For the first time since World War II: Japan returns to aircraft carriers

Tokyo began transforming the first two Japanese Izumo-type helicopter carriers into aircraft carriers. After the work done at the Yokohama shipyard, these ships will be able to carry US-made F-35V Lightning II fighters with a short take-off and vertical landing.

As Janes explains, the reconstruction of pennants coincides with their planned maintenance, which is carried out every five years. Currently, a pennant JS Izumo has been sent for overhaul with modernization. However, the entire scope of work is expected to be completed when it is re-placed for major repairs in 2025.

Izumo class ships with a displacement of 24 thousand tons were built taking into account the weight of the F-35B. This affected the construction of various parts of the helicopter carriers, such as elevators and decks. In this case, it is still necessary to equip the pennant. In particular, to strengthen the deck, increase its heat resistance (for vertical take-off of aircraft). It is currently unclear whether a springboard will appear on the ship.

The Japanese Navy returns to aircraft carriers for the first time after World War II. Having suffered a crushing defeat, the troops lost many types weaponsrequired for offensive action. In the current environment, Tokyo believes that it is no longer obliged to follow a post-war strategy.

Comments

[Wedmak]

Well .... By 2025 there will be another couple of batteries from the Balls and Bastions in the Kuril Islands. The Japanese government clearly wants to take revenge. It is not without Washington's insults that one must suppose.

[Finches]

When the Japanese open their military training: "Divine Wind", then they will need to take a serious look at their growing militarism!

[Civil]

The Japanese fleet and in its current state is ready against the Pacific Fleet, aircraft carriers are more likely to contain the growing China. They have something to remember ...

[Wedmak]

Do you seriously believe that by attacking the Pacific Fleet, the Japanese will win? It's not about quantity. No one will fight on the principle of ship vs ship, or fleet vs fleet. With the aggression of the Japanese, they will drop everything that can fly, swim, get there. Including tactical nuclear weapons, since such an attack directly threatens the loss of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
It would be better if this did not happen.

[Alex777]

You don’t have to drop everything.
Russia has a concrete way to wash all of Japan, if necessary.
And the Japanese know about it.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Civil

The Japanese fleet and in the current state is ready against the Pacific Fleet

Nowadays, everything is decided not by the number of ships, battleships and aircraft carriers as before, but by the quality and tactical and technical characteristics of the weapons installed on them. What does the Japanese have, why should one be so afraid? In addition, Russia has a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic. You can talk a lot about whose fleet is stronger, but in the case of a serious mess, Japan risks disappearing from the geographical maps of the world. In the military doctrine of Russia, such options are spelled out. I hope in Japan they know about this.

[Fitter65]

Quote: orionvitt

Russia has a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic. You can talk a lot about whose fleet is stronger, but in the case of a serious mess, Japan risks disappearing from the geographical maps of the world.

They probably think that after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese leadership appeared immune to nuclear bombing? I would not want to check. Moreover, the BLACK DATE in the history of our civilization is approaching - the 75th anniversary of the US nuclear bombing of Japanese cities ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: orionvitt

In addition, Russia has a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic.

Great Britain also had a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic. However, this did not stop the Argentines from landing on the Falklands.

[orionvitt]

Fuss for the Falklands, you can't even call a war. The outcome was clear in advance. Moreover, no one stood up for Argentina, and the UK decided everything in its favor on its own, with almost little blood. If major world players got involved in the conflict, it is still unknown how it would all end.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Civil

The Japanese fleet and in the current state is ready against the Pacific Fleet

The times of "Tsushima battles" are over. If the samurai twitch, they will not deal with the ships of the Pacific Fleet.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Piramidon

The times of "Tsushima battles" are over. If the samurai twitch, they will not deal with the ships of the Pacific Fleet.

only on the side of Japan there may be two AUGs of the USA, then the fleet of the South Caucasus, and Taiwan + Australia ...
You rely on the Strategic Missile Forces, believe me - forget about it (at this stage of the RF policy, both internal and external - well, our guarantor of titanium twins does not have it).
Now the Strategic Missile Forces is the guarantor of not withdrawing material resources from the "family" and those close to the "Guarantor" (even the "drunkard" understood this).

[Piramidon]

Quote: PSih2097

Quote: Piramidon

The times of "Tsushima battles" are over. If the samurai twitch, they will not deal with the ships of the Pacific Fleet.

only on the side of Japan there may be two AUGs of the USA, then the fleet of the South Caucasus, and Taiwan + Australia ...
You rely on the Strategic Missile Forces, believe me - forget about it (at this stage of the RF policy, both internal and external - well, our guarantor of titanium twins does not have it).
Now the Strategic Missile Forces is the guarantor of not withdrawing material resources from the "family" and those close to the "Guarantor" (even the "drunkard" understood this).

I look at white papers, not lebiroid conjectures
in the style of "family", "close to the guarantor", "titanium twins", ...

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 "On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence"

III. Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use of nuclear weapons
17. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when it is itself at risk the existence of the state.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Piramidon

Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 "On the Fundamentals of the State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence"

Well, if official documents - do not tell who (according to the constitution) should give the president permission to strike, including a counter ???

[Piramidon]

Quote: PSih2097

Well, since official documents - you won’t tell who (according to the constitution) should give the president permission to strike

27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
The decision on the use of nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation.

What more do you need? Or decided to troll?

[Vadim237]

Let Russia’s land-based and surface-based missiles attack a lot.

[antivirus]

yapy against China, the Russian Federation - only casual

[TermNachTer]

Given the displacement of their lushpakes, it is unlikely that they will be able to accommodate more than 8 - 10 F - 35. And if you take into account that in the vertical take-off mode, it has a minimal payload, then it is not clear what it is for? The Japanese decided to step on the English rake?

[Ryaruav]

that night the samurai decided to cross the border by the river ...

[Mountain shooter]

Expected. Izumas are very large, and the purchase of the F-35 with a vertical landing was clearly aimed at using them. Another reason to remember that it was not in vain that they began to strengthen the Pacific Fleet. And the airfield on the islands will not hurt. It, unlike the Izumov, will be unsinkable.

[Avior]

But, unfortunately, in a known place

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

But, unfortunately, in a known place

Only the place is covered by a "multilayer" air defense, the density of which was never dreamed of by the AUG naval defense order. And the planes can be hidden in concrete caponiers. "Sand is a poor substitute for oats ..." AUG, in the presence of a stationary air base, is several times less stable than it.

[Avior]

It is more correct to say that the AUG order is covered in such a way that the land object could not even dream of.
It is also located in an unknown place neither in space nor in time.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

It is more correct to say that the AUG order is covered in such a way that the land object could not even dream of.
It is also located in an unknown place neither in space nor in time.

Are you seriously? Have the satellites been canceled? As well as other means of intelligence. This submarine is difficult to detect. And about sea-based air defense. They are powerful, of course. But the ground base can be covered by ANY air defense grouping, if necessary, and how much and what for Izumi? And amerovskie AUG can be considered invulnerable. Conditionally. And why only did they adopt the "Daggers" and take the "Zircons" in speed?

[Avior]

Are satellites able to provide information on the position of the AOG and all watercraft in the area at least an hour before the anti-ship missiles can capture the target of the GOS? Otherwise, the whole blow will go to milk or to a worthless target.
Give a link, interesting to read.
This land airfield will not go away and the parking spaces will be known even before they are built.
The naval group has the ability to quickly concentrate forces at the right time for the enemy and in the right place, about which he will not inform anyone.
And ground-based air defense systems will have to be deployed at all facilities requiring protection, and there is nothing to be done about it, the enemy will not tell where the strike will be delivered, so ultra-high concentration will not work out. And nothing they will not help each other.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Avior

Are satellites able to provide information on the position of the AOG and all watercraft in the area at least an hour before the anti-ship missiles can capture the target of the GOS? Otherwise, the whole blow will go to milk or to a worthless target.

In the 70-80s, there was such a tactic of action against the AUG. The satellite gave the location of the target to the target designator, the control plane determined the exact coordinates and broadcast them to the submarine, which struck the AUG. True, in those days, due to the lack of high-precision anti-ship missiles, it was supposed to use missiles with nuclear warheads. Like - "Dobrynya, sprinkle this Frenchie with chalk ..."

[Avior]

The satellite gave the target location to the target aircraft, the TsU aircraft determined the exact coordinates and broadcast them to the submarine

Yes, I know. good in theory.
But in practice, the target designator aircraft should be located in the direct radio-visibility zone of the aircraft carrier immediately before the launch of the Pkr.
Then these regiments and divisions were engaged.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Avior

Then these regiments and divisions were engaged.

As we were told, if during such an operation the air regiment dies, but as a result of the command center the AUG is destroyed, then the task will be considered completed. And how many cases were there when our planes not only approached the range of the radar, but already passed over the decks of the warrant and only then did the fuss begin on the AUG ships.

[Avior]

All this in peacetime.
It has nothing to do with the fighting situation.
and now there are no regiments or divisions.
and again, it was all a theory

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

Are satellites able to provide information on the position of the AOG and all watercraft in the area at least an hour before the anti-ship missiles can capture the target of the GOS? Otherwise, the whole blow will go to milk or to a worthless target.

What are dual-use satellites, you know? A popular topic is Earth sounding devices.
Multispectral cameras of Zashibinsky resolution, some with radars. Satellites are equipped with plasma engines for maneuvering. They have heights of about 1000 km. You can’t get a rocket at once. There are a lot of them in orbit! Our, Russian. A familiar company collects nodes for them - in three shifts.

[Avior]

Remote sensing satellites are very different in purpose, capabilities and altitude. And you mixed them in a heap.
From some you take height, from others the possibilities
if you want to get suitable for the proposed purposes, you have to omit below

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Are you seriously? Have satellites already been canceled? Like other intelligence tools. This submarine is difficult to detect. And about sea-based air defense. They are certainly powerful. But ANY air defense group can cover the ground base

Any ground base is vulnerable, it is stationary, there is always a sector that has the worst conditions for radar. You cannot constantly keep all airplanes in the air; ground-based air defense systems are limited. "Any" is only in fantasies.
Marine assets are mobile, radar works over long distances. By satellite you can determine the approximate location, but you need to direct missiles in classical ways. Detecting a submarine from the air is not a problem. For this, naval aviation is.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

But ANY air defense group can cover the ground base, if necessary

The problem is that when working on a stationary target, the range of ammunition used is much wider than on a moving one. Since the target cannot escape, the GOS is not needed - it is possible to operate the URO and UAB with guidance in coordinates (at least with GPS, even with ANN). You can even work out OTR / RMD.

[sd000016]

As for the unknown place, you are clearly excited. As it is sung in a popular (at one time) Soviet song: "I can see everything from above, you just know."

[Avior]

Think it's that simple?

[5-9]

It’s just in the middle of this warrant that the submarines that are flashed pop up .... The main defense of the AUG is that you will find its figs in the World Ocean ... when approaching the shores, this bonus disappears ... and so on - 4 Granites from a special warhead of the half-megaton class, then the rest and adieu ... we are talking about the Amer, and not the Japanese AUG, of course

[Piramidon]

Quote: 5-9

the main defense of the AUG is that you will find its figs in the World Ocean

This was before the era of reconnaissance satellites.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 5-9

In the middle of this warrant, the subplotted ones pop up ..

And how many combat-ready ICAPLs are at the Pacific Fleet? One? Or two?

[5-9]

And what does the Pacific Fleet and its ICAPL have to do with it? It was about AUG ...
Enough of these mental exercises and fights of an elephant with a whale, we will destroy AUG at the base of nuclear weapons or RCC with nuclear weapons

[PSih2097]

Quote: 5-9

And what does the Pacific Fleet and its ICAPL have to do with it? It was about AUG ...
Enough of these mental exercises and fights of an elephant with a whale, we will destroy AUG at the base of nuclear weapons or RCC with nuclear weapons

Well, it’s about KTOF and, accordingly, about the Pacific region of the database ...

[5-9]

And what about Japanese undersupply? With exterminatus, it doesn’t reach mtsapl ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Only the place is covered with "multi-layer" air defense

do not tell WHAT? There nichre nothing layered since the time after the collapse of the Union.

[PROXOR]

With the range of the Fu-35V, this is also not a problem.

[TermNachTer]

Believe me, with modern methods of satellite reconnaissance, tracking such hefty sheds is not particularly difficult. Moreover, to strike, they will have to approach a dangerously close distance for them. Because Ф - 35, in the vertical take-off mode it has a very small radius of action.

[Avior]

And let me not believe it.
For a whole range of reasons.
Starting from the fact that low-orbit satellites are within the reach of cm3 missiles of escort destroyers, the radars on the satellite are low-power and simply being squeezed, the orbits of the satellites are known and ending with the fact that the information arrives in Moscow and until the launch reaches the ship, the aircraft carrier will be far away.
And f-35, by the way, takes off horizontally, sits vertically

[Vadim237]

The information will reach Moscow instantly - and the answer will be instantly sink all Japanese warships in the event of their aircraft attacking our military facilities or territory - we’ll test the dagger in practice.

[TermNachTer]

The very first downed satellite may entail a "big thank you" in the form of "calibers" and "daggers". There are no catapults or trampolines on Japanese troughs. How is horizontal takeoff ensured?

[Avior]

F-35v, like Harrier or Yak-38 are able to take off from a shortened run horizontally without a springboard.
Before take-off, nozzles are turned at an angle

[TermNachTer]

Yeah, that's why the British on the Invincibles had a springboard to take off with a short run.

[Avior]

Yes, it's easier
But on American UDC it’s not there, flat deck
It’s more convenient to base helicopters if necessary
As a rule, Americans are an exception, but soars without it

[TermNachTer]

Nobody sets the task of "seizing air superiority in this particular area" before the UDC.

[Avior]

Anything can happen
If there is a problem, but there is no aircraft carrier, then they will be deployed, if technically possible

[TermNachTer]

The first time I hear this. At least for the mattresses, it is clearly stated that the UDC carries out the landing and fire support of the landing. Everything else is not his problem.

[Avior]

https://topwar.ru/124299-desantnyy-korabl-uosp-stanet-pervoy-peredvizhnoy-morskoy-bazoy-f-35b.html
There video
Lowers engine nozzles before take-off
Sometimes before acceleration, sometimes just before the separation, you can see

[TermNachTer]

I do not argue that purely theoretically this is possible, although there is a lot of "HO" there. I'm talking about how much the payload is reduced when launching vertically.

[Avior]

When strictly vertical, it is reduced, but it is usually used in the air defense version, the load there is not very large, the explosives are not the heaviest
But this is an exception, usually take off horizontally, with or without a springboard
And they sit down vertically, fuel has already been exhausted, the plane is lighter

[TermNachTer]

So, for this, they came up with a springboard to facilitate the take-off of VTOL aircraft, but the Japanese do not. And what they are going to do with this problem is not yet clear. Any of the two well-known options is firstly time, and secondly money.

[Avior]

As far as I know / are going to bet
Sorry, I didn’t immediately understand air superiority.
I do not think that the springboard somehow significantly affects such opportunities.
At least temporarily calmly can do

[Cyril G ...]

While on the South Kuril Islands deployed duty link Su-35

[Africaner79]

We need an aircraft carrier, and preferably two for the Pacific Fleet

[sd000016]

In order to catch poachers in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

[Greenwood]

No money, you hold on there.

[boss]

Three, better than 3 aircraft carriers and a decent order for everyone.
Enough is enough, huh?

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Japan has always had the strongest Navy in the world, and so space in general

[Greenwood]

Well, they are not the strongest in the world. But one of the strongest in the Asia-Pacific - quite a yes.

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

If we take into account how much they ordered and already have F-35s, plus F-15s, they will crush us both at sea and in the air, the islands will be taken away at once, and our bases are further and significant, only nuclear weapons remain, but its application you need to have the will

[Wedmak]

If they are so cool, then what about the moaning about the islands? The gut is thin to decide to take away? Not so simple.
Naval landings have always been distinguished by large losses of attackers. So it was in 1, and 2 world. But then there were no rockets. Now any landing, this is the risk of being destroyed, barely appearing on the horizon. The depth of the theater reaches hundreds of kilometers. Before the Japanese deployed an attack force, all intelligence means will already be directed at it. With the transfer of coordinates of targets to strike units of missile, navy and aviation. These Izumo will go to the bottom first, the goal is large, comfortable, and no cover by the cruisers will help.
The breakthrough of our air defense will also cost the Japanese large losses of aircraft. Are they ready for this?

only nuclear weapons remain, but their application requires the will to have

If somehow they suppress our air defense, cause catastrophic damage to the Pacific Fleet, nothing will remain. I doubt that the blow will be on Tokyo or other cities, but the military and navy are guaranteed.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn

they will crush us both in the sea and in the air, the islands will take away

Keep the white flag in an accessible place?

[Senior seaman]

Quote: Hydrograph of the Golden Horn

Japan has always had the strongest Navy in the world

It never happened.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Senior Sailor

It never happened.

... and here again! ©
Sorry, could not resist.
Seriously, IJN was probably in the top five during WWII, and already in the top three in WWII.

[Georg21]

No, they’ve also had space in the Second World War.

[Hydrography Bay Golden Horn]

Russia needs more air force in this direction

[Thrifty]

Here, for some reason, the Japanese also make acquire full-fledged aircraft carriers, without desalinization they are needed or not!

[sd000016]

The shipbuilding industry is underloaded. It is necessary to protect personnel, competencies, technological capabilities.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

Here, for some reason, the Japanese also make acquire full-fledged aircraft carriers, without desalinization they are needed or not!

Compare the territory of Japan and the territory of Russia. Where can they disperse their aircraft except at sea?

[Ros 56]

Are they again going to make striped competition in the Pacific?

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

I think the states allowed them that the allies should be against China.

[Ros 56]

Yes, the Chinese will multiply them by zero for their attitude to themselves in the process of history.

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

Chinese? History has shown that the Japanese multiplied them by zero as they wanted.
And if it were not for the USSR, it is not known what would remain of the Chinese. And the Japanese dreams of the continent have not gone away.

[Ros 56]

Those days are over or you don’t notice anything around. Now even the striped ones are afraid of contacting the Chinese.

[Grazdanin]

Quote: Ros 56

Those days are over or you don’t notice anything around. Now even the striped ones are afraid of contacting the Chinese.

Why is this?)) Due to the fact that the Chinese built ships designed in the USSR and how old they were for 40 years?))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Grazdanin

Why is this?)) Due to the fact that the Chinese built ships designed in the USSR and how old they were for 40 years?))

I would like to live in the USSR, which could design this:

Well, or at least this:

[Cristall]

Quote: VASYA ZYUZKIN

And if it were not for the USSR, it is not known what would remain of the Chinese. And the Japanese dreams of the continent have not gone away.

many Chinese multiplied and they multiplied many.
The heyday of decline.
Japan is a marine island country. She is prescribed to own.

[Grazdanin]

They usually multiplied by zero

[Cristall]

Quote: Grazdanin

They usually multiplied by zero

Yes, this cheerful East Asian trinity know how many fought among themselves?
(Korea, Japan, China)
they have their own rattles of millennial wars and conflicts.

[Grazdanin]

I know :) little lovers of genocides.

[Vasya Zyuzkin]

And striped profitable that they continue to actively engage in this.
If you look, striped ears stick out from any conflict of the last century.
Who supplies strike weapons to Japan? Penguin is not a defensive complex. Not an interceptor. And its basing on the carrier is the creation of a full-fledged AUG.

[Grazdanin]

Who cares who supplies? The United States will not deliver from others or buy it.

[Grazdanin]

Well, we are waiting for a full-fledged aircraft carrier. To him, just 5ka of its development will arrive in time.

[Gloomy skeptic]

The Japanese, like the Germans, NEVER, nor did they know how, think strategically. Everyone rushed for the immediate result. True they say: Learn the history of the past and only there you will find ALL answers about your future. Why did occupied Japan aircraft carriers? Fight the Philippines? Yes, any hint of aggression from the Japanese, the Chinese will simply stop loading Japanese steamers in all their ports and in a week a complete lack of RESOURCES will begin in Japan, ALL of them. This already happened in the beginning of 2000, when some minor border conflict over some uninhabited islands, the Chinese only Paused the loading of Japanese tankers and Japan stopped rattling iron in a day.

[tralflot1832]

Bad news. The Yapis forgot the results of the Second World War. The Chinese will cut off rice and oil and that's it. Amateurs walk on a rake !!!

[Avior]

just not forgotten. They are now friends with the States.

[tralflot1832]

It seems that Yapis are forbidden to have aircraft carriers?

[Avior]

a little harder

The ninth article of the Constitution of Japan is a legal norm enshrined in the Japanese Constitution of 1947, which proclaims the state’s refusal of war as a way to resolve international disputes and, as a result, from creating its own ground forces, navy and air force.

Article 9 Sincerely striving for international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as the sovereign right of the nation, as well as the threat or use of armed force as a means of settling international disputes.
To achieve the goal specified in the previous paragraph, ground forces, naval and air forces, as well as other means of war, will never be created again. The right to wage war by a state is not recognized.

but they are flexible, especially recently, with a broad interpretation

On July 1, 2014, Shinzo Abe's Cabinet of Ministers adopted Resolution [2], which reinterprets Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. In particular, according to this resolution, Japan has the right to the so-called “collective self-defense” and can use the Self-Defense Forces not only in the event of an armed attack on Japan, but also in the case of attacks on countries with which Japan maintains close ties, and in case of serious the threat of such an attack. On September 19, 2015, the Japanese parliament allowed the use of the Self-Defense Forces to participate in military conflicts abroad.

In May 2017, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe set a deadline for revision of Article 9 of the Constitution until 2020, which would legitimize the Japanese Self-Defense Forces.

[Greenwood]

Quote: tralflot1832

Yapis forgot the outcome of World War II. The Chinese cut off from rice and oil

Yapi then remember the results of World War II. But where does the Chinese? Yapov was defeated by the Americans at sea and the Soviet army in Manchuria.

[Doccor18]

In the current environment, Tokyo believes that it is no longer obliged to follow a post-war strategy.

Not in 1945, not in "current conditions" Tokyo does not decide anything. The Americans sold the F35 and gave the go-ahead for the modernization of helicopter carriers, mainly for pressure on the east of Russia.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Doccor18

mainly for pressure on the east of Russia.

Rather, to China. In that region, for the Yankees, the Chinese are now the main hemorrhoids.

[5-9]

Japan is at a strategic impasse, if the US coughs up in the Western Hemisphere, then they are kirdyk (if they do not fall under us quickly and obediently) ... both Koreans and Chinese hate them fiercely ... "Let's go to war with Japan." And without cuckoo, Great Aegain somehow does not imply the import of consumer goods from Japan. The country lacks resources and even food in sufficient quantities, without world trade - kirdyk. They need to protect ocean communications ... and some here write about the islands ... in reality, during military construction, the Japanese do not even think about them

[A1845]

Tokyo began transforming the first two Japanese Izumo-type helicopter carriers into aircraft carriers

aircraft carrier loudly said

[kamui91]

It's time.
Better yet, lay a full-fledged aircraft carrier under the F35c.

[Falcon5555]

Japan returns to aircraft carriers

- as expected.

[Georg21]

Japan can even now land at least a parade march even in Chukotka .... there is nothing to answer them, except for nuclear weapons. Aviation and air defense will be linked. The "partners" will not allow us to transfer anything from the west by creating tension on the western borders. (As it was in 1904-5). So, the Japs are probably only held by the genetic memory of Hiroshima ...

[Vadim237]

In the Far East, there are coastal anti-ship missiles of ground-based surface and air-based OTRK Iskander can also work on surface targets, if necessary, they will attract strategic aviation, and it will bring down more than 800 cruise missiles in conventional equipment to Japan - and Russia should not ask any partners in this plan will not yes they themselves will not do anything - they fuck it. But the Japanese are far from all suicides - they will therefore not attack either tomorrow or after tomorrow or in the very distant future.

[megadeth]

I don’t remember exactly, but according to the results of World War II ... they have limitations on the number and equipment of the army, as well as on offensive weapons !!! ???

[Vadim237]

They already put a hell of a damn on all these restrictions after 75 years.

[fa2998]

I am surprised from our authorities, from our Foreign Ministry. Why are we negotiating with them? After all, they do not just come on an excursion, they need islands. First of all, based on the adopted amendments to the Constitution, any such negotiations on the alienation of the territory are already state ones. treason. And then. Why only Russia should follow only its promises, but has Tokyo forgotten about it? It will completely get rid of foreign military bases, only small Self-Defense Forces, etc.
I think attack aircraft carriers are not a means of defense. They would have sent them and would not have been allowed into Moscow.

[fa2998]

Quote: Georg21

Japan can even now land at least a parade march even in Chukotka .... there is nothing to answer them, except for nuclear weapons. Aviation and air defense will be linked. The "partners" will not allow us to transfer anything from the west by creating tension on the western borders. (As it was in 1904-5). So, the Japs are probably only held by the genetic memory of Hiroshima ...

Nuclear weapons cost us a lot of money. And to respond to all local threats with conventional weapons is not enough of any budget. Let it threaten EVERYTHING, it was created for that.

[Vladimir1155]

here it is proof of the aggressive plans of the Japanese militarists ..., the aircraft carrier is a weapon of aggression, .... the Americans deceived Stalin and did not give the USSR half of Hokaido to which our country has all the rights, this is the territory of ethnic Ainu that was subjected to genocide in Japan, but saved by Russia, Ainu must reclaim their land. The Americans broke their promise to transfer half of Hokaido to the USSR and, to prove their firmness in that matter, launched a nuclear strike on two peaceful Japanese cities, the American president said "we have a club for these guys." The peace treaty with Japan should include no less than the transfer of the entire coastal strip of Hokaido to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to Russia as the legal successor of the USSR ...

[Vladimir1155]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp22_BHJDJk

[Avior]

Unfortunately, the Americans promised only Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands
And after the USSR did not sign the peace treaty, they also refused this promise, making a special subscript at ratification

[Escobar]

History repeats itself. Before the Second World War, the Japanese launched heavy cruisers with weapons typical of light -155 mm cannons, with the expectation of their quick replacement, in which case by 203 mm. And here - they built an innocuous landing transport, and remade it into an attack ship.