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For the first time since World War II: Japan returns to aircraft carriers

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Tokyo began transforming the first two Japanese Izumo-type helicopter carriers into aircraft carriers. After the work done at the Yokohama shipyard, these ships will be able to carry US-made F-35V Lightning II fighters with a short take-off and vertical landing.


As Janes explains, the reconstruction of pennants coincides with their planned maintenance, which is carried out every five years. Currently, a pennant JS Izumo has been sent for overhaul with modernization. However, the entire scope of work is expected to be completed when it is re-placed for major repairs in 2025.

Izumo class ships with a displacement of 24 thousand tons were built taking into account the weight of the F-35B. This affected the construction of various parts of the helicopter carriers, such as elevators and decks. In this case, it is still necessary to equip the pennant. In particular, to strengthen the deck, increase its heat resistance (for vertical take-off of aircraft). It is currently unclear whether a springboard will appear on the ship.

The Japanese Navy returns to aircraft carriers for the first time after World War II. Having suffered a crushing defeat, the troops lost many types weaponsrequired for offensive action. In the current environment, Tokyo believes that it is no longer obliged to follow a post-war strategy.
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  1. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 July 2020 06: 13 New
    -2
    Well .... By 2025 there will be another couple of batteries from the Balls and Bastions in the Kuril Islands. The Japanese government clearly wants to take revenge. It is not without Washington's insults that one must suppose.
    1. Finches
      Finches 13 July 2020 06: 28 New
      -3
      That's when the Japanese open their military training: "Divine wind", then you will need to seriously look at their growing militarism! laughing
    2. Civil
      Civil 13 July 2020 07: 36 New
      11
      The Japanese fleet and in its current state is ready against the Pacific Fleet, aircraft carriers are more likely to contain the growing China. They have something to remember ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 July 2020 08: 19 New
        +6
        Do you seriously believe that by attacking the Pacific Fleet, the Japanese will win? It's not about quantity. No one will fight on the principle of ship vs ship, or fleet vs fleet. With the aggression of the Japanese, they will drop everything that can fly, swim, get there. Including tactical nuclear weapons, since such an attack directly threatens the loss of the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
        It would be better if this did not happen.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 13 July 2020 17: 23 New
          +3
          You don’t have to drop everything. wink
          Russia has a concrete way to wash all of Japan, if necessary.
          And the Japanese know about it. hi
      2. orionvitt
        orionvitt 13 July 2020 08: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: Civil
        The Japanese fleet and in the current state is ready against the Pacific Fleet

        Nowadays, everything is decided not by the number of ships, battleships and aircraft carriers as before, but by the quality and tactical and technical characteristics of the weapons installed on them. What does the Japanese have, why should one be so afraid? In addition, Russia has a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic. You can talk a lot about whose fleet is stronger, but in the case of a serious mess, Japan risks disappearing from the geographical maps of the world. In the military doctrine of Russia, such options are spelled out. I hope in Japan they know about this.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 13 July 2020 13: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: orionvitt
          Russia has a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic. You can talk a lot about whose fleet is stronger, but in the case of a serious mess, Japan risks disappearing from the geographical maps of the world.

          They probably think that after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese leadership appeared immune to nuclear bombing? I would not want to check. Moreover, the BLACK DATE in the history of our civilization is approaching - the 75th anniversary of the US nuclear bombing of Japanese cities ...
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 22 New
          +4
          Quote: orionvitt
          In addition, Russia has a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic.

          Great Britain also had a complete nuclear arsenal with delivery vehicles, both tactical and strategic. However, this did not stop the Argentines from landing on the Falklands.
          1. orionvitt
            orionvitt 13 July 2020 18: 36 New
            -1
            Fuss for the Falklands, you can't even call a war. The outcome was clear in advance. Moreover, no one stood up for Argentina, and the UK decided everything in its favor on its own, with almost little blood. If major world players got involved in the conflict, it is still unknown how it would all end.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 13 July 2020 09: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        The Japanese fleet and in the current state is ready against the Pacific Fleet

        The times of the "Tsushima battles" have passed. If the samurai twitch, then they will not deal with the ships of the Pacific Fleet.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 13 July 2020 17: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          The times of the "Tsushima battles" have passed. If the samurai twitch, then they will not deal with the ships of the Pacific Fleet.

          only on the side of Japan there may be two AUGs of the USA, then the fleet of the South Caucasus, and Taiwan + Australia ...
          You rely on the Strategic Missile Forces, believe me - forget about it (at this stage of the RF policy, both internal and external - well, our guarantor of titanium twins does not have it).
          Now the Strategic Missile Forces are the guarantor of not withdrawing material assets from the "family" and those close to the "Guarantor" (even the "drunk" understood this).
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 13 July 2020 17: 29 New
            0
            Quote: PSih2097
            Quote: Piramidon
            The times of the "Tsushima battles" have passed. If the samurai twitch, then they will not deal with the ships of the Pacific Fleet.

            only on the side of Japan there may be two AUGs of the USA, then the fleet of the South Caucasus, and Taiwan + Australia ...
            You rely on the Strategic Missile Forces, believe me - forget about it (at this stage of the RF policy, both internal and external - well, our guarantor of titanium twins does not have it).
            Now the Strategic Missile Forces are the guarantor of not withdrawing material assets from the "family" and those close to the "Guarantor" (even the "drunk" understood this).

            I look at white papers, not lebiroid conjectures
            in the style of "family", "close to the guarantor", "titanium twins", ...

            Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 “On the Fundamentals of State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence"
            III. Conditions for the transition of the Russian Federation to the use of nuclear weapons
            17. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when it is itself at risk the existence of the state.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 13 July 2020 18: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Piramidon
              Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 “On the Fundamentals of State Policy of the Russian Federation in the Field of Nuclear Deterrence"

              Well, if official documents - do not tell who (according to the constitution) should give the president permission to strike, including a counter ???
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 13 July 2020 18: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: PSih2097
                Well, since official documents - you won’t tell who (according to the constitution) should give the president permission to strike

                27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
                The decision on the use of nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation.

                What more do you need? Or decided to troll?
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 July 2020 22: 17 New
        +2
        Let Russia’s land-based and surface-based missiles attack a lot.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 13 July 2020 08: 11 New
      +2
      yapy against China, the Russian Federation - only casual
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 13 July 2020 12: 45 New
      -1
      Given the displacement of their lushpakes, it is unlikely that they will be able to accommodate more than 8 - 10 F - 35. And if you take into account that in the vertical take-off mode, it has a minimal payload, then it is not clear what it is for? The Japanese decided to step on the English rake?
  2. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 13 July 2020 06: 34 New
    +5
    that night the samurai decided to cross the border by the river ...
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 July 2020 06: 48 New
    0
    Expected. The Izumas are very large, and the purchase of the F-35 with a vertical landing was clearly aimed at using them. An extra reason to remember that it was not for nothing that they began to strengthen the Pacific Fleet. And the airfield on the islands does not hurt. He, unlike the Izumas, will be unsinkable. tongue
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 07: 39 New
      +2
      But, unfortunately, in a known place
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 13 July 2020 07: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: Avior
        But, unfortunately, in a known place

        Only the place is covered by a "multilayer" air defense, the density of which was not even dreamed of by the AUG defense sea warrant. And airplanes can be covered in concrete caponiers. "Sand is a bad substitute for oats ..." AUG in the presence of a stationary air base is many times less stable compared to it.
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 July 2020 07: 56 New
          +2
          It is more correct to say that the AUG order is covered in such a way that the land object could not even dream of.
          It is also located in an unknown place neither in space nor in time.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 13 July 2020 08: 03 New
            -5
            Quote: Avior
            It is more correct to say that the AUG order is covered in such a way that the land object could not even dream of.
            It is also located in an unknown place neither in space nor in time.

            Are you seriously? Have satellites already been canceled? Like other intelligence tools. This submarine is difficult to detect. And about sea-based air defense. They are certainly powerful. But ANY air defense group can cover the ground base, if necessary, but how much and what is Izumi? And Amer’s AUGs can be considered invulnerable. Conditionally. And why did they only take the “Daggers” into service and would they accept the Zircons in speed?
            1. Avior
              Avior 13 July 2020 08: 31 New
              -4
              Are satellites able to provide information on the position of the AOG and all watercraft in the area at least an hour before the anti-ship missiles can capture the target of the GOS? Otherwise, the whole blow will go to milk or to a worthless target.
              Give a link, interesting to read.
              This land airfield will not go away and the parking spaces will be known even before they are built.
              The naval group has the ability to quickly concentrate forces at the right time for the enemy and in the right place, about which he will not inform anyone.
              And ground-based air defense systems will have to be deployed at all facilities requiring protection, and there is nothing to be done about it, the enemy will not tell where the strike will be delivered, so ultra-high concentration will not work out. And nothing they will not help each other.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 13 July 2020 09: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Are satellites able to provide information on the position of the AOG and all watercraft in the area at least an hour before the anti-ship missiles can capture the target of the GOS? Otherwise, the whole blow will go to milk or to a worthless target.

                In the 70-80s, there was such a tactic of action against AUG. The satellite gave the target location to the target aircraft, the TsU aircraft determined the exact coordinates and broadcast them to the submarine, which struck at the AUG. True, in those days, due to the lack of high-precision anti-ship missiles, it was supposed to use missiles with nuclear warheads. Type - "Dobrynya, sprinkle this Frenchman with chalk ..." laughing
                1. Avior
                  Avior 13 July 2020 10: 07 New
                  -3
                  The satellite gave the target location to the target aircraft, the TsU aircraft determined the exact coordinates and broadcast them to the submarine

                  Yes, I know. good in theory.
                  But in practice, the target designator aircraft should be located in the direct radio-visibility zone of the aircraft carrier immediately before the launch of the Pkr.
                  Then these regiments and divisions were engaged.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 13 July 2020 10: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    Then these regiments and divisions were engaged.

                    As we were told, if during such an operation the air regiment dies, but as a result of the command center the AUG is destroyed, then the task will be considered completed. And how many cases were there when our planes not only approached the range of the radar, but already passed over the decks of the warrant and only then did the fuss begin on the AUG ships.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 13 July 2020 10: 34 New
                      +4
                      All this in peacetime.
                      It has nothing to do with the fighting situation.
                      and now there are no regiments or divisions.
                      and again, it was all a theory
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 13 July 2020 17: 32 New
                0
                Quote: Avior

                Are satellites able to provide information on the position of the AOG and all watercraft in the area at least an hour before the anti-ship missiles can capture the target of the GOS? Otherwise, the whole blow will go to milk or to a worthless target.

                What are dual-use satellites, you know? A popular topic is Earth sounding devices.
                Multispectral cameras of Zashibinsky resolution, some with radars. Satellites are equipped with plasma engines for maneuvering. They have heights of about 1000 km. You can’t get a rocket at once. There are a lot of them in orbit! Our, Russian. A familiar company collects nodes for them - in three shifts. tongue
                1. Avior
                  Avior 13 July 2020 17: 47 New
                  +1
                  Remote sensing satellites are very different in purpose, capabilities and altitude. And you mixed them in a heap.
                  From some you take height, from others the possibilities
                  if you want to get suitable for the proposed purposes, you have to omit below
            2. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 July 2020 08: 53 New
              0
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              Are you seriously? Have satellites already been canceled? Like other intelligence tools. This submarine is difficult to detect. And about sea-based air defense. They are certainly powerful. But ANY air defense group can cover the ground base

              Any ground base is vulnerable, it is stationary, there is always a sector that has the worst conditions for radar. You cannot constantly keep all airplanes in the air; ground-based air defense systems are limited. "Any" is only in fantasies.
              Marine assets are mobile, radar works over long distances. By satellite you can determine the approximate location, but you need to direct missiles in classical ways. Detecting a submarine from the air is not a problem. For this, naval aviation is.
            3. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              But ANY air defense group can cover the ground base, if necessary

              The problem is that when working on a stationary target, the range of ammunition used is much wider than on a moving one. Since the target cannot escape, the GOS is not needed - it is possible to operate the URO and UAB with guidance in coordinates (at least with GPS, even with ANN). You can even work out OTR / RMD.
          2. sd000016
            sd000016 13 July 2020 08: 04 New
            0
            As for the unknown place, you obviously got excited. As the popular (at one time) Soviet song sings: "I can see everything from above, you know that."
            1. Avior
              Avior 13 July 2020 08: 32 New
              0
              Think it's that simple?
          3. 5-9
            5-9 13 July 2020 09: 37 New
            0
            It’s just in the middle of this warrant that the submarines that are flashed pop up .... The main defense of the AUG is that you will find its figs in the World Ocean ... when approaching the shores, this bonus disappears ... and so on - 4 Granites from a special warhead of the half-megaton class, then the rest and adieu ... we are talking about the Amer, and not the Japanese AUG, of course
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 13 July 2020 10: 29 New
              0
              Quote: 5-9
              the main defense of the AUG is that you will find its figs in the World Ocean

              This was before the era of reconnaissance satellites.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 25 New
              +2
              Quote: 5-9
              In the middle of this warrant, the subplotted ones pop up ..

              And how many combat-ready ICAPLs are at the Pacific Fleet? One? Or two?
              1. 5-9
                5-9 13 July 2020 15: 38 New
                -3
                And what does the Pacific Fleet and its ICAPL have to do with it? It was about AUG ...
                Enough of these mental exercises and fights of an elephant with a whale, we will destroy AUG at the base of nuclear weapons or RCC with nuclear weapons
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 13 July 2020 17: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 5-9
                  And what does the Pacific Fleet and its ICAPL have to do with it? It was about AUG ...
                  Enough of these mental exercises and fights of an elephant with a whale, we will destroy AUG at the base of nuclear weapons or RCC with nuclear weapons

                  Well, it’s about KTOF and, accordingly, about the Pacific region of the database ...
                  1. 5-9
                    5-9 13 July 2020 18: 08 New
                    -2
                    And what about Japanese undersupply? With exterminatus, it doesn’t reach mtsapl ...
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 13 July 2020 17: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Only the place is covered by a "multilayer" air defense

          do not tell WHAT? There nichre nothing layered since the time after the collapse of the Union.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 13 July 2020 10: 31 New
        0
        With the range of the Fu-35V, this is also not a problem.
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 13 July 2020 12: 48 New
        0
        Believe me, with modern methods of satellite reconnaissance, tracking such hefty sheds is not particularly difficult. Moreover, to strike, they will have to approach a dangerously close distance for them. Because Ф - 35, in the vertical take-off mode it has a very small radius of action.
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 July 2020 14: 44 New
          -1
          And let me not believe it.
          For a whole range of reasons.
          Starting from the fact that low-orbit satellites are within the reach of cm3 missiles of escort destroyers, the radars on the satellite are low-power and simply being squeezed, the orbits of the satellites are known and ending with the fact that the information arrives in Moscow and until the launch reaches the ship, the aircraft carrier will be far away.
          And f-35, by the way, takes off horizontally, sits vertically
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 13 July 2020 22: 24 New
            +1
            The information will reach Moscow instantly - and the answer will be instantly sink all Japanese warships in the event of their aircraft attacking our military facilities or territory - we’ll test the dagger in practice.
          2. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 14 July 2020 18: 01 New
            0
            The first downed satellite, can entail a "thank you very much" in the form of "calibers" and "daggers". On Japanese troughs there are no catapults, no jumps. How is horizontal take-off ensured?
            1. Avior
              Avior 14 July 2020 18: 03 New
              -2
              F-35v, like Harrier or Yak-38 are able to take off from a shortened run horizontally without a springboard.
              Before take-off, nozzles are turned at an angle
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 14 July 2020 18: 06 New
                0
                Yeah, that’s why the British on the “Invincibles” had a springboard to take off from a short run.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 14 July 2020 18: 09 New
                  -2
                  Yes, it's easier
                  But on American UDC it’s not there, flat deck
                  It’s more convenient to base helicopters if necessary
                  As a rule, Americans are an exception, but soars without it
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 14 July 2020 18: 11 New
                    0
                    UDC no one sets the task of "capturing air superiority in this particular area."
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 14 July 2020 18: 19 New
                      -2
                      Anything can happen
                      If there is a problem, but there is no aircraft carrier, then they will be deployed, if technically possible
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 14 July 2020 18: 28 New
                        0
                        The first time I hear this. At least for the mattresses, it is clearly stated that the UDC carries out the landing and fire support of the landing. Everything else is not his problem.
                2. Avior
                  Avior 14 July 2020 18: 12 New
                  -2
                  https://topwar.ru/124299-desantnyy-korabl-uosp-stanet-pervoy-peredvizhnoy-morskoy-bazoy-f-35b.html
                  There video
                  Lowers engine nozzles before take-off
                  Sometimes before acceleration, sometimes just before the separation, you can see
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 14 July 2020 18: 14 New
                    0
                    I do not argue that, purely theoretically, this is possible, although there is a mass of "BUT". I'm talking about how much the payload is reduced, with a vertical start.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 14 July 2020 18: 15 New
                      -2
                      When strictly vertical, it is reduced, but it is usually used in the air defense version, the load there is not very large, the explosives are not the heaviest
                      But this is an exception, usually take off horizontally, with or without a springboard
                      And they sit down vertically, fuel has already been exhausted, the plane is lighter
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 14 July 2020 18: 26 New
                        0
                        So, for this, they came up with a springboard to facilitate the take-off of VTOL aircraft, but the Japanese do not. And what they are going to do with this problem is not yet clear. Any of the two well-known options is firstly time, and secondly money.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 14 July 2020 18: 41 New
                        -2
                        As far as I know / are going to bet
                        Sorry, I didn’t immediately understand air superiority.
                        I do not think that the springboard somehow significantly affects such opportunities.
                        At least temporarily calmly can do
  4. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 13 July 2020 10: 44 New
    0
    While on the South Kuril Islands deployed duty link Su-35
  • Africaner79
    Africaner79 13 July 2020 07: 09 New
    +2
    We need an aircraft carrier, and preferably two for the Pacific Fleet
    1. sd000016
      sd000016 13 July 2020 08: 06 New
      +2
      In order to catch poachers in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 July 2020 08: 09 New
      +5
      No money, you hold on there.
    3. boss
      boss 13 July 2020 10: 51 New
      -1
      Three, better than 3 aircraft carriers and a decent order for everyone.
      Enough is enough, huh?
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 13 July 2020 07: 25 New
    -2
    Japan has always had the strongest Navy in the world, and so space in general
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 July 2020 08: 10 New
      +2
      Well, they are not the strongest in the world. But one of the strongest in the Asia-Pacific - quite a yes.
      1. Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
        Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 13 July 2020 08: 29 New
        -5
        If we take into account how much they ordered and already have F-35s, plus F-15s, they will crush us both at sea and in the air, the islands will be taken away at once, and our bases are further and significant, only nuclear weapons remain, but its application you need to have the will
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 July 2020 08: 50 New
          -1
          If they are so cool, then what about the moaning about the islands? The gut is thin to decide to take away? Not so simple.
          Naval landings have always been distinguished by large losses of attackers. So it was in 1, and 2 world. But then there were no rockets. Now any landing, this is the risk of being destroyed, barely appearing on the horizon. The depth of the theater reaches hundreds of kilometers. Before the Japanese deployed an attack force, all intelligence means will already be directed at it. With the transfer of coordinates of targets to strike units of missile, navy and aviation. These Izumo will go to the bottom first, the goal is large, comfortable, and no cover by the cruisers will help.
          The breakthrough of our air defense will also cost the Japanese large losses of aircraft. Are they ready for this?
          only nuclear weapons remain, but their application requires the will to have

          If somehow they suppress our air defense, cause catastrophic damage to the Pacific Fleet, nothing will remain. I doubt that the blow will be on Tokyo or other cities, but the military and navy are guaranteed.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 13 July 2020 10: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
          they will crush us both in the sea and in the air, the islands will take away

          Keep the white flag in an accessible place? laughing
    2. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 13 July 2020 10: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
      Japan has always had the strongest Navy in the world

      It never happened.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        It never happened.

        ... and here again! © smile
        Sorry, could not resist.
        Seriously, IJN was probably in the top five during WWII, and already in the top three in WWII.
    3. Georg21
      Georg21 13 July 2020 17: 47 New
      0
      No, they’ve also had space in the Second World War.
  • Hydrography Bay Golden Horn
    Hydrography Bay Golden Horn 13 July 2020 07: 26 New
    0
    Russia needs more air force in this direction
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 July 2020 07: 30 New
    +4
    Here, for some reason, the Japanese also make acquire full-fledged aircraft carriers, without desalinization they are needed or not!
    1. sd000016
      sd000016 13 July 2020 08: 10 New
      0
      The shipbuilding industry is underloaded. It is necessary to protect personnel, competencies, technological capabilities.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 July 2020 10: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Here, for some reason, the Japanese also make acquire full-fledged aircraft carriers, without desalinization they are needed or not!

      Compare the territory of Japan and the territory of Russia. Where can they disperse their aircraft except at sea?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 July 2020 07: 32 New
    +2
    Are they again going to make striped competition in the Pacific?
    1. Vasya Zyuzkin
      Vasya Zyuzkin 13 July 2020 07: 44 New
      +2
      I think the states allowed them that the allies should be against China.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 13 July 2020 07: 49 New
        -1
        Yes, the Chinese will multiply them by zero for their attitude to themselves in the process of history.
        1. Vasya Zyuzkin
          Vasya Zyuzkin 13 July 2020 07: 52 New
          +5
          Chinese? History has shown that the Japanese multiplied them by zero as they wanted.
          And if it were not for the USSR, it is not known what would remain of the Chinese. And the Japanese dreams of the continent have not gone away.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 13 July 2020 07: 53 New
            0
            Those days are over or you don’t notice anything around. Now even the striped ones are afraid of contacting the Chinese.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 July 2020 08: 56 New
              -3
              Quote: Ros 56
              Those days are over or you don’t notice anything around. Now even the striped ones are afraid of contacting the Chinese.

              Why is this?)) Due to the fact that the Chinese built ships designed in the USSR and how old they were for 40 years?))
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 13 July 2020 15: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: Grazdanin
                Why is this?)) Due to the fact that the Chinese built ships designed in the USSR and how old they were for 40 years?))

                I would like to live in the USSR, which could design this:

                Well, or at least this:
          2. Cristall
            Cristall 13 July 2020 08: 05 New
            -5
            Quote: Vasya Zyuzkin
            And if it were not for the USSR, it is not known what would remain of the Chinese. And the Japanese dreams of the continent have not gone away.

            many Chinese multiplied and they multiplied many.
            The heyday of decline.
            Japan is a marine island country. She is prescribed to own.
            1. Grazdanin
              Grazdanin 13 July 2020 08: 41 New
              +2
              They usually multiplied by zero
              1. Cristall
                Cristall 13 July 2020 09: 07 New
                -2
                Quote: Grazdanin
                They usually multiplied by zero

                Yes, this cheerful East Asian trinity know how many fought among themselves?
                (Korea, Japan, China)
                they have their own rattles of millennial wars and conflicts.
                1. Grazdanin
                  Grazdanin 13 July 2020 09: 11 New
                  +1
                  I know :) little lovers of genocides.
                2. Vasya Zyuzkin
                  Vasya Zyuzkin 13 July 2020 13: 16 New
                  0
                  And striped profitable that they continue to actively engage in this.
                  If you look, striped ears stick out from any conflict of the last century.
                  Who supplies strike weapons to Japan? Penguin is not a defensive complex. Not an interceptor. And its basing on the carrier is the creation of a full-fledged AUG.
                  1. Grazdanin
                    Grazdanin 13 July 2020 16: 03 New
                    0
                    Who cares who supplies? The United States will not deliver from others or buy it.
  • Grazdanin
    Grazdanin 13 July 2020 08: 42 New
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    Well, we are waiting for a full-fledged aircraft carrier. To him, just 5ka of its development will arrive in time.
  • Gloomy skeptic
    Gloomy skeptic 13 July 2020 08: 51 New
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    The Japanese, like the Germans, NEVER, nor did they know how, think strategically. Everyone rushed for the immediate result. True they say: Learn the history of the past and only there you will find ALL answers about your future. Why did occupied Japan aircraft carriers? Fight the Philippines? Yes, any hint of aggression from the Japanese, the Chinese will simply stop loading Japanese steamers in all their ports and in a week a complete lack of RESOURCES will begin in Japan, ALL of them. This already happened in the beginning of 2000, when some minor border conflict over some uninhabited islands, the Chinese only Paused the loading of Japanese tankers and Japan stopped rattling iron in a day.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 July 2020 09: 09 New
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    Bad news. The Yapis forgot the results of the Second World War. The Chinese will cut off rice and oil and that's it. Amateurs walk on a rake !!!
    1. Avior
      Avior 13 July 2020 10: 08 New
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      just not forgotten. They are now friends with the States.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 13 July 2020 10: 10 New
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        It seems that Yapis are forbidden to have aircraft carriers?
        1. Avior
          Avior 13 July 2020 10: 26 New
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          a little harder
          The ninth article of the Constitution of Japan is a legal norm enshrined in the Japanese Constitution of 1947, which proclaims the state’s refusal of war as a way to resolve international disputes and, as a result, from creating its own ground forces, navy and air force.

          “Article 9. Sincerely striving for international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounces war as the sovereign right of the nation, as well as the threat or use of armed force as a means of resolving international disputes.
          To achieve the goal specified in the previous paragraph, ground forces, naval and air forces, as well as other means of war, will never be created again. The right to wage war by a state is not recognized.

          but they are flexible, especially recently, with a broad interpretation
          On July 1, 2014, Shinzo Abe's Cabinet of Ministers adopted Resolution [2], which reinterprets Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. In particular, according to this resolution, Japan has the right to the so-called “collective self-defense” and can use the Self-Defense Forces not only in the event of an armed attack on Japan, but also in the case of attacks on countries with which Japan maintains close ties, and in case of serious the threat of such an attack. On September 19, 2015, the Japanese parliament allowed the use of the Self-Defense Forces to participate in military conflicts abroad.

          In May 2017, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe set a deadline for revision of Article 9 of the Constitution until 2020, which would legitimize the Japanese Self-Defense Forces.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 July 2020 14: 54 New
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      Quote: tralflot1832
      Yapis forgot the outcome of World War II. The Chinese cut off from rice and oil
      Yapi then remember the results of World War II. But where does the Chinese? Yapov was defeated by the Americans at sea and the Soviet army in Manchuria.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 13 July 2020 09: 14 New
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    In the current environment, Tokyo believes that it is no longer obliged to follow a post-war strategy.

    Not in 1945, not in the "current conditions" of Tokyo does not solve anything. The Americans sold the F35 and gave the green light to the modernization of helicopter carriers, mainly for pressure on the east of Russia.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 July 2020 10: 49 New
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      Quote: Doccor18
      mainly for pressure on the east of Russia.

      Rather, to China. In that region, for the Yankees, the Chinese are now the main hemorrhoids.
  • 5-9
    5-9 13 July 2020 09: 46 New
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    Japan is in a strategic impasse, if the US crowds in the Western Hemisphere, then they are kirdyk (if they do not quickly and humbly fall under us) ... both Koreans and Chinese hate them fiercely ... the only thing that can unite 2 Koreas and 2 China is "Let's fight Japan." And without pupping, Great Egain somehow does not imply the import of consumer goods from Japan. In the country there are no resources and even enough food, without world trade - kirdyk. They need to protect ocean communications .... and some here write about the islands ... really, during the military construction, the Japanese do not think about them
  • A1845
    A1845 13 July 2020 10: 45 New
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    Tokyo began transforming the first two Japanese Izumo-type helicopter carriers into aircraft carriers
    aircraft carrier loudly said
  • kamui91
    kamui91 13 July 2020 11: 28 New
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    It's time.
    Better yet, lay a full-fledged aircraft carrier under the F35c.
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 13 July 2020 15: 24 New
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    Japan returns to aircraft carriers
    - as expected. sad
  • Georg21
    Georg21 13 July 2020 17: 35 New
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    Japon and now it can land even with a ceremonial march even in Chukotka .... there is nothing to answer them with except nuclear weapons. Aviation and air defense will be connected. The “partners” will not give us anything to transfer from the west, creating tension on the western borders. (As it was in 1904-5gg). So, probably only the genetic memory of Hiroshima holds the Japs ....
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2020 22: 38 New
      +1
      In the Far East, there are coastal anti-ship missiles of ground-based surface and air-based OTRK Iskander can also work on surface targets, if necessary, they will attract strategic aviation, and it will bring down more than 800 cruise missiles in conventional equipment to Japan - and Russia should not ask any partners in this plan will not yes they themselves will not do anything - they fuck it. But the Japanese are far from all suicides - they will therefore not attack either tomorrow or after tomorrow or in the very distant future.
  • megadeth
    megadeth 13 July 2020 17: 45 New
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    I don’t remember exactly, but according to the results of World War II ... they have limitations on the number and equipment of the army, as well as on offensive weapons !!! ???
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 July 2020 22: 26 New
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      They already put a hell of a damn on all these restrictions after 75 years.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 13 July 2020 17: 54 New
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    I am surprised from our authorities, from our Foreign Ministry. Why are we negotiating with them? After all, they do not just come on an excursion, they need islands. First of all, based on the adopted amendments to the Constitution, any such negotiations on the alienation of the territory are already state ones. treason. And then. Why only Russia should follow only its promises, but has Tokyo forgotten about it? It will completely get rid of foreign military bases, only small Self-Defense Forces, etc.
    I think attack aircraft carriers are not a means of defense. They would have sent them and would not have been allowed into Moscow.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 13 July 2020 18: 00 New
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    Quote: Georg21
    Japon and now it can land even with a ceremonial march even in Chukotka .... there is nothing to answer them with except nuclear weapons. Aviation and air defense will be connected. The “partners” will not give us anything to transfer from the west, creating tension on the western borders. (As it was in 1904-5gg). So, probably only the genetic memory of Hiroshima holds the Japs ....

    Nuclear weapons cost us a lot of money. And to respond to all local threats with conventional weapons is not enough of any budget. Let it threaten EVERYTHING, it was created for that. hi
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 14 July 2020 09: 17 New
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    here it is proof of the aggressive plans of the Japanese militarists ..., the aircraft carrier is a weapon of aggression, .... the Americans deceived Stalin and did not give the USSR half of Hokaido to which our country has all rights, this is the territory of ethnic Ainu who suffered genocide in Japan, but those saved by Russia, Ainu must return their land. The Americans violated their promise to transfer half of Hokaido to the USSR and, to prove their firmness in that matter, launched a nuclear strike on two peaceful Japanese cities, the American president said "we have a club for these guys." The peace treaty with Japan should include no less than transferring to Russia as the legal successor of the USSR the entire coastal strip of Hokaido overlooking the Sea of ​​Okhotsk ....
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 14 July 2020 09: 30 New
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp22_BHJDJk
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 July 2020 18: 48 New
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      Unfortunately, the Americans promised only Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands
      And after the USSR did not sign the peace treaty, they also refused this promise, making a special subscript at ratification
  • Eskobar
    Eskobar 14 July 2020 09: 52 New
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    History repeats itself. Before the Second World War, the Japanese launched heavy cruisers with weapons typical of light -155 mm cannons, with the expectation of their quick replacement, in which case by 203 mm. And here - they built an innocuous landing transport, and remade it into an attack ship.