Clash took place on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan

An armed clash occurred around noon on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border, reported dead and wounded. Each side accuses the other of escalating the armed conflict.

According to the Azerbaijani side, the units of the Armenian armed forces bombarded the positions of the Azerbaijani army, after which a battle broke out in this sector, during which the Armenian troops retreated. Losses reported on both sides.

(...) the units of the Armenian armed forces, grossly violating the ceasefire on the site of the Tovuz region of the Azerbaijani-Armenian state border, fired on our positions from artillery installations. There are losses on both sides. Currently, there are fights in this direction. (...) As a result of the fighting, the Azerbaijani side lost two troops, five were injured. As a result of adequate measures, the enemy suffered losses and retreated

- said the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.

In turn, the Armenian side accused the Azerbaijani military of trying to violate the state border. According to Yerevan, the Azerbaijani army in an UAZ car tried to violate the state border, but after the retreat they subjected the positions of the Armenian armed forces to shelling. It is alleged that there are losses only from the armed forces of Azerbaijan, no losses from the Armenian army.

Today, at 12.30, Azerbaijani forces, for reasons unknown to us, tried to violate the state border of Armenia in the direction of the Tavush region using an UAZ car. After the warnings of the Armenian side, the Azerbaijani troops, having left the car, returned to their positions. After that, the Azerbaijani military again attempted to seize the Armenian position by shelling it.

- the Ministry of Defense of Armenia said in a statement.

Recall that the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan has been going on for a long time because of the disputed territories of Nagorno-Karabakh. Earlier, the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry stated that one should speak with Armenia "only in the language of force."

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

It never happened, and suddenly again ... irreconcilable contradictions. Not an inch of land will not yield to each other. Only under the USSR did special services somehow keep all these contradictions in check. Well, RI knew how to pacify them and did not let out. Cutting into national republics had far-reaching consequences. Observed now. Lenin's mistake? IMHO, unique.

[Grazdanin]

Without this cut nat. republics did not support the Bolsheviks. This decision allowed the creation of the USSR, otherwise the Republic of Ingushetia simply fell apart into a number of states.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Grazdanin

Without this cut nat. republics did not support the Bolsheviks.

You probably have good reason to think so?
The right to exit was enshrined in the Constitution of 1924 - then the relevance of the issue of collapse into parts for Russia was no longer at all acute.
Moreover, the Soviet authorities could later change this state of affairs, there were plenty of convenient moments for this, but everything not only remained in their places, but even worsened - the republics received more and more autonomy from the center (only the decentralization of the internal power organs of which cost), they were anesthetized from the RSFSR with more and more new territories.

[Kronos]

Local authority is right. Much better than you are completely dependent on central authority

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Kronos

Local authority is right

This is a definite path to collapse. The specific prince, having received a hint of accountability to the center, will strive in every way to preserve and increase this freedom. Who and when loved that his bosses controlled him?
Thus, you think the collapse of our country is the right thing. You, it turns out, is the enemy of our country.

[Kronos]

European countries, for example, are decentralized with broad powers among the regions, as it did not fall apart

[sedoj]

Quote: Kronos

European countries, for example, are decentralized with broad powers among the regions, as it did not fall apart

In the European countries, such an economic bridle has been thrown that they should not even stutter. Britain is an example. It stood at the origins of the European common market. Now trying to get out, but financial issues have not yet been resolved. About other countries, except Germany and France, there is no discussion at all. The fight for markets.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Grazdanin

Without this cut nat. republics did not support the Bolsheviks. This decision allowed the creation of the USSR, otherwise the Republic of Ingushetia simply fell apart into a number of states.

The development of Soviet Russia - the first socialist in the world. State was twofold - CONFLICT - character.

On the one hand, Russian people, who believed in the communist. the idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and. being the carrier of HOLD, rather than a small-town-suburban national mentality, on all fronts is public. building really built up socialism in the framework of the whole country as its whole multinational. Homeland. In principle, he had nothing left to do.
But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former royal nat. outskirts, where feudal relations and own nat prevailed. the proletariat was absent (there were no carriers of the proletarian mentality there), power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control received the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords.
National industry was built by the hands of Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
At the same time, everything that was created was truly a national council over the years. power in the once backward tsarist nat. in the outskirts - it is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.).
This nat. The party and Soviet bureaucracy and the intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to those who, in their opinion, came to “hunch the Russians” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev “new thinking”.

TOTAL National problems in the USSR were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. And the counter-bourgeois coup of 1991 in the USSR as a whole only raised national bourgeois deformations that had already taken place from the bottom to the surface during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.

[Grazdanin]

Learn to write in human terms, at least someone can read.

[boss]

Tatyana, you are right.
But the fact that the USSR went astray from Marxism-Leninism was not hushed up, after the death of Stalin there were speeches by the Chinese comrades on this subject.
The decisions of the congresses of the Communist Party of China were published.

[andrew42]

Tatyana, you are not 5, but 10 points! A magnificent look at the root, and even contrary to Soviet officialdom, but without prejudice to socialist ideology.

[major147]

Quote: Kronos

European countries, for example, are decentralized with broad powers among the regions, as it did not fall apart

For example, Spain ....

[Kronos]

Did Spain fall apart? Catalonia never came out in the end

[major147]

Quote: Kronos

Catalonia never came out in the end

And why? Because all their "powers" are fiction. And the referendum did not help ...

[Kronos]

This is a good example of the fact that the stories about the collapse of the USSR due to crap laws for fools. If there is a purpose and will, the presence or absence of a law is not a hindrance

[major147]

Quote: Kronos

If there is a purpose and will, the presence or absence of a law is not a hindrance

I agree.

[Grazdanin]

At a referendum 70% supported the preservation of the USSR :)

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Kronos

Did Spain fall apart?

Spain is a monarchy. What kind of decentralization are you talking about?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Kronos

European countries for example decentralized with broad powers

Before you carry your thoughts to the public, it would be nice if you could unlearn anew at school. Most European countries are republics. Russia is a federation. Does this tell you anything?
Although what I’m talking about, what to study about before learning, we are on the Internet ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Most European countries are republics

Corrected, corrected - unitary state.
The meaning is the same. Decentralization is about us, but not about Europe.

[demo]

Basque country is an example for you.
Autonomous community in the Kingdom of Spain.
Well, where are those who provoked the rebellion now?
In prison.
The Basques were made clear that the collapse of Spain would not be allowed. Even if you have to break all the laws right away.
And the EU silently supported Spain.
For there are a lot of similar enclaves in the EU.
Set a precedent and an avalanche will go, you won’t stop it.
This is in our country in the Russian Federation and countries of the former republics - the right is given to self-determination.
And they can’t.

[Vlad.by]

Quote: Kronos
European countries for example decentralized with broad powers

So it's not evening yet In any case, for the EU. And actually the countries of Europe are not even decentralized at all. So what, that formally Bavaria is a separate state within Germany? Even with the relatively weak chancellor in the person of Merkel, Bavaria, in principle, cannot utter a shout against the center on serious issues. She has only small things at the mercy.
In Italy and France, the cantons do not decide anything at all.
In Spain, there has recently been a revealing flogging of Catalonia.
Well, where is their decentralization with broad powers ??

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: Kronos

Local authority is right

This is a definite path to collapse. The specific prince, having received a hint of accountability to the center, will strive in every way to preserve and increase this freedom. Who and when loved that his bosses controlled him?
Thus, you think the collapse of our country is the right thing. You, it turns out, is the enemy of our country.

You somehow confuse and combine incompatible "Local powers" and "Appanage prince" are from different universes !!!
The Central Authority should NOT control, for example, the work of the janitors to sweep the territory of the adjoining house !!! But the "Udelny princek" should do just that - this is his field of activity !!! And so that the "appanage prince" does not become them in nature - this is the concern of the Power for its people)))

[Prisoner]

Definitely for local princes, and for whom else?

[brat07]

Quote: Kronos

Local authority is right. Much better than you are completely dependent on central authority

Just not for Russia. IMHO.

[tatra]

Well, yes, as soon as Gorbachev gave freedom to the enemies of the Communists, they immediately began to unleash wars both on the territory of the USSR and in Eastern Europe, neither the enemies of the Communists, nor the Bolsheviks are communists. Anti-Soviet propaganda = this is the justification of the crimes of the enemies of the Communists during the Soviet era and after the capture of the USSR.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: tatra

enemies of the communists

LDPR?

[tatra]

What is LDPR? LDPR are exactly the same enemies of the Communists as everyone else in the territory of the USSR they seized.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: tatra

LDPR are exactly the same enemies of the Communists as everyone else

Including the Communist Party?

[Camel]

Yes! They are the first enemies, for they were reborn! Even the Liberal Democratic Party and Democrats are not such enemies, although they do not paint themselves red, but speak directly about their intended goals and methods of achieving them. The decision of the people to accept or reject them (the Liberal Democratic Party and all kinds of democrats), but the Communist Party of the Russian Federation hides behind a "communist" ideology despite the fact that it solves its purely capitalist tasks.

[Smolin]

In the days of Lenin were laid the foundations of the Great State and these fundamentals were to create Equal National Republics in which reigned the Brotherhood of Nations called -Soviet People.Thanks precisely to this ideology. Soviet people,- where Russian, Azerbaijani, Georgian, Armenian and Ukrainian stood shoulder to shoulder like Soviet people they stood during Great Patriotic War !

[Alex777]

In the Russian Empire there were equal provinces ...

[Smolin]

Empire definition not compatible with the concept equality.
Modern political science considers the Empire (lat. Imperium - power, domination), as:
A monarchical state led by an emperor (for example, the Russian Empire);
A complex state device consisting of a metropolis (Greek meter - mother and polis - city) - the central part of the state and colonies (lat, colonia - settlement), subordinate to the central government of states.
Whoever criticizes right now Great Lenin for allegedly his mistakes in creating the USSR, he himself took part in the collapse of this Great State carrying a suitcase behind by the measure of Peter Sobchak.
And when luggage carrier got unlimited power, he imagines himself Great Emperor - Collector of Russian Lands squeezing the cellar from my grandmother.
And to stay in power for lifeluggage carrier remembered the rotten ideology of the Empire, which was still in October 1917 destroyed The Great Socialist Revolution.

[Alex777]

You still tell how the Winter Palace was stormed.
About Kerensky in women's clothing ...
About Trotsky, who made this revolution, and about his fate.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Smolin

In Lenin's time, the foundations of the Great State were laid

The foundations of the Great State at that time were only partially modernized, so to speak. And they were laid for centuries. And not in the Kremlin but in the Winter.

Quote: Smolin

Equal National Republics

Equal citizens - understandably. But what does equal-equal republics mean? This is when the authorities of all republics have equal rights before each other? The people for the rights of the authorities did a revolution, did they? And this we already had, by the way, fragmentation into principality.

In Russia there was a problem that the Finns, Circassians and other "aliens" had more freedoms than the Russian Vanka serf. The presence of lesser freedoms for the rulers of the Finns, etc. Contrary to the rulers of Russia itself, it has never been a problem; on the contrary, this is the essence, a necessary condition for the country's existence.

[Smolin]

The foundations of the Great State at that time were only partially modernized,

No - The foundations of the past state of the Russian Empire were completely destroyed by the Great October Socialist Revolution, and the world's first Socialist State was built on the ruins of the old world.

In Russia, it was a problem that the Finns, Circassians and other "aliens" had more freedoms than the Russian than the Russian Vanka

And how do you assess the current state of affairs under Putinism?
Who has more freedoms Chechens in Moscow or Russian Vanka? I'm not talking about Chechnya itself. Where in the USSR there were 60% of Russians, but now there is absolutely no

This is when the authorities of all republics have equal rights before each other?

Do you think that under Putinism, the governor of the Khabarovsk Territory (originally Russian lands with a Russian population) has the same rights as the head of the Chechen Republic?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Smolin

No - The foundations of the past state of the Russian Empire were completely destroyed by the Great October Socialist Revolution

Fundamentals of the state:
- people;
- Earth;
- religion;
- history.

Which of these was destroyed by the revolution?

Quote: Smolin

And how do you assess the current state of affairs under Putinism?

You can read my comments on this subject.

[Romka47]

Fundamentals of the state:
- people;
- Earth;
- religion;
- history.

Which of these was destroyed by the revolution?

Here we can say religion

ps -And why is his name Boris (cut out by censorship)?
-Yes because you get into it (cut out by censorship)!

One of the favorite movie characters

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Romka47

Here we can say religion

Fortunately, you can’t.

Quote: Romka47

One of the favorite movie characters

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

They would have already formed some Transcaucasian Federal Republic with the capital in Nagorno-Karabakh and lived in peace.

[1976AG]

If the world does not want to solve the problem, war is inevitable.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Only under the USSR could special services somehow keep all these contradictions in check

Under the USSR, many of these contradictions were born. Including due to the cutting of borders between the republics on the basis of the incomprehensible personal preferences of our rulers. And here is not only a mistake (mistake?) Of Lenin. Crimea with Donbass, for example, were much after.

[maykl8]

Actually, through Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia is supplied with everything necessary through Iran. And Russian troops fly to Armenia through Nagorno-Karabakh. If Azerbaijanis cut this isthmus, then Armenia will end.

[alexmach]

And Russian troops fly to Armenia through Nagorno-Karabakh

Seriously? And where did they fly to Armenia through Karabakh?

Actually through Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia is supplied with everything necessary through Iran

And through its own bunker with Iran, Armenia will not be supplied in any way? By the way, what is it that they are supplied with from Iran?

[maykl8]

Seriously? And where did they fly to Armenia through Karabakh?

From the Astrakhan region, through the Caspian Sea, in Iran, turn right and here is Armenia. For Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey, Russian planes are not allowed into Armenia.

And through its own bunker with Iran, Armenia will not be supplied in any way? By the way, what is it that they are supplied with from Iran?

Armament goes through Nagorno-Karabakh. Ask the Armenians.

[alexmach]

The information is extremely interesting. But actually, Armenia and Iran have their own border, besides Karabakh.

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Natural gas Iran-Armenia.

[alone]

Quote: maykl8

Actually, through Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia is supplied with everything necessary through Iran.

Armenia has its own border with Iran.

Quote: maykl8

And Russian troops fly to Armenia through Nagorno-Karabakh

You look at the map carefully. How do Russian soldiers get through Armenia to NK? There is generally a no-fly zone

[maykl8]

You look at the map carefully. How do Russian soldiers get through Armenia to NK? There is generally a no-fly zone

Exactly. Azerbaijan’s air defense is lacking. If Azerbaijan takes Karabakh, then air defense will shoot through a narrow isthmus from two sides from Azerbaijan and the Nakhchivan region.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Only under the USSR did special services somehow keep all these contradictions in check.

Do not forget that this "bridle" consisted in the distribution of Russian lands and privileges that were inaccessible to ordinary citizens of the RSFSR.

[Lipchanin]

[quote = Mountain Shooter] the cut into national republics had far-reaching consequences. [/ quote
"Take as much sovereign as you can take away" B.Ye.

[certero]

And what about the special services? Armenians in Azerbaijan lived horseradish mountain, just like Azerbaijanis in Armenia too.

[lubesky]

When I was a schoolboy, I condemned the Brett Peace and the patchwork national policy of the Bolsheviks. Growing up, gaining experience and knowledge, I began to understand that the Bolsheviks easily concluded contracts, but were not at all going to fulfill them. In general, I do not quite agree with Putin that Lenin is entirely responsible for the administrative structure of the USSR. No matter how Putin knows, it is easy to give estimates to historical leaders from the future, having all the knowledge and consequences. Lenin acted in the situation and the logic of the proposed circumstances, in the conditions of the collapse of the four empires, the civil war. So, most likely, objectively, that it was the best decision at that very moment. It is funny that Putin himself spoke of the same thing in Zarubin’s last film — that it seems to the townsfolk that the leader could have made a different decision, but he does not have the fullness of the information and what challenges the country faces, many simply don’t know ...

[Pavel57]

Lenin had opponents with a different territorial division. The collapse of the USSR along the Lenin thread proves the fallacy of this approach.

[lubesky]

Inattentively we read, it became clear much later, and in a situation right then it was probably the best option

[Pavel57]

The logic of Lenin, or his obligations to third parties, is no longer clear to us. But the result is not a plus to his insight.

[lubesky]

Obligations to third parties arise from any sovereign. This is the norm. It is much more interesting how the sovereign acts with such obligations when he begins to be weighed upon them.

[lubesky]

I’m sure that if you had such an opportunity, in a hundred years you would have written that the conservation of the North Caucasus was Putin’s mistake ...

[lubesky]

The collapse of the USSR did not show the fallacy of the Leninist cut, but the complete impotence and betrayal of the party elite

[Pavel57]

The collapse of the USSR showed the failure of the Red Project, if its success depends on the leaders of the state. In fact, from a subjective factor.

[lubesky]

There is nothing to argue about. In a fair and fierce struggle, capitalism turned out to be more competitive. It turned out to be stupidly more cost-effective and survivable. So the collapse of my homeland is a personal tragedy for me, and in historical understanding - an objective constant

[Pavel57]

Quote: lubesky

There is nothing to argue about. In a fair and fierce struggle, capitalism turned out to be more competitive. It turned out to be stupidly more cost-effective and survivable. So the collapse of my homeland is a personal tragedy for me, and in historical understanding - an objective constant

I completely agree here.

[Vadim237]

Lenin had - Alas, there’s nothing of this now, but what we see is that sooner or later, Karabakh will crush Karabakh under itself by putting pressure on the stars of Armenia and it will not be surprisingly a large part of the population of Armenia has long been living in Russia.

[lubesky]

Yes, but to rake this crap for us, not for Armenians and Azerbaijan. Because our borders do not end at the border

[Vadim237]

Russia will not rake anything there; Russia will have a sea of ​​other problems - they themselves will understand on the spot.

[lubesky]

Quote: Vadim237

Russia will not rake anything there; Russia will have a sea of ​​other problems - they themselves will understand on the spot.

A bold assumption, wait and see. Karabakh - this is our problem, for your information, on our borders. Being consistent and rationally thinking, then do not tell us here everyone what problems we solve in the Donbass and Syria? I can imagine what your surprise will be when you find out that we are also dealing with the Libyan problem ...

[DPN]

No mistake B, And, Lenin made. Lenin preserved the territory of the Russian Empire by acquiring its Soviet Republic, and the fact that there were two scoundrels of Gorbachev and Yeltsin who ruined the country and military commanders who did not fulfill their duties, and here V.I. LENIN.? Suppose if the GDP wants to repeat the example of Yeltsin, who will stop him.? YES nobody. Therefore, those who hate Soviet power are blaming Lenin - socialism. In Chile, there was a PINHOCH in the USSR, this was not found, this was the whole trouble and the collapse of the USSR, the people did not want to collapse.
It seemed that Gorbachev brought it to Karabakh, at the beginning of 80 he was in Armenia and Azerbaijan and did not even hear conversations.

[Gloomy skeptic]

What are they sharing there?

[Ghost of reagan]

It is funny to expect peace in regions with frozen conflicts, they are like volcanoes, sooner or later there will be an eruption. And the funny thing is that in the Russian Federation it is naive to believe that the frozen conflicts in the Caucasus and in Ukraine will not be pulled at the wrong time .... Still consider that time is on your side? Oh, a lesson from the USSR does not teach anything ...

[1976AG]

And why did you decide that the leadership naively believes? And your suggestions for solving this problem?

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Reagan's Ghost

And the funniest thing is that in the Russian Federation it is naive to believe that frozen conflicts in the Caucasus and in Ukraine will not be pulled at the wrong time .... Still consider that time is on your side? Oh, a lesson from the USSR does not teach anything ...

Maybe these frozen conflicts are being held in this form, not because they consider this to be some way out, but because, in principle, they see no solution for them at all? However, nothing prevents you from setting forth your own decision for the Armenian-Azerbaijani graters, as well as, for example, for the Palestinian-Israeli ones. We are waiting, sir.

[Pavel57]

Frozen conflicts do not tear themselves, but there are forces that will tear them.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: 013Azer

God, God forbid anyone such enemies of "Fantasy". In life, it cannot be such that our military "On the Oise" rushed to cross their border, On the Oise, damn it !!))

As one well-known character used to say: "Everyone lies (c)"

[Thrifty]

013Azer, there is too much sarcasm in your comment! Do you have Igilovites deployed on your territory? And out of your comment! But in general, are you obviously not inclined to solve the problem peacefully? For a long time massively 200s were not taken out of the battlefield? A thin world is anyway better than such a squabble as between you and the Armenians.

[013Azer]

Thrifty

Do you have Igilovites deployed on your territory?

So I about the fact that in the battles of April 2016 they did not hesitate to pour this dirt. A lot of their media (especially Russian-language ones) were full of such a lie that IG units fought for us! They especially tried to deceive Russian-speaking readers; there are still these info on the Internet that they replicated that year. Here I am now about the fact that this time, in case of a database, they must use this dirty trick.

[uranium]

Why immediately igilovtsy and not the Taliban or the Khmer Rouge

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: 013Azer

In life, it cannot be such that our military "On the Oise" rushed to cross their border, On the Oise, damn it !!))

Why? They tried to attack our border, the Ukrainians on a boat attacked.

[013Azer]

Why? They tried to attack our border, the Ukrainians on a boat attacked.

Yes, on an armored car with weapons on board, it would have been more believable) .. And then a fairy tale about UAZ, and attacking not Karabakh, but the state. border with Armenia - you know, I repeat on an armored boat with weapons it would have sounded more believable.)

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: 013Azer

Yes on an armored boat with weapons on board

This is the fleet. By the standards of the fleet, this vessel is even less "formidable" weapon than the UAZ by the standards of the infantry.

[the finish]

Maybe uuazik generally targeted provocation as a pretext for more widespread action ...?

[Stavros]

It’s not the UAZ business, the command was given to Aliyev from Erdogan, Syria Libya and now on the Armenian-Azeri border, the Turks need to stir up the region, and I think that there will be more large-scale actions. Let's wait for tomorrow, everything will be clear there.

[major147]

Quote: 013Azer

And then a fairy tale about UAZ,

I don’t want to offend anyone, we are all human. Maybe I’m drunk on an UAZ and drove in the wrong place ... and away we go!

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver

Quote: 013Azer

In life, it cannot be such that our military "On the Oise" rushed to cross their border, On the Oise, damn it !!))

Why? They tried to attack our border, the Ukrainians on a boat attacked.

Now, if the APU would be sure that as soon as they cross the border on a boat - this boat will immediately sink - figs they would arrange provocations !!! There are no suicides among them - the belief)))

[Senka naughty]

Quote: Corona without virus

Now, if the APU would be sure that as soon as they cross the border on a boat - this boat will immediately sink - figs they would arrange provocations !!! There are no suicides among them - the belief)))

Even when Crimea was part of Ukraine, its navy could not pass the Kerch Strait, without coordination with Russia, and after the annexation, it is simply a miracle that Russia did not sink military boats in its waters. What was the calculation of the "outskirts of strategists".

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Corona without virus

Now, if the APU would be sure

So these UAZs all survived, as far as I understood, no one was going to kill them (if we proceed from the Armenian statement).

[tim.tim]

First, get banned for "hay". Secondly, you, Seljuk robbers, have become so insolent that you are already climbing into the territory of Armenia. Oh well.

[Nikanet]

Already yelling))

[Cyril G ...]

Quote: Reagan's ghost

Still consider that time is on your side?

What do you think? Certainly not on yours ...

[Yuriy71]

Greetings must be conveyed to Gorbachev, who once said the following - "Nagorno-Karabakh has never been Azerbaijani!" How much blood is on the conscience of this windbag!

[Observer2014]

Quote: Yuriy71

Greetings must be conveyed to Gorbachev, who once said the following - "Nagorno-Karabakh has never been Azerbaijani!" How much blood is on the conscience of this windbag!

True? Well, prove your words.
Listen carefully. Yes wimp. Yes not a speaker. Anyone. But where is the confirmation of your words?
I heard this garbage from Armenians many times.
And from the Georgians that Raisa Maksimovna said that "Georgia is good without Georgians"

[alone]

I can’t say anything good about Gorbachev .. But these events could be suppressed in the bud. .He didn’t do it .. Here and has been going on for 32 years

[Observer2014]

Quote: lonely

I can’t say anything good about Gorbachev .. But these events could be suppressed in the bud. .He didn’t do it .. Here and has been going on for 32 years

And I don't argue with that. I argue with your words. What Gorbachev said: “Nagorno-Karabakh has never been Azerbaijani!” For this is a matter of principle. Do you have proof of his words?

[alone]

Quote: Observer2014

I argue with your words What Gorbachev said: "Nagorno-Karabakh has never been Azerbaijani!"

Man, I didn’t say this or write .. be more attentive please.
P.S. Gorbachev could not say this. This would be a direct violation of the USSR constitution. It was clearly written how one region of a union republic could become part of another republic.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: lonely

This would be a direct violation of the USSR constitution. It was clearly written how one region of a union republic could become part of another republic.

Clearly. Clearly. Only this did not prevent, in violation of this Constitution, transferring Crimea from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR .....

[alone]

Quote: Lara Croft

Only this did not prevent, in violation of this Constitution, transferring Crimea from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR ..

I am talking about the 1978 constitution. I don’t know what was in the 1936 constitution.

[Lara Croft]

[quote = lonely] [quote = Lara Croft] I'm talking about the 1978 constitution. I don't know what was in the 1936 constitution. [/ quote]
You already decide which Constitution you are writing about .... Crimea, as far as I know, was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR until 1978, and secondly, in 1978 the Constitution of the RSFSR was adopted, and not the USSR (1977) ...

[alone]

Quote: Lara Croft

decide what Constitution you are writing about .... Crimea, as far as I know, was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR until 1978, and secondly, in 1978 the Constitution of the RSFSR was adopted, and not the USSR (1977) ...

I’m talking about the USSR’s constitution. I’m mistaken about the year of adoption. Thank you for the amendment. The Crimea was passed in 1954, then the 36th year’s constitution was in force. What was the procedure for transferring under the 36th year’s constitution, I don’t know. But I remember well what was in the Constitution 77 of the year.

[Avior]

In the USSR, the system of official state power was noticeably different from the modern one.
The Supreme Soviet of the USSR was not the legislative, but the highest authority.
All his decisions were automatically legal by definition.
There was no constitutional court; its functions were also performed by the Presidium of the Supreme Council. I had to see references to the Constitution of the USSR in my thoughts, but this is deeply wrong, this is an attempt to extend the modern system to the Soviet one, in the USSR the Constitution was not a direct law, but was manifested through decisions of the Supreme Council and the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet — these were the decisions that were clarified on specific issues, how to understand this or that article of the Constitution or laws is approximately what the Constitutional Court is doing now.

Article 30. The supreme body of state power of the USSR
is the Supreme Council of the USSR.

Article 49. The Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR:
a) convenes sessions of the Supreme Council of the USSR;
b) issues decrees;
c) gives an interpretation of the applicable laws of the USSR; ....

this is for example from the 36 year Constitution, here it is
http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/cnst1936.htm
under the 1977 Constitution, similarly, only the article numbers have changed

Article 108. The supreme body of state power of the USSR
is the Supreme Council of the USSR .....
Article 121. The Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR:
1) call elections to the Supreme Soviet of the USSR;
.....
4) exercises control over compliance with the Constitution of the USSR and
ensures compliance with constitutions and laws of union republics
Constitution and laws of the USSR;
5) gives an interpretation of the laws of the USSR;
.

http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/cnst1977.htm#v
That is, the presence of decisions of the Armed Forces and the Presidium of the Armed Forces on the Soviet system of power is automatically a legitimate decision and has the highest power. Please note, in fact, it is the decision of the Supreme Council, not the Constitution.
Gorbachev personally did not have the right to such decisions, no matter what position he held.
Like Khrushchev, by the way.
Gorbachev liked to talk, I remember that
On USSR issues, if you want to be convinced of the legality of a solution, you need to look for 2 documents
1. The decision of the Armed Forces as a document of higher power in the country. If there is such a decision, it is automatically legal, such was the system of power.
2. If in doubt, this is if you think that there are differences between the various decisions of the Supreme Court or the Constitution or laws, then you need to look at the decision on this issue of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet, since it was the Presidium that had the right to interpret the laws.
If there are two essentially identical documents, this is a guarantee of the legality of the decision.

[Observer2014]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Observer2014

I argue with your words What Gorbachev said: "Nagorno-Karabakh has never been Azerbaijani!"

Man, I didn’t say this or write .. be more attentive please.
P.S. Gorbachev could not say this. This would be a direct violation of the USSR constitution. It was clearly written how one region of a union republic could become part of another republic.

I'm sorry, I was not observant And you just confused with Yuriy71 (Yuri) We consider it a typo.

[alone]

Quote: Observer2014

I'm sorry, I was not observant

It happens.

[Observer2014]

Quote: lonely

Quote: Observer2014

I'm sorry, I was not observant

It happens.

[DTM]

Sense for us (Armenians) to aggravate the situation!? We have achieved our own. But Aliyev with his problems - yes!

[alone]

Pashinyan has big problems and wants to distract the people by escalating on the border. He promised mountains, and now he don’t know how to get out of the well .. So do not need these phrases "Why do we need" here.

[DTM]

Quote: lonely

Pashinyan has big problems.

Here is the news !!)) Do not tell me, the citizen of Armenia about the big problems))).

Quote: lonely

He promised the mountains, and now don’t know how to get out of the well

What he promised fulfills !! You can continue to believe Solovyov and Kiselev !!

[alone]

Quote: DTM

What he promised fulfills !! You can continue to believe Solovyov and Kiselev !!

I'm still fine with my head

[alone]

Quote: DTM

Here is the news !!)) Do not tell me, the citizen of Armenia about the big problems))).

Oh well .. Already in the oil ride, but we did not know

[Stavros]

Tovarischa under the nickname "lonely" is a famous Kara Koyunluk Internet warrior, he believes Ilham and Mehrebani more)

[Alkatrass A]

Pashinyan is just fine. The people love and respect him, and he does not rob his people. He would agree to free lessons with Olive, he needs it

[Oquzyurd]

"We have achieved our goal. Our Artsakh!" Yeah, occupied. But we will return, do not doubt. While listening to the "peacemakers" who didn’t fucking reconcile anything. Dragging out time, they laid the foundation for a more tough war, which is inevitable.

[Oquzyurd]

...................

[alone]

Quote: DTM

Nakhichevan, Shaumyan, Artsvashen, Kazakh - we will return, and I have no doubt

Only watch your belly button, and you can tear yourself

[svoit]

We must fight for people, and not for the territory, everyone who wanted to go where they had already left, or put up with it and already did not want anything. Here, as with the Donbass, I already doubt that the inhabitants of the occupied Ukraine were not accustomed to the occupation and are eager to enter LDNR.

[tim.tim]

Karabakh has already been returned, it remains to return Nakhijevan and Gandzak.

[Alkatrass A]

Not occupied, but returned. You will never understand

[alone]

The official version of the Armenian Defense Ministry is somewhat strange.
1) There, the terrain does not allow to violate the border with the UAZ. Mountains, few roads, you can get lost, but not with UAZ.
2) If you grab a post, why do it at the border? In this direction, ours are sitting at the heights of the very border.
3) From an operational point of view, promotion there does not make sense for a number of reasons. Firstly, these posts are of no value. To. Armenians are also sitting heights in their second line. He went down and turned into a target.
4) And most importantly. As soon as we cross the border, the CSTO intervenes. So we don’t need it at all.

[DTM]

Quote: lonely

And most importantly, as soon as we cross the border, the CSTO intervenes. So we don’t need it at all.

CSTO - political miscarriage! Do not even comment on this incident!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: lonely

why do it at the border?

Provocation?

[alone]

Well, who will carry out sabotage in the highlands at noon, also with UAZ?

[alone]

Quote: DTM

It's true

You forgot the Papuans, Martians and Saddam Hussein. . How old are you, dear?

[alone]

Actually, I asked a question about your age. Did you fight then?
Is it that they sent us 10 Il-76 weapons from Rostov every day? There was no Khattab in Karabakh. There was no clean water. Shamanov was with his regiment in Abkhazia. A couple of Ukrainians took the military oath of Azerbaijan and remained to serve with us somehow turned into a whole Ukraine. You have delusions of grandeur. took advantage of the moment of the political crisis and won the battle, not the war. The war continues until there is no final agreement

[alone]

If the 104th Airborne Division I fought for us, your spirit even in Yerevan was not.

[Alkatrass A]

If we would not be stopped, then on the map such a state as Azerbaijan would cease to exist

[Stavros]

You’re lying there. Basayev and the Khattab met in Karabakh when they fought for you. Then they went to the Russian guys to chop heads together. I understand you really want to hide it, but it is a fact. As for Shamanov, you ask why he was awarded your order. About the gang of a Hekmatyar from Afghanistan, it makes no sense to write, all these facts have long been established by Russian intelligence. So go read the best poems Leila.

[Nastia makarova]

Basayev fought in Abkhazia

[Vadim237]

You tell their kamikaze drones that they will fly into your trenches of checkpoints and equipment in the event of an aggravation of the conflict.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: lonely

sabotage

I have it written "provocation"

[svoit]

When there is tension at the border, it will certainly work. There may be different reasons for crossing the border, and not all of them are planned in advance by the command. Well, sorted out a bit, or an argument, or maybe they decided to desert.

[alone]

Quote: DTM

Destroyed UAZ in neutral territory!

So, according to the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, the UAZ was allegedly left after the warning and the soldiers departed, and now this UAZ is destroyed. In general, it seems that he turned over. The racks are dented, the car did not burn out. Smart, why did you spoil the car empty?

[NF68]

Everyone cannot calm down.

[tim.tim]

That you say thanks to your GDP. He shoved the Turks offensive weapons at $ 5 billion. And what do you think, the Turks will scare the sparrows with these weapons?

God gave the allies.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: tim.tim

God gave the allies

You do not forget to thank Him for this in the mornings and evenings. Without us, there would be no Armenia.

[tim.tim]

Oh yes, I forgot.

I just can’t forget that this particular Russia, in the name of the crazy ideas of the world revolution, SOLD 9/10 Armenia to stinky Turkey. This is despite the fact that during every Russo-Turkish war, Armenians ALWAYS stood on the side of Russia, fighting for it, seeing it as the only defender. But for some reason, Russia every time betrayed the Armenians, leaving them face to face with the bloodsuckers of the Turks.

Next time, learn some history, "Academician" Boris Razor.

[uranium]

Well, as if using you for their own purposes and then forget about you.
you have such a fate what to do)

[tim.tim]

Funny huh? don't gut your guts

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

Russia everytime betrayed the Armenians, leaving them face to face with the bloodsuckers of the Turks.

If only Russia ONCE betrayed you "orphans", then you would not broadcast here ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

God gave the allies.

Find others, do you conduct exercises with NATO for nothing ...

[tim.tim]

Seriously? Where and when were the exercises of Armenia with NATO? Or do you have a tradition of writing nonsense without thinking?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

Seriously? Where and when were the exercises of Armenia with NATO? Or do you have a tradition of writing nonsense without thinking?

Unlike you, I think and read periodicals ....

In addition to the scandal with the arrest of Khachaturov, relations between our countries are overshadowed by some other decisions of the Armenian leadership. In particular, recently the NATO Noble Partner 2018 exercises began in Transcaucasia, and Armenia for the first time decided to take part in them..

https://topwar.ru/145157-armeniya-dreyfuet-v-nato.html

In 2004, at the NATO summit in Istanbul, it was decided to appoint a special representative of NATO in the Caucasus and Central Asia, who also began to “oversee” Armenia. In December 2005, Yerevan (as part of its activities in the EAPC) signed the Individual Partnership Action Plan (IPAP), on the basis of which further cooperation with the alliance is based. In the same year, a group of Armenian military personnel (out of 46) is sent to Iraq to fulfill (as part of the Polish division) the humanitarian tasks of the NATO mission to rebuild this country. The Armenian contingent stayed in Iraq until October 2008. In February 2010, Yerevan sent a group of 40 peacekeepers to Afghanistan. To improve relations with NATO, the National Assembly of Armenia ratified the agreement on May 11, 2011, to increase the Armenian peacekeeping contingent by three times (up to 130 people), as well as extending the term of their mission until December 31, 2012.

https://xn--80azep.xn--p1ai/ru/armenia.html

[tim.tim]

You yourself have a fundamental act of cooperation with NATO since 1997. So do not put a shadow on the fence. Noble Partner 2018 was held in Georgia. In addition to Armenia, 13 countries participated, including Azerbaijan. Something you Russian had no complaints against them.

So do not distort. You forgot something that Armenia transferred control on the border with Turkey and Iran. Is this not enough for you?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

Noble Partner 2018 was held in Georgia. In addition to Armenia, 13 countries participated, including Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijan is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, it does not receive B and W from the Russian Federation at preferential prices, and Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, does not have a security guarantee ....

You forgot something that Armenia transferred control on the border with Turkey and Iran. Is this not enough for you?

So Armenia needs it more ...

[tim.tim]

Azerbaijan also does not hold a Russian base, unlike Armenia. You seem to have developed sclerosis, you forgot something, as the Azerbaijanis kicked you in the ass from Gabala in 2012 with a kick in the ass.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

Azerbaijan also does not hold a Russian base, unlike Armenia. You seem to have developed sclerosis, you forgot something, as the Azerbaijanis kicked you in the ass from Gabala in 2012 with a kick in the ass.

Firstly, Azerbaijan is not a member of the CSTO. Secondly, the Russian Federation, having learned about the enthusiasm for the rental price, the radar station in Gabala sent Azerbaijan with this request absurdly. Third, at that time, the Russian Federation built a similar radar for the purpose, but the best in quality in the south of the Russian Federation ....

[tim.tim]

You just really do not want to admit the fact of a kick in the ass.

Secondly, the Russian Federation, having learned about the enthusiasm for the rental price, the radar station in Gabala sent Azerbaijan with this request absurdly.[B] [/ b]

Good mine for a bad game.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

You just really do not want to admit the fact of a kick in the ass.

In the 90s, they were recognized, enough ...
In this case, the budget of the Russian Federation saved money for renting waste rubbish ...

[tim.tim]

Do not get mad Signor Tomato, they say vitamins disappear from anger)

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tim.tim

Do not get mad Signor Tomato, they say vitamins disappear from anger)

Good nights .... do not insult or mislead the good and gullible members of the forum ...

[Cyril G ...]

Do not stupid SPRN stations can not be kept on foreign territory ..

[Senka naughty]

Quote: tim.tim

Seriously? Where and when were the exercises of Armenia with NATO? Or do you have a tradition of writing nonsense without thinking?

Maybe you with DTM already retire and cry about your sore? sing the anthem of Ukraine, let a tear go.

[tim.tim]

You better better keep the king's God. This is more relevant for you now. The king will rule you until the end of his years.

Also voted FOR?

[tatra]

EVERYTHING that they did, said and wrote were the "enemies" of the Bolshevik-Communists, both under Soviet power and after the seizure of the USSR republics by them, they proved that they were not worthy of the slightest freedom of speech and action, they should always be "overseers" with whips ",,.

[voyaka uh]

At UAZ attacked! Boldly...
Maybe they got lost?

[Cyril G ...]

Maybe just smoked ...

[Poetry]

This conflict is not 30 years old or even 100. But sniper-sabotage activity has not stopped since the last war. Sometimes we gather with friends at a large table, there are also Armenians with Azerbaijanis. None of them said a bad word to each other. But it is here. And there they would kill each other.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

And there they would kill each other

Propaganda is a terrible force. Leaders indulge their imperious ambitions, and someone is ready to die for it, after hearing the telly.

[Poetry]

Leaders are ready to wage war until the last Azerbaijani (Armenian).

[wmn5500]

Judging by this pearl:

Today, at 12.30, Azerbaijani forces, for reasons unknown to us, tried to violate the state border of Armenia in the direction of the Tavush region using an UAZ car.

Min. The defense of Armenia considers its people to be idiots! If only an armored personnel carrier or an infantry fighting vehicle would have written something! Or are they guided by the slogan "the more monstrous the lie, the sooner they will believe it"? In general, still those dreamers!

[Cyril G ...]

And such a thing smoked rubbish and went to take Yerevan, business then.

[wmn5500]

No, most likely the Armenian Ministry of Defense has smoked and composed nonsense! At the same time, they probably thought that everyone who reads it will also smoke and then read it.

[DTM]

Quote: lonely

Quote: DTM

What he promised fulfills !! You can continue to believe Solovyov and Kiselev !!

I'm still fine with my head

I did not say that you have something with your head!))

[123456789]

“Every nation deserves its fate”
Charles Louis Montesquieu from his work “The Spirit of Laws”

[Lara Croft]

Quote: 123456789

“Every nation deserves its fate”
Charles Louis Montesquieu from his work “The Spirit of Laws”

Empiricist, what to take from him ...

[Vadim237]

The Armenians chose their fate - to move and live in Russia.

[vladimirvn]

Well, why is it here? These guys would go and butt somewhere off to the side. I don’t care how many, who and when they banged them there.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: vladimirvn

I don’t care how many, who and when they banged them there

Then why are you here? Would you go side by side with this topic.

[vladimirvn]

What do you know about this topic? So I served there for 10 years. I have the right to my opinion.

[tralflot1832]

An Armenian worked for me in the installation team in and to. He served after the war. He talked about the fools with the Saoy and the other side. He spoke in detail about the fool from Armenia. Before the fool, they lived with the Azerbaijanis in vain. Ara sit in the trench I shoot I’ll understand it. Ara, you understand and understand. We throw out a month’s ammunition load, everyone is happy. And this one wanted a medal, shot and hit. Then they sent his muzzle to his rear and were afraid to raise his head from the trench for a month. This is from the same opera
In YAROSLAVL, Azerbaijanis and Armenians get along in markets like that!

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: tralflot1832

YAROSLAVLE

In Moscow the same picture

[sagitch]

One people, different religions ... Until the world comes to a single "creator", so it will be ...

[Senka naughty]

Quote: sagitch

One people, different religions ... Until the world comes to a single "creator", so it will be ...

In this world there is only one objective "creator" - money! And stronger than religion, no one else has invented. So until we get rid of all these "creators", no peace will shine for anyone.

[sagitch]

What are you minus, then? Everything is one, and the "Creator" is one !!!

[Volunteer]

I was born and lived in Baku for a long time and I know Baku and Lankaran well. Then it all happened, for many years in Europe and even more in the USA. Apart from Azerbaijanis, many Russians, Armenians and Jews lived in Baku. I’ll honestly say that when you meet here the representatives of the latter two, you will not hear anything from contempt to hatred of Russia. With Azerbaijanis it is better if they find out that they are land, although they almost forgot to speak Azerbaijani. But in Armenia, the locals even do not consider purebred Armenians who do not know their language to be their own. Ultra nationalists. But I hope there are exceptions, I hope

[lubesky]

This is in the best pirate tradition - to strike up a skirmish and in the midst of battle and turmoil - to leave, leaving the enemy in complete bewilderment ...

[Pavel57]

Quote: lubesky

I’m sure that if you had such an opportunity, in a hundred years you would have written that the conservation of the North Caucasus was Putin’s mistake ...

This is empty. In a hundred years we’ll see.

[Stavros]

The Baku press already writes about the three killed Azeri military and five wounded, and the Askar’s warriors fiercely deny the local grief.

[agoran]

And can he pass a law on the expulsion of all Armenians and aizers from the Russian Federation?
Well, what is the use of their presence?

[dik]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Before you carry your thoughts to the public, it would be nice if you could unlearn anew at school. Most European countries are republics. Russia is a federation. Does this tell you anything?

Tryndets. With such aplomob, to carry such nonsense .... And the most interesting is that NOBODY did not notice such an obvious blunder

For your information, Russia, like most countries of the world, is also a republic. It's like warm confused with soft

Russia is a republic in the form of government (there are still monarchies) and a federation in the form of government (there are still unitary states). It does not interfere.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: dik

For your information, Russia, like most countries of the world, is also a republic.

Federal state with a republican form of government.
The meaning of the statement does not change from this.
Russia has a federal structure, while most European countries have a unitary structure.
Decentralization is with us, not in Europe.

[CommanderDIVA]

This prolonged interethnic conflict can be solved only by the population distribution on a national basis and delimitation and the demarcation of the state border between countries, but for now it is beneficial for all involved to sell arms and military equipment to both sides, nothing personal only business

[svoit]

Quote: Volunteer

representatives of the latter two, so from disdain to hatred of Russia you will not hear anything

They hoped for Russia, and she betrayed them, for what to love? Also with the Little Russians, Russia gave them to Bandera, without a fight, just like that. Where will the love come from?

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: svoit

They hoped for Russia, and she betrayed them.

There are many of these on the forum. For example, Russia betrayed one, when the time came to serve (during the first Chechen war), and the "devotee" had to urgently get a job in the Israeli army, until something worked out.

[yfast]

Interestingly, what do both offer for a possible solution to the problem? Just kill the opposite side?

[Nikanet]

Yeah, the Azerbaijanis were driving an UAZ to take an Armenian post!))

[Cyril G ...]

yah. Take it steeper - To Belgrade ... Oh, sorry to Yerevan.

[Chever]

It is sad...

[Ros 56]

Until the brains of both parties begin to work in a positive and willing manner to resolve this issue peacefully, this machine will work on grinding human lives.

[fif21]

Of all the conflicts in the territory of the former USSR, only in Chechnya, and even after the second attempt, the Russian Federation managed to resolve the conflict. The rest have a sluggish form of Georgian - Ossetian, Transnistrian, Armenian-Azerbaijani, Ukrainian - LDNRovsky. It was the same in Afghanistan, and now in Syria. Probably need to change the methods of approach to their resolution.

[5-9]

Georgian-Ossetian just resolved .... In Tajikistan, the civil war was extinguished ....

[fif21]

Quote: 5-9

Georgian-Ossetian just decided ..

Georgia recognized Ossetia?

Quote: 5-9

In Tajikistan, the civil war was extinguished ..

I would not flatter myself on this score! Rather, they were driven into the "underground". Allah's wars are gaining combat experience in Afghanistan and Syria.

[Moskovit]

I have never seen a single Azerbaijani who said, yes, Karabakh is now Armenian. I also did not see an Armenian who would say that Karabakh could return to Azerbaijan. The leadership of both countries did not offer any real use case. Therefore, war is inevitable. It's a question of time.

[Andrew3000]

And on June 24th they walked together at the Victory Parade, as did the Chinese and the Indians !!!