Russian airborne nuclear forces squeeze everything out of veteran aircraft - Chinese media

The basis of the Russian strategic aviation still make up the Tu-95 bombers, developed back in the 50s of the last century. We have to use the potential of these "experienced warriors", because replacing them with more modern aircraft is very difficult.

That’s how Tang Jun argues in his article published by the Chinese publication The Paper.

Although Russia is actively developing its new PAK DA strategic bomber, financial difficulties will not allow this to be done quickly. According to the Chinese author, after the annexation of Crimea and the imposition of sanctions by the West against the Russian Federation, its economic development slowed significantly. And since of the three components of the nuclear triad - land, sea and air-based means - the latter are of the least importance, money for their modernization is allocated according to the residual principle. Therefore, it is necessary to squeeze out of the "veterans" everything that they are capable of.

When the Soviet strategic aviation was created, the main means of delivering nuclear weapons were bombers, which could fly up to the target and drop an atomic bomb. Now this is not necessary, because ballistic missiles have appeared.

Tang Jun, recalling the long history the development of the Russian Su-57 fighter, it is doubtful that the PAK DA bomber will ever enter the troops. Most likely, the Tu-95 will be replaced by improved Tu-160M2. The Russian Ministry of Defense plans to start mass production of these aircraft and produce 3-4 units each year. In total, it is planned to create 50 Tu-160M2. This amount will be more than enough to replace the veteran of Russian strategic aviation - the Tu-95 bomber.

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[svp67]

In total, it is planned to create 50 Tu-160M2. This amount will be more than enough to replace the veteran of Russian strategic aviation - the Tu-95 bomber.

The Chinese have their own opinion, but I think that these planes do not replace, but complement each other. And Tu-95 is not so old as our "partners" are trying to show. Yet they were still produced in the 80s of the 20th century. The PAK-DA should become a full-fledged replacement for the "bear". But this is a "must", and here is how it will "turn out" - let's see

[NIKN]

squeeze everything out of veteran planes - Chinese media

Look who's Talking. I won’t even find words, how many of them have the same Tu 16 of their spill. And the An-12 in its own modification?

[Cyril G ...]

The authors are illiterate - Tu-95MS was created on the basis of the anti-submarine Tu-142 and went into production after 1983. Produced until 92 or 94 years.
They would have remembered better that they themselves fly on a Tu-16 to this day, and the Americans have the freshest B-52, which will serve as a minimum until the 40th year - built in 1962.

[igor67]

Quote: svp67

In total, it is planned to create 50 Tu-160M2. This amount will be more than enough to replace the veteran of Russian strategic aviation - the Tu-95 bomber.

The Chinese have their own opinion, but I think that these planes do not replace, but complement each other. And Tu-95 is not so old as our "partners" are trying to show. Yet they were still produced in the 80s of the 20th century. The PAK-DA should become a full-fledged replacement for the "bear". But this is a "must", and here is how it will "turn out" - let's see

The carcasses from Ukraine were new, just before the collapse of the Union they drove from Kuybyshev to Uzin, that’s the whole raid, before the transfer of them to Russia, the engines and propellers did the routine work, we have a repair shop

[orionvitt]

Quote: igor67

Carcasses from Ukraine were new

I remember the plot on Ukrainian TV, twenty years ago, when the new TU-160s were cut down, with a 30-40 hour flight, at the airport in Poltava. The American military, controlling this action, was frankly happy. Old colonels, veteran pilots (Ukrainian, or simply Soviet) did not hide their tears. When new planes of this class were barbarously chopped by a guillotine. As for those that were saved from Ukraine, inappropriate storage sometimes causes more damage to the aircraft than active operation.

[igor67]

Quote: orionvitt

, sometimes causes greater damage to the aircraft than active operation.

these machines went through routine maintenance, so that they were in excellent condition, and communicated with drugs, they were still hoping to fly, but politicians, that Kuchma, that Yeltsin, eight thousand Ukraine transferred to Russia,

[orionvitt]

Quote: igor67

these machines went through routine maintenance, so they were in excellent condition

Nothing like this. Then a group of technicians arrived from Russia who, with grief in half, not in one day, prepared the machines for the flight. And then, already in Russia, they (aircraft) underwent a thorough repair, as they were far from in the best condition. Because of this, Ukraine gave them away because it could not contain and support such complex, perfect and expensive equipment. .It is good that Russia managed to snatch at least eight cars before destruction. Tu-22M, so generally they cut everything.

[Iline]

What kind of rembase is this? In the White Church? Something tells me that by the 99th year, only the corps remained from it.
In Uzin, we assessed the condition of aircraft not yet chopped up on American equipment in April. Three aircraft 90 - 91 were selected. release. And then from May to December, with short interruptions to replace personnel, they brought them to mind on their own. There was a complete collapse with the materiel, not to mention routine maintenance, seasonal maintenance and other types of work. And who would do all this if the commander of the unit was an engineer, and he had subordinates both former submariners, and former tankmen, etc. And on the wall in his office was a schedule for the destruction of these aircraft.

[igor67]

Quote: Iline

What kind of rembase is this? In the White Church? Something tells me that by the 99th year, only the corps remained from it.
In Uzin, we assessed the condition of aircraft not yet chopped up on American equipment in April. Three aircraft 90 - 91 were selected. release. And then from May to December, with short interruptions to replace personnel, they brought them to mind on their own. There was a complete collapse with the materiel, not to mention routine maintenance, seasonal maintenance and other types of work. And who would do all this if the commander of the unit was an engineer, and he had subordinates both former submariners, and former tankmen, etc. And on the wall in his office was a schedule for the destruction of these aircraft.

Engines were repaired from the end of the 50s in Konotop, military unit No. 21653, the cars themselves seem to be in Nikolaev, together with the Kuibyshev engineers we developed a repair technology, overhaul, the cars transferred to Russia did not need capital, they were new, the engines were dismantled, assembled, spilled and to test, then to the product.

[Iline]

I get it. Under the Union, the aircraft themselves were repaired in the White Church. Then everything changed

[A1845]

at the same time, they themselves are not far from the Tu-16,

[Poetry]

It was not possible to shy down, therefore, they stomp on the spot.

[Poetry]

Don’t worry about us, Comrade Sun-Wyn. Take care of yourself.

[bar]

We have to use the potential of these "experienced warriors", because replacing them with more modern aircraft is very difficult.
That’s how Tang Jun argues in his article published by the Chinese publication The Paper.

The Chinese are "lucky" in this sense, they simply have nothing to replace. Everything has to be done from scratch, and there business just start and end.
So let them envy silently. Tu-95, though old, but it is. But what to contrast the Chinese with no less than the ancient B-52, this is a question.

[fider]

The Chinese are worried about the Russians, Russians about the Americans. And things are still there.

[Per se.]

Quote: bar

But what to contrast the Chinese with no less than the ancient B-52, this is a question.

So, the latest Tu-16 modernization in China was adopted in 2011 (Xian H-6K), so far, in fact, there is nothing more to oppose.

Another thing is that the Chinese can not build them piece by piece, as we have, and they can clone anything very quickly. We do not succeed very much (PAK-YES can become another protracted construction here), and if that happens, they immediately look for partners for joint development or declare a sale for export, as the latest news on T-14. The Soviet margin of safety ends, old people with excellent Soviet education leave, and there is little sense in the generated army of lawyers and economists, as well as on new shopping centers instead of factories. Here, our buy-sell and sell natural raw materials and Soviet military achievements, therefore, the Chinese have something to mock at our heart's content.

[Johann Klassen]

Yes, but the PRC has bitten off a "piece of the pie" from the Soviet Union, and a considerable one.
And "otherwise", it is not known what the Chinese could create "on their own"?
If the PRC has money, then "high technology" is a "high price"!
What China is doing today is walking on the spot.
But it is thanks to the Soviet Union that "Chinese civilization" exists in its present form.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Johann Klassen

But it is thanks to the Soviet Union that "Chinese civilization" exists in its present form.

Thanks not only to the Soviet Union, but to a large extent to American money, technology, production, located in China and access to markets.

[Ingenegr]

The important thing is not who started first. It is important who will be the first at the finish.

[Tank jacket]

"According to the Chinese author, after the annexation of Crimea and the introduction of sanctions by the West against the Russian Federation, its economic development slowed down significantly."

Sanctions are in fifth place in terms of impact on the economy ...
In the first place is a ban from the IMF on investments in rubles, an IMF ban on restricting capital withdrawals, an IMF ban on restricting currency speculation, then a Central Bank credit and monetary policy (hi Nabiullina), financial policy (hi Siluanova), tax policy.

[NordUral]

In the first place - a ban from the IMF on investments in rubles

This is the main thing after the thieves' power itself. She is not able to rule our country, even wanting, foolishly, to do it. But she has no desire to develop the country. One imitation of activities to cover the destruction of the remnants of the Soviet.

[Tank jacket]

Foreign and domestic policy may be familiar to you. And global politics and supranational governance, judging by your comment, no. "Many things are incomprehensible to us, not because our concepts are weak, but because these things are not included in the range of our concepts" (c)

[NordUral]

I don’t understand a lot of things, Ruslan. But one thing is certain for sure - our country had a time of true government in the interests of the people. And the fact that this must be returned, of course, that given the time taken since those great years.
And do not be clever, not impressive.

[Tank jacket]

"And no need to be clever, not impressive."
He just pointed out that the Chinese author is wrong when he writes that sanctions are the reason # 1.
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"Our country had a time of true government in the interests of the people."
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I suspect Stalin ..., well, he didn’t have it right away, but only after 37 years and with ideology. And he didn’t get involved in the IMF (supranational governance), like we did in 1991.

[NordUral]

Something about the Chinese, I did not realize with a snap. And I agree with you, it’s not a matter of sanctions. According to Stalin, our thoughts coincide.

[lyrics]

Well, if we talk about Chinese Tu-16s, it would be better for them to modestly keep silent about our strategic bombers, which China does not have and is not expected in the near future. It is quite possible that thanks to our forces, China is developing calmly and actively, without fear of receiving a "bo-bo" from the United States.

[rotmistr60]

In a strange eye, a straw is more visible than a log in its own. This is me about the Chinese strategic aviation park. Too often, Chinese analysts have turned to Russian issues recently and this is no accident.
It’s hard not to answer about the sanctions. Soon, China will feel them on itself in full, as the Americans are a rod with a drill. And flirting with the United States will not help.

[Reserve buildbat]

Another "expert" opinion sucked out of the finger. The Chinese, apparently due to their narrow gaze, do not see that the basis of the air component of nuclear weapons in mattress mats is the B-52, and the youngest B is older than our very "elderly" Tu. It just makes no sense to change excellent planes for analogues that will be more expensive, but not more efficient.

[CBR600]

Read between the lines. The point is not in a "veteran", but in the absence of economic forces for everything. Therefore, developments such as the PAK tomorrow are not expected at all. Those. only projects. And development, scaling, 6th generation ...

[Johann Klassen]

What are the "Chinese comrades" hinting at?
Do they offer to "share" the technologies of the future and the latest developments of Russian strategic aviation?
You, the Chinese Communist comrades, do not have enough money!

[Prisoner]

Dear comrades, the Chinese, first build some kind of "panda" apparatus in real life comparable in performance characteristics with our "bears" and then chirp. ps And to the Tu-160 you as the Balts to China in an interesting position.

[TermNachTer]

I rumble nimagu))) the author somehow forgot that China still has Tu-16s in service? The Tu-95 glider is made of aluminum and titanium-magnesium alloys, so the service life is practically unlimited

[rocket757]

The aircraft is either flight-safe or not!
As a missile carrier Tu 95, it can fulfill its tasks ....
So far so, and then as we will see.

[hydrox]

While this aircraft can carry X-55, X-555, X-101, X-102 - it still has to fly and fly :: also taking into account the fact that rocket science can please us more than once again with success (missiles can become smaller, warheads they are meaner, and swarms of them are more).

[rocket757]

And there is. Mobile platform for launching missiles.

[Bez 310]

Absolutely correct article.
PAK YES he will not come to the troops, there is no money, and indeed
there is no such plane. In general, everything will be as with the Su-57.

[Dysindich]

It so happened, to this day, that there are only two countries left in the world that are able to build strategists. China is not yet among them, but the desire is enormous. It’s a stupid idea to identify the Bear and the White Swan, which, supposedly, to replace ... (PAK-DA also strapped to his reasoning, and the same - not to the line).
Well, the fact that the ability to "quickly create breakthrough products" is, of course, important, but since the Chinese themselves organize it, we don't need it. (What-what, but strategists are not created for sale)

[bars1]

Quote: Bez 310

In general, everything will be as with the Su-57.

Do you have a time machine and were in 2027 ?!

[cheburator]

And I apologize to ask, who has the youngest and most perfect strategists in the world? Have lamers? The Chinese? So it turns out that only here, the so-called "oldies" are much younger than the B-52, I will not say anything about the TU-16, they are not strategists. We are Russians, God is with us!

[Old26]

Quote: hydrox

While this aircraft can carry X-55, X-555, X-101, X-102 - it still has to fly and fly

In order for him to carry X-101 and X-102, he needs to go through modernization. And of all the remaining (MS-6 and MS-16), only MS-16 will be upgraded. The rest are not ...

Quote: cheburator

And I apologize to ask, who has the youngest and most perfect strategists in the world? Have lamers? The Chinese? So it turns out that only here, the so-called "oldies" are much younger than the B-52, I will not say anything about the TU-16, they are not strategists. We are Russians, God is with us!

The youngest strategists are currently with the Americans.

[polar bear]

Not just from airplanes ...