. They don’t put it on the queue, because I’m not a poor person (after all, a huge pension: 18000).
  • rocket757
    rocket757 14 July 2020 15: 25 New
    +9
    You can’t forbid to speak beautifully.
    In other matters, in this coordinate system in which we exist, he did not say anything unusual.
    Everything within this system fits exactly.
  • Olegater
    Olegater 14 July 2020 15: 37 New
    18
    "Putin promised."
    You can not read further.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 14 July 2020 15: 38 New
    13
    Another blah blah blah. You might think that the apartments will be handed out for free. And besides, comfortable housing is not only a layout, but also infrastructure - schools, kindergartens, clinics within walking distance. For example, doctors don’t come to my house, and in the clinic they take a receipt that we are familiar with and do not pretend. You see them far, and it is. That in the nursery, that in the adult clinic for about 30 minutes on a personal car, I am silent about public transport, because necessary with transfers. Kindergarten is the same story.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 16: 24 New
      -5
      Do not look where it is cheaper, look where it is better.
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 14 July 2020 16: 41 New
        0
        Totally agree with you. Therefore, I repaid the first mortgage, and now, together with the bank, we own other housing.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 14 July 2020 15: 38 New
    13
    Somehow, how, I remember, I remember - "By 2000, each family will live in their own apartment" (c) Gorbachev laughing

    "Dreams-dreams, what is your sweetness" ... lol

    It can be seen that Solntselik is really "hot" now, since such unfulfillable promises are scattered bully
    1. 7,62h54
      7,62h54 14 July 2020 16: 44 New
      +5
      Dear Leader does not bake at all - there is no such institution of power or structure. Only indefinite and undivided rule.
    2. depressant
      depressant 14 July 2020 17: 59 New
      +8
      Crown without a virus, bake without quotes. Separatism of regions that are by no means Chechnya. Khabarovsk chatted. And there is restless, the oligarchic Moscow got it. Like other regions. Khusnullin - rower from the budget of Moscow paddle renovation, Sobyaninsky henchman. As a result of some agreements, Sobyanin and Putin entered the central government. Now it will be rowing together with banks from the budget of the country. Who would doubt that building a multi-unit is much easier than a machine-building plant for the number of workers equal to the number of apartments. Different speed of project implementation. There are many houses, few jobs. Here the country creaks. She is contorted.
  • Rustam Sadriev
    Rustam Sadriev 14 July 2020 15: 52 New
    -14
    I read a bunch of negative comments and I want to insert my 5 cents. In February, at a speech to the State Council, GDP made a mortgage at 5% for young families with 2 children and the second born on 01.01.2018/6.5/12. And I purchased under this program in Moscow time. I live in the region myself. And this is my second mortgage. After this, a pandemic was already made for all 14%. This is a huge plus and the opportunity to buy your own home. In Ukraine, the minimum rate is 10-XNUMX% and Ze seems to want XNUMX.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 July 2020 19: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Rustam Sadriev
      I live in the region myself.

      In Chechnya? And what is your income?
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 14 July 2020 20: 27 New
      +1
      and the Czech Republic 2% mortgage and what?
  • SanSanych Gusev
    SanSanych Gusev 14 July 2020 15: 59 New
    10
    Will they give away for free? Where to queue? Who is the extreme?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 July 2020 17: 09 New
      +4
      Extreme on the Buckle, for example, if in St. Petersburg.
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 16: 01 New
    +4
    Maybe they will build more housing. Although for me, more free toilets are needed. Here, after all, if he left the house unable to fulfill his needs, then they are at risk — they can publish how they try in vain to hide behind a bald bush, as you see in public, then at the same time, after being dishonored, fined. While walking around my city, I observe the fact that there are much fewer places to hide from, and public toilets have disappeared altogether. Maybe we are specially driven home?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 July 2020 17: 07 New
      +3
      You are an optimist, SanSanych Gusev, not in homes, but in corrals and articles of different codes there.
      1. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 17: 12 New
        0
        I will leave the opinion that home. I do not like to kill even those who mortally insult. The fact is, for insulting you can get a fair fair compensation in court, and if you bang, having the right, then all - as a reward for the funeral.
    2. Alf
      Alf 14 July 2020 19: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey.AN
      Although for me, more free toilets are needed. Here, after all, if he left the house unable to fulfill his needs, then they are at risk — they can publish how they try in vain to hide behind a bald bush, as you see in public, then at the same time, after being dishonored, fined. While walking around my city, I observe the fact that there are much fewer places to hide from, and public toilets have disappeared altogether.

      Who hurts something ...
  • Galleon
    Galleon 14 July 2020 16: 05 New
    17
    That's what a man means! Not only did he begin to rule again - he began to promise again !!! Apparently, the nullified memory does not hold that once he had already promised it. If only he would write down what he was lying about, so as not to be caught, to eat.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 16: 29 New
      -9
      Since he first promised dohren and built more this time, until 2026 the same will be built. The main thing is that construction companies need to buy new equipment and construction equipment to increase the pace of construction.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 14 July 2020 17: 06 New
        +9
        Vadim, can you think critically and evaluate the plans of the community in relation to the current government? Or only optimistic restrained to show able.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 11 New
          -3
          Now when the left builders - scammers of interest holders have been removed from the market, the construction process will accelerate so much and there will definitely be no problems with housing construction until 2026. And there is no need to think critically here, you need to see here - I see they are building a lot.
          1. Alf
            Alf 14 July 2020 21: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: Vadim237
            Now when the left builders - scammers of interest holders from the market removed the construction process will accelerate

            And as far as prices jump up ... When escrow accounts were introduced, even then large and relatively honest developers directly warned of price increases precisely because of this.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 July 2020 16: 11 New
    +5
    Well now we will heal!)) (Sarcasm). With current loans, prices and salaries, it will turn out and like the Chinese can, we build and cost nothing because it is very expensive. And this is on condition that, as planned, they will build without a saw.
  • demo
    demo 14 July 2020 16: 13 New
    +9
    According to a senior official, the ambitious goal of this initiative is the annual commissioning of at least 120 million square meters of housing, which will make it possible for 5 million of our compatriots to make housewarming in 2026.

    Since this housing is commercial, it is not clear which apartments, what area, etc. will be surrendered.

    Let’s see the housing standards.
    Section 7. Norm for the provision of living space

    1. The norm for the provision of the living space to a property or under a social contract of employment shall be:
    1) 33 square meters of the total area of ​​the living space - per person;
    2) 42 square meters of the total living space - for a family of two;
    3) 18 square meters of the total living space for each family member - for a family of three or more people.

    If 120 million square meters. m. divide by 5 million people., then we get the figure of 24 square meters.
    Total area. For one person.
    Those. there is a clear violation of the requirements of even social housing, and it has always been below level.
    Or is there a clear violation of the intellectual abilities of a high-ranking official who decided to diminish somewhere and increase somewhere.
    And the one who listens to this crap and still enjoys it, in general, in my opinion, something turned off.
    And why is it not stated that these square meters will be provided to needy Russians either for free use or for free in property.
    This could be rejoiced.
    And here is the joy of the fact that the dog kennel is also for fabulous money (who will buy without a mortgage? And this is robbery.)
    In general, I do not share the joy of GDP.
    And the thought came to my mind about the previous statement - We will squish like in a swamp - About the digital economy.
    The third day I’m trying to understand what the officials got there.
    Well, no further 15-18 pages do not move.
    But I understood about artificial intelligence. And I understood why they want to implement it in all areas of the state.
    There are no officials left in the country with intelligence.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 July 2020 17: 00 New
      +7
      No wonder a certain Shuvalov was surprised at apartments of 20 m2 and this is in Moscow.
    2. your1970
      your1970 14 July 2020 17: 48 New
      -2
      Quote: demo
      Section 7. Norm for the provision of living space
      - why are you norms FREE representations of housing drew to commercial?
      1. demo
        demo 14 July 2020 18: 13 New
        +2
        I "dragged" not the norms of FREE provision, but offered to compare and calculate.
        Didn’t it reach you?

        Especially for you I repeat.
        In the Russian Federation, strict housing standards are defined. There are three options: the minimum norm (distribution standard in dormitory houses and in the buildings of the shunting fund), the presentation norm (the minimum size of the room, which, in principle, is sufficient for living), the accounting norm (the parameter by which it is determined whether to allocate a larger room )
        Naturally, the developer is not required to comply with such rules ?!
        Of course!
        We are building a booth.
        Room 10-12 square meters. Kitchen 6 sq. M. Bathrooms 5 square.
        Well, a corridor with a hallway.
        It turns out 24 square meters.
        Those. this is what the president of the Russian Federation was informed about. And that is precisely what the president happily applauded.
        And he realized that now it is possible to solve the problem that the Communists have not solved in 70 years.
        And they didn’t decide because the stupid norms were observed by the Fuckers, in short.
        And there would be both current, so every Russian by the end of their reign would have two kennels.

        If you are not in the topic of construction and rationing, then it is easier to ask, and not to write boorish comments.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 19 New
          -4
          Such small family apartments will not be attractive to buy; apartments from 38 and above will be built.
        2. your1970
          your1970 14 July 2020 21: 24 New
          -2
          Quote: demo
          And they didn’t decide because the stupid norms were observed by the Fuckers, in short.
          and in the USSR on the basis of which 5 meter kitchens and nine (!!!)meter bathrooms (combined) sculpted ???
          Quote: demo
          stupid norms were followed by suckers
          ???not??
          Quote: demo
          If 120 million square meters. m. divide by 5 million people., then we get the figure in 24 sq. M.
          Total area. For one person.
          -in the USSR, the standard was less in meter
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 15 New
      -4
      120 million square meters of housing will be commissioned annually - that is, for 6 years approximately 5 million square meters of housing should be introduced for 460 million people.
      1. demo
        demo 14 July 2020 20: 00 New
        +3
        All right.
        Let's not break the spears, for nothing.
        I believe that as many as 5 million Russians will celebrate the "housewarming". During a year. And the president is in solidarity with me !!!!!
        Do you think that they will build 120 million square meters per year for 5 years?
        During this time, no one will be allowed into new buildings.
        And then all five million at once will climb into their hundreds of square meters. At 70000 rubles per square meter.
        That will be the joy of the new settlers!
        And then they poor did not know where to put their millions.
        Waited! Hoping! Believe it!

        And here again!
        I was especially pleased that the developers will wait.
        And the banks will wait.
        And the Federal Tax Service will wait patiently.
        In short.
        Enough.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 15 July 2020 00: 55 New
          -3
          The figure of 120 million squares is the setting annual indicator of construction for which all developers together must reach the year 2026 - these five million people must move out of dilapidated and dilapidated housing during this period, but also so that the demand would be equal to the offer for those who were going to take a mortgage for housing - just again the journalists clumsyly submitted the news.
          1. demo
            demo 15 July 2020 06: 54 New
            0
            If "these five million people should be resettled from dilapidated and dilapidated housing during this period" there would be opportunities, i.e. money, they would not live in bestial conditions!
            Stop throwing me all sorts of stupid things that I have to answer.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 15 July 2020 16: 27 New
              0
              At least the state will provide them with free housing - they will not buy it for their money.
  • rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 14 July 2020 16: 16 New
    +5
    Obetsyanky, atsyatsyanka and joy to all fools. To promise, this does not mean to fulfill, he already promised a lot of things
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 July 2020 16: 29 New
    13
    Quote: Dalny V
    Putin again promised millions of Russians.

    He recently promised 25 million jobs with a good salary. Well, well, still waiting! laughing
    1. Valter1364
      Valter1364 14 July 2020 16: 45 New
      +8
      This promise he just fulfilled! 25 million officials, including fiscal authorities with not bad salaries! Police, FSIN, judges, customs officers, bailiffs, prosecutors, etc.
      1. your1970
        your1970 14 July 2020 17: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Valter1364
        25 million officials, including fiscal authorities with not bad salaries!

        fool fool at least you would figure out the figures for decency, such as the army 1 million, police 0,6 million, civil servants + subject + municipalities 3 lyama, customs officers + bailiffs + judges + prosecutors = less than 1 lyama
        Where is another 20 million ???
        1. demo
          demo 14 July 2020 18: 21 New
          +1
          The share of employees in the field of public administration, military security and compulsory social security in the total number of employees in the Russian economy is approximately the same as in Europe - from 6 to 9,5%

          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/society/23/09/2019/5d8868bb9a7947414a3753bd
          Ie somewhere around 12-13 million.

          If we add state-owned companies, radioactive waste, state-owned factories, i.e. those who are on a budget, but do not receive a salary from commercial activities, then they will gain 20 million.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 21 New
            -3
            "If we also add state companies, RAO, state-owned factories," Why don't they produce or sell anything?
          2. your1970
            your1970 14 July 2020 21: 33 New
            -3
            you are a demagogue ..
            с
            Quote: Valter1364
            25 million officials, including fiscal authorities with not bad salaries

            you jumped on
            Quote: demo
            Ie somewhere 12-13 million.

            “Not all of them have the status of a state or municipal employee, however, according to Nesterenko, all employees of state and municipal bodies are usually classified as officials in Russia.
            “They are around 2,4 млн person. It turns out that there are 10 officials per 163 thousand people in Russia. This is 3,3% of the number of people employed in the economy, ”added the deputy head of the Ministry of Finance.
            Share "Real" officials, that is, state civil and municipal servants, according to Nesterenko, are about half as much - this (as of July 1) 603 thousand federal state civil servants, 252 thousand regional civil servants and 395 thousand municipal employees in local governments."
            Read more at RBC:
            https://www.rbc.ru/society/23/09/2019/5d8868bb9a7947414a3753bd

            at least you wouldn’t give links or something, it’s boring even to expose you

            Quote: demo
            If we add state-owned companies, radioactive waste, state-owned factories, i.e. those who are on a budget, but do not receive a salary from commercial activities, then they will gain 20 million.
            And you still add pensioners and invalids - they also sit on the budget, but do not receive a salary from commercial activities

            Quote: Vadim237
            "If we also add state companies, RAO, state-owned factories," Why don't they produce or sell anything?
            -so then the figure - bureaucrats on the budget - sharply turns sour on the opponent
            1. demo
              demo 14 July 2020 22: 00 New
              +4
              I didn’t want to bother you.
              I give the link right away.
              And then they will begin to demand it, but I forgot "where the firewood came from."
              The question is as follows.
              The state has a huge army of people who carry out activities for the state.
              The question is, is the last.
              A "clean" official, "not clean" - that is not the point.
              This army receives money from the budget.
              They are paid sick leave, travel allowance, daily allowance, vacation pay, overtime, work on holidays and weekends.
              They do not produce wealth, do not create surplus value.
              They are a necessary evil on the body of the people.
              Not the state, but the people.
              Because the state does not produce anything, it only carries out a management function.
              From top to bottom.
              It produces the so-called GDP (not to be confused with Putin): a farmer, a metallurgist, a carpenter, a miner and further on the list.
              Which also receive a salary, but not from the state, but from the employer.
              And his salary at any moment can be either reduced, or he will be reduced altogether.
              What doesn’t happen with civil servants.

              If you are a champion of the state, in its final form - one with a bipod, seven with a spoon, then my speech is peas against the wall.
              If you are just like that by nature - then another conversation.
              If you like this state of affairs, then it scares me.
              I am scared to imagine such a person who, by his own inspiration, begins to praise the state, which by definition is an organ of violence against citizens.
              1. your1970
                your1970 14 July 2020 22: 34 New
                -1
                Quote: demo
                The state has a huge army of people who carry out activities for the state.
                “Do you know the state - without officials carrying out the functioning of the state? I-no ...”
                Quote: demo
                If you like this state of affairs, then it scares me.
                I am scared to imagine such a person who, by his own inspiration, begins to praise the state, which by definition is an organ of violence against citizens.
                - Do you propose to liquidate the police / army / prosecutor's office / courts / FSIN / customs / social security, etc.?
                because
                Quote: demo
                They do not produce wealth, do not create surplus value.
                ??
                So it was already ..
                They’ve already tried it once - in 1918 ..... but for some reason they ate very quickly and it turned out that without all this - no way, no way at all ..... and the RSFSR to create a state apparatus

                Quote: demo
                And his salary at any moment can be either reduced, or he will be reduced altogether.
                What doesn’t happen with civil servants.
                -Yes, nafig !!!! there were land committees in every district, they were reduced, and no functions were transferred to anyone. In general, no one ... go look for documents from the State Data Fund !!! try .. I already tried ....
                There were Regpalates in each district - there were 1 in 4 districts (or even 5)
                There was a border with Kazakhstan and customs officers on it - in 2011 they opened the border and reduced 6000 people, which is more than 12% of the total number of FCS
                Now the archives of Rosreestr will be overtaken by digital - and God forbid half will remain from Rosreestr.
                And so for each state agency ....
      2. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 15 July 2020 13: 04 New
        +1
        For judges, sn more or less, for their apparatus, sn and does not reach 30k. There are beggarly sn if you look around Moscow, the police receive an average of 60-70 thousand, is that really money today? The bailiffs are sitting on pennies, if it works out 40k, it's already a holiday. This is a speech about ordinary performers. So where millions seem to you is a mystery. I was a federal official for 3 years after a university, I ran away from there. There is no money there, prospects without a pull, too. The benefits have all died long ago. There is nothing to catch there.
        They sit there old people who sat down and young people with no experience in the main. Well, a small% of thieves. There are almost no normal middle-aged specialists there (I'm talking about the civil service at the ministry level), they all went to earn money.
  • Charik
    Charik 14 July 2020 16: 33 New
    +5
    that is, after re-elections, and these 5 million Russians have money for this housing - by 2026, maybe half the country can become beggars
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 14 July 2020 16: 58 New
      +3
      that is, after re-election - keywords!
  • Valter1364
    Valter1364 14 July 2020 16: 36 New
    10
    In Novorossiysk, apartment buildings grow like mushrooms. They build the cheapest and seemingly unsightly, trash of the already terrible architectural image of the city. After commissioning, the houses are almost empty. The apartments in them are bought in most cases by officials and sailors working on foreign ships to rent apartments. Because of the construction of new microdistricts, which have a three-day supply of water in the houses and booster pumping equipment, there is simply stupidly no water in the houses of residential areas built earlier!
    Water, if it appears in the tap, then for an hour and a half a day. Although "big water" was solemnly allowed into the city only four times in the last decade.
    This housing is not happy! Not apartments, but cattle pens. In most cases, there are not even balconies! And if you look at the housing built for people in the USSR and Russia over the past few decades, it turns out that the most comfortable, spacious and convenient were built under Stalin. Then Khrushchev stole the French five-story project for the working class of the 19th century, Leonid Ilyich improved this project a little and increased it by several square meters. And where do they get the projects now, I don’t know. Maybe they stole from Zimbabwe or Angola, but I didn’t see such ugliness there either.
    So, these houses are not for people, but more for speculators with housing and renting out.
    Regular promises and pure farce.
    The housing problem can only be solved through the well-being of one’s own people. Do not rob people, but let them work and earn money. Then, demand will create supply!
    And believe me, that the person who has the smallest choice will never go to your new anthills from the walls in a quarter of a brick and drywall.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 14 July 2020 17: 11 New
      +3
      We have the same, 5 houses have been handed over .... 5 people still live, according to a person, we work together, he bought an apartment in one of them ... He couldn’t live for some time, didn’t connect electricity, water, etc. ... So these five live in the same house, in the rest they haven’t bought apartments yet ...
    2. Valter1364
      Valter1364 14 July 2020 17: 29 New
      +6
      And another very important point! In my city, since the destruction of the USSR, not a single school, not a single kindergarten or hospital with a clinic has been built. None of which is an integral infrastructure component to hundreds of commissioned residential buildings. They build only what can be sold, or where the population leaves money (super, hyper, mega markets, etc.)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 24 New
        -7
        And what kind of city is this - in which, apart from high-rise buildings, they are not building anything?
  • fa2998
    fa2998 14 July 2020 16: 52 New
    +6
    And will they give out apartments for free? We also built houses when the federal program of FREE MOVEMENT FROM EMERGENCY HOUSING (barracks) was in force.
    And they tried to build commercial housing. And the place is good, next to the city administration, a park. We thought of building 5 houses, 2 passed them (in 10 years), the rest froze.
    WHAT IS THE MORTGAGE? Even without interest. With a salary in the city of 15-20 thousand (25-dreams).
    1. Fibrizio
      Fibrizio 14 July 2020 17: 59 New
      -10
      Why don’t you move if everything is bad? What is the point of sitting, why wait then? Feet in hand and went to a big city, there he pulled up a family.
      1. Alf
        Alf 14 July 2020 19: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Fibrizio
        Why don’t you move if everything is bad? What is the point of sitting, why wait then? Feet in hand and went to a big city, there he pulled up a family.

        Yes, yes, one such lover of iPhones has already offered labor migration ... Only he is in no hurry from Moscow ...
        1. Fibrizio
          Fibrizio 15 July 2020 09: 39 New
          -3
          I do not understand this. No attendants - you come to Moscow to tax. If you work - you can definitely raise 70 thousand. Yes, even at McDonald's they will give 35 thousand. Work in bulk. This is if there is no education. If there is, you can work with your hands. Everything is there, there would be a desire.
          And if you wait for handouts and watch a telly - just sit there. Everyone is responsible for himself.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 14 July 2020 16: 55 New
    +8
    The line of promises is not broken.
  • Fibrizio
    Fibrizio 14 July 2020 17: 09 New
    -7
    If they make a normal% mortgage, why not. This is a perfectly normal solution. The freebie is over. No one owes nothing to nobody. Including in my understanding, and you are the state.
    In the mortgage you can buy any apartment you like. Anywhere, not where they gave it.
    Do you work well? Improving the conditions. It's a shame rather for those who did not fit into the system after the 90th, but they are already over 50, they can’t build families and do not give birth to children.
    If you want a three-ruble note at 30, earn a lot.
    At the beginning I bought a room in a communal apartment, now it remains to pay less than a cartoon for odnushka in the suburbs. After 5 years I will buy a kopeck piece in Moscow. What do you want? Immediately to Moscow or give birth and give? No, that’s not how it works.
    But I don’t have a car or a summer house, I can’t afford it, or the standard of living will collapse.
    And all at once it happens only in a fairy tale.
    Although as some here write in the comments, it would be possible to take immediately in Moscow for 13 kopecks and then give 80 thousand 20 years with zp. As for me - not too smart if sn is so-so.
    From my own experience I’ll say that two healthy non-drinkers can calmly save a year to buy a studio in Moscow Region and pay it for 6-7 years. And do not even sn large.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 July 2020 19: 10 New
      +7
      Quote: Fibrizio
      At the beginning I bought a room in a communal apartment, now it remains to pay less than a cartoon for odnushka in the suburbs. After 5 years I will buy a kopeck piece in Moscow.

      So you will be a traveler frog all your life. And get married, so the wife will say, let's buy a three-ruble note, I already go pot-bellied.
      1. Fibrizio
        Fibrizio 15 July 2020 09: 36 New
        0
        My son was born just in the spring. Before school, he will live in a kopeck piece in Moscow. All according to plan. In the meantime, small and 44 meters is enough.
        Nothing is given and should not be given for beautiful eyes. Make money, look for ways, I changed 10 jobs in 4 years, each time almost doubling sn. Started with 16 thousand.
        And by the way, with respect to the pot-bellied, I could only afford it at 30. Since at 24 I would be miserable. And now I can arrange for him in PM and VHI.
        P-planning ;-)
  • Last centurion
    Last centurion 14 July 2020 17: 21 New
    +6
    in ancient times there was slavery, in ours - a mortgage ... with slaves it’s simple ... it’s difficult with free people ...
    1. Strannik96
      Strannik96 14 July 2020 19: 47 New
      -1
      Now in Germany it’s worth renting an apartment with 3 rooms - from 700 to 1000 euros, a mortgage bank is paid the same money, but your house or apartment. New house from 300t. and above to buy. Of course, building if hands and helpers will be cheaper. Therefore, it will not work out especially for work, somewhere it takes about 20-30 years to work for a bank, but - a person lives in his hut and gives money for his own. Here is such freedom in the west. With our salary it comes out at the same time, but the prices are much lower. If you continue to reduce the mortgage, then we can assume that many will be able to move into their home
  • Million
    Million 14 July 2020 17: 33 New
    +9
    Why, Putin knows how to promise! The result, however, is the opposite
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 14 July 2020 17: 52 New
    +6
    = Recall that only the government allocated 12 billion rubles to support banks to compensate for their financial losses when issuing soft loans to developers in accordance with the order of the president. =
    Explain to me, never literate, what kind of losses does the bank incur in issuing a soft loan? After all, the bank receives its interest, and not so small.
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 July 2020 19: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      = Recall that only the government allocated 12 billion rubles to support banks to compensate for their financial losses when issuing soft loans to developers in accordance with the order of the president. =
      Explain to me, never literate, what kind of losses does the bank incur in issuing a soft loan? After all, the bank receives its interest, and not so small.

      So it used to give out at 12-16% percent, and now only at 6,5. Starving, poor ..
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 July 2020 19: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Alf

        So it used to give out at 12-16% percent, and now only at 6,5.

        At 6.5% do banks suffer losses? You were joking, not otherwise.
        1. Alf
          Alf 14 July 2020 19: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: Alf

          So it used to give out at 12-16% percent, and now only at 6,5.

          At 6.5% do banks suffer losses? You were joking, not otherwise.

          Again. Slow.
          Previously, banks issued mortgages at 12-16%. Now they have introduced a preferential mortgage at 6,5%. 12-6 = 6%. These are the lost interest banks and consider the loss.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 14 July 2020 19: 27 New
      -7
      Like it or not, a bank needs to pay interest on deposits - the money of which it gives on credit to other people and companies.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 14 July 2020 18: 57 New
    +8
    Tales of Grandpa Pu.
  • Grading
    Grading 14 July 2020 19: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: Vadim237
    Mortgages took 2,7 trillion rubles last year. 500000 families roughly.

    Are you being tested for intelligence in Lakhta?


    1. Strannik96
      Strannik96 14 July 2020 19: 31 New
      -2

      Lannan Shi Today,


      (come to Krasnodar, Rostov, Kazan, Yekaterinburg, Samara, Ufa, Sochi

      Laponka, by virtue of my past work, I have seen the European part of Russia better than you. And not from the front window, but from the inside. And I would like to clarify that the cities you have listed are by no means the whole country, but its small part. But if you stick your nose out of their limits ... Kirov is especially indicative in this regard, the region is degrading a little faster than others. The regional center, and around the taiga, 20 years ago the former fields. This is the future of the country. MO incidentally is no exception. I live 35 km from Moscow. The field, behind the back gate, is turning into a forest before our eyes. Yeah)
      In vain do you slander Kirov, they build houses for every taste both in the center and on the outskirts, on any pocket, at the top there are 2 photos in the center and on the outskirts - my relatives live there - they have been building very well and with roads over the past couple of years have put things in order and roads Well, very good, and towards Peter.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 July 2020 01: 05 New
      -3
      What do you dump data for 2015 for me? We have 2020 in our yard, if anything, if I already decided to post reports of foreign sources, then let's go to 2019.
  • iouris
    iouris 14 July 2020 20: 45 New
    0
    One historical chance out of a thousand.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 14 July 2020 21: 34 New
    +3
    Finally. Previously, there was no bicycle, but now ...
    All that is required of the Russians is a cat, to launch it into a new apartment .... The rest is almost done!
  • faterdom
    faterdom 14 July 2020 21: 44 New
    +5
    Quote: Fibrizio
    It's a shame rather for those who did not fit into the system after the 90th, but they are already over 50, they can’t build families and do not give birth to children.

    Therefore, it’s not a sin to throw a pension and a job ...
    The violinist is not needed.
    In the 80s they were too young to qualify for something in the cut (well, except for the Komsomol members - Khodor, Raduev, Sobchakovich-Medvedev and a number of notable personalities), in the 90s they "did not fit" into the market, in zero "they were overtaken Portugal ", but now the truth: not needed! They can't give birth ...
    And so, they used to throw them off the cliff, but now they don’t! Attainment!
    Social Darwinism in its purest form.
    Yes, only that society that does not respect its old people loses, no matter what it is guided by ...
    And we, unfortunately, are on this path at full speed.
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  • alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 14 July 2020 22: 38 New
    +5
    Fresh food yes .... with difficulty. Chatterbox ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 July 2020 01: 11 New
      -3
      Last year, 80 million square meters of housing were built - by 2026, this figure will reach 120 million squares of housing commissioning per year for developers, there will be no problems, especially when the state intensively helps in the construction of infrastructure.
    2. maiman61
      maiman61 15 July 2020 09: 21 New
      +7
      It is necessary to include in the Guinness Book of Records! Twenty years old rippers ride on their ears and twenty years old suckers believe!
  • ugrums1961
    ugrums1961 15 July 2020 01: 03 New
    +3
    I understand that Putin is not a specialist in construction; well, why should you make a fool of yourself? Since the beginning of the pandemic, the decline in the industry was caused by the absence of foreign construction workers, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Chinese, Moldovans, and even non-brothers at the country's construction sites. Further, in order, the old people don’t buy housing, although they live well, the youth, if they don’t open a job and don’t open a mortgage, there remains one category of middle-aged citizens, where there can also be any 50 to 50. Well, you can configure a lot, but the question is how many will be able to buy this housing.
  • Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 15 July 2020 07: 25 New
    +6
    "Historical Chance." Putin promised housewarming to millions of Russians

  • maiman61
    maiman61 15 July 2020 09: 19 New
    +7
    Yes, at least ten historical chances! If people get $ 200-300 a month, having the audacity to say that is the height of cynicism!
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 15 July 2020 12: 05 New
      -2
      Maybe it's time to earn money and not get it?
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 15 July 2020 18: 29 New
        0
        If he died, then for a long time, if, then forever!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 July 2020 15: 59 New
    0
    I looked at the OTR program dedicated to this topic. There can be one conclusion. Only centralized construction together with the prosecutor's office can largely fulfill this task. Too much rubbish has to be cleared to the center.
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 July 2020 18: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      . Only centralized construction together with the prosecutor's office can significantly fulfill this task.

      And what prevents 30 years from doing this?
      Quote: nikvic46
      Too much rubbish has to be cleared by the center.

      Will they fight with themselves?
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 15 July 2020 20: 21 New
        -1
        Vasily, USSR. In this program the directions were sounded in which to work, "constructive criticism" was sounded. And how it will all be perceived, or generally perceived, is a question.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 July 2020 20: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: nikvic46
          Vasily, USSR. In this program the directions were sounded in which to work, "constructive criticism" was sounded. And how it will all be perceived, or generally perceived, is a question.

          Someone who has not been named has been criticizing his boyars for 20 years, and urges them to rush, but the problem is, only water pipes and oil storage facilities answer such calls for a breakthrough.
          And the directions voiced for work over the past quarter century have accumulated as much as can’t be gained on a wind rose. The only thing He can do is tell tales.
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  • Shuttle
    Shuttle 16 July 2020 08: 24 New
    0
    Ordinary people ... Remind the former ...
  • Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 16 July 2020 17: 36 New
    +8
    In the last couple of years, I have been very wary of the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich what
  • komandir8
    komandir8 16 July 2020 23: 02 New
    0
    He did not promise anything, but only said that there is a historical chance to solve the housing problem. And not the fact that all this will be performed for various reasons and circumstances.
  • Mazuta
    Mazuta 17 July 2020 19: 47 New
    0
    It's not funny anymore...
  • Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 17 July 2020 20: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Lannan Shi
    Zero point zero. 5000 apartments in the last 20 years of the USSR, 60 under Yeltsinism, 0 under Putinism.

    Lying illiteracy:

    m2 of housing per person in Russia according to Rosstat: https: //www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/jil-f/jkh39.htm

    in 1990 - 16,4 m2 / h

    in 2020-25 m2 / person

    Maybe there are fewer people (the figure in the denominator), because the numerator has grown?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 July 2020 10: 05 New
      0
      Rather, this is the living area of ​​the upper thieves, officials and their servants so affects the average in 2020.
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 18 July 2020 11: 33 New
    +1
    I think they will move on to tenement houses. Who has capital, the most sure thing is to invest it in the construction of tenement houses and collect rent for the rest of their lives. Yes, and the heirs can leave such a "cash cow" as an inheritance. So this scenario is quite likely. Mortgages to many young people in a deteriorating economic situation, simply do not pull
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 July 2020 10: 07 New
      0
      These have long since passed to apartment buildings, Alexander.
      1. Alecsandr
        Alecsandr 20 July 2020 09: 43 New
        0
        They are now frantically looking for plans such as those of Roosevelt to build the Hoover Dam and build roads during the Great Depression. The board is about to end - now I'm going to fall! " And our depression never ends.