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A new family of armored vehicles has been developed in Russia

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A new family of armored vehicles has been developed in Russia

In Russia, a new family of armored vehicles "VPK-Strela" has been developed. The development was carried out by specialists of the Military Industrial Company (VPK LLC) on an initiative basis. This was announced by Director General of the military-industrial complex Alexander Krasovitsky.


According to Krasovitsky, "VPK" has developed a new family of light armored vehicles that can be transported on the external suspension of a Mi-8 helicopter. Currently made an experimental sample of a new armored car.

On an initiative basis, as soon as possible, the designers of the Military Industrial Company LLC developed and proposed a concept for creating light class cars, within the framework of which an experimental prototype of an armored vehicle from the VPK-Strela family was developed and manufactured.

- he said.

The general director of the military-industrial complex explained that the new Strela armored car is designed to transport people and various cargoes with the required level of armor protection. The machine can be used in various qualities, taking into account the tasks.

The gross vehicle weight is only 4,7 tons, while the armor provides ballistic protection of the 2nd class (protects from bullets with a heat-strengthened core of a cartridge of caliber 5,45x39 mm from AK-74, bullets with a heat-strengthened core of a cartridge of caliber 7,62x39 mm from AKM , bullets with a non-heat-strengthened core of a cartridge of 7,62x54 mm caliber from SVD). Mine protection provides protection for the crew when undermining under the wheel of explosive devices up to 2 kg of TNT.

Max. highway speed - up to 155 km / h, capacity - up to 8 people. The design of the machine is based on promising 100% Russian units, components and parts, planned for development in the mass production of the domestic auto industry.

It is emphasized that the small mass of the armored car allows you to quickly transfer it to the external sling of transport-combat helicopters of the Mi-8 type.

To date, there are simply no such armored vehicles in service with our army.

- said Krasovitsky.
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Press Service of the Military Industrial Company LLC
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 13 July 2020 13: 30 New
    18
    I don't understand anything at all. This is the game, right? Swargan armored cars in a week? Or is it just that we have nowhere to put our money? Almost every month a new "armored car" is displayed. Maybe you should focus on the production and refinement of existing samples, or release better samples, and not collect dozens of projects that are very different from each other, but perform the same task?
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 July 2020 13: 36 New
      30
      The development was carried out by the specialists of the "Military-Industrial Company" ("VPK" LLC) on an initiative basis. This is called business. they have developed and offer MO. the more choice the better. they are not given money for this
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 13 July 2020 13: 39 New
        -4
        I am very happy for them. I just don't understand the need to shove piles of different samples. Wouldn't it be better to decide, adopt 1-2 armored cars and produce them on a conveyor belt, and not shove all these "pocket" developments into all the cracks, but purposefully offer them to potential buyers?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 July 2020 13: 41 New
          19
          with such developments they have a choice which is better. nobody shoves them anywhere. no one says that MO will like this car and they will order it. The company conducted a study and saw a niche that no one occupied and quickly decided to develop and propose an option.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 20 New
          +7
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          Isn't it better to decide, adopt 1-2 armored cars and put them on the conveyor?

          So that determine and produce you need to have something to choose from. Moreover, it is very desirable, already in the gland.
          Moreover, this machine is not a government order, but an initiative development. For which the budget will pay only if adopted.
      2. Roman123567
        Roman123567 13 July 2020 13: 44 New
        -6
        This is called a business.. they developed and offer MO. the more choices the better. them they don’t give money for it


        Some kind of strange business ..
        Probably still give ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 July 2020 13: 51 New
          +8
          what's so strange So you saw an empty place in the market and developed a product for this market. he has his own niche. you want to take this place first. will you wait until someone gives you money for this? ) while you wait, others will take it. MO in this case is a possible buyer. no more.
          1. Roman123567
            Roman123567 13 July 2020 14: 24 New
            -7
            Firstly, the place there is not empty ..
            Take and create your own automatic / armored car .. when they are already in service full ..
            We Mig and Su compete so that for two there is not enough of this place !!
            What kind of "take first" to talk about here ..
            About the fact that everything has been busy for a long time ..
            Business is when NASA allocates money to Lockheed and Boeing for the construction of a spacecraft .. which they master, and give their proposals .. Whoever won - will receive more on contracts afterwards .. But there are no "losers" either ..
            And to develop and do something yourself purely at his own expense .. all the more so as it’s not a rocket that doesn’t exist .. but a product that is full .. Probably, the leader there pays engineers out of his pocket ..))
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 13 July 2020 14: 26 New
              +1
              these are enterprise problems. for this they have a marketing department and a development department. they better know which is better. if they saw a niche is their risk. simple practice.
              1. Roman123567
                Roman123567 13 July 2020 14: 57 New
                -3
                they better know which is better.

                Yeah .. to say that since they do this means they better know .. this is only if you knowingly accept the interpretation that they do all this for free ..))
                I just wrote above why this is unlikely .. and what, using the example of NASA, is "common practice"

                UK Transport Secretary Grant Schapps, while visiting Cranfield University, has announced that the government has allocated a grant of £ 2,7 million (€ 3,3 million) to the HyFlyer project, a six-seater hydrogen-powered Piper aircraft.


                It was decided to design and start mass production of a new aircraft. To do this, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia held a competition in September, the Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) in Yekaterinburg became its winner.
                A contract worth 1,25 billion rubles with very strict conditions was to be concluded with him: by the end of December of this year, the Ural State Aviation Administration should submit a general view of the aircraft and outline technical documentation, next year - to make design and technical documentation and make a prototype new car.
                Two bidders for one contract
                However, the results of the competition were canceled due to a complaint from another applicant for the contract - Baikal-Engineering. She sent a complaint to the Federal Antimonopoly Service, indicating in it that the application was returned due to trifles: Sberbank did not transfer the amount of money necessary for admission to the account opened for participation in the tender (the so-called security of the application).
                The Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia had to extend the competition, consider again the applications of both applicants. As a result, the choice was made in favor of Baikal Engineering with a slight caveat - if he avoids fulfilling the contract, then instead of it the An-2 successor can design a UZGA. The terms of the contract for the design of the aircraft and the release of the prototype remained the same. The agency must sign a contract with Baikal Engineering by the end of October


                It’s strange that it’s not for free ..))
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 13 July 2020 15: 11 New
                  +3
                  grants are generally from another opera. you don’t bother with everything. A grant is a free subsidy to enterprises, organizations and individuals in cash or in kind for scientific or other research, development work, training, treatment and other purposes, followed by a report on their use. In the same case, there is not a single word about grants. but there is a very specific statement about the initiative development.
            2. Victorio
              Victorio 13 July 2020 15: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Roman123567
              Firstly, the place there is not empty ..
              Take and create your own automatic / armored car .. when they are already in service full ..

              ===
              If I am not mistaken, this company of the Military Industrial Company (OOO VPK) is the developers of the tiger, the boomerang. or related to it
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 13 July 2020 15: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        (VPK LLC) on an initiative basis. This is called business. they have developed and offer MO. the more choice the better. they are not given money for this

        All this is so. But here’s what I’m afraid of - the developers will bring the denyuzhka to the right office and the armored car will be adopted. Not distinguished by anything outstanding from those already adopted. And there will be a headache with the supply of spare parts, etc. from the Zampotechs.
        The "assortment" of armored vehicles is too large.
      4. lucul
        lucul 13 July 2020 17: 38 New
        +1
        This is called a business. they developed and offer MO. the more choices the better. they are not given money for it

        I support.
        The total mass of the machine is only 4,7 tons,

        But the machine turned out not bad - a worthy replacement for the UAZ-469 will be.
        Oppy out, below, how excited at her)))
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 13 July 2020 13: 46 New
      -6
      Broneseyfik carry money, no more.
    3. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 14: 12 New
      0
      There is no single approach. The niche of medium and heavy ones was closed by typhoons, and then they remembered about the lungs and here ... They tried to cram the tiger into this niche (and its development is Athlete), and the lynx, and the scorpion.
      Here it is not so much the military-industrial complex should think about it (they did everything right), but the Ministry of Defense should say clearly and clearly: either we choose medium-heavy machines (Athlete, Typhoon) + "Pokemon" and tigers, or we continue to look for the "golden mean".
    4. kgbfarm1
      kgbfarm1 13 July 2020 17: 22 New
      +2
      Well, as it were:
      "Recently, the assembly and painting of our new light armored vehicle was completed. The main concept for creating this vehicle is aimed at solving the problem of unification with common brands of commercial vehicles operated in the country, as well as the possibility of using a service network for its maintenance and repair throughout the Russian Federation," - Krasovitsky informed.

      According to him, due to the use of units and assemblies of mass production, the new armored car has a minimum cost and an increased resource.

      The head of the military-industrial complex did not disclose the name and main characteristics of the car. "We will present this car and a number of our other new developments at the Army-2020 forum," he added.
    5. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 July 2020 20: 25 New
      -1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      I don't understand anything at all. This is the game, right? Swargan armored cars in a week? Or is it just that we have nowhere to put our money? Almost every month a new "armored car" is displayed.

      this is an initiative development, if this would not have happened, then instead of the T34 there would have been such a freak ...

      TTZ freak ST after TTZ on BT (tank Christie) Tukhachevsky:
      1. Wheel-track type, with 6-wheel drive according to Christie type
      2. Combat weight: 13-14 tons
      3. Armament: one 45 mm or 76 mm gun, three DT machine guns, a flamethrower for self-defense. Every 5th tank must have an anti-aircraft mount
      4. Ammunition: 130-150 rounds for a 45 mm gun or 50 rounds for a 76 mm gun, 2500-3000 rounds for DT
      5. Booking: forehead - 25 mm, conical tower - 20 mm, side and stern - 16 mm, roof and bottom - 10 mm. All inclined armor with a minimum angle of inclination of the armor plates of the hull and turret 18 °
      6. The speed on the tracks and on the wheels is the same: maximum 70 km \ h, minimum
      7 km \ h 7. Crew 3 people
      8. Cruising range: 300-400 km
      9. Engine: BD-2 with a power of 400-600 hp
      10. Transmission: according to the type of BT-IS wheel-tracked tank (power take-off for wheel running after side clutches)
      11. Suspension: individual, it is desirable to use torsion springs as springs
      12. Install the “Orion” shot stabilizer and the horizontal stabilizer of the tower of the engineer Povalov’s system, install night-time headlights with a range of up to 1000 meters.
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 July 2020 21: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      It may be worth focusing on the production and refinement of existing samples.

      What to bring if
      To date, there are simply no such armored vehicles in service with our army.
      - said Krasovitsky.
    7. vVvAD
      vVvAD 15 July 2020 10: 56 New
      0
      This is an armored car of a light class, lighter than the Tigers and Athletes, and it has a completely different, narrower niche: it gives new opportunities for transportation by the most popular mass Soviet helicopter, which means we are talking about:
      - increasing the mobility of domestic airborne forces and intelligence services, the same mass production as that of tigers is simply not required for this;
      - good export prospects for the army and special units in view of the high prevalence of various modifications of the Mi-8 in the world - but there is where to turn around, because the demand for mobility is also rising in poor countries that do not have a full-fledged BTA, and Strela itself will be definitely cheaper than the Tigers in mass production, which is also important for them.
  2. Pereira
    Pereira 13 July 2020 13: 33 New
    0
    To date, there are simply no such armored vehicles in service with our army.


    Are you needed? Can anyone say?
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 14: 09 New
      0
      Probably still needed: attempts to get a single light platform have been made in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for a long time (tiger, lynx, scorpion, etc.) and even light and capable of being transported by helicopter suspension use unarmored cornfields and the like versions of civilian SUVs. About the possibility of using serial tigers in this role, nothing was heard.

      Another thing is that it is probably time to develop common requirements for light armored vehicles and get one single light wheeled platform in addition to medium-heavy typhoons, urals and patrols. An example is the American JLTV.
      1. illi
        illi 13 July 2020 15: 19 New
        +2
        JLTV. Never mind a light platform of 10 tons. We have an Athlete with a Typhoon in this niche - the Airborne Forces fall.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 13 July 2020 17: 35 New
          -1
          L-ATV weighs 6,4 tons. Approaching 10 tons with armor and body kits.
          1. illi
            illi 15 July 2020 15: 22 New
            0
            You still count the t-90 without armor and towers.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 13 July 2020 14: 24 New
      -13 qualifying.

      You need something like this. In the news, another carrier of corpses.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 13 July 2020 14: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Grazdanin
        You need something like this.

        And this one is good, a large number of "blind spots", even compared to the old man "Humvee"?
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 13 July 2020 14: 53 New
          -5
          You recognize Google Oshkosh L-ATV.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 15: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Grazdanin
        You need something like this. In the news, another carrier of corpses.

        The funniest thing is that they did something like this - Wolverine for the Airborne Forces (aka Typhoon-Airborne Forces) and with a simplified suspension for other troops. Dr. the point is that they say that KAMAZ has not yet fully implemented import substitution.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 13 July 2020 16: 14 New
          0
          A good car, but it is an analogue of M-ATV 13-15 tons, L-ATV up to 7 tons. A series of typhoons are successful cars, I'm glad that they are in the army. Now you need a normal lightweight machine, with mine protection from 5-6 kg
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 13 July 2020 19: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Grazdanin
            Now I need a normal light machine, with mine protection from 5-6 kg

            And how do you imagine it: "light machine" with protection from 5-6 kg of explosives?
            With the same success, you can order a bike with protection from kilogram mines.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 July 2020 20: 03 New
              +1
              Easy. For example IVECO LMV, L-ATV. It’s light up to 7 tons, and generally weighs up to 5 tons.
              1. vVvAD
                vVvAD 15 July 2020 11: 17 New
                0
                So and so, only besides this anti-mine protection it has little: patency and temperature conditions of work for our country are not suitable, the depth of ford overcome on the move is ridiculous, does not float, landing capacity is half as much with a similar level of protection.
                And all of the above takes weight. Add all this and increase the armor to the maximum for Iveco LMV, and get an under-tiger with less maneuverability, protection, and payload. And the Mi-8 will definitely not pick it up.
                The question, in fact, is the balance of characteristics and priorities.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 15 July 2020 11: 20 New
                  0
                  Mi-8 and the car in this news will not pick up. Carrying capacity Mi8 3 tons, on an external sling.
                  1. vVvAD
                    vVvAD 15 July 2020 11: 43 New
                    0
                    Firstly, the mass of the load on the external suspension varies according to various sources up to 4 tons, apparently, depending on the modification.
                    Read the article carefully. It's about the gross weight of the car. Hopefully no need to explain what it is?
                    We are not talking about going into battle on the fly due to the banal hopelessness of this action due to the vulnerability of the helicopter itself, especially in the process of landing.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 July 2020 21: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Grazdanin
        another corpse carrier

        Anything better than "UAZ". There is no chance at all.
  3. Roman123567
    Roman123567 13 July 2020 13: 43 New
    -9
    Max. highway speed - up to 155 km / h

    Interesting - where are they going to drive like that .. well, at least theoretically ..))

    Well, in general .. what for it is needed ?? Old or something bad ..
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 14: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Roman123567
      Old or something bad

      It is positioned as a machine capable of being transported by helicopter. We have no such armored vehicles.
      1. Roman123567
        Roman123567 13 July 2020 14: 26 New
        -7
        It is positioned as a machine capable of being transported by helicopter

        Max. highway speed - up to 155 km / h

        Interesting - where are they going to drive like that .. well, at least theoretically ..))


        Now everything fell into place ..))
      2. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 15: 28 New
        -5
        Which helicopter? And then the armored personnel carrier and MTLBV and BMP-3 the same Mi-26 will drag off without problems,
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 15: 43 New
          +3
          "The light weight of the armored car allows it to be quickly deployed on the external sling of the Mi-8 type combat and transport helicopters.

          To date, there are simply no such armored vehicles in service with our army "
          Direct quote from the article.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 17: 38 New
            -3
            Well, well, but many combat pilots of eights are trained and have an admission - to carry cargo on an external sling?
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 July 2020 20: 13 New
              +2
              Just realized, on MI 8, external loads can carry loads of up to 3 tons.
              1. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 20: 15 New
                0
                It’s possible, only the admission there is in units as far as I heard and talked with our helicopter pilots.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 13 July 2020 20: 17 New
                  +3
                  The car about which the news weighs 4,7 tons of empty. How they are going to transport it to Mi 8 is not clear.
                  1. Cyril G ...
                    Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 20: 20 New
                    -1
                    Ugh got it ... Nonsense is shorter. It is only the Mi-26 that you can carry - a couple of pieces ...
                    1. Grazdanin
                      Grazdanin 13 July 2020 20: 21 New
                      +2
                      Yeah, there was a feeling nae @ alova in this article, I could not understand where))
                      1. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 20: 25 New
                        0
                        As usual shorter. Here I even took the UAZ Patriot and Mi-26 model on a 1/200 scale and really figured 2 Patriots for sure. The third longest cargo compartment will not enter. The rest is for specialists - helicopter pilots. Personally, I saw how MTLBV loaded into the Mi-26 and dragged ....
  4. nikant
    nikant 13 July 2020 13: 45 New
    -10 qualifying.
    cut the money ... 2 kg is the day before yesterday: you must dance from 6 !!! , personnel must be protected! I also agree with the Stroybat stock ...
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 July 2020 13: 54 New
      +7
      whose money? damn you read across? initiative development.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 13 July 2020 14: 06 New
        -9
        Not mine and not yours. Aliens ...
      3. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 13 July 2020 16: 18 New
        -4
        Yes, I read "along". But the feeling is kind of twofold. On the one hand, it is good that the engineering idea does not stand still and produces a new product. And a light airborne armored car is probably needed for the relevant units. On the other hand, his security is confusing. After hitting it, for example, on a PT mine, the result will be disastrous. Yes, and a large-caliber machine gun will sew it. In general, a specific armored car for the corresponding tasks. Maybe the National Guard will like it.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 13 July 2020 14: 03 New
    0
    It is emphasized that the small mass of the armored car allows you to quickly transfer it to the external sling of transport-combat helicopters of the Mi-8 type. Yes, the faq is there ... load a set of wings on the "roof" ... and "herself, herself ..."!
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 July 2020 14: 19 New
    -1
    Tell me who understands.
    How can I fix such a machine on the external suspension MI8.
    The helicopter must first take off and hover over the armored car?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 July 2020 19: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Livonetc
      How can I fix such a machine on the external suspension MI8.
      The helicopter must first take off and hover over the armored car?

      How ... how ... Yes, like that!

      PSLeave your slippers alone! I admit ... it's not Mi-8! But, most importantly, the idea! fellow
  7. AllBiBek
    AllBiBek 13 July 2020 14: 23 New
    -2
    A light armored car with automatic bullet protection and with the name "Arrow"?
    Brothers approve.
    That's just that in the 90s he would not have such a name and such price characteristics.
  8. senima56
    senima56 13 July 2020 14: 30 New
    +1
    There are a lot of developments, it's good .... But as the Army is shown, except for the "Tigers" no other machines are visible! A few years ago, the LSA Scorpio was touted, and where is it? Now here is the military-industrial complex "Strela", but for how long?
    1. Free wind
      Free wind 13 July 2020 14: 49 New
      -2
      A tiger was shoved into the arrogant army.
      1. illi
        illi 13 July 2020 15: 25 New
        +4
        No one shoved him. He’s just the firstborn. When it came to the generals that such a bronie was needed, the tiger was already there. They began to take him. The rest came much later.
    2. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 15: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: senima56
      But as the Army is shown, except for "Tigers" no other machines are visible!

      Typhoons in the 6x6 version are actively lit. 4x4 only recently began to be delivered and also began to be hallowed in the frames of the exercises. Pokémon (based on the Urals and Kamaz) have long been in units - they carried the severity of 2CHV. Scorpio was never set.
      Before the Tigers, the army first tried "Vodnik" (and immediately threw it out and forgot it like a bad dream), Shot (the Strategic Missile Forces entered and there is still), and therefore the Tiger fell under the arm (not the worst armored car).
  9. Eug
    Eug 13 July 2020 14: 44 New
    +2
    As far as I understand, there are no cars that satisfy the army today, so the search for options in various classes of cars continues. As for me, the more options there are, the better - if the development is financially independent. It seems that the military simply cannot clearly formulate the required performance characteristics (otherwise all samples would have been created under the same stringent requirements) and are looking at where the developers will "bring" ...
    1. illi
      illi 13 July 2020 15: 29 New
      -3
      Yes, everything goes in the same direction as the Americans. As a result, they will stop at 10 tons. VPK increases the mass of the Tiger (Athlete). Kamaz, on the other hand, reduces the mass of typhoons (Typhoon Airborne Forces) as a result, both of our developers are approaching 10 tons from different sides.
  10. Slavs
    Slavs 13 July 2020 14: 46 New
    +2
    The new family of armored vehicles ....
    If the emphasis were on mine protection, like MRAP, then I would believe in a new one ....
    And so everything is the old fashioned way ...
  11. Free wind
    Free wind 13 July 2020 14: 48 New
    0
    Judging by the photo, it can be approximately assumed that the dimension is UAZ. Well, a lot. if you book a UAZ, then it will probably be comparable. That is, this UAZ niche. UAZs are armored, so it can fit into this niche.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 13 July 2020 14: 55 New
      -5
      It cannot, good mine protection is needed.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 July 2020 21: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: Grazdanin
        It cannot, good mine protection is needed.

        This is an EASY armored car, but you want a tank. No one will send him to the front lines, and for anti-sabotage and counter-terrorism operations is better than an UAZ and even than a BRDM. Holds a bullet and a grenade.
        1. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 13 July 2020 21: 40 New
          +1
          No, I want what would be at or above the best world analogues.
  12. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 13 July 2020 14: 56 New
    -6
    Russia needs analogues of Turkish Kirpi
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 13 July 2020 15: 48 New
      -1
      They already are - 6x6 typhoons. But the need for a relatively light 4x4 need is big.
    2. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 13 July 2020 16: 15 New
      -1
      Rather Cobra 4 * 4
  13. Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 July 2020 15: 00 New
    0
    WHAT FOR? ??? We have, and so the variety is probably the largest in the world! Who needs such a pain in the neck with logistics, service, spare parts supply? Isn't it time to put things in order in our armored missile defense vehicle?
  14. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 15: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: Roman123567
    We Mig and Su compete so that for two there is not enough of this place !!

    Who told you this ??? These are aircraft of different levels and completely different missions. If you do not understand the essence, then there is no need to comment, you would still call Gazelle and Kamaz competitors.
  15. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 15: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn
    Russia needs analogues of Turkish Kirpi

    This is one that can not be set on fire only from an unloaded broom ??? From the rest of the gunshot Kurds in Syria, this shell was stopped and this despite the fact that they do not have heavy artillery weapons, there is ABSOLUTELY none.
  16. Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 15: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Eug
    As far as I understand, there are no cars that satisfy the army today, so the search for options in various classes of cars continues. As for me, the more options there are, the better - if the development is financially independent. It seems that the military simply cannot clearly formulate the required performance characteristics (otherwise all samples would have been created under the same stringent requirements) and are looking at where the developers will "bring" ...

    Most likely you are right! This problem is now acute in ALL armies of the world and NOT ONE WHO do not have a pair of universal auto-armored cars. If you do not try the options, then NEVER find an acceptable instance. So let them create and develop !!!
  17. Free wind
    Free wind 13 July 2020 15: 46 New
    0
    Tigers-Lynx capacity of 10 people, deliver fighters to the front edge and back, that is, an armored car to separate the fighters. We have before this armored personnel carrier for soldiers, or even worse zila, KAMAZ with a rag covered for UAZ commanders. So for the staff of the machine is not. Bronik for 4 people is missing.
    1. Grazdanin
      Grazdanin 13 July 2020 16: 16 New
      0
      Any world and 10 corpses.
  18. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 13 July 2020 16: 21 New
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    another 100 concept cars
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 13 July 2020 16: 28 New
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    This is a replacement for UAZ, as I understand it. What units will stand? Will there be duplicates on a civilian car?
  20. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 13 July 2020 18: 24 New
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    The company producing Tiger-m made a kind of minnigr. A couple of tones are lighter and faster. Does it make sense? I don’t know.
  21. iouris
    iouris 13 July 2020 21: 30 New
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    When will worthy representatives of the family of internal combustion engines be developed?
  22. keleg
    keleg 14 July 2020 12: 43 New
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    With a mass of 4,7 tons, the Il-112V will carry it. At least that's why the armored car makes sense.