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Advisor to the head of Roskosmos charged with treason

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It became known about the development of events related to the case of the former journalist, adviser to the head of Roscosmos, Ivan Safronov. According to recent reports, Safronov has been charged with high treason. It is emphasized that the charge is not related to the activities of Ivan Safronov as an adviser to the federal space agency.


Thus, Safronov transferred from suspect status to defendant status. However, Ivan does not admit his guilt.

Safronov is under arrest until September 6 of this year. Law enforcers believe that, as a journalist, Ivan entered into cooperation with special services of the Czech Republic. During this collaboration, he transmitted information about weapons and the activities of the RF Armed Forces in the Middle East.

The lawyer of Ivan Safronov notes that the investigation has not yet indicated how the journalist was generally recruited, to whom specifically and how he transmitted the information.

Experts believe that the reason for the criminal case was the publication of Safronov in Kommersant about the Egyptian contract for Russian fighters. However, at the moment this information is not confirmed. And if this is true, then it would be worthwhile, within the framework of the case, to find out who transmitted such data (if they had signs of state secrets) to the journalist himself and for what purpose.

Ivan Safronov is 30 years old. He is a graduate of the Higher School of Economics with a degree in Journalism.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 13 July 2020 16: 16 New
    19
    Who transmitted the data - you need to find out. And punish. In general, the “HSE graduate" is already an occasion for accusation of treason. Already painfully anti-Russian sharashka.
    1. Aibolit
      Aibolit 13 July 2020 17: 32 New
      +4
      Quote: stock buildbat
      In general, the “HSE graduate" is already an occasion for accusation of treason. Already painfully anti-Russian sharashka.

      belay
      Why are you saying this?
      HSE Founder - Government of the Russian Federation
      HSE works like expert center for the government and administration of the president of the Russian Federation.
      Head of the Ministry of Digital Development, Telecommunications and Mass Media of the Russian Federation as part of the new government Konstantin Noskov, HSE graduate
      Oreshkin, Maxim Stanislavovich - Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation, Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation since January 24, 2020 - HSE graduate!
      Bloomberg announced an increase in the authority of Maxim Oreshkin in the upper echelons of power. The agency claims that the Minister of Economic Development is supported by Russian President Vladimir Putin


      The HSE rector has a spouse (spouse on the left, rector on the right, if you don’t know)


      be careful
      Criminal Code Article 319. Insulting a representative of authority

      Public insult of a representative of the authorities in the performance of his official duties or in connection with their performance -
      shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to forty thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to three months, or by compulsory labor for a term of up to three hundred and sixty hours, or correctional labor for a term of up to one year.
      (in the edition of Federal Laws from 08.12.2003 N 162-FZ, from 07.03.2011 N 26-ФЗ, from 07.12.2011 N 420-ФЗ)
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 13 July 2020 17: 33 New
        +6
        Thank you for the visual confirmation of my innocence.
      2. Igoresha
        Igoresha 13 July 2020 17: 38 New
        -1
        hmmmm .... Bulk on the FSB must be put, he began to disclose such suspicious journalists in 2018, according to indirect signs

        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 13 July 2020 20: 06 New
          +3
          so he is already working closely with the FSB wink New Gapon, but on thinner ... request
          1. Igoresha
            Igoresha 13 July 2020 20: 47 New
            -2
            collaborates, but "where is the landing (s)"
      3. iConst
        iConst 13 July 2020 19: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Aibolit
        HSE Founder - Government of the Russian Federation
        The HSE operates as an expert center for the government and presidential administration.

        All the more fun - the manuals are all Soros. The Gaidar affair lives and thrives on state money (read ours).
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 14 July 2020 05: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          HSE Founder - Government of the Russian Federation
          The HSE operates as an expert center for the government and presidential administration.

          All the more fun - the manuals are all Soros. The Gaidar affair lives and thrives on state money (read ours).
          Reply

          You quote a funny boy, and I appreciate!
          Prospect of the Russian Federation long before the Prospect of Mishustin (who also didn’t particularly show itself in the “field of creating people's welfare”) was headlong with the project of a cannibalistic pension reform, and you don’t have to have any brains to glorify the Prospect.
          And more about the actions of that liberal Prospect ...
          In Russia, up to 40 million are poor, and often just beggars.
          At the same time, 18 million tons are burnt and buried in the country annually. food with an expiring shelf life, which can still be consumed because it has not expired in storage time, but such food is not transferred for sale BECAUSE that when it is taken to a landfill, VAT is void and no income tax is levied.
          And retailers are ready to give these products to special funds for distribution among the poor, if Pr-in deals with VAT and income tax (canceling them when transferring to the poor), but Pr-in prefers not to feed the hungry and not support the life of the poor and just burn food ,.
          And some kind of bullshit will advertise this to the HSE, forcing the liberal Pr-in to leave the hungry hungry, and the poor poor ??
      4. iouris
        iouris 13 July 2020 22: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Aibolit
        HSE Rector Has Spouse

        , ... and the wife has long had a Central Bank. And this system is not subject to reform.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 14 July 2020 05: 59 New
          +3
          Why not subject?
          Even as it should be!
          You can say anything, but for a long time (18.06.20/XNUMX/XNUMX) Belousov OFFICIALLY declared that the practice of unhindered export of foreign currency over a hill stops, as does the practice of allegedly investing from abroad.
          How Putin will succeed - we'll see
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 July 2020 21: 45 New
      -3
      Quote: stock buildbat
      In general, the “HSE graduate" is already an occasion for accusation of treason. Already painfully anti-Russian sharashka.

      Read the biography of Mishustin.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 14 July 2020 06: 34 New
        +3
        And what about Mishustin?
        Mishustin believes that digitalization can become the basis for the transition to the 6th technological mode, but this is a complete and illiterate boast that has nothing to do with reality.
        Judge for yourselves: HOW can digitalization as an instrumental way of organizing a PHYSICAL or technological process (financial process, accounting process ...) PRODUCE surplus product of higher technological levels ???
        Bullshit (which produces Louse canine).
        Such a comparison stands along with this: if a medieval accountant made all his calculations on accounts, then today's accountant does the SAME, but using a laptop-book - that’s the whole difference in the way! laughing yes good
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 13 July 2020 16: 18 New
    17
    However, Ivan does not admit his guilt

    Ivan may not recognize it, but the court changed his status in the case.
    1. kit88
      kit88 13 July 2020 17: 25 New
      +1
      The investigator changed his status, presenting an accusation.
      And the court closed it for 2 months before that.
      According to Art. 172, 108, 109 Code of Criminal Procedure
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 14 July 2020 06: 36 New
      +1
      Well, yes, from the suspect he became the accused and there is very little chance that he will be acquitted ...
  3. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 16: 20 New
    -9
    Thus, Safronov transferred from suspect status to defendant status. However, Ivan does not admit his guilt.

    He would have confessed right away! Although very soon EVERYTHING will recognize where he will go!
    Anecdote from the past: The leader lost his cap and called the “iron” Felix and he promised to help. Turning around, the leader saw a cap on the floor where it fell from the hanger and, again, ringing the same call to Felix, canceled the search, and Edmundovich was so sincerely surprised: “How did you find the cap? I have seven confessed to the crime!”
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 13 July 2020 18: 03 New
      +3
      Shit needs to be thrown in, Gloomy skeptic, can’t sleep without it?
      1. Gloomy skeptic
        Gloomy skeptic 14 July 2020 01: 15 New
        -3
        But did I have to ask permission?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 14 July 2020 12: 12 New
          0
          Diarrhea does not ask, so the question is not for me.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 July 2020 18: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Gloomy Skeptic
      Anecdote from the past: The leader lost his cap and called the “iron” Felix and he promised to help. Turning around, the leader saw a cap on the floor where it fell from the hanger and, again, ringing the same call to Felix, canceled the search, and Edmundovich was so sincerely surprised: “How did you find the cap? I have seven confessed to the crime!”

      As Cardinal Armand Jean du Plessis, Duke of Richelieu, said:
      Give me 6 lines written by the hand of the most honest person, and I will find in them something for which you can hang.

      If during the examination of ordinary cases the court requires indisputable evidence, then it should take a completely different approach to cases concerning the state: in such cases, what follows from solid guesses should sometimes be taken as clear evidence.

      And finally:
      The lack of your criminal record is not your merit, but our flaw.

      Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 13 July 2020 16: 27 New
    +4
    Law enforcers believe that, as a journalist, Ivan entered into cooperation with special services of the Czech Republic.
    ...Those. he worked for NATO, being surrounded by the president, by the way this is no longer mentioned ..
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 July 2020 17: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      surrounded by the president

      Horror! Did Putin live in the next room? belay
    2. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 13 July 2020 18: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      ...Those. he worked for NATO, being surrounded by the president, by the way this is no longer mentioned ..

      It’s muddy like that.
      1. Aag
        Aag 13 July 2020 19: 41 New
        +2
        It’s problematic to search for truth in such cases, you won’t get information. And what you get, for sure, is thrown in, engaged ... And this is normal.
        But the fact that individuals, such as Skripal for a long time (IMHO), and without problems, without an ice ax in Bosko, exist, are the flaws of some departments: a pre-index is created for unstable! (Of course, it can take place, for the game of special services, if only for the benefit affairs, state, people))).
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 14 July 2020 09: 34 New
          0
          It should clarify what kind of people benefit.
  5. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 13 July 2020 16: 31 New
    +4
    The liberal tusa is sobbing sobbing about the arrest of a free journalist. Like de road crossed someone from the MO. I kept waiting for the official language. It is now clear. One thing is frustrating how many more such Safonov Morse Code letters dispatch at night. Anyway, a HSE graduate involved in state secrets .. This combination somehow fits poorly in my head.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 13 July 2020 18: 04 New
      +5
      Actually, like the combination of Rogozin and ROSKOSMOS.
    2. major147
      major147 13 July 2020 19: 55 New
      -1
      Quote: Gnefredov
      The liberal tusa is sobbing sobbing about the arrest of a free journalist.

      The same thing happened with the arrest of Sutyagin. What accusations against the authorities from the libertus did not sound! And where is Comrade now? Sutyagin !?
  6. HAM
    HAM 13 July 2020 16: 38 New
    +4
    This is the new Magnitsky! We need a new victim of the "regime", now crushing "freedom of speech" ...
  7. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 13 July 2020 16: 40 New
    14
    Actually, the charge of high treason is quite serious.
    It is necessary to distinguish:
    espionage,
    disclosure of state secrets,
    high treason.
    Espionage is the act of persons of another state. As a rule, any citizen of another state is a potential spy. Their job is to sniff out secrets and pass on. Not a very difficult article.
    The disclosure of state secrets - if you divulge information knowingly containing state secrets.
    High treason - there should be a composition:
    1. work for a foreign organization,
    2. the transfer of this organization information containing state secrets,
    3. Information containing state secrets should be received by you directly at your work and in one way or another is prohibited from being announced.
    Without these three points, treason cannot be attributed to the word NO from the word ABSOLUTELY.
    That is, if Safronov is blamed for the State Treason, then the publication has nothing to do with it.
    If the composition is proved, there is irrefutable evidence (this is all work not one day or even a month) and no matter how the defenders howl at this topic, they will write him out as it should.
    And rightly so in general.
    Gosizmena is truly a SERIOUS crime. Perfect against us all. Safronov didn't give a damn about everyone.
    1. lirik
      lirik 13 July 2020 16: 44 New
      -5
      The fact is that in this way Mr. Rogozin falls under the same article. Moreover, precedents for this are enough, according to the press.
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 13 July 2020 17: 00 New
        +5
        That's when they prove on all counts, then they will take with the appropriate formulation of the charge.
        А
        according to the press
        ...
        Each of us believes in something of his own. It's hard to believe the current press. Yes and whether it is necessary?
        Facts are a stubborn thing. You can believe in them. While there are no facts - in no way Rogozin does not fall anywhere. Although personally, he may or may not like him from any angle and to anyone.
        1. lirik
          lirik 13 July 2020 17: 04 New
          -4
          Of course. We are waiting for the continuation of the presentation)))
        2. major147
          major147 13 July 2020 19: 57 New
          0
          Quote: CAT BAYUN
          That's when they prove on all counts

          They’ll sort it out "on the shelves" and give out "to all the sisters by earrings" .....
    2. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 18: 19 New
      -5
      That is, if he did not have access to state secrets, then they certainly can’t impute treason on him?
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 13 July 2020 21: 38 New
        +1
        Exactly. But the charge of "treason" sounds, so there is evidence. In this case, it is extremely difficult to dig up the evidence base, but, nevertheless, if there is one, it means they have been collected.
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 July 2020 22: 00 New
          +1
          It’s hard for me to understand the evidence base if he has not officially had access to a state secret, but they write that he was not.
          I understand when they capture documents with the inscription secretly or at least photographs of obviously military objects when transmitting microfilm. Everything is clear there. But judging by the detention, this is not the case.
          But I know the cases, When1. They find something, conduct an examination and declare that it is a state secret.
          Recently there was an article that a scientist who lectured abroad was detained for state secrets; two years ago he secretly searched his luggage and examined one of the papers; the examination was recognized as state secret. The document is not shown to him, but he himself does not remember what was there.
          How a person should have guessed that this was a state secret - a complete mystery.
          1. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN 13 July 2020 22: 48 New
            0
            I find it difficult to understand the evidence base
            - Yes, and I did not delve into. There is someone there and what to understand .. I hope.
            Recently there was an article that a scientist who lectured abroad was detained for the export of state secrets

            Hard to believe articles in the current press. A source would be read - maybe that would have cleared up .... But the fact that a person does not remember .... Maybe he does not remember. Disclosure is intentional and not intentional.
            But there is no "export" of state secrets. There is a "disclosure."
            1. Avior
              Avior 13 July 2020 23: 03 New
              -4
              https://m.gazeta.ru/science/2020/06/15_a_13118191.shtml
              Mitko
    3. yfast
      yfast 13 July 2020 19: 06 New
      +1
      How to prove that he worked specifically for this sharazhka? They do not give out work books.
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 13 July 2020 21: 46 New
        +1
        How to prove that he worked specifically for this sharazhka?

        This is, rather, a question for the investigators, but I feel that we have ways. Although in this case, collecting everything is extremely difficult. Bit by bit, bit by bit ... Apparently there is something to prove. And there on - the discretion of the court. But this brow really doesn’t come out “dry” in any case. I think so. I hope not to be disappointed.
  8. lirik
    lirik 13 July 2020 16: 43 New
    +1
    Perhaps we should consider abolishing this dubious institution.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 13 July 2020 16: 48 New
    +4
    Because they are hard at making a prisoner of conscience out of him, it becomes clear that the guy blundered the Czechs too much.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 17: 16 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Because how hard they make him a prisoner of conscience

      Conscience, which he does not have.
    2. major147
      major147 13 July 2020 19: 59 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Because they are hard at making a prisoner of conscience out of him, it becomes clear that the guy blundered the Czechs too much.

      "Boy" encrypted his "talk" using VeraCrypt software. "
  10. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 13 July 2020 16: 56 New
    +3
    As a journalist, Ivan entered into cooperation with special services of the Czech Republic. During this cooperation, he transmitted information about the weapons and activities of the Russian Armed Forces in the Middle East.

    Wow geopolitical interests of the Czech Republic. At BV swung. Horror. A new center of power has formed in the world. Something they soon and the Chinese in sneakers trample on frost. And I thought that the Czechs can only brew beer, but demolish the monuments to their liberators. And here it is like ...
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 13 July 2020 17: 33 New
      +4
      Where the "Czechs" are there and the "ears" of the Bundeswehr stick out smile
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 13 July 2020 17: 46 New
        +2
        Yeah, about BND after wiretapping Merkel generally speaking funny
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 13 July 2020 17: 37 New
      +3
      No kindergarten. Of the independent intelligence in Europe, only MI6, and conditionally, but all NATO, are CIA branches, thanks to this an extensive base of residents is formed, which are more difficult to filter, unlike only staff members and the British. And so the beauty, Czechs, Hungarians, Poles, Dutch, Germans, Norwegians, Canadians are all suppliers of residency and intelligence to a single center, and you can pay them much less.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 13 July 2020 19: 01 New
        +2
        There is still interesting intelligence - the Vatican.
  11. rotkiv04
    rotkiv04 13 July 2020 17: 01 New
    +1
    HSE need to crush
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 July 2020 17: 04 New
    +2
    The criminal case on Safronov’s charge of transferring secret information to the Czech special services on the sale of Russian weapons to Africa and the Middle East was opened on July 6, 2020, but a day later, according to the testimony of lawyer Ivan Pavlov, there were 7 hardcover volumes. It turned out that Safronov’s telephone and electronic correspondence had been monitored by the FSB for a long time, and a number of departmental examinations rated the information transmitted to them as secret.

    Seven volumes! This is how many episodes he goes through ...

    The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service secretly controlled Safronov’s correspondence by e-mail from a home computer. According to lawyer Ivan Pavlov, the investigation believes that the secret information was transmitted by Safronov over the Internet using encryption methods. According to the FSB version, in 2012 Safronov was recruited by the Czech special services - the Office for External Relations and Information (ÚZSI), and in 2017 Safronov, who did not have access to state secrets, but who had personal contacts among top managers of defense industry enterprises, received from an employee Czech special services encrypted mission to collect information on military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and African countries and the activities of the Russian military in the Middle East.


    To the attention of all writing articles on weapons and the military-technical field in general!
    (Perhaps this also applies to commentators!)
    In the analytical article “Safronov’s case: what are the problems with prosecution for high treason in Russia”, devoted to legal regulation in the field of state secrets protection, the General Director of the Russian Council on International Affairs (INF) Andrei Kortunov noted that there are no completely transparent information criteria in the legislation of the Russian Federation, representing state secrets has adverse effects. At the same time, experts and journalists working with topics of the military sphere and armaments are at greatest risk. Paying attention to the absence in the Russian Federation of a set of rules and recommendations for journalists on coverage of military-technical cooperation with foreign countries, military expert Andrei Frolov comes to the conclusion that in Russia even a review article written about military-technical cooperation on open sources in the FSB regarded as the disclosure of state secrets. Lawyers Vladimir Zherebenkov and Ruslan Kobzev also criticized that such cases in Russia are being held behind closed doors, secret from the public and the press, who cannot find out about the arguments of the prosecution and the defense. The examination in such cases is secret, departmental and dependent on the investigation, it is practically impossible to challenge its findings, and prosecutorial supervision in cases of espionage and state secrets investigated by the FSB is very limited.
  13. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 13 July 2020 17: 04 New
    +9
    In how, the media adviser in Roskosmos has an official Mercedes, a personal driver, and design engineers run after the departing OT, degradation
  14. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 13 July 2020 17: 11 New
    +8
    Explain to me how in 30 years you can become an adviser to the head of Roskosmos? Is he a GENIUS ?!
    1. Stalllker
      Stalllker 13 July 2020 19: 07 New
      +1
      Yes, he is Genius
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 July 2020 01: 15 New
      0
      And the FSB, we note, has been collecting material on it since 2012. 8 years.
      That is, he was 22 years old when he became a traitor. belay
      And he is invited to work at Roskosmos. To the highest position.
      Checks probably were? Requests to the FSB. The FSB does not mind.
      And suddenly - an arrest!
      You can shoot the series: "eight moments of summer" smile
      Voice-over: “Rogozin sat down and thought. He knew that Safronov was working
      Romanian intelligence, but did Safronov know about this? "
  15. Kibl
    Kibl 13 July 2020 17: 16 New
    +2
    Higher school of "economics", well, well ...... This school will quickly fail under the "tower".
  16. Tests
    Tests 13 July 2020 17: 36 New
    +6
    A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov), dear, in the days of the USSR it was established that the volume of the criminal case was approximately 250 pages. In the Russian Federation, all investigators adhere to this rule. I can assume that volumes 2-3 are printouts of negotiations by phone, skype, email. Another couple - three volumes of expertise proving that the negotiations contained information containing state secrets. So what was left on volume 1: the decision to institute criminal proceedings, all the materials for searches and seizures, the decisions to order examinations of documents and information carriers seized during searches and seizures, the records of the first interrogations, materials on the selection of a preventive measure by the court, status documents already accused. Not very many volumes, and episodes should not be many. Otherwise, the judge may ask the opera a very unpleasant question: "When did you realize that the defendant committed the crime?" And if the opera answers that after 3-4 episodes (and not after the first or second, because the crime is especially grave), the question will be about negligence (namely criminal) and the opera, and its boss, and the prosecutor, which oversees the body that carried out the supervision for the subject of the horde.
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 13 July 2020 23: 56 New
      +1
      On paperwork I agree. But, if a case is initiated on the basis of the implementation of operational materials, such an event is sometimes preceded by a lengthy process from the moment the operative receives information about preparations for the commission of a crime committed or committed. The methods for collecting and documenting this information are the ARD.
      The decision on the initiation (refusal) of the case is approved by the prosecutor, he asks the staff.
  17. Alsur
    Alsur 13 July 2020 17: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: lirik
    The fact is that in this way Mr. Rogozin falls under the same article. Moreover, precedents for this are enough, according to the press.

    Of course, the press has 100℅ faith, but she never believes (sarcasm).
  18. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 17: 44 New
    -1
    And for what merit of this "writer" was taken in advisers to the head of "Roskosmos" ??? His forehead is not burdened with intelligence from the word AT ALL, how do such characters fall on such sinecures?
    1. mark2
      mark2 13 July 2020 18: 51 New
      +3
      Odnemovets, apparently. Those without soap go to all levels of government.
      1. Stalllker
        Stalllker 13 July 2020 19: 06 New
        +2
        Than the same all the same lubricate that would pass smoothly
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 14 July 2020 13: 29 New
      +1
      "do not have a hundred rubles, but buy a big jack")))
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  20. Stalllker
    Stalllker 13 July 2020 19: 01 New
    +2
    / how the journalist was generally recruited /... what a difference. If it is proved, then he is a traitor ...
  21. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 13 July 2020 19: 09 New
    +3
    This is some kind of "F" ...
    Whatever the day, the "landing"! ... Either the governor is a gangster, then treason, then ambush. And something that I’m not very happy about is my faithful wife! ...
    Is there a thought (not new) that anyone has appointed, chosen in the leadership? ...
    And what guided us in appointments?! ..
    At our NW plant, the ex-chief engineer from the winery was in charge of production at one time (as I was told). Then he quit abruptly. How did he get into a shipbuilding at all? ...
  22. Karaul73
    Karaul73 13 July 2020 20: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Carrier
    He is a graduate of HSE

    Yes, there the whole school, the State Department’s aspen nest, is full of spies and saboteurs .. It has long been famous for its graduates.

    So they teach it well, one thing is bad that they do not teach it.
  23. 123456789
    123456789 13 July 2020 22: 31 New
    0
    When creating the “Victory” car, the car was first given the name “Homeland”. When Stalin was informed about this, he ironically asked: “How much will you sell your homeland?” Frightened, the developers changed the name of the car to "Victory." To which Stalin remarked: "Victory is small, but let it be Victory."
  24. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 14 July 2020 13: 06 New
    0
    Quote: NordUral
    Diarrhea does not ask, so the question is not for me.

    Mom called you that? Unusual for a normal person. Or even then there were hints of your current diagnosis?