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In Kiev, they wanted to attract the United States and Great Britain to the negotiations on the Donbass

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In Kiev, they wanted to attract the United States and Great Britain to the negotiations on the Donbass

Kiev intends to attract the United States and Great Britain to the Minsk and Norman formats of negotiations on the Donbass. This was announced on the television channel "Ukraine-24" by the Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine, deputy head of the delegation of Kiev in the Contact Group for the Donbass, Alexei Reznikov.


Reznikov said that Ukraine hopes to bring the United States and Great Britain to negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass, as well as in Kiev, hoping for financial and technical assistance from Washington and London.

We are definitely interested in that the dialogue that is being conducted today with the Russian Federation with the help of the OSCE in the Minsk format and in the Norman format with the help of the leaders of Germany and France, could be expanded with the participation of Britain and the USA at least

- Reznikov said, adding that "relevant consultations" are underway on this topic.

In addition, according to Reznikov, Kiev intends to "modernize" the Minsk agreements, since "the implementation of certain points of the agreement is unacceptable for Kiev." As an example, he cited several points of agreements that Kiev is not going to implement: first, Donbass will not receive any special status; secondly, Kiev does not intend to hold elections in the Donbass until it has full control over the border with Russia, etc.

Kiev is sure that France and Germany support them in this, said Reznikov.

Earlier, the Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine said that the Minsk agreements are no longer relevant, as "do not correspond to reality."


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  1. Eldorado
    Eldorado 13 July 2020 10: 06 New
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    I have only one question? What did these people forget there? am
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 13 July 2020 10: 21 New
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      Quote: El Dorado
      What did these people forget there?

      Nothing, all the rules. It stuck in 404 - we’ve already gone to the third round. This especially delivered:
      could be expanded with the participation of Britain and the USA least
      As an option, to call the Colombian drug lords and African leaders - will become a rag. In general, they are no longer even encrypted:
      As an example, he cited several points of agreements that Kiev is not going to implement: first, Donbass will not receive any special status; secondly, Kiev does not intend to hold elections in the Donbass until it has full control over the border with Russia, etc.
      Thus, they said goodbye to Donbass. All that remains is "shit in the end and get out".
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 13 July 2020 10: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Thus, they said goodbye to Donbass. It remains only to "shit at last and get away".

        Yes, they can not - the Kiev junta - get away from the Donbass - their masters from Washington and London do not order it!
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 13 July 2020 10: 53 New
          +6
          Quote: Tatiana
          Yes they can’t -

          Well, for now. yes hi
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 13 July 2020 11: 22 New
            +3
            Kiev invites Washington and London to the decision of the Minsk talks on the Donbass exclusively for the legalization by Ukraine of the world community of the decision on the status of the DPR and LPR by the MILITARY route.
            At the same time, Kiev will manipulate the interests of Washington and London in the South-East of Ukraine by the example of the separation of Crimea from Ukraine from Russia.

            At the same time, Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of the Ukrainian Council for National Security and Defense, admitted that Ukraine does not go for a "military return" of Crimea only for fear of a large number of victims, and if Kiev "had the opportunity to take these territories", he would do it.
            "Crimea is a territory for Kiev, and it is needed without people, because the" civilian population "does not want and will resist, accordingly, it will be destroyed"

            The same attitude of Kiev to residents of the DLNR.
            Those. Kiev, the territory of the DLNR is also needed without their inhabitants.

            In other words, Kiev does not just need the permission of the world community to go to war, but also needs strong and influential allies in the war on this issue.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 13 July 2020 12: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Kiev also needs the territory of the DLNR without its inhabitants. Strong and influential allies in the war on this issue are also needed.

              But this is their trouble, because no one will fit into the open - neither mattresses, nor even their most repulsed henchmen, such as Poland, will dare to support this Nazi garbage. So, they’ll throw a thread on poverty, and that’s it.
              1. Machito
                Machito 13 July 2020 14: 34 New
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                Kiev openly declares that it does not intend to comply with the Minsk agreements. Only the operation to force peace and liquidate the Euro-fascists of Ukrovermaht in boilers will bring peace to the Donbass.
        2. Pathos
          Pathos 13 July 2020 11: 59 New
          +2
          All right, the loot has already been invested in shale garbage to beat grandmas how? And the fuss will continue indefinitely.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 13 July 2020 10: 55 New
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        agreements that Kiev is not going to implement: firstly, Donbass will not receive any special status; secondly, Kiev does not intend to hold elections in the Donbass


        - while we recognize the outskirts within its borders in 2015, we can open the hunting season for the following regions beyond Crimea
      3. Evdokim
        Evdokim 13 July 2020 11: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        As an option, call Colombian drug lords and African leaders

        Right They will sit at the table, the USA, Great Britain and Ukraine, and how they will begin to talk. I understand they will agree, and with whom? And what about? Between themselves, about the next loan? Maybe.
        PS As GDP used to say, negotiating with Ukraine is like shaving a pig, a lot of screeching, little wool. hi
      4. iConst
        iConst 13 July 2020 14: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Thus, they said goodbye to Donbass. It remains only to "shit at last and get away".

        I see this as a dangerous trend: Paris and Berlin are clearly against a forceful solution to the problem, although they are not eager to do everything in Minsk - otherwise, they would have been pushed for a long time. But the Naglosaks are not against military operations - this is indicated by the supply of lethal weapons.

        Hence the desire of Kiev to include them in this process.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 13 July 2020 14: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          Hence the desire of Kiev to include them in this process.

          Tellingly, Kiev's wishes are based on all sides. And the same mattresses do some kind of movement in that direction solely so that the "fire does not go out" near the borders of the Russian Federation, and nothing more.
    2. Vladimir_6
      Vladimir_6 13 July 2020 12: 26 New
      +1
      I have only one question? What did these people forget there?

      They have no time for Ukraine. In the United States, Comrade Trump is waging a war with the "Deep State", and Grandma Lizka needs to prepare for the extradition of the pedophile Prince Andrew at the request of the FBI.
      1. iConst
        iConst 13 July 2020 14: 36 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_6
        They have no time for Ukraine. In the United States, Comrade Trump is waging a war with the "Deep State", and Grandma Lizka needs to prepare for the extradition of the pedophile Prince Andrew at the request of the FBI.

        Yes, you said everything correctly, but we should not forget that Britain has centuries-old experience of the former empire allowing it to solve multivector tasks.
        With regards to the United States, this is also an empire. In addition, many departments have significant independence, which we observe in the grabs of Trump with the State Department and others, including law enforcement agencies.

        And although they themselves are unlikely to start something serious, they will be able to create conditions when Trump has nowhere to retreat. smile
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 July 2020 15: 55 New
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      laughing The key phrase here is "hope for ... financial assistance." We must rely on the help of the USA and England. And then their chickens do not peck money. hi
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 July 2020 10: 08 New
    +7
    In Kiev, they wanted to attract the United States and Great Britain to the negotiations on the Donbass
    This song is good, start over ...
    In Kiev, they want everything at once, but they DO NOT WANT to carry out the signed "Minsk agreements" ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 11: 06 New
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      Quote: svp67
      This song is good, start over.

      The song is the same, only the music is different.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 July 2020 11: 07 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        The song is the same, only the music is different.

        No, it's all the same, the "performers" were replaced, but it didn't add sound ...
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  4. Poetry
    Poetry 13 July 2020 10: 14 New
    +1
    When I was in school, there were some guys who were running after their older brother-verzil. As a result, nobody grew up.
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha 13 July 2020 11: 09 New
      +1
      As a result, nobody grew up.
      Do not tell me that in some fundamental issues Kiev has steel organs, unlike.
      "Pravosek" from the USA has a "watchtower" for murder. But Ukraine does not give him up to America, because he fought in the ATO https://strana.ua/articles/rassledovania/278123-krejh-lenh-kakie-naemniki-voevali-na-donbasse-.html
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 13 July 2020 11: 24 New
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        I just can’t open the link. The point is clear. They do not give out (punishers).
  5. boss
    boss 13 July 2020 10: 15 New
    +2
    Agreements and agreements seem to be necessary, but not discussed, changing formats, not ?!
  6. DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 13 July 2020 10: 19 New
    +3
    In Kiev, they wanted to attract the United States and Great Britain to the negotiations on the Donbass

    You can attract, and Ukraine to exclude from negotiations.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 11: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
      You can attract, and Ukraine to exclude from negotiations.

      It seems that everything goes to this. Like in the movie "Formula of Love" ...With my uncle, Stepan Stepanych, he replaced me with his father, our blacksmith - Why do we need a blacksmith? No, we don’t need a blacksmith.
      ..... "We do not need Ukraine."
  7. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 13 July 2020 10: 22 New
    +2
    It all comes down to one. Decide for us and give money. And more. And when we plunder them, give more. And preferably forgive the debt. Well, freeloaders we are in life.))
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 11: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: jncnfdybr
      Decide for us and give money.

      It turns out beautifully. You decide everything for us, but in return give us a lot of money. Well, businessmen from "404th"!
  8. Andrea
    Andrea 13 July 2020 10: 33 New
    +3
    Jump off does not work!
    Or in vain the three presidents almost every day spent one bit of a stub. France and Germany had their state dignity, even if they lowered them into the toilet, then Russia has this dignity in genes.
    At the meeting of representatives of the "Normandy Four" Svidomo was unequivocally warned ... France and Germany did not object.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 13 July 2020 10: 43 New
      +1
      Jump off does not work!

      So far, everything seems to be heading towards that. Ukraine openly declares that it will not implement the Minsk agreements (and not for the first time), probably received approval from senior partners for this. And Russian diplomacy simply turns a deaf ear to these statements, although it would be worth "trumpeting about it". They are still trying to "compel Russia to comply with the Minsk agreements," and they even impose sanctions for their failure.
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 13 July 2020 11: 04 New
        +2
        There in Svidomo not used to think ahead, at least for one move.
        Refusal of the Minsk agreements removes all obligations from LDNR and Russia with long-term consequences, as well as the opportunity to extend the sanctions, for which they are ready to tear their fifth point there.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 13 July 2020 11: 14 New
          +1
          There in Svidomo not used to think ahead, at least for one move.

          In fact, this move on their part is quite conscious and expected. In principle, they are not satisfied with the Minsk agreements, now they have begun to talk about it openly. And most likely I will repeat with the approval of one of the senior comrades. For example, someone preparing to take a comfortable chair in the White House.
          Refusal of the Minsk agreements removes all obligations from LDNR and Russia with long-term consequences

          I’m even afraid to ask with what such distant consequences?
          as well as the reason to extend sanctions disappears

          The reason may disappear, but the reason is definitely not. And the sanctions are not going anywhere. But this is precisely what needs to be played now at the diplomatic and informational level. Ukraine not only quietly sabotages Minsk, but in fact itself declares its rejection of these agreements. This must be used to the fullest!
  9. Kibl
    Kibl 13 July 2020 10: 39 New
    +3
    Another talking ass, why did he sneak out again. The question arises: didn’t they let them pose as idiots themselves?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 11: 20 New
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      Quote: KIBL
      . A question arises: didn’t they let them pose as idiots themselves?

      If, then not tired.
  10. lirik
    lirik 13 July 2020 10: 54 New
    +1
    Of course, they have even dreamed about this since 1991. Well, the patricians of the USA and England perceive these plebeians not as equal partners, but as in the Second World War the Nazis are traitors who are ready to work out for food, even with the loss of their territories, the sale of their women and their children. The abomination, born in 1991 of three scum, bred and gave a good offspring in the form of today's successful and quite prosperous nenko of Ukraine labeled with tattoos with swastika. From today's Khreshchatyk, the chestnuts that were burnt in 2014 and the infamous Mazepovsky yellow-blakporn ensign, who surrendered that Ukraine to the Swede, remained. So, gentlemen of the Nazis, are you closer to Hitler’s flag or a piece of the Swedish national flag? It seems you don't care what they pay.
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 July 2020 11: 03 New
    +1
    Reznikov said that Ukraine hopes to bring the United States and Great Britain to negotiations to resolve the conflict in the Donbass, as well as in Kiev, hoping for financial and technical assistance from Washington and London.
    Where the United States and Britain stick their nose, wait for a doddle.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 July 2020 11: 06 New
    +1
    Tighten Washington and London to support Ukrainian bloomers and of course the main thing
    Kiev hopes for financial and technical assistance from Washington and London.
    Probably they think that today the help is not being provided as we would like. Regarding "modernization", impudence can be considered a direct rejection of the agreements signed earlier. In a word, they woke up, got stronger and began to pump the rights. Ukrainian Wishlist are growing every day.
  13. Cristall
    Cristall 13 July 2020 11: 10 New
    -13 qualifying.
    Any topic burns with "brotherly love"
    everyone considers it his duty to kick, insult, and pervert.
    But at the same time everyone says that it is the Ukrainians who "do not like" them.
    Well, yes, then we are insulting you, perverting, kicking ..
    Here, even for the facts they ban and award warnings.
    And if you start writing in such a style as here only in the Russian Federation - then the ban will be right away.
    And about Ukraine you can. It is welcome.
    Failed policy of the site, on political topics to destroy all not "hurray patriotic" clientele.
    As a result, from a professional we roll into an amateur one, and there it is not far to yellow.
    Is it really so difficult to conduct normal (I no longer stutter about neutral) administration of comments.
    Ukrainian subjects are generally created for the emotional outburst of all the negative.
    Something like a heading-Express everything in your soul.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 13 July 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    If you need to destroy the Minsk agreements, then you just need to invite the United States and Great Britain. We also need to invite Abkhazia and South Ossetia
  15. orionvitt
    orionvitt 13 July 2020 11: 50 New
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    also in Kiev they hope for financial and technical assistance from Washington and London
    So they would have said so right away if they had dragged the Minsk agreements here. We don't know Ukraine. For any reason, "give me a penny." As for Minsk, the entire West (including Trump) has clearly said that there are agreements, and they should be implemented. But there is such a quirk, knowing the attitude of the West to the signed agreements, anything can happen.
  16. u4iy
    u4iy 13 July 2020 12: 16 New
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    Then it’s still for the kit to attract China and Mongolia!
  17. Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 13 July 2020 12: 37 New
    +1
    I don’t understand ... WHY to propose to discuss 1001 phantom unrealizable wishes of the Jews of the Great Ukrainian? It seems that all the NEW news is over. And we are offered OLD news in a new wrapper-interpretation
    Either someone washed down, or his head was baked heavily. Tormented by a headache.
  18. iouris
    iouris 13 July 2020 14: 01 New
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    The United States and the United Kingdom, and so on, are independent of anyone else's wishes. You just have to open your eyes.
  19. iConst
    iConst 13 July 2020 14: 02 New
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    Kiev is sure that France and Germany support them in this, said Reznikov.
    - Funny phrase. It turns out - Berlin and Paris support them, but they don’t talk about it.
    If we even assume that they secretly support it, then why then even support for the arrogant Saxons, if everything is so chocolate. Somehow it doesn’t grow together ...
  20. ioan-e
    ioan-e 13 July 2020 15: 16 New
    0
    I propose to end the Minsk agreements once and for all by dividing Ukraine!
  21. fa2998
    fa2998 13 July 2020 17: 40 New
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    But what, Britain conquered the Donbass? If not, then let's invite, for example, Papua New Guinea. laughing
  22. Georg21
    Georg21 13 July 2020 18: 11 New
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    Kiev has long needed a good batch of janitors .... they have guessed the country so that it takes twenty years to rake ...
  23. Georg21
    Georg21 13 July 2020 18: 18 New
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    Quote: ioan-e
    I propose to end the Minsk agreements once and for all by dividing Ukraine!

    I approve. Only it would be better if they did it in the 14th ... many lives would have been saved.
  24. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 13 July 2020 19: 32 New
    0
    I would recommend involving the Cuban, Venezuelan, Syrian and damn Bolivian comrades in the event. It may even be Nicaraguan (but this is not accurate).
  25. Rimin
    Rimin 14 July 2020 08: 52 New
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    And what will this give Kiev? It is useless to put pressure on Russia. For Russia, the authority of the United States and England as an empty place.