Less than a percent gap: After the presidential election in Poland, intrigue persists

The second round of the presidential election was held in Poland yesterday. The final results have not yet been announced, and it is impossible to say with certainty who became the winner.

There's a possibility. That the current president of Poland, Andrzej Duda, after the election will continue to perform his duties for another term.

The data of the first exit polls show that he is 0,8-0,9 percent ahead of his competitor, the mayor of Warsaw, Rafal Tshaskovsky. If Duda won 50,4 percent of the vote, then his opponent this figure was 49,6 percent. A gap of less than a percent fits into the statistical error. He is so small that it is difficult to say who won.

Therefore, it is worth waiting for the announcement of the results of the final vote count, which the State Electoral Commission of Poland will announce today.

The official announcement of the results of the presidential election will happen in two days. And although the results have not yet been summed up, both candidates are confident in their victory, and their supporters are already beginning to celebrate it. Emotions are heated to such an extent that one does not have to expect a calm recognition of oneself defeated by one of the parties.

A similar situation in modern Polish stories previously did not occur.

The German edition of Die Welt writes that "nothing was ordinary in this election." The publication expresses the author’s thought, according to which it is necessary to wait in what respect the Polish-German relations will develop in the future.

For Russia, the situation with the election of the Polish president is such that in any case, a warming of relations between Moscow and Warsaw is not expected in the near future.

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[Graz]

give Maidan, well, or Rokos, if in the Polish manner

[Civil]

Dull results from them, what to say ... should be as it should be - at least 80% for.

[mdsr]

Quote: Civil

Dull results from them, what to say ... should be as it should be - at least 80% for.

They just have neither Pamfilova, nor Lydia Ermoshina. They would show the Poles HOW to conduct the elections and HOW to calculate the results. Then Duda would have scored 75-80% without problems

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: mdsr

They just have neither Pamfilova, nor Lydia Ermoshina. They would show the Poles HOW to conduct the elections and HOW to calculate the results. Then Duda would have scored 75-80% without problems

And why do you not allow the idea that just so many people voted for Putin, how many were announced?
Why do you not find the strength to admit: "I do not agree with the choice of the majority, but I accept it"?
Why is only the solution that suits you personally honest for you?

[mdsr]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And why do you not allow the idea that just so many people voted for Putin, how many were announced?

Maybe because I still haven't lost my sense of adequacy? You yourself do not admit that in Russia there are still adequate people who defy the propaganda and total lies that are flourishing in the country? Do you really think that propaganda is really omnipotent? Then I can congratulate you. You have an inadequate view of people.

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why do you not find the strength to admit: "I do not agree with the choice of the majority, but I accept it"?

That is, you propose to me to admit that the final figures of the "vote" drawn by Pamfilova and her subordinates on command from the presidential administration are the real expression of the will of the people? Three times HA. I'm already running, stumbling, to recognize the results of these circus performances

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Why is only the solution that suits you personally honest for you?

You tell these words to schoolchildren. I’m sure they will somehow affect them, unlike me

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: mdsr

Maybe because I still haven't lost my sense of adequacy?

Why did you decide that you did not lose this feeling? And what does it even mean?

You yourself do not admit that in Russia there are still adequate people who defy the propaganda and total lies that are flourishing in the country?

Who and by what criteria determines the resilience of these people?

That is, you propose to me to admit that the final figures of the "vote" drawn by Pamfilova and her subordinates on command from the presidential administration are the real expression of the will of the people? Three times HA. I'm already running, stumbling, to recognize the results of these circus performances

Do you have counterarguments besides staging videos from YouTube?

You tell these words to schoolchildren. I’m sure they will somehow affect them, unlike me

This was what we had to start with.
It’s impossible to convince you of anything, because what you don’t believe cannot exist by definition.
This is your plan.
But no one is to blame for the fact that she is. Except yourself.
And you live with it, and you will live.

[Shurik70]

But the scriptwriters were trained in the USA.
There, the counting of all votes is carried out so that the intrigue would remain until the last moment.
Although one or two times this could really be, but in the USA it is EVERY vote. This cannot be in reality, so that every time the voices are distributed exactly in half.
So in Poland they also decided to "count the votes".
MEAL'N'REAL ...

[mdsr]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

why don't you allow the thought that just as many people voted as announced?

By the way, about grades on VO. So I looked at the ratings of my previous comment, which I wrote at lunchtime. So, there is minus 13. Someone has registered a lot of new accounts and minuses them very intensively. However, due to the low rating of these new accounts, they cannot influence anything. Of course, if desired, it is very easy to send them to the eternal BAN. That's even Golovan sent to the bathhouse with both of his general accounts . Now he sits with a new account, in an average rank. Bye sitting And this little thing that minuses me, let it grow up a bit. The more offensive it will be to them to go to the eternal bath

[babylon]

do you have a complaint? please provide facts

[military_cat]

I have a complaint. Have you seen the turnout distribution graph for zeroing? There are peaks sticking out at "round" percentages. This means one of two options: 1) either people who come to the polling stations in an incomprehensible way self-organize so that their share of the payroll tends to be multiples of 5% 2) or in a large number of polling stations no one even counts the ballots, but simply draws the final result without really caring to make the distribution look believable.

It would be interesting to know how it happened.

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[babylon]

These are not facts, but speculation.

[military_cat]

Quote: vavilon

These are not facts, but speculation.

God's dew, I would even say.

[Incvizitor]

It doesn’t matter who wins, all the same there were and will be a Fashington colony and the president is behind a puddle.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Incvizitor

It doesn’t matter who wins, all the same there were and will be a Fashington colony and the president is behind a puddle.

At first glance, but there is a difference. Supporters of trump or globalists. You can negotiate with Trump, never with the globals. Yes, and the Phishington hosts in the fall close to rediscount ......

[paul3390]

Whoever wins - it will still be an agent of Moscow .. Well - as the Polish owners instituted ..

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Graz

give Maidan, well, or Rokos, if in the Polish manner

Shaw, again, and do you need these lace panties?
If there is a Maidan in Poland, then the Americans will leave their thousand in Germany. The ideological leadership in the EU will remain with Germany. SP-2 for Poland will lose relevance, but the need for cookies will increase. And with the EU, a lot of money will be required. Programs to strengthen the armed forces will be bent, and police funding will increase. All this is gut.
The ruin should put its consultants and teach the Poles that Krakow is an old Cossack city, because Taras Bulba fought under it.

[Pravodel]

"In any case, the warming of relations between Moscow and Warsaw is not expected in the near future."
Russia, for sure, does not expect. Poles from the time of the Catholicization have always been hostile to Russia. They cease to be such only when Poland is divided: you cannot erase words from the history. Yes, and then, as soon as possible shoot in the back ....

[Undecim]

They met the Poles in 966. And in 988, Vladimir Svyatoslavich took away Cherven cities from Poland.

[Altona]

Quote: The Truth

Poles from the time of the Catholicization have always been hostile to Russia.

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So what? Should Poland be "Catholicized"? Such criteria of "hostility" are straightforward that one wonders. Poland is simply a classic buffer between Germany and Russia, and this is its usual reaction to the imperialism of its neighbors, whether it is imaginary or real. Moreover, several partitions of Poland contribute to this. These sentiments are supported by France and England, allegedly standing up for Poland in international affairs.

[Pravodel]

Dear Eugene, the question is not in the buffer between Germany and Russia, but in the politics of Poland, which since the 14th century. tried to be holier than the pope. First of all, I recall that Germany as a single state was formed only at the end of the 19th century. under Bismarck. With this in mind, Poland could not have been a buffer between Germany and Russia since the 13th century. before the beginning of the 20th century
2. Recalling the striving of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth to build Poland from “Mozha to Mozha”, it immediately becomes clear that there is no need to talk about any imperialism of its neighbors, who are “constantly putting a spoke in Poland’s wheels”. This - Poland constantly claimed the lands of the adjacent principalities and states. That, in fact, served as the basis for its division. Remembering the last partition of Poland. Before that, Poland in the 20s seized Galicia and the western regions of Belarus, which did not belong to it, at the end of the 30s. - a part of Czechoslovakia, and it immediately becomes clear why Poland was divided every time by the neighbors. This was the only way to pacify Poland's imperial territorial claims in its quest to build a Greater Poland from "Mozha to Mozha".
Not the neighbors are to blame for the partition of Poland, but Poland is to blame. It was the hostile policy of Poland towards its neighbors that always led to its division.

[Altona]

Quote: The Truth

Dear Eugene, the question is not in the buffer between Germany and Russia, but in politics

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I am talking only about new and recent history, where the German state has already taken shape. Poland is still a Catholic country. As for the imperialism of Poland itself, why can Russia and Germany acquire territories, while Poland cannot? Germany and I are conditionally big predators in the eyes of Poland, Poland is a smaller predator in our eyes. I have not yet mentioned Austria-Hungary, a part of which you mentioned in the form of Czechoslovakia. Probably in the minds of the Polish elite there is a fetish of the empire "from Mozha to Mozha", only there are no resources for its implementation and never were. And the Anglo-Saxon friends provided only "moral support" and used their ambitions to their advantage.

[Pravodel]

Dear Eugene, your message about Russia is not entirely clear. Russia acquired all of its land not through colonial seizures and robbery of neighbors, but through land annexation and their integration into Russia. At the same time, Russia, considering the annexed lands as its original, Russian, rightfully owned by it, has never destroyed the population of the annexed lands. So it was in the period before Mongolian Rus, in the Middle Ages, when the Siberian, Kazan, and Astrakhan khanates joined, so it was in later times, when Tavria, Crimea, the Caucasus, Wallachia, etc. joined. Moreover, when Peter defeated the Swedes, he generally bought the land of the modern Baltic from the Swedish king. Moreover, the Balts themselves have never been destroyed. Similarly, with Finland.
A completely different situation with Poland. After the formation of the Commonwealth, the forcible crossover of the Orthodox into Catholics began. At the same time, the Poles themselves looked at the Orthodox as the animals with which they poke. As a result, in the lands of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with the living of the Orthodox population, uprisings constantly broke out, which were brutally suppressed by the Poles. Orthodox Posmolitas constantly asked Moscow to accept their citizenship. The last letter of B. Khmelnitsky to sovereign Alexei Mikhailovich even ended in the threat that if the sovereign did not accept them as a citizen, then B. Khmelnitsky would go on a campaign in Moscow to force the Orthodox into Russian citizenship.
Such is the difference in the imperialism of Russia and Poland.
Therefore, regarding imperialism and the one who wanted and wants to capture, it is better not to refer to Poland, which sleeps and sees itself as the ruler of all Russian lands.

[Altona]

Quote: The Truth

Dear Eugene, your message about Russia is not entirely clear. Russia did not acquire all of its land through colonial seizures and robbery of neighbors

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You seem to be writing in plain text how it is viewed in their historical ethics, but you are persistently trying to prove something to me with a bad retelling of historical events. At the same time, buckling on Catholicism. There is Catholicism in China, there is in Cuba and in general in Latin America. Poland's hostility stems from the hostility of its elites, which are historically nurtured in the West. And for some reason in your country everything comes from the paradigm "we feed them, and they draw figwams for us."

[Pravodel]

Here, nothing of the sort: feeding to Poland’s hostility towards Russia has nothing to do with it at all.
1. Sorry, but the historical chronology of relations between Russia and Poland is a very special story, which does not make sense here to understand.
2. Catholicism is indeed a widespread religion, but in China it is not the main religion, and Cuba and Latin America have no territorial claims to Russia at all.
3. In any state, they always rule, rule the elites. If the state has the power of the crowd or the lower classes, then we have Somalia or something worse, as, for example, is the case now in the USA. Therefore, considering the hostility of one state or another, interstate relations, these relations are always perceived through the prism of the ruling class.
4. I agree with your remark that the hostility of Poland is not to a small degree supported by its friends in the west. But, it is essential that this hostility rests entirely on the historical memory of Poland itself: on its confrontation, the confrontation of Russia, in which it lost and will lose in the future.
For example, in Serbia, historical memory is friendship with Russia, in Bulgaria, in spite of historical memory, friendship with Russia, Bulgaria itself does not have a very friendly policy towards Russia, and 2 world wars fought against Russia. As soon as Bulgaria’s pumping of friends from the West disappears, Bulgaria will certainly establish friendly relations with Russia, this friendship exists among the people. It is a different matter with Poland, even if friends from the West do not pump Poland, Poland will still confront Russia, it is laid down in it at the level of the people themselves, with all its history.

[Altona]

Quote: The Truth

Russia acquired all of its land not through colonial seizures and robbery of neighbors, but through land annexation and their integration into Russia.

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An elegant message of course. The Russian empire was not an empire. The Russo-Japanese War in 1905 was then fought for? What a fig then in 1914 flooded to the war? It was for this that everything was done, for the conquest of new lands, like "to save the Serbian brothers", but in the end "the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles are needed." And how you call it, it's your own business. Poles act in their own logic and they act on your "truthful" opinion from the high bell tower. And when evaluating some reality, evaluate both sides. The Poles will throw at you the Polish uprising, Tukhachevsky's campaign against Warsaw in 1920, the notorious Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Warsaw Uprising. At the same time, they will omit their sins.

[Pravodel]

Aristotle also said: do not multiply entities. Therefore, avoiding the main thesis put forward is an attempt to leave, to escape from the obvious incongruity of what you said earlier. In this regard, I remind you of your main thesis in defense of the Poles:
"Such criteria of" hostility "are direct that one is amazed. Poland is simply a classic buffer between Germany and Russia, and this is its usual reaction to the imperialism of its neighbors"
It follows from what you said that the zoological Russophobia of the Poles is the result of imperialism — your neologism — of your neighbors: Russia and Germany.
But let me remind you:
1. Russophobia of the Poles began long before the formation of a united Germany and the Russian Empire. Therefore, your thesis about the hostility of the Poles because of the imperialism of their neighbors does not hold water.
2. For your information:. As I said earlier, Russophobia of the Poles is the result of Catholicization of Poland. In this regard, I will explain to you that until 1054 the Christian church was one. Since 1054, the Christian Church has split into Catholic and Orthodox. The reason for the split is the pope’s attempt to extend its influence to the Orthodox parishes of the Eastern Christian church - Byzantium. This distribution in science is called proselytism. In 1054, Catholics and Orthodox Christians anathematized each other, and since then Catholics considered the Orthodox as heretics to be destroyed. Therefore, when the expansion of Catholics to the east began - the eastern regions of Europe, the entire population was christened as Catholics, and those who did not want to move on to do this were simply destroyed. A similar situation was in Poland - the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, where the Orthodox were considered as animals with all the ensuing consequences. If we add here the loss of Poland - the Commonwealth of Moscow for influence in the east, then the sources of zoological Russophobia of the Poles immediately become clear.
3. Advice. If you are going to speak out about some historical fact, facts, then I strongly recommend that you familiarize yourself with the history of Russia and world history in a volume exceeding the volume of the curriculum, and at least read works on the history of Russia, for example, Klyuchevsky, Karamzin, Tatishchev Solovyov, etc. And then your theses and the defense of your theses are presented by the dialogue of an undereducated first-year student or student who was kicked out of the university for laziness and absenteeism.
This is where I end. Because the subject of discussion has been exhausted and there is no point in continuing.

[Civil]

. Poland is simply a classic buffer between Germany and Russia,

No, I understand that the buffer was needed in the 15-19 centuries, so that the population did not run away to Europe, now why the buffer with Germany? All the same, a hard visa barrier. Or will the Germans run to us?

[Altona]

Quote: Civil

Now why the buffer with Germany?

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What do you mean why? To serve Anglo-Saxon interests.

[hagen]

Quote: Altona

So what? Should Poland be "Catholicized"? Such criteria of "hostility" are straightforward that one wonders.

It so happened that the border with the hostile environment of Russia in this case coincided with the border between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. And Catholics staged repeated trips to Russia with the aim of planting the Catholic religion.

Quote: Altona

Moreover, several sections of Poland contribute to this.

Actually, like the burning of Moscow and the participation of the Poles in the coalition of hostile troops during both Russian wars. And many other conflicts. But this is bad luck - we saved the Poles from complete liquidation and handed the country over to them, and even fed them when we ourselves had nothing to eat. The Poles did not reciprocate .... So there is no need to unkatolitchevat Poland, it would be better vaasche ..... "under the asphalt" roll up. Everyone would be calmer ...

[Altona]

Quote: Hagen

But this is bad luck - we are the Poles, and at the same time, we were saved from complete liquidation and the country was handed over to them

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So what? In their ethics, you don't have to be forever grateful for this. And “they saved the country,” this is easily attributed to Churchill, who discussed this in Yalta with Stalin.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: The Truth

Poles from the time of the Catholicization have always been hostile to Russia.

That's right. It is from the Vatican that stench goes all over our land. In WWI, Civil, WWII, disaster, everywhere noted.

[voyaka uh]

In Israel, too, usually the gap between parties and party blocs is 1-2 percent. Until the very end it is not clear who will win

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

Until the very end it is not clear who will win

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Your tote probably works well for you.

[iouris]

Is it clear after the end?

[Revival]

Here, and you do not know how to organize the elections correctly))

[babylon]

Everything is clear with Israel, there are only Jews there, they don’t let out strangers, although they themselves climb into power everywhere in all countries

[Vladimir_6]

For Russia, the situation with the election of the Polish president is such that in any case, a warming of relations between Moscow and Warsaw is not expected in the near future.

Interestingly, in Poland, Russia interfered in the elections, or did the Poles not receive such an honor?

[vadson]

don’t prompt, otherwise one of the candidates under this pretext will depress the opponent from ten percent, and again we will be to blame

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: vadson

don’t prompt, otherwise one of the candidates under this pretext will depress the opponent from ten percent, and again we will be to blame

They are not required to prompt. Accusing Russia of interfering in the elections is already the norm.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Vladimir_6

Poles did not receive such an honor?

Now it’s more logical for Russia to act within the framework of international law and do not recognize any election results in countries with Russophobic regimes, followed by a break in diplomatic relations. What is the use if, despite the embargo on Polish apples, oil and gas continue to flow to Europe through the longest Polish pipelines.

[Sergey39]

Quote: Vita VKO

despite the embargo on polish apples

They also continue to enter the Russian market. In Kaliningrad, they are full.

[Vladimir_6]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: Vladimir_6

Poles did not receive such an honor?

Now it’s more logical for Russia to act within the framework of international law and do not recognize any election results in countries with Russophobic regimes, followed by a break in diplomatic relations. What is the use if, despite the embargo on Polish apples, oil and gas continue to flow to Europe through the longest Polish pipelines.

So it is only the yard boys who can decisively break off relations. In geopolitics, serious "guys" plan everything for the future.
There is enough information about the fact that Russophobian regimes are losing. Below are just a couple of examples.


The destruction of Russophobic regimes is necessary not by breaking off diplomatic relations, but by increasing the economic power of Russia.

[rotmistr60]

0,8-0,9 percent ahead of its competitor, the mayor of Warsaw, Rafal Trzaskowski

Although Duda had already invited his competitor to the residence to shake hands and admit defeat, he refused to say that it was early. Apparently the buoys after the announcement of the results can not be avoided. We'll see.

[K-612-O]

We would have shouted that everything is falsified and down with the red

[antivirus]

in the event of a warming of relations between Moscow and Warsaw, one should not expect in the near future.

-Warming is dangerous for permafrost, while the Russian economy is based on raw materials. switch to dr growth drivers (ha ha) will require dr climate

[askort154]

An ardent Russophobe remained in the chair. Over the next term, it will completely drag American bases to Poland,
to make her the leading hyena in Europe against Russia.

[Altona]

Quote: askort154

Over the next term, it will completely drag American bases to Poland

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The American military doctrine that Trump is pushing, on the contrary, suggests reducing a purely military presence. Hybrid forms destroy states more effectively than purely military methods. The naked soldier works well only among conditional savages.

[askort154]

Altona ..... The American military doctrine, which Trump is pushing, suggests on the contrary, to reduce the purely military presence.

Duda is strenuously "luring" American bases into Polish territory.
He offered 2 billion to build a new base and transfer from Germany. In addition, purchase from the United States: 30-35 F-35, UAV squadron MQ-9,
place missile defense, etc. This US military base, Duda suggested calling
"Fort Trump". All this was announced at a joint press conference between Trump and Duda on 13. At the same time, Duda openly stated that Poland should become
the main counterweight in Europe to aggressive Russia.

[Altona]

Quote: askort154

Duda is strenuously "luring" American bases into Polish territory.
He offered 2 billion to build a new base and transfer from Germany.

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It is more like a business project to further service this base: catering, infrastructure, rent, affordable women for staff.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: askort154

He offered 2 billion to build a new base and transfer from Germany. In addition, purchase from the United States: 30-35 F-35, UAV squadron MQ-9,
place missile defense, etc.

Iiiii? ..... Trump cuts costs for the USA. As long as Poland has money from the EU, it will spend it on the war. And the EU will run out of money ..... Trump will leave Europe.

[Stalllker]

And what kind of war does Poland have ???

[Poetry]

A hyena will never be a lion. Whatever they choose.

[Thrifty]

We don't give a damn who of the Russophobes there will be brought to power by the "democratic" hand of the State Department!

[Revival]

They don’t know how to conduct elections correctly ...

[Courier]

60 years kept under Soviet occupation, but Poland is bad anyway.

And yes, this is not an occupation, here the American troops in Germany is an occupation, and the Soviet troops in Poland, this is not an occupation.

[iouris]

Soviet troops in Poland are not an occupation, but "the results of WWII."

[APASUS]

I don’t understand why we need to know the results of the struggle for the chair of the main Russophobe of Europe?

[Nikolai Petrov]

No intrigue from the "pre-war hyena of Europe" (Churchill's words about the hyena). They will remain as people with reduced social responsibility. Ask how many Poles were in the Wehrmacht.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Ask how many Poles were in the Wehrmacht.

[Xenofont]

The confrontation between the competing teams will result in a noisy rally with a light squabble of ideologically close speakers, but very soon all the participants will get slogans, like: "Down with the Russian occupants!" and "We demand reparations in a trillion dollars" and here there will already be a massive catharsis.

[Mountain shooter]

Suspicions are eating! Will there be a manual recount? Such a split is somehow unexpected ... for Poland. Well, how will young people not want to recognize Dudu for another term? 3 round will appoint? And what? Quite an option.

[Kuzmitsky]

They will not want to admit, the third round ... Somewhere I have already seen all this before. Some deja vu.

[Kibl]

Well, nothing supernatural happened here, Duda will continue to blow his cheap play, score and all notes are written by overseas authors.

[Stalllker]

Trump in a leather pipe

[Stalllker]

If Duda won 50,4 percent of the vote, then his opponent had 49,6 percent.... why exactly 49,6 ?! And no less ... What a strange logic to calculate the percentage of elections

[Constanty]

For Russia, the situation with the election of the Polish president is such that in any case, a warming of relations between Moscow and Warsaw is not expected in the near future.

and this is a shame. We would benefit from good relations - both Russians and Poles. Only others benefit from the bad relations between our countries. I'm sorry