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Bellingcat spokesman told how the “investigation” of MH17

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The CBS channel in the program “60 minutes overtime” released updated material on how the Bellingcat international group conducted its “investigation” on the case of a Malaysian airliner shot down over southeastern Ukraine. Recall that the plane was shot down on July 17, 2014, and almost immediately in the Western press there were accusations against Russia and the Donbass militia.


Representatives of Bellingcat, continuing to claim that they were able to “track the movement of the Buk installation from the territory of Donbass to the Kursk region, said that they used exclusively the Internet. It is stated that the basis for the investigation was the pictures posted on social networks, which were then checked with certain places on Google maps.

About how the "investigation" on MH17 was carried out, said the representative of Bellingcat Eliot Higgins. From the material in CBS:

Examining digital data bit by bit, the group discovered and identified the Russian Buk missile system, which was transported through rebel-controlled territory.

Higgins was asked where his group had taken the photographs from. To this he replied as follows:

In this war zone in eastern Ukraine, there were many people, ordinary civilians, who shot videos and photos of military convoys passing there.

An interesting statement. Why, in this case, Mr. Higgins did not publish materials about how the Ukrainian “Buki” went there, didn’t find data on where the Dnepropetrovsk controllers “went on vacation”, whose fate is still unknown?

The material says that Bellingcat was able to determine the phone number on board the freight automobile platform that transported the rocket launcher. Higgins states that his team called this phone and asked why the truck is transporting a missile system? "At the other end of the wire," they replied that "the separatists had previously seized the installation."

The plot also says that the international investigative team (JIT) in the Netherlands called the Bellingcat work “innovative”, adding that it brings these materials to the case.

And again, oddities: Bellingcat materials with Google Maps photos are attached to the MH17 case, and materials from the Russian Ministry of Defense that a fragment of a rocket from one of the AFU units appeared on the frames of the JIT itself, the investigation stubbornly ignores.

Recall that at the moment the Dutch court is considering a case where there are 4 main defendants, three of whom are citizens of Russia, including Igor Strelkov (Girkin). In the CBS material, another person is called either Pulatov or Putlatov.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 13 July 2020 06: 36 New
    13
    "Innovators" Highly-like!
    The culprits have long been appointed.
    And the owl is already pulled. (The bird is sorry ... (s))
    1. Finches
      Finches 13 July 2020 06: 41 New
      10
      Bellingcat is a "respected" organization! I believe them as myself! laughing
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 13 July 2020 08: 15 New
        -7
        and the materials of the Russian Ministry of Defense that a fragment of a rocket from one of the AFU units appeared on the frames of JIT itself, the investigation stubbornly ignores

        Investigators spoke about these materials to the Ministry of Defense, speaking in court on June 9.
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 13 July 2020 09: 06 New
        +3
        Their court is the most humane court in the world. Judged as needed
        1. eklmn
          eklmn 13 July 2020 15: 21 New
          -12
          Russia in the UN Security Council blocked a resolution on the creation of an international court on a downed Boeing. Now it requires the participation of yourself and your evidence ... Is there logic?
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 13 July 2020 19: 30 New
            +9
            of course have. firstly not the court, but the tribunal. secondly, again without the participation of Russia. so Russia with logic has all the rules, unlike you laughing
  2. Olegater
    Olegater 13 July 2020 06: 40 New
    13
    Good morning, dear forum users!

    I read this news and neighing! Enchanting nonsense! Judging by such "investigations", there were no adequate resources left behind the cordon. And they will believe! That's what is interesting!
    It feels like they live unicellular, without a brain. Well this is their problem.

    If the topic of the crash is raised, will these investigators probably name the events with another Boeing that disappeared before this? Or is it impossible to stir up this?
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 13 July 2020 08: 09 New
      +8
      And they will believe! That's what is interesting!

      There is interest on the outskirts of the EU market, without accession to the EU. all means are good.
      and accordingly do not let outskirts in the EAEU
      1. Berber
        Berber 13 July 2020 08: 52 New
        +8
        Hit the point. If we discard all the "husk", then it is. Only gentlemen from the EU do not understand the simple thing - you have to pay for it. Our Ukraine, whoever and what would not say. And the GDP gave a hint, only they, by their shortsightedness, do not want to understand this.
    2. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 13 July 2020 08: 11 New
      +7
      “Behind the cordon” they use the technique of non-traditional sexual orientation, everything hurts and bleeds together !!! with the head. From this their actions and thoughts are crumpled and confused, all based on spinal reflexes.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 08: 19 New
      +7
      Quote: Olegater
      And they will believe! That's what is interesting!

      But how not to believe! This is again "one woman said."
    4. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 13 July 2020 11: 53 New
      +5
      Church burned in the 14th century are we too?
    5. avg
      avg 13 July 2020 13: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Olegater
      Judging by such "investigations", there were no adequate resources left behind the cordon.

      Something they sharply become dull when the question of Russia concerns. If the issue of the goose theft by a Dutchman from a Dutchman or a German were considered, the judge, lawyers and the public would require more weighty evidence.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 July 2020 06: 40 New
    +9
    The culprits are assigned before the plane crashes to the ground. Perhaps even long before that. Therefore, the court is a farce ... And the consequence, and "evidence", and "eyewitnesses" ...
  4. 501Legion
    501Legion 13 July 2020 06: 48 New
    +5
    what nonsense these stupid people grind. oh my god, absolutely those who believe in this nonsense
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 13 July 2020 11: 56 New
      +3
      The most important thing is not that rubbish and a tolerant democratic belief in the political conclusions of a motivated court, but that they will pass a sentence and reintroduce sanctions against us again, begin to take away buildings around the world and do harm further. This is the next stage of our persecution, and before that there were not proven events of affairs: Magnitsky, Skripal, Litvinenko and others and others. Simply, this verdict will support the general hatred towards us and the tantrum from the actual collapse of the world and the death of democracy as ideas in the United States.
  5. Poetry
    Poetry 13 July 2020 06: 49 New
    +3
    It would be funny if it were not so sad. The "innovators" are bad.
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 13 July 2020 06: 51 New
    +9
    A very simple question. That summer, Ukrainian aviation fell like leaves in an autumn forest. Each anti-aircraft defense system leaves its indelible mark. So the question is. How many “Buk” were shot down by all kinds of Ukrainian aircraft?
    Does anyone have any data on this? That is the whole question.
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 07: 11 New
      -12
      If there is such data, then the leadership of the republics or the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
      After all, the slain fell on the territory of the militia.
      And they are unlikely to share them in the current situation.
      1. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 13 July 2020 11: 41 New
        0
        The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation shared the data immediately, in contrast to the Banderzyans. And the plane crashed just behind the front line. You didn’t shoot from a slingshot as a child and you were an exemplary boy in the Michigan region, and apparently you are not familiar with physics, much less aerodynamics
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 July 2020 12: 14 New
          -4
          Familiar to you. And even familiar with the rules of decency.
          And I can work with information.
          And you have big problems for all three issues.
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 14 July 2020 17: 10 New
            +1
            "Sign" from the same Internet writers ???? laughing
            You will observe decency in a tram with your grandmother. And the ability to work with information and carry a blizzard on the basis of fiction, unsupported by knowledge - diametrically different in essence! In extreme times on the Internet, you are such "aviation professionals" without education in aviation, as "good" for a collective farm bath! fellow
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 July 2020 17: 16 New
              -4
              I see that on the second question you have very big problems.
              In reality, it’s scary to be rude, so are you running on the Internet?
              Will not interfere.....
    2. Pavel73
      Pavel73 13 July 2020 07: 56 New
      +6
      This issue can be significantly shortened. Where is the beech? For some reason, no one asked him for all six years.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 13 July 2020 08: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Pavel73
        This issue can be significantly shortened. Where is the beech?

        I guess that there are Dnepropetrovsk dispatchers. At the trial, it’s not customary to ask uncomfortable questions.
      2. kaban7
        kaban7 14 July 2020 09: 42 New
        0
        Patamushto gladiolus - is it really not clear?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2020 08: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      So the question is. How many “Buk” were shot down by Ukrainian all kinds of aircraft?

      Everyone "forgot" about it.
    4. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 13: 09 New
      +1
      Not even one according to the VVSU. There are downed MiG-29s laughing
  7. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 13 July 2020 06: 52 New
    0
    Personally, I noticed a strange feature. After articles of this nature, decisive actions of clearly opposite nature take place in the case of MH17.
    So, for example, after the previous article, which said about the release of a "revealing" book in Malaysia, the Netherlands ... filed an international court against the Russian Federation! (This seems to have been silent on VO).
    So I don’t even know what to think ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 07: 13 New
      -5
      With the book, on the cover of which the subtitle is written about the Jewish Antichrist in the Muslim version, it turned out awkward, they gradually stopped mentioning it.
    2. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 07: 33 New
      +4


      Subtitle:
      ANGKARA YAHUDI DAJJAL ILLUMINATI

      Translation:
      Jewish crime of the Illuminati of the Antichrist.
      Dajjal for Muslims is an approximate analogue of the Antichrist for Christians.
      A very valuable book. Why was it so substituted at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
  8. Avior
    Avior 13 July 2020 07: 05 New
    -5
    This story, as well as the story with the skripals, made a strong impression on the authorities, after which they began to restrict smartphones in the army and the ability to upload photos to social networks, no one seemed to expect that in the 21st century such implicit but widespread opportunities for finding information appeared in open access.
    Although it’s more correct to call the pioneers of such methods of judicial executors, who approached the matter with creative initiative and used the capabilities of social networks very widely.
    Instead of looking for a malicious alimony, it’s easier to get to know him on the social network and get him out on a date, and there’s already a meeting committee smile
    As for the case of Mn17, it is now too late to discuss these “cats” and it doesn’t make much sense.
    There is a trial, there are lawyers from the Russian side, and you need to look at what facts and evidence give to the court, and look at which of them are questioned by the lawyers.
    At the time, the media talked a lot of things, but now there is an opportunity to look at the assessment of facts by the professional look of lawyers.
    We will see.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 13 July 2020 09: 35 New
      +1
      ... and what is the opinion of the Basmanny Court? ..
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 July 2020 10: 56 New
      +2
      firstly, restrictions on smartphones began much earlier. it just was not legally fixed. as is the responsibility for these actions. it was all regulated by internal orders. secondly, there are no lawyers from the Russian side, but there are representatives of one of the suspects according to the investigation. the Russian side is not involved in it at all. All data on the rocket found and other data transmitted based on the desire and goodwill of the Russian Federation.
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 July 2020 11: 04 New
        -7
        There are lawyers who don’t know who pays.
        And decisions on smartphones were made after these events
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 July 2020 11: 14 New
          +1
          Once again, everything worked on smartphones from the moment they appeared. but the legislation did not establish criminal liability for their use. all this was regulated by internal orders. read try again what they write to you. even in zero from demobilization albums all photos from military objects were pulled out. I personally for the fact that the raiser shot at the motorola I remember then the special officer was happy. so do not mislead people.
          1. Avior
            Avior 13 July 2020 11: 21 New
            -6
            No need to mislead people
            Before these stories, photos on social networks were exposed
            As it turned out
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 13 July 2020 11: 27 New
              +2
              this is a performance incident. I’m pointing you to the fact that for no reason no one began to ban it, but it has always been. introducing criminal liability for these actions simply filled the gap that existed. and now they violate but now they can even criminally attract those who have brain problems.
              1. Avior
                Avior 13 July 2020 16: 08 New
                -4
                And I tell you that it was after these cases that the problem was solved realistically, and not formally.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 13 July 2020 16: 17 New
                  +2
                  you in my opinion do not hear me or do not want. there was no problem. there was a gap in the legislation in terms of punishment. until now, we have been punished by ourselves or our immediate superiors. I even gave you an example of how I was personally punished for this. the scandal with the campaign of the ships of the Navy became the catalyst for the adoption of this law. where one of the sailors posted a photo with geo-tagging. and if absolutely easier, it was adopted in 19
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 13 July 2020 16: 39 New
                    -4
                    I hear you, write in vain a lot
                    In fact, the problem was solved precisely after these cases
                    And you are all about some sort of formal decisions.
                    Return to the real, and everything will fall into place.
                    The report of Belingskat on Mn17 is the 17th year. Restrictions begin, the story with 18 skripals, and already at the beginning of 19, in February they pass the law. All connections are obvious.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 13 July 2020 17: 05 New
                      +1
                      connection?) Well, actually MO started to ask about restrictions since 17) I specifically wanted to see what you say and didn’t write it right away) the trip was then))) you’ll excuse me but frankly pull an owl on the globe) and the scandal with a selfie was generally at 16 )
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 13 July 2020 17: 07 New
                        -2
                        The Belingsket investigation was then
                        Yes, there was a story with a photo of Kuznetsov
                        But everything accelerated many times precisely after the publication of the Belingscat report and after the story with the skripals
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 13 July 2020 17: 16 New
                        +1
                        in 16 Carl was a scandal) in 16))) confused only. I had a selfie with Peter the Great. in the year 16. as for telephones, according to the order of the Ministry of Defense of Russia 010 of 2005, the use of a cell phone, as well as other radio transmitting and receiving devices on the territory of the military unit is strictly prohibited. The order of the Ministry of Defense of Russia of 2009 slightly eased its requirements by defining a list of rooms in which the use of cell phones is allowed. finish it. you are not in the subject simply and attract by the ears that which, in principle, is not
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 13 July 2020 17: 27 New
                        -5
                        You talk in vain.
                        They really began to fight the current situation after these cases.
                      4. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 13 July 2020 17: 30 New
                        +1
                        I did not argue with this, but with the time of their appearance and the relationship with this circus performance called the court in the case of this voyage. no more. I have already given you a bunch of examples that there is no connection between one and the other))) no) although you can take it whatever you like. I won’t be surprised.
                      5. Avior
                        Avior 13 July 2020 17: 32 New
                        -4
                        An obvious link to the beech report and the violin case
                      6. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 13 July 2020 22: 02 New
                        +1
                        I have long understood that it’s impossible to convince a Ukrainian of logic) you have it your own) I tell you the scandal because of which they accepted it all started in 16 !!! there was no report then))) and there was already a photo near Crete with Petit. and everything went because of it) where did the creak and the military ban on the use of smarts I don’t understand at all) they were supposedly poisoned in the 18th year) and the MO put forward restrictions based on the results of the campaign.
                      7. Avior
                        Avior 13 July 2020 22: 14 New
                        -3
                        I am Russian. Aren't you an hour German?
                        I just see, all the time repeating the same thing verbose ....
                        I understood everything perfectly the first time, now you try, really solved the problem precisely after these events, before that formally depicted the solution.
                        I won’t answer you anymore, I don’t see the point
                        hi
              2. Cyril G ...
                Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 18: 21 New
                0

                Eeeee board of honor for the dull ...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 July 2020 11: 39 New
    -2
    "there are lawyers from the Russian side" ///
    ----
    Lawyers for Pulatov. He is in greatest danger, since he is the only one of the four accused who saw this unfortunate Buk "alive."
    The other three only heard about him from the reports of subordinates. Lawyers need to prove that he himself did not “press a button” and did not give an order to “press a button”. Most likely it will work out.
    And against the one who pressed the button, there is no direct evidence. He did not light up on his cell phone either once or by walkie-talkie.
    But he, of course, did not suspect that he was knocking down a civilian side.
    In general, it was a simple mistake during a fierce war (as with Iran recently), a tragic mistake that grew into years of investigation
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 16: 07 New
      -3
      I think the problem is wider than you described.
      300 people of relatives, among other things, want to receive compensation not from Pulatov or Strelkov, what will they take from them? And the process is clearly not limited to these charges, or there will be more than one.
      I am sure that they understand this in Moscow.
      Pulatov’s lawyers are paid from a fund in which money is taken from nowhere, say the lawyers themselves.
      If these are purely Pulatov’s lawyers, they will be interested in purely Pulatov’s fault, and they don’t need to be dispersed globally, proving that they didn’t shoot down at all.
      As for the fault of the person who pressed the button, it is limited in any case, but one pulls on the other, for example, the origin of the beech.
      Therefore, I think that the task of lawyers is not to defend Pulatov — he is not threatened by anything in Russia, and they will not let him go abroad, but to prove that this beech did not bring down the Boeing.
      hi
  • Crash
    Crash 13 July 2020 07: 27 New
    +2
    stated that they used exclusively the Internet.

    Survived! Already too lazy just grandmas on the bench at the entrance to interview? winked I’d tell right away whose drug addicts and where the “hefty bump” was trampled upon wink
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 July 2020 07: 33 New
    +5
    The Buk was delivered there by a satellite, on a special, heavy-duty nanotrope, transported it unnoticed by everyone wassat
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 July 2020 07: 37 New
    +4
    One day the time will come and all the sisters will receive .... on the head. wassat
  • Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 July 2020 07: 50 New
    +6
    Bellingcat, this is the best evidence.
    that Russia is not involved in the downing of the Boeing, because false witnesses are needed in order to defame, and not to prove guilt!
  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 July 2020 08: 47 New
    +4
    Bellingcat materials from the Google Maps photo are attached to the MH17 case, but there are no materials from the RF Ministry of Defense or the manufacturer of the rockets!
    Well, that’s all the answers to the lack of bias of the court, and then even more interesting, the ECHR court is already serving Russia, without waiting for the outcome of the proceedings ...............
  • Kibl
    Kibl 13 July 2020 09: 17 New
    +6
    Yeah, let’s go to a fortuneteller, there’s still coffee grounds, all kinds of seers and psychics. Oh yes, they forgot for shamans, you can search Vanga and other foretellers, fit their ravings under
    MH17.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 13 July 2020 09: 31 New
    0
    Unclear. New, new dispatchers have surfaced?

    And on the state TASS (and others): "Militiamen of the proclaimed DPR shot down the An-26 plane of the Ukrainian Air Force"

    After such news from Russia, it’s somehow dumb to blame the West for Ukrov
    1. Fungus
      Fungus 13 July 2020 10: 33 New
      -1
      Ukrainian dispatchers have long been cocked. Why is the chief dispatcher who last led Boeing Petrenko not appear in court? And where is she at all? This is the main witness.
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 July 2020 10: 40 New
        -2
        and did the lawyers call him?
      2. Cristall
        Cristall 13 July 2020 22: 12 New
        -5
        Quote: Fungus
        Why is the chief dispatcher who last led Boeing Petrenko not appear in court? And where is she at all? This is the main witness.

        if Anna has a male voice when "she" was talking with the board and Rostov - then yes. Finding her will be hard laughing
        Judging by the negotiations and notes, the man led.
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 13 July 2020 16: 49 New
      +3
      So the militia never refuted the downing of the An-26. It was a reconnaissance aircraft and it was flying at a height accessible to the Osa. For that it was received.
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 July 2020 22: 16 New
        -2
        This is another 26
      2. Avior
        Avior 13 July 2020 22: 30 New
        -2
        This is another en 26
        The one that you write shot down 14.
        DONETSK, July 17. / ITAR-TASS /. The militias of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) near the city of Torez shot down an An-26 military transport plane of the Ukrainian Air Force. This was reported by eyewitnesses from the scene ..... July 14, militias of the proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LPR) also shot down the An-26 of the Ukrainian Air Force.


        https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1325017
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 July 2020 09: 46 New
    +1
    Could also interview grandmother with seeds at the bazaar ... Also a great source of information.
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 10: 50 New
    +2
    Higgins states that his team called this phone and asked why the truck is transporting a missile system? "At the other end of the wire," they replied that "the separatists had previously seized the installation."


    Armed Forces of Ukraine deny capture of SOU Buk in the initial phase of the conflict
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 11: 01 New
      -1
      It's about a trailer, not a beech
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 13 July 2020 11: 03 New
      -4
      Quote: Cyril G ...
      Armed Forces of Ukraine deny capture of SOU Buk in the initial phase of the conflict

      That's right, that Buk was captured in Kursk! fellow
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 13 July 2020 12: 13 New
    -1
    They fulfill the order in full, despite the facts of fraud, they will still provide false testimonies!
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 13 July 2020 12: 18 New
    +2
    Is it worth it to seriously discuss Internet "research" and "irrefutable" "evidence" of "independent investigators" from the Bellingcat group, funded (and this has already been proved) by the UK Department of Defense and Soros, created (like a hell out of a snuff box!) By coincidence "TWO DAYS before the destruction of the Malaysian Boeing over the Donbass?
    We are not "objective" "independent" investigators and an "independent" "honest" Dutch court!
  • iouris
    iouris 13 July 2020 12: 57 New
    0
    The investigation is being conducted according to the ICAO protocols. Everything is spelled out: who conducts, in what time frames and how the proof is carried out. Obviously, these protocols were not followed. This is a sentence to those who were required to organize an investigation.
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 16: 44 New
      -3
      Fully respected.
      On July 23, 2014, Ukraine transferred to the Netherlands Security Council (DSB) the authority to technically investigate the causes of the disaster in accordance with Annex 13 to the ICAO Convention [52].

      The investigation was facilitated by experts from Australia (ATSB [d]), France (BEA), Germany (BFU [d]), Indonesia (KNKT), Italy (ANSV [d]), Malaysia (DCA [d]), Russia (Rosaviation ), Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), Ukraine (National Bureau of Accident Investigation), United Kingdom (AAIB [d]), USA (NTSB) and European Aviation Safety Agency.


      ICAO representatives were involved to monitor compliance with the established investigation procedure [54].

      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Катастрофа_Boeing_777_в_Донецкой_области
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 13: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    But he, of course, did not suspect that he was knocking down a civilian side.
    In general, it was a simple mistake during a fierce war (as with Iran recently), a tragic mistake that grew into years of investigation

    Ukrainians knew that they were shooting down a passenger plane, no need to sing songs. The question is who gave the order to destroy the Liner. The decision was clearly made not in Kiev.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 13 July 2020 17: 56 New
      -3
      Do you have any facts? Well, if you say so? If I'm not mistaken, then you can make good money - the commission rewards the citizens who provide those.
      No facts? Then do not pose as the ultimate authority!
  • bullss
    bullss 13 July 2020 13: 41 New
    +1
    In a decent society, gentlemen decided to take a word.
    This is where my card went :)
  • 123456789
    123456789 13 July 2020 17: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Avior
    It's about a trailer, not a beech

    That is, the trailer was first driven empty from Ukraine to Kursk, the Buk was loaded onto it and driven to Donbass. And then take the same route back. Well, where is the trailer, where is Buk? In court, it is customary to present the instruments of crime! In the absence of a motive and instruments of crime, etc., etc., guilt cannot be considered proven.
    “If God wants to punish, he destroys the mind!”
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 21: 05 New
      -3
      No, we are talking about a trailer that was transported by
      Donbass
      There the phone number was written for advertising
      And about presenting, let's wait what the lawyers say
  • Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 17: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    Then do not pose as the ultimate authority!


    That is, when garbage cats tell tales, do you believe their word for them and at the same time bring together stoned Dutch people?
    So I have questions for you personally.
    - where did the SOU come from?
    - The AFU denies the loss. 156 ZRP escaped from Donetsk with all its SDAs
    - The solution to the problem of hitting a high-speed target on a self-propelled gun Buka without a dome is an extremely non-trivial task. And the Dome did not flicker anywhere from the word at all .. We are invited to believe in the fable that the rabble crew first shot down a difficult aerial target.
    - When entering the units and units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, no one would drag the Buk along public roads. There would be a decision to deploy a battalion for the Air Defense of the Republics, first of all, he would have traveled along the lanes and would have been provided with a line of communication with air surveillance equipment.
    - one more point, neither before nor after the Armed Forces and the US Armed Forces, claimed that the work of the RES of the Buk air defense systems in the territory of the republics was revealed. Well, etc. etc.
    - Why did the plane still crash and various cattle stormed in bad voices accusing the Russian Federation?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 18: 15 New
      +3
      And yet the moment why it was neither garbage cats, nor “especially knowledgeable” Vadimka Lukashevich, nor now, stoned Dutch judges didn’t even give a hint that the crash occurred in the area where the Ukrainian Domes were operating and SDU 156 air defense system air defense units were deployed.
  • 123456789
    123456789 13 July 2020 21: 31 New
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    Quote: Avior
    No, we are talking about a trailer that was transported in the Donbass

    that is, they also overloaded along the road: to the border and after, with the customs declaration being issued "Beech - 1 pc., missiles - 4 pc." And vice versa: "Beech - 1 pc., Rockets - 3 pc." Do not produce entities beyond the necessary! Declarations in the (studio) court!